Sunday, April 10, 2016

University of Wisconsin-Madison Investigate Sexual Assault Claim

University of Wisconsin-Madison police said a first-degree sexual assault was reported near the Memorial Union late Friday. The victim told police that sometime between 10 p.m. and 10:40 p.m., three unknown men held her down against her will with a knife and sexually assaulted her.
The victim was unable to provide a detailed description of the suspects, according to the report.


29 comments:

lynda said...

Uh oh...the infamous liars number

Rose said...

She cannot provide descriptions? Three? I do not even need to know anything else - this is a hoax.

Anonymous said...

I think 3 attackers IS possible, but not being able to provide any details about any of them? Combine the "3" and the fact she can't give any identifying info on her attackers is what makes this attack sound unlikely. I hate second-guessing reports of sexual assault because there has to be times when an account sounds unlikely but is true nonetheless. However, there's no evidence that any assault took place at this point.

Hey Jude said...

It's not clear if that is how the woman related it, or if that is how the police are describing it, as there are no actual quotations. Who said 'unknown' and 'against her will'?. If it was the woman, it would already be assumed by the listener that it was against her will to be held down by three men who had a knife - there would be no need to say it, so that would be unexpected. Also, three men cannot hold a knife, only one can hold a knife. Why 'unknown' ?- that would be assumed too, unless she said she knew or recognised them. Still, without knowing whose description it is, whether it was added to, reworded, by police and/or reporter, I would not rush to an opinion. Three rapists are possible - three of anything is possible, but it is also a figure which features when people lie. If she has all her senses, one woukd expect some description, even if only of age estimate, speech, accent, colour, hair length, any smell - alcohol, tabacco, sweat, garlic, cologne - clean or less so; three men can't not have at least some trace of odour amongst them. Fabric - leather, denim, fleece - there would be something. It does not say she did not provide any description at all - she was unable to provide a detailed description, so she may have said one of those things.

Hey Jude said...

To avoid confusion - my definition of rape:

http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Definitions/1400008450549/1400008450549

As there were three, allegedly, and a knife, allegedly, I would presume their intentions were serious.

Anonymous said...

Jude, you're good at this SA stuff. ��

Anonymous said...

THUMBS UP!

John mcgowan said...
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John mcgowan said...

OT:

Police hunting ‘shoeless drunk’ who snatched ‘angel’ baby
Police are searching for the shoeless man who allegedly snatched 15-month-old Sanaya Shaib from her pram before murdering her.


The little girl’s body was found in a creek in Heidelberg West at 2.45am yesterday, nearly 17 hours after her mother Sofina Nikat, 22, reported a “shoeless stranger smelling of alcohol” had abducted Sanaya.

Nikat said she was pushing Sanaya’s pram in Olympic Park, a popular area in Melbourne’s North-East when the man – described as being of African appearance, between 20-30, 6ft tall and dressed in all black – approached and snatched the baby, described by Nikat’s brokther Habib Ali as “an angel”

“She was a very cute, a very good little girl,” Ali told the Herald Sun. “Her mother is devastated. It’s very frightening.”

Nikat said she chased her baby’s abductor for a while, but couldn’t catch him so returned to her home with her empty pram to contact authorities.

Police visited Nikat’s nearby home yesterday, searching for clues to the little girl’s death. Detectives went through rubbish and searched the home, and are attempting to get access to the CCTV footage of a number of homes in the area that might provide information about what happened.

They also searched the home of Nikat’s brother.

Nikat was escorted away in an unmarked police car but police stressed she wasn’t being arrested but removed for “welfare purposes”.

Police say the only confirmed suspect was the alleged abductor, but said police were keeping an open mind.

Detective Senior Sergeant Stuart Bailey said local parents should be extra vigilant.

“This is obviously extremely concerning for Victoria Police if this is a random abduction,” he said.
We think it’s completely random at this point in time.

We need to be careful and alert, given what’s taken place at this present time.”

http://www.aww.com.au/latest-news/news-stories/police-hunting-shoeless-drunk-who-snatched-angel-baby-26456?adbsc=social_20160410_60364716&adbid=10153722272813621&adbpl=fb&adbpr=349591763620

John mcgowan said...

More on the above OT:

Uncle of a toddler found dead in creek says her unknown killer is a coward
Fifteen-month-old Sanyana Sahib was found in Darebin creek in Melbourne early on Sunday morning, after her mother said she was grabbed from her pram


The uncle of a Melbourne toddler who was found dead in a suburban creek after being snatched from her pram has branded her unknown killer a coward.

Fifteen-month-old Sanyana Sahib was found in a shallow, reedy section of Darebin creek early on Sunday morning, about 17 hours after her mother said she was grabbed from her pram in a park.

“She didn’t deserve it … such a cute little kid … whoever done it, shame on him, he’s a coward and … shouldn’t have done what he had done,” her uncle, Habib Ali, told reporters outside his West Heidelberg home on Monday.

Sanaya’s mother Sofina Nikat, 22, told police Sanyana was snatched from her pram at Olympic Park about 10am on Saturday by a man who smelt of alcohol and was not wearing shoes.

Nikat said she was pushed to the ground by the man of African appearance who ran off with her daughter towards a nearby shopping centre. She said she gave chase, but raced home to alert police once she realised she could not catch him.

Sanyana’s body was found by another family in the neighbourhood, who volunteered to search after hearing the child was missing.

Ali said his sister was hysterical over her daughter’s death and was being cared for by social workers at another location.

Cont..

John mcgowan said...

Cont..

“She’s quite disturbed and shocked and she’s crying a lot,” he said. “My entire family is in grief and shocked and we just don’t know what to do.”

He said the police were doing a great job and the family believed justice would be served.


“They didn’t take much away, a bit of clothes and things,” he said.

Ali said the family had not received the autopsy results and did not know what had happened to his niece.

“It is very frustrating and whoever is out there, whoever has done it, I hope he is caught as soon as possible and dealt with.”

He thanked the family who found his niece’s body and asked for his family to be left to grieve in peace.

Earlier, assistant commissioner Stephen Leane was asked whether people should be worried that a potential killer was on the loose.

“We’ve certainly got more police out in that area – out at Heidelberg and around the parks – today and probably for the rest of this week just to reassure the community that we are there and that we’re taking every step we can to keep the community safe,” Leane told 3AW.

Four childcare centres within 2km of the park told Guardian Australia they would review their usual security provisions, but said no parents had voiced concerns about a potential threat to their children.

Fairfax radio host Tony Jones said the apparent calm did not make sense.

“As it stands now we have got a kidnapping, murdering madman on the run,” he said. “And it’s something that we should be screaming from the rooftops, there should be some sort of hysteria in this town at the moment. But I’m not sensing any of that – are you sensing any of that?”

Flowers, teddy bears and messages were left near the creek-bed, bearing messages of support for Sanaya’s family. The Banyule city council mayor, Craig Langdon, said the community was “grieving greatly” and wanted “an explanation that we could relate to”.

“A random act would be a terrifying thing for all of us … that would be the worst outcome,” he told ABC radio on Monday. “It would be a tragic loss to any family but to find a child like that in the Darebin Creek ... I can’t imagine what they are going through,” he said.

Detectives have scoured the crime scene, retraced the steps of the girl’s mother and searched the Ali home where the mother and daughter had been staying on a visit.

They declined to comment on the case on Monday.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/apr/11/uncle-of-a-toddler-found-dead-in-creek-says-her-unknown-killer-is-a-coward

tania cadogan said...
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John mcgowan said...

Paramedics treated murdered toddler Sanaya Sahib a week before death

Snipped:

AN ambulance was called to treat murdered tot Sanaya Sahib just a week before her shocking death, her grieving uncle has revealed.

The 15-month-old was treated for a “seizure” when paramedics attended the Heidelberg West home on Sunday, April 3.

It comes as a post mortem reveals the little girl died of smothering.

Her mother, Sofina Nikat, who says a shoeless stranger smelling of alcohol snatched her beloved baby, was last night staying with social workers at an undisclosed location.

She was said to be in a “hysterical state of mind”.

Homicide squad detectives have examined hours of CCTV but it is understood no evidence of the mystery man has been found.

The Herald Sun understands paramedics aired concerns the episode was triggered because the youngster had been smothered, causing her to fit due to a lack of oxygen.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/paramedics-treated-murdered-toddler-sanaya-sahib-a-week-before-death/news-story/dc80cb991351f812e52aa876bbd6e63e

Anonymous said...

John, the uncle spoke about the baby in past terms before her body was found, and all his statements have red flags since. I expect he will be arrested.

John mcgowan said...

Hi Anon @ 9:08

Do you have his initial statement, before she was found dead.

tania cadogan said...

Hi John I read about the case and i thought it sounded suspicious then.
A shoeless man smelling of alcohol (drunk)? i think they need to be looking at the mom.
Why are baddies almost always described as being dressed all in black?
If he was smelling of alcohol and carrying her child how was he able to run away and her not being able to catch up with him?

Nikat said she was pushed to the ground by the man of African appearance who ran off with her daughter towards a nearby shopping center. She said she gave chase, but raced home to alert police once she realized she could not catch him.
Oh Dear, did she not have a cell phone on her which she could have used to call LE?
Was there no one else around who she could have yelled at for help to catch the Alleged abductor or at least to call LE?
Why did she race home to call LE and not into the shopping Center where there would have been phones, possibly even security men?
Did he go into the shopping center and she decided to run home to call LE?

Where is the creek in relation to the park she was allegedly snatched from?
What about CCTV?
The fact Sanaya was seen by paramedics the week before is a red flag.
Did she have repeated visits to doctors for health issues?

As it stands, I wonder if the mom has mental health issues or couldn't cope.
Her story isn't believable as it currently stands.

The obligatory random black man dressed 9in bad guy black (is there a shop that bad guys go to to buy the latest in criminal clothing?)
No mention is made of anyone else being in the park from the mom and the police don't seem to be concerned about a stranger abduction.
According to the mom in the statement above it was just her and her daughter and the alleged abductor.
There is not even a description of a suspect.

John mcgowan said...

Hi Tania,

indeed

there is nothing to suggest foul play from family members at this moment in time. Red flags, yes...

Dead toddler grew up in 'dysfunctional environment'


The Uncle praised LE.

Snipped:

Mr Ali said he wanted the person responsible for his niece's death to be caught as soon as possible.

"I appreciate what police are doing, they're doing a very great job and I'm pretty sure they'll come to a quick conclusion and justice will be served," said Mr Ali.

"It's very frustrating and whoever is out there, whoever has done it, I hope that he is caught as soon as possible and dealt with.
"Whatever happened shouldn't have happened, she didn't deserve it. She's such a cute little kid, she was so attached to me. I don't know why this happened. Whoever done it, shame on him, he is a coward."





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Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
I think 3 attackers IS possible, but not being able to provide any details about any of them? Combine the "3" and the fact she can't give any identifying info on her attackers is what makes this attack sound unlikely. I hate second-guessing reports of sexual assault because there has to be times when an account sounds unlikely but is true nonetheless. However, there's no evidence that any assault took place at this point.
April 10, 2016 at 11:01 PM


This echoes much in truth.

The number three must not be over thought. It is just something we notice; nothing more or less, when one seems to need to choose a number.

After that, much in sexual abuse cases comes in the cloud of passivity, guilt (whether appropriate or not) and even through the lens of PTSD and disassociation.

Having said that, the lack of any identification could be a signal of deception, or, given modern media, it could be code for the "language police" who will not allow such identification lest it harm their narrative.

She could be a real victim where the "report" is not reported due to race or religion of suspects (Islam), or it could she is deceptive.

There is not enough to discern.

Peter

Lisa21222 said...

OFF TOPIC:
http://www.mamamia.com.au/father-catfished-daighter/?CRE=Plista&CRE_W=sidebar

Anonymous said...


"Nikat said she chased her baby’s abductor for a while, but couldn’t catch him so returned to her home with her empty pram to contact authorities."

No rush then?


"It's very frustrating and
whoever is out there,
whoever has done it,
I hope that he is caught
as soon as possible and dealt with."

"Whatever happened
shouldn't have happened,
she didn't deserve it.
She's such a cute little kid,
she was so attached to me.
I don't know why this happened.
Whoever done it,
shame on him,
he is a coward."


It's very frustrating
Whoever has done it .. whatever happened
shouldn't have happened, she didn't deserve it
She's such a cute little kid, she was so attached to me.
I don't know why this happened.
Whoever has done it, shame on him, he is a coward.


1. How does he know that whoever has done it, whatever happened that shouldn't have happened, is a coward?

A baby snatching and smothering, shoeless, drunk Negro on steroids sounds like a real maniac to me! What would he have done differently had he had more courage?

2. How does he know that she didn't deserve it? What did she do?

3. "I don't know why this happened." Why? This? Happened?

Lis said...

“She was a very cute, a very good little girl,” Ali told the Herald Sun. “Her mother is devastated. It’s very frightening.”

Interesting he says "her mother" not "our mother"- are they half siblings?
His statements concern me.

foodiefoodnerd said...

"...and I'm pretty sure they'll come to a quick conclusion and justice will be served," said Mr Ali.
~~~~

Justice is not served by "quick conclusions" in SA or in police investigations!

However, a thorough investigation of his many leaks would be a solid start.

Like others noted, I'd like to know which words are direct quotes of the subjects - did she say she "returned home with the empty pram," or was the speaker trying to inject more drama into a tragedy that needs none?

The uncle pulls a DeOrr Kunz, and quickly turns the focus onto himself, also, talking about how much she was attached to him.

Yet, no words about how attached he was to her. When he said her mother loved her and is devastated, I would expect "we" loved her; "we" are devastated, especially when he just said how attached she was to him, and went on about how she didn't deserve "whatever" happened.

foodiefoodnerd said...

Maybe the shoeless African man is the elusive bushy-headed stranger who framed poor, conspiracy victim Diane Downes for the assault on her three children, killing one of them?

John mcgowan said...

Woman charged over murder of toddler Sanaya Sahib

Snipped:

THE mother of slain toddler Sanaya Sahib has been charged with her murder.

Sofina Nikat, 22, faced an out of sessions hearing this afternoon.

The court heard she had made a “full confession” regarding the murder of her daughter.

She was remanded in custody to face court again tomorrow.

Footage has emerged of a woman pushing an empty pram near Darebin Creek, where Sanaya was later found dead. The CCTV footage was obtained by Seven News.

The 14-month-old’s body was found in Darebin Creek, Heidelberg West, early Sunday after Ms

Nikat claimed a man of African appearance snatched her daughter from her pram at Olympic Park the day before.

Her mum said she gave chase but, unable to keep up with the offender, returned home with the stroller and raised the alarm.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/woman-charged-over-murder-of-toddler-sanaya-sahib/news-story/1b01d8bcc8ad6bd9f449787ad14e4a3b

John mcgowan said...

Update:

UW-Madison police continue to investigate reported sexual assault

The victim of an alleged sexual assault near Memorial Union on Friday night is not a UW-Madison student and did not initiate the reporting of the crime, police said.

Instead, the woman, who is in her early 20s, was approached by a campus police officer who saw her sitting on a curb near the Alumni House, 650 N. Lake St., about 10:45 p.m. Friday. She appeared to be upset.

“The officer involved found her and looked and realized she may be a person who needed help,” UW-Madison police spokesman Marc Lovicott said Monday.

Lovicott declined to say where the woman was from. She was on campus for the weekend visiting friends, he said.

The woman told police that three strangers held her down at knife point and assaulted her sometime between 10 p.m. and 10:40 p.m. near Memorial Union, 800 Langdon St. She was unable to describe the men or the location in greater detail to the officer on Friday or to police since then, Lovicott said.

It’s also not clear to police how many of the three men allegedly raped the victim.

“She’s been reluctant” to say much, Lovicott said.

Lovicott said officers continue to follow leads, talking to acquaintances of the victim and looking through security camera footage from the area.

We scoured a lot of the area already,” he said. “There was not a lot of information that was able to be conveyed to us (by the victim). We don’t even have descriptions (of the assailants). The location is also very vague.”

UW-Madison police continue to ask anyone with information to contact them at 608-264-2677. People who were in the Memorial Union area about the time of the incident Friday who noticed anything that seemed out of the ordinary also are encouraged to call, he said.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/uw-madison-police-continue-to-investigate-reported-sexual-assault/article_3061d918-4894-5f9e-8721-66e29119e26a.html

Anonymous said...

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-11/sanaya-sahib's-uncle-speaks-about-tragic-death-of/7316752

Video [6:14] Sanaya Sahib's uncle speaks about tragic death of niece

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous Lis said...
“She was a very cute, a very good little girl,” Ali told the Herald Sun. “Her mother is devastated. It’s very frightening.”

Interesting he says "her mother" not "our mother"- are they half siblings?
His statements concern me.

April 11, 2016 at 6:31 PM"

Because he is the baby's uncle. The baby's mom is either his sister or sister-in-law. She is 22. It would not be likely she'd have a child old enough to be interviewed.

Anonymous said...

I had a suspicion the brother might have been covering for his sister, but I couldn't say why and I still don't know why. However, his statements were even more suspect which led me to believe HE was likely responsible.

Wreyeter72 said...

I don't understand why colleges investigate claims of sexual abuse, (a police matter) or why incidents of sexual abuse are blamed on colleges because they happen between students, or in a dorm room, or in this case "near the student center." How is a college responsible for the actions of its students on their personal time? How is a college to prevent them from behaving however they like anywhere outside of a classroom? It's time to lay the blame and the responsibility squarely in the lap of the molesters - not the colleges.