Wednesday, April 27, 2016

Davey Blackburn Publicity and Book Deal


When Amanda Blackburn was murdered last Fall, the public was shocked, one way or another, by the appearance of her husband, Davey Blackburn, on television.

He distanced himself from her, and spoke about how many people he could get to come to his church and how much exposure he could get for his 'business'; something many of his comments showed to be his priority; specifically, numbers in attendance while he ignored the murder, itself.  

He not only distanced himself from Amanda, his wife, but from his son and made references to what sounded like a book or movie deal.  Later, he even claimed that while standing in the shower, the Almighty spoke to him and gave him plans for Davey to have success of a historic nature.  Whenever he spoke of her death, the shooting, or similar, 'forensic' like topics, he used the pronoun "we", though he was alone.

  "For us, we have nothing to hide", he said, strongly indicating a need to conceal something, within his language.  

Here we pick up, in two parts, from an "interview" he gave with his former pastor, with the 2nd part of the analysis from Fox news, which covers the moments when he found Amanda bleeding to death.  The topic here is something that was referenced to early in his statements:  publicity.  

With his repetition and strong statements about numerics, that is, the number of people who would come to his church, the number of people who would visit via the internet, and the number of people he would be in communication with via television, and lastly, through his "history making" mandate, we have "the expected" regarding this 'forgiveness' meeting.  

What has been expected is the "public forgiveness" as an ultimate publicity stunt, granted to the criminals who shot Amanda.  

When asked about this 'forgiveness meeting'  he stated:


"Honestly, Perry, I know this sounds crazy and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys.  I really do.  I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna do it…"

Question for the reader/analyst:


Does the subject (Davey) have plans to meet with the killers?  Is there plans in the making, including what will be said?


We believe what one says unless they give us reason to not.  Following simple principles of Statement Analysis:  



"Honestly, Perry, 


 We note that this topic of meeting with the killers has produced two things:


a.  The need to emphasize that he is telling the truth with the word "honestly" which is used by those who's general pattern is less than honest.  It is a signal that the subject wants to be believed here, and by doing so, acknowledges that he is not always one who can be believed; hence, the emphasis.  


b.  the name of the Interviewer is used.  This is to elevate attention to the answer.  



I know this sounds crazy 


He does not say "this sounds crazy" but instead he uses the words to express what he knows about how this will sound.  This is to show an awareness of the impact and how it may be used.  This is a form of manipulation similar to one saying


"well, if I were you, I would not trust me either, but..."  where I generally advise the person to believe the subject and not trust him. 


"I know" is to take a step away from "this sounds crazy" which is to distance oneself.  In other words, by the simple addition of "I know", the subject is strongly suggesting that he does not believe "this is crazy" and that he knows it is begin "added for affect" upon the listener.  If it had been something so unusual that it sounded crazy, as fascinating things sometimes do, the subject would say, "This sounds crazy but..." , instead the sentence structure focuses upon the subject himself, rather than the topic of craziness.  


This leads us to ask:


Why does the subject need to make this sound as if it is something "crazy" to do in meeting with the killers?  


Remember:  the sentence is not an affirmation that the topic is crazy.  The sentence is about the subject, himself, and his knowledge of the topic.  This is what is meant by "listening" and "believing" someone, rather than interpreting his words to mean something else.  Dishonest people are counting on us to interpret their words.  


Does he want us to believe something about himself?  We are not made to wait long for the answer:  


and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope 


Note the second use of the word "honestly" as a practice of the habitually deceptive, in one answer.  This now further increases the sensitivity of what he is asserting. 


Next note that this need for "honesty emphasized" introduces the negative, of "don't know" which reports what is not known than what is known.  


Is the subject attempting to cause us to interpret his words to suggest that he does not know if he will meet the killers and if he does, he he will react, because as a husband of a murdered wife, the emotion may cause him to physically attack the men as most husbands would?


The trouble with this interpretation is:

a.  it is an interpretation and not what he said
b.  it does not match any of his reactions to her death initially
c.  it does, however, show a reaction to how people felt he reacted to his wife's death with his crass commercialization and capitalizing upon her death and even using her diary, all under the guise of religious language.  

He "honestly" does not know how "outside the the grace of God", that is, he does know how he will react "inside" the grace of God, but not "outside."  


If he does "not" know, he then refutes this lack of knowledge with the word "but" in his sentence.  


The word "but" negated what came before it, via comparison with what follows, which is:  



"...but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys. 


He does not say "with those killers" or something emotion-laden, but "with these" ("these" is close, psychologically) and they are only "guys", not "killers, bastards, murderers, animals, thugs" and so on.  This, too, matches his words right after the murder where he not only showed no concern for his safety, his son's safety nor the public at large, while the killers were not caught, but did show emotion about how much his business would grow.  


He not only "hopes" he gets the opportunity (please note who gets this opportunity: "I get the opportunity" and not "we get the opportunity" as he frequently used the pronoun "we" to the point where some erroneously concluded that it was a mental health issue with him.  It was not).  


He "really" hopes, making his "hope" now sensitive with "really."   


Next comes "really" in repetition, regarding this hope: 



 I really do.  


Enough "really" and even the untrained eye will recognize plans in place to have this publicity stunt pulled off.  


I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna do it…"


In a single answer, he used the word "honestly" three times, making the topic of "honesty" something that is very sensitive to the subject. 


Honesty. 


This is consistent with his statements since he first went public with his statements immediately following the murder of his wife:  


his honesty. 


As a habit of speech, we note what provokes it, and what does not.  This is the language of one who is habitually dishonest.  This short answer to a question, itself, reveals a level of dishonesty that is reached through life long habituation.  It is a very strong signal that the need to emphasize his own assertion is sensitive because he is not habitually truthful.  


Analysis Conclusion:


It is likely that at the time of this statement, plans have been made for the publicity stunt of "public forgiveness of the murderers" for the sake of self promotion.  It may be that a script is already prepared, if not on paper, at least mentally, as this element of 'surprise' of not knowing, is something that produces the need for emphasis.  Hence, plans are made and intentions expressed.  Please also note that shortly after the victim died, the subject spoke with analysis showing that he planned on continuing to capitalize on her death for the purpose of promotion, with likely book or movie deal, as he referred to "Amanda's Story" in his language.  


The subject is deceptive, and in other statements analyzed, has been consistent in his deceptive responses.  


Next:  What about when he found the victim bleeding to death?  Will we be given an honest account?



190 comments:

Bobcat said...

Excellent, excellent post. Thank you!

Anonymous said...

Davey Blackburn
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/22/how-is-weston-doing/:

*******
There are going to be a lot of people who completely misunderstand me when I say this, but there couldn’t have been a better time in Weston’s childhood for this kind of tragic event to occur.

Let me explain.

Amanda had the primary role in the most crucial developmental 15 months of Weston life. Frankly, in the first 15 months dads cannot properly replace the nurturing an infant and toddler need and a mother can provide. When Amanda was killed, Weston was old enough that his foundation had been built. Amanda did such an incredible job with him. I’m so proud of her. It was always such a joy to watch her mother. She developed inside of him some strong rhythms for his life that helped established emotional security in his heart. He has always seemed like he feels stable.

At the same time, Weston was young enough when everything happened that he doesn’t understand Amanda’s absence. Somewhere between month 15 (when we lost Amanda) and month 20 (when I’m writing this) Weston formed the ability to understand when someone is absent from his life. My parents tell me while I was in Israel he asked about me incessantly. He never asks for Amanda. I can’t explain this, other than when she was killed his cognitive memory hadn’t developed enough to remember that she was present. So now he doesn’t necessarily feel her absence.
*******

He could write any words in existence that are in his vocabulary, or choose to write none. He chose the above words.

To me they seem a strange choice...

Anonymous said...

Q: How do you feel about your wife's murder?

A: Couldn't have happened at a better time!

Anonymous said...

Anon at 2:59 > It's because he's always said (in so many words) that God killed his wife. He compared himself to Ezekiel (God killed his wife), and he talked about it in other ways. His words about how Amanda's death came at just the right time - - that's further proof that it was God who did it, what with His excellent timing and all.

Anonymous said...

I agree with the above 'timing' analysis. But I note two additional things: 1) Davey seems to imply here that the 'death' phase is over; and 2) it is a benefit that their child doesn't remember his mother.

My thoughts:

1) Anyone 'normal' who has suffered a loss like this knows that grief (the death phase)does not end, at least not in the short run... or medium run... or the long run, really. It comes and goes, but it's not something that you move on from, like ruining your favorite shirt. It's always with you, manifest in one way or another. Only in the eternal run is there peace, which nobody understands intellectually anyway. Their child will have a hole in his life, even if it isn't apparent right now. It's a form of wishful thinking to believe otherwise.

2) Speaking for myself, as one who nearly lost his wife of 20 years to complications related to cancer; and us with young-ish children: I can think of no greater tragedy than our children not remembering thier mother. With whom would I share memories that only we could appreciate if not with our kids? The life we lived all together would be rendered meaningless in part. This would pain me to no end.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 3:38,
You obviously are not a Man of God.
A Man of God reads the Bible, and takes everything in it literally.
The Bible says God giveth (to men) and God taketh away (from men).
Sometimes, that means God taketh a Man of God's wife.
WARNING TO WOMEN: Do NOT marry a Man of God!
Being married to a Man of God means GOD MIGHT KILL YOU.
If your mere existence hinders your Man of God in any way, LOOK OUT.
God might decide it's time for you to come home!

Truth lover said...

It sounds like he wanted to pop off Amanda, and thought that doing it at that point was ideal. After she'd made use of herself as a mother to Weston, but before Weston forms incriminating permanent memories.

He's wrong that Weston doesn't miss his mother. 5 months is a long time in a baby's life, and Weston now knows that she's not coming back.

lynda said...

Anon @ 2:59

Thank you for posting this! I'm always quick to read any SA that Peter does, especially about CD and this one is excellent as always. I was just going to request that he analyze what you posted as I cannot get it out of my mind. There's no other word for it except horrifying. If I wasn't on this blog and just read this without the benefit of the small amount of SA I have I would think:

He hates his wife
He's glad she's dead
He's glad his kid won't remember her
He will make sure the kid doesn't remember her
He is a narcissist
He is a giant asshole
His wife must have died in an accident
Maybe this guy caused the "accident"

How anyone on God's green earth could read this, including her family, and not want to go kick his ass is beyond me! How can he get away with writing this and have people still behind him, supporting him? This blog is so awful it should be posted somewhere where everyone on the internet, billions of people, read it and SHUT HIM DOWN! smh, it's terrifying that Weston is in his care. I wonder when it will be a "good time" for the child to have an "accident". Perhaps when Davey's adoring fans begin to fall away. I'm serious. Davey IS crazy and dangerous.

Concerned said...

Peter, we knew Davey would keep on talking and therefore, the lying would continue.
Oh, that your analysis could appear in the Indy newspapers!
I read that Davey refused an interview with the Indy Star last week. I imagine he is saving the big story for someone who will pay. Wouldn't you expect him and his mentor to try to sell Davey's jailhouse meeting with "these guys" to a national media outlet?

Anon at 3:38
Please pay no attention to Anon at 3:52.
Such a sad and facetious response to your sensitive comments.
I very much agree with your thoughts on a child's loss of his parent.

Anon at 3:52, God's going to call us all home one day. I pray that you learn more about Him.
Maybe you were just kidding?

Anon at 3:05
Yep, you really boiled it down to the essence of Davey once all the stuttering and stammering gets culled!

lynda said...

Is it just me or has Davey darkened his hair? I see that he got veneers on his 2 front teeth along with whitening, his hair appears and is cut and styled with quite a bit of product, different from before, he's grown the stubble look, changed his dress, and generally seems to be preparing for "stardom". He is demented and WE can't even blame "grief". You could only say he is crazy with grief and saying and doing all these bizarre things if he wasn't like this before she was murdered. But he was. It is who he is and I will never, yes I said NEVER, believe that he did not have some hand in her slaughter. Quoting someone I don't recall, "Nobody is that lucky"

lynda said...

Don't worry Concerned, somebody will see this in Indy and start spreading it around. We can't forget that he has a Davey zombie, er, I mean, a parishioner, that is a reporter for one of the local news station. Perhaps he is saving the big jailhouse meeting filming for her.

Concerned said...

Lynda at 6:40,
You are so right!
I still believe Davey will talk and talk and talk and one day he'll spill something Indy LE can use.
Honestly.
I pray that happens before another dispensable woman fails to slingshot his brand.

He's riding high right now but will never be a successful preacher. His future mate will have to take the blame because...
well, it's never going to be Davey's fault, especially after that face-to-face with God in the shower.

Concerned said...

Lynda,
As Dolly Parton said, "It takes a lot of money to look this cheap!"
Poor Davey looks more plastic and like a "church-of-what's-happening-now" creation, what with the tight clothes and pouty hair.
The blood money from Amanda's death will never buy him any class.

Concerned said...

PS: POUFY is what I meant about Davey's hair. (Is that a word?)

Anonymous said...

Yes, Poufy is a word, and it describes more than just his hair.

tania cadogan said...

It looks like he went ott with the fake tan on his face, either that or he needs to have adarn good wash.

Where is he getting all the money for his trips abroad and ugrading his image?
Did he cash in a life insurance policy he had on Amanda?
If so did she know she was insured?
Is he insured?
Is baby Weston insured?

He is milking Amanda's murder for every cent he can, how much media and money would he get if he 'lost' his baby son as well?

his ego knows no bounds and all he is focused on is money and numbers and he will use any means possible to get them.

Anonymous said...

Where did Davey move? I saw the house has been sold and bought. The pics of Weston's room with no crib were so sad to look at. Under the lights where his crib was sitting was just a basket with a pillow thrown in it. The other decor that Amanda put up with love was still there. And the description of "featuring Brand NEW hardwood flooring" was ridiculous. Yeah, there's brand new flooring, someone was murdered in the living room. I wonder if they redid the kitchen and bathrooms? The house is not new (1988) and did not have such updated kitchen and bathrooms. They sure were nice! Had to cost a lot. And yet he only gave Amanda $500 to do Weston's room. I bet that grill of his was more than $500. You know the one Amanda knocked over accidentally and then he wouldn't speak to her for days.

Anyone else think Megan is helping him with his blog? I'm not buying that those are just his words. Something is different in the wording. It doesn't sound 100% like him.

Anon 3:05 - You got that right!!

The shocking thing is that the men sitting in jail haven't ratted him out yet? Why do you think that is? What is being promised to them? I can't see how they are being so loyal to DB. Any thoughts on that?

-TJ

Fm25 said...

Please bear with me... Lengthy post here. i believe a lot of us feel that if davey did orchestrate Amanda's murder, pregnancy was sort of the tipping point. I was just going through many of his statements regarding pregnancy and thought I'd outline them here chronologically for discussion. I found it quite interesting anyway...
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Love song q & a 10/27/15
Talks about pregnancy with Weston being difficult transition and causing troubles in their marriage. Can't find transcript for direct quote but summarized in earlier threads.
-
11/08 -announced pregnancy in sermon, tied in to worry and finances
"I worry about finances. Like how are we gonna pay that bill, and how are we gonna make these ends meet, I mean how are we gonna do this—I worry about that. I bet every single person here worries on some level about that.
I worry about my future.
I worry about th–, the future of this church.
I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like.
I worry, I worry about my kids.
Davey, did you just say kids? Yes I did. Guess what?
Come on! Yeah-he-he!"
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Worship is a weapon 11/08/05
"Maybe instead of worrying so much about your kids, you need to lift it up and surrender it to Jesus" (shoots prop gun at man in hoodie) *** word choice: surrender it to Jesus"
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Ambers post - describing 11/09 visit with Amanda
"We sat on a park bench as we watched our kids play and talked about everything" ...how she broke the news to Davey about their new baby" *** broke news sounds like this was not good news for him ***
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Sermon at FIL,s church 11/29/05
"I had a thought this morning in the shower. And felt like the Lord spoke to my heart and said: 'Davey, I want my church, I want my bride to come alive. And if I had asked you, Davey, before this if you were willing to give up your bride so that my bride can come alive, what would you have said?
Of course, like anybody else I said 'absolutely not. There is no way.' I'm good with being married and having two little kids, pastoring a church of 120 for the rest of my life. I am good with comfort. And the Lord said, 'That's why I didn't ask you the question beforehand.' Because sometimes when you say, I surrender all, you mean I surrender some. So you are put in a situation where you have to surrender all."
*** again talks about surrendering all, this time so church will come alive.***
-

Bring me the ephod 01/31/16
"Man, you really do find out who your friends are when you go through really tough stuff. Man, people were like “I got your back, bro,” and there all of the sudden something happens, and you wind up pregnant, and you’re…OH, gone. "
*** who turned back on them when Amanda found out she was pregnant? Did it have financial implications?***
-

Overwhelmed week 2/07/16
"We felt, like we were like, like a pregnant church, but we hadn’t given birth to anything, you know what I’m saying? So we were swelling and swelling, but we were like, man we need to do something so we decided to make this really big faith move, and with forty to fifty people move into a 900 seat auditorium which all the experts say “Don’t do.” "
**- rest of sermon discussing numbers, need for donations. Could they not afford new baby? ***
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I'm sure I'm missing some so feel free to add. I am no s/a expert, but I do think this is a surprising amount of references to pregnancy, some in very odd contexts, particularly when you consider davey seems unaffected by loss of unborn child ( at least until recently as he is starting to market story in full force.
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Also, his latest contention that he thought Amanda's injuries were related to losing baby, makes me wonder if perhaps he wasn't trying to orchestrate her murder, perhaps just cause miscarriage. She was shot in abdomen, correct? Only speculation of course but would love to hear thoughts.

Carnival Barker said...


Davey Blackburn
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/22/how-is-weston-doing/:

*******
"There are going to be a lot of people who completely misunderstand me when I say this, but there couldn’t have been a better time in Weston’s childhood for this kind of tragic event to occur."

*****************
OH. MY. GOD. To me it sounds like he's saying, "Well, it was gonna happen sooner or later, so I waited until Weston was 15 months old for the following reasons ..."

Next thing we know Etsy Nanny is gonna start stenciling her tree trunks with "No time like the present!" and "Amanda Who?"

Nic said...

DB and family could put pictures up of Amanda and talk about her. It seems simple enough, to me.

I hope Amanda's family get to see Weston.

My friend lost his wife a couple of years ago to leukaemia. They had just finalized their son's adoption before she was diagnosed. They were foster parents and he was the first foster child police brought to them. The mother rejected him when he was just a baby, which opened the door for them to adopt him. Anyway, my friend started dating a woman last fall who was creeped out by the pictures he had around the house of his late wife and she asked him to put them away. My friend explained to her that his son was so young when his wife died (4), he was worried his son would forget what she looked like. He called me up and asked me what I thought. I pointed out whose home it was and I didn't think she should be making changes like that. The woman who was creeped out is no longer in the picture, anymore, for other reasons, but I thought the pictures request revealed her insecurity and jealousy.

Having their loved one's image up/visible around the house also inspires questions that result in many conversations about her and what it was like when she was alive. So essentially she is still very much a part of their life.




Anonymous said...

She was shot in the arm, upper back and head, Fm25.

Fm25 said...

Thanks anonymous. I spent too much time looking up transcripts, should have taken the extra few to check affidavit!

Nic said...

The shocking thing is that the men sitting in jail haven't ratted him out yet? Why do you think that is? What is being promised to them? I can't see how they are being so loyal to DB. Any thoughts on that?

Yes, I do. If Taylor is in fact a left-handed person, (per the grainy image LE shared of him walking with the cell phone to his right ear and hand in pocket (matching witness's description) then science will get him off of the charge of murdering Amanda. I'm of the opinion whomever shot Amanda was right-handed as per the coroner's report wherein it states she had a gsw in her left arm, the bullet traveling up to the biceps. Another bullet entered and exited the upper back downwards. (I interpret the stance to be she was on her knees.) A bullet hole was discovered in the stair well and the lead bullet was recovered from under the stairs. Lots of activity around the stairs.

In the Affidavit of Probably cause it sites a "cooperative" individual saying that Taylor said that Amanda charged at him so he shot her "somewhere" in the upper body so he would not be scratched" (imo, scratched is leakage to what was seen, not what he/they did). If that's true, and it is also true that Taylor is left-handed, then it would be more likely she would have taken the hit in her right arm if he was standing on, for example, the stair landing shooting up at a charging Amanda coming down the stairs with her arm/s out in front of her. Instead, the shot was to the lower left arm which traveled up to her biceps. If the left-handed shooter were to have shot her lower left arm, the trajectory would have been different.

Bad luck for him the others initially dumped him leaving vulnerable to daylight him to be "seen"/why he was walking with a pink sweater masking his face, hoodie up, and talking loudly as per a witness statement in the Affidavit. Note as well that the witness doesn't describe him covered in blood/brain matter. IMO, I think shooting someone three times would be messy.


Nic said...

Fm25:

Page 6, Affidavit of Probable Cause
https://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Something about Davey's language was bothering me in the Weston doesn't-need-his-mother-anymore post.

"Amanda had the primary role in the most crucial developmental 15 months of Weston life. Frankly, in the first 15 months dads cannot properly replace the nurturing an infant and toddler need and a mother can provide."

Primary role? Primary, as opposed to secondary. Davey wasn't too thrilled about pregnancy because it interfered with is finances (1st on his list of stressors), his calling/vision for his church (took time away from video sermons, Starbucks sermon sessions, working out so he could look good on stage, etc.), and his sex life(complaining when she wasn't pregnant that it wasn't frequent enough for him). Based on his language, it's safe to say he viewed babies as an intrusion, usurping him. Amanda wasn't wholly dedicated and living solely to advance Davey and Resonate. Davey was relegated to a secondary role. The language choice here is indicative of jealousy.

"Frankly, in the first 15 months dads cannot replace..."- In context with the first sentence, he's begrudgingly acknowledging a fact. You can almost hear the "but" coming though as Davey seeks to assert himself and regain #1 status regarding Weston. He's extremely competitive and doesn't like to play second fiddle (mocking his own team's pitcher for trying to help an injured Davey, knocking elderly relatives down & hurting them in the process to win a simple backyard football game, upending a game board because he can't stand to lose, etc.).

Bobcat said...

"I worry about th–, th–, th–, th–, th–, the fragility of– of a new church and wh–wh– what that looks like."

DB is all about the image. How things look.

Ashley Barrett mentioned one of the beautiful things about Amanda was that she didn't care about "Keeping up with the Joneses"

Davey did.

The pastor friends of his were better pastors and more successful.

Davey wanted the success (as Peter noted in SA from the beginning) and the trappings and images of success.

Amanda died so his church could live. Amanda died so DB could have the trappings of success.

Fm25 said...

It also doesn't make sense to me that Taylor was able to exit the house to bring cards out to Watson and Gordon and then re-enter, prior to ab having been shot. I guess she must have been somehow disabled, but it would have only been temporary since according to the informants she later charged at him. If only she could have gotten to the door and locked it things could have ended differently.

Nic said...

Bumping this I posted from the other thread.

When I returned home to shower I walked into a reality I’d never wish on anyone.

The word, “When” is a conjunction and joins returning home and walked (into a reality).

“a reality”, the word reality is the actual existence of something; “a” is distancing

“walking” is not running, walking is a calm and regular pace; he is describing a reality that is calm, not urgent

“I’d never”, I’d is a contraction for 'I would never', to contract is to abbreviate/make smaller/minimize, never doesn’t mean ever and describes DB's "wish"

“wish" is to hope

He's suppose to be talking about Amanda but instead he says "anyone"
Story telling




My home had been broken into and Amanda was lying on the floor unconscious with 3 gunshot wounds – one to the head.


"My" not, our home, he takes possession of the house
"had been" is passive and weakens the action "broken into"
"broken" DB left the door unlocked, there was no forcible entry.
He doesn't assign blame to anyone for breaking in, not even ’somebody’. Technically, ‘nobody' broke in.

"My home had been broken into", stands on it's own. What follows the word "and" is sensitive.

"and" = conjunction/missing information. Two separate events joined by the word “and” creates a joint (single) event.

My home had been broken into and Amanda was lying on the floor unconscious with three gunshot woulds -- one to the head."

Statistically, the number three is the number mostly likely to be chosen by a liar.

"One to the head" - of the three gunshot wounds Amanda sustained, DB describes the location of just one of the gunshots, the one that eventually killed her and her state of being (unconscious/not dead)

“unconscious” is a temporary state of being the assailant reports as witnessing, (watched her bleed,) which DB reports as fact
__________________

Analysis conclusion: Amanda was already lying on the floor unconscious when Taylor and Co entered the Blackburn's resident.

The above is the result of my attempt to apply the principles of statement analysis to public statements made by DB. What I post is my opinion.

Nic said...

To repeat some of DB's quotes:

there she was, on both knees, bowing .... Leading the way in surrender.

As these images flooded my mind I looked at my counselor and said, “Yes. She still would have said ‘yes.’” Because for Amanda, no matter how much it hurt, she always chose the route of obedience over comfort.



Nero didn’t ask these early Christians to recant Christ. …He merely asked these Christians to worship him FIRST, before they worshiped Christ...These early martyrs could have easily succeeded to Nero’s wishes, all the while holding on to their “love” for Jesus in order to spare their life.

But they didn’t.
They chose Jesus over anything else. Over comfort. Over health. Over safety. Over convenience. …

There’s no pre-laid-out terms of contract in this whole thing. He just says take up your cross and follow me.

Amanda chose Jesus over anything else. Over comfort. Over health. Over safety. Over convenience.

____________________
He lumps Amanda in with what happened to the early martyrs and he says why.

Note as well, what is reported in the negative:

There’s no pre-laid-out terms of contract in this whole thing.

Contract is an agreement between two people.

"I" is singular

"we" is plural

Lis said...

I think the appearance change is significant. Now that he's free of his wife, he is reinventing himself.

His words about his son not missing his mother are spoken as one who has no attachment to other people and does not understand it. Nothing is closer than the attachment between child and mother. Again, he disparages Amanda's importance and worth.

"I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God"

I'm being sarcastic here but I think that's exactly how he's going to do it- OUTSIDE OF THE GRACE OF GOD.

"I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys"

I cannot imagine calling those who murdered my loved one "these guys." I'm assuming "these" is close, in the same way "this" is close and "that" is distancing? He did not call them "those" guys. He called them "these" guys- close.

I don't know whether I'm more horrified at DB or at those who cannot see through his hollowness. It's dispiriting to know there are so many people who are completely lacking in discernment.

Hey Jude said...

Lol, your last sentence Carnival Barker.

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I think Davey somewhat overdid the downplaying of Meg's existence in his round of thanks to all the women in Weston's life. She won't mind though, she will be happy to be the self-effacing invisible servant-slave girl, at least from what I recall of her blog.

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Well, the fund donations are probably financing a fair bit. I'd think Amanda is bound to have been insured, too - it's not unusual for young mothers to be extra-insured, just in case, and less insured as the children grow older - childcare is expensive - at least if it has to be paid for, not so in Davey's case. If there was planning, there was sure to have been a decent insurance policy - I bet there wasn't a similar one to benefit Amanda in the case of Davey's untimely demise. (Why am I even saying that, as I have no clue? - it's SO easy to think the worst of Davey.)

Where's Amanda's dog, though? I bet Weston loved that doggie. Maybe Davey is going to reclaim Mel once they are settled in, and once they have finished building the fence to block direct access to the lake at the bottom of the garden - if that is even the house they have moved into, and if I have not been stalking round the wrong tree. Well, photos. :-/ It is unsettling that he has moved in with the Barretts - I found their joyous interview demeanour, given as Amanda lay brain dead in the hospital, to be the height of bad taste and equally of bad friendship, which I can't help but take personally, on Weston's behalf, as he is not yet old enough to realise he is surrounded by Davey worshipping sycophants,

A bit harsh, okay - but idolatry is not the way forward. 'Davey must decrease, and He must increase' - but maybe not, as Davey's ideas about God are so lamentable, there's not even a place to begin - talk about people making God in their own image.

Also, to all those vision impaired Davey people who keep commenting on photos that Weston looks the image of Davey -in some photos he is the image of his grandfather Phil. Little ones are like that, from one photo to another, the smile, the expression, the angle - one parent or another, one grandparent or another - they are all evident. Talk about stroking the Davey ego - is there some sense there that they need to do that? All that praise, it's so unconsidered, and bad for his health. He's like an unfortunate meme which they all are repeating - the spiritual poverty of it all is depressing. Amanda deserves better than the dismissive 'The Best is Yet To Come' - and now being turned into 'Davey's Story' - so much better, the poor dear girl.

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End of Rant


Bobcat said...

Nic,

Wow! I didn't see that before! I've listened to many of DB's sermons and he usually talks about bible characters that happen to be going through situations similar to his own. Moses, Jesus, David, Joseph, Paul... He NEVER talks about women of the bible.

Here he becomes Nero.

"What’s fascinating is Nero didn’t ask these early Christians to recant Christ. Ancient Rome was a polytheistic society, meaning most Romans worshiped MANY gods. He merely asked these Christians to worship him FIRST, before they worshiped Christ. These early martyrs could have easily succeeded to Nero’s wishes, all the while holding on to their “love” for Jesus in order to spare their life. But they didn’t. They chose Jesus over anything else."

If only Amanda (these Christian martyrs) had worshiped Davey (Nero) before Jesus.

But she didn't.

He is sick, sick, sick.

Nic said...

DB has, many times, described what happened to Amanda as a conundrum.

To me, describing a home invasion and murder as a a conundrum means that it is a mystery/hard to solve, but a conundrum is also a riddle.

DB introduces the term "pre-laid out terms of contract in this whole thing.

What if there was a contract, but the contract wasn't for them to kill his wife, instead it was for them to make it look like they did.

Note in the Affidavit that the gang broke into the two previous residences by via the back. In this third instance, they simply walked in the front door. Not only that, they were in and out of the front door more than once. On a cul de sac. They hit a residence two doors down and had enough time to rob them, drink beer and wine and eat oranges. One of them was seen on video essentially loitering until DB left for a workout.

Someone in the other thread talked about ear buds and it being sensitive. I would be interested to know if DB habitually listens to music while he worked out and if he didn't that morning, why not.

He starts his story, above, the day before Amanda was killed. Where someone begins their statement is important. I wonder why he was home out of his workout routine. Casing out the neighbour's morning routines? 7:30 important. What happens at approximately 7:30am? The sun comes up.

jmo



jmo

Nic said...

Bobcat, you can access the Nero/day before story on his new blog. It's the only one I ever read. It's all I could stand to read.

I'm surprised LE stopped looking at this guy right off the bat.

Nic said...

Bobcat said:
He NEVER talks about women of the bible.


He doesn't use Amanda's name very often. I find it ironic he would use Amanda's name in reference to being a martyr.



Concerned said...

Admirers aren't exactly lining up for Davey's performance at NewSpring.
Commenters on his blog are pretty nonexistent.
The "beauty shots" for the press are just so terrible and a rather odd way to promote himself for speaking engagements.
Hopefully, one of those will be pulled for publication when he bumbles his story one too many times and gets picked up for more questioning!

Anonymous said...

Link to Kid Rock 911 call after finding his assistant http://m.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music/kid-rock-911-call-audio-emerges-day-assistant-death-article-1.2615308

Anonymous said...

I use honestly when I am about to reveal something that I don't want to reveal or a topic that makes me uncomfortable. I am a private person a d generally keep things surface. I am a better listener and while it seems horrible to type it out, I pretend to be closer to people that I am. I have a hard time with trust and connection. I am honest with what I share, I just rarely share anything real. I am wondering if that indicates I am deceptive. If so, that disturbs me. I also have said, "Truth moment..." which means to me that not only is it a deep raw statement, but there is intense emotion connected." Now I am really bothered.

Hey Jude said...

Foolsfeedonfolly - I noticed the 'replace', too - it made me wonder if he'd been considering for quite some time when might be the 'best time' to 'replace' Amanda. I think in addition to jealousy, he's justifying the murder, and any sense of guilt he has by trying to convince readers, and himself, that Weston no longer needs nor remembers Amanda. Weston will always feel that sense of someone missing in his life - Davey is such a control freak, he thinks he can edit Weston to his own convenience, too. I expect his little heart leaps every time he sees Amber - she is so like Amanda, it must comfort and confuse him.

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I hope his love for Weston is greater than his jealousy towards him - he probably finds it annoying to have people giving Weston care and attention, rather than, or in addition to him, not to mention finding him cute. I imagine he views Weston as a play-thing, and is likely to laugh at and tease him, tire of him easily, expect too much of him for his age, and generally consider him to be like an advanced type of pet, in need of domesticating to his own convenience. (What has happened to Mel?)

I can't help thinking Amanda's worst nightmare must have been to die and leave Weston in Davey's care, to not be able to counter the effect of Davey - just the idea of leaving him to undiluted Davey. But there, it's not like that - Weston is fortunate to have a host of willing carers, and no doubt Davey does his best to be a good father, and to also do some of the things Amanda would be doing with Weston. I get that if he is involved in Amanda's murder, the idea that Davey is doing his best to be a good parent would have to be a bad joke - but as he is innocent unless he is proved guilty, and regardless of what the truth might be, I am finding cognitive dissonance helps to fill those gaps, a bit, at times.

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Interesting, Nic - there might be social media photos around which might help establish Larry Taylor's handedness. I don't know if there are - I didn't keep up too well on Sus's research posts about the accused and their social media activity, but she did a lot - it's all there somewhere in the earlier Blackburn threads.

Bobcat said...

Hey Jude,

"I hope his love for Weston is greater than his jealousy towards him - he probably finds it annoying to have people giving Weston care and attention, rather than, or in addition to him, not to mention finding him cute. I imagine he views Weston as a play-thing, and is likely to laugh at and tease him, tire of him easily, expect too much of him for his age, and generally consider him to be like an advanced type of pet, in need of domesticating to his own convenience."

This makes me sad because it seems so likely.

Davey likes to compete and he likes to win.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to compete with cute little kids. They are scene stealers. Even Madonna knows that.

Anonymous said...

In that same blog post he references the worship pastor and his wife moving in with him and people not understanding it. I wonder if he's having an affair with one of them. The worship pastor's wife is now fulfilling the role of mother. I still wonder if Amanda was going to out him.

Anonymous said...

He said he "dreamed" that she was going to divorce him.

Hey Jude said...

Bobcat - Davey preached about the Virgin Mary, at the Resonate Christmas service - also at a different time he slagged off Judith for beheading Holofernes, and somewhere along the line he revelled in the bit where Lot chucked his concubine out to be gang raped, after which he dismembered her and sent the bits out to the twelve tribes of Israel - (maybe the Amanda wrecked his grill sermon - not sure) - that was round about the same time he said he wanted all of Indy to have a little bit of Amanda. So he does preach about women, but it's not what could be described as 'affirming'. His general attitude is sexist, and women's purpose in life is to 'make things pretty - that's what they do'.

lynda said...

I don't think the murdering animals are covering for Davey. They are LOYAL to Alonzo Bull. They are covering and are willing to go to jail for HIM, not Davey.As far as that goes, they may not even know who Davey was/is.

Davey knows that people are going to "misunderstand" his statement that "this was a good time" so he says, "Let me explain." Going on to try to explain the unexplainable. The need to persuade is present.

As far as the money goes..creepy Perry Noble knows a likely cash cow when he sees it and knows how to exploit it to its maximum potential. NewSpring is a multi-million dollar business. Getting DAvey camera ready is chump change for Perry, especially if he sees movies, books, articles, etc. in the future.

Nic said...

Anonymous and 10:40

There is lying by omission. Your choice to keep things "surface" and reluctance to reveal the deep and raw means that you let people think you're one way but you're another. Instead of lying about what you feel, etc., you choose to not say anything.

Deceptive, yes; but intent comes into play, too. It sounds to me like your intent is about self-preservation, not to hurt someone else.

jmo

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 10.55 - you mean the Barretts, the ones who couldn't stop smiling while interviewed as Amanda lay on her death bed - close friends, so called. They are in thrall to Davey - I'm embarrassed for them. Their interview - a couple of videos there - their interview is the one further down the page :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3326690/Amanda-Blackburn-Three-questioned-murder-murder-pregnant-Indiana-pastor-s-wife-killed-defending-infant-son-home-invasion.html#v-6675246410191946015

Nic said...

About Mel.

What happens when you enter a house with a dog?

Not only was there no barking reported, but with all the to'ing and fro'ing the dog never got out.

There was zero reference about Mel. Did she track blood throughout the house?

Or, was she locked in a room in another part of the house until DB got back.

Hey Jude said...

Bobcat - yes, so true - that's why I hope I have the wrong house, and they have not really taken Weston to live in a place with a massive lake at the bottom of the garden, that area still unfenced, and an easy to climb through fence round the rest of it. It must be the wrong house, I hope, as no sane person would elect to live there with a small child. He really likes Levi Lusko's book 'Through the Eyes of a Lion' - Levi lost his five year old daughter to an accident, after which his mega ministry took off. He made Amanda watch the video on their 'getaway romantic' trip. Recently Davey has been going on about 'running towards the roar' - well, be sure to leave Wesron out of it, whatever it is, tis all.

I'm being paranoid, true.

Hey Jude said...

Nic, she was closed into a bedroom, as I recall. I don't have any links to verify. At the press conference the police showed a photo of her and said she had greeted them in a friendly manner.

Anonymous said...

Resonate's promo for DB this Sunday:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10209364474769343&set=p.10209364474769343&type=3&theater

flightfulbird said...

Bumping posts from the last thread -

flightfulbird said...
Bingo3, I also think he was NOT expecting her to be breathing/alive when he walked in.

flightfulbird said
"The 911 tape HAS to be key. It has to be. I know this is sounding like a broken record on my part - but all of the things Davey either said or did not say - especially the things he left out - like the fact that he had stumbled into a major crime scene - must either create a really clear picture to investigators or at least create a situation in their minds where Davey had foreknowledge and/or wanted to avoid IMPD presence for as long as possible."

I posted the above comment last night about the 911 call and I agree that my language is very insistent and decisive when discussing it, for I feel very strongly that what was said and not said is the reason that IMPD did not roll until IFD Engine 12 arrived at the Blackburn residence, saw the scene and then requested them to respond.

Because it is part of an ongoing investigation, the 911 call is being withheld right now. It is fortunate (to say the least) that what was said and not said on it that morning will be unaltered and on the record forever. There will be no possibility of retracting - no changing of words - no confusing of situations or thoughts about what was seen, as happened in Davey's NewSpring talk last Sunday.

Three different residences that morning were allegedly hit by the same group of “guys". . . one of these things is not like the other. . . one of these things just doesn’t belong. I believe the language in the Affidavit for Probable Cause is very specific about what was said on the 911 calls that morning. I believe the language demonstrates the intentions of the residents and who they expected and WANTED to respond when they called for help.

- continued next post -

flightfulbird said...

Anonymous flightfulbird said...
- continued from above post -

From pages 13 and 14 of the Affidavit for Probable Cause -

At 5:23 A.M., November 10, 2015, Jacola Searsbrook called 911 to report a burglary of her apartment at 5756 San Clemente Drive. Officer Thomas Aguilar responded to take a report.

Entry to the apartment was made by cutting the porch screen and opening the unlocked sliding door.


At 8:16 A.M. November 10, 2015, Allison Becker called 911 to report a burglary of her home at 2830 Sunnyfield Court. Officer Elise Torres responded to make the report.

Entry was made to the residence by tearing through the patio screen window and unlocking the deadbolt to the patio door.


At 8:22 A.M., November 10, 2015, David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife, Amanda Blackburn, injured and unconscious on the living room floor of their home at 2812 Sunnyfield Court.
Indianapolis Fire Department Engine 12 responded to the scene. At 8:30 A.M., IFD 12 requested the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department to respond for a possible assault.

Blackburn stated that he left the front door unlocked when he left.


Both of the first two residents, upon realizing someone/an intruder had been inside their home, called 911 and reported a burglary - and POLICE OFFICERS responded. David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife injured and unconscious - and IFD ENGINE 12 / EMTs responded.

Amanda’s injuries (three gunshot wounds, lower lip split, scratches on her face, tooth knocked out) were clearly not the result of a simple fall or an aneurysm (or related to her pregnancy - oh please). Her shirt was pulled up and her underwear had been removed. Furniture was displaced - earphones and duct tape and credit cards were scattered on the floor.

Whether or not Davey knew Amanda had gunshot wounds, whether he noticed the bullet holes in the stairs or not - when he found Amanda lying in blood, even with only the facial injuries and the things scattered about, there’s absolutely no way he could NOT know that someone/an intruder had been inside HIS home. Davey also reported to Detective Perkins that the Swisher Sweets cigar package should not be in their residence.

So - it seems logical that an individual encountering such a scene, KNOWING someone had been inside his home and *might* still be inside, would want police protection / investigation as well as medical.

How would he know, when he walked in, whether whoever did this to Amanda was still upstairs or in the garage? Wouldn’t Davey have wanted a crime scene investigation as well as paramedics - to find out who did this to his wife?

The medical situation would be the first priority but it’s not like it would’ve delayed the EMT response if he had told the operator that his wife was on the floor in a pool of blood and he could tell someone had assaulted her, that someone had been there. Why did only Engine 12 respond at first, and IMPD only responded once Engine 12 requested them? I will believe forever that it is because not a single one of these other observations were indicated to the 911 operator.

I would like to give the 911 operator/dispatcher the benefit of the doubt that if they had all of this information and a clear picture of what Davey walked into, they would've absolutely rolled IMPD.

This might not be THE reason that the 911 call is being withheld - but I believe it makes sense that this could be A reason.


April 27, 2016 at 9:01 PM

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 10.40 - Maybe your reality is, or was, different to the one people think is yours, so you don't want to spoil the illusion.

flightfulbird said...

bumping from last thread -

flightfulbird said...
Davey is going to milk this "forgiving these guys" thing for all it's worth - I watched some of the video from Newspring today and this thing he said (among others) bugs me - he actually said people might be sitting there thinking he’s incredible. It’s a whole story - wife is brutally murdered but the grieving husband pastor rises above it, forgives the killers and witnesses to them and brings them to faith in God.

https://vimeo.com/164261879?from=outro-embed

start watching at 30:20
"And so, I just didn’t want to be eaten up by unforgiveness and bitterness. And honestly, Perry, ah, I know this sounds crazy and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys. I really do. I I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna. . . don’t sit there and be like man, he’s incredible. . I have NO CLUE - but where the Lord has me on my journey right now, the people he's placed in my life, the stories that I’ve heard of people who have gone through um even. .bigger tragedies than I have and who have done that very thing, it inspired me to say truly NOTHING IS WASTED."

"Can you imagine, imagine this - imagine if these three guys met Jesus. K? Imagine the kick in the nuts it would be for the enemy (clapping and cheering). I’m just sayin …."

This part of his speech was very smooth, no fidgeting or stuttering. The difference is so clear between this part and the part where he was describing finding Amanda and changing his version of what happened from what he told detectives and was written in the affidavit. Once he’s into “all things work together for good” mode, it’s very fluid and controlled - but he is stuttering and saying “um” and looking all over the place when he describes the morning of November 10th.

He must not realize that people have read his statements, transcribed his interviews and are comparing what he says back to everything he has said before. For a narcissist, this would be like crack. I can’t imagine that he would say he had no idea anyone had been in his house and that the blood from Amanda’s injuries to her left arm, upper back and back of skull/head were something that looked to him like something had gone horrifically wrong with her pregnancy. Seriously ?

trustmeigetit said...

Who would say this or even think this?

Good timing on dying?

If my husband was killed, aside from being devastated, my son loosing his father would be something that would break my heart. If he was too young to remember him I would wish he could have known him. If he remembered him, my heart would break that he missed him.

There's no such thing.

This just adds to my concerns.

This child will grow up with out his mother. Dying is one of my fears. Thinking about not being here to make sure my son is loved and cared for.

I have so much emotion at just the thought of this. More than a man that's going thru this.

I don't understand how he's been cleared.

Hey Jude said...

Flightful - I agree - he confirmed on Sunday, more or less, what you said - he thought something had gone wrong with the pregnancy, and phoned 911 'as soon as he could'. (delayed yet longer, for as long as he could, more like). Monstrous little ****.

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Terrible if we are all wrong, though, and if Davey is just the most innocent laid back murder victim's husband ever.

flightfulbird said...

If only the Indy Star would be like the Boston Globe, with an editor like the Liev Schreiber character and a team of truth-seeking reporters like in the film Spotlight - who exposed the priests who were abusing kids for years and years.

IF we are wrong, I'll own it and I think the rest of us will as well. There are hundreds of us who feel like there is more to the story, now more than ever after Sunday's stage performance.

flightfulbird said...

I found it interesting in the NewSpring video where Perry Noble has introduced Davey and is “appreciative” of Davey’s abs/muscles - start watching at 2:07

https://vimeo.com/164261879?from=outro-embed

"I notice you, uh, you’ve got your pants rolled up" (Davey says “yeah”). . . Perry says "you look good" . . . (Davey says “thanks") and then Perry says “Let me tell you something about Davey - we were just, and this is something that he didn’t know I was going say, because I didn’t know I was gonna say it until just now, but we were in Israel . . and we’re just all hangin out by the pool, you know the guys, we’re just hangin out by the pool, and Davey came out and took his shirt off - and all the men put their shirt back on. Like (Perry acts like he’s covering himself up), no, shhhhhoot. . .

Then Perry says “You could wash your shirt on this man’s stomach - it’s UN. . . REAL ! . . . I’m sorry I shared that with everybody. . . “

Is this normal, for a pastor to compliment another guy’s (another guy pastor's) abs from the stage, in a place of worship ? When he spoke at Amanda’s funeral (aka celebration of life which 6500 people watched), he was also talking (fondly, almost a step away from gushing) about Davey’s physical attributes.

http://resonateindianapolis.com/amanda/

At 37:45 - “Davey, um, Davey’s the kind of guy I didn’t like in school because he’s beautiful - he’s a beautiful man, and if you’re a man you know exactly what I’m talking about, like he walks in a room and he’s an athlete, and he’s chiseled, and he’s got that smile and that little dimple thing and. . . he’s BEAUTIFUL”

The context was about Weston being born - he says right after this how Amanda was stunning and beautiful and Davey was beautiful and that two beautiful people would have a beautiful kid and how happy everyone was and how they celebrated - but I found it interesting that Perry would describe Davey like this, in these terms - and at a memorial service? No judging, but could they be a little closer than just good friends?

He goes on to talk about the morning he got the text about Amanda - “and Tuesday, this Tuesday, this past Tuesday - I got a text, and it said pray for, pray for Amanda, and pray for Davey, because Davey just found Amanda on the floor and she’s got a head wound, this is how it was communicated to me, that she’s got a head wound and um, they’ve rushed her to the hospital. And for me, in the world I live in, I’m just gonna let you know, I thought, maybe she’s climbed up on the kitchen cabinet and she was trying to get something and she fell and hit her head, and that’s serious and we need to pray."

"And I went into a meeting and I stepped out an hour later and somebody said something about a gunshot and I went no, no, no no, no, this isn’t a gunshot, she probably fell in the kitchen - and they had to kind of take me aside and sit me down and say no no, no no no no no, it’s a home invasion, and Amanda has been killed.”

This has been said before but I’d not seen a transcript of this portion of the video - showing that Davey also minimized the description of Amanda’s injuries to whoever TEXTED this to Perry Noble. “A head wound” - communicates such a different scenario than actually happened. Why not be up front about that from the start, especially with people so close?

flightfulbird said...

Forgot to include above that Perry Noble wanted to be clear that "this was how it was communicated to him" - distancing?

Hey Jude said...

I'm worried he's thinking about people who have gone through 'bigger tragedies' than him (what an awful thing to say) - he's so competitive - he may not think he's quite tragic enough to be a mega-pastor yet. Whatever It Takes. He's not deranged though, so hopefully he can settle for Amanda's 'sacrifice' as being sufficient to his cause.

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Trustmeigetit - wasn't he 150% cleared - so not cleared, really - more just for the time being. Maybe. It doesn't do any good to be too confident, though - I believed for so many years that the McCanns would not get away with whatever happened to Madeleine - given up finally, well, more or less. Never say never.

Anonymous said...

Amanda's sister, Amber's mother-in-law commented on FB's Seeking Justice for Amanda page that she had not been aware of the suspicion about Davey (I'm paraphrasing here) until this month. I think it's under the January picture of one of the thugs.
Of course, she was dumfounded that people could believe Davey would hurt Amanda.

Even if commenters here prove to be wrong (which I doubt) and the Statement Analysis proof of Davey's lies is about something else, perhaps sexual sin, Amanda's family ought to be aware. Maybe their watchfulness can save Weston from something injurious. Or just maybe it can save the next Mrs. Blackburn.

Hey Jude said...

Yes, flightful - it goes with the minimising 911 call, it's all apiece. Amanda 's friend - Elizabeth, described it as 'an accident' - which must be how it was described to her. There's a video somewhere - she was putting it out there, and so was, and still is, Perry Noble - they want people to know that is how it was conveyed to them. I was looking at Elizabeth!s Facebook recently - she's expecting a baby; how sad Amanda is not there to share her joy. Watching Phil, too - It's all so sad for Amanda's parents, siblings, everything is now always less than it was, and for what - a couple of credit cards, or so Davey could grow his obscene mockery of a church - I do think the latter.

Ah, come on now - Perry is very very happily married to White Lucretia, and they are living in the joy of the Lord in their divinely appointed Mansion, even if the Best is Yet to Come. That said, what God has joined together let not Davey Blackburn put asunder. Perry Noble may seem like he can hardly keep his hands off him, but that is just a demonstration of brotherly love. The floundering was such it seemed he must be about to offer to build three tabernacles, one for Davey, one for Moses, and one for Elijah - he was overcome at the sight of Davey all transfigured, NewSpring style.

I should not mock, but the attempt to take them seriously is doing my head in. :-/

Anonymous said...

"Don't sit there and be like man, he's incredible". Hahaha.


INCREDIBLE - adjective
1.
impossible to believe.

Anonymous said...

Thank you. I am going to work on that though. While it's not blatantly lying, I am uncomfortable with being deceptive. I want to be authentic.

(Hope)

Anonymous said...

Thank you. I will have to listen to that tomorrow when everyone is awake.

(Hope)

Hey Jude said...

Correction to my own post - Levi Lusko's little daughter died from a severe asthma attack, not from an accident.

Anonymous said...

Weston has already fallen down the stairs twice.

CD says he turned his back for a second, then in the next sentence reveals that he, (CD) actually went downstairs, leaving Weston, and. Weston then "followed me down". I can't find the quote.

Then there is CD laughing about Weston screaming as CD forces shoes "half a size too small" onto his feet.

I am amazed (not really) that CD thinks the best way to shepherd Weston through this "little it of chaos" is to piss off to the mountains to write songs and walk along the beach with a former Miss California and sit,shirtless, by the pool with Perry Noble and Co. in the Holy Land.

Davey is a horrible father. I'll bet he upped Amanda's life insurance when he found out she was pregnant.

Hey Jude said...

It can be difficult, Anon - deception, or concealment, carries its cost to the person who is being deceptive - on the other hand, being puritanical about the need to be truthful in everything can be at great cost to others - who pays? Is it necessary? We decide. It depends so much on what the deception is, and what, or who, might or would, be broken by the truth.

That's probably not the best thing to post here, where pursuit of truth is something of an absolute - it's too complicated.

Lis said...

flightfulbird said This has been said before but I’d not seen a transcript of this portion of the video - showing that Davey also minimized the description of Amanda’s injuries to whoever TEXTED this to Perry Noble. “A head wound” - communicates such a different scenario than actually happened. Why not be up front about that from the start, especially with people so close?

Maybe he is just so wrapped up in himself he didn't notice what was going on with her? I could just see him coming in the door and standing admiring himself in the mirror, flexing his muscles, not noticing her on the floor behind him. Not saying this happened! but that it's the picture that comes to mind when he is talking.

I really doubt he notices much of anything about other people. Anyone with a clue would realize little Weston asks about him incessantly when he's gone now BECAUSE he lost his mother and is terrified of losing anyone else. He is such an utter BOOB.

Lis said...

Anon, I use the word honestly once in a while when I am going to speak candidly and say something I would usually keep to myself.

There is a sort of 'dishonesty' that is social in nature, that seeks to preserve other peoples' feelings. There's also the wisdom of not revealing all of one's innermost thoughts at all times.

But note that: "In a single answer, he used the word "honestly" three times, making the topic of "honesty" something that is very sensitive to the subject."

The word 'honestly' could be sensitive for different reasons. The person is emphasizing that they want to be believed here.

I really do not think DB is being honest, though. I believe that there is an ulterior motive behind the face value of the statement- he wants to impress everyone with how great he is. The honest truth is revealed in his other statement:

"don’t sit there and be like man, he’s incredible"

"man, he's incredible"

Anonymous said...

If CD gets to introduce Jesus to the muderous thugs that brutally murdered his wife and unborn child in time, perhaps he can be a character witness on their behalf at trial. The spineless weasel.

Can you Imagine his Victim's Impact statement?

"Well, your Honor, these guys ...I've already forgiven them a couple of times over....and um, it couldn't have happened at a better time for Weston, and Jesus told me in the shower that my bride had to die, so that His could come to life, and there were ever so many people at Resonate for the funeral, I got a new car, a couple of holidays, and loads of super ideas for new songs, and what's more, the best is yet to come....don't sit there thinking I'm incredible"

Bubbles said...

I think the reason DB said he called 911 "as soon as he could" is because he raped Amanda when he returned home. Think about it before you attack me for voicing this...he clearly wanted sex more than he got it, and he wanted to be the absolute dominating power in the relationship. Raping her as she lay dying is not beyond him. It would explain why her underwear was off and why they "couldn't determine" if a sexual assault happened - because DB probably told them they had sex that morning. It just wasn't before he left...it was when he returned.

Also, it occurred to me that I think Perry Noble greased some palms to get the "Husband has been 100% cleared" ruling.

The current case of Terri "Missy" Bevers is a good example - her husband was in Mississippi at the time she was murdered. It's been 10 days and the most they've said is they're "close" to verifying his alibi. They haven't cleared ANYONE.

tania cadogan said...

Off topic

An article that made me go HUH?

SAN DIEGO – A family dog that killed a 3-day-old San Diego boy has been put down at the owners' request.

San Diego County animal control officials say the dog, Polo, was euthanized Wednesday morning.

The 2-year-old male was an American Staffordshire terrier-mix.

Authorities say the dog was in bed with Sebastian Caban and the baby's parents, who were watching TV, on April 21 when the mother suddenly coughed.

Authorities say that startled the dog and it bit the baby in the head.

The couple pulled the dog off the child. The parents made two unsuccessful 911 calls before becoming frustrated and driving Sebastian to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

The death has been ruled accidental.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/04/28/san-diego-familys-dog-that-mauled-newborn-baby-to-death-is-euthanized.html?intcmp=hplnws


The parents made two unsuccessful 911 calls.
What does that mean?
They couldn't get through?
They got disconnected?
Bad connection?

Anonymous said...

Absolutely ridiculous. Thank God most commenters here actually attempt to apply SA. Making up sordid stories out of thin air discredits you.

Why would you think Davey is "not above" raping a dying woman?

John mcgowan said...

"My parents tell me while I was in Israel he asked about me incessantly."

Do we know why he went to "Israel"? Whom did he go with? Why this location?
For him to mention the location, it is important to him. Most would say "My parents tell me while I was on "Vacation" / "Holiday", (if you live in the UK) he asked about me incessantly."

Anonymous said...

Along with that, his parents confirm to him that not only does Weston ask about him incessantly, but also, the little guy never mentioned his mom.

Why? Like parents, like son?

Anonymous said...

Initially she was dumbfounded, but when someone elaborated regarding DB's odd public statements and reactions since his wife's death, the woman's reply was, "well, I can see why" people might reach that conclusion.

Now, this is from someone who knows him. For her to make that statement says she, too, thinks DB's reactions are odd, or she would not have conceded that.

Telling.

Anonymous said...

Something else to consider:

One of the theories here speculates DB may have known the killers; possibly designed a hit on Amanda with them or their fellow gang criminals. If that is the case, would DB really go through with the charade of meeting them to save their souls? It seems to me that would be a little risky to DB's "innocent" status, because "these guys" might not play into his plan.

Bingo3 said...

Perry Noble at the funeral:
“and Tuesday, this Tuesday, this past Tuesday - I got a text, and it said pray for, pray for Amanda, and pray for Davey, because Davey just found Amanda on the floor and she’s got a head wound, this is how it was communicated to me, that she’s got a head wound and um, they’ve rushed her to the hospital. And for me, in the world I live in, I’m just gonna let you know, I thought, maybe she’s climbed up on the kitchen cabinet and she was trying to get something and she fell and hit her head, and that’s serious and we need to pray."

Perry Noble on the blog last week:
On November 10, 2015, I got a text from Davey. He said Amanda had gotten a head wound and asked that I keep her in my prayers. I assumed she must have slipped in the kitchen or something"

At the funeral, it sounds like someone else texted PN that morning about the head wound but on his blog he said Davey texted him personally that she had a head wound. Maybe he was just still in shock and couldn't remember who texted him but another contradiction although nothing as serious as Davey's contradictions.

Nic said...

"On November 10th, everything changed. It was a normal Tuesday morning. I woke up around 4:30am. Read my bible for a bit. Grabbed my gym clothes and headed out for a workout. When I returned home to shower I walked into a reality I’d never wish on anyone. My home had been broken into and Amanda was lying on the floor unconscious with 3 gunshot wounds – one to the head.

Aside from the dropped pronoun, the reference to gym clothes has always stuck out. Why wouldn't he say, "gym bag". To me, "clothes" is unnecessary and is sensitive just like talking about "brushing teeth" is, when asking someone what they did before heading out for work. Grabbing clothes is on DB's mind as he's heading out. Leakage.

In this sentence he acknowledges that he is taking a change of clothes with him, so we know he will be changing his clothes before "a" workout.

"A" is distancing. It's indirect. "For my" workout or "to" workout is purposeful and direct and describes the specific reason he's heading out/why he's going to the gym. "A" workout is indirect and signals something else is in play at the same time that has priority. "A" makes working out secondary.

He introduces "to shower". "To" answers why. It's also extra information. We can assume that he would want to shower after working out, so why say he was going to shower at home. In my opinion, "to shower" is perfectly placed. "When" is a conjunction that takes two events (verbs) and puts them together to make one event. Shower is on DB's mind, but it is out of place/perfectly placed. Going home to shower gave him an alibi for not being the last person to see Amanda alive. He said he had to change his clothes before working out (grabbed my gym clothes), did he shower in-between the changing of clothes? Deception indicated.

In fairness, no one can say what he was wearing when he left the house. We can only take him at his word and say he was not wearing gym clothes. I wonder if the gym's video camera would show DB arriving to the gym already wearing his gym clothes or "clean" clothes. I don't think there are video cameras in the change room, for obvious reasons. I wonder, though, if there was anyone in the gym at the same time as DB and whether they could say whether he took a shower (before he worked out).

Clothes is definitely sensitive, and two things are certain. DB didn't arrive to the gym bloody (LE would have seen it on camera as he signed in,) and Taylor wasn't seen bloody as he was walking through the neighbourhood, either.

jmo

Truth lover said...

Why does he keep specifying that he reckoned she'd just slipped in the kitchen? He's making a big thing of it. Wouldn't a truthful person just say "I assumed she'd had an accident, I always thought of "murder" as something that happens to other people" or something like that.

Truth lover said...

I think that he's drawing attention to bring in Israel because it's a religious location, and makes himself look important

Truth lover said...

Anonymous, I agree with that theory, and agree it would be a charade to pretend to be meeting them and saving them. I think that's why he claimed he wanted to show them Jesus in such a non-commital way with loads of "honestly's" and extra words - because he wants to make himself look saintly by expressing the intention to do so, but knows it would be risky to really do it. He could never get the thugs to play along, as there would be nothing in it for them. They would expose Davey. That's why he was saying (paraphrasing) "God knows how I would do it" (going to meet and evangelise to the thugs) - because he knows it will never really happen.

Nic said...

Hey Jude said:

Nic, she was closed into a bedroom, as I recall. I don't have any links to verify. At the press conference the police showed a photo of her and said she had greeted them in a friendly manner.

April 27, 2016 at 11:27 PM


Interesting. I wonder if she was closed into a bedroom after DB arrived home?

From Amanda’s Instagram acc’t:

“Little Mel literally never leaves me.”
https://www.instagram.com/p/SBJkU6r6Ux/

IMO, even if Mel ignored Amanda’s acute emotional response to a home invasion and the violence that befell her, and be “friendly” to the threat, according to Amanda, she would stay with her. Ergo be bloody from laying down with her mama.

jmo

Karl said...

In Davey's description of the perfect timing of Amanda's death, it seems like Davey is bragging. I can't explain why I think this. It sounds more like a plan that turned out successful, in his view, than a chance occurrence.

Truth lover said...

Perry fancies the pants off of Davey. It's unexpected for a straight man to be waxing lyrical about another man's beauty when it's not relevant.

Truth lover said...

I think in that situation an innocent husband would be so shocked that it might not occur to him how the injuries were caused. However, an innocent husband would describe exactly what he saw to the 911 operator, in order to get the correct first aid advice, and to get the paramedics here quickly. The 911 operator would have then asked questions to determine what kind of injuries they were and how they happened, and would have quickly come to the conclusion that police were needed. The only way this didn't happen is if 1) Davey was withholding information, or 2) the 911 operator was the most incompentant emergency call operator on the planet. I'm going with 1) !

Nic said...

As per Amanda's Instagram acc't, Mel had a rightful place in the family home. It was not locked away in a bedroom.

https://www.instagram.com/p/TYn62zr6eL/

Bobcat said...

Truth lover,

DB learned at a very early age that his beauty can open doors for him. In one of the earliest posts about Davey, a commenter said their elderly relative looked at a photo of DB, and said "someone told him once that he was pretty, and he never forgot it" or something like that.

Perry is definitely affected by DB's membership in the "beautiful people" club.

I believe a number of DB's flock/followers are also under the effect of his beauty. He makes them look/feel better just by association. And, of course, he's a friendly pastor, which makes many grant assumptions of his natural "goodness".

-------------

Regarding Mel,

Maybe DB muzzled Mel. I wonder if they owned a muzzle, or if one appeared with the dog things after the event. It wouldn't be unusual to own one, would it?

I also think Mel knew her place in DB's pack, and was well trained to do exactly as commanded by him. His old 2006-2008 blog writings may indicate a history of cruelty to animals and fire-setting (both pathological indicators). He used the phrases "whipped puppy" and "chasing rabbits...with blowtorches"

Hey Jude said...

Nic - I think (can't verify, but it was discussed earlier on) that on that day, Mel had been shut into a bedroom,whereas normally she was with Amanda in the house, or in a crate in the garage - Amanda worked on her furniture restoration in the garage. If she had been with Amanda then the police photo would most likely have shown blood on the dog, so they would not have shown it at the press conference - most dogs would at least have nuzzled around trying to rouse an owner who had been still for so long.

Jen said...

I am still trying to put my finger on what bugs me about Davey. It just occurred to me that it is the language he uses in different situations. Without specific examples, he uses violent imagery in his sermons, and blogs, and interviews but when describing walking into his home, he has no image to conjure up. I would expect to hear what he saw when he walked in the house. Must have been lots of blood, the house in total chaos, the dog barking like crazy, a crying baby (maybe). He just says Amanda was on the floor. That bugs me terribly.

I tend to think he was or still is suffering from PTSD. Whether it is from sexual abuse as a child, or violence as a child, or even a teenager or young adult. Those are two situations where a person would insert violent imagery into their language. I know this from personal experience .

Nic said...

Truth Lover said:
I think that he's drawing attention to bring in Israel because it's a religious location, and makes himself look important


Or he's drawing attention to Israel because he's being deceptive about the kind of trip it was. On one hand he is making it sound like a pilgrimage (Israel) - posting pictures with scripture and documenting the location they're at which happens to be the setting for a bible story. On the other hand we're hearing a pool-side story about DB taking his shirt off and the rest of the boys feeling inferior to his "alpha" physique.

I read reference to DB talking about a woman on the trip and a moment they shared. (They weren't chatting each up. they were talking about religion. There was no connection there, whatsoever.)

men, wom(a/e)n, bare skin, muscles, pool, water

Yeah, I'm convinced it was just a business trip./sarc

jmo

TJC said...

It's odd to me that Perry would think it was a head wound and that there were text messages going around that it was a head wound... CD said he first thought it was pregnancy related... that would not be her head.

Are we EVER going to get to hear the 911 CALL?????? My goodness, they released Prince's the very same day he was found dead. Something is fishy for sure!!

TJC said...
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Nic said...

Jen said:
Without specific examples, he uses violent imagery in his sermons, and blogs, and interviews but when describing walking into his home, he has no image to conjure up.


Yes, he choose not to address the reality of the situation. Instead he recants a reality he walked into when he returned home to shower. Not that anybody asked him why he was there to begin with. It was his house.

Just saying.

TJC said...

Re: Nic 9:30 AM

Did you see Meg's response.... "Is it weird that I think she kind of looks like Davey in this picture??"

It's weird that you are so obsessed with Davey and don't mind sharing that obsession with his wife. Sick Narc.

TJC said...

I'd like to see the surveillance videos from LA Fitness... did Davey shower there? Because if he did, why would he need another shower at home? Did he do his normal workout that day? Things seemed so rushed for someone who had been up since 4:30am. It also bother me that he said he grabbed his clothes... if you're going to work out and planning to come home to shower, why would you change clothes? You'd wear the clothes you were going to workout in, there and back. This is just normal stuff. Also, would you really sit out in the driveway talking on the phone for so long in sweaty clothes that you just worked out in? Is he taking the clothes, changing in the locker room and then changing back into street clothes to go home without taking a shower??? Who does that?

Bingo3 said...

From Jen:
I tend to think he was or still is suffering from PTSD. Whether it is from sexual abuse as a child, or violence as a child, or even a teenager or young adult. Those are two situations where a person would insert violent imagery into their language. I know this from personal experience .

I absolutely agree with you. Some of us have discussed this in more length in our case discussion group but there have been things he has said that point toward some sort of sexual abuse. And yes his obsession with violence is disturbing. I also think it may have happened at church or at least church growing up for him was not pleasant. There have been many times he talked very negatively about the church he grew up in and that only when he went to Newspring he saw "what church should be like." This has to be quite insulting to his dad since his dad was the pastor/preacher. He is also constantly, saying " I know your not used to being honest in church," "I know your not used to having fun in church."

Bobcat said...

Davey has also mentioned being told "You're not supposed to feel that way!"

as if he was reminded that Jesus died for him - how could he ever be sad about anything

Whatever was done to DB (he gives clues about a possible abuser in his grill story sermon)
whatever feelings he might have tried to express about it
might have been denied expression.

Deception in church was required of Davey.

Bobcat said...

... and he became expert at it.

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 10.55 - maybe they now feel 'called' to community living - it makes sense for Weston's sake, and maybe Davey's best choice if he doesn't want to give Weston up to his grandparents, or to Amber (they may not be able to care for him full time either) - realistically he can't care for a toddler and be the mega-pastor he's intending to be, without a lot of support. Community living is common enough, biblical, and fun for young people (well, so long as there isn't a dominant megalomaniac who makes it all about him, I should imagine). It's interesting that they themselves, are not describing it as a venture in community living, which would seem the obvious way to shush the critics - so, fair enough question, what is it, to them? Davey is a good planner but his PR is abysmal - he didn't think that one out very well.

Anonymous said...

"On the other hand we're hearing a pool-side story about DB taking his shirt off and the rest of the boys feeling inferior to his "alpha" physique."

Do you have a link for ^^^this story^^^ Nic?

Anonymous said...

Nevermind I found it. I thought you meant that Davey said it, but I see it was Perry.

John mcgowan said...

OT:

Warrant: Father-in-law of mom in church murder had bloody shirt

MIDLOTHIAN, Texas -- Four days after a Texas woman was found bludgeoned to death inside a church, her father-in-law brought a bloody shirt to a nearby dry cleaner, according to a police search warrant.

Randy Bevers allegedly told an employee at the Dry Clean Super Center of Midlothian that the shirt had animal blood on it, according to the warrant. Bevers' daughter in law, Terri "Missy" Bevers, was found dead on April 18 in the Creekside Church in Midlothian, about six miles away.

In addition to the shirt, which police described as a women's white long-sleeved shirt, "which is stained with blood," investigators also obtained a receipt which describes the stains as "animal blood red." The warrant allowed investigators to obtain the garment from the dry cleaning business.

But Missy Bevers' husband, Brandon Bevers called the search warrant a "non-issue" in an interview he and Randy Bevers gave to CBS DFW on Wednesday afternoon.

"I wanted to make sure we put this fire out. This is such a non-issue. We wanted to address it fast," Brandon Bevers said.

Randy Bevers says he didn't think twice about taking a bloodstained shirt to the same dry cleaner his daughter-in-law once used.

"Only a person trying to hide something, would have tried to hide something like that," he said.

Randy Bevers told CBS DFW that the blood came from their pet dog Kilo, who was killed in a fight with another dog at a relative's house, where and his wife have been staying since the murder. Randy Bevers said shirts belonging to both him and his wife were stained with the animal's blood when they brought the dying animal to the Animal Emergency Hospital of Mansfield.

The Bevers' said police warned them to expect scrutiny and added that they are not upset about the warrant for the shirt.

"The fact that the person at the dry cleaner had the wherewithal to call the police .... we need that of vigilance," said Brandon Bevers.

Terri Bevers died from a head wound on April 18 as she was getting ready to lead a 5 a.m. fitness class. A person seen in surveillance video wearing what appears to be police body armor broke into the church before she arrived, according to police. The killer used an unknown instrument to strike her in the head, according to a previous police warrant.

Cont..

John mcgowan said...

Cont..

Asked if police ever indicated he was a suspect, Brandon Bevers said it's investigators' job to start by looking at him.

"Well, I'm part of the process of elimination, they start from within and work their way out," Brandon Bevers said.

Brandon Bevers said at the time of the Terri Bevers' murder, he was on an annual fishing trip in Mississippi. He said he turned over to police plane tickets and a car rental receipt that support his alibi.

Police have said they have a list of persons of interest, but no suspects in the case.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/warrant-father-in-law-of-mom-in-church-murder-had-bloody-shirt/

Hey Jude said...

Davey with his new 'faux-hipster' makeover is, I think, seeking to emulate the success of his hero, Levi Lusko, and, being competitive, also to surpass it by any means (Whatever It Takes). An interesting article here on Levi's church and following - written by an atheist who, IMO, makes some salient points:

Skull Church: A Market for Sadism

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2015/03/skull-church-a-market-for-sadism/

---
If Davey does have PTSD - what? There are people who live in a permanent state of PTSD, with one terrible life event succeeding another, yet that doesn't stop them from being able to respond to further shocks in ANY inappropriate way. I'm not understanding.

Anonymous said...

OT

I wonder how many miles Brandon Bevers put on the rental car.

Hey Jude said...

Posting the link is not to endorse the general anti-Christian rhetoric - it's interesting to listen to atheists, and what they believe Christians believe, and how often, it is based on mistaken assumption, or half-digested Bible stories they heard in childhood. Putting aside his angry anti-Christian stance, he still 'gets' Levi Lusko and the mindset.

tania cadogan said...

having tickets and a car rental receipt does not prove he was there. i can buy tickets to something and for whatever reason not turn up.

All it tells them is he had tickets and a car tental.

other evidence from witness, credit card payments, cctv etc can all confirm his alibi.

JMTO said...

I was watching an interview O.J. Simpson did with Greta Van Sustren in 2004 and when she asks him about his children and if they ever ask about their mom, Nicole, he replied with something along the lines of (and I'm paraphrasing)
"Never. They never ask about her, about what happened, they never asked anything about her after the murders."

They never asked ANYTHING in 10 years? Nothing at all?
They just started living like she never was?
I don't buy it from him and I don't buy it from Davey Blackburn.

I think that's his way of making sure he never has to talk about it.

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 12:51

The word 'alpha' is mine based on the impression I was left with after having read the way Perry Noble said the "men" reacted to seeing his physique.


... and we’re just all hangin out by the pool, you know the guys, we’re just hangin out by the pool, and Davey came out and took his shirt off - and all the men put their shirt back on. Like (Perry acts like he’s covering himself up), no, shhhhhoot. . .


just just compares hanging out by the pool with something else
you know persuades, the need to clarify it was the guys hanging out by the pool, separating them from "all"
hanging out by the pool, the activity is leisurely but it is repeated, making it sensitive to "just" hanging out

change in language:

the word "all", becomes "the guys", which then turns into "all the men" after Davey took his shirt off.

"all" didn't put their shirts on after Davey took his off, just "all the men".










Nic said...

@ TJC, I did see it, but I didn't know who it was that posted it. I'm not familiar with all of the church friends, though I'm taking your comment to mean that is who DB is living with now?

TJC said...

@Nic... Megan was the live-in nanny for awhile, intern from when they lived in NC, has an etsy store, loved with the tagline "nothing is wasted" (which just so happens to be the name of her etsy store)... many think there was something going on between her and CD and perhaps AB found out. If anything, she was obsessed with him.

I don't know if he's living with anyone, I doubt it. The church would frown upon that.

Hey Jude said...

Davey's blog: excerpt from 'How is Weston doing?' April 22nd, 2016

'My worship leader, Derek, and his wife, Ashley, live with me now. People have their own opinions about this living situation, but frankly I don’t care about anyone else’s opinion. They don’t have to live this thing out 24/7 like I do. I’ve learned to be very leery of taking advice from people who either (1) have never lived through the situation, or (2) don’t have to live out out the advice with you.

Both Derek and Ashley have helped tremendously in carrying the weight of household responsibilities. They have helped me make our home a haven for Weston. Ashley was Amanda’s very best friend. Her love for Weston and her involvement in his everyday life is something that would make Amanda beam with joy! She does all the cooking for us, she helps keep the house clean, she helps get him to and from places, and she spends time with Weston as if he’s her own. I love seeing this. As affectionate as I am with Weston, it is still so important for him to have consistent female/motherly affection in his life.'

Anonymous said...

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-davey-blackburn-perry-noble-newspring-church-amanda-blackburn-murder-forgiveness-162818/

Hey Jude said...

On meeting with the killers - if he's not arrested, he could approach Dr Phil - he could probably facilitate that.

If he is arrested - he could maybe have a nice little chat with them behind bars, as they all await trial. Though that wouldn't happen, Perry Noble would stand bail for his protege, because, as he said, he believes in him.

Hey Jude said...

That should be 'the killers' - no-one convicted as yet.

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, thanks for keeping up case discussion. I have tried to comment on it but every time I comment on it. my comment just "poof" disappears. Weird. Thanks for sharing the transcripts.

Anonymous said...

It is never a "good time" to lose your mother. I am a grown adult with kids of my own, and I lost mine a year and a half ago.
It was very unexpected, and she was only 63. I am still heartbroken, life will never be the same.
My daughter was 8, my son was 4, my daughter took it very hard, my son was so sad, but I think didn't really understand what a person dying meant. (They were both very close to her).
This just really bugs me. What an insensitive, stupid thing for him to say.

I wonder if maybe they had discussed a divorce, and the "romantic trip" was really a trip to discuss plans for the kids/house/finances, and she perhaps brought up the ages it was "best" for a divorce as far as the children go, like when it least affects them, and he took it this far, (her death, and not a divorce) and his "dream" about her leaving him was no dream.

Weston now has his WHOLE LIFE without his mom. Just pictures, which it seems Davey is hell bent on erasing from his mind. Poor baby.

Bobcat said...

Anon @ 3:53:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-davey-blackburn-perry-noble-newspring-church-amanda-blackburn-murder-forgiveness-162818/

That's an interesting photo.

I think Perry fully understands the SA about DB but is keeping nice until something big breaks. Perry has not changed his story about DB at all. I appreciate how he said "Talk. Tell us what happened." and then silence!

I wonder what his public statement will be if DB gets arrested.

Jen said...

Hey Jude,
That's my point. He did not react with the appropriate response to his wife's violet murder. Why not? He uses violent and inappropriate language and imagery all the time.

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, I can't figure the whole Perry thing. He did change his story a bit on the head wound text and he seems reallllly obligated to explain what he thought it might have been, like a fall in the kitchen. He also seems confused about who sent it. The first time he talks about it, it seems that he is saying someone else sent him a text telling him to pray for Davey and Amanda because she has a head wound. Last week in the blog, he clearly states that it was Davey that sent him the text about Amanda's head wound.

Perry Noble at the funeral:
“and Tuesday, this Tuesday, this past Tuesday - I got a text, and it said pray for, pray for Amanda, and pray for Davey, because Davey just found Amanda on the floor and she’s got a head wound, this is how it was communicated to me, that she’s got a head wound and um, they’ve rushed her to the hospital. And for me, in the world I live in, I’m just gonna let you know, I thought, maybe she’s climbed up on the kitchen cabinet and she was trying to get something and she fell and hit her head, and that’s serious and we need to pray."

Perry Noble on the blog last week:
On November 10, 2015, I got a text from Davey. He said Amanda had gotten a head wound and asked that I keep her in my prayers. I assumed she must have slipped in the kitchen or something"

What do you think?

Bobcat said...

I think Perry probably received texts from multiple people, all saying "head wound" at first, until the real cause of injury was known.

Bingo3 said...

Makes sense Bobcat. I just can't figure what he is doing with Davey. That picture though, is very interesting on Christian Post!

Bobcat said...

Perry's look makes me think of Gordon Gekko:

"I gave you everything!"

Hey Jude said...

Jen - I think Davey can't say what he saw as it is so incongruent with saying he thought it was an accident or a miscarriage, and that he had no idea anyone had been inside his house - the 'reality' is that which he wants to avoid addressing, because it was so obviously a crime scene. He didn't think that one through either, he would have had more enjoyment, especially as time went on, in relating the reality than just saying he found Amanda lying on the floor - though he has recently added 'face down in a pool of blood' - so he might not be able to resist himself yet. If the three 'guys' who have been charged are convicted, and he's still a free man, he will probably start revelling in the details.

I shouldn't think so badly of him.

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Bobcat - I agree, Perry is not convinced of Davey.

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Whoever - I don't believe PN he is, or would be interested in greasing any palms to keep LE from looking at Davey - whoever suggested that, bad form. He liked Amanda, and was shocked by her murder; naturally he wants to think the best of Davey, and would be mortified to have one of his protégés turn out to be quite such a bad advertisement for his brand. It must be playing on his mind; he gave Davey the opportunity to speak at Newspring, I think mainly in order to be able to publicly ask, - 'what happened?' - he is sure to read here.

We may not care for their way of being church, their spirituality, or the money-making, but that does not make Perry Noble complicit in any crime Davey may have committed, or willing to cover for him. I think he is probably as dissatisfied as anyone, wants to be sure of the truth for Amanda's sake, and has tried by using his available means, despite that it will not reflect well on him if Davey is found to be involved. I think he does want to believe in him, but not at any cost. Credit where it's due, he asked him the golden question, 'What happened?' He has the same access as everyone else to all Davey's media appearances, and to what he has said so far - he still asked him, despite already knowing what supposedly happened. He flattered Davey, backtracked somewhat on 'Crazy Davey', then asked what he could - Davey did not miss that; how much would anyone want to tangle with Davey live online? - plus they were in church, sort of. It's one thing to make fun, quite different to cast such dark aspersions upon him (and upon LE).

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Bit of a rant, sorry about that.



Hey Jude said...

Bingo - maybe the text was a generic message from 'Resonate Church' sent to many people, and only more recently has PN established that it was Davey who wrote and sent it.

Anonymous said...

Davey even copies the wardrobe of Levi Lusko. What is up with wearing the denim jacket whilst speaking before the church?

Look at their pics:

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-davey-blackburn-perry-noble-newspring-church-amanda-blackburn-murder-forgiveness-162818/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danthropology/2015/03/skull-church-a-market-for-sadism/

They also share similar stories, trying to capitalize on a death. Sociopaths they appear to be!

Bingo3 said...

Hey Jude, I agree with you and Bobcat now about the text that is was most likely just some confusion. How could you even begin to wrap your mind around that day especially when DB was calling it a head wound and then he hears a little later she was actually shot.

TJC said...

@ Hey Jude...
They live with him now? So he moved into a new home and they moved in?

Anonymous said...

FYI... CD is shutting down his personal fb page, so if there's anything you want, you better get it now.

Hey Jude said...

They're a variation on the suit and tie/cosmetic surgery enhanced 'prosperity' teaching evangelist couples of the 1980s - except the women are 'in their place', rather than giving the talks. They dress so as to be 'cool' and 'in touch' with the younger audiences they attract. They are primarily talk (or talked at) shops, with some feel-good songs, so does it matter what they wear? I don't recognise what they do as 'church' - more like meetings held by touring evangelists, big audiences, an altar call - casual gatherings. It's church to their understanding, I just wish the theology was not so abysmal - I suppose there must be more on offer than a weekly altar call, as it would become hackneyed after a while.

The obvious danger where the focus is the pastor/preacher is that it's always just one step away from becoming a personality cult even if it started out as an authentic attempt to be church. Strange mix, I should think a fair bit of exploitation of good-hearted, well-intentioned people like Amanda, by some who would be sharks in whatever occupation they chose, though of course, they do not choose - they claim, and sometimes believe, they are 'called' and 'chosen' by God, which sets them apart from the hoi polloi, and can lend them a certain mystique. Manipulation, self-delusion, sometimes a sincere will to be used by God - whatever, there are always some sharks in the pool.

Does Newspring give away a great deal of its income, or is it used to expand the empire and further the income? Does it raise a lot of funds tor overseas aid and to help children in deprived areas? I must look more at what they do, and who benefits from the income, besides the church leaders.

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It's interesting that Davey attended NewSpring for four years while in college, and after that, he and Amanda worked there for three years; it's reasonable to surmise that he knew very well what he wanted for himself by the time they left for Indiana. I also noticed how,when he was asked about how he met Amanda, he avoided saying that he had ever loved her. It really does seem, from his own words, that he found her a convenient girl to marry, to further his career, and to enable him to continue hanging out with his best buddy, who married Amber.


snap said...

"Interview" = "Church" with Perry UNnoble

This is a church BRAND

Like (but lacking some of the traditional charismatic elements and humble laying of of hands) Oral Roberts and Joel Osteen (no real degree nor real training) who both had dads to show them the carnival ropes (yes-- many other examples out there; these families are just the most similar to Davey's own) and provide and existing platform. Prosperity teachers that like to bend it like Beckam and lack any understanding standing really beyond those necessary for the charisma-attained dollar.

TELL PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.

These folks are more EMOTIONALLY charged and sorta human and relate-able COOL than a traditional, structured, ritualistic, and often overly cerebral and BORRING church church most of us who went to church experienced. COOL. Church is COOL. They tell us what we want to hear.

This new brand of church is like:

Crack versus Pepsi
Lucky Charms versus Oatmeal
Mr Cool versus Mr suit and robes.

It is sexy. Watered down; contradictory (Who prays against god's will- what kind of bull shit is that? That is more pagan than the pagans. See: "Perry Noble Interview"- other examples of lack of true belief are also shown) It is not good for the soul; but good for business

This is a brand of charismatic "religion" that does not even offer healing snake oil in exchange for the bucks, or the laying on of hands, or interesting voices.

This shit is like some reverse anti-apolistic, charismatic without the tongues, but pass that basket around 'til she is full full full, boys.

Maybe I just wish my abs, teeth, hair and skin color were ever that good.

Hey Jude said...

Yes, TJC - that's what I was going on about earlier in the thread - I assumed everyone knew as it was already discussed on an earlier thread. Davey has the old house for sale (complete with new hardwood living room floor) and he has moved in with the Barretts, to a new house. I'm just saying HE has moved in with them to annoy him. According to him, THEY are living with him - but as they are the couple, it is actually he who is living with them, regardless of who is paying the rent or mortgage, cos that's how it goes.. Lol.:) Wrong to wind up a grieving widower, I know.

Hey Jude said...

Lol, Snap.

flightfulbird said...

Hey Jude said...
"I also noticed how,when he was asked about how he met Amanda, he avoided saying that he had ever loved her. It really does seem, from his own words, that he found her a convenient girl to marry, to further his career, and to enable him to continue hanging out with his best buddy, who married Amber."

April 28, 2016 at 8:48 PM
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I think every time Davey has talked about how he met Amanda, it has been in the context that he and GAVIN wanted to continue to be able to cruise together and the only way to do that was for each of them to get married to girls who were great friends (or sisters - look how that worked out. . . ).

Anonymous said...

On March 8 CD took Weston to the zoo with Ashely Barrett (wife of his worship leader and who he and Weston are living with) and..... Megan (etsy nanny). She is still around.

snap said...

Maybe "breaking the news" to Davey about the miraculous birth of their 2nd baby was about coinciding date with the pre-planned miraculous Israel trip.

TJC said...

@Hey Jude

Yes, I knew the house sold and he moved, but the way it was worded made it sound like he bought a new house and then they moved in with him.... not, he and Weston moved in with the Barretts. Just wanted to figure out which was which. :)
I'm actually the one (or one of the ones) who made the comment about the "brand new hardwood floors" in the listing. lol And also how seeing Weston's crib gone but other decor still in his room was so hard to look at. :(

flightfulbird said...

Which is it ! I always got the impression that DAVEY bought this fantastic new house, moved his bookcase in and posted the humblebrag about all of his books in the new house (asking what does it say about himself that he set up his bookcase and books first in the new house) - and then the Barretts moved in with him.

Hey Jude said...

Anon @ 8.18 - there's nothing I want from Davey's FB. :)

Flightful - it's so sad. I try to think the best of him, but he doesn't help. Every day Amanda is on my mind. Even if he isn't involved, Amanda's short life was not the life she should have had. One of the very few times Davey has shown any emotion was on one of the videos with Amanda's father - he filled up because he knows the loss is devastating to Amanda's family, and that they loved and welcomed him, while he was only using Amanda. He not only didn't care for Amanda, he abused her, yet he still eats at their table - what type of liar is he? The sort who meets and holds their gaze, I'll bet, so they don't know - they don't quite know what is or isn't true, but they want to believe in him, for Amanda's sake. It makes me nauseous, I don't know how they can bear to be in his company, nor how really, they are bearing their pain - I need a break.



Anonymous said...

I'm not on facebook, but, wanted to try to see Davey's page, if possible. Ironically, there's a different Davey Blackburn with his profile and banner photos of Perry Noble:

https://www.facebook.com/davey.blackburn.75

-L

Hey Jude said...

I don't know who moved in first, I was just trying to annoy Davey - he's bound to be keeping tags on Shoelint Bobcat and all the Scum of the Earth. :)

Anonymous said...

According to the article I had read, 911 has confirmed 2 failed calls. One lasted 20 seconds and the other 30 seconds . I'm thinking that they must have been left on hold. 911 says they are overworked and understaffed and received an invitation like 72 calls during that same time. After they couldn't get a human on the line during the 2nd call they Gabe up and drove the baby to the hospital thinking it would be faster. (hope)

Bobcat said...

Hey!

I resemble that comment. 8)

The humor is nice, but this tragedy is still awful.

I will be going offline soon for a week or so.

flightfulbird said...

I am already looking forward to your return Bobcat, I really appreciate your thoughts and posts along with everyone else who is posting here.

lynda said...

Nic said,
"men, wom(a/e)n, bare skin, muscles, pool, water

Yeah, I'm convinced it was just a business trip./sarc"

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Good pick up Nic!

John said,
"Brandon Bevers said at the time of the Terri Bevers' murder, he was on an annual fishing trip in Mississippi. He said he turned over to police plane tickets and a car rental receipt that support his alibi

_________________________________

Why is it that the husbands are always "out of town" That's what I would like to know!


CD said,

"As affectionate as I am with Weston, it is still so important for him to have consistent female/motherly affection in his life"

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Why is that? Why all of a sudden it IS SO important for Westin to have consistent female/motherly affection?? He just got done posting a blog about how it does not MATTER that Amanda is no longer around, she was only useful for the oh so important first 15 months but somehow Ashley is more important? What Ashley is doing is oh so important, what Amanda did ended when she was murdered and it is okey dokey with CD cuz Weston is over her. A mom is not important or missed.

Hey Jude said,
"Whoever - I don't believe PN he is, or would be interested in greasing any palms to keep LE from looking at Davey - whoever suggested that, bad form. He liked Amanda, and was shocked by her murder; naturally he wants to think the best of Davey, and would be mortified to have one of his protégés turn out to be quite such a bad advertisement for his brand. It must be playing on his mind; he gave Davey the opportunity to speak at Newspring, I think mainly in order to be able to publicly ask, - 'what happened?' - he is sure to read here.

We may not care for their way of being church, their spirituality, or the money-making, but that does not make Perry Noble complicit in any crime Davey may have committed, or willing to cover for him. I think he is probably as dissatisfied as anyone, wants to be sure of the truth for Amanda's sake, and has tried by using his available means, despite that it will not reflect well on him if Davey is found to be involved. I think he does want to believe in him, but not at any cost. Credit where it's due, he asked him the golden question, 'What happened?' He has the same access as everyone else to all Davey's media appearances, and to what he has said so far - he still asked him, despite already knowing what supposedly happened. He flattered Davey, backtracked somewhat on 'Crazy Davey', then asked what he could - Davey did not miss that; how much would anyone want to tangle with Davey live online? - plus they were in church, sort of. It's one thing to make fun, quite different to cast such dark aspersions upon him (and upon LE). "
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Jude, I wasn't the one who implied Perry Noble greased some palms but I did say that PN is probably bankrolling CD to some extent. This is a multi million dollar industry and PN is betting CD can bring in even more money so it would be of no consequence to him if he paid for CD's makeover.PN is waiting for the payoff. The payoff being TV, MOVIES, BOOKS, etc. Do I think PN greased some palms...probably not but it would not surprise me if he did. Before the murder, it was well known that that PD was corrupted beyond belief which led to the whole upper eschelon of LE being let go, and new people coming in. PN has no problem with CD as we all nknow so he would be just as likely to do whatever it took to make sure Davey became a cash cow. Interestingly, PN refuses to be an "honest" church as he will not release what he received in salary from the Diosece.



flightfulbird said...

I've been watching and transcribing some of the NewSpring video this afternoon/tonight. Just some thoughts to share in a few different posts -

At 22:40 into the video, while he’s talking about 23rd psalm - he is sort of twisting the words to make it so that “the Lord” instigated or led them into Amanda’s death when he says "so maybe the Lord leads us into the valley of the shadow of death sometimes. . . "

And then moments later he says this (which goes along with what he says later on about forgiving “these guys” and don’t sit there and think wow, he’s incredible . .
.
'You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies’ . . .
then
"HOW AWESOME of a dude are YOU - if you’re sitting down to dine in the presence of your enemies, right? (as he grins and looks back and forth to see if people are nodding their approval). I mean like Liam Neeson awesome !. . . .and that’s a dangerous person that doesn’t fear their enemies, k, so in MY situation, my enemies are not the guys that killed Amanda. My enemy is the enemy Satan that is working to steal, kill and destroy everything about our lives. That’s the enemy. And so what God is producing in me and in you in your suffering is a dangerous spirit to the enemy."


This is me now - if anyone isn't familiar with Liam Neeson, he is the star of the Taken movies (among many others), and yeah he’s awesome. And this whole thing smacks of being scripted. Davey talks about the guys who killed Amanda as NOT being his enemies, yet he's seeking to be the awesome dude who "sits down with them" (forgives them and leads them to the Lord) - he wants to be a dangerous person (and he is, he truly is).

flightfulbird said...

Link to NewSpring video again, just to keep a little piece of it in here. . .

https://vimeo.com/164261879?from=outro-embed

Hey Jude said...

Why does he need a bookcase that size when he only has thirty books? I bet they are all by Perry Noble and Levi Lusko, and Meg is busy beavering away writing 'Davey's Very True Story' at this moment. He could try Primo Levi - move away from all that shallow self-serving crap and grow up.

Will he ever acknowledge the total, tragic waste of Amanda's life, and the absolute horror of her murder? Hashtags don't cut it - it's an insult most dire. All those people cheering them on - how can they not see what is so plain to see? It's as if they all must live in a reality-free bubble - I hope it goes 'pop' sometime soon.

Bobcat said...

The Liam Neeson and Psalm 23 IS scripted. It's an abbreviated repeat of his Overcoming The Valleys Sermon from 2/21/2016.

The same sermon...
(transcribed here: http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/02/overcoming-valleys-sermon-2212016.html?m=1 )

...that Jesus "downloaded" onto DB...
("download" twitter here: http://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/699688193851928576?lang=en )

...and also included the line about an arranged hit.

“I got it, boss. I got it taken care of. I got a guy. Don’t worry."

Anonymous said...

New humblebrag:
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/725818373439913984?lang=en

Hey Jude said...

Lynda - I'm sure Perry Noble would willingly bankroll Davey for profit - so long as he can believe in him. He's probably going through something of an ethical dilemma - well, maybe not, depending on his ethics. I think if he suspects Davey is a murdering sociopath, he would not take the chance, and would want to see justice for Amanda. Early days - he does not need to act in haste - if he is supporting him or Resonate, I'd think it most likely an interim thing while the case goes on. It would be a disaster to go all out for Davey, and then have everything come crashing down if he were arrested. I also think Davey would not need NewSpring if he was looking for a book or movie deal - and he'd maybe prefer to go his own route as he doesn't much like being PN's subordinate - Davey is a user - I think if he doesn't need PN, he would do those things without him. He could do a book tomorrow - movies - there is not enough of a story unless Davey killed Amanda, and if he did, he wouldn't be the one to benefit from a movie - it would be Phil and Robin.

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Bobcat - enjoy your break.

Flightful - thanks for the transcript,

I'm going for a day or two now, too, as I am making too many posts, and I need to do some 'real life' stuff - I doubt I can stay away for long, and will look forward to catching up with whatever I might miss. I'll probably still read, even if I don't post.





Hey Jude said...

Snap - you need to behave. :-/

:) I know where you are coming from, don't think it's necessarily wise to go there.

Anonymous said...

Run towards the roar is yet another catchphrase from Levi Lusko.

CDs speech is a mishmash of hackneyed cliches and poorly interpreted scripture. Oh and sex and violence. What does SA say about the continual use of other people's words as if they were your own?

Run toward the roar Davey, but only if it's a speeding train.

flightfulbird said...

Could one of those individuals around the table be Meg aka Etsy Nanny in the humblebrag tweet?

Speaking of Twitter, I hated it when Davey refers to Amanda as @amandagrace on social media instead of "Amanda" or "my wife".

Concerned said...

Before you start to think Perry Noble is an ethical man, be sure to read all the articles on www.pajamapages.com.
Perry and NewSpring did their best to ruin this respected professor's life and interfered with his family's adoption of a child.
Fortunately they were sued and eventually settled out of court.

PN insisted that he too had a direct face-to-face with God where he was told that the Ten Commandments were not actually commands but were mere "suggestions". He later said he got the info from a "teacher" in Israel who actually turned out to be his tour guide. Thankfully, (I suppose) he was not naked in the shower.

This is not a good man and you can be sure he and Davey are cut from the same cloth. Making money and therefore, gaining power over people is their game and we haven't seen the last or the worst of them yet. Yet another of their type "preacher" was kicked out of his St. Louis pulpit recently. How many more must be fooled before it happens to PN and DB?!

All this, of course, is my humble opinion, friends.

Concerned said...

Anon at 11:25
I don't think Davey has an original thought in his little jellyrolled head.
Maybe his tight clothes are cutting off the oxygen to his brain.
He will always have to borrow words from others.

Bobcat said...

That looks like Meg left of the empty seat aka DB's left-hand-woman.

If she's not cleaning up his blog writing, then he's copying other blogs and inserting his own situations.

flightfulbird said...

More random thoughts from watching the NewSpring video today -

At 10:35 into the video Davey says that "God clearly called us there" (he and Amanda to Indianapolis) "so THIS WHOLE THING (caps mine) is part of God’s plan and God’s story for our life, to advance His kingdom."

He said just before that (time 10:20) that “after November” he would’ve given up (on the church) if he hadn’t known for sure that they had been called to Indy. After “November” - instead of "after Amanda was killed", "after we lost Amanda", or however else he could’ve referred to that time in his life - then says at 11:20 “…and.our church doubled again after Amanda’s death because I think people were just lookin on going why does this church have so much hope and and who is this God that they're worshiping through the most tragic event of their, of their existence and their life, and so. . . “

At 11:45 into the video - it’s still super obvious how stressed Davey is during the “walking through the morning of November 10th” part of his talk, compared to the rest of it. He gets in a mention of the gym (twice), he says “honestly” more than once, stammering and looking all around.

At 14:08 - “And so, we just sat around her, her bed and we worshipped and we said Lord, um, you give and take away, and um, if, if, if your kingdom can be built, um, uh, better and bigger, and if people can be impacted by this, you know it’s kinda like Jesus in the garden of Gesthemane. Not my will, but your will be done. If there’s ANY other way. Right. If there’s ANY other way, please let this cup pass for me, but, it’s not, not our will but yours."

"IF IF IF YOUR KINGDOM CAN BE BUILT, UM, UH, BETTER AND BIGGER, AND IF PEOPLE CAN BE IMPACTED BY THIS" - this is what we are supposed to believe all of them were thinking while they are sitting around Amanda’s bed with her on life support - and then in virtually everything he writes or speaks since then, he’s talking about how many have come to know Christ, how many were baptized, how many lives have been changed because of Amanda’s STORY. At 11:20 he was talking about how the church doubled again after Amanda’s death. . .

At 15:20 - Perry asks Davey to talk to them about how he has been able to navigate through “this season” and Davey once again refers to what happened to Amanda as “this whole process”.

- continued next post -

flightfulbird said...

- continued from last post -

At 20:10 - he references The Hunger Games movie and says Amanda was tensing up the whole time they were watching it together but he wasn’t tensing up, because he had already seen it once and "he knew the end of the story". He said "I know that ultimately, everything’s gonna be alright” - that Katniss was going to come through and everything would be alright. . .

. . . and then he likens that to Christians -"as Christians, we should know the end of the story, we DO know the end of the story, but we go through life tensing up through all of these moments of pain and trial." He says the resurrection gives us the hope that no matter what we go through in life, everything’s gonna be restored on the other side of eternity.

Yeah, Katniss did come through at the end - but she was one of only two out of the twenty-four kids who started the games who lived. All of the rest were killed by each other during the course of the game (that was the whole point, to kill the others first to avoid being killed by them). That’s not exactly a happy ending with everything alright.

Davey is delusional if he thinks all of these people coming into his church compensates in any way for Amanda’s murder. Just because Amanda is in heaven doesn’t mean everything’s gonna be alright. For her, maybe - now that she’s safely there - but things were not alright for her on the morning of November 10th, they’re not alright now for Weston no matter how strongly Davey tries to convince us that he’s fine and doesn’t miss her, they’re not alright for her family and friends who love and miss her.

The only person for whom everything seems to be alright is DAVEY . . . for now. He actually said at NewSpring that "there are a lot of people hurting in deeper ways, even, than I’m hurting."

Really - ya THINK ?! It’s not too high of a bar for a person to hurt more deeply than Davey is hurting. I don’t actually see any hurt exhibited by him at all. It’s all only words, trying to convince us - especially in his blog posts since April 14th.


Hey Jude said...

Concerned - I've read pajamapages, so I know Perry is no saint - even so, I'm not willing to think he would put profit before truth and justice if he thought Davey was involved in Amanda' murder. It will be interesting to see how things develop.

It's a poor show if he won't disclose his salary to the people who support him - he shouldn't have a salary as such, anyway, he should have a stipend - enough to cover life's necessities, and a bit extra, as proper ministers of religion do - he's not a minister of religion though, he's more a showman and collector of tithes. More fool the people - that's probably what he says. I wonder what the tithe rate is, and if they get better seats if they tithe more, and if there is a lot of pressure on people to live 'sacrifiicially' by giving more than really they can afford, when it would be better for them to spend their money on their kids, or give it to a worthy cause.





Anonymous said...



Isn't it police psychology 101 to ask a suspect, "What should happen to the person that committed this crime"?

If a suspect replies "they should be given the death penalty/maximum sentence (or worse)," LE moves along to the next suspect.

But if a suspect replies that "they should be forgiven, it must have been satan working through them, I'd like to share the gospel with them".... Bingo!

flightfulbird said...

The Christian Post writeup from today is interesting to say the least. First the picture of Perry Noble looking at Davey - and then some statements attributed to Davey in the writeup are inaccurate when I compare it to the NewSpring video.

Actually, there are things they wrote that Davey said during the NewSpring interview that I cannot find at all on the video. I've been listening to it straight through and replaying parts again this afternoon and tonight (for hours, sadly). This is copied/pasted as it was written/posted -

"Although Blackburn says he can drive himself insane thinking about the last torturous 45 minutes of Amanda's life, he believes that ultimately she was able to meet with God and see his grand plan in light of all the suffering and evil that occurred.

"Whatever happened to Amanda […] whatever was done to her, when she stepped into eternity, was completely undone," Blackburn told Noble, adding that his wife was able to "see the end of the story" with Jesus.

"I fully believe she looked Jesus in the eye and goes 'Jesus that is brilliant,'" he added.”


Now - HE DID NOT SAY MOST OF THESE THINGS ON THE VIDEO AT NEWSPRING ! The only sentence I can find in the video that remotely compares to this Christian Post quote is at 17:20 into it when Davey said “that I know right now, beyond a shadow of a doubt, whatever was done to Amanda has been completely undone. That she stepped into eternity and was in the presence of, the presence of Jesus the King who is WAY better at justice than I am, is way better at revenge than I am”

and then a few minutes later “When Amanda saw Jesus, for the very first time, he gave her big hug and immediately everything was undone".


There was NOTHING in the entire video where Davey said he believed Amanda was looking Jesus in the eye and going "Jesus, that is brilliant”- or seeing His grand plan. DAVEY sees the grand plan - actually he sees what he wants to see which is whatever supports his own reasoning for why Amanda was murdered.

There was NOTHING said in the entire video about Davey "driving himself insane thinking about the last tortuous 45 minutes of Amanda's life". THAT is something about which some have been commenting - saying Davey has never mentioned how scary or traumatic or painful it must've been for Amanda. NOW he is commenting on it - or is he?

Those statements are not in the video - so did he give the Christian Post an interview and drop these little details into it to have it printed so we can read it - to address our comments? I would find that easier to believe than that the Christian Post took the license to put words into print which Davey never said. At any rate, the writeup implies that he spoke these words during the NewSpring chat and he did not.

I cannot remember a time Davey has EVER addressed what it might’ve been like that morning for Amanda - and he has ALWAYS said she would be on board with what had happened to her if it brought people to “the kingdom” or however he wants to word it. And here are just two posts from the Justice Seekers Facebook page - posts where people are recognizing that it’s all about Davey, how this process is affecting him (and oh yeah Weston is doing great too), how his pain is helping others through theirs.

How many times does he say "I"? Does he ever actually talk about Amanda and the child he lost or is it all about him? He's self-centered, vain, full of hubris. - posted April 25, 5:30pm

Has anyone here heard any words of empathy from Davey for the horror that Amanda his pregnant wife had to endure?? I sure haven't !! I've only heard HIS story! - posted April 26, 6:57pm

He is trying to make us think, now, that he has thought about what it was like for her. Again Davey, too little, too late. You should've been thinking this and saying it back in November already.

Concerned said...

Hey Jude,
Don't quote me on this but I read somewhere that NewSpring requires a 20% tithe from people to become what they call "owners". They strongly encourage people to go through extensive "financial training" where this tithing is emphasized. It would not surprise me if tax returns are required of the "owners".

My understanding from the New Testament (as opposed to the old Jewish 10% tithing law in the OT) is that we are to give sacrificially from the heart with no exact percentage commanded.

I hope someone researches the NewSpring requirements and corrects me if I'm wrong.

We do know this: that huge sums of money are collected, that PN does not reveal (as you said) how much he puts into his own coffers, and that they play fast and loose with scripture to serve their own interests.
We also know that God doesn't appreciate people altering His word and this will turn out badly for those who do.

Anonymous said...

"Jesus the king who is way better at .....revenge than I am". WTF? Revenge?

Concerned said...

flightfulbird,
I've read many articles in The Christian Post where facts were distorted and people were misquoted. Thanks for the direct quotes from the nuthead!
And thanks for your always very thoughtful discussion.

Concerned said...

Anon at 1:22
That "revenge" comment got me too.
Once again, I think Davey was trying to get a laugh. He never stops!

Anonymous said...

Interesting someone brought up the Luskos. I know people who go to their "church" and can't understand it. I tried listening to one of their online sermons once to see what they are about and I was so disgusted, I turned it off after a few minutes.

The Luskos were the first persons to come to my mind after the DB hit the news because the way they reacted to their daughter's death was similar. No time for grief, the show must go on, capitalize on it, use it to advance the brand. I was stunned at the time.

Anonymous said...




http://youtu.be/2MeOA5W00F8


Crazy Davey crunching the numbers in above clip says he expects "statistically" 25 dollars per person in tithes and donations. He is projecting $100,000.00 a month.

I note he mentions "stewarding our resources well" before "stewarding our people well" Order is important.

I also note (or am I imagining it?) his sarcasm and lack of enthusiasm "woohoo" for "you guys....having babies" while still,naturally, taking credit for it.

CD: "We've been doing the Song of Solomon series and you guys have been taking me (not us - pronouns are instinctive) seriously."

Anonymous said...



Does anyone have a link to Davey's statement, "I believe in gun control; if you come into my house, I will control you, with my gun"


Anonymous said...



Even though I was told not to, I'm sitting here, being like, man, he's incredible!

flightfulbird said...

I remember that quote - I saw it when I was watching some of Davey's "sermons" from before the murder so that narrows it down a bit - but I cannot remember exactly in which one it was. He was quite cocky and confident and aggressive when he said it. Interesting comment, with what we know now.

flightfulbird said...

Another NewSpring video quote -

At 34:40 - such drama, with his eyes closed and his hand to his head - Davey says “I’ll never forget. . . a couple weeks after Amanda’s death, getting in my car and my iPod comes on automatically in my car, just that bluetooth feature, and it was the song that was played , um, while Amanda was walking down the aisle. . .and it just happened to be on a playlist, and it was like (makes sound like a bomb blowing up), like this crushing blow to me. . .

It just happened to be on a playlist. . . um. . .

I believe that about as much as I believe that he laid down and wept for three hours (or however long it was) in the exact spot on the floor where he found Amanda.

i believe that about as much as I believe that Davey could drive himself insane thinking about the last 45 torturous minutes of Amanda's life.

Does he somehow know what was going on in the last 45 minutes before he returned to HIS house? Actually, to be accurate, the last 45 minutes of Amanda's life didn't happen at the house - and she was arguably much more comfortable on life support in the hospital than she was at any time during/after the assault before Davey returned home from the gym to shower and found her.

If he was remotely concerned or was thinking about what Amanda would've gone through while being assaulted and shot while he was away, you'd think it would've come up during his media blitz, in the days and weeks immediately following - while it was still fresh and raw. It didn't come up then - not once - but it is coming up now - and we are supposed to believe that he is barely hanging onto sanity and the only reason he isn't insane is because he clearly sees the bigger picture and this all happened for a reason and all things work together for good.

I am unconvinced.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

RECOGNIZE THIS ANYBODY?

1. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 29 Apr 2015

I've begun writing posts to help our church wrestle more w/ what we discuss on Sundays. You can read today's here - http://buff.ly/1bbzcGk

Great People Endure Great Pain
“It is doubtful whether God can bless a man greatly until He has hurt him deeply.” – AW Tozer
This quote from well-known theologian, AW Tozer, has been sinking into my heart deeply as of late. We have so many people in our church who are experiencing REAL PAIN in their lives – loss, hardship, stress, anxiety, depression.

2. daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn Apr 19
New blog post: Great People Endure Great Pain https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/19/great-people-endure-great-pain/
__________________________________________________________
Wake Up People: This is not a new blog post-it’s a revamp from April 29, 2015, not some fresh word or revelation from God about Amanda's murder and Resonate's growth.

John mcgowan said...

Anonymous flightfulbird said...
Another NewSpring video quote -

A couple of points:

Davey says “I’ll never forget. . . a couple weeks after Amanda’s death, getting in my car and my iPod comes on automatically in my car, just that bluetooth feature, and it was the song that was played , um, while Amanda was walking down the aisle. . .and it just happened to be on a playlist, and it was like (makes sound like a bomb blowing up), like this crushing blow to me". . .

"Amanda’s death"

The soft language here could be due to the passing of time. However, it is a consistent theme within his language from day one.

"Getting in my car"

When someone is recalling a past event, we expect the pronoun "I", connecting them to the statement along with past tense language. When past tense language is employed, it increases the likely hood that the subject is telling the truth. Present tense language is deemed unreliable. This is not to say it is not true. It may be due to habit. If this is the case, it should remain consistent.


"Getting in my car"


Along with the present tense language he drops a pronoun, reducing the reliability even further. This now, starts to move towards possible deception. He is NOT connecting himself to "getting in" his car. He is distancing himself Psychologically. If he doesn't tell us he got in his car using verb "I", the past tense, got in, we are not permitted to say it for him.


"And my iPod comes on automatically in my car

Note again he uses present tense language "comes on" reducing reliability, yet remaining consistent.

"just that bluetooth feature"

The word "just is used to compare or to minimise. It can also be time related. Iv'e "just" "left".


"my car" x two

Anything repeated is noted as sensitive. Why would his car be sensitive to him.. Is it because he didn't get in his "car"?. This maybe the reason why he used present tense language. Is it because this is where he heard "the song".? Is it because this is the car he was sitting in, "talking" for 45 minits, while Amanda lay dead in the house?. Is it the same car?


"And it was the song that was played , um, while Amanda was walking down the aisle". .

Note now he uses the correct past tense, "walking" making the previous present tense language even more unreliable. Note also the passive language "the song".

"like this crushing blow to me""

It is only "like a crushing blow" not that it is. Note, too, the aggressive language. Yet it is missing when describing Amandas murder.

The present tense language and dropped pronoun are in relation to his "car". The past tense language is in relation to a song and Amanda "walking down the aisle". The latter i believe to be true, just that he didn't hear it in his "car".

I believe he is playing the sympathy card.

Bingo3 said...

From Flightful:
The only person for whom everything seems to be alright is DAVEY . . . for now. He actually said at NewSpring that "there are a lot of people hurting in deeper ways, even, than I’m hurting."

Flightful, exactly!! Only to Davey is it all A-ok! "Amanda is replaceable to Weston, she is up there sipping drinks on the beach and my church has doubled in size! I am tan, my teeth are whiter than they have ever been and Perry likes my expensive rolled up pants, jean jacket and six-pack that you can wash clothes on!! So let's all Rejoice!

Also,I can't believe Christian Post changed the language! DB has NEVER talked about what Amanda went through! He can't even go there! He has to go straight to the sipping drinks on the beach. He can't even bring up anything actually bad about this. I can't believe this is what most people are going to read and just think he such a hero. What kind of publication is this?

revolfaith.com said...

According to his blog, Davey is now living with his worship leader. The leader's wife does all of his cooking & cleaning & plays part-time mommy & chauffeur to Weston.

Yeah, that's appropriate.

Bobcat said...

April 27 - I commented:

"I've listened to many of DB's sermons and he usually talks about bible characters that happen to be going through situations similar to his own. Moses, Jesus, David, Joseph, Paul... He NEVER talks about women of the bible." (I was corrected that he did talk about Mary on Christmas Eve, and also violence involving Judith and Lot's concubine)

April 29 - DB blogs on Resonate:
http://resonateindianapolis.com/2015/04/great-people-endure-great-pain/?utm_content=bufferc29f1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

He mentions Noah, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, David, Ruth, Paul, Mary, and Jesus. Not only that, but he graphically describes the violence and pain that was inflicted on them.

Seriously, DB. Seriously?

Hey Jude said...

Flightful @ April 29 12.46am - Davey spoke at two gatherings at Newspring - only one is online - the Christian Post quotes probably came from the other session. Pity we can't see that one, too.

Concerned @ April 29 1.21am - They should be able to work out Perry's income from the massive (minimum) 20% he should be honour-bound to return by way of his own tithe. If it doesn't compute with what the rest of the church gives, they should ask lots of questions. I read they don't care about his salary, he's worth it, whatever it is - they seem highly suggestible, and easily satisfied - more fool them, and let the good times roll for Perry and White Lucretia, if she's allowed out of the Mansion, and if that's what they want - in twenty years time they might see how easily suckered they were.

Jo said...

What always strikes me when I watch his sermons or look at the Resonate website is how the lighting and photography are so aesthetically pleasing. That must cost a fortune. You'd never know he was preaching from a public school auditorium. It's all part of the show...he is just so creepy to me. And this last round of interviews and publicity seems even creepier to me, if that's possible. He is so insincere, devoid of emotions...

lynda said...

He himself, IS a void

Hey Jude said...

Peter wrote:

"Honestly, Perry, I know this sounds crazy and I honestly don’t know how I’m gonna do it outside of the, the grace of God, but I really hope I get the opportunity to share the gospel with these guys. I really do. I honestly have no idea how I’m gonna do it…"

Question for the reader/analyst:

Does the subject (Davey) have plans to meet with the killers? Is there plans in the making, including what will be said?

----

I can't tell either way. It seems from the 'honestly' and 'really' that he doesn't honestly and really intend to meet with them, but the 'I don't know' might indicate that he does know, and the 'I honestly have no idea' - might indicate that he does have an idea.

What does it mean when someone says 'I know this sounds crazy' - if I say that, I mean whatever it is it may sound unbelievable, and seem unlikely, but it is true - or, more accurately that I consider it to be true - my perception is not always correct, even if I think it is.

I think when he says 'outside of the grace of God' what he means is that he could not meet with them outside of the grace of God, only within the grace of God. Interesting hesitation/stumble on 'the,the grace of God' - does he doubt the grace of God is at work within his own life? He could have chosen to say he would only be able to do it 'within the grace of God'. It's a subtle difference, but I am not sure if it means he is putting himself, or any possible meeting, outside of the grace of God.


lynda said...

In 2014, Newspring took in 64,297,000 tithing. Out of that they gave 3,819,908 to missions. So about 5% ONLY went to missions, while 11,000,000 yes, 11 MILLION, went to feed staff. So the staff going out to eat totals 11 million a year! Wth? According to the following reddit thread, Perry browbeats people into tithing more and more or bad things will happen to them, or “Maybe there would be less homosexuality in the world today if there were less greedy Christians who actually cared enough to tithe and spread the gospel."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/35lnij/pastor_perry_noble_caught_fearmongering_for_your/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1y3i4x/newspring_church/

Anonymous said...

New post:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/04/blackburn-on-fox-news-i-had-no-idea.html

Anonymous said...

About not releasing the 911 tapes, maybe they have to keep them to protect themselves from being sued, or using the wrong protocol on this call. They had a victim of a violent crime, and sent a fire truck. The police being called later by the paramedics(?) put everyone there at risk because the place was not cleared of someone hiding in there with a gun. I think they want to see what went wrong because that is a no no to send fire, paramedics, family into a potentially dangerous situation. And they didn't seem to know there was a child in there that was potentially at risk too!

flightfulbird said...

Anonymous at 9:43pm said
"They had a victim of a violent crime, and sent a fire truck."

! ! !

I like this - this sums it up for sure. And why did they only send a fire truck and not anyone to investigate a violent crime?

Because the individual who made the 911 call gave no indication whatsoever to the 911 dispatcher that there was a need for anything EXCEPT for medical support.

Anonymous said...

He's dismissive of Amanda's role in Weston's life. Sure, she gets a token "good job" for laying the foundations, but from here on out he wants the world to know Amanda isn't on Weston's mind or in his heart; he only misses Daddy!
Weston misses his mom, there's no way he doesn't.

Nic said...

John @ 5:07

I will play the sympathy card.

DB does not broast cast the title of the song...

Fore it meant something to him....

Anonymous said...

I'm glad that woman is no longer in your friend's life. What a damn nerve to ask him to remove visual reminders of the woman he loved and mother of their child! That's appalling!
I hope he finds a good woman who will honor the deceased mother's memory.