Friday, May 6, 2016

Amanda Blackburn Murder Ideology Part Two


Ideology is the basis for culture.  You may not ascribe to the ideology, but you have been greatly influenced by its outworking; that is, by culture. 

Your language reflects this. 

You have a culture in your nation.  You also have a culture in your home, at your place of work, along with any religious or social societies of which you belong.  

There are some cases in which the ideology, itself, is a direct and powerful influence upon the language, more so than just the culture.  

In understanding language, the culture is important.  In understanding the culture, the ideology should be, in the very least, something the analyst is familiar with.  

In the Amanda Blackburn murder, I am preparing analysis on the ideology and the culture and it is important but I have a very different reason for doing so than most might consider. 

I have reported many times regarding Islamic crime, but I rarely post articles (and teachings) about the contextual work within Statement Analysis.  Much of it is too complex for casual reading, and is part of a much larger teaching, point by point, element by element, in which the student is presented with a statement that has obvious cultural reference points where he or she must counter our own cultural bias and projection, in order to the get to the truth.  In the criminal activity in Europe, it is important to understand the ideology first, the culture next, and how this is thus reacted to by the host nation.  Generally, projection is first noted, but when this fails, deception enters to protect the narrative.  

It is complex, which means that it takes much to cover; far more than in a blog, but also it becomes something often misunderstood, which I have learned from some 'rebuttal' posts over the years. 

"Well, if you are saying this is cultural, than that means that in this other case..."

These "other cases" that are cited are often very simple cases where guilt is indicated, but the emotions run high.  It is as if to search for a reason why the analysis can't be right.  

Statement Analysis is very complex, and its simplest forms are posted here on the blog. They serve their purposes, including inspiring some to dedicate themselves to obtaining knowledge.   Those who do not grow beyond the blog cannot put their name on analysis for very long:  the first error will be the last and credibility is lost and the science indicted.  This was the result of the UK testing I have cited in the past.  Yet speak to one who has studied at length and listen to the confidence he or she shows in solving any case where human communication is not hindered, and then move on to the actual track record.  

It is impressive.  

I am privileged to work with professionals from all walks of life, who share a desire for truth.  Narrative trumps truth for many today, but not among the professional analysts.  They don't "have a dog in the fight" but if they feel they have a 'puppy', they readily talk about it, seeking to counter its influence.  

All of us 'root' for one thing or another, including a belief that this sports hero, or that politician will 'save the day.'  

It is also unpleasant when one is seen as deceptive. 

I recall an email I received years ago from a well educated, polite and respectful gentleman who happened to be a baseball fan who's love of the game is intense. 

He read my analysis of Ryan Braun's denial of PEDs.

He thought that Ryan Braun was "very persuasive" and used so many terms to "really prove" how he did not put a needle of hormones in his rear end. 

Mr. Braun's denial has become part of the "101 teaching" that is useful in introducing principle, and leading analysts to conclusions. 

His denial was goofy.  

It was, technically, "unreliable", which does not mean "deception indicated" for us.  

In his denial was embedded information, including that his PEDs were administered via needle, not some 'random infestation of Mexican or Chinese beef'; the latest excuse in professional sports.  

The statement, in its entirety, revealed one who:

a.  Used PEDs
b.  Had a tremendous need to persuade
c.  Cared about his reputation
d.  Had used, likely, for quite some time
e.  Was willing to not stop talking until the audience gave in;

but there was something else his statement and subsequent statements showed.  

It showed a willingness to bring harm to others, even if only castigating a Fedex employee.  

It may seem to be minor ("only") but the man who made $46,800 salary to support his family has lost far more than Braun's weekly paycheck of $46,800 during his suspension.  Consider the devastation for one to lose his job in this case, or in the attacks of Lance Armstrong where he sought to (and succeeded in some degrees) to destroy men and their entire businesses.  He sought to destroy one woman by impugning her reputation as a woman.  It was cruel, petty and it also revealed his own depths of just how low he would go, instinctively, to protect himself.  He called the Irish masseur a "whore" to the public, which included everyone in her field of employment (athletics) and it is unknown how this impacted 

This is a personality trait of a habitual liar; not a panic or embarrassed liar.  

The habitual liar is a life long deceiver, who learned early in childhood years, that he, himself, is more important than anyone else in the world.  He has honed his craft his entire life and it is now instinctive for him.  In any day by day situation, it is not his impulse to, for example, put others first before him.  This is the element of 'sacrifice' inherent in all societies:  one sacrifices, or one is sacrificed due to the inequality and complexity of life.  

The habitual or "pathological liar" will, whenever called upon, harm others to protect self.  At times, this desire to harm one who dares question, or who actually contradicts (such as a witness) is realized with action.  Sometimes the action is civil, other times it is in the form of a threat, intended to intimidate, frighten, or even coerce its target. Sometimes the action is violent.  But there is another element that is important in advanced analysis and profiling, to consider:  

Sometimes, this action of harm was not even necessary in the overall case, elevating the emotional demand for some form of 'satisfaction' over the insult.  

In interviewing pathological liars, it seems that no payment is enough.  They do not feel 'full' or 'complete' and the animosity may go underground (passive aggressive) and the need to insult remains.  This is sometimes evident in the words of praise:  a touch of vinegar masqueraded by a strong intellect. 

It was for revenge, and the emotional satisfaction the liar receives in seeing what he calls "justice."  It is not justice.  

Liars will emotionally bristle, for years, over those who dared disagree with them.  They harbor, nurture, and protect this bitterness, even as it may be taking years off their own lifespan, as something of great value. 

You lie. 

I lie.

We feel it, within, and have a need to "make things right." Sometimes this desire to make things right even takes years where we have put it out of our mind, but something arises and we feel a need to straighten that which our tongue made crooked.  This is a reflection from childhood. 

It is precisely what I use to protect companies against illicit claims.  

We cannot project this childhood lesson upon others lest we err in our final analysis and leave ourselves, the company, or the public at large, at serious risk. 

The liar lies, and he, too,  also has a need to "make things right" but not as you and I do.  He needs to 'even the score' or 'balance the books.'

Why?

Because the insult of not being believed is more than just an insult; it is an insult that brings him right back to childhood, and it strikes at the core of his very being. 

You have not disagreed with what he said:  you have exhaustively condemned who he is, as a human being. 

You and I do not 'hear' what he hears and with this in mind, consider the ancient proverb that talks of those who do not sleep unless they have brought trouble to someone. 

In the murder of Amanda Blackburn, the language of the victim's husband has not only been cited for deception, but noted for its bizarre nature.  Simply put, it is not expected for a grieving husband to use such distancing language from his wife that it appears "extreme", just as it is most unexpected for someone, in any field, to talk about 'business success' above and beyond linguistic concern for the two victims of this brutal murder.  

Religious Context 

Some have dismissed this as cultural (or ideological) while others think it is psychological disturbance, such as extreme narcissism joined to religious language. 

It is not. These do not understand the dynamics of a clash between ideology and personal gain.  

It will take some time to reach this point, and some effort on the part of readers to wade through detail.  I recognize that as a "blog", the expectation is short and to the point.  In this case, I think the high level of interest and emotions (note the length of sentences within the comments) justifies the content.  

This is what I hope to get readers to consider:

When one knows the truth of an ideology but deliberately treats it with deception ("deception" must include intent; as error or inaccuracy doesn't necessitate deception) for a discernible purpose, this activity reveals a very specific personality trait.  

When it is coupled with a strong intellect, it is even more pronounced. 

Without grasping this clash,  or contradiction, one will not understand the 'why' of the language in this murder case.  The theme of the upcoming article is this very thing:  what type of personality does it take to know the truth, and deliberately alter, edit, destroy, imbalance, or even negate, for a singular purpose, publicly, employing all of his skills and energy to do so?

Although this will be addressed in detail, it is not about legitimate differences and arguments among those who genuinely seek the truth.  

It is a pragmatic lie that is distinctly deceptive and it is for a singular purpose, and this purpose is employed publicly.  

For this classification, these elements must be present:

1.  Direct Knowledge
2.  Purposeful goal (pragmatism with resolve)  
3.  Very Strong Intellect 
4.   Courage, or element of fearlessness; not easily discouraged
5.   Unyielding position
6.  Public stance (which allows for public challenge).  This is important because any pragmatic view can be adopted without being challenged.  Consider what politicians have done the last few years when caught, hypocritically going directly against their words previously embraced.  Instead of being in the spotlight and being condemned as a hypocrite, they are praised.  Why?

"My position evolved."

This leaves one with no reference point, ever, for anyone, on any issue.  

With the element of religious ideology, it takes a very specific personality type to stand before public scrutiny and use deception.  

As we look at the ideology first, the deception second, and the results of the deception, we see a personality type emerge for us.  We take this with us as we analyze the words within the murder case to learn:

Do the words affirm this type?
Do the words deny this type?
Are the words indifferent?

With this answer, we then move on to the final analysis and conclusion. 

It gives a large portrait, yes, but more importantly, it allows the truth seeker to enter the shoes of the subject and understand his verbalized perception of reality in a much deeper and accurate manner.  

That which appears 'mysterious' loses some of the 'unknown' when the ideology conflict is recognized.  

It rectifies much for the listener.  

It is worth the study.  




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rosy said...

Anonymous HISG said...
Why was Amanda buying shoes for her and Weston at garage sales? This is not sanitary...

So funny. The shoes were/are cool. No one forced Amanda to have a thing for Vintage. It was part of her life, part of her identity.

flightfulbird said...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BCtC3rVIERnGWWimaiweQO_IpSBJSPH1jCpYqk0/

Meg and Ashley went to the zoo with Davey and Weston. Previous posters have wondered who was taking all the pictures of Davey and Weston together. Maybe these two have been cruising with Davey his past six months and have been only too glad to help him grieve uh....the loss that was devastating to THE FAMIlY (not to him).

Bobcat said...

DB accepts a student award at SWU with his best accessory.

“Through the past five months we had felt the prayers of the SWU community and felt the prayers of this entire country, and I really honestly believe the true courage award goes to Amanda and the way that she lived her life,” said Blackburn, accepting the award with his son Weston in his arms. “There’s not a chance in the world we would have been able to make it through these five months without the Lord; He’s been very good to us, very faithful to us through it all. Without the friends and family who have surrounded us – not the least of which is the SWU family – I want to thank you from the bottom of our hearts.”

http://www.swu.edu/about-swu/news/swu-presents-blackburn-with-courage-award/#.VzPqiIQrK00

Anonymous said...

It WAS Meg who was involved; now it's Ashley.

This "analysis" (and I use the word loosely) is getting more unrealistic by the minute.

MB

HISG said...

Rosy,

Oh really? And you would know this how? That Amanda had a "thing" for vintage? It sounds to me like Amanda was struggling penny to penny to make ends meet for her and Weston while Davey made sure to buy himself high end clothes. Even his sunglasses look like they cost a pretty penny. Davey was not being himself shoes at garage sales, digging through dusty boxes full of spiders just to find a 50 cent pair of shoes. Let's not even mention what he may have been buying for Ashley. We know it was enough for her to feel she could dethrone Amanda as wife and mother and move into her house and raise her son.

Violet said...

Anonymous @ 9:26 pm, I assure you I am not HISG, but I do agree with him (or her) on this one. I do NOT agree about Weston having bruises, though.

The reason I am convinced about Ashley is because I was married to a man that had eyes like hers, void of emotion except for happiness in being able to dupe someone. He is a sociopath and a pathological liar and the look I see in Ashley's eyes ran all through me, as it is all too familiar.

If you are not familiar with duper's delight eyes, then you probably won't understand it.

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HISG said...

Flightfulbird,

Yes, what a picture Ashley took of Davey crouching in his tightest jeans next to a tiger. How dreamy! How much more appealing he must seem than her stoner husband, unshaven, probably unwashed, fixated on learning basic guitar chords, meanwhile she's off with her studmuffin Davey.
I also see there are pictures of Amanda shopping for shoes on her hubby's instagram. I don't see her digging through boxes filled with spiders to find a pair of shoes that cost 2 quarters.

HISG said...

Violet,

Yes, it is an unmistakable look, a look you never forget.
Out of all the characters we have looked at, the look in her eye along with her grin sent chills up my spine, and I recognized the look of a psychopath.
She would have felt envy and hatred for Amanda, as psychopaths despise kindness and love, something they can never feel, yet somehow envy.

rosy said...

HISG said...

Rosy,

Oh really? And you would know this how? That Amanda had a "thing" for vintage?
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---HISG
Are you unaware that Amanda ran a business, a Vintage furniture store called Weathered Willow? You can see info on FB and Twitter etc.

"vintage home decor, barnwood signs, window art, and more!"
https://www.facebook.com/weatheredwillow/

HISG said...

Rosy,

I am aware. She was deprived of money by Davey and was doing very difficult work of trying to refurbish old furniture so that she could have some money for her and Weston . I will check out the link you provided.

rosy said...

HISG

refinishing old furniture is not difficult work. Now you're sounding like ABB.

Either yoyu stand by what you said or you're being hishonest, and this is a blog about finding truth. You said:

"Oh really? And you would know this how? That Amanda had a "thing" for vintage?"

Now you say, you knew she had a thing for vintage. I don't believe you're in touch with truth.

Oh please said...

MB, the vultures must pick the flesh of everyone Davey Blackburn knows. They won't be satisfied until there's nothing left, and no one is immune. All under the guise of "justice for Amanda."

It's the same bunch that frequently laments that Weston is doomed being raised by DB. So now they live with a seemingly nice couple, and Weston has a mother figure -- Amanda's dear friend Ashley -- who is helping raise her dead friend's baby. Now she gets accused of being involved in Amanda's murder. It's all very sick.


I'm beginning to think the people who believe all these women want DB so badly -- Meg, Ashley, etc. -- are actually very attracted to him themselves. (Just like ABB. She definitely has the hots for Davey.)

HISG said...

Rosy,

I checked out the link.

She did beautiful work and I can tell by her arrangements, she has an artist's eye.

I have questions:

I wonder why everything she painted is cream colored, although it looks lovely, would this not have gotten monotonous using this same paint color?

I see that she writes that she was put on a budget of $500 for Weston's nursery (which I don't believe...I believe it was a much lower amount) and she had to buy garage sale furniture and refurbish it? Paint fumes while pregnant? Davey could afford to buy her nursery furniture from a store. I also notice she echoes the very words I used above where she states that she had to "count pennies" to make Weston a nursery.

Very talented woman, but I stand by my claim that Davey was withholding money for necessities, perhaps even for food or formula...one doesnt buy clothes at a garage sale and resell unless one is in dire need of money.

HISG said...

Oh Please,

Is it normal for a "best friend" to be grinning with delight when her "best friend" has been shot in the head and is hooked up to a ventilator clinging to life?

Violet said...

Oh Please, @ 11:38 pm, I am entitled to my opinion just as you are to yours. I call it like I see it. Why are you such a cheerleader for DB? I can assure you that I feel no attraction to DB with his chicklet teeth and fake tan, and the worst part being his arrogant personality.

HISG @ 11:20 pm, I completely agree.

Violet said...

DB and his entire clan, from family to friends, to his mentors and parishioners, they are all weird. Does nobody around him in the "real" world (versus online world), find it odd that he hasn't been called out and questioned? It's as if they live in the twilight zone, in "Bizarro Denial World".

Oh please said...

Who said anything about you not having a right to your opinion, Violet? You seem confused. And I wasn't cheerleading for DB -- I was talking about all the other people who get accused of murder along with him. Try to keep up.




HISG, maybe Amanda was such a wonderful person that they couldn't help but smile thinking about her. Maybe the reality hadn't sunk in. They don't look delighted to me. I think you have a bad case of confirmation bias.

HISG said...

I see where Ashley says that one of Amanda's wonderful qualities was that she listened to everyone and "bought in to what you were saying".

Poor Amanda...she couldn't see...evil...right in front of her.

I see where Ashley writes that 2 of Weston's favorite words are "Mommy and Daddy".
It sounds like he is calling Ashley "Mommy". ****shudder***

HISG said...

Oh please,

I am seeing delight on Ashley's face. Absolutely. There is no confusing a kind smile with her grin of pure evil...it is in the eyes also, as Violet pointed out, a bizarre and wild delight in the eyes. I wish it weren't so.

rosy said...

HISG

1. What does your current theory of penny-pinching imposed on AB by a demonic DB have to do with your previous theory that a demonic female friend is the prime suspect? Or your other theory that sexual orientation explains all? How do the gang-bangers fit in with the demonic female friend theory or any of these theories?

FYI, the All Star Chucks she and Weston are wearing in one photo sell new for $50 and up. Her photo is a copy of an ad used to sell those shoes. A friend commented:

"I keep looking for matching chucks! That aren't crazy expensive lol"

AB commented on another of her photos: "Little Chucks and Pumas for .50 cents each. I will never pay full retail for baby clothes!"

See also her photo: "Garage sale find of the day...baby nikes. 50 cents"

And - "Perk of garage saling for a job...finding treasures like $4 baby sperrys. #notapregocomment" (i.e. she was not pregnant).

AB added that she also bought Weston "Gap shoes!"

Sperry shoes for babies cost from $31.95 - $64 at amazon. You can see Pinterest pages for these collectable shoes. They are hip, cult shoes. People buy and sell them on e-bay. Wealthy people sell them almost unused at garage sales; savvy hip people look for them there. Buying and selling items like this at a yard sale is hip and COOL.

On Facebook, Amanda's sister Amber regularly advertises lightly-worn clothes from her own wardrobe and from her husband and their kids. They women in the family are clothes and appearance conscious. See the photos Amanda took her of her various nail painting styles, and her love of tanning and blonding.

Amanda taught DB how to be stylish. Look at him in early photos before they married. He had no clue.

This is how Chuck shoes are advertised: "The Chuck Taylor All Star is the most iconic sneaker in the world, recognized for its unmistakable silhouette, star-centered ankle patch and cultural authenticity. And like the best paradigms, it only gets better with time. For generations, these classic colors and quality, vulcanized rubber sole have defined an icon. Created for the court but adopted by rebels, rockers, rappers, artists, dreamers, thinkers and originals, the Chuck Taylor All Star sneaker continues to celebrate personal style and individual self-expression."

It's not poverty that motivates people to hunt for items like these in garage sales. And it's not Jesus either.

rosy said...

HISG

if I may make a suggestion, it doesn't help to add details from own phobias, like " dusty boxes full of spiders." And the aim was never "just to find a 50 cent pair of shoes" but to find shoes worth $50 and up for 50 cents. Some people are driven by business sense. "I will never pay retail" is a business person's credo.

They were running a retail business called Resonate. Business values were part of what Amanda brought to the partnership along with a cool sense of style.

LBean said...

I'm from Amanda's hometown and thereabouts. Garage-saleing is literally a family value there. Garage sales are often in really high end areas too. Seriously. Weekends are spent garage saleing. Even upper middle class women do it. Most people who have money in the area are not "old money", they have prety strong thrifty values. This is reflected in her furniture refinishing biz, too. Antiques are really huge in the area too, one of the largest antiques fairs is held a few miles to the south. People travel from all over the world to hunt for bargains! This is also "Amish country". Lots of emphasis on homemade, thrift, etc.

However...it's obvious that Davey spends a lot on his wardrobe etc., perhaps on the advice of Perry Noble, who resells his slightly used stage costumes(YKWIM) on Instagram. Appearance is everything for the huckster-church.

Violet said...

Oh please, I was commenting that you were wrong in thinking people bash those around DB because they are attracted to him.

Ashley didn't look like she was fondly remembering Amanda and "maybe the reality hadn't sunk in". Her look is of gloating, and pure glee for what happened. Perhaps you should study the video closer? Also, read up on socipath's gazes, eye movements, body demeanor, etc. Ashley fits the bill.

Anonymous said...

Buying second hand shoes is not unsanitary, especially not for a baby, where they are just fancy foot covers.
I always buy second hand, it is responsible to mother earth, and why pay 40 for something you can save 35-39 on, and stash the cash in a college savings, or a Disney fund? I think that Garage-Saleing was her hobby/job, so she was multi-tasking by picking up cute shoes for the baby.

Anonymous said...

I just watched an interesting Dateline tonight, where this man paid for a hit on his wife, 9 years or so later, they finally tested the shoe lace used to tie son's hands behind his back and give him a mild beating, (the dna test was not done initially) and it hit on a crip gang member. He did NOT roll, when interviewed in jail on the man that paid for the hit, ugh.

Anonymous said...

The commenters who think they can diagnose someone as a psychopath or sociopath by looking at their eyes and body movements are delusional.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
"The commenters who think they can diagnose someone as a psychopath or sociopath by looking at their eyes and body movements are delusional."

Yes, and what do any of these off-the-wall theories have to do with SA? With multiple (by the day) wild theories, it's a distraction to true analyses. In fact, it makes the site seem as if it's home to a bunch of loonies, when in fact, it's only a couple (maybe even only one).

Anonymous said...

Sorry....the last anon is MB.

Nic said...

Anonymous rosy said...
Nic said...
10:30 AM

It's exactly how ObamaCare was marketed and accepted....
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Nic spent a paragraph attacking Obamacare, with no sound economic basis for doing so and no connection to this case.

Please keep presidential politics out of this discussion.


It was used as an example in conjunction to how marketing plans and "branding" are strategized and executed. You drove my point home beautifully.

Anonymous said...

The rash of theories and examples here are driven by ideology...political, spiritual, or personal in whatever manner.

Your example, based upon politics, is disputable and generated from a conservative mindset.

Leslie said...

HISG,

Amanda's refurbished furniture business was considered "shabby chic." The color palate that defines that style includes whites, creams, and other pastels. From what I could tell, Amanda's furniture and items were mostly painted different shades of white, cream, or light yellow, which was very tasteful. She had multiple people wanting to purchase the same items, so, obviously the shades she used were a hit.

I enjoyed yard sales, garage sales, vintage and GoodWill shopping before it became trendy. Many of my children's clothes and (gasp) even shoes were second-hand. We were not poor and my husband didn't give me a budget. Thankfully, no one made the jump to assuming that social services needed to investigate.

Moving on....At the very last moment of the segment of the news video where the Barretts were interviewed, Ashley's expression changes and she looks like she's crying, or about to cry (or that's how she appeared to me, anyway). Nothing on my radar tells me that Derek is gay, or that Ashley is a sociopath. In fact, in the many photos of Amanda and Ashley, they look like genuine friends. But, I realize looks can be deceiving.

If there was really a threesome, or some other unconventional sexual relationship going on, would DB be so bold as to invite the Barretts to live with he and Weston? It is certainly a convenient set-up, however, with DB getting meals prepared for him, and built-in daycare for Weston. But, that doesn't mean the Barretts are murderers, IMO.

Although I don't agree with Ima.grandma that Davey has Borderline Personality Disorder, the one trait that he possibly has is the fear of abandonment (ironically, if he was involved with Amanda's murder). That's usually the strongest trait of people with BPD, and they FEAR and hate being alone.

Nic said...

Anonymous said:
The rash of theories and examples here are driven by ideology...political, spiritual, or personal in whatever manner.

Your example, based upon politics, is disputable and generated from a conservative mindset.


My point is not based on "politics", although you're choosing to make it so. M'y point is that the universal health care program was branded with Obama's name so that there would be little to no debate in the first place.


Nic said...
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Nic said...

Your example, based upon politics, is disputable and generated from a conservative mindset.

This made me laugh out loud.

Anonymous said...

I'm basing it on SA....the way many of you people are "analyzing" this murder. (Sarcasm, in case it's missed).

MB

Violet said...

To MB/Anonymous at 6:46am, didn't you just do what you accused others of doing, and you agreed with the poster before you, at 6:31 am, calling others delusional, and in your words "loonies". Did you diagnose it, or were you merely giving your thoughts on it, as I did about Ashley and the sociopathy?


Pot, meet kettle.

Anonymous said...

Oh my gosh! Are you psychic? Have you not learned anything about statement analysis? You are something else.

Violet said...

Leslie @ 7:37 am, nothing about Derek strikes me as him being gay, either.

But, if you look at Davey's statements and his defensive attitude about the 3 of them living together, something is amiss. I wondered if it's more about Davey and Ashley being together, with Derek allowing it.

Anonymous said...

"To MB/Anonymous at 6:46am, didn't you just do what you accused others of doing, and you agreed with the poster before you, at 6:31 am, calling others delusional, and in your words "loonies". Did you diagnose it, or were you merely giving your thoughts on it, as I did about Ashley"

Is "loony" an actual diagnosis? A loony is a foolish or crazy person. I'm saying you're foolish for diagnosing from pictures .... And from your personal bias.


MB

Violet said...

MB, my point is you also agreed with anonymous at 6:31 am, about posters being delusional. Delusional disorder is a serious mental condition. Also, "loonie" typically implies being crazy, aka having a mental disorder.

Thus, my "pot, meet kettle" remark. You implied some posters have a mental disorder, and I implied Ashley appeared sociopathic by her eyes.

You are correct about one thing, though. This blog is about SA and we are off topic. Thus, I am finished and will no longer argue my stance with you. Lesson learned. Have a good day.

Anonymous said...

You are unbelievably paranoid with a wild imagination. Crap! You must torment your family & friends with accusations.

Fm25 said...

Ok, this threads gone a little wonky. The natives are getting restless waiting for peter's new article and the anon vultures are circling overhead. A lot of theories may get thrown around here and yes some are over the top but there has been a lot of sound analyses done. Let's try to stay on track.

Anonymous said...

Violet.....

Loony means foolish or crazy. I used it in a slang version as a noun, meaning people are FOOLISH to diagnose mental illness or personality disorder from photos on the Internet.

Not only that, it has nothing to do with SA.....or legitimate analysis, for that matter.

MB




loony
adjective [-er/-est only] US /ˈlu·ni/

› foolish or crazy:
He has loony ideas.
(Definition of loony from the Cambridge Academic Content Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)

lynda said...

Looking at AB facebook, the guy thinks he's untouchable. Percs for 10 bucks a pill. Selling weed and medicinal weed also, advertising. Threatening posts that he can have his homies do his dirty work and you'll never see him coming, and I can find at least 2 posts with him saying he doesn't snitch. He protests to much. The 3 murderers were his crew, there is no way that he and/or Donae is not the CI. AB holds the key to ever involving Davey in this.

Anonymous said...


For you fools' edification, from freedictionary.com:

de·lu·sion (dĭ-lo͞o′zhən)
n.
1.
a. The act or process of deluding.
b. The state of being deluded.
2.
a. A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.



The term fits here.

MB

Anonymous said...

It's possible the CI is one of the people whose name is blacked out on the rape affidavit.

Violet said...

MB, thank you for the clarification. Point taken.

Anonymous @ 9:50, no need for hurling insults because you don't agree with someone.

Back on topic now--lynda, yes AB has a lot of nerve and does appear to think he's untouchable. If he or Donae is not the CI, it would be interesting to know who is. Someone had posted before, that it would never come out unless the CI testified in court?

I don't think we will ever know the truth about DB involvement. I usually lean towards him not being involved, just Davey relishing in being relieved of Amanda, but then I think back to Peter's statements about "there is no way someone is that lucky", and have to agree.

Violet said...

MB just when I try to respect you, you go and state "For you fools' edification"...seriously, what is with the name calling? You do not have to degrade others to get your point across.

Let's stay on topic, please.

Anonymous said...

On topic??? Lol.


This is STATEMENT analysis; not some arm chair psychiatrists' practice session or game show where multiple inane theories are floated and diagnoses are made from pictures.

Yes, back to topic, please.

BTW, I was merely illustrating to you the proper uses of loony and delusional, since, as with most other BS slung around here, no research was done before stating your bias.

Violet said...

MB, using your statements, it would appear that you get angered easily, feel as if you need to constantly defend yourself, and have little control of your fingers as they type your thoughts.

I refuse to respond to anymore of YOUR BS as you sling it around my way. I don't need you to illustrate anything for me, as I have lost any respect for you due to your insulting nature. To be respected, you must show respect.

By the way, it would be nice if you would stick to one identify and not flip flop between being MB and Anonymous. Please, at least try to remember to type your initials at the bottom of your posts, as you sit there typing away angrily and charged with emotion. Or just keep having your outbursts on here..either way, it doesn't affect my day. Carry on.



Anonymous said...

Violet, you degraded Ashley and her husband, you hypocrite. What goes around comes around.

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HISG said...

Dont have much time to address all my dissenters. Some miss the point...Amanda put on a budget by Davey who "led" her...make of it what you will.
I throw ideas out there. Take them ot leave them.
The Ashley thing, no that is not paranoia...I would actually think most people would recognize how disturbing and abnormal it is for a "best friend" to be grinning with glee when her best friend was just shot in the head (and at the time police thought she was raped also).

Back to SA, Ive found a nugget last night, a nugget of SA gold while watching a youtube video someone put together regarding this case (it has 2 parts: I think this quote is from part 2 but not sure). I am paraphrasing but when the interviewer asks about the unborn baby's name and says 'so her middle name was going to be Grace like Amanda's middle name?' Davey says in the fakest voice ever 'Yeah, just so she could have a little piece of her'.
Keep in mind they gave the unborn baby this name BEFORE Amanda was killed. So, this actually PROVES Davey was behind the murder, it proves the murder was premeditated (Amanda would die but Evie Grace would have a little piece of Amanda, in the form of the name given to the baby pre-birth. I will link videos below.
Also, after watching the videos, I believe Amanda was probably raped during her marriage by Davey.

Anonymous said...

That's not statement analysis. Please stop.

HISG said...

Here is the video;
"The intriguing murder of Amanda Blackburn and Her Intriguing Husband" Part 1

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S64tyQ7_E7M

Oh OK Anon. Davey saying he named his unborn baby PRIOR to Amanda's death Evie Grace SO THAT EVIE WOULD HAVE A LITTLE PIECE OF HER DOESNT INDICATE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF AMANDA'S DEATH AND ISNT STATEMENT ANALYSIS??????????

Anonymous said...

No, it doesn't, and no, it's not. I could give you a thousand reasons why, but I won't waste my time and energy.

HISG said...

The video is well worth watching regardless of one's opinion on the case. There is a part 2 also but I am pressed for time. And done trying to solve this case.

I challenge anyone of you to watch the video and come away thinking he is not involved or that he did not force sex on Amanda.

HISG said...

And yes I believe Ashley was involved also.
People cook up plans...one person suggests something...vicious hatred towards Amanda grew festering in both Ashley and Davey's hearts, I believe they both came up with the idea to kill her, or one did, and the other ran with it..

Violet said...

Thank you for the link to the video HISG. I am going to check it out now.

To anonymous at 11:41, you degrade yourself lashing out like that.

Violet said...

HISG I watched the video. I am not convinced Davey physically raped her in the standard sense, but I do see that he was very forceful in his words, and probably his actions as well, to get her to submit. He belittled her, he tried to convince her it was of the Bible to submit to him, he constantly badgered and embarrassed her. What an A$$ he must have been to live with. She must have felt as if she had no choice but to give in. I can't stand a man using the bible as his proof that his wife must give him sex.

He actually tried to get the church to feel sorry for him that he wasn't getting sex as often as he wanted. Poor, poor Davey...not.

In the first clips of the video, he was using body language and a voice that I would consider effeminate. Was that just him being silly or is his body language like that often?

Leslie said...

The videos were posted months ago on one of the other threads about Amanda's murder, and they are definitely worth watching!

From what I recall Amanda and Davey did not know the sex of the baby Amanda was carrying. IF that baby was a girl, Amanda was thinking she wanted to name her Everet and call her Evie. AFTER Amanda's murder, Davey said he believed, or felt the baby was a girl. He then added the middle name, Grace.

That said, the videos are excellent (the creator of them used to post here). For the record, I don't need convincing that DB was somehow involved in Amanda's murder.

Leslie said...

I agree that DB is looking and dressing more gay. His jean jacket appears to be Amanda's- short, tight on the arms, sleeves rolled up. He's wearing tighter skinny jeans/pants, and his hair is sticking up (spiked?) more in the front than ever.

Per the topic of branding, I totally agree that is very relevant to the culture of Resonate and NewSpring, and its significance and power needs to be considered in this case. It's been mentioned before that the many photos DB and others from Resonate posted on social media accounts, of the chalk drawings #ForIndy, paying it forward #ForIndy, with captions that brag about doing good deeds. Drawing attention to oneself, or one's church in that way, for doing good deeds, is not biblical. Technology also allows for the videotaping and posting of their entertaining rock concert type of services, lights and all. By trying to reach the younger generation, and reach the masses (whatever it takes), they cheapen the message, and do not come off as sincere. The shock factor is also utilized in sermons, flashing the gun (just days before Amanda's murder), a car where the alter should be, and, honestly, DB's dress and appearance. Selling their church is their number one priority, and social media, technology, and the shock factor helps them (and many other churches, particularly mega seeker churches) helps them reach more numbers.

Speaking of numbers, as has been discussed, posting photos with numbers of how many people attended church, how many were saved, how many were baptized, etc, is boastful, competitive, and misses the whole point of Christianity, per my understanding. The way these two churches, in particular, do remind me, also of MLM. This does not look or feel like authentic Christianity, imo.

Leslie said...

*The way these two churches (Resonate and NewSpring) in particular, operate, remind me of MLM.

Concerned said...

Leslie at 2:58,
Your comments about Davey and Resonate/NS are spot on.
The thing about bringing people in to participate in something "happening" and new means they must keep upping the ante to make them return...kind of like a Madonna concert. Calling it the "church" for which Christ died is blasphemy and I believe there will be a high price to pay for it.
I've read that these groups keep "saving" and "baptizing" the same people over and over so the numbers really mean nothing. The "pastors", the music and the lights get people all worked up and the push to get people to respond is relentless. It's all about getting that number up to put on social media!

Nic said...

Anonymous said:
The rash of theories and examples here are driven by ideology...political, spiritual, or personal in whatever manner.

Your example, based upon politics, is disputable and generated from a conservative mindset.

My point is not based on "politics", although you're choosing to make it so. M'y point is that the universal health care program was branded with Obama's name so that there would be little to no debate in the first place.

Blogger Nic said...
Your example, based upon politics, is disputable and generated from a conservative mindset.

This made me laugh out loud.

May 12, 2016 at 8:03 AM

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I'm basing it on SA....the way many of you people are "analyzing" this murder. (Sarcasm, in case it's missed).

MB

May 12, 2016 at 8:19 AM

__________

Anonymous/MB, the marketing principles can be applied to any industry. You're assuming because I chose a program marketed and implemented by the Obama government my example is not credible because it is "generated from a conservative mindset". If you go back to my original posts wherein I talk about identifying emotional response, you will see how ironic your (leftist) mindset betrays you.

Here is what you said:

Anonymous said:
The rash of theories and examples here are driven by ideology...political, spiritual, or personal in whatever manner.

Your (conservative mindset) example, based upon (conservative) politics, is disputable and generated from a conservative mindset.

So only conservative mindset is disputable? Bias much?

I'm not disputing the economics, etc., of Obamacare. I am talking about how marketers strategize to separate people and their money.

Lastly, per your request: "Please keep presidential politics out of this discussion. "

This is a public forum. We are each responsible for what we post. You can kindly keep to moderating your own stuff. If you don't like my analysis/commentary, skim!

HISG said...

I only have a minute, havent had time to read or catch up...will catch up on comments tonight. I just had an idea though and wanted to throw it out there.
Could the shooter have been female? (note: I am not saying I believe the shooter was female, it is just an idea, and I believe Davey was absolutely involved.). This thought came to me: Because of the way Amanda was left with panties removed, skirt pulled up, but NOT raped could this be because the shooter was female and the shooter wanted to leave Amanda in a humiliating, degrading way exposed like that but was not a man therefore did not actually rape her? More and more it becomes clear, Amanda was shot execution style...what is the need or purpose of any shooter staging it as a sexual homicide? So what is she was left partially undressed because the shooter was female and could not rape her but wanted to humiliate her?

smh said...

Larry Taylor is not female, therefore the shooter was not female.

Larry Taylor is a rapist. It's likely his plan to sexually assault Amanda was interrupted when his ride arrived, or it didn't appeal to him to rape a bleeding, dying woman. But he probably intended to do the same thing to her that he did to the other victim, who was raped, face-down, with a gun to the back of her head.

HISG said...

smh,

We dont know the shooter was Larry Taylor...but regardless, if Taylor raped the other woman while she was alive, why wouldnt he have raped Amanda while she was still alive? It's not like a rapist considers that "no biggie" if his target is alive or dead. Wasnt Taylor on the phone some of the time his buddies were at the ATM? And he was also smoking in the kitchen? Was there even time for him to think he could rape her? Perhaps there was. I am just throwing out ideas.

Violet said...

LT may have intended to rape her and had the gun to her head, but she resisted too much so he went ahead and shot her, or accidentally fired the gun too soon?

HISG said...

Violet,

It could be, certainly, that LT was going to rape her and she resisted and so he shot her.

I have a question though: If I am remembering correctly, Davey said that Amanda was usually "propped up in bed" when he would leave for the gym at 6:00 am. Now, the home invaders came in around 6:15 am? Is that right? Why was Amanda already showered and dressed? She was wearing a skirt and shirt. As a stay at home MOm who was usually propped up in bed at 6 am, why was she fully dressed at 6:15 am on the day of her murder? Is there any possibility that these were the clothes that she was wearing the day before and that she never changed out of them because she ever went to bed because of whatever was going on between her and Davey and was killed much earlier than 6:15 am while still wearing these clothes?
Also, I am curious why she was wearing a skirt. She seems to be a casual dresser, so I am wondering, that if in fact, she did get up earlier than usual and got dressed up in a skirt, could she have been told by Davey that someone was stopping by to buy one of her furniture creations and she wanted to look professional?
Point being, it seems very odd she was showered and dressed at 6:15 am when she was normally "propped up in bed" at 6:00 am.

HISG said...

Violet,

To respond to your earlier ques

"In the first clips of the video, he was using body language and a voice that I would consider effeminate. Was that just him being silly or is his body language like that often?"

I noticed that too and thought it was strange. His body language isn't like that often. My impression of it was either A) He was mocking homosexuals but also B) that he seemed to have the act down all too well and that may be how he acts if and when he is around gay people...kind of like him "leaking" how he sometimes acts. Very strange.

Anonymous said...

Where on earth are you getting that she was fully dressed and wearing a skirt?

HISG said...

It is in the probable cause document.

HISG said...

OK, I just found something that is extremely alarming.

I see on Davey's twitter that one of his friend's slept over his house last night. The guy's name is Anthony McDonald.

So, I went onto Anthony McDonald's twitter and found that the day before Amanda was killed, Anthony McDonald tweeted "Whenever you see a big redemption, there's a big crucifixion behind it. All ministry happens in the context of sacrifice." -@milesw
This was tweeted on November 9. Amanda was killed on November 10.

This guy knew she was going to die.






Commenter said...

I never read anything about a skirt.
I understand that she had a t-shirt semi-pulled over her head and panties laying beside her.

And it's sometimes amusing when one commenter chats with himself endlessly.
Sometimes, but not always.

Anonymous said...

Uh, yeah, there's nothing in the probable cause affidavit about a skirt. Commenter is correct.



HISG, what's the count on how many people you say are involved now? About a dozen? I've lost track.

HISG said...

Anon, go look on Anthony McDonald's twitter. He knew Amanda was going to die the day before she was killed. He is a friend of Davey's. He just slept over his house.

I may throw out lots of ideas, but this is serious concrete evidence that Davey was absolutely involved.

HISG said...

Look at Anthony McDonald's twitter. He knew she was going to die the day before she was killed. He is a friend of Davey's. He just slept over his house.

HISG said...

Go to Davey's twitter...you will see a tweet from Anthony McDonald about sleeping over his house. Then go to Anthony McDonald's page and scroll down to Nov 9.

Concerned said...

"I make examples outa Niggaz ! Mfs better stop playin wit me" (FB)
Alonzo is not feeling the love today.

Anonymous said...

HISG seems to believe his takes.....if he can just figure out which one he believes.

This is becoming a travesty and as far from SA as we can get.

MB

rosy said...

How did a shirt and skirt become figments of imagination here? Also a shower? No mention or evidence that Amanda took a shower that morning.

The shirt and gray panties referred to in the Affidavit (p. 15) may have been Amanda's nightwear. Some women sleep in T-shirt or tank top and panties or shorts (sometimes sold in sets). Or she could have been getting dressed. No other clothing of hers is mentioned in the living room or on the stairs (e.g., no jeans or tights, no sweater).

HISG said...

MB,

Why would Davey's friend tweet that the day before Amanda was killed?

He tweeted "Whenever you see a big redemption, there's a big crucifixion behind it. All ministry happens in the context of sacrifice." -@milesw

He tweeted this on Nov.9. Amanda was killed on NOv 10.

Do you find that suspicious or not? Yes or no?

Anonymous said...

Untreated mental illness is a terrible problem in this country.

Bingo3 said...

Bull was in prison in recent months ( I think released over the summer) but was not arrested for this crime that he was obviously very much involved. I have always hoped maybe they didn't arrest him because he had the information they needed possibly even in regard to Davey. Were they hoping the two guys would meet up again or that Bull would finally spill the beans to someone. (of course I am coming from this thinking DB was totally involved!)Bull is not making it easy on the cops at this point. I can't believe he is posting on FB the way he is! As Concerned wrote earlier, he has proved by his facebook posts such as "Put my young Niggaz on you" that he arranges things. How DB got involved with these guys and got this thing rolling, I will never know. Also, how NOTHING has come out thus far is even more surprising especially with BUll's loose tongue. I hope this goes to court. That may be the only hope to finally connecting DB to this horrific crime.

Leslie said...

DB's picture quote on instagram:

"For our light and momentary troubles are achieving for us an eternal glory that far outweighs them all." 2nd Corinthians 4:17

LIGHT and MOMENTARY troubles. Yep. That's how he's been acting.

HISG, you have a lot of zeal for this, and you could be onto something regarding Davey's friend, Anthony. It could be a connection. But, I wouldn't call it proof. Maybe that's just me. Anthony's tweet could be a religious concept. There are sacrifices made...The timing is interesting, but, it doesn't prove anything, imo. Wit all due respect, by all means, keep searching, researching, analyzing, etc. That is how things are solved. But, you sometimes seem to get ahead of yourself. We have no proof that Davey killed Amanda, no proof that he's gay, no proof that the Barretts are evil or into a threesome with him, no proof that he's abusing little Weston, etc. All of those things are pure speculation. It's interesting to come up with theories, but, please word your thoughts in such a way that you make it known that it's a working theory, not proof.

HISG said...

Leslie, thank you for your rational response.

Points well taken.

If you look at his twitter though, you will see that he does not frequently post religious quotes, at least not from the present day today to the point where I scrolled back to...Nov 9. I scrolled back that far to see what he had written around the time of the murder.

It is not proof, but I find it highly suspicious, and I am sure LE would find it very suspicious also, in light of the fact that her death has been talked about within their religious circles ad nauseum as being comparable to a sacrifice so that the church can grow and it's membership can grow, and the numbers which will get batpized...be reborn in Christ...that is "redemption". etc you catch my drift.
He summarized perfectly in that quote the way in which Davey talks about Amanda's death.

Anonymous said...

Amanda's dad, Meg, Ashley, Anthony...all these people (and more) were involved somehow in Amanda's death, and LE knows nothing about it?

MB

Anonymous said...

MB, LE is in on it, dontcha know?

:-P

HISG said...

MB

I'm definitely getting the feeling that there were several, perhaps many that knew, within the church. Who the hell knows how it was communicated to them? That they needed a "perfect" sacrifice to build their church. Maybe at their prayer meetings, networks, etc.

I'll see if I can find the news clip I watched last night of some church members interviewed right after Amanda died who seemed to be immediately "rationalizing" her death and saying all the good things that would come of it.
Yes, it sounds crazy, but yes, I now believe many knew.

HISG said...

At the bottom of post is a news clip done a few days after Amanda was killed.

I watched it last night, and it was impossible for me to just brush off how bizarre these church members responses are.
Interesting too how the first guy interviewed uses the term "storyline"...the "storyline" that will come from her death.

Yes it is crazy as hell, but these people are immediately rationalizing her death as something positive for the church. There is no normal shock and grief or repugnance towards the killing of a young pregnant mother! Maybe it's just me, but the responses of these church members are too bizarre to discount as nothing.

I think these people knew there was going to be a "sacrifice" to help their church grow.

Here is the clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFhOttMkD0

HISG said...

I think it was Steven King who said something to the effect that when the Devil comes he will be wearing a priest's collar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5uFV4iUWuw

This is like a Satanic cult. Period.

Poor poor Amanda.

HISG said...

Interview with Amanda's father:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxoszKWJVo

He looks real broken up. I like how he calls her a "something" instead of "someone".(sarcasm)

rosy said...

Anonymous HISG said...

the video interviews are of people at Davey's father's church. They'd never met Amanda. They were selected to respond to the reporter. They repeated PR sent out by DB's church probably as advised by Perry Noble's outfit. It's all phony. Not true personal or individual response.

LBean said...

You have to be a bit mental to belong to this type of church, so expect more "false positives", I guess. They are all nuts. Surely there are volumes and volumes of sordid tales to be told about the lot of them. But SOMEONE sent his "Young niggas" after Amanda. And that person is likely far removed from the church itself.

Obviously this was no random crime. Too much risk. Too much weirdness in the timeline, with the pre-game dawdling around at the neighbors' houses. This just isn't how a robbery spree works, ever, and in an upscale neighborhood they'd be in and out and there would be a specific target, not several. It's just way too risky. And then when they get to the Blackburn's, they decide to up the risk even more by trying to run their atm cards? Nope. That was the payment(for them, not the ringleader. One huge draw for these pastors, MLM or megachurch, is the tax free cash which is counted by them and them alone. I'm quite certain that the Perry Nobles of the world don't require the Davey Blackburns of the world to show their expense reports. Especially if they're "keeping up appearances", so to speak.

So, Davey has this wad of cash for the first time in his life, and he decides how to spend it in a way that he imagines will get him the most return. He is an aspiring "rich person", after all (or whatever the name of that book he lauds is). Beyond pure greed, Davey was probably insecure vis a vis Amanda's family, who weren't rich, but comfortable and certainly established from every angle. I know of their church. It's not some fly-by-night thing, it's a real church, with a real congregation. Davey just did "whatever it takes" to measure up.


I'm afraid there are some very lazy people in law enforcement these days, and when there is an obvious "perp" to be strung up and villified, they do it with relish and quickly move on.

CuriousGeorge said...

HISG said...
MB,

Why would Davey's friend tweet that the day before Amanda was killed?

He tweeted "Whenever you see a big redemption, there's a big crucifixion behind it. All ministry happens in the context of sacrifice." -@milesw

He tweeted this on Nov.9. Amanda was killed on NOv 10.

Do you find that suspicious or not? Yes or no?

May 12, 2016 at 8:25 PM


HISG, when did you read this on twitter? Did you get a screen capture? It is no longer on his twitter feed.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Statement Analysis is supposed to be analyzing statements. Much of this thread has devolved into a middle school cafeteria food fight, with posters throwing out theories with no documentable proof and other posters attacking posters and throwing punches. This isn't statement analysis, it's a train wreck. IF you wouldn't behave this way in a someone's living room, please don't behave this way in Peter's "house".

So, offering some statement analysis opportunity here. My local community today- the local news station received multiple calls and saw numerous Facebook comments and concerns about a big fight at the local high school with a massive LE response. In interviewing the local school board Superintendent, he aid that the school was not put on lockdown. There was only one fight. The fight ended very quickly. No one was hurt. He said a miscommunication with police led to the large response from law enforcement.

Based on his statement, how many of you believe him? What would you have asked the Superintendent in the interview?

Anonymous said...

Yes it is still there.

I see that Amy Smith is already twitter-stalking the guy. She needs to get a life.

snap said...

Not amusing at all.

Do not feed the troll(s).

Especially the one(s) in Florida.

I can only guess that since the sea water is contaminating the fresh water, the Florida troll(s) think it is ok to infest these waters.

Once again.

Remember: logic no work; no feed

Concerned said...

Snap @ 10:25
You do have a way with words.

HISG said...

Curious George,

I just checked. Yes, it is still there.

Anthony MacDonald (I had the spelling wrong with McDonald...it is MacDonald)...Go to Davey's twitter and you will see on his twitter page Anthony MacDonald thanking him for hosting him in his house with a picture of a bed. Click on that Anthony MacDonald and scroll down to Nov 9, 2015 and it is still there.

Anonymous said...

Who is Amy Smith and how is she twitter stalking him?

Leslie said...

Foolsfeedonfolly, can you copy/paste the question(s) the superintendent was asked, and what his response was? From your description it sounds like he's downplaying the seriousness of the fight, in hopes of justifying why the school was not put on lockdown. The use of the words "ONLY one fight, and, the fight ended VERY QUICKLY," sounds like minimization. It sounds like there WAS only one fight, but it was a really big one! It sounds like the superintendent is blaming the police for their large turnout brought attention to the issue (and media posts).

This is all a guess. I don't know what I'm doing!

Anonymous said...

Amy Smith fancies herself a "justice seeker" and spends waaaay too much time hounding DB and everyone he knows on twitter. She commented on that Anthony guy's post, because she just can't stop herself. Because mouthing off to him about who cooked and cleaned whhile he was at Db's house is helping to get "justice for Amanda." Eyeroll.

CuriousGeorge said...

HISG,

Thanks, found it. That was quite the spread Davey had prepared for his buddy.

Leslie said...

Anthony MacDonald put quotation marks around the quote, and credited it to a friend:

https://twitter.com/A_MacDonald/status/663816668985053184


"Whenever you see a big redemption, there's a big crucifixion behind it. All ministry happens in the context of sacrifice." - @milesw

@milesw is Miles Welch. The quote is probably on his page somewhere...


Anonymous said...

Anon,

I just looked and saw Amy Smith's comment. Wow...that is really odd. Not really sure what she's getting at there!

HISG said...

Curious George,

Glad you found it. Yeah, it certainly is quite a spread...although I guess part of being hospitable is providing your guests a big bag of Sour Patch Kids!

HISG said...

Leslie,

Thanks for the info about who the quote came from. I went to Miles Welch's page and scanned down quite a bit of it and do not see that quote anywhere so it's not like he got it off his page itself.
I think it's ominous as all hell MacDonald wrote that quote the day before her murder. It's not like he read it on Welch's page, and it's not like it was anywhere around Good Friday/Easter.
The quote itself is quite disturbing in and of itself.

And obviously this guy knows Davey well enough to stay at his home.
I'm just gonna say I think it is highly suspicious.

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Leslie @ 11:02 PM May 12, 2016

That's just it, there were no questions attributed to the interview, only his responses. Typically, it's nothing for the news station here to do taped one-on-one interview to immediately address any issue with the schools. The Superintendent often does interviews- there wasn't one in this case, so that was odd. It felt like "There's nothing to see here, folks. You can all go back to your daily activities.". It was definitely out of character for the Superintendent- he's very image conscious about the school system and quick to pre-empt and counter any possible negative perception.

I thought his comments were intentionally vague. I want to know who was involved- students, teachers, resource officer(s), coaches, former students? I want to know if weapons were involved (brandishing or threatened)? I want to know if those involved had merited prior disciplinary action? I want to know who called LE? How many calls or texts did LE receive? Where on the school grounds did the fight occur? How many people were involved? What nationalities were involved? Was this culturally motivated or gang-related (mutually exclusive)? I want him to define "hurt"- hurt and injured may not be the same thing. I want to know how many units responded to the scene. I want to hear the 911 call.

I have seen and heard this Superintendent outright lie in interviews to sway the public to support his position. He lied in an interview seeking additional school funding and I wrote a Letter to the Editor, citing hours of researched statistics for surrounding school districts (the newspaper called me and asked to run my letter as an Op-Ed article). I do not trust this man-his ambition is to make a name for himself with the National School Board Association, at the expense of the children's safety and education.

Ali said...

I would like to see SA on the "Weston, I want to tell you about your mommy" blog.

In it, CD says .

When you get older you’re going to have lots of questions about what happened the morning she was killed. (Like, why didn't you lock the door?")
Amanda made other women angry and envious.
Amanda had thick skin and was tough and gritty.
Amanda read a book on how to instill good sleeping patterns in Weston but allowed Weston to fall asleep on her. (It's SO sneaky. He pretends to praise her while degrading and demeaning her. NB: the book "baby wise" advocates strongly for letting a baby cry out and to NOT let baby fall asleep on you. He is the king of the backhanded compliment)

And how about this direct quote from the blog?

"...I loved to see how her heart broke..."

Or this

"She gave her life so you could have yours". Yikes. Guilt tripping a toddler.

Please, Peter can you analyse the "Weston, I want to tell you about your mommy" blog?

Anonymous said...





https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/09/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy/

Anonymous said...

A bit OT.

Below is a link to Peter's 1/1/2016 brief summary of 2015 cases and descriptions of how they played out on this blog.

I excerpted part of Peter's Amanda Blackburn comment analysis.


http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/01/top-five-analyzed-news-stories.html?m=1


"1. The Murder of Amanda Blackburn produced the most page views as well as the most comments. This case surpassed the Hailey Dunn case in the need for deleting comments. Initially, the comments were focused upon analysis, but later became filled with personal drama, projection and of late, comments where confidence in law enforcement appears low."

MB

Leslie said...

Foolsfeedonfolly, all that you wrote of your area's superintendent gives me pause. He sounds untrustworthy. That must be very frustrating and concerning to not only have no answers, but the fact that he wasn't even asked questions is alarming. This doesn't sound like transparency, that's for sure. Does he have pull with the local media?

Kudos to you for investigating issues in the past and being asked to write the op/ed piece!

Ali, I agree with your thoughts on how Davey will explain the "event" to Weston when he's older. His comment about the rigid sleep/wake cycle made me think of that baby book, as well. You're right- he's mocking her. Ugh.

Anonymous said...

Anon @11:25 pm, I'm pretty sure DB blocked her on twitter a long time ago, so the only way she can get his attention she so desperately craves is to make snide comments on his friends' posts.

These people who insert themselves into murder cases have some serious issues. Delusions of grandeur maybe. They like to pretend they're "solving" the case when all they're doing is harassing people while trying to make it all about them.

lynda said...

Davey has a new blog up, written by Amanda's sister, regarding their double wedding.

https://daveyblackburn.com/

Anonymous said...

DB/Meg fail at blogging so they have to have Amber do it.

DB loved Amanda as his beautiful "bride".

As a day-to-day wife and mother, not so much.

God forbid a swollen pregnant wife.

He was NOT going to go through that again.

Oy said...

Seriously? You think he could duct tape a toddler's mouth closed for hours and not leave significant marks on his face?

CuriousGeorge said...

HISG,

I imagine there is a high chance you have put this connection together long before I did, but I find it curious. And can't help but think others will, too.

Anthony MacDonald works at UNITEDChurchDE as a generations pastor- whatever that might be. This is the church in Dover, DE where Kenneth Wagner is the pastor. Kenneth is the friend with whom Davey had a weekly accountability phone call. Kenneth is the friend Davey was talking to in the driveway as Amanda lay bleeding out in his home. Kenneth tweeted about the phone call right after they spoke. Not the norm. Anthony tweeted the day before Amanda's death "Whenever you see a big redemption, there's a big crucifixion behind it. All ministry happens in the context of sacrifice." @milesw

It seems weird. Too coincidental. But possibly only that- a coincidence. It's possible that there was no knowledge of any sacrifice to be made, but it does sound like the CULTURE of this church brand is very much focused in on the idea GREAT SACRIFICE for GREAT, GREAT GAIN. Within the correct context that is the very essence of the Bible and God's redeeming plan for man. The great, great gain is to be Christ. Not necessarily actual temporal gain (wealth, fame, power, etc.) and forwarding of a brand on earth.

If the tweets are only coincidence- so VERY MANY coincidences in this crazy case- it still does go to helping shape an understanding of this particular church culture in which they are entrenched.

Oy said...

Seriously? You think he could duct tape a toddler's mouth closed for hours and not leave significant marks on his face?

ima.grandma said...

Bobcat, I apologize. I need to correct my error.

"flippin'" came from a different source:

Boom . . . Roasted
Anyone who has been a part of a creative team knows that this is STRAIGHT UP TRUFE!
Not to mention it’s flippin’ hilarious . . . If these principles are not applied, this is how your work can turn out . . .
Davey Blackburn
February 18, 2009 

"flippin'" came from another source dated earlier:

SO, PASTOR, HOW IS YOUR WIFE?
And WHEN you have a date night—leave your flippin’ cell phone in the car!  Give her your full, undivided attention…talk about life…dreams…plans.  Date night is NOT when you and her sit at a table…but you are on your cell phone solving problems for your church.
Perry Noble
September 27, 2006

ima.grandma said...

Gift:

1

https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_2014_spring/1?e=14014308/9865049

2

https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_prepare_to_launch_/1?e=14014308/9849934

3

https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_2013_summer/1?e=14014308/9864985

4

https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_2015_spring

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https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/support_raising_guide

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https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_2015_summer_17bc615518c4cc

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https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_2015_summer

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https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_2013_fall

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https://issuu.com/resonatechurch/docs/story_magazine_-_2013_summer

flightfulbird said...

Two questions -

Regarding the video comments of Ashley and Derek Barrett that were given while Amanda was on life support - they were already referring to her in the past tense. Is this common, if there is no foreknowledge and there has not yet been time for the situation to "sink in", e left behind to be talking about a still-living patient as though she was already gone?


And - Davey was talking about a song that "was on his iPod playlist in his car" and the song came on and it shattered him (or whatever words he used) because that was the song from when "Amanda was walking down he aisle" - but Amber's guest blog post (or has she actually taken over for Meg?) says that Amanda and her dad danced down the aisle to "Goin' To The Chapel". Would he have THAT song on a playlist in his car - really?

And VERY interesting connection between Anthony MacDonald and Kenneth Wagner - combined with their tweets the morning before and morning of Amanda's murder - WAY too much coincidence, in my mind.

flightfulbird said...

I missed a couple of words in my post above -

The first paragraph above should have ended "Is his common, if there is no foreknowledge and there has not yet been time for the situation to "sink in", FOR THOSE left behind to be talking about a still-living patient as though she was already gone?

Anonymous said...

Flightful:

"And - Davey was talking about a song that "was on his iPod playlist in his car" and the song came on and it shattered him (or whatever words he used) because that was the song from when "Amanda was walking down he aisle" - but Amber's guest blog post (or has she actually taken over for Meg?) says that Amanda and her dad danced down the aisle to "Goin' To The Chapel". Would he have THAT song on a playlist in his car - really?"

Great catch!
Whenever DB talks about crying for/about Amanda, you can bet it's a made up pile of steaming crap for his sheeple, including the standard christianese blog words "wept", "worshiped", and "prayed".

ima.grandma said...

https://kingsoracle.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/silence-quotes-hd-wallpaper-23.jpg

CuriousGeorge said...

Flightfulbird and Anonymous 1:37pm-

Agreed. Great catch! Not only would you not expect that song to be on his play list- although it could be- I would not expect him to state that she "walked" down the aisle as Amber says that the sister and their dad DANCED down the aisle. Those are very different images. Distinct verbs. I am starting to think his glossy, church facade will soon crack.

CuriousGeorge said...

This was from April-

flightfulbird said...
Another NewSpring video quote -

At 34:40 - such drama, with his eyes closed and his hand to his head - Davey says “I’ll never forget. . . a couple weeks after Amanda’s death, getting in my car and my iPod comes on automatically in my car, just that bluetooth feature, and it was the song that was played , um, while Amanda was walking down the aisle. . .and it just happened to be on a playlist, and it was like (makes sound like a bomb blowing up), like this crushing blow to me. . .

Leslie said...

Flightful,
I remember being horrified that everyone (Amber's & Davey's friends & relatives) spoke of Amber in the past tense before she was technically pronounced dead. I realize she was brain dead, but, still....

The people I've known who've lost loved ones do the opposite: they speak of them in present tense for quite some time AFTER they're deceased.

Call me crazy, but, my son took a job in another country, so I saved his last voicemail (we facetime)...just in case he doesn't make it back. Yet, DB erases everything from his phone?!

There ARE far too many coincidences showing up. Rationally, I seriously doubt that close friends from various churches were in on the plan. It would be unlikely that they would all go along with it, and someone would be bound to tell someone else, or confess, imo. YET, these various intersecting and overlapping associations and coincidences are getting bizarre. (Actually, the case was bizarre from the get-go, with all of the coincidences, so, I need another word that means more than bizarre...Extraordinarily beyond all reason.)

rosy said...

ima.grandma said ....
May 13, 2016 at 11:48 AM
gift
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Thank you! Those links to (another) Resonate are interesting. I checked them out a few months back in case they were all related. I don't see that they are. Resonate in Pullman, WA. dates from 4 years before the Blackburns' choice of the name and perhaps set the style adopted by the Blackburns. But Perry Noble's NewSpring predates both, founded in 2000. Resonate WA and its franchises, or branch "plants," in Moscow, Ellensburg, and Cheney WA may have been influenced partly by NewSpring and even by the massive success of Hillsong mega-church in Australia, founded in 1983 aqnd growing around the world:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsong_Church

I wouldn't be shocked if Davey Blackburn heard of Resonate WA before he picked that name for the Indianapolis church. He does do a lot of copy-catting. Churches always have been echo chambers.

"In December of 2006, 5 people, who would later be called Resonate Church, started meeting in a coffee shop in Pullman, WA."
http://resonate.net/story/

"The vision of Resonate Church is to bring the unchanging message of Christ’s rescue to a mindset embedded deeply in post-modernity. The aim is to reach our culture through transformational community while using a simple church structure that can be easily replicated elsewhere."
https://vimeo.com/resonatechurch


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rosy said...

Is Davey Blackburn an ordained minister? Where was he ordained, when was he ordained? Pics? Tweets? FB likes?

Leslie said...

I had come across the other Resonate churches' websites and facebook pages before, as well. Interesting.

I'm playing catchup & just read Amber's latest blog post. She has a beautiful and honest writing style. It's refreshing to be able to read something on the blog without all of the hidden meanings, twisting of facts, fabrications, and feeling the need to analyze double meanings, leakage, etc. And, I understand that Christians look forward to uniting with God/Jesus in heaven. Yet, this:

"If there is ANYONE I know who was literally RACING down heaven’s gates to get to Jesus, it was Amanda. I’ve never been MORE convinced that she was READY. Her heart LONGED for Heaven."

If Amanda was happily married, loved being a mother, and was excited about expecting their second baby, why would she be longing to leave the earth? I know Amanda is speaking from a spiritual viewpoint, but....Idk.

Leslie said...

Rosy, I think Davey must be self-ordained. I haven't been able to find any proof of him becoming ordained. After PN hired him, they church leaders might have laid hands on him & said a prayer, or something....I'll keep searching.

Anonymous said...

"Resonate WA and its franchises, or branch "plants," in Moscow, Ellensburg, and Cheney WA may have been influenced partly by NewSpring and even by the massive success of Hillsong mega-church in Australia, founded in 1983 and growing around the world"

Derek Barrett graduated from Hillsong International Leadership College in Australia.

Leslie said...

I haven't been able to confirm if DB is ordained, but, I seriously doubt it. Here's a link on the ordination & seminary topic, from NewSpring:

https://newspring.cc/articles/7-common-questions-about-newspring-leaders-perry-noble-and-celebrity-pastor

1. Are staff at NewSpring ordained or seminary graduates?

Some are, some aren’t. NewSpring staff and volunteers have a wide variety of church backgrounds, including different denominational and ministry experience.

Our Senior Pastor, Perry Noble, has been ordained and attended seminary. Perry dropped out because what he was learning in the classroom was not translating into his daily ministry.

We believe in equipping people for ministry through practical, hands-on leadership training. That’s why we started NewSpring College, a two-year school for those who feel called to ministry.

Higher education and seminary can be good ways to develop knowledge about the Bible and ministry. However, there’s nothing in the Bible requiring pastors to be educated or hold certain degrees. At the beginning of the Church, the pastors were unschooled, ordinary people. The most powerful aspect of their leadership and ministry was not their studies, but their relationship with and proximity to Jesus (Acts 4:13).

Anonymous said...

DB ordained by PN? Ha ha. PN was thrown out of the Baptist conference.

These are all "Independent" churches.

rosy said...

To officiate at weddings so he must be ordained, no?

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HISG said...

Curious George,

You wrote;

Anthony MacDonald works at UNITEDChurchDE as a generations pastor- whatever that might be. This is the church in Dover, DE where Kenneth Wagner is the pastor. Kenneth is the friend with whom Davey had a weekly accountability phone call. Kenneth is the friend Davey was talking to in the driveway as Amanda lay bleeding out in his home. Kenneth tweeted about the phone call right after they spoke. Not the norm. Anthony tweeted the day before Amanda's death "Whenever you see a big redemption, there's a big crucifixion behind it. All ministry happens in the context of sacrifice." @milesw

Thank you! This is an excellent find! And no, I did not know about this!
First let me say, I dont think the quote or the timing is coincidental.
Kenneth Wagner: What exactly was discussed in these weekly "accountability" phone calls? Should we be so naive to think Kenneth Wagner was taking time each week to make sure Davey hadnt sullied his "purity" by looking at naughty pictures on the internet, or were they discussing finding a "sacrifice"?
Sound crazy?
I was raised strict Roman Catholic, and the quote above from MacDonald's page is complete blashphemy where these people are spreading the idea that Christ's sacrifice which washed everyone of their sins, redeeming our fallen nature, opening the gates to Heaven, and freeing the souls from Purgatory was "not enough" and that repeated sacrifices are required. This type of thinking resembles an ancient Mayan sacrificial cult.
They also warp the story of Mary, Davey saying Amanda was presented to the Lord Holy and blameless (so this is him superinposing the Ascension of Mary to Heaven onto Amanda) while mixing it with the concept of a death sacrifice.
I believe a group of them knew there was to be a "sacrifice" and of course, proganda was sent out immediately to church members that Amanda's death would lead to "good things" and glorify the Church and grow the Church.
But there was a group that knew, had to have known: Davey, Wagner, MacDonald, Welch to name a few.
I womder if poor Amanda suspected...will look at her last journal entry to tonight when I get home.
Folks, this is a death cult.
Scary, because what will happen when they feel they need another sacrifice.

rosy said...



View the 2015 Indiana Code | View Previous Versions of the Indiana Code
2011 Indiana Code
TITLE 31. FAMILY LAW AND JUVENILE LAW
ARTICLE 11. FAMILY LAW: MARRIAGE
CHAPTER 6. AUTHORITY TO SOLEMNIZE MARRIAGES
IC 31-11-6
Chapter 6. Authority to Solemnize Marriages

So what constitutes a "minister of the gospel"?

IC 31-11-6-1
Persons authorized to solemnize marriages
Sec. 1. Marriages may be solemnized by any of the following:
(1) A member of the clergy of a religious organization (even if the cleric does not perform religious functions for an individual congregation), such as a minister of the gospel, a priest, a bishop, an archbishop, or a rabbi.
(2) A judge.
(3) A mayor, within the mayor's county.
ETC.

http://law.justia.com/codes/indiana/2011/title31/article11/chapter6

Leslie said...

Rosy-

According to this website, the clergy can perform marriages in IN. It doesn't state that they have to be ordained.

http://www.hoosiersunite.org/wp-content/uploads/FAQ_Marriage_Laws_Indiana_6-25-2014-1.pdf

(1) A member of the clergy of a religious organization (even if the cleric does not
perform religious functions for an individual congregation), such as a minister of
the gospel, a priest, a bishop, an archbishop, or a rabbi.

Fm25 said...

I remember davey talking about their wedding song. I don't remember what it was called but I remember it having something to do with his whole willing to give up her life for God story and thinking it was an odd choice for wedding.

Anonymous said...

It's incredibly easy to get ordained and start your own tax-free church.
I could do it right now. Please call me Pastor Anonymous.

http://www.ministerregistration.org/

The county clerk vital statistics will want marriage certificates completed correctly. They are probably more concerned that the marriage forms are complete than the ordination paperwork of the pastor.

Leslie said...

Rosy- Sorry, I didn't see your post of who IN allows to perform marriages, when I posted what I found. That settles that. No ordination required.

rosy said...

Pool at his new house.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFUNftzB4Jl/?taken-by=daveyblackburn

rosy said...

In a TV interview a week after Amanda's death Davey told the interviewer he was wearing her wedding ring:

"Davey Blackburn now wears his wife's wedding ring around his neck."

"She didn't want to be on display. She wanted Jesus to be on display. So she wanted something simple. Princess cut ring. Nothing gawdy. It's only a half carat," said Blackburn."

He longer wears her rind around his neck, as can bee seen from this photo, comparing his neck with Amber's (she has a chain around her neck un der her T-shirt, he does not).
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFHkeG1h4Gm/?taken-by=daveyblackburn

Also when he took his shirt off by a pool in Israel, PN noticed his six pack but not Amanda's wedding ring.

I wonder where decided to put the ring?

Anonymous said...

It looks like he's used a curling iron:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFKQFTCB4L4/?taken-by=daveyblackburn

Violet said...

@ Anonymous at 5:24 PM, Yes it does appear that he did. Goodness he's going all out. SMH

ima.grandma said...

Gift Bobcat:
http://moralrectitudeproj.weebly.com/uploads/4/7/7/2/47726317/680909494.jpg


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http://web.archive.org/web/20140105220008/http://newspring.cc/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20141218033827/https://newspringnetwork.com/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20140808111509/http://perrynoble.com/blog/10-characteristics-of-growing-churches

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http://apprising.org/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20100113130631/http://apprising.org/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20121206065104/http://newspring.cc/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160512231706/https://newspringnetwork.com/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20100917183007/http://www.newspring.cc/watchandlisten/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160506180620/http://blog.network.church/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160329155937/http://www.life.church/tools/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160513215416/https://open.church/ideas

HISG said...

Flightfulbird

You asked

Regarding the video comments of Ashley and Derek Barrett that were given while Amanda was on life support - they were already referring to her in the past tense. Is this common, if there is no foreknowledge and there has not yet been time for the situation to "sink in", e left behind to be talking about a still-living patient as though she was already gone?

I noticed that also, their use of past tense to refer to Amanda while she was still alive, and no, it is not normal. They should have been in some kind of denial that her death was imminent and respectful that she was , in fact, still alive. It shows an eagerness to see her dead, a willing acceptance even BEFORE she had died.

HISG said...

Ali,

That certainly is a troublesome line from Davey's "I want to tell you about your Mommy" post

"When you get older you’re going to have lots of questions about what happened the morning she was killed"

Weston will have lots of questions, just like the police did.
Weston will probably come up with even more questions than the police had, and Davey will have to think of more lies.

rosy said...

I feel drawn to compare DB dressing up to be photographed with some of the friends who ran the Indy Mini "in honor of @amandagblackburn" and Donald Trump pretending to "John Miller" and "John Barron," his supposed publicists.

DB dressed up in team colors - navy shorts & orange T-shirt, even put on navy running shoes - and pinned on a number, but he did not run. Although he never claimed he DID run, he sent the photo out on his social media without explaining that he did not run, nor why he did not run. Nor why he dressed up to be photo'd for posterity as in this event, which after all was supposed to be sacred in his mind to the memory of his wife.

This is a weird kind of deception. No less weird, Donald Trump's pretense of being his own spokesman "John Miller" dealing with media queries about his transition to a new wife.

"On Friday morning, Trump denied that he was the person on the tape. “It doesn’t sound like me on the phone, I will tell you that. And it was not me on the phone,” he said on the 'Today' show." But it does sound like him.

Bizarre.

HISG said...

Just throwing this out there: It is clear that Davey's church superimposes the Ascension of Mary onto the Death of Christ which is highly twisted and disturbing.

While driving today and thinking about the case, I wondered,

Is there a possibility that within this bizarre death cult-like thinking that they wanted a pregnant Amanda to sacrifice.

Perhaps the timing of the murder occurring right after she "broke the news of her pregnancy" to Davey had to do not with Davey being upset with the prospect of having another kid, rather in their eyes Amanda was then in a state more like the pregnant Virgin Mary...the way God chose Mary to carry Jesus in her womb because she was so holy, her pregnancy was like a sign of this Holiness...she had been "chosen". Perhaps Amanda being pregnant made her more like the Virgin Mary, a more perfect holy and blameless sacrifice.

ima.grandma said...

Gift  
http://aquotes.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/a4-positive-quotes-about-life.jpg

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http://web.archive.org/web/20071231063919/http://www.apprising.org/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160309132840/http://daveyblackburn.com/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160512231706/https://newspringnetwork.com/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160504144054/https://perrynoble.com/

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http://adammclane.com/2008/11/10/how-should-church-staff-be-treated/

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http://www.tigernet.com/forums/message.jspa?messageID=12081729

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https://perrynoble.com/blog/a-letter-to-the-church-i-love

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https://baptistcourier.com/2015/01/kellystatementnewspring/

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https://perrynoble.com/blog/a-letter-to-my-newspring-family-davey-and-amanda-blackburn-the-arrests-what

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http://discern.org/2015/01/president-of-south-carolina-baptist-convention-calls-for-perry-noble-and-newspring-to-correct-problematic-positions-and-statements/

HISG said...

What does the comment mean under the post on Davey's page written by Amanda's sister regarding their joyful double wedding mean? One poster commented that he hasn't been following Davey's story because he is a friend of Brad Cooper. I looked up Bradley Cooper and this was the man that Davey coped his gun sermon from?

Anonymous said...

HISG,

I noticed that as well. I think it may have been a typo or a misunderstood use of the word. I thought over it and perhaps she meant the double negative expression, "I can't not follow Davey's story."

HISG said...

You guys might find this interesting.

It's a 3 min. video of Perry Noble that I found on some guy's page who made a website criticizing Perry Noble.

In the video he talks about how people who don't like the church music "suck as human beings" and saying kids 6th grade and below are not allowed in his services bc his services are PG-13.

https://vimeo.com/26050869

HISG said...

Thanks Anon,

You are probably right about it being mixed up words...couldn't quite figure out what the heck he was saying.

ima.grandma said...

Gift for my teacher who wants to save the world

http://image.slidesharecdn.com/thegospelforbelievers-151112181808-lva1-app6891/95/the-gospel-for-believers-19-638.jpg?cb=1447352452


https://issuu.com/

HISG said...

Perry Noble blames homosexuality on Non-Tithers:

https://vimeo.com/22736084

Leslie said...

ima, I've been clicking on some of your links, and then I click on different tabs, articles, etc, and while going through the maze, I saw this article about PN, when he called people who want to delve deeper into the bible jackasses:

http://apprising.org/2009/12/08/perry-noble-says-youre-a-jackass/

And in the description of NewSpring:

"...built as it is on cult-of-personality pastors..."

CULT PERSONALITY PASTORS sums it up.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure I missed something....how do we know Davey dressed for the event but did not run the marathon?

HISG said...

I feel so very bad for Weston, especially having just looked at the picture from "Let me Tell You About Your Mommy", the picture of him approaching Amanda's grave on Mother's Day. That should have been a private gut-wrenching moment, but Davey had it photographed to share with all the world.

Weston had the love of a kind, nearly angelic mother, the precious love of his mother Amanda, to help heal him from the bumps and bruises he would suffer as he went through this cruel life. Now, instead he has this narcissistic closeted gay murderer of a father using him as an accessory. He lost his very connection to love and to God in his mother Amanda, the precious sweet love of a kind mother. Some are never so lucky to have had it, but Weston had it. Until it was taken away by the devil himself, devil Davey. I can only hope that Davey is convicted of this horrendous crime and Weston placed with a kind mother.

Leslie said...

Amen to that ^, HISG.

Anonymous @ 8:23, on the previous discussion page, CJ said he checked race results & DB's name & number didn't show up.

Anonymous said...

If HISG gave a rat's ass about Weston he/she/it wouldn't say disgusting things about Weston's grandfather being gay and having an incestuous relationship with Amanda. What a bunch of phony BS.

ima.grandma said...

Gift

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FoF25R8YPmw/TekOYFOgzMI/AAAAAAAAAII/UpI6SDu8798/s1600/faith+alone.png


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http://web.archive.org/web/20100905113025/http://www.newspring.cc/community/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160113123447/https://newspring.cc/stories

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http://web.archive.org/web/20120719225124/http://newspring.cc/stories/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20140410214331/http://newspring.cc/blog

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160325133441/https://newspring.cc/watchandread

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http://marshill.org/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20160319172319/https://newspring.cc/fuse

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http://marshill.org/blog/

Leslie said...

HISG, I also agree that Davey and Weston could have paid a private visit to Amanda's grave. But, marketing and promoting himself seems to be his priority.

ima, thanks for sharing all of the links!

rosy said...

Anonymous at 8:23 PM asked
....how do we know Davey dressed for the event but did not run the marathon?
======
He's not listed in the Mini Marathon results, nor is his number. So you might think, OK, did he drop out?

I don't think he ran. In the pre-race photo he wears the number pinned underneath his T-shirt, but does not have a bib on top of the shirt like runners including Ashley Barrett, who is listed.

Amanda's sister Amber is not wearing her bib or number in the photo, but she is listed in the results. So are the other runners who wear bibs with numbers in the photo (Tayler and Allison).

DB is quite careful NOT to say he ran - "I'm super proud of my 40 friends who ran...."

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFHkeG1h4Gm/

But why dress up, sport the number in an unofficial way, style his hair for the photo - and evidently not finish (even he started) and not explain?

Looks like PR to me.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BFHkeG1h4Gm/

http://www.500festival.com/node/421

Bobcat said...

Amanda's gravestone is so small, it is almost dwarfed by the bouquet of flowers.

I don't mind the humble size so much, but it is so small, it reminds me of the stones in my pet cemetery.

It should at least be on a larger base, because without one, it may sink and disappear within a few years.

That makes me sad.

Bobcat said...

Amanda's tiny stone:

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/05/09/weston-i-want-to-tell-you-about-your-mommy/

DB's grandmother's (Grandpa Blackburn's first wife) stone:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=58479868&PIpi=72441389

CuriousGeorge said...

Bobcat, I think Davey said something in his blog about the headstone not being ready yet. I had the same thought but then reading further it made me think it was still being made.

Bobcat said...

Curious,

I hope so!

Anonymous said...

Bobcat said...
Amanda's gravestone is so small, it is almost dwarfed by the bouquet of flowers.

I don't mind the humble size so much, but it is so small, it reminds me of the stones in my pet cemetery.

It should at least be on a larger base, because without one, it may sink and disappear within a few years.

That makes me sad.


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What do you see in that picture that you believe is Amanda's headstone? Are you claiming it's underneath the flowers?

HISG said...

You know what Mr Anon giving me crap, my comments about Weston's loss of his mother were about just that, not about Weston's grandfather.
But now that you have me on it:
Weston's grandfather is a giant phony.
Why dont you ask him why he called his precious daughter, Weston's MOTHER, a "thing" with a smile on his face after she was killed?
That's not respect from where I come from Anon.
Is it respect from where you come from Anon?

rosy said...

ima.grandma

not sure what your overall message is through these links, but my impression is Michigan Mars Hill looks like a responsible church run by growniups. I have no connection with their beliefs, so I look for how do they organize their child and youth groups, how do they manage counseling for adults? These 2 pages and links on same reassure me:


http://marshill.org/kids/about/faqs-2/

http://marshill.org/pastoral-care/#

By comparison, NewSpring's FUSE and GAUNTLET has struck me as having seriously wrong values and "atmosphere." DB's video'd "messages/sermons/entertainments" at FUSE were vile.

Anonymous said...

So it's ok for you to say disgusting things about his mom's relationship with his grandfather because of what he said? "He's an asshole, so I want to be an asshole, too." Great excuse, HISG.

ima.grandma said...

Gift for us all

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-nzq083BFnzo/VYhegJmZxGI/AAAAAAAAGJE/uuwUfozoOzw/s1600/justification-to-sanctification.jpg


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http://web.archive.org/web/20130903111122/http://tonymorganlive.com/2008/11/09/resign-today/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130903111122/http://tonymorganlive.com/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130902175503/http://tonymorganlive.com/

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https://tonymorganlive.com/2008/09/05/the-future-of-student-ministry/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20131016015420/https://twitter.com/BCooP

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130826101532/http://www.bradcooper.us/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130902180309/http://tonymorganlive.com/resources/

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https://vimeo.com/user584756/videos

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http://web.archive.org/web/20081120142319/http://www.pudgehuckaby.com/archives/438

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130712062628/http://marshill.com/

flightfulbird said...

That picture of Weston clutching a rose and approaching Amanda's grave is totally calculated (by Davey) to be poignant, emotional, wrenching. It's not like Weston at his age and innocence came up to Davey and said he wanted to take a rose to his Mom's grave on Mother's Day.

And then posting it on his blog, yet - shameless. It definitely could've and should've been private between the three of them (Davey, Weston and Amanda). I wonder if it was Meg, Ashkey or Derek who took the picture before they started went home and started dancing.

EVERYTHING this guy puts out - whether it is in spoken words, in print or in pictures - is calculated to create a certain picture in our minds - it's so obvious what is happening.

rosy said...

Bobcat,

in the Midwest and other parts that have ground-freezing winter, headstones are not set until the following spring or beyond. The stone you see is a grave marker. DB references this in his blog post. The headstone is yet to be placed. Depending on customs, after that event they may have an "unveiling."

Bobcat said...

rosy,

That makes better sense. If DB's new house is any indication, Amanda should have a very showy monument.

flightfulbird said...

Any links or address for the new house?

Anonymous said...

That's a creepy question.

flightfulbird said...

The photo of Weston approaching the grave with a rose on Mother's Day is as calculated as the one of him hanging the ornament on the Christmas tree (with Amanda's name on it) a month after "the event". That was totally a posed moment as well.

I always read/heard that if/when a person was talking in past tense about a victim only hours or days after they went missing or were killed, it showed definite foreknowledge and that they had had time to prepare their minds, had already said goodbye - and that investigators look to these types of statements as a sign of involvement.

And we know Davey talked about the Lord using the Levi Lusko to prepare his heart leading up to Amanda's (supposedly unexpected random out of the blue) death - and then he quickly covered it up by saying it was used to comfort hm afterward.

So, the Barretts and Davey/Weston are roommates - and all have seemed to be quite mentally prepared for what happened to Amanda and at peace with it afterward -and surprisingly quickly. It makes me want to ask IMPD and FBI (quoting Bruce Willis in Die Hard 2) "you guys really need a slide rule to figure this out?"

Seriously....

ima.grandma said...

gift for all of them
http://images.slideplayer.com/3/781799/slides/slide_37.jpg


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http://web.archive.org/web/20160504173436/http://www.life.church/

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https://vimeo.com/user584756

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https://vimeo.com/user584756/videos

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130703063755/http://marshill.com/guide

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130713144727/http://marshill.com/why-we-are-generous

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http://web.archive.org/web/20130725010610/http://pastormark.tv/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20141025020319/https://pastormark.tv/

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http://web.archive.org/web/20140625061746/http://pastormark.tv/exclusive

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http://web.archive.org/web/20140625163554/http://pastormark.tv/categories/movies-and-tv

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http://web.archive.org/web/20140627072131/http://pastormark.tv/sources

HISG said...

Anon said

So it's ok for you to say disgusting things about his mom's relationship with his grandfather because of what he said? "He's an asshole, so I want to be an asshole, too." Great excuse, HISG.

No. I didn't like the way he was coddling Davey and giving him a platform for his phony crap after Amanda was killed and quite frankly, the father did not seem any more broken up about Amanda's death than Davey did. That video actually makes my skin crawl.

Secondly, anything I said was directed AT the father, not Amanda, it was analyzing Davey's words and what they could mean which were about her father's "reactions". If her father were in any way abusive to her that would be entirely HIS fault, not hers.

I will post a news snippet of him interviewed after Amanda's death, and it just sends shivers up my spine at his lack of any sincere sorrow.

HISG said...

Flightfulbird said

That picture of Weston clutching a rose and approaching Amanda's grave is totally calculated (by Davey) to be poignant, emotional, wrenching. It's not like Weston at his age and innocence came up to Davey and said he wanted to take a rose to his Mom's grave on Mother's Day.

And then posting it on his blog, yet - shameless. It definitely could've and should've been private between the three of them (Davey, Weston and Amanda)

I couldn't agree more, it is absolutely calculated.

Anonymous said...

HISG, you accused Weston's grandfather of having sex with his mother. You're disgusting. There's no excuse. Your "analyzing" is useless mental diarrhea.

HISG said...

Anon, I did not say that.
But you know what, I wouldn't trust her father as far as I could throw him, OK? If that disgusts you, I don't care.

Here's a video of her father being interviewed days after her death. He seems real broken up doens't he? I've been more broken up about my pet dying of old age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbxoszKWJVo

Note: He calls her a "something".
Note: "To tell the truth"

HISG said...

Oh and Anon,

Here's a video of vomitous bullshit...does her Daddy seem all broken up or does he seem like he wants to reach over and stroke Davey's hand while he spews the most phony bullshit ever about how Amanda died for the church?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5uFV4iUWuw

Poor Amanda and poor Weston. NOT POOR DAVEY AND AMANDA'S DAD

Anonymous said...

Who said anything about "poor Davey and poor Amanda's dad"? I'm talking about your phony concern for Weston. Many people here have said they hope Weston reads here someday. If he does, he'll think you're disgusting, too.

The fact that Amanda's dad "doesn't seem broken up" doesn't mean he was having an incestuous relationship with Amanda. Deflection fail.

HISG said...

Anon,

I've already clarified what I said. You can keep repeating yourself.

You said if Weston reads here one day, he will think I'm disgusting. Why? For saying his father who killed his mother is a piece of shit and his phony grandfather is an asshole? I"m sure he'll agree.

Who are you? Weston's grandfather?

Leslie said...

HISG, I watched and rewatched the video link you posted, but didn't hear Amanda's father call her "something"? I did notice he didn't use her name when he was describing how he thought she'd have a bright future. But, we don't know what got edited.

Although it is odd how relatives and friends are so composed, Phil Byars seems authentic to me, but, too trusting of Davey.

HISG said...

Leslie,

It's at 1:55. When asked what he would tell the killers he says he would tell them "You've taken SOMETHING very dear to us...without cause. Shame on you."

His use of the word "something" instead of "someone" when describing a missing or murdered loved one is something I have never seen done in any of the cases on here.

I have not made a transcript of his interview, but while watching it repeatedly, have seen many instances of deception or insincerity.

"To tell the truth" he feels anger is one example.
I would put this interview into the same category as some where it is just obvious how insincere he is being.

As far as body language, he certainly demonstrates a lack of matching facial expressions with what he is saying, which is an absolute red flag that his words are not sincere. In fact his facial expression seems quite flat to me, combined with some partial smiles and eyes which seem to be shining with happiness.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting that Peter got something entirely different from that video of Phil Byars than you did, HISG. Have you bothered to read it? Do you believe you're more qualified than Peter to make a proper analysis?
Why don't you have your own SA blog?

Anonymous said...

HISG,

Your posts are filled with examples of personal bias and perspective. When you say, repeatedly, "it seems to me", "I've never heard of", "I've never seen", etc., you aren't applying SA, which is much more scientific. You're doing nothing more than saying, "this is the norm for me, and any departure indicates murder, incest, homosexuality, and a sex threesome."

SA, on the other hand, is a studied technique which applies patterns through words. Of course, it is more in-depth than that, but what you're doing is bastardizing the concept and discrediting its effectiveness; at least, to those who may be reading this site and either think it's laughable and/or that SA must be a worthless tool if it generates tripe like you spew.

MB

Leslie said...

HISG, thanks for pinpointing where Phil Byars called Amanda "something."

Although I love reading Peter's blog and find SA fascinating, particularly concerning this case, I admit that I have not applied SA often. I still feel like a newbie at this point, and admit that I tend to go more on intuition, first impressions, etc. I need to discipline myself and commit to the practice putting some of the basic principles in place.

And, I'm confused about certain words and phrases which are common in certain areas, or our culture, as a whole. For instance, when Phil said, "to tell the truth," concerning feeling anger. Since certain Christian groups are, from all appearances, so big on focusing on the positive, living by faith, along, against all reason sometimes, The Best Is Yet To Come, forgiving the brutal, heartless murderers from early on, and appearing not to be shaken by the death of a loved one, etc, it's as if they don't allow themselves to truly feel human emotions. That could be the reason for the discrepancy between Phil's body language and facial expressions, or words. I suspect that Phil has bought into the principals of always having and displaying faith / never doubting God, always being forgiving, etc. So, perhaps Phil felt conflicted, or uncomfortable with his feelings of anger towards the killer(s), thus, it was a big deal to admit his anger.

"To tell the truth" is a common phrase, or saying. Do experienced SA'ers know if it's necessarily a red flag? Since Peter's analysis was that Phil was not displaying deception, I assume not.

If sayings are always true, or suspect, perhaps I shouldn't have posted yesterday, "Call me crazy," concerning saving the last voicemail from my son, just in case something happens to him. I find SA and amazing tool to get to the truth, but, I guess I'm now second-guessing my own words! Sorry for rambling.

Leslie said...

-living by faith *ALONE* (not ALONG)

Anonymous said...

Leslie @ 11:25:

"Although it is odd how relatives and friends are so composed, Phil Byars seems authentic to me, but, too trusting of Davey."

I think this is the same with Derek and Ashley. Within hours of the event, the "story" had been disseminated to the sheeple, and they accepted the suggestion that Amanda's tragedy would be "good" for the church. Questioning or doubting DB wasn't done. Anyone who ever did (like Amanda) was long gone.

The Byars had their son and daughter before Amanda came along. She was the bonus. She was a good girl who never gave her mother a "bit of trouble". Her sister Amber did most of the mothering to Amanda. Ask any child who grew up in a house of three or more children. The parents lucked out having a double wedding and saving $$$ on Amanda.

If Amanda had expressed reservations or cold feet, they were probably explained away as cold feet. They married her off to a pastor and sent her on her way.

I would bet every person (including Derek and Ashley) who knows DB has a story (or 100) in mind where he said or did something "strange" but they didn't indulge their doubt because he is a pastor. He's also the fastest talker who can spew bible quotes better than anyone around. So, those little nagging doubts get ignored, over, and over, and over, again and again.

They are too trusting. Amanda got wise.

Leslie said...

Anonymous @9:38, I totally agree with all you said, and the trigger for DB was probably that "Amanda got wise," in addition to the pregnancy issue.

He totally minimizes that pregnancy and doesn't act like he mourns at all for that baby. He seems to only mention the pregnancy as an afterthought, and probably only because others do (and someone is coaching him). And, of course, it markets his story better. Poor, brave, strong, faithful Davey (not).

Anonymous said...

Pregnant Amanda dies:

DB doesn't have to spend money on nesting swollen wife.
DB gets insurance money.
DB gets widower donations.
DB gets pastor attention to his church.

Killing Cockroaches. Killing Reagan. Biblical killing of many wives.
Mel Gibson's wife was killed in Braveheart.

DB can spin a bible story around anything.

Except SA.

Leslie said...

Oh, wow, Anonymous at 10:35 am! I know DB references Braveheart a LOT & would mention he & Amanda would watch it again & again. I've never seen it & had no idea Mel Gibson's wife was killed. Reality is stranger than fiction...and in this case, the two seem to overlap.

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