Monday, July 28, 2014

Robbery Statement for Analysis


On Aug 6 at 4:45 AM I got up, from there I got dressed, brushed my teeth did my hair and
make-up, then sat around until 5:15 AM had a smoke, started my car and left for work.  I
arrived there at 5:25 AM and open the doors.  turned on my lights & pump pumps, then took
my numbers to do my Shift Check after that I open the safe and began to do my paperwork
form the day before, my stepfather came there at ruffley 10 to or 5 to 6:00 AM and I stood
there and told him we I didn’t start the coffee yet and then left for work them went back to
doing my cash, When I felt to someone touch me and say give me the money I have a family
to feed to and said don’t turn around and then I froze.  I bundled the money and passed it to

the man.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

What a mess! The "I have a family to feed too" makes me think the person giving the statement actually stole the money for his/her own family.

Buckley said...

She stole it and her (family) stepfather helped.

Introduction too long and words change big time.

"Numbers...paperwork...cash...money"

"Someone...man"

It's most specific when the man leaves with the money. In the lie, it's"someone"; in truth, a man did leave with (what it becomes when it's theirs) money. If shared, it is for family.

Wonder where they went for dinner.

Anonymous said...

Tons in this one. Just off the top of my head:

“from there I got dressed” – Missing time. What did she do during this time?

“sat around” – Sensitive mentioning position

“started my car” – Extra info, unimportant so it may be doubly important.

‘left for work” – she may have been late or it may indicate sensitivity (20% of the time)

“turned on my lights & pump pumps” – dropped pronoun. No “I”

“open the doors” – present tense. Left past tense and entered present tense. May be a constructed memory.

“after that I open the safe” – Missing time. present tense again.

“I stood there” – mentioning position again. Sensitivity.

“my cash” – Uh oh. Her cash?

“I felt to someone touch me” – unexpected language in a robbery. “Grab”, “shove”, etc. would be expected.

“say give me the money” – again, unexpected language. “Told”, “ordered” would be more appropriate

Previous poster already mentioned the change in language WRT the money.

-Akula

Anonymous said...

Her sexually abusive step-father intimidated her into giving him the money.

Vance Holmes said...

This statement is out of proportion. Of the 158 words used, only 39 pertain to the robbery.

Anonymous said...

OT
Man arrested in the Abigail Hernandez case

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hampshire-teen-abigail-hernandez-man-arrested-charged-kidnapping/story?id=24748117

Anonymous said...

I'm calling the story deceptive.

158 words total
119 introduction 75%
29 actual incident 18%
10 what happened after 6%

This is outside the normal bounds of about 25% 50% 25% division of introduction, the event, and what happened afterwards in truthful statements.

"On Aug 6 at 4:45 AM I got up, from there I got dressed, brushed my teeth did my hair and make-up, then sat around until 5:15 AM had a smoke, started my car and left for work. I arrived there at 5:25 AM and open the doors. turned on my lights & pump pumps, then took
my numbers to do my Shift Check after that I open the safe and began to do my paperwork form the day before, my stepfather came there at ruffley 10 to or 5 to 6:00 AM and I stood there and told him we I didn’t start the coffee yet and then left for work them went back to doing my cash,..."

The speaker consistently uses the possessive “my” to describe her actions, which tells us the word is a strong part of her internal vocabulary. Yet she veers from that when she says she opened “the” doors and goes back to using my. She does the same when she speaks of “the” safe. She then refers to doing “my” cash.

So the doors and the safe are sensitive to her. Did she actually open (unlock) the doors at all that morning? She avoids associating herself with the safe yet the money inside becomes hers after it's opened.

Her saying both “I stood there” and “then left for work” indicates missing information during the time that her stepfather was present. Talking about the coffee is unnecessary information implying stress. He came in after she opened the safe so the missing information relates to the missing money.

"When I felt to someone touch me and say give me the money I have a family to feed to and said don’t turn around and then I froze."
  
In this short description of the robbery itself the chronology is off. The robber touched her, told her not to turn around and then she froze rather than freezing when the robber touched her. This is an unexpected order of events.

And again there's that missing information. She described telling her stepfather the coffee wasn't ready but made no mention of him leaving or the amount of time between her speaking with him and the appearance of the robber. If it was immediate then the stepfather would have bumped into the robber as he left. Was the stepfather still nearby? The speaker doesn't say.

"I bundled the money and passed it to the man"

Her money becomes “the” money as it's passed to “someone” who now becomes the man. Bundling the money is additional information. Bundling something could be construed as a caring gesture; we bundle up our kids in warm clothes before sending them out to play in the snow. Passing the money sounds more cooperative than just handing it over or giving it to the man.

Could the man actually be her stepfather? Was this a family affair?

Hobnob said...

off topic

NORTH CONWAY, N.H. – A 34-year-old man was arrested and charged Monday with kidnapping a New Hampshire teenage girl who returned home last week after vanishing nine months ago.

Nathaniel Kibby was arrested without incident at his Gorham home, about 28 miles north of where the girl lives, and was charged with felony kidnapping, authorities said.

Police allege Kibby knowingly confined Abigail "Abby" Hernandez, then 14, on Oct. 9, sometime after she left Conway High School for her home. Abby returned home the night of July 20, but authorities have not explained the circumstances of her return.

Attorney General Joseph Foster said Monday law enforcement officials have worked around the clock to determine the facts surrounding the girl's disappearance and return. He said Abby provided the police with details of her kidnapping sufficient to warrant Kibby's arrest.

Kibby is scheduled for arraignment Tuesday at Conway District Court. It was not immediately known if Kibby has a lawyer. Foster said he will have a press briefing after the arraignment.

Abby's mother, Zenya Hernandez, said in a television interview Monday she believes Abby, now 15, did not run away and didn't know the man believed to have driven off with her. Police released a sketch of him last week based on Abby's description.

Abby also issued a statement, which was posted on Facebook, thanking people who searched for her and saying she believes their hopes and prayers "played a major role in my release."

Zenya Hernandez told NBC's "Today" that when her daughter returned home, she was thin and pale and had "a look in her eyes I've never, ever seen before. And that's something that's haunting me, and I think will haunt me for the rest of my life."

The mother also said in the television interview that rumors that her daughter was pregnant aren't true.

Roger Lawrence, 66, who lives in the same mobile home park as Kibby, said he met him last summer while Kibby was walking his dog. He didn't know him well but exchanged pleasantries with him.

"He seemed to be nice, down to earth. He was very polite," Lawrence said.

Lawrence said he didn't see Kibby all winter, but saw him Saturday, walking past his home to get his mail. He was shocked to hear of the arrest.

"No words can explain it. I was ready to wring his neck. I was very surprised," he said. "I was wondering what happened to that little girl myself, seeing it on the news, thinking, 'Where could she have gone?'"

Donald St. Germain, 76, who lives three trailers down from Kibby's home said he doesn't know Kibby and rarely saw him.

"The only time I saw him was this spring when he had to fix the roof on his trailer," he said.

St. Germain said he noticed police in the mobile home park around noon Monday.

An hour later, several FBI agents knocked on his door and told him they had arrested someone accused of keeping a girl captive.

Foster said when the girl disappeared she apparently had no way to get about or secure food, shelter or other necessities on her own.

Townspeople who searched and prayed that she would return are relieved, but also are looking for answers about where she's been and how she got home.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/28/mother-new-hampshire-teen-who-vanished-denies-pregnancy-rumors/

Anonymous said...

http://www.mdjonline.com/pages/full_story/push?article-The+Cooper+Harris+case-+Silence+in+face+of+injustice%20&id=25500497#cb_post_comment_25500497

Off Topic, Peter have you seen this article? It's a very different perspective in the Cooper Harris case. This person sorry to say is a total ASS!

C5H11ONO said...

On Aug 6 at 4:45 AM I got up, from there I got dressed, brushed my teeth did my hair and
make-up
--This person got up at 4:45 a.m., but had the need to state “from there”
--the brushing of teeth, did my hair and make-up creeps into the language of domestic violence victims. There should be further questioning as to who does this person live with?

then sat around until 5:15 AM had a smoke, started my car and left for work.
--This person included “sat” which shows body posture. It is likely that there was an increase of tension or stress to the subject at this time.
This is a second indicator of tension.
--“had a smoke” doesn’t contain a pronoun, so if the person doesn’t include it, we can’t assume it, although it may be a truthful.
--This person found it necessary to include “started my car” which is a given (just like “brushing teeth” is something people do daily, but don’t find a need to include it in their language). Is this perhaps leakage? Was the money found in her car?
--“left for work” (has the word, "left", which is point of sensitivity, 70% likely due to rushing, time, but 30% likely related to missing serious information.)
--Why did she sit around?

I arrived there at 5:25 AM and open the doors.
--She didn’t specify where she arrived at 5:25 a.m.
-- where is “there”? Seeing as though she was likely rushed previously did she stop anywhere else.
-- “open the doors” is also the language of abuse. This is said in present tense and is unreliable as it doesn’t contain the pronoun “I” along with past tense.

turned on my lights & pump pumps, then took my numbers to do my Shift Check after that I open the safe and began to do my paperwork form the day before,
--turned on my lights (language that creeps into domestic violence abuse victims), additionally if the person didn’t state “I” we can’t assume it for her. May be truthful, but it lacks reliability.
--then took “my” numbers. This person took ownership of this. You would need to find out what the numbers are. This is sensitive as she had to explain why she took her numbers – to do her Shift Check (which she capitalized—her grammar is atrocious so the fact she capitalized shift check is of importance to her).
--after that I open the safe is present tense and is unreliable. Despite her poor grammar she has been able to use past tense previously. (opening the safe may be language of domestic violence abuse).
--She states she began something, but didn’t state she finished it.

my stepfather came there at ruffley 10 to or 5 to 6:00 AM and I stood there and told him we I didn’t start the coffee yet and then left for work them went back to doing my cash
--I stood there and told him – when the person states position there is tension. She “stood” there and “told” him (told is stronger than said). There is likely that the conversation was not a pleasant one.
-- she wrote “I stood there and told him we I” - Change of pronouns in the same sentence (for example “I, Oh, we…”) already indicates that there might be deception in the statement.
-- left for work them went back to doing my cash (has the word, "left", which is point of sensitivity, 70% likely due to rushing, time, traffic, but 30% likely related to missing serious information.) Besides talking about the coffee what else was discussed as she may have left information out. Now doing her numbers became “doing my cash” which she takes ownership of. It is her cash at this time.
When I felt to someone touch me and say give me the money I have a family
to feed to and said don’t turn around and then I froze.
--she felt someone “touch” her is in present tense and is unreliable.
--“someone” is gender neutral.
--“say” is in present tense and is also unreliable.
--“and then I froze”. Sentences that begin with "And" indicate missing information.

I bundled the money and passed it to the man.
--Does she know “the” man? If she didn’t know who “the” man was she would have said “a” man.
--“I bundled the money” this is truthful.
--her cash became "the money".

Maggie said...

What color are her car doors???????///???/????///??????

Hobnob said...

On Aug 6 at 4:45 AM I got up
Strong sentence no qualifiers.

from there I got dressed, brushed my teeth did my hair and
make-up

Does she live with someone else such as husband or boyfriend or other adult?
She tells us she brushed her teeth, did her hair and make-up.
This is extra unncessary language leading me to wonder if there are relationship issues such as abuse.
When we wake up it is a given we will wash etc before leaving the house so it isn't usually mentioned.
Victims of abuse often introduce such minutiea as for a few moments they feel sade and secure.

then sat around until 5:15 AM had a smoke, started my car and left for work
Dropped pronouns, if she can't take ownership i can't do it for her.
Introduction of body posture can indicate tension.
We have a temporal lacuna, what happened between her getting ready and her leaving for work?
Was there an argument?
When left is introduced by the subject it needs to be noted as sensitive. it can be due to time constraints or missing information.
She tells us she started her car and left for work, extra info (started my car) indicates sensitivity.
You can't drive to work if you haven't started your car.
There is a lot of misisng info her making this sensitive. I would be asking questions about who else lives with her, what happened between her waking up and leaving for work,family issues etc.

I arrived there at 5:25 AM and open the doors. turned on my lights & pump pumps, then took
my numbers to do my Shift Check

Dropped pronouns in relation to turning on lights and pump pumps although she takes ownership of said lights and pumppumps with the pronoun my.
Dropped pronoun in relation to taking her numbers though she uses MY to take ownership with MY NUMBERS.

after that I open the safe and began to do my paperwork
form the day before,

She doesn't tell us she completed the paperwork, only that she began to do it, it is likely she was interrupted.

my stepfather came there at ruffley 10 to or 5 to 6:00 AM and I stood there and told him we I didn’t start the coffee yet and then left for work them went back todoing my cash,
Incomplete social introduction of her stepfather making it sensitive.
I would ask about her relationship with her stepfather.
She self edits when she says we then I, was there someone else present apart from her and her stepfather?
Was someone expected shortly?
Coffee is usually a shared activity, when it is introduced i would ask who else was there?
I STOOD
Introduction of body posture indicates tension and sensitivity.
I told is a stronger sentence.
Expected is I SAID, it is passive, TOLD sounds to me like there was an argument or words were said especially since she has introduce Body posture>
I suspect there is a poor relationship beween them.
Who left for work?
There is no pronoun to indicate whom and if she can't say it, i can't say it for her.
There is also a dropped pronoun in relation to doing the cash> She doesn't tell us she was doing the cash>
She takes ownership of the money by saying MY CASH,

.

Hobnob said...

When I felt to someone touch me and say give me the money I have a family
to feed to and said don’t turn around and then I froze.

Yempral lacuna.
She doesn't tell us someone entered the room or even that the stepfather had left.
She tells us the robber said "give me the money I have a family to feed to"
This sounds like the continuation of a conversation.
Since she tells us noone else was there or arrived up until her stepfather arrived, i would suggest the step father is the one doing the robbery and this is a continuation of their earlier discussion.
I would ask what was said when he arrived earlier?

and said don’t turn around and then I froze.
This is out of chronological order, he tells her he has family to feed too, before telling her not to turn round and her freezing.
Expected would be don't turn round, then touch or touch then don't turn around.
This is unexpected and i would ask if she recognized the man

I bundled the money and passed it to the man.
MY CASH has now become THE MONEY.
A change in language indicates a change in reality, is this change warranted?
Yes since she is allegedly being robbed, it is no longer my cash, rather money belonging to the business.
The someone has become the man.
Why does she say the man and not him?
Is this to conceal his identity?

Is this a family run business?
She didn't seem surprised to have her stepfather show up especially when she says we i didn't start the coffee yet.

i bet it is her stepfather

Anonymous said...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hampshire-teen-abigail-hernandez-man-arrested-charged-kidnapping/story?id=24748117

Another link from the Abigail Hernandez case, with a statement from her.

What an odd case.

Did anyone notice that the picture of the guy looks nothing like her description/sketch?

Something the mother said about "them", I'll have to search to find it. Maybe there was more than one person involved?

Anonymous said...

That's what I was thinking as well, the sketch is way off in the eyes! His eyes are very stand-out-ish, literally popping out.

Sus said...

There is a lot in the statement. I'll begin with time factors.
-She is specific on times until her stepfather arrived. Then she writes it differently. She changes to word form.
-Time seems to drag, filling every detail, or delaying telling about the robbery.
-She devotes one sentence to the robbery at the end even though it's the main event. All else are "before" events.
This tells me she doesn't want to tell about being robbed. She feels the stress of a lie.

Now I'm looking at unnecessary details.
-She tells us she got up. Of course she did. Stalling.
-She brushed her teeth. Mentioning this in a report may be a sign of abuse.
-"started my car" We all assume she started her car to drive it. I would ask why this is important to her.
-she uses "left" about leaving her home, making it sensitive...some reason that her mind is on home.
-arriving at work, she tells as that she opened the door and turned on lights. Again, we assume she had to do these things to enter a building. The mention of door and lights further substantiates sexual abuse.
-for the most part she has been talking in past tense, but the next phrase is present. "after that I open the safe." She does not say she opened it at that time, but that it is her routine to open it at that time. I don't think she opened it then.
-back to past tense, she "began to do my paperwork..." Meaning she was interrupted.
-Enter the stepfather. There is tension around him being there. She STOOD. She TOLD. This could indicate an argument between them.
-I don't understand the coffee part. I would ask her for clarification on that. Was he expecting coffee at her work? Does he work there? Who left for work? Or was she to make coffee at home before she left?
-Who is we that didn't make the coffee? Changed to I? I'm getting a feeling WE were to make coffee, the stepfather is abusive, and she covers for someone by taking the blame herself.
-She uses left again when speaking of the stepfather. Something seems to have happened before he left.
-Her paperwork is now cash. Where I don't think the safe was open before, now it is.
-finally she addresses the robbery. She FELT someone TOUCH her. That's awful weak for a robbery. No fear. No startle. Someone touched her.
-She's giving a reason for the robbery, humanizing the robber, by saying he said he has a family to feed 'to'. And why the TOO?

I would say she was coerced by her stepfather give him the money.

Anonymous said...

eyes aren't supposed to be able to focus on two different places at once. either he's got some kind of wall eye thing. or he's been tortured/drugged himself,

doesn't he just look like a fictional vilian. crazy

Anonymous said...

I think it was her and a boyfriend/husband who took the money. The slip-up of "we" didn't start the coffee..."my" money...a family to feed.

I wonder why she wouldn't say my step-dad. I think she is not close to her step-dad and that is why I do not think it was him and her doing the robbery. I think the stepfather is probably on his way to his own job and stops by in the am to get his cup of java for his drive to work. Not having the coffee ready for the stepfather means she deviated from her regular routine.

She works the am shift at a convenient store, that is why she would make coffee and stepfather would want coffee, have lights and pumps to turn on and need to do shift paperwork, open the safe and count money.

She has so many dropped pronouns. way to much beginning of story, no meat in the middle and short ending. Someone touched turns into THE man, not A man. She says, LEFT for work vs. went to work.

She is deceptive and she was a part of the robbery.



john said...

brushed my teeth did my hair and
make-up, then sat around until 5:15 AM had a smoke, started my car and left for work


brushed my teeth

In a statement, it is very rare for someone to tell us they brushed their teeth when they get up. For the subject to add this to their statement makes it doubly important to them. In domestic violence the bathroom maybe the only safe haven for subject to feel safe. They can lock the "door", and for a small amount of time feel safe.

"then sat around until 5:15 AM had a smoke, started my car and left for work."

"then sat round"

Dropped pronoun.

"Sat round"

When body posture enters a statement it is a sign of increased tension.

"started my car and left for work"

We note the word "left" in SA as the color blue. This is a high area of sensitivity, and possible missing information.

Eg. I went to my friends for lunch, after lunch i went home. This is straight forward.

Now we have the same example worded slightly different "Left"

I went to my friends for lunch, after lunch i "left" to go home.

In order to go home i have to leave. What caused the subject to add the word "left"

"I arrived there at 5:25 AM and open the doors."

Previous in the statement we noted they added the words "Brushed teeth", and noted possible domestic violence. Now we have the words "open the doors" enter their statement. This is quite often linked to child abuse. Closing the door makes you feel safe. Yet, the anxiety increases when the door begins to open.

"turned on my lights"

Now we have "lights" entering her statement. This is often associated with sexual activity.

"then took my numbers to do my Shift Check after that I open the safe and began to do my paperwork
form the day before,"


There is a dropped pronoun before the word "then", this shows lack of commitment and ownership.

"then took my numbers to do my Shift Check"

Another dropped pronoun, lacking commitment.

"then"

Here we have a jump in time (temporal lacunae).

"After that I open the safe and began to do my paperwork
form the day before,"


Again we have a jump in time. "After that".

"I open the safe and began to do my paperwork
form the day before"


"I open the safe"

She now switches to present tense. Given that she is talking about the past, would expect her to use past tense.

"began to do my paperwork
form the day before"


Another dropped pronoun.

"Began"

This is similar to the word "started". I started to go home, but, i didn't say i went home, only "started".

"my stepfather came there at ruffley 10 to or 5 to 6:00 AM and I stood
there and told him we I didn’t start the coffee yet and then left for work them went back to
doing my cash,"



"my stepfather"

Although she connects herself to her stepfather ("my") this is a improper social introduction, and show signs of a strained relationship.

"and I stood

john said...
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john said...

Cont..

there and told him we I didn’t start the coffee yet and then left for work them went back to
doing my cash,"


We notice body posture entering her statement again. (increase in tension).

"and told him"

The word "told" when used with the word "Stood" tells us she is not pleased at all.

Eg. "My Mum "said" no more cookies till after dinner."

Now lets look at it with the words "stood and "told"

My Mum "stood" and "told" me, no more cookies till after dinner. This is a much more stronger. By adding the words "stood" and "told", we know she is very serious in what she is saying.

"we I didn’t start the coffee yet and then left for work them went back to
doing my cash,"


"we I didn’t"

She starts to say "we" then changes to "i". Pronouns are instinctive, what caused her to switch from "we to "i"?.

"and then left for work them went back to
doing my cash,"


Again we have temporal lacunae ("And then") missing information.

"left for work them went back to doing my cash."

"Left," sensitivity.

"to doing my cash."

Her she calls it "my cash", not the cash.

" When I felt to someone touch me and say give me the money I have a family
to feed to and said don’t turn around and then I froze. I bundled the money and passed it to
the man."


"give me the money I have a family to feed to"

john said...

Cont..

This is an odd thing for a robber to say. It just doesn't fit right.

"and said don’t turn around and then I froze."

As stated before the word "said is much softer than the word "told". I would expect much more stronger language, given it is a robbery.

"I bundled the money and passed it to the man."

We have a change in language, from, "cash" to "money". We notice too, that when the "cash/money is handed over, it becomes "the money". When previously, she called it "my cash". She is distancing herself from "the money.

"and passed it to the man".

"The man"

Deception indicated,

She doesn't say, i passed it to (him). She uses the definite article.

Eg, I was walking down the road and "a" car sped passed me. I turned the corner and "the" car was parked up.

Once i have introduced it, it then becomes "the" car. If i say "the" car without the introduction, i must have seen it before. Therefore, she knows who the man is, by saying "the man"

Number of words=152

Introduction=112

Event=40

After=0

Given the language she uses. "Brushed teeth", Doors" and lights. I would suspect there is some form of domestic violence and possible abuse, either in infancy and or the present. I suspect this to be at the hands of her stepfather, and, he is the one who she gave the money to.

Peter Hyatt said...

John,

that awkward feeling you have is correct. It's your intuition prompting you to follow principle!

good work,

Peter

Maggie said...

John you said"brushed teeth"then"Closed doors"what color were the'Doors"???//???//??????

elf said...

....and then left for work.. the subject never says WHO left for work. Leaving is sensitive but since the subject didn't say he left or her stepfather left I assume no one really left.
Id also like to point out that in most all convenience stores you keep the doors locked until you have your drawer and paper work in order and that coffee is also at the ready, fresh brewed when the store opens.