Tuesday, July 8, 2014
Statement Analysis: Mr. Madden, Eyewitness in Toddler Death Case
We have already seen one witness who's motivation for fame led him to speculate, rather than give accurate testimony.
We now have another, going on television, who may be giving the defense ammunition from which to work.
This case is reminiscent of the "Tot Mom" case in which the jury pool was tainted by the incessant coverage of the Casey Anthony case. Like Anthony, this now has some salacious sexual tangents. Casey Anthony did "dirty dancing" while her daughter was "missing", and now Ross Harris is "sexting" while his child was "baking" in the vehicle, including the use of such inflammatory language.
This may draw more and more attention to potential jurors who may delight in attempting to make a name for themselves, perhaps landing a "reality" TV show, than justice.
Note even the language of the host, who, years ago, tagged "Tot Mom" as a bumper sticker phrase, which may be great for ratings, but little else.
I've shortened some of the host's lengthy questions and statements, and have added emphasis for instructive purposes. The actual Statement Analysis is in bold type.
GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us.
Bombshell tonight. The tragic death of 22 month-old toddler boy Cooper, seemingly left alone for
hours in a baking-hot car by Daddy. But was the tot actually murdered?
Damning details emerge as Daddy sits unemotional until evidence comes out he`s sexting six different
women, sending pictures of his erect penis, while his toddler boy, Cooper, bakes dead in the car.
Evidence indicating the baby`s scratching his face, crying out, abrasions on the back of his
head as he bangs back and forth, trying to escape.
In the last hours, we obtain detailed information behind newly executed search warrants and the
prosecution`s plan to seek the death penalty.
We are taking your calls. As you all know by now, the father, Ross Harris, has been bound over from
the lower court to a felony court. Now we are waiting on a grand jury presentation. Now, what that
means is this. The Cobb County elected district attorney, Vic Reynolds, will convene a grand jury.
This is the July/August term. That means there`s a new grand jury coming in, unaccustomed to
We are predicting he will wait several weeks while he amasses more information and breaks in the
grand jury. In a couple of weeks, we predict this case will go to a secret grand jury for indictment. At
that time, we predict the district attorney will seek the death penalty on this father, Ross Harris.
There you see him in court. There you see his wife on the front row, snapping gum and looking bored. But tonight, that`s not a good look for a woman that many people believe is being honed in on by
police. Now, at this time, the wife, Leanna Harris, the mother of little Cooper, has not been charged. She has not been named a person of interest or a suspect.
Straight out to Ninette Sosa, reporter with Newsradio 106.7. Ninette, all eyes now not on just Daddy but Mommy, as well. What can you tell us
about these newly obtained search warrants?
Note the inflammatory language. "Bombshell", "baked" and not just "penis" but "erect" penis, as if this changes the case.
Note the use of the name of the prosecutor, which may not simply help his career (or gain traction for further career moves) but may be a signal of reaching out to him to be on the show, trading some fame for information and ratings. In terms of justice, it is concerning.
NINETTE SOSA, NEWSRADIO 106.7 (via telephone): Well, one of the questions is, is she a co-conspirator? So that might be one avenue that investigators are looking, you know, at her. About these new search warrants -- they`re aimed involving Kaiser medical records for Justin Ross Harris and...
Nancy Grace: Hold on. I am just being joined right now by Mr. Madden. We all became familiar with him at the bind-over hearing. He actually saw the tot, baby Cooper, pulled from the car dead. Mr. Madden, thank you for joining us.
Another eyewitness is now on television, going by the name, "Mr. Madden."
Note the phrase, "tot, baby Cooper"
MR. MADDEN, WITNESS (via telephone): No problem, Ms. Grace.
GRACE: Mr. Madden, I understand that you were there and you were with a colleague, and she was very upset. And you stepped over to see why she was upset. When you saw what was happening, what was the first thing you observed?
Note the lengthy introduction to the question, "What was the first thing you observed?" This intro should be avoided, as an Interviewer does not want to influence the answer.
MADDEN: The first thing after noticing that the body that was laying on the hot pavement was, in
fact, a 2-year-old toddler. I was about four or five feet away from him. Of course, that being Cooper.
And then Mr. Ross. I was about three feet away from him. And he was hysterical. He
was crying out. He was screaming. He was hollering, My son, oh, my God, my son is dead, oh, my
God. It just seemed very real, very organic.
Note the theatrics in the description.
"Of course" indicates he wishes us to take what he says without question. Why the need to add this in? This is concerning. He is now alerting us to be on our guard about his statements.
He was "hysterical", "crying out", "screaming", "hollering"; all words used to describe the way these words were delivered: "My son, oh my God, my son is dead, oh, my God."
Note the use of the word "organic"
GRACE: Yes, I noticed that was the phraseology you used on the stand. I want to get back to the child. You say that you were four or five feet away from baby Cooper.
What did you observe about him?
MADDEN: Well, honestly, Nancy, he looked very -- he looked clean. I saw no bruises. I saw no
abrasions. His hair wasn`t pulled back. It wasn`t wet...
1. "Well" is a pause to think. He was asked a straight forward question, "What did you observe about him?"
2 "honestly" now signals that he may not always be honest but here, he wants to be believed
4. "No bruises"
5. "No abrasions"
Note that in this high adrenaline emergency, he tells us what he did not see. Eyewitnesses should tell us what they saw, and not what they did not see.
This should help the reader understand why he needed the word "honestly" in his statement.
Note finally that he tells us that his hair was not pulled back nor wet.
This is very concerning that he can "eye witness" what was not there, or not observed.
GRACE: Well, was he laying on his back or on his stomach?
MADDEN: He was laying on his back.
He enters the language of Nancy Grace.
GRACE: OK, because the abrasions mostly are on the back of the head, where we believe he was
banging up against his carseat, trying to get out.
This is in response to a rebuke. The witness has used things he has read or heard to enter his language.
GRACE: So was he pale?
MADDEN: No, he looked normal. He just was lifeless.
Would you describe "lifeless" as being "normal"?
This is yet another signal that self importance has entered into the language of this witness.
GRACE: Now, were the child`s eyes and mouth open at the time? Because we learned during the hearing that the child`s eyes were open, the mouth was open and the tongue was protruding and the lips had turned bluish. That was the testimony by the police. What, if anything, did you
Always avoid compound questions. They allow the subject to pick and choose which to answer, and they give the subject language to use.
Note how many questions and statements this former prosecutor asked:
1. Were the child's eyes and mouth open at the time?
2. We learned this already
3. The police testified that his eyes and mouth were open
4. The tongue was protruding
5. The lips turned bluish
Finally, "What, if anything, did you observe?" This signals that the Interviewer has become a bit suspicious of the witness.
MADDEN: I saw none of that. And again, I was about four or five feet away from him.
The defense attorneys should be taking notes.
MADDEN: He looked normal. I saw no discoloration. His eyes were definitely closed. His mouth was definitely closed.
He returns to "normal", contradicting "lifeless" and contradicting the sworn testimony of the police officer. He uses the word "definitely" twice, to buttress his statement.
GRACE: Interesting. And what were police -- when did they move the father to the back of the police car? Did you hear him yell out at the cops, "F you"?
MADDEN: Well, this was after one of the police officers had spoken very abrasively to him. And of
course, he didn`t have his ball bearings together, so he did yell "F you" to her, and then they approached him...
This witness could prove to be very difficult for prosecution. He is not able to say what he saw without editorializing. Note the "ball bearings" after "of course" in his answer. He has attacked the police with "very abrasively"
GRACE: Well, wait a minute. Wa-wait. When you say the cop spoke abrasively to him, what did she say?
MADDEN: Well, she wanted him to step back and she said, Get back. But of course, he wanted to,
you know, see after his son and see what they were doing and...
Note "of course" again, as he now tells us what was in the mind of the father.
GRACE: Oh, really? Because was he performing CPR? Because we were told the minute other
people got there, he quit administering aid and stood back and got on the cell phone. Was that not correct?
MADDEN: Well, when I was approaching, that is accurate. When I was approaching, other people
had came in and perhaps they told him that they worked in the medical field or they had some history with giving or administering CPR.
Note that how, in his defense, Mr. Maddon reports how close he was in measurement of "feet", yet here, he says "I was approaching" twice, making it sensitive. The distance this witness was from the scene is a sensitive topic.
This is not lost on Nancy Grace:
GRACE: Well, do you know that they said that, or are you just guessing that they said that? Did you
hear someone say, Step back, say I`m a nurse or I`m a doctor?
The question is: "Did you hear someone?"
MADDEN: I wouldn`t want to speculate, Nancy.
Instead of saying what he heard, he introduces the topic of "speculation" as something he "wouldn't want to do."
We all have done things we wouldn't have wanted to do. This appears to be what Mr. Madden has been doing on the show.
MADDEN: However, in a situation like that, I`m sure in the event I had history, I would want to tell
the father that I did have history, as opposed to being a novice and operating or just checking on someone`s child.
Mr. Madden wishes to be a commentator, and he is speculating, rather than reporting. This is the second eye witness who is not reliable, but is interested in something other than simply stating the truth.
Nancy Grace sees it now:
GRACE: So if you did not observe it, what you did observe is the father four or five feet away from
the child and other people were giving the child CPR. Were the other people EMTs?
MADDEN: No, they weren`t. They were just...
MADDEN: ... sensitive to the situation, you know, saddened by the situation. They were just trying to help out...
Rather than truthfully report what he saw and what he heard, he now tells us what the other witnesses were feeling.
GRACE: And they were giving EMT -- was anybody giving EMT to the child?
MADDEN: EMT actually didn`t arrive until later.
GRACE: Well, was anybody giving CPR to the child? Let me rephrase that.
MADDEN: As I was approaching.
GRACE: They were?
GRACE: OK, and those were just standers-by.
MADDEN: I wouldn`t be able to tell because, again I was approaching as they were doing it.
Prosecutors should doubt this testimony, particularly how close he was during certain events.
GRACE: OK. Now, I`m not quite sure why the father ended up in the back of the car, in the back of the police car. When he yelled out "F you"
to the police, I think that pretty much sealed it. What was he doing in the back of the police car?
MADDEN: Well, he was sitting there, and then there were detective -- homicide detective that came -
- he was about 100 feet away in a squad car,
and they came and they began to speak with him. But he wasn`t acting out, wasn`t being violent in the back of the car.
GRACE: Well, he was handcuffed, right?
MADDEN: I`m sorry?
GRACE: Wasn`t he handcuffed?
MADDEN: He was handcuffed, yes.
GRACE: Well, OK. With me, everyone, is Mr. Madden, who we all remember testifying at the hearing with crucial evidence. He is also
taking your calls.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hi, Nancy. Thanks for taking my call. I think that possibly maybe the two conspired together.
GRACE: And why do you say that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, it sounds like she did the looking at home, and it was, like, he did
the looking at work to maybe to throw people
off. So I`m thinking maybe they co-conspired it together. And you know, both of them -- she didn`t act so totally surprised that it happened.
GRACE: No, not at all, Deborah in Oregon, but because unless she is clairvoyant -- unleash the lawyers, Danny Cevallos and Areva Martin.
First to you, Cevallos. She goes to the day care to pick up the baby. They say he was never dropped off. The first thing she says is, Ross left
him in the car. Well, the day care worker goes, Well, it could be -- they could be at McDonald`s. They could be at the playground. He doesn`t have
to be in a hot car. She goes, No, he left him in the car.
Now, Either she knew or she`s clairvoyant. Which one do you pick?
GRACE: And the first thing Mommy says when she goes into that police interrogation room to see her husband, whom she has chosen to see as
opposed to seeing her child, Cooper -- first thing is not, What happened? Whether she`s blaming him or not blaming him, she didn`t say, What happened
to Cooper? First question, one of the first questions is, Did you tell the police too much? Did you say too much? That`s one of the first things.
And correct me if I`m wrong, but Mike Duffy, when we were watching the testimony as it unfolded from the witness stand, her mother, Leanna
Harris`s mother, was on the phone and said, What`s wrong? Why aren`t you reacting? Your child is dead. What`s wrong with you?
And they asked the cop, Mike Duffy, How did you hear that? They were on the phone. And the cop -- you know, never ask the question you don`t
know the answer to because the cop said, The mother, the grandmother was screaming so loud, I could hear her. Just standing there, I could hear her
on the phone. So she`s been stoic without -- throughout.
Mike Duffy, I want to talk to you. We`ve already seen the drive. We followed in the footsteps of police from work to Uncle Maddio`s, where the
scene unfolded with the child on the asphalt. You have done another route. Tell me, where did you go, Mike Duffy? Let`s see it.
MIKE DUFFY, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER (via telephone): Yes, Nancy, it`s that clear frame of reference that most people don`t have. So what we did
was retrace the drive from the Chick-fil-A, where dad and son supposedly had breakfast that morning, to work. And what we found is that it takes
less than two minutes to get there. It`s less than half a mile. So in that time, the question is, Did Dad forget his son?
GRACE: OK, so you`re pulling out. You come back around the Chick- fil-A to get out on the highway. Take a look at this guy. That`s the left turn everybody is talking about. You turn back. There you go. This is
from Chick-fil-A to the Home Depot office, the treehouse, so to speak, where the father, Justin Ross Harris, works.
Now remember, this time -- here`s the red light we`ve been telling you about, complete with camera -- complete with camera. Red or no, that
camera is working. Now, remember, it`s just one minute and 20 seconds -- one minute and 20 seconds. He has only got that long to completely forget
about his son.
Now, you`re seeing the street just as he saw that day. We`ve shown you the route home, where he goes through seven different stop signs, seven
different red lights. This is from Chick-fil-A to the office, one minute, 20 seconds. That`s how long, according to him, it took for him to forget
And here you see it. He`s pulling in at work.
GRACE: Welcome back. For those of you just joining us, as you know by now, a judge, Judge Fox, binds over the father of tot, 22 month-old
Cooper Harris, for grand jury indictment. Now it is in the hands of the elected district attorney, Victor Reynolds. This, as we learn that search
warrants go down. We obtain those search warrants. And the reasoning behind the search warrants,
over the weekend, for medical records of the
father. Was he really deaf in one ear claiming he couldn`t hear the baby? As he claimed in court. As his lawyer claimed. Had he had medical
problems we don`t know about? Did the boy have problems like abuse or malnutrition, failure to thrive?
We also know a search warrant goes down to search the home for light bulbs. He claims that he has to go with his friends from work at lunchtime
to Home Depot. He is the only one that does any purchasing. He goes in and buys three light bulbs, comes back, leaves the friends, back to the
car. There in the car, he carefully -- is not driving -- throws the light bulbs into the car, slams the door and leaves. Was it for real or was it a
ruse to have witnesses state he did not notice the child? There you were seeing their rented condo.
We also learned that HR, human resources records have been subpoenaed. Had there been some problem at work? To Ben Levitan, telecommunications
expert joining me now, Ben, right now the case is in the hands of the district attorney, but to get all of the sexting, the sex text messages,
the e-mails, the computer searches, the phone records, how long will that take? Give me a ballpark, Ben Levitan?
LEVITAN: Well, Nancy, by law the phone companies and -- that has to be turned over in 30 days from the day you get a subpoena. But I work with
these guys every day, and they`re very cooperative. It is likely within a week all this stuff will be turned over, especially because it is so high
profile. They have to be more careful. Believe me, these companies comply with the law 100 percent. They have departments that do nothing but this
all day. This is going to create an incredible digital diary of this guy`s activity for the past months. We`re going to know what he was doing every
minute, because we got work computers, we got home computers, we got cell phones.
GRACE: You know, another thing I think we better be looking for, Bill Levitan, is this. We learned at the hearing there was no texting between
husband and wife the day the baby dies. For me, that is unnatural for people that have multiple cell phones, multiple laptops, hard drives,
Google Chromes, the works. They`re techies. He is in I.T. and doesn`t text his wife all day? I think it is very important, Ben Levitan, that
they search back and see their texting and emailing history, because if they typically text 30, 40 times a day, and then suddenly that day they go
radio silent, that is probative. It looks like they were trying to prove they had no communications that day, and there was never a chance for mommy
to say hey, did you drop off Cooper? I find that very, very probative. Hold on, Bill Levitan, you are saying a couple of weeks to get all of those
records. Michael Christian, think through this with me, are you with me?
CHRISTIAN: Yes, ma`am.
GRACE: Okay, Michael, this is what we know. In Cobb County, the grand jury meets once a week on Thursday. That means the grand jury,
typically made up from 15 to 50 individuals, voters, get together. This is a new grand jury. They last two months. That is their term, July, August.
A brand-new grand jury is just coming in, Michael Christian.
Now, I presented to the grand jury hundreds and hundreds of times. A presentment takes two minutes to two hours. They need one witness. That
would be the lead detective, probably the same way we saw the hearing. We`re going to see that detective in front of the grand jury. He will give
a brief presentation, give the main facts and open it up to grand jury questions.
Here is my prediction, Michael. They`re going to wait several weeks. They want to break in the new grand jury. Let them cut their teeth on
shopliftings, you know, carjackings, dope cases, before they get this case. So I`m thinking sometime in August, late July, they`re going to get all of
their materials, Ben Levitan is talking about phone records and so forth, and take this to a grand jury.
One more thing, Michael Christian. They`re missing something. Toxicology reports. How do you think that will play into the
investigation, if at all? Toxicology on baby Cooper?
CHRISTIAN: That could be extremely important, Nancy, because certainly if this baby was doped up, if there was any sort of chemical
introduced into this baby`s system, that is something that the grand jury and the prosecutor would certainly want to know. Toxicology takes two,
maybe three weeks to come back. So we will be expecting in a couple of weeks for the medical examiner`s office to release a final autopsy report.
GRACE: Okay, hold on. I have got another thing. I got another thing. Unleash the lawyers, Danny Cevallos, Areva Martin, also joining me,
Dr. Michelle Dupre, medical examiner.
Areva Martin, this is what the state doesn`t want. They don`t want to indict prematurely and then get slapped with a speedy trial demand. That
is a constitutional right you have that says, okay, you have indicted me. Now you have got one to two terms to try me or you cut me loose. If you
don`t try that person in front of a jury within three to six months, they are acquitted. The charges are dropped.
My point is, Areva, they have to get their ducks in a row, have everything ready. All their proof, toxicology, phone records, e-mails, the
works, then indict. Because watch, they`re going to put a speedy on the state, and the state is going to have to move immediately to trial, Areva.
MARTIN: You know, I think the state is moving cautiously because there is so much information, as you said, Nancy, to be gained here, these
records. And this is a case that most people believe, as you will recall, that this guy just made a mistake. When these kids, 40 or so, that are
lost or killed in cars, people think it is a mistake, not murder.
GRACE: And this hour, the case in the hands of the district attorney, Vic Reynolds. So far Reynolds has a stellar record as an elected
prosecutor. He trained in the office where I was a prosecutor in inner city of Atlanta, and actually trained under me, as well as with a lot of
other senior prosecutors. Never afraid to try a case, would take a case to a jury in a heartbeat. Right now many court watchers believing Reynolds
will seek the death penalty in this case.
On the other side, you got this guy. Maddux Kilgore, he is certainly no slouch either. Kilgore was a prosecutor in the state`s attorney
general`s office. I recall also working with him, not against him. Kilgore at that time I believe was working on a habeas corpus and an appeal
on a murder case I had tried, a very difficult murder case. And I recall at the time being very impressed with his skills.
So, okay, that was his assistant. There is Kilgore right there. Both fantastic trial lawyers.
We are taking your calls. Straight out to Lisa, hi, Lisa, what is your question?
LISA: Hi, Nancy, I want to say first of all you have so much strength for doing these shows every night. And my question to the panel of
possible pleas, I`d just like to know, if people don`t love, honor and cherish their child, then why do they have them?
GRACE: You know, Greg Cason, psychologist, I don`t think any of us lawyers are qualified for that. I mean, I know what to do if somebody is
charged with murder, but I don`t know the answer to that. Why do you go through so much to have a child? I know I did. And then start looking up
living a child-free life? And not only that, Greg, I was just really disgusted. I remember the first time I wrote a non-fiction, "Objection."
And I had to look up how people made blood money, money off murder cases. And the websites I looked at, by the time I finished writing that book, I
wanted to throw away my computer. I was so just put off by all the -- the dark, dark leanings in our society.
But Greg, this guy is looking up watching people die on video. Where is Greg Cason? He is watching them in the throes of death. And he is
looking at websites, how to live a child-free life. And how long does it take a child to die in a hot car? And if you could, show the video of the
veterinarian that we spoke with at length who created the video about animals dying in hot cars. Can you answer at least those questions, Greg?
CASON: It is absolutely disgusting, Nancy, and I think for those of us who bond with our children and feel a great deal of need to have
children and raise children and see them as the future of our society have trouble seeing that some people are just that depraved. And it may be that
he wanted a child in the beginning, but then started to see the real stresses of having a child as you go through life and wanted to escape from
that. And he chose one of the most heinous and possible actions a parent can take, if indeed he did.
GRACE: At the get-go, I want to go back to Ninette Sosa, News Radio. At the beginning, I kept thinking, depending on the time of the search of
dead animals in hot cars, if it were after the death of Cooper, I still thought maybe he could be innocent, but the more we hear, the worse it
gets. What can you tell us about the stunning news over the weekend that the father, Ross Harris Cooper, excuse me, Justin Ross Harris, actually
directs his family how to get the life insurance proceeds from behind bars.
SOSA: The $27,000, exactly, there is two of those. And it was Friday evening, and he is telling his family how to cash out these policies for
his child. That is quite grim, from behind bars, on a Friday. And he -- in a twist, it is the mom, though, I keep going back to Leanna. The eulogy
on Saturday for her son, and she says toward the end of the eulogy to her husband who was listening via speaker phone from jail to this funeral, that
she was doing it for him. And I was thinking, doing what for him, exactly. It left me more questions on her bizarre eulogy that she gave for her son.
Yet it is about him, the husband.
GRACE: Unleash the lawyers, Areva Martin, L.A., Danny Cevallos, New York. First of all to you, Danny, OK, he is behind bars, his child is dead
of a gruesome death, a tortuous death, a cruel death, and you know the word cruel and tortuous plays into the language you use to get the death
penalty, and he has the wherewithal to tell his family how to cash in on a life insurance policy. Hello? Home Depot already paid for the funeral, I
think. So while his mind, I would think, would be reeling about the death of his baby, he is worried about the life insurance policy. Let me hear
your spin on that, Cevallos.
CEVALLOS: Yes, good, everyone keep focusing on life insurance policies and Internet searches. Focus on them all you like. They are not
beginning to rise to the level of specific intent, malice murder, and even you have to concede, Nancy, even you have to concede, the prosecution is
going to have to come up with something better than asking about a life insurance policy, which is something that you buy and cash in on--
GRACE: I don`t even know what you`re saying.
CEVALLOS: You don`t?
GRACE: I don`t even know what you`re talking about.
CEVALLOS: You`re familiar with a life insurance policy, right?
GRACE: Have you actually tried a circumstantial murder case?
CEVALLOS: Of course I have, Nancy. Are we doing resumes now?
GRACE: How did that turn out?
CEVALLOS: Which one, Nancy? Listen, we both tried murder cases.
GRACE: Because I don`t even know what you`re saying. This is actually how a circumstantial case is made.
CEVALLOS: Well, beware everyone who cashes in on their life insurance policies, beware, buy them at your own risk.
GRACE: No. You can go ahead and cut his mike.
CEVALLOS: OK, I`m done anyway.
GRACE: Areva, I think you will agree with me, even as a defense attorney, that it is not just the life insurance policy. It is the unusual
death of the child, No. 1, which the medical examiner ruled as probable homicide. It is the statements that he made. It is the searching before
the child`s death. How long is it needed for a child to die in a hot car? It is his reaction with his wife. It is sexting the women. It is looking
up a child-free life. It is asking about the life insurance policy. That -- it is all of that together to -- you build a case.
MARTIN: No doubt, Nancy, cumulatively all of these things look really bad for the dad. And in most of these cases when these kids die in hot
cars, you have an overly emotional parent and you don`t have all of these issues. This case is quite unusual, and the dad has a lot of explaining to
do. No doubt.
GRACE: Straight out to Dr. Michelle Dupre, medical examiner and forensic pathologist. Dr. Dupre, thank you for being with us. Could you
explain the marks on the back of Cooper`s head? We know he was on the lowest setting possible for that car seat, which means he was in very, very
DUPRE: Yes, Nancy. Thank you for having me on the show. It seems as though he probably went into a normal heat stroke reaction, which is he
becomes agitated, he`s trying to get loose. It`s a very scary situation and he`s scratching, he`s wiggling, he`s scratching, he may be even going
into seizures, all caused from this.
GRACE: Everyone, I want to tell you about a missing girl. It`s very important. Live to Washington state. This young girl disappears, and
tonight we join the search for Angie Dean. With me is her mother, Lynda Jorgensen. Thank you so much for being with us. How did your girl go
missing? Tell me.
LYNDA JORGENSEN, MOTHER: Thank you for having us. On Monday the 23rd she left the house and hasn`t returned, and we`ve heard nothing from her.
She left on the 23rd in the evening, about 9:30, and we have no idea where she is.
GRACE: Where was she going that night, Ms. Jorgensen?
JORGENSEN: We have no idea. We have no idea.
GRACE: Okay. She took only what she was wearing. She had on black running tights, like white razorback tank top, white Nike shows.
Authorities have discovered a cell phone Angie`s parents didn`t know she had. That is not unusual. The fact is, though, Ms. Jorgensen, did the
cops find that cell phone?
JORGENSEN: No, they haven`t found the cell phone but they know she was in possession of one.
GRACE: To Dave Mack, syndicated talk show host. Dave, I do not think this girl is a runaway. So often the cops throw that term out there. I`m
very concerned. What more do we know? Has she been spotted?
MACK: She hasn`t been spotted. But what we know is the afternoon she went missing, she was dropped off at her house by a man looking between the
ages of 25 and 30, driving an older Volvo and filled with a bunch of other people. Also, a couple of days prior to her leaving and disappearing, she
left an ominous message for her boyfriend, indicating that his life was in jeopardy, as well as that of her family. I don`t think she left on her own
Nancy Grace was smart enough not to return to Mr. Madden's eye witness account.