Monday, May 26, 2014

Elliot Roger's Words

Unfortunately, the NY Post article did not give the full manifesto. 

The vile manifesto of a killer


NY 

He scripted it like a sick Hollywood movie, starring himself as the pathetically wronged victim who would exact revenge on those who spurned him.
Deranged, privileged California loser Elliot Rodger filled a 141-page manifesto with hate and loathing — for himself and his targets, from the most popular sorority girls to his annoying roommates — detailing everything from their tortured deaths to his own suicide.
“I am Elliot Rodger . . . Magnificent, glorious, supreme, eminent . . . Divine! I am the closest thing there is to a living god,’’ the 22-year-old college student, son of a “Hunger Games” assistant director, boasted.
“Humanity is a disgusting, depraved and evil species. It is my purpose to punish them all. On the day of Retribution, I will truly be a powerful god, punishing everyone I deem to be impure.
“This is the story of my entire life. It is a dark story of sadness, anger, and hatred. It is a story of a war against cruel injustice . . . I didn’t want things to turn out this way, but humanity forced my hand.’
The demented document reveals the troubled mind of the self-described social outcast who killed six and wounded 13 in a seething weekend revenge-for-rejection rampage in Santa Barbara.
The killing spree ended with Rodger — who grew up seemingly wanting for nothing — taking his own life with one of his three guns.
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Two students place flowers at a make-shift memorial set up outside the Alpha Phi sorority where two women died during the deadly shooting rampage.Photo: EPA
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Police investigate the scene of a drive-by shooting that left seven people dead, including the attacker, and others wounded on Friday.Photo: AP
Throughout his rants, he seethes that despite his wealth and relative good looks, he was still a virgin, unable to get a woman into bed despite many attempts while other, lesser guys got the gals. Because of that, “Women should not have the right to choose who to mate and breed with,’’ he fumed in the tome. “That decision should made for them by rational men of intelligence. If women continue to have rights, they will only hinder the advancement of the human race by breeding with degenerate men and creating stupid, degenerate offspring.
“Women are like a plague,’’ Rodger wrote. “They don’t deserve to have any rights . . . Women are vicious, evil, barbaric animals, and they need to be treated as such.
“In an ideal world, sexuality . . . must be outlawed. In a world without sex, humanity will be pure and civilized. Men will grow up healthily, without having to worry about such a barbaric act. . . . In order to completely abolish sex, women themselves would have to be abolished.
“In order to carry this out, there must exist a new and powerful type of government, under the control of one divine ruler, such as myself.’’
Among those Rodger killed were at least two male roommates and a third man whom he stabbed to death in his Santa Barbara apartment.
Authorities identified them Sunday as Cheng Yuan Hong, 20, of San Jose, 19-year-old George Chen, also of San Jose, and 20-year-old Weihan Wang, of Fremont. All three were students at the University of California at Santa Barbara, where Rodger also studied and carried out part of his bloodbath.
Two sorority sisters and a male student at a deli were shot dead by Rodger.

76 comments:

john said...

Five revelations from the 'twisted world' of a 'kissless virgin'

Editor's note: Readers of the following article should be advised that portions of Elliot Rodger's document can be disturbing.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/25/justice/california-shooting-revelations/index.html?sr=fb052614kisslessvirgin1130aVODtopLink

Me said...

I think he was a homosexual.He probably couldn't face upto it,and "blamed"women.

Anonymous said...

I think he was likely mentally ill. He's the prime age for schizophrenia and paranoid delusions. I know my opinion isn't popular, but I think there was much more to this than an entitled loser but that doesn't mean I agree with what he did either. I feel horrid for the victims and their families and for his family who tried to get him help. There is a movie out that depicts what the family of the shooter goes through after something like this. It's titled Beautiful Boy. I would suggest everyone watch it.

Me said...

"Likely mentally ill"???? Ffs "columbo"is in the house :)

Anonymous said...

Watching his last video, the one where he is in the car in the setting sunlight, it was quickly obvious to me he was possessed. Not homosexual, not mentally ill, not schizophrenic, not paranoid, just owned and controlled by a fallen angel.

deejay said...

I think most women have a sixth sense when someone desperate and deranged talks to them. Normal looks won't cover up crazy... The girls run.

Anonymous said...

Well there was obviously a screw loose somewhere in his head. And the girls he approached would have sensed that too. A vicious cycle.

In the two videos I've seen of him he comes across as a very disturbed and frustrated person. I cannot understand how his environment/family have not noticed this earlier and taken action. He was obviously in need of a lot of psychiatric help.

Anonymous said...

a lot of people are saying they think he was gay and it was in actuality the pain of not having men be attracted to him that hurt him so much. I can see this is likely. but to me --- he seems so have had so much going on to say one thing is the explanation doesn't really work, but I would agree it looks like denial of his own homosexuality may have been a factor, but I don't know If I can assess that difinitvely. It takes all kinds. One thing I can say for sure --- he's such a Brett Easton Ellis Character. that's about the only thing I can say with certainly.

Anonymous said...

too much money not enough love makes Elliot Rogers a super villain.

Anonymous said...

can you tell within the statement if he is telling the truth about being attracted to women? he does repeat it so much it seems like a sensitive/lie thing. if I wanted to say -- no boys are into me right now. I would just say it, I would not open with - I'm attraced to males but they aren't attracted to me. the first part should be such a given ther'es no need to mention. I think the fact that he keeps saying "I'm attracted to them." suggests that part might actually not be true

john said...

Nonverbal Communication Analysis No. 2828: Elliot Roger, Isla Vista/U.C. Santa Barbara Mass Shooting & Threat Assessment - Body Language and Threat Assessment (VIDEO, PHOTO)



http://www.bodylanguagesuccess.com/2014/05/nonverbal-communication-analysis-no_25.html

jenny StMaire said...

(Thanks for the link john.)

I was left with the overwhelming impression that he was very sick.

Skeptical said...

I don't know if this falls under paradox, irony, or unfortunate coincidence, but I am struck by the resemblance of Eliot Rodger to Butch Patrick in his role as Eddie Munster.

Anonymous said...

I'm convinced this was a staged event with no deaths. The whole thing is a psy-op and faked.

SKEoD said...

did you notice the ones he killed up close and personal were males, the females he killed were drive by random. uhm yeh, i think that shows who he was actually butthurt by.

GeekRad said...

Anon at 2:39, his parents recognized that he was troubled. He was seeing a therapist and his mother called police to do a welfare check on him after seeing one of his posts that disturbed her. At the time he was committing these murders his parents were on the way to Santa Barbara after seeing his last youtube video which he sent to his parents and his therapist.

Anonymous said...

off topic: Can someone tell me if this is a reliable denial. This is from a message left on my answering machine. The individual repeats multiple times "you accused me of stealing (item from my home)" and is angry about it. (I actually didnt accuse him of stealing the item. I said "It is weird (the item) is missing." Although I did suspect him. ) He became upset feeling by me saying it is weird item is missing that he was being accused. The only sentence on the answering machine containing a denial is "YOU created the drama! You accused me of stealing your f&cking (item) when you know damn well I didn't!" Is this reliable?? Thanks in advance.

GeekRad said...

The facts in my earlier post were not accurate (thanks to early news reporting without the facts). Here is a link regarding his family knowing he was troubled and taking action.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/27/elliot-rodgers-family-tried-to-intervene-before-deadly-rampage/

Anonymous said...

It is disturbing but also telling how Rodgers' pretty much starts out his rant with the following: “Humanity is a disgusting, depraved and evil species. It is my purpose to punish them all. On the day of Retribution, I will truly be a powerful god, punishing everyone I deem to be impure."
Was his statement about "humanity (being) disgusting, depraved and evil" sour grapes that he wasn't able to get a woman to sleep with him or was he in fact projecting onto "humanity" what is oftentmes said by people who condemn homosexuality, and perhaps he had internalized feeling "disgusting, depraved and evil" because he was gay. The rest of the rant does seem viciously woman-hating.
Notice though, he writes that he wants to be a powerful god and "punish everyone he deems to be impure". Does this sentence betray that he felt "deemed" as "impure" because he was gay or is it just sour grapes because he was mad other people have sex and he didn't???

Jen Ow said...

Hi anon 11:50-

In short no, it's not a reliable denial.

I find it strange that he would translate your mention of 'it's weird my item is missing', into an accusation that he stole the item. It sounds like he has a guilty conscience. He also tried to divert the blame for 'the drama' onto you, and declared that YOU know he didn't take it, which is untrue.

(He can't know what you 'know', and you DID suspect he may have taken the item. His declaration seems like a manipulative way to make you doubt your instincts, and lead you to believe he is denying the theft when he has not said that he didn't take it.)

You should ask him outright, "Did you take my (item)", and make note of every word he says after/other than, NO. Also note minimizing/distancing and reflective language in his response.

Aside from SA, I say trust your instincts. If you feel he likely took it, and he can't bring himself to deny it, then don't fill in the blanks for him. He wants you to feel guilty and doubt yourself so that he gets off the hook easy.

Anonymous said...

to Anon,
Definitly not a reliable denial. I think you may be correct in that he took it.

dadgum said...

Thanks for the link, John..it's no wonder why women ran the opposite direction..
http://www.independent.com/news/2014/may/24/isla-vista-shooting-echoes-david-attias/

trustmeigetit said...

Madeleine McCann private eye breaks his silence on the hunt in a new Channel 5 documentary

THE private investigator behind the 2008 operation to find Madeleine McCann will speak for the first time about his search for the youngster.

By: John ChapmanPublished: Tue, May 27, 2014

The new documentary will air next week on Channel 5[PA]

Kevin Halligen will break his silence in an exclusive Channel 5 interview for a documentary, The McCanns And The Conman.



The 53-year-old set up Operation Omega after being commissioned by parents Kate and Gerry McCann to find Maddy, who vanished at the age of three while on holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.



Halligan, a Surrey-based Irishman, promised to use his MI5, MI6 and CIA “contacts” to try to track down the girl.



The security consultant signed a six-figure contract – but questions were later raised over exactly how the money was spent.



Now Halligen, who also claimed to have FBI and White House connections, has agreed to tell his side of the story.



This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims, and how he fooled the intelligence community



Emma Westcott, of Channel 5

The documentary, due to be screened next week, reads like the plot of a spy movie.



It is an extraordinary tale of covert surveillance, sting operations and the bugging of a key witness through the twists and turns of the hunt for a man who was then a prime suspect, code-named “George”.



Halligen’s final report is said to contain significant leads that now form part of the current Scotland Yard investigation, including the crucial e-fits based on the so-called “Smith sighting”, which was aired on Crimewatch last October.



But it transpired that Halligen was an audacious conman, who led people into believing he was a spy.



He was arrested in 2009 and jailed in the US for defrauding an unrelated client on a previous kidnap and ransom case.



He has recently been released from prison.



Channel 5’s Emma Westcott said: “This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims, and how he fooled the intelligence community

Anonymous said...

If u said to me"it's wierd it's missing"I'd shove your ornament up Ur fcukin anus.U suspicious bastard.

Anonymous said...

Stop leaving




Big gaps



It's annoyin












G.

Anonymous said...

lots of girls love crazy. i think he was misdirecting his feeling of rejection. from boys.

Anonymous said...

"From boys"? Ewwww wierd comment.

Suzanne said...


If he really did like girls, he should have lowered his standards a bit. There are lots of girls who are not super-models who would have loved to have a good-looking, rich boyfriend. What about trying E-Harmony or Match.com? Sounds to me like he was very superficial. A guy with no depth who saw women as objects. (your basic douchebag).

Hobnob said...

I Look at him and his words and i still think he had issues with his sexuality.

People especially girls picked up on this and decided he was not for them, at least not as boyfriend material.

Cioming over as weird, demanding, petulant ,spoiled, self pitying only drives people away, he was making a rod for his own back>

Like in so many cases it is and was everyone else.s fault,

Was he given a pampered lifestyle where no one ever said no and when he got to school and was told no he had a major tantrum?
no one can tell him no, it is his way or the highway.

It is clear he had mental issues if he was having therapy, i wonder if thopse issues are to do with who he was, who who wanted to be.

JenC said...

2 words: Entitlement Mentality.
It's rampant in our culture, as is over sexualization of EVERYTHING. That guy was one sick puppy. Aspergers can make you socially awkward, but not psychotic. Aspergers is neurological, not mental. That guy had some serious mental problems that may have been exacerbated by Aspergers, but it's not Aspergers alone. He whines about "fairness," which is a direct product of our society shoving "fairness" down our throats. Guess what? Life isn't fair. Best for kids to get used to it. His particular brand of psycho focused on sex, and society is partially culpable for that. But if our culture wasn't saturated with sex, he likely would have just had another obsession that turned deadly. No SA here. Just commenting on what nobody seems to say. It's not just mental health, guns, or knives. I blame a lot of his mindset on the entitlement mentality in our country.

Anonymous said...

Anon at May 27, 2014 at 2:39 AM,
the family did actually. He was in therapy and they had even notified law enforcement.

Anonymous said...

Anon at May 27, 2014 at 2:39 AM,
the family did actually. He was in therapy and they had even notified law enforcement.

Anonymous said...

The majority of men at the event had a date with them, and I felt so pathetic for not having a date. If only a girl at my collage had been attracted to me; I would have gladly brought her to the premiere as my date.

Odd how he blames the women for not being attracted to him. As if he would not be gay if only women had shown interest in him.

Anonymous said...

he talks so much avout attraction. people can take each other as dates even when there is not attraction. especially when it's just something you realy wanna bring a date to -- you just ask somebody and offer to show them a nice time.

me said...

It's refreshing!!! To see someone just"speak"on here like that!!! :)

Anonymous said...

Hi Jen, Thank you, and I agree with everything you wrote. I will pose the question to him "Did you steal (item)?" just to see what he says. There is one other person who could have possibly taken it, so that is where my curiosity was. However he did say that I "hid it on myself" which is pretty incriminating towards him. It also disheartens me that he would steal from me even though this was not a valuable item. He has been acting strange though for about 6 mos and I have been with him for 10 yrs although we dont live together. He starts arguments with me every Sat evening around 5 or 6 pm, makes me so upset I don't want him around for 3, sometimes 4 days. Yet he is not cheating, since he just goes to his house and will argue with me over the phone about these stupid arguments he starts every Sat evening and he is not on drugs, there is no sign of it, no indicators and he doesn't drink. Yet every Sat evening he goes out of his way to start an argument and will be very nasty. I asked his mother who said "he must be on drugs", that's why he starts arguments every Sat at 5 or 6 pm. Yet, he isn't. There is just no sign of it. It is literally so maddening to have someone start arguments almost every week on Sat at exactly 5-6 pm for 6 mos that I literally WISH he was having an affair so I could say "Oh, OK, I get it now" and walk away. I am going to dump him anyway, he's just had me in a spiral of confusion for 6 mos. I was very surprised he stole anything from me as he has never done that before. I very much appreciate you analyzing his statements.

Anonymous said...

It was an ugly rich"Poof".It's better off gone.

Rose said...

BTW, to all you talking about how girls "rejected" him, keep in mind that in his manifesto he talks about how he had only ever approached one girl in his entire life. Women were not rejecting him - he never gave them the opportunity to. No, women were supposed to recognize all on their own that he was a living god and they were supposed to approach him. For all this guy knew, a hot, tall blonde would have happily gone out on a date with him.

Anonymous said...

Maybe he felt like his not having a date at the event made everyone there know he was gay. I hate to say it, but asperger's is not always the great thing people make it out to be. There are different degrees of it, but those who have severe asperger's don't have empathy for others. My son had a friend with severe aspergers when he was younger, he came to his b-day party, all the kids were playing with nerf guns, he accidentally shot one of the nerf pellets so that it hit another kid's eye. The kid's eye ended up being fine, but he was in pain and his eye was red. The kid with aspergers showed NO empathy. He said "It's OK. He'll be fine." It's very sad, because they are not bad people, some are very smart but some do not seem to have much if any empathy. Combine that with social rejection, isolation etc and it explains a lot.

Anonymous said...

Turds who "suffer"from"aspurgers"don't SUFFER anything.They drift through life without a care...in...the world!!! Call it"evilness".

me said...

wise words

Anonymous said...

Aspergurs is an excuse.Don't decent the evil,crafty "sufferers"nasty people,hid in behind a p.c. title.

Anonymous said...

Aspergers does often go hand in hand with mental illness. Aspergers people oftentimes feel like they are aliens, everyone else is speaking a language they don't understand (empathy, social cues, friendship, etc). This opens up the gateway to mental illness. They are neurologically not able to understand social cues in order to understand reciprocity, friendship, etc so many start to feel there is something VERY bad about them, this explains to them why others avoid them both male and female. This kind of thinking then opens up the gsteway of grandiosity, vaccilating between believing they themselves are very bad, sometimes thinking they are vety bad alternating with feeling they are very bad/very good (grandiose), they are superior to others etc. Some become schizophrenic because of this feeling of others are avoiding them and not understanding why (they cannot have a lot if insight into this neurological problem that makes them not understand social interaction snd why people avoid them) and why they are being avoided. This opens the gatewsy to paranoia, thinking things such as they must have done something terrible, maybe CIA is following them (schizophrenic thinking), the person laughing at them is working for the CIA, etc. I have seen this happen to someone who I believe does have aspergers. Oh also, aspergers opens the gates to personality disorder especially narcissistic PD. As much as people say aspergers is wonderful, it actually is not. It is actually pretty tragic for thevperson who has it and sometimes also it has tragic results although I do believe the person is responsible for their actions.

trustmeigetit said...





Curious if any of you more experienced SA peeps would like to analyze. I figured I would leave out the details of the case (for now anyways) just cause it was a really odd case that I can not make sense of or determine what I think. I usually have a strong opinion once I hear everything but in this case, I just don’t know.

I am limited to clips that were on a show about the case vs full transcripts. So I just typed up the parts that I was able to listen too.

POLICE TRANSCRIPT:

Steve: I would be happy to give DNA. I wasn’t there. So, I assume that would be good for me.

LE: That is true. If it is like you say, then once we do our, our… my work and

Steve: Im just – I am cold and tired……

Break in video…Not sure what was asked or said before Steves next comment

Steve: I don’t know what looking suspicious looks like. I don’t, I didn’t mean to ask. Just tired.

LE: No, and like, heres the whole thing with it. There’s a certain, suit—certain things in – whats going on. Just like I said, weve got a suspicious death and – and – right now we don’t have any other person.

Steve: And you’re suspecting me?

LE: Well, we have no other person right now

Another break… They are then talking about the trail. Steve was on a trail and admits this about a mile from where his ex wife was murdered.

LE: The proximity of where the trail is, where you’re riding

Steve: Wish I’d chosen a different trail

LE: I wish you had chosen a different trail also. Um, because – and heres things – right now

Steve: Of course, if I had don’t it, I probably…. Wouldn’t have chosen to be right there near that – the scene of what sounds like maybe a crime







ADDRESSING COURT:

I did not kill Carol.

We loved each other for more than 20 years.

Our marriage was over but… not our affection for each other

I would no more have harmed her, than I would my daughters by taking her from them

Hobnob said...

Hi anon, it almost sounds as if he is creating a situation so he doesn't have to be with you on weekends.

This then leads me to wonder, if it is every saturday at approximately the same time, there is a reason for it and this leads me down the path of is he seeing someone else?

What does he do on his weekends if he isn't with you?

The cynic in me makes me think he wants to end the relationship but doesn't want to be the one to say the words so he provokes you by his words and actions hoping you will do the deed instead, he then can take the high ground/play the victim etc.

Personally, i would ask him what he wants and expects from the relationship, if he thinks it has reached its end.

If he is stealing from you as well, why is he doing it?
Is it drug related or alcohol related?
if it is jewellry is he giving it to another (especially if he bought it)

It seems a long time you have been togeather yet you still live apart, i would have thought after this length of time there would be more committment in the relationship, as it stands, in my eyes it seems to be driftig along going nowhere fast.

You make no mention of children, are there any from your relationship with him?
I know this is personal and you don't have to answer, is it due to age, older children, by choice and if so, whose choice?

From your words i feel the relationship has gone its course, it is time to talk and see what you both want from this relationship.
Whether it is worth fighting for or whether it is time to call it a day.

The stealing is a huge issue, it means there is no trust between you, especially if he doesn't make a strong reliable denial, i did not steal xxx/i did not take xxx.

As we both know if he can't make a reliable denial, we can't do it for him.

I hope things work out for you, we are here if you want to talk, cry, vent or whatever. Hugs you tight xx

Anonymous said...

Hobnob,
Thanks for your advice. He is creating a situation the past 6 mos. where he doesn't have to be with me (and our son, yes we do have a son 10 yrs old and that's part of why I have probably very stupidly stayed with him) on Sun, Mon, Tues and sometimes Wed. He used to spend everyday with us. He became very nasty doing this 6 mos ago. I get so upset and then he apologizes, sucks me back in, acts like the greatest guy inthe world. This past week he acted like Mr Kind, Mr Wonderful until Sat night he turned on a dime, suddenly, became psycho, said all kinds of psycho stuff on the phone after he left, saying really vicious things to me.
We did live together for 4 yrs but I moved out with my son and I did not have much of a support system, was young, in my mid-twenties, and so after a year and a half, we did get back together but we did not move back in together. He has become completely awful the past 6 mos. In the past 6 mos he is claiming again he wanted us to live with him and called me a terrible name bc we dont live with him but the one night we tried to stay over at his house recently because he asked us to he flipped out about his car once he had driven us there, spazzing out because a light went on in his car, car was driving fine yelling that we needed to leave but he wouldnt drive us.
My son said to me today calmly " I don't care if Dad ever comes here again". Because he knew that I felt sad his Dad had pulled this Sat night crap right before a special event my son had on Memorial Day that he was supposed to attend (he didnt) as well as also he is now making us think he is not coming to my son's birthday party or his graduation ceremony from his school. He recently also did the Sat night flip out when my son was camping with the Scouts, he was supposed to pick him up from the drop off location the next day and he just didnt show up! It wasnt a huge deal, it wasnt far, my son called me and I went and got him.
You are absolutely right that he does refuse to make any commitment while always leading me to think it was me preventing it. I have looked for evidence of cheating, looked for anything, phone numbers, odd charges on credit card statements, anything, anything, to explain his behavior,but there is nothing. As far as I know, when he is shunning us he is just in his house with his cat although I guess there is no way I can be totally sure. At this point, this strange viciousness, push-pull, shunning, the fact that I realize that all this time all these years he never made any real commitment but all the time was making me think it was me not commiting and he wanted one so bad but then he goes nuts one time we were going to stay over in a blizzard, just spazzes. My head is tied into so many knots by him all these years. I wonder if he is gay. I have just never seen or heard of a guy acting like him. I am embarrassed to even share this story as I feel like a total failure and an idiot, and yes a fool.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but this dude's manifesto gave me cause to laugh out loud! Sounds like the ideology of many in my own area, though they may not go to such extremes as this guy.

“In order to carry this out, there must exist a new and powerful type of government, under the control of one divine ruler, such as myself.’

Anyone found writing a manifesto of any type should quickly be examined. jmho However, it's his honesty-'such as myself'-that brings the giggles on.

Why is it the offspring of TV/media people are the ones doing the dirty deeds on behalf of society?

The guy in Colorado that chopped up that little girl! Townsend viewing child porn to write a book! An FBI agent trading porn who himself put everyone in jeopardy via media! Rosanne Barr wanting to lynch a guy in another state that gets press.

Good looking kid...just like the batman shooter. So, so sad!

Aspergers may be the new diagnosis for neglected and not properly socialized.There are many smart people that do not fit in;they don't go on a rampage, though.

The Sandy Hook shooter exhibited outward appearances of something amiss inside. This is a really cute guy with a nice car and lots of money. What gives?


~mj said...

Who says aspergers is wonderful to have? My daughter has been diagnosed aspergers and during our journey of understanding the disorder I have never heard anyone claim that the disorder is wonderful. While I understand the point behind mistreatment of the disorder can open the doorway to other issues in dealing with life, I have serious doubts that mistrestment of aspergers can be linked to the development of schizophrenia.

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:33,

I don't totally get it either. He was good-looking, nice car, money, he could have just walked into a bar, bought some ladies some drinks he would have gotten attention with the money and the car and he wasn't bad-looking. His manifesto sounds incredibly emotionally immature "a powerful god such as myself": this sounds like a 7 or 8 yr old talking.
The guy probably had asperger's, if he had no friends which would not necessarily be the case just bc he had aspergers, he may have just been too isolated to understand he could go out, have fun, flirt with women and get attention. He seems like he had some kind of serious complex going on which I am not sure I understand.

Anonymous said...

The full manifesto is now posted here:

http://heavy.com/news/2014/05/monette-moio-ellio-rodger-girlfriend/

john said...
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john said...

Hi Anon, regarding his disappearing act at weekends.

If you are going to ask him questions about what he is getting up to at weekends, try not to use "Yes/No" questions, they are less stressful easier to lie about. If you do, as Jen said, note every word after he says "Yes/No". Truthful people do not need to go beyond the boundary of the question.

Ask him open ended questions. Ie, "so tell me about your weekend" etc. Note where he begins( look out for Temporal Lacunae, skipping of time) and what words he uses uses. Do not ask him compound questions also.

Compound questions will allow him to pick and choose which question to answer, squandering the opportunity for valuable information.

I hope things work out for you.

rob said...

I heard on the morning news, that his father, step-mother and their 6 yr old son lived ina multi-million dollar house & that she would not allow him to live with them. Whats up with that? Anyone else heard it? Had he already fruited out on her, and she's scared of him?

john said...
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john said...

OT Update.

Susan Powell's Parents Search For Clues In Father-In-Law's Former Home (EXCLUSIVE)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/susan-powell-missing-clues_n_5398147.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000021


Susan Powell's Parents Plan Cadaver Dog Search Of Father-In-Law's Former Home

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/20/susan-cox-powell-search_n_5359647.html

GeekRad said...

Thanks for the link to the full manifesto anon. This was a truely twisted individual. Rob, there were times he was not allowed at his father's house because he wouldn't follow the rules. And he went in without knocking once when he wasn't expected which upset his stepmother. He shared his time between his parents homes. He writes of it in his manifesto.
He wasn't always not allowed to live there, just after incidents.

GeekRad said...

Elliot's parent's did not have lots of money. His father had money from time to time but went broke when he invested his a movie he directed. His mother worked in a $40,000 a year job and for much of Elliot's life they lived in an apartment and condo, leased houses. Elliot's parents had wealthy friends and he grew up seeing it. He wasn't affluent, he had affluent envy. He rants about asking his mom to marry the wealthy men she dated so he could live in a wealthy family. That was one sick kid, and according to a family friend he underwent therapy from the time he was a child.

Hobnob said...

Hi Anon, You are not a total failure nor an idiot or a fool.

You have stayed with this an for 10 years, even having a son with him.
This doesn't speak of foolishness nor failure, you have, it seems tried long and hard to make something of this relationship, if not for yourself, then for your son.

It is clear that something is amiss, not with your but with your partner, and i use the term loosely.

He seems intent on driving you away and if it is the last 8 months that a pattern has arisen, what changed 6 months ago?

If he is working is there something changed at work?
Stress or worry can drive people to turn from nice to nasty.

If it is a specific day and time, it seems to me he wants you away from him or him away from you which speaks of having something else arranged which, it must be considrered, someone else.

Moving in with someone is a huge deal, it means lots of give and take on both sides as separate households become one and routines etc need adjusting to accommodate all.

has he been in any long term relationships before and if so do you know how or why they ended?
It could be he is a committmentphobe, he wants the fun but not the responsibility and if he feels things are becoming too seroius he stresses and wants to run.

I would suggest you both have a serious talk, bring up the missing stuff but don't say the word steal even if you think he did, use neutral non threating words like take or borrow, if he gets all defensive and aggressive (shouting etc) and doesn't make a strong reliable denial ( I did not/didn't take/borrow.use the relevant item, then it is likely he did.

It may not be valuable or even sentimental, the fact that he took it and lied about it is not good, what else then is he lying about?

His being gay is one of many possibilities, there are many men who do the normal get married have kids etc whilst secretly being gay/bi/transgender/transsexual etc.
Eventually the stress of living what, in effect, is a double life leads to breakdowns both in marriage and health.

Some couple divorce, others come to an agreement, whatever works for them.
Some stay married and live celibate lives or meet someone for occassional favors, all very discreet.
Others say ok in the house you can be who you want to be , outside you are still my husband/wife.
Others happily live togeather still married with one living their new chosen sexual orientation/gender, every couple deals with it differently and what works for them

Either way, this situation cannot continue the way it is , your son is in the middle of this and his needs should and must be your priority.

He is old enough to understand something isn't right and he has said he doesn't mind if dad doesn't come there again.

It is hard when relationships end, it is painful for all concerned regardless of the whys and wherefores.
There is always the could i have done something different/if i change will it help thoughts.
In cases like this it seems nothing you have done or can do will make any difference.
He even has you wondering if it is your fault when it isn't.

You may have decided to call it a day, which since you are living apart won't be as difficult as if you were living in the same house, you don't have the worry of finding somewhere to live and stuff.

If you do decide to walk away, if there was anything you had togeather such as bank accounts, bills etc then remember to notify them of the changes etc, you will also need to sort out his child support payments and visitation rights if he decides he want to see his sone or even if your son wants to see him.
For that you would need to see an attorney.

You may also be able to find support groups of people who have gone or are going through similar situations, they can advise on thwe whats and where's plus they offer a shoulder to cry on, group hugs and a listening and understanding ear.


Good luck with whatever you decide

Hugs you tight xx

Anonymous said...

To anonymous dealing with the bad relationship. He sounds NPD to me. Don't blame yourself for being sucked back in. It's all too common. The good news is you can recover. So can your son. He can't. There's a high probability you project your morality and goodness into him at the same time he projects his bad stuff on to you. They tend to be attracted to good people with fluid boundaries. Google NPD. There's a ton of helpful sites and YouTube has great support videos as well.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Hobnob and anon for the helpful advice. There is something very amiss with him as a person. He is extremely self-centered and puts me into endless catch-22s where nothing I do is right. I actually just got off the phone with him and he was very verbally abusive. I am finally sick of it. I think he does have NPD or borderline or even paranoid personality as one time he though a restaurant we would regularly go to had subtly "changed" and was trying to fool him by having an imposter menu and imposter owners yet he is rational most of the time. Thanks for listening. I think he has been really playing mind games with me with the stealing incident and other things. I will google NPD. There is something wrong with him psychologically. I really would like someone without so many issues and without the nasty streak and head games. Thanks for listening and for great advice. Sorry to take up space on here cause I know this was very off topic.

OldPsychNurse said...

Indoctrinating children with the religion of "me, me, me; it's all about me" is lethal. Demonstrate for all children through your words and behaviors how to care for others. Show children that happiness is found by serving and caring for others, not oneself.

OldPsychNurse said...

Stop calling EVIL a mental illness.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/11/420679/-Stop-Calling-EVIL-a-Mental-Illness

Hobnob said...

You are welcome Anon, it's what friends are for , plus, it gives us something to practice with :)

Hobnob said...

off topic


The parents of missing mother Susan Powell are searching her father-in-law's former home in the hope that it will give some clues to her whereabouts.

Chuck and Judy Cox went into convicted 'peeping Tom' Steven Powell's Washington home over the weekend, where they unearthed a box containing computer-coding files, among other, more personal items that belonged to their grandchildren, who were killed by their father in February 2012.

The Coxes now hope that the coding files might contain information that could help the FBI reach information on a heavily-encrypted computer that was owned by Susan's husband, Josh Powell.

They say they are not sure if her body could be found at the home, but they are bringing in cadaver dogs for the first time to check.

'I don't know if we'll find her here or not, but I know I have to continue the search, and this house has never been searched by dogs,' Chuck Cox said.

The couple and other helpers, including the authors of a book about the case, have also discovered other more personal items, including a beloved children's book, items of clothing and bicycle helmets.

'It is sickening to see so many reminders of Susan and her boys left behind by Steven Powell's family,' author Gregg Olsen told The Huffington Post.

'To the Powells, those things appear to be nothing more than junk. It indicates just how much they really cared about the boys and their mother.'

The family, who have been demanding answers since Susan vanished in 2009, will continue to search the home with help from volunteers over the coming weeks.

Steven Powell's home was recently sold as part of restitution to the parents of the girls he took naked pictures of while they were in their bathroom next door.

Law enforcement found the sordid photographs of the little girls, aged eight and 10, while looking for evidence of his missing daughter-in-law.

He was released from prison in March after serving two years for taking photographs of two girls, aged eight and ten in 2011.

Powell is on probation for 30 months, required to wear a GPS locator and attend a sex-offender treatment program. He lives in Tacoma, according to the corrections facility.
The two girls victimized by Powell were awarded a $1.8million settlement as part of a civil suit.

During Powell's voyeurism trial, the girls' parents became friends with Chuck and Judy Cox and, after they were given the home, they agreed to allow a private search of the home with dogs.

Anne Bremner, the neighbors' lawyer, told MailOnline: 'Chuck is never giving up hope.'

She added that the family do not know whether Mrs Cox Powell is alive or dead.

It appears that cadaver dogs were not used to search the home at the time because they were not covered by warrants obtained by West Valley Police and Pierce County Sheriff's Department to go into Powell's property, Ms Bremner said.


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Hobnob said...

'They didn't have the access we have now, they only had narrowly tailored warrants,' the attorney explained.

The mother-of-two Susan Powell, 28, disappeared from her home in West Valley City in December 2009. She has never been found.

Josh has claimed that his wife was at home when he took his sons, Charlie and Braden, on a winter camping trip in Utah's West Desert.

The Cox family claims that Steven Powell has information about his missing daughter-in-law. It was suspected that she was killed by her husband Josh Powell but he never faced charges in the case.

In 2012, he attempted to murder his sons, Charles, seven, and five-year-old Braden with a hatchet before setting his home alight, killing them and himself.

In a new book, 'If I Can’t Have You: Susan Powell, Her Mysterious Disappearance, and the Murder of Her Children', friends claimed Josh Powell poisoned his wife before she vanished, kept food from their sons and even sexually abused the young boys.

Two weeks ago, cadaver dogs were used in a privately-funded and volunteer-based search of a rural home close to Salem, Oregon for signs of Susan Cox Powell.

Her husband's aunt and uncle had been renting the property at the time of her disappearance in 2009. No signs of Susan's remains were found.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2641854/Susan-Powells-parents-search-father-laws-former-home-clues-disappearance.html

Anonymous said...

I know many homosexual men as friends and colleagues that like and respect women. The anger and disgust the murderer had is more `I'll punish other degenerate men for having what I want and the women for not choosing me`

john said...

OT Update.

Zenya hopes Abby is still alive.

http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news/113344-zenya-hopes-abby-is-still-alive

Abigail Hernandez's mother releases new photos.

http://www.wcsh6.com/story/news/local/2014/05/27/abigail-hernandezs-mother-releases-new-photos/9632899/

SS said...

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Anonymous said...
I'm convinced this was a staged event with no deaths. The whole thing is a psy-op and faked.

May 27, 2014 at 7:48 AM

A definite possibility given recent events like SH-and given the clear psyop agenda immediately afterwards.

Also there is MK Ultra.

Peter Hyatt said...

What if the mental illness came about as a result of evil behavior?

I can think of the damage done to the brain by early childhood sex abuse as an example.

Peter

Anonymous said...

I agree with that Peter. Good point! I believe many times mental illness is triggered by chronic evil treatment of an individual especially by, but not limited to, the family of origin. Mild depression is one thing, but I am talking about more severe mental illness.
More severe mental illness is many times not brought about by a nurturing loving environment that's for sure!

wreyeter72 said...

I'm saddened that the new "answer-for-everything" word is Asperger's. My 11-year-old is an Aspie, he is NOT psychotic, he is NOT dangerous, and he never will be. He loves, he cares, but he definitely doesn't show it well most of the time. This new trend to say all violent killers have Asperger's is not good at all - what happens when my son reads someone saying this? What happens is he begins to wonder if he is "evil" too. He already worries too much that he is "different" - he shouldn't have to grow up thinking he's "evil." You all need to stop diagnosing these creeps unless you are their personal psychiatrist. And you need to read up on Asperger's too.

Anonymous said...

These saying it was a "staged event"are insane.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 11 pm,

I don't believe a lot of these killers actually have aspergers like frequently said in the media or if they do, it is compounded by much more severe mental disorders that have been very poorly treated.
In fact this discussion here made me curious yesterday and I did some googling. A guy named Sam Vaknin who is an expert on narcissism who has many postings on the internet, he is a somewhat controversial figure because he claims to have narcissistic personality disorder while also being an expert on it, but I will tell you he is highly intelligent and anything I have ever read him say about any psychological disorder is spot on. Anyway, someone had asked him about Elliot Rodgers asking did Elliot really have aspergers? Sam Vaknin directed the question asker to a video link where he talks about mass shooters and referred the individual to watch it in regards to elliot. In this video he says these mass shooters have "schizoid" personality disorder which is totally separate from aspergers. It is a discrete mental disorder. It is not aspergers. He also discusses other factors that contribute to these individuals becoming mass shooters. He specifically refers the questioner to this answer in regards to Elliot.
Please do not feel bad about your child who has aspergers as far as the media does not even know what these individuals psych problems actually were.
Aspergers does NOT make a person evil and would NOT make a person become a mass shooter.
Schizoid personality disorder is a much more severe and crippling disorder involving disorder thought. Please, please do not feel bad because of whatever the media says. They do not know what the guy actually had wrong with him.

GeekRad said...

wreyeter72, I agree. My 8 year old nephew is autistic and while he lacks the social skills of other chilren his age he is loving, emapathetc, caring, and NOT violent. It angers me when people who know nothinhg about aspergers and autism label them incorrectly.

Anonymous said...

Anon

Some of you must not have read all of Rodgers' manifesto. His troubles with his step-mother started very early in his life. This woman was allowed to rule her decisions and authority over Rodger and his father allowed her to do it. Rodger always had to play second fiddle to her, whatever she said and did was the final word, with no one caring or listening to him not even his father. He was trapped in his own troubled mind all those years.

Step-mommy made many nasty and unreasonable decisions that affected his life prior to her throwing him out that added to his mental illness along the way. Reread the manifesto; it's no wonder he reacted to her with an attitude as the years went by, even a normal person would have.

As for this devil possessed sicko never having sex, that's his own fault. He didn't try. There are many single and divorced women sitting around in bars every night of the week. All he ever had to do was buy one a couple of drinks and make his move. Duh... Anybody looks good in a dimly lit bar after a few drinks.

New England Water Blog said...

Is anyone here able to analyze this statement by Elliot Rogers childhood friend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J1qYyEwv4w