Saturday, November 21, 2015

Formal Training: Child Molestation Statement, Analysis and Interview

When formal training is entered into, once the principles are learned, a season of both practice and dedicated or guided training is entered where each day, with each read of the news, the new analyst practices and then meet monthly with others, guided by a trainer, to sharpen the work.

Eventually, "Statement Analysis" will move to "Discourse Analysis" where there will be enough formal training to pick up key sensitivity indicators 'on the fly', or live within the interview. Eventually, you will hear pronouns, order, and changes of language during the live interview, make quick notes, and ask the appropriate follow up questions. 

The Analytical Interview is a legally sound, non intrusive method of interviewing from the analysis, and employing the language of confession:  the subject's own language.

I.     The Allegation
II.   The Statement
III.  The Analysis
IV.  The Admission

I.  The Allegation:

The young girl alleged sexual molestation by her own father.

In Statement Analysis, this is 'impossible.'  'A father cannot molest his own child' is a general rule of thumb for investigators to follow.

Remember:  the statement is not reality; it is the subject's own personal perception of reality.  As an analyst and investigator, you are to "enter into" his reality.

II.  The Statement 

"This is a load of crap.  You people should be disgusted with yourselves. Do you think that I am disgusted?  This is a bunch of lies and you people know it.  
What I did is this.  I got home from a friend's at 10AM and my wife and my daughter were home.  She was ticked that I was out early because she
wanted to go shopping.  She left.  I was busy and the girl had homework anyway. 
The next thing I know she gets home from shopping, wants me 
to carry in the groceries and my daughter is crying like there's
something wrong.  you get called.  Cops get called and here
I am with this crap."

III.  Analysis

This is an abbreviated analysis only for the purpose of this article. In training, attendees are to do a complete and lengthy analysis and prepare for the interview.

This is a load of crap.  You people should be disgusted with yourselves. Do you think that I am disgusted?  This is a bunch of lies and you people know it.  
What I did is this.  I got home from a friend's at 10AM and my wife and my daughter were home.  She was ticked that I was out early because she
wanted to go shopping.  She left.  I was busy and the girl had homework anyway. 
The next thing I know she gets home from shopping, wants me 
to carry in the groceries and my daughter is crying like there's
something wrong.  you get called.  Cops get called and here
I am with this crap."

A.  Change of language.  A change of language must represent a change in reality.  Here he changed his "daughter" into "the girl" in the statement.  What caused the change?

B.  "Left":  The departure is noted as very sensitive.  It is his wife's leaving where there is "missing information."  Although there was an element of "rushing", this element belonged to the mother, not to the father, and this is his verbalized perception of reality.  The missing information was not time constraint.  

He did not molest "my daughter", but did molest the gender specific, "girl", changing her from 

my daughter into "the girl." In order to sexually molest her, he had to "change"; that is, "depersonalize" her into a "girl", and no longer a family relation.  Once his wife was home, the "girl" was now "safe" again, and she "returned to being a daughter" again.  

Q. What caused this change of language?

A.  His wife's absence


The statement shows guilty knowledge of the molestation as well as significantly withheld or even suppressed information. 

The interview is not likely to produce a "confession" but an "admission" instead.  The strategy is to:

a.  Allow him to repeat the account
b.  Focus questions in the 'missing information' sections
c.  Repeated Questions about the concealing of identity of his "friend"; is this a girlfriend?  Is this a pervert?  It is someone he does not want to reveal. 
d.  The end of the interview will focus on the reality that he "changed" his daughter into "the girl" and what this means, and lastly:
e.  Will he lie about his own words? and 
f.  Will he call his daughter, not the 'girl', a liar?

He will not confess, but indications are that he will 'admit' with expected minimization, perhaps justifying it as 'tickling' or 'fooling around' and reference his own childhood.  

In the statement, he "told" us:  He will not take ownership  of what happened, even though he associates "disgust" with himself.  

This is because he has blamed his wife.  The interview allowed him to rehearse his account and, using his own language, brought him to the place where he was confronted with his own change of language.  Between that and the repeated questions about "a friend", he refused to lie.

IV.  Results:   The interview produced an admission.

A "confession" is to admit what one has done, but to also take moral responsibility for it.  He did not.  He blamed his wife who "knew about my problem" and he had gone to meet "a friend"; that is, a fellow pedophile, and his wife thought that she could hurry to and from the stores and given the short amount of time and that her daughter was getting older, he would not do "this" again.

He is surely, lazy and one to shift blame.  The groceries may appear very minor but it entered his statement making it important to him.  He was detached from reality and expected that all of his wants and laziness be indulged.

Therapist Intervention:

As a child, the perpetrator's background revealed why, for example, the 'groceries' was important enough to enter his ex temperaneous statement even though the allegation was child molestation.

The subject's  mother made certain he was held responsible for nothing and waited on him hand and foot. The professional involved refused to sign off on unsupervised visits and insisted upon the use of a polygraph regarding sexual impulse. The man had never learned impulse control, had an early exposure to pornography (and actually seeing his mother in bed with men, which was classified as "sexualized environment") and had received little or no discipline. Teachers, coaches, minister, and any others who attempted to intervene were met with harsh denial by the mother, including threats against the school for "overstepping" their boundary, etc.

The key, the therapist said, would be measuring progress with the polygraph.  

Case results:  

The man agreed to therapy and kept his first few sessions and talked freely of his upbringing and signed releases so that the therapist could conduct collateral interviews   Initially the therapist expressed optimism based upon the openness of the subject.  He reported that the polygraph would be administered every 12 weeks and the first one was agreed to.  

Long term:  

Eventually the man dropped out of therapy claiming to have no sexual attraction to his daughter, while perseverating upon the polygraph that he feared.  

Eventually,  his wife allowed him access to the young girl in spite of court orders to the contrary.  


If your department or company wishes to enroll in training or host a seminar, or if you wish personal training, please contact us at Hyatt Analysis Services.

The training is eligible for University of Maine's Continuing Educational Units (CEUs) for professional licensing.

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Anonymous said...

So eventually, what happened to the young girl, Peter? Tkx... ABB

Anonymous said...

Someone has to die or be a mystery for you to sell your wares, you see.

lynda said...

I'm getting better...I caught almost 100% of what you underlined. I didn't know what it all meant and why but I caught it! haha
Why do people still continue to think that a pedophile can be "changed" or controlled thru the use of such tools as polygraphs and such? One poly every 12 weeks? Really? So he's just left to molest and ruin as many children as he wants during those 12 weeks?
The mother should be in jail. I am still (tho I should not be) shocked that a mother would throw her child to a wolf. What must go on in her head to rationalize staying with a pedophile? One that would rape their own child? Will never understand

Anonymous said...

Here is poetry that should relate to everyone's heart. The author could be named, but I won't here because 12 came to dinner, only 11 returned for breakfast.

Of all the poems
The storm could write
It chose the one
About you and me
When we took shelter
And with every line it wrote
More of you vanished into leaves
Away from me forever

Anonymous said...

Yes, he indeed never says he did not do it, and says this is all a bunch of lies, referring to his own words, I think. his whole statement is painted in "guilty" yuk

Peter, I was not sure if you caught the article related to this paper, but it is interesting at it relates to SA and the language of researchers who falsify or pass on bad data or science :)

Anonymous said...

Is that a King Charles Spaniel or an average bird dog? Cute little thang!

Anonymous said...

Peter, here is one article that doesn't claim sources said, blah, blah...
I think it may be the real deal.

I could smell some back web boiler deal on this one...kinda like that black serial killer in Ohio had going on.

Lily said...

Peter, this transcript has so many SA red flags. This man was just arrested for the brutal murder of a little 7 year old girl who went missing from a football game. The charges include rape and sodomy.

Lily said...


MIEURE: I’ll go ahead and have you say and spell your name – first and last.

MADDEN: Timothy Madden. T-I-M-O-T-H-Y. M-A-D-D-E-N.

MIEURE: Okay, Timothy. What do you have to say about the charges you’re facing?

MADDEN: It’s all bogus. I’m a very innocent man. They can ask anybody that knows me.

MIEURE: Why did they connect you to this murder?

MADDEN: Small-town gossip. They said I fit the suspect.

MIEURE: Do you know what that was?

MADDEN: Six foot tall. Brown coat. Long beard. Pretty much that’s all I knew about it. But then I knew they found the little girl’s body later on that night and then locked the ballgame down.

MIEURE: Do you know the Doolin family?

MADDEN: Yes. I know I went to school with him.

MIEURE: You went to school with her dad?

MADDEN: With her daddy, yes.

MIEURE: Okay. How well did you know them? Are you a family friend?

MADDEN: Yeah. I mean, yeah, I was friends with him all through school. And then we ran around together there after school for a while. And then my little daughter, she plays cheerleading with her – with the little girl.

Lily said...

MIEURE: If you’re innocent, why would someone accuse you of this?

MADDEN: I have no idea. I have no idea.

MIEURE: You’re from Scottsville?


MIEURE: Okay. Were you at the game that night?

MADDEN: Yup. I was at the game. My son was playing football, and my little daughter was there with us too.

MIEURE: Hm. So now what? I mean, you’re in jail—

MADDEN: I’m in jail, yeah, but I still am innocent. So we’ll figure a way out of it.

MIEURE: How are you going to do that?

MADDEN: I’ll have a lawyer, I reckon, the only way. Because I have nothing to hide. I’ve cooperated every way that they wanted me to cooperate.

MIEURE: Hm. What types of rumors were going around that—

MADDEN: Oh, it’s all over Topix. And then when I do get out of here, I will sue KSP and everybody else that’s slandering my name.

MIEURE: Do you have any bad blood with the Doolin family?

MADDEN: No. Not at all.

MIEURE: What’s your relationship like with her dad?


MIEURE: Have you talked to him at all today?


MIEURE: What do you want to say to them?

MADDEN: I’m sorry for your loss. I feel sorry for them, but it wasn’t me.

MIEURE: What do you want to say to the public?

MADDEN: Well, if they find the right person, I will come out and I will, like I said, sue everybody that’s slandering my name and put me where I am at today. Because I am innocent – [INAUDIBLE] know I am. And everybody knows me, knows I am.

Lily said...

MIEURE: Tell me -- walk me through the day today, from – I mean, they arrested you around 11:30 this morning. Did they just show up at your house—

MADDEN: I have no idea. I don’t [INAUDIBLE] time it was. But I seen ‘em driving up and down the road, and I seen this truck driving up and down the road. And it kept circling in the driveway, backing out, going up and down the road, and we’s up at my father-in-law’s house. And then he…and I told him, I said, ‘There’s that truck still up there at the end of the road.’ So he went up there to talk to them and he just waited up there and waited up there, so I figured I would go up there and see what was going on, so I walked up there and got about halfway up there, and they got out of the truck and came down there and said I had a warrant for my arrest.

MIEURE: How did they get a warrant signed in the first place?

MADDEN: They say they got evidence, but…

MIEURE: What type of evidence do they have against you?

MADDEN: I don’t know. I don’t know. I’ve not seen it.

MIEURE: Did they tell you?


MIEURE: Had they questioned you at all before your arrest?

MADDEN: Oh yeah, several times. Interrogated me, like three or four times. Polygraph. I give ‘em my clothes that night. I think – yeah, they did mention I had blood on my clothes or something, but because I rubbed against a fence – like I said, rubbed against a trash can. That’s the only thing I know where I’d get blood from, but it wasn’t me.

MIEURE: Is there any DNA evidence that they’ve—


MIEURE: Did they said if—

MADDEN: I don’t -- If it is, it ain’t mine, you know, so—


MADDEN: So maybe it will work out, because I’m an innocent man. I shouldn’t be here.

MIEURE: What’s your family thinking right now?

MADDEN: Oh, I have no idea. I’ve not seen then since they put me in the car. I’m sure they’re terrified and upset.

Lily said...

MIEURE: Okay. Anything else you want to say to anyone?

MADDEN: Nope. Just tell my kids I love them. Daddy will be alright.

MIEURE: So you have kids about the same age as the Doolin kids?

MADDEN: Well, I’ve got – one of them is. I’ve got, scattered out from 20 years old to…he’ll be a four-month-old the 25th.

MIEURE: How are you going to claim your evidence besides…I mean, if you were there that night, is there anyone that will—

MADDEN: Oh yeah, there were several people there. I’ve got all kinds of people to verify that I was there, you know, and seen me. I even took pictures on my phone to prove I was there, you know, to send to my ex-wife because she wasn’t there, and she wanted to see Blake playing football. So, I mean, I’ve got – I believe I’ll be okay.

MIEURE: Did they ask you questions about, like, you know, ‘Were you in the bleachers when Gabbi went missing?’ and things like that?

MADDEN: Oh yeah. Several times.

MIEURE: And what’s your – what are you claiming?

MADDEN: Last time I seen her, I was we was – I was – sitting on the side of the [INAUDIBLE], like I always, watching the…smoking a cigarette. And she walked by. And the other two girls came acro – through there first…I don’t know…a minute before. And then she came over there looking around, and I said, ‘Well, they want that way.’ And that was the last time I saw her.

MIEURE: And people were searching at that point?

MADDEN: No. [INAUDIBLE] And then nobody started searching for – I don’t know – 30 or 45 minutes, I guess.

MIEURE: So you saw her go by, back toward –

MADDEN: Well, she came in front of the bleachers to the back of the bleachers. [LONG PAUSE, AS MICROPHONE IS ADJUSTED.] And that’s all I know.

MIEURE: Okay. I guess, just, if you want to summarize: Why are you so confident that you’re innocent?

MADDEN: Because I know I am. I’ve done nothing wrong.

MIEURE: And you’re confident police won’t find any DNA evidence against you?


MIEURE: Who do you think did it?

MADDEN: I have no clue.

MIEURE: What do you want to say to that person?

MADDEN: [LAUGHS.] Bad individual out there.

MIEURE: I mean, if someone came—

MADDEN: He’s crazy.

MIEURE: --if someone came forward, that could mean your freedom.

MADDEN: Right.

MIEURE: Do you have anything you want to say to them?

MADDEN: Well, they need to. Because I know it wasn’t me. And my family knows it ain’t me. And everybody in Scottsville knows it me. If they know me, anyway, you know.

MIEURE: Why are people pointing fingers?

MADDEN: I have no idea. I guess ‘cause KSP started the rumors…

MIEURE: Okay, anything—

MADDEN: Because when they showed up at the house, they brought the news cameras with them, so [INAUDIBLE] that’s how it all started.


MADDEN: But I ain’t got nothing else to say.

MIEURE: Okay. Alright. Thank you.

PHOTOJOURNALIST JEFF GORDON: Have you been arrested before?

MADDEN: Years ago.

GORDON: On what?

MADDEN: Cold checks. Traffic tickets.

MIEURE: Just misdemeanors?


GORDON: Are you a sex offender?


MIEURE: Thanks for your time. We appreciate it.


Lily said...

And by the way, they DID match his DNA.