Thursday, May 2, 2013

Billie Jean Dunn: Consciousness of Guilt

Sometimes it helps to step away from an issue and take a look at the larger scene.  It can be useful even in sorting out conflicting emotions, especially in light of new reports and breaking news.

In January of 2011, Billie Jean Dunn, mother of missing Hailey Dunn, 13, Texas, went on national television to talk about her daughter.  From this earliest public appearance, Statement Analysis concluded that the mother was deceptive, the child was deceased, and the mother's boyfriend was deceptive.  The analysis was met with no shortage of emotional response.

About a month later, the police affidavit supported the analytical conclusions.

The boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, was indicated for veracity when he said that Hailey would be found in Scurry County.

Last week, the bones found in Scurry County were positively identified as Hailey Dunn's remains.

The mother, Billie Dunn, has consistently spoken out publicly giving us much sample from which to work.  She has a small but vocal following in social media to which she has continued to post, in spite of any attorney's advice.

What has she said about this case?  There are three simple steps to observe:

I.  First she claimed no knowledge of what happened and defended the Boyfriend as innocent. She even was arrested for lying to protect him.
II.  She then announced that they were broken up, but still said he had nothing to do with it.

III.  .  April 2013  She now says he is a pedophile and child murderer.

Why, all of the sudden when the body is found, does she suddenly know that Shawn Adkins is a pedophile and a child murder?

Police did not give her any information about the remains other than that they were Hailey's.

Question:  Why would the finding of Hailey's body suddenly give Dunn all this information
unless she knew from the beginning?

Her posting will be likely used in trial, like so many other of her public statements, to show consciousness of guilt.

These are statements made in which the subject leaks out information while attempting to deceive, which indicate, as Kaaryn has repeatedly said, that "the brain knows what it knows."

It is similar to the example where, at the 6 month vigil of searchers, she said, "see you" in 6 months at the anniversary, which will be likely used in court to show that she had knowledge that Hailey was not going to be found (going against natural hope) and that the people  who were out searching for a living Hailey were held in contempt by her.

Consciousness of guilt.


Ugly field
She said she would not be searching the "ugly fields" which, again, may be heard in court, perhaps even in the penalty phase.  Should Adkins' attorney continue to press for a plea bargain, it will be many of these public statements of the mother that will then be viewed in light of her awareness of Hailey's death much like the statements of Casey Anthony were later viewed in light of her consciousness of guilt.  "In my heart, I know she's close, mom!"

Indeed.

Caylee was found down the block from their home, highlighting the principle Kaaryn referenced.  Even though someone wishes to deceive, it is difficult to hide the truth because when they go to choose words, the brain knows the truth and sometimes the words from memory slip out, or "leak out" inadvertently.  This is why lying, or deception, is stressful because it is difficult to keep track of that which is not stored in experiential memory and it is difficult, or stressful to avoid the words that are dangerously stored in experiential memory.

Her posts about someone "hurting Hailey" and "putting Hailey in danger", while being tried for being the one who murdered Hailey may then be seen as aggravating and insulting taunts by jurors who may be asked to decide if Dunn's life should be forfeited upon conviction of murder charges.  The audacity of a killer to claim that, before the remains were found, Hailey was being "hurt" by others, including the media outlet that released the fake letter about Hailey, will be of particular note of to what lengths the guilty party went to inflame the situation.  This will likely include her public accusation of conspiracy against federal, state and local law enforcement, as well as her insults and derogatory words about the polygrapher she called "devil."

All of these things make it an ever increasingly insurmountable job to portray her as a sympathetic character to a jury.

A jury will view not only the heinous nature of the act, but the behavior in the 2+ years since, when they are considering the forfeiture of the guilty party's life.

This is yet another reason why defense attorneys insist upon silence by their clients.

This was spoken weeks before the remains were identified as Hailey's.  Notice the article, "the" in the sentence as something chosen instinctively, without thought.  This was spoken while she was telling people to have "hope" and that "my daughter is coming home alive" and chiding anyone who doubted, yet she gives it away, again:

"I’m always worried about how I’m going to break the news to my son and my family and how to comfort everybody, but you can't, you just stay in a state of anxiety and scared until you learn the results." Said Dunn.

There is no possible "hope" in "the" news. 

Some attorneys will go as far as dropping a client who refuses to be silent.  They recognize the bigger picture and how even social media postings can be seen by a jury.  The following may be part of the prosecution visual display.  It may be seen as calloused, cruel, and as leakage in subtly blaming the victim in order to justify a guilty conscience.

Not so subtle blaming of victim 


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ecossie possie said...

Billie is letting so much knowlage of GUILT slip out.
Remember the game kerplunk where you carefully remove sticks an try not to let any marbles drom down.

Well billienotdunnothing has well an truelly kerpluked herself an is letting all her marbles out

john said...

Hi ecossie possie.

Lol.Fabulous analogy..

Peter Hyatt said...

I agree, John.

kerplunk!

but doesn't it age us?


:)

Peter

john said...

I'm saying nothing..

Oops i just did.

Dam you SA..lol

ecossie possie said...

Why would an innocent mother of a child raped an murdered only urge the guilty party to kill themselfs..

After the remains have been located.Never before has BD publicly urged whomever stole her daughter to kill themselfs.

A true greiveing parent may not want to hear intimate details of there childs demise.
But they want the perpetraters caught an tried in a court of law.
An when the accussed does commit suiside they .
Feel cheated an somehow robbed of justice.

Not BD though right of she is telling shawn he should commit suiside
Take yours an my secrets to the grave....OBLIVIOUS
Of how obvious she is.
Keep posting billie its not tick tock anymore.

You have such a short amount of time untill arrest .
You need a stop watch
As your time of freedom is about to STOP.


But not bill

Anonymous said...

When Hailey was found, one of my first thoughts was that Shawn would commit suicide.

ecossie possie said...

Hi John an Peter listened to you last night...On the crimwire thingy

I knew exactly where your head was at .
When the horror of what the victims endured comes crashing through its hard to contain the greif.

Empaths like you an many whom read here.Cant help but feel devastated.
Gallons of tears have been shed for Hailey from strangers whom never met her.

And the only person BD feels any greif for is herself.
Why does David not have a voice for his Sister now.

He is of age an yet we only hear what his eggdoner lets filter out.
She speaks of him and for him

I want to hear Davis speak verbatim from the horses mouth.

An not through billienotdunnothing.
The horses ass.

ps billie the horses ass comment is for you.
I know you like to use body parts as insults

You called Peter an bodypart insult on a radio show once .REMEMBER?
You had the hostess in tears because you lied about your relationship with SHAWNN.

Well your ultimate insult useing body parts .
Was leaveing Haileys bodyparts all over them ugly feilds.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous,

I think many thought Adkins would as well. He did not like being seen as a 'monster' and it is going to be very very difficult for his attorney to portray him in any other way, should this go to trial.

Peter

john said...

OT, Amanda knox. Body Language PART 1.

In this short clip we have here, Amanda knox's Body Language is quiet revealing.

At the start of this clip the interviewee says.

"She devil with an angel face sphynx of perusion".

She looks down nods her head then flashes contempt on the left side of her mouth(our right).Is she nodding her head in agreement with what has just been said..The contempt could be directed at herself for what she has done.I think it is directed at the statement from the interviewee.

Amanda responds with,"I havnt heard those, i mean iv'e heard the gist of them.

Watch her lower lip push up and her upper lip raise,this is a Micro Expression of disgust,it is very quick you may have to freeze the vt to see it.

She the covers up the disgust with quick smile,at the same time swallowing hard,you can hear her doing this.This is a clear sign of anxiety.

She then says;

"And Eer their wrong"

Notice her chin jut,this is a sign of anger.

At 20 secs in the interview she says:

"I was in the court room when they were calling me a devil,i mean its one thing to be called certain things in the media, and its another thing to be sitting in a court room,fighting for your life,while people are calling you a devil".

Right after she says "devil",she raise her chin,juts her jaw out,her lips narrow,and the inward corners of her eyes slope in towards the bridge of her nose.This is a severe Micro Expression of Anger,its very quick so again you may have to freeze the vt.

She then says:

"For all intents and purpose I WAS A MURDERE, whether I WAS or not.(Audible Gulp,anxiety)"I had to live with the idea that that would be my life.

Notice when she says:

"For all intents and purposes I was a murderer, whether I was or not".

There is no ANGER,the only time she shows ANGER or DISGUST is when she is being called names...???

As i said,this is only a short clip,and she may well show contempt anger and disgust at being called a murderer, in the full interview.

http://news.sky.com/story/1084795/amanda-knox-protests-innocence-in-tv-interview

john said...

Amanda knox Body Language: PART 2


In terms of (NVC),Non verbal communication,Aka Body language.
This for me is the most telling part of the interview.

Q: Did you Kill Meredith Kircher

A:No.

When she says "NO",there is a slight head nod yes,and then she quickly turns it into a shake of the head NO.

Why the uncertainty?

Q:Where YOU there that night?

A:NO.

Note here, there is a clear AFFIRMATIVE head nod YES.

If the head is nodding or shaking in opposition to what is being said, this can be a tell. This is called "incongruence."
For example, a person might say that he or she did something, such as "I cleaned those pots thoroughly" while shaking the head, revealing the truth that the pots were wiped briefly but not scrubbed. Unless a person is trained well, this is an easy unconscious mistake to make and such a physical response is often the truthful one.
Also, a person may hesitate before nodding when giving an answer. A truthful person tends to nod in support of a statement or answer at the same time it is being given; when someone is trying to deceive, a delay may occur

Also watch her eyebrows.

They go up when she says "NO".

Raising the brow as a message of agreement, usually accompanied by head nodding, was documented by Charles Darwin among the Dyaks of Borneo and among Abyssinians, who throw the head back and raise their brows for an instant. Eibl-Eibesfeldt noted the same thing among Samoans, whose arched eyebrows double as a verbal "yes."

So when she says "NO", her facial Body Language is saying YES.

Q:Do You know anything you have NOT told police,that you have not said in this book?Do you not no anything?

A:"NO"

When the question is asked.

Do You know anything you have NOT told police?

Watch her mouth,the outer corners go up into slight a smile.This is known as Duping Delight (Dr Ekman)

Duper's delight' is the delight that people feel when they deceive others..

What is she hiding?Further questioning in regards to this question need to be asked..

There is also a audible gulp.

You will see someone swallowing when the are anxious. What you can't see it that their mouth is dry

When i done analysis of her BL the other day,i said she only showed anger when the name calling came up,and not when she was being accused of murder or involvement.

In this Vt again,i don't see any anger,disgust or contempt when the interveiwer asked was she involved.

I would have expected to see all three of these emotions,and yet i don,t see any directed at the allegations.Now,im no Pro in BL,if anyone else spots these emotions while she is being asked about her involvement please let me know.

Thanks...

I believe she was there that night,and was either involved directly, or indirectly.

http://news.sky.com/story/1085312/kercher-family-not-interested-in-knox-book

Magaly said...

BJD has kerplunked herself.

Great expression and analogy.It applies to what I have seen in my daily life as well as what we have seen in this case.

Thanks, ecossie.

Trigger said...

It will be easy for BD and Mr. Young to portray Shawn as a monster in court. There are lots of photos.

It will be hard to portray BD as clueless when it comes to Shawn's demons. There are lots of photos and statements.

She moved in a monster then lied to protect him when Hailey went missing.

Peacedude said...

Several posters have mentioned billies use of the word pedophile in her most recent post. Those posters wonder how Billie knew there was sexual abuse before the murder.
To me, that is not the question. The question is why does she automatically assume or accuse a pedophile. Yes, the rape of any age person is horrid, awful, ghastly, but the rape of a 13 year old, pubescent female is not legally or psychologically considered pedophilia. So why did she use that term?

REK said...

I have been pondering about this. peter's definition is right..technically. so that leads me to think the term was coined out of a certain jealousy/rage over the ordeal. of course there would be rage in this circumstance...but instead of a protective mama bear, there's something else. thats the only way to conclude it. she has proven, to me, that she was aware of the inappropriateness this whole time. therefore when we reflect back.. we wonder.. was she the protective mama bear? or something different.

Anonymous said...

I'm waiting to hear the Shauniebird sing...."BillieDunnItALL!!!

SAlurkerOne said...

"but the rape of a 13 year old, pubescent female is not legally or psychologically considered pedophilia".

Really???? If that is true-it is HORRIBLY troubling.

What is pedophilia considered then?

I am only asking because this really bothers me, if true.

REK said...

I have thought long and hard about the circumstances presented. The more I think about it...the more I believe BJD was the aggressor. I did not think that at first. But my gut tells me she had a large hand in it. I think SA was involved as well. As soon as he saw BJ the aggressor start the act, it enabled him to fulfill a helping hand, and the aftermath. BJD was probably scared and construed the plan. As long as she had an alibi at work and didn’t do the clean up then she would be “safe”. SA probably saw his duties the day after as helping a damsel in distress, as well as living a sick fantasy he probably always doted on. Each of them reacted in the way that compelled them, BJD scared- sought reassurance that her behind was covered. SA intrigued by a real murder played his part.

Anonymous said...

Billie Jean is the person expected to either commit suicide or severely harm herself because she's the one who has been publically foaming-at-the-mouth for more than two years about how unfair it is for everybody to think she's guilty and talk bad about her and accuse her of murdering Hailey

In the aftermath of finding Hailey's remains, Billie's conduct has been utterly humiliating and she knows it

She's a walking time bomb whoe reacts compulsively and with aggression, SHE is one step away from inflicting severe harm on herself, she's the one who, in all seriousness, should be under suicide watch

Shawn's been lurking quietly in shadows and is prepared to save himself

BILLIE is the walking time bomb who at any moment could inflict severe harm on herself in a fit of rage

Vita said...

Caylee Anthony, Hailey Dunn

Caylee was reported missing by her mother, she did not report her missing for 31 days. Upon the story and collaboration of her parents, she was arrested for lying. Casey was in jail and remained until she was bonded out by an outsider. He thinking he could make a brick talk, tell the truth.

She was re-arrested charged with murder of her daughter Oct 14, 2008. Caylee's remains were discovered less than a mile from her mothers, grandparents home by a meter reader, Dec 11, 2008.

Casey Anthony by her mouth and actions (in-actions) was arrested both times. Her mother *Cindy, oiling the wheels of the machine, the Anthony machine in the making, on the outside.

Hailey is found. No arrests as of yet. Will the nation take this a second time? two more years of this, to await for a trial, how many years to wait for an action upon an arrest. Hailey's missing to be a high profile case.

Texas has represented Hailey from day one, through all the people, searchers, agencies aiding in finding Hailey. A once felt, she would never be found.

Florida and Texas are of different laws. Yes, they both offer the death penalty, yet Florida is liberal, open, Sunshine Laws.
Florida Sunshine Laws all court documents, records, arrests are public. This aided in the understanding of the process of the prosecution of Casey Anthony.
Instead of 100 percent relying on the media and or press conferences for knowledge. Anyone could the view documents, Kathie Belich to use this well in her reporting. I have the document to back it up.

Texas does not have Sunshine Laws.
The Sunshine Law in Florida had it not existed, media would have been reporting the same same as copied read. Whatever was released, this is it, no further information is available. How NG followed Casey was due to her ability to have documents at her fingertips, as all were public.

Same possible outcomes Texas, Florida Capital Murders (sentencing), the prosecution of
( named) indicted for Hailey's murder, people will not be privileged to know anything as it unfolds. As all will remain in the court, it will be upon who allows the information out, to what degree, out to the public.

This to make the time become further frustrating, between arrests, indictments, to trial, the trial.

Age of victim. The audience of who has followed, is following the cases, to be a factor? Caylee, 2yrs old, her followers, young mothers, grandmothers by the masses. Hailey, 13, her age a factor in her case? yes I do believe it is.

Her followers to be entire families, including pre-teens, high school age, 20'somes,,then mothers, fathers and grandparents. How many households no matter the family dynamic has a 13 yr old, that they think of, as they see Hailey's photo in the media. Hailey's story, Hailey's loss of life, she murdered, Hailey's remains found, impacts all who recently read Hailey's story, have followed the case,..* there is no swimming pool, in Hailey's case.

This why I ask will the nation take it a 2nd time, the wait, the circus tent, or Texas will rise, kick the sensationalism to the curb first. Texas to represent the only victim, as they have, the 13 yr old, all American girl, who was murdered, their not bottom line, but starting line to be:
" Hailey's Justice" - not Hailey's injustice.

Wondering what John Young is thinking? All that was not available in 2008, twitter, instant technology communications, is now, everyone uses it, world wide. Whatever his client says, will be known " to the world" in milliseconds as she shares it. 24/7 perpetual. His advise so far, doesn't seem to mean much, as she continues to use social media.

Whatever is out there stays and recycles. It's her word against who's? her social media use from here on out, affects who? it's not a simple answer.

Anonymous said...

but the rape of a 13 year old, pubescent female is not legally or psychologically considered pedophilia

______________________

Yes it is......................

S + K Mum said...

BJD's behaviour is an insult to those who have a lost a child under any circumstance but truly sickening to someone who has lost a child to murder.

We see innocent parents struggle with living and doing normal things, their only focus is justice...then if and when justice comes, what keeps them going? Life is painful for them. They never get over it. Nothing will ever bring back what they have lost. Never able to forgive themselves for not being able to protect their child.

Then we see guilty parents/ step-parents who will not search, tell lies and attack others. Enjoying the attention with their false superiority complexes. They don't care as long as nobody can prove it in a court of law.

I am truly devastated about the murder of April Jones (which is at trial now in the UK). Look at her parents, then look at BJD and even the McCanns, who were laughing and smiling only days after their child was 'abducted'. It is disturbing.


P.S. I love the Kerplunk reference, I don't think it ages anyone (haha) my children have it.

S + K Mum said...

Just to clarify - I meant compare innocent parents like April's to the other 'parents' I mentioned.

john said...

When she said,the person who took Hailey's life should take their own.

She is wishing SA will,so as not to open her huge can of worms.

It's to late now Billie Not Dunn,(i love that phrase,whoever came up with it,cudos.

It's a matter of time.

Anonymous said...

Let me explain. Pedophilia is the lust of a PREpubescent child. Lovely Hailey was pubescent, not prepubescent. In a court of law, additional, aggravating charges would be filed for the rape of a minor. This does not at all mean the perp had to be a pedophile. The question is why does Billie immediately go to pedophilia. Im not arguing that whoever did this was not sick as hell. Im just saying that he wouldnt (by legal terms) have to be a pedophile

Anonymous said...

Would BJD be served a subpoena by the Grand Jury? If so that might explain the presence of FBI and Texas Rangers in Colorado City yesterday.

Peter Hyatt said...

It would need entering into BJD's internal, personal subjective dictionary to ask, "What is pedophilia?"

"What is a pedophilia? and allow her to explain.

Although it may not be the legal definition, many people, myself included, look at pictures of Hailey and only see a child, not a young woman.

It is a statement by Billie Dunn which introduces the topic of sex into her daughter's death.

Sex and Child Murder.

This introduction of the two topics came when news of a possible plea being entered.

Anonymous said...

If the images on the electronic devices were of children 11 or younger that would make the owner of these images a pedophile.

john said...

Anon 9:39.

Correct me if i'm wrong.

Its not the definition your talking about,it's WHY did she bring pedophilia into her statement,in other words,what is her internal dictionary of pedophilia.?

john said...

PS,i didnt see Peters reply, before i posted my comment..

Anonymous said...

I cant speak for any other state, but in Texas, ANY sexual act committed against a child under the age of 14 is termed aggravated sexual assault. And it carries a sentence of 15-99 years.

And, upon release, they must register with the state as sex offenders.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, 9:23 am

Not if the DA is seeking a sealed indictment.

Anonymous said...

I guess I really don't have a question. I believe Billie knows that the person that raped and murdered her child has pedophilia tendencies. She has observed that person lusting over child porn. She had heard him talk of his evil child lust. Think of it this way. If you saw on television the story of a 13 year old, developed girl that was raped, you would not immediately think pedophilia. Now remember, this is a total stranger not someone you have come to care for like Hailey. Im just saying, she knows who killed her child and she knows hes a pedophile. He didnt rape or kill Hailey because he was a pedophile. In fact, Hailey would not have been appealing to him if that were the case. Most likely he killed her because she found out he was a pedophile

Anonymous said...

Pedophelia BEGINS with lusting for sexual gratification with a child, whether the lust is ever acted upon or not.

Texas Anon

Anonymous said...

Noticed that BJD made another facebook post.

“I wanted to take a minute to let you hear from me, Haileys mom”

She states they are planning the memorial service.

She also says “Hailey will be released to me, but it will not be real soon”

john said...

Anon Said.

Think of it this way. If you saw on television the story of a 13 year old, developed girl that was raped, you would not immediately think pedophilia.

YES I WOULD!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I would!!!!!!

john said...
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Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
I guess I really don't have a question. I believe Billie knows that the person that raped and murdered her child has pedophilia tendencies. She has observed that person lusting over child porn. She had heard him talk of his evil child lust. Think of it this way. If you saw on television the story of a 13 year old, developed girl that was raped, you would not immediately think pedophilia. Now remember, this is a total stranger not someone you have come to care for like Hailey. Im just saying, she knows who killed her child and she knows hes a pedophile. He didnt rape or kill Hailey because he was a pedophile. In fact, Hailey would not have been appealing to him if that were the case. Most likely he killed her because she found out he was a pedophile
May 2, 2013 at 10:03 AM


You make some interesting points. One thing to add:

A pedophile can still have sex with adults. One that is sexually attracted to children is said to be a pedophile. It is difficult, at times, to put perversion in a neat category. I agree with you that the post shows that she knew his attraction to children, as she witnessed the child porn. But it does not, in itself, preclude him sexually assaulting the victim in this case.

thanks for an interesting post. Choose a name.

Peter

john said...

Anon 10;03.

You do realise this is a STATEMENT ANALYSIS SITE.!

REK said...

we can also think about the "intent" of this statement.

if we conclude that this statement indicates long standing knowledge of inappropriate conduct by SA.. then we wonder what the intent of this statement is, especially now.

it reminds me alot of Jodi arias defense. sure travis might not have treated her respectfully at all times. but for her to claim she is a battered woman is exageratting the circumstances by "name calling" , shifting blame, and screaming "dont' look here".

I'm not trying to minimize the misconduct by SA by saying pedophile is an exaggeration. it's hard for me to put into words what i'm interpretting from the situation. alot of it has to do with the timing and this now accusation. when the accusation itself indicates prior knowledge. so it is an exaggeration in respect to "dont' look at me, look over there"

and to me that fits my scenario of BD trying to cover her butt

yep said...

During the penalty phase, death penalty or not, Billie's own words will come back to bite her.
"Billie Jean Dunn - Yes they do,anyone who hurts children do,I'm not one who believes they can be rehabilitated & released. Statistics back me. I'm one who relies on facts & proof,so those are my thoughts.
8 hours ago via mobile"

Hobnob said...

off topic and proof the truth will always out

Veteran BBC broadcaster Stuart Hall has admitted indecently assaulting 13 girls as young as nine years old.

The Crown Prosecution Service said he was an "opportunistic predator" and almost all the victims provided "strikingly similar accounts".

The CPS also said the victims, among them a 10-year-old and an 11-year-old, did not know each other and Hall's pattern of behaviour was "unlawful".

Hall, 83, admitted 14 charges of indecent assault and the offences took place between 1967 and 1985.

The former It's A Knockout presenter, who was also a regular football match summariser on Radio 5 Live, had previously denied any wrongdoing, telling reporters the claims were "pernicious, callous, cruel and above all spurious".

He said he had endured "a living nightmare" and but for his "very loving family" may have considered taking his own life.


He entered the guilty pleas last month at Preston Crown Court. However, they can only be revealed now after reporting restrictions were lifted.

In court, Hall calmly and repeatedly answered "guilty" when the charges were put to him at the hearing on April 16.

He admitted touching and kissing 13 young victims over nearly two decades, many were daughters of friends.

The Recorder of Preston, Judge Anthony Russell QC, told him he would be required to sign the Sex Offenders Register.

Hall was granted bail until his sentencing date on June 17 and the judge told him all sentencing options remain open including immediate custody.

Hall's barrister, Crispin Aylett QC, said: "The defendant is, of course, sorry for what he has done. Through me he wishes to apologise to his victims. He is not a man easily moved to self pity but he is only too aware his disgrace is complete."

Hall was told he must live and sleep at his Wilmslow home in Cheshire and have no unsupervised contact with girls under 18.

Hobnob said...

Hall did not comment on the case as he left court accompanied by his legal team, saying only to waiting reporters that he had a "terrible cold".

He was surrounded by a media scrum as he was led into a waiting car.

In a statement, his lawyers said: "Mr Hall deeply and sincerely regrets his actions. He wishes to issue an unreserved apology to the individuals concerned.

"He now accepts his behaviour and actions were completely wrong and he is very remorseful.

Outside court, Nazir Afzal, chief crown prosecutor for the North West, said: "We prosecuted Stuart Hall because the evidence of the victims clearly established a pattern of behaviour that was unlawful and for which no innocent explanation could be offered.

"His victims did not know each other and almost two decades separated the first and last assaults but almost all of the victims, including one who was only nine at the time of the assault, provided strikingly similar accounts.

"Whether in public or private, Hall would first approach under friendly pretences and then bide his time until the victim was isolated. He can only be described as an opportunistic predator."

Hall was facing 18 charges. A court order was lifted so that the pleas could be reported.

It was to avoid prejudicing a possible future trial on a count of rape and three separate counts of indecent assault which Hall had denied last month.

Peter Wright QC, prosecuting, said the Crown was satisfied the rape count could lie on file after it was given consideration at "the most senior level" of the CPS. The three other counts were merged with a charge Hall had admitted.

The BBC said it would not be featuring Hall again in its programmes. In a statement, the corporation said: "In light of today's events, Stuart Hall will no longer be contracted by the BBC."

It added: "The BBC is appalled by the disgraceful actions of Stuart Hall and we would like to express our sympathy to his victims. We will continue to work with the police to assist them in this and any other enquiries they are making.

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He never made a reliable denial and now we know why.
He is a paedophile.
At least he did the decent thing and plead guilty to spare his victims.

the question now is, who else knew and who else was and is involved.
The BBC has to do some serious thinking

choseaname said...

I agree, Peter. A pedophile can rape an adult, and a non-pedophile can rape a child. They are all sick perverts, but there is a distinction Rape is not about lust, it is about anger. Billie clearly tells us a pedophile murdered her child. Certainly limits the perp field.

Anonymous said...

It took quite a while to identify the remains of Hailey and time continues to slip by with no new developments.

We continued to say LE was 'Just getting their ducks in a row' about the child porn and we had hope arrest of of BD and SA would happen soon but it never did.

Now we wait again. Yes BD continues to run her mouth on Facebook as she has since sje was notified the remains were Hailey. Did she slip into quiet seclucion to grieve? No she hoped online and can't seem to get off. She and her little corner of supporters are busy attacking anyone who doesn't sing her praises. She wants to be portrayed as the wonderful, attentive, loving mother of a child she never looked for. What has she done to show us the kind of mother she is?

She admitted on Facebook that she
she Lied to Police and said SA actually took her to work the day Hailey went missing the 27th of December.

She immediately gave away Hailey's dog.

When people told her SA was a POI she said, "You can't help who you love. " And she and SA would 'sneak' around CC seeing each other. In reality everyone in CC knew it.

She was arrested for lying to LE saying SA wasn't in her home when he was.

People in CC knew he in her house when they would stop by even though she lied saying he wasn't here. CC saw quite a bit, she just thought we were stupid.

I could go on and on, I know all the facts but the point has been made.

Why did Nancy Grace, Mark and EVERYONE else close to this case pull away? They saw the lies.

Billie Jean Dunn is attempting to place the blame on SA now. All of a sudden she's decided at this stage of the game that he's done something to Hailey. Why wasn't she concerned in the days, weeks and months after Hailey vanished?

While searchers gave their time for so long looking for HER daughter, what was BD doing?

Changing Hailey's room?

Getting rid of her dog?

Having a New Years Eve Party?

Sneaking around seeing SA?

Buying drugs?

Going to concerts?

Getting a Memorial tattoo and other tattoos?

Buying a flat screen TV with
donations? (she wasn't working)

Lying to LE?

Failing a polygraph?

Changing her phone number?

Selling the Van that was donated to her so she could look for her daughter? (which she never did)

Admitting on Facebook that SA bragged that most of the males in his family are murderers and rapists/pedo's. (She deleted her comment but the proof was obtained with a screen shot)

BD was questioned but then she decided she didn't like it so she walked out and Lawyered up. Neither has been questioned again. How does anyone get brought to justice in this country if just getting a Lawyer prevents questioning? Do you know how many hours Casey Anthony was questioned?

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

So let's get back to the subject near and dear to my heart, arresting child murderers. It is quite apparent that if SA was being detained or questioned or was making a deal we would have heard something by now.

I would really like to know why they weren't arrested for the child porn and why they haven't been arrested for Hailey's murder.
The clock is ticking, we want to see them both in handcuffs.

Anonymous said...

I agree with Peter's comments. In lots of cases, the perpetrator (pedophile) will establish a relationship with the mother of the victim, making it easier for the pedophile to have access to the victim.

Lusting for sex with a child makes you a pedophile. Unfortunately, far too many pedophiles act upon their tendencies.

john said...

Hi HObs,

Did you get my message regarding that?

Excruciating Headache said...

Adkins doesn't want to be seen as a monster?

Why does he dress up like one?

He fantasizes about being a killer. Does he see himself as Grendel, a mearcstapa? A monster who skulks in the borderlands by day then murders the innocent in the dark of night?

Maybe not. Apparently, I do. LOL

Anonymous said...

Pedophilia is defined as follows:

"Pedophilia is the act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children. This common use application also extends to the sexual interest in and sexual contact with pubescent or post-pubescent minors.

Researchers recommend that these imprecise uses be avoided because although people who commit child sexual abuse commonly exhibit the disorder,some offenders do not meet the clinical diagnosis standards for pedophilia and these standards pertain to prepubescents.

Additionally, not all pedophiles actually commit such abuse

In other words, it is not illegal to be a pedophile. It IS illegal to act upon their tendencies.

Texas Anon

john said...

The definition of a paedophile taken from 'Australian Parents for Megan's Law' is:


'Paedophile offences are framed in terms of rape, sexual assault, indecency, making or possessing child pornography and so forth. The Macquarie Dictionary defines paedophilia as "sexual attraction in an adult towards children". The Concise Oxford Dictionary defines the word as: "sexual love directed towards children". Paedophiles come from virtually all social, income, racial, ethnic and age groups.'

"The typical paedophile molests an average of 117 children, most of who do not report the offence."
– Source: National Institute of Mental Health, 1988.

Paedophiles generally report an attraction to children of a particular age range. Some individuals prefer males, others females, and some are aroused by both males and females. Some paedophiles are sexually attracted only to children, whereas others are sometimes attracted to adults.

Surveys report that well over 90 per cent of perpetrators in child sex offences are males. Some suggest that there is serious under-reporting of female child-sex activity. Some suggest that female paedophiles (ie. preferential offenders) do not exist. When women are involved at all in such activity, their roles seem invariably to be subordinate ones, typically assisting their male partner.

Most paedophiles become aware of their sexual orientation during adolescence, though some say that they did not become aroused by children until middle age. A characteristic of some paedophile offenders, not shared with other types of criminals, is that they offend throughout their lives.

Paedophiles who commit offences rationalise their conduct and do not believe that they have done anything wrong.

Most paedophiles, it seems, do not act aggressively or violently towards children. Rather they attempt to gain the child's affection and interest by being friendly, often fixing on children who are otherwise deprived of affection. A small percentage, however, do not fit this description. It is not uncommon for paedophiles to go to great lengths over considerable periods of time to place themselves in situations where they can access children. Because paedophiles are, by definition, attracted to children, often of a fairly narrow age range, their attraction to any one child is only of limited duration. As the child grows older, the paedophile ceases to be attracted and seeks a younger replacement. Thus there is an in-built tendency to commit offences against a large number of victims.

john said...

Does that sound familiar..

Sella35 said...

SA quote "Some attorneys will go as far as dropping a client who refuses to be silent. They recognize the bigger picture and how even social media postings can be seen by a jury. "

I am sure the dirtbag in Texas atty will not drop the free publicity! I have not had time to read posts, will have to tonight..of to work!

Anonymous said...

Win or lose, JY will get nation wide publicity with this case.

He will not drop this case; it can only be good for him either way.

If he wins, every dirt bag in the country will want to hire him to get them out of trouble.

If he loses the case he will blame BJD for losing it and still come out smelling like a rose.

Vita said...

Tweeting Crime: Law Enforcement Adapts To Social Media

NPR | April 25, 2013 11:57 a.m.
http://www.opb.org/news/article/npr-tweeting-crime-law-enforcement-adapts-to-social-media/

Audio interview, the impact of social media with Law enforcement. Both sides, as they (LE) use twitter, and or attempt to cease others from tweeting false information, the using Facebook in times of, it to be a double edged topic. It's a very interesting interview/ discussion.

The known that Billie not Dunn is using Facebook, as people are tweeting her posts. People do not need to have a FB account to read Billie's posts, people are tweeting her comments. Is it her written? Or once it's out, it to become? it is ? it can or cannot be used against her? against who is tweeting her, who is using social media? as it can be altered, it once altered to become the truth? it's an endless discussion.

Social Media Reactions may vary?

The past, when none of what is today existed in 08, 09. As it will happen again? others will take it upon themselves to become " Key players" in disguise within social media. As it did happen pre-trial within Casey Anthony. This to be our new " normal" in high profile cases?

It's not against the law, because there is no law?

How many people created false accounts using Casey Anthony's name, used names of persons within her case, thousands did this. People to believe it was her, was of her camp, information leaked.

The reality was people who were of the case did take to social media, and leak their marbles. The woman who had an affair with George Anthony to be one that became a spectacle of attraction.

This when technology was dinosaur, not as it is today. Casey Anthony's defense team to read forums, read comments, read social reactions. They to use the most sensitive unknowns to all who wanted to know, yet did not. This prior to the trial. This the cause that Judge Strickland was recused, his admittance he read upon, social media forums.

The defense team combed the forums for their use. A plethora of collected by the public, to become their defense, work done for them.

George Anthony to become the pit fall guy. As 1000's+ wanted to know if he and or Lee, were Caylee's bio father. The defense team aided by the forums? most definitely.

Technology, IT Law is dependent upon? IT Laws are written? for now it's case by case? our world being blasted daily by new tools, new gadgets, software. LE the first to admit that it is impossible to keep up within people who utilize technology.

Storage devices to be portable, sickos trading, taking images in public, able to access anyone at any given moment, so much is made disposable, no tracking, as apps are created daily. Technology is bigger than man can conceive.

Google Glass, 1000's pre-sold, they already shipped, it will be on everyone's Christmas list:

Tech Review
http://youtu.be/GV_E8RzG2E8

How Google Glass operates (scary)
http://youtu.be/8UjcqCx1Bvg

The facial recognition software is
built in, it however doesn't require a persons face, pupil, nothing of the sort, for one to learn your identity within seconds. Google glass is on the minds of Law Enforcement. Theaters, Concert Halls etc are in limbo as of how to handle wearer's of this, this the least of concern. Atty's are aware, as it is an infringement upon your rights. A total stranger to be able to track you, your identity. This is if you have a person staring you down, what if your not aware.

How will Google Glass, and alike technology affect high profile cases? it's coming. The audio of discussion Social Media and Law enforcement is a informative one. The two YT's to watch, as Google Glass is not a fad, more versions, affordable to all, Microsoft, MAC, etc, will be out 2014.

Sus said...

Going back to Billie's facebook post, she begged "pedophiles, child murderers, and their families" to kill themselves and "save our babies."

It seems she made a distinction between pedophile and child murderer.

In the same post she interrupted herself to state, "My daughter is dead." Obviously, this is the child she is thinking of being murdered.

Is her daughter,Hailey, also the pedophile victim? I don't know because she distinguishes between them.

LE needs to question Billie on what pedophile means to Billie. I have to say...the way that "baby" and "babies " keepsvcoming up in her language, and even Shawn's, is bothering me.

Anonymous said...

"but you can't, you just stay in a state of anxiety and scared until you learn the results." Said Dunn

In other words, she is making excuses for her new look, trips and all the fun she is having.

john said...

Very interesting post Vita..

NonnyMouse said...

Not sure Billie would necessarily care about (or even know) the precise definition of pedophilia. Hailey would have been just as helpless regardless of her chronological age. When it comes to sentencing, would it make a big difference if it were that or some other crime describing the rape of a minor during the commission of a murder? I would hope not but I don't know.

john said...

With out the murder charge.Both should be put away for a long time just for the child pornography.

Anonymous said...

thanks anon 10:08...wow she used Hailey's name!!

Anonymous said...
Noticed that BJD made another facebook post.

“I wanted to take a minute to let you hear from me, Haileys mom”

She states they are planning the memorial service.

She also says “Hailey will be released to me, but it will not be real soon”


May 2, 2013 at 10:08 AM

Shelley said...

I think Billie is telling us she knows who did this. But still thinks she is outsmarting everyone by acting as if she is in the know.

Because....this could (I dont think this, just giving a senario assuming Billie was innocent) have been a teenager that was the same age or slightly older (say 15-16) than Hailey. We do hear of this happening where teens rape and kill. In that case, its not pedophilia. It would be just a rape.

So to me, with all the senarios out there, the fact that Billie used that word, and knowing that child porn was found in their home... I think its clear that she said this because she knows exactly what happened to poor Hailey.


stop_playing_dumb said...

why is her attorney allowing her to post ANYTHING on facebook? It's great for Hyatt and the investigators, though.

Anonymous said...

stop_playing_dumb said...
why is her attorney allowing her to post ANYTHING on facebook? It's great for Hyatt and the investigators, though.

Her attorney may have asked her to post that statement. It almost sounds like someone else wrote it for her.

Anonymous said...

Where has any legitimate authority reported Hailey was found to have been RAPED prior to her murder?

Just waitin' said...

“Hailey will be released to me, but it will not be real soon”


It is still about BD...why not say Hailey will be released to our family? After all. BD is claiming Clint as her husband.

Anonymous said...

Link to story on BD fb page

http://www.newswest9.com/story/22136817/memorial-still-being-planned-for-colorado-city-teen-hailey-dunn

Skip said...

"I have to say...the way that "baby" and "babies " keepsvcoming up in her language, and even Shawn's, is bothering me."

I agree and I've thought the same thing for a while now.

yep said...

Anonymous
Everyone on this blog loves, respects, supports, and is protective of Hailey. She did nothing wrong; she was wronged.The people on this blog are fighting for Hailey and justice for her. She was silenced but we will not be.
My thoughts differ from some. I think the reason for her murder will be something unexpected involving the couch, her room, and the car. Her demise had been brewing,hence Billie choking her and removing her Christmas presents the week before.

ecossie possie said...

If Peters assement of Haileys Murder is correct. And lets face it he has been on the money pretty much so far.

It makes billienotdunnothings statement on the Nancy Grace show all the more horrific brought into the context of a sexuall homicide.

Maybe commited my eggdoner in a reage at Hailey being raped abbused by shawnboy.

So her answer to N Grace about looking in Haileys room before she left for work when she said.

It looked like she was sleeping...DEAD....I didnt go in or touch her .
But I was somewhat comforted???

Now put that into context the prior night one way or another Hailey was murdered by either eggdoner or shawnboy or both.

They place HAILEYS lifeless body in the bedroom .
As billienotdunn leaves for work she looks into her DAUGHTERS Room .

An veiws her corpse an the sight of a dead HAILEY COMFORTS her?

Beyond kerplunked this bitch is kerflunked an sick to the core of her being.

Get them both of of the streets.

choseaname said...

to anonymous at 11:57. It has NOT been publicly stated as fact in any media that the child was sexually molested before her murder. Only, Billie has publicly stated that fact when she called out to pedophiles and child murderers

C5H11ONO said...

BJD is a highly manipulative woman. The reason she didn’t do any harm to her kids when they were younger is because she realized early on just how many people she can manipulate, but as they grew older, she found that it was no longer that easy. She neglected her kids because she had no use for them. She was keenly aware that she was neglectful and her manipulative mind would spew words like “my children love me”. She was able to put on the “show” of concerned mother because she would mimic or assume what a concerned mother would act like, but would soon forget, that’s why she was just as easily able to take pictures with men dressed up in monsters outfits and flash some big pearly whites. Now she puts on the show of grieving mother, but have no fear, she will soon be sporting a new dress and posing for her camera to post on FB. She now has turned on SA because it is convenient to do so. She will have no problems accusing SA of all types of sordid deeds, as long as it clears her.

SA is a deviant. I believe he was making money by selling child porn. That was his side business. I believe Billie was aware of it. In her mind she OK’d the behavior because he was only selling it. Additionally, his lucrative income allowed her to pay for those illegal narcotics she was into. Now that the tide has turned, she is accusing him of being a pedophile. That is probably why she was able to announce to her daughter’s killer that he was a pedophile. Now, he is one. That is how the mind of a manipulator works. He was probably a pedophile all along, but when it was convenient to overlook it, she did. This is my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous choseaname said...
to anonymous at 11:57. It has NOT been publicly stated as fact in any media that the child was sexually molested before her murder. Only, Billie has publicly stated that fact when she called out to pedophiles and child murderers

Good point.

john said...

Kerplunked..Billie not Dunn,i love it. hahaha.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

“The more they try to silence us,
with lies and their deceit,
The louder we will get
For all the world to see!!

We will shout it from the rooftops,
and over by the sea.
We will shout it from the mountains,
Just you wait and see!!

We will shout it from our hearts
and with our mouths proclaim,
Hailey is our angel
And Justice she shall see!!!

SHOUT IT, SHOUT IT, SHOUT IT!!!!
JUSTICE FOR HAILEY!!

Anonymous said...

I wish Hailey was here too. She could speak for herself. Stand up for herself. Speak the truth, thereby negating this sideshow, making this 'analysis' unnecessary.

Just waitin' said...

Anonymous said...
I wish Hailey was here too. She could speak for herself. Stand up for herself. Speak the truth, thereby negating this sideshow, making this 'analysis' unnecessary.


Amen!

john said...

Anonymous said...
Talking heads will rot. Hailey would be ashamed of this blog.

If you dont agree with this blog dont come here.

Peter has be campaining since day dot for justice for hailey,and yet when poor haileys remains our found,you all blame peter and us for being disrespectful.

I agree there have been some out landish post's here,however i can gaurantee you they are Not coming from the regular hailey supporters from this site..

apologies for my spelling,my lap top has a cob with me.

Anonymous said...

She is begging SA to kill himself so he doesnt throw her dumb #ss under the bus! Hang em high Texas!

NVmomma702

Anonymous said...

Isn't the point of statement analysis to identify deception? Okay, deception identified. It's obvious BJD and SA make deceptive statements but how are the constant theories are appropriate when discussing a deceased little girl? If someone accidentally stumbled upon this blog trying to learn about Hailey, they might actually believe some of these theories because of the way they're presented. Presented as though there's a legitimate source besides statement analysis. Speaking in a way that reflects badly on Hailey isn't fighting for her justice. It's stirring the pot. Something I've read repeatedly is if someone doesn't say it, don't say it for them. Anything could've happened to Hailey. It's clear Billie and Shawn are highly shady people. The purpose is to analyze their statements to identify deception, not to fill in the peices in whatever way you can dream up.

Anonymous said...


Anon @ 12:11

I found the story that goes with that quote, its a good story, thanks

Anonymous said...

http://www.examiner.com/article/hope-turns-to-justice-after-missing-texas-teen-hailey-dunn-found-deceased

REK said...

Anonymous, 12:33:

Please point out where posters are "Speaking in a way that reflects badly on Hailey"

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Isn't the point of statement analysis to identify deception? Okay, deception identified. It's obvious BJD and SA make deceptive statements but how are the constant theories are appropriate when discussing a deceased little girl? If someone accidentally stumbled upon this blog trying to learn about Hailey, they might actually believe some of these theories because of the way they're presented. Presented as though there's a legitimate source besides statement analysis. Speaking in a way that reflects badly on Hailey isn't fighting for her justice. It's stirring the pot. Something I've read repeatedly is if someone doesn't say it, don't say it for them. Anything could've happened to Hailey. It's clear Billie and Shawn are highly shady people. The purpose is to analyze their statements to identify deception, not to fill in the peices in whatever way you can dream up.

May 2, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Good point!

elf said...

I wish Hailey could be here too. Alas, she cannot because her 'mother' loved a man (not my opinion that he's a man in any way except biologically) and something horrible happened to Hailey. Billie let this happen to Hailey. She is not innocent.

REK said...

in my opinion the point of statement analysis is to find the truth of the matter. it is not just to identify deception.

doesn't hailey deserve the truth to be revealed so that all are held accountable, and to prevent future wrong doings?

john said...

REK said...
in my opinion the point of statement analysis is to find the truth of the matter. it is not just to identify deception.

doesn't hailey deserve the truth to be revealed so that all are held accountable, and to prevent future wrong doings?

Well said..

ecossie possie said...

billiedunnothing

Speaks the truth on Face Book.


“Hailey will be released to me, but it will not be real soon”



Translation.

I am makeing this up Haileys remains will never be released to me.

And very soon real soon people will no Im makeing this stuff up.
Soon everone will know this isnt a real truth Im stateing.

Released is on her mind as she knows her time of release will also end real soon.
An the opposite of release is capture.caught.confine .imprison.

Yeah billienotdunn not real soon.
But for you it will soon be all to real.

Lynn said...

Peter or anyone else that might know, could she not get into trouble for trying to coax him into suicide

Vita said...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Waiting-On-Justice-For-Our-Girl-HD/341139815923339

Monday April 29th 2013
Billie Jean Dunn
8 hours ago via mobile

I beg all pedophiles,child murderers & their families,you must've had an inkling that demon was in there,kill yourselves,save our babies! And shame on your families,who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies! Shame on them for ignoring that u have a monster deep down! Is your family proud?! My daughter is dead! You should've taken your own life,your family should've acted on signs,they are just as guilty.
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The written by Billie Jean Dunn, not BillieJean Ostrander. She has two FB accounts. One is her personal, Ostrander, her personal likes of A-Z to twirl peoples minds. The Billie Jean Dunn acct is hers to use for posting words of " hear me roar" as this account is attached to FB's of Missing and Exploited non-profit agencies, parents of children who remain missing, parents/persons who are crusaders, for the Missing and Exploited. Whatever she writes as Dunn goes directly onto their personal inbox walls, they to personally see her first, within seconds of her hitting enter.

Her written is: Pedophiles, Child Murderers & their families.

In content, this is full spectrum, not a shout out at one who is accused of, or in the know of, that failed or is failing, as she damns them into shame.

Her words chosen, are of the convicted. The accused, the charged, convicted to be of title, is a Pedophile, a Child Murderer. This is one that should be in prison, is in prison as they have been through the system.

Her written is not a proposal of what should be done, as it cannot be, as they are convicted for them to be titled as so. It's of her words of what she did do, did not do, has done, her own self she writes, she not yet formally accused, she not yet arrested.

The subject is dead, the statement is alive, she is writing in first person, she then is of herself, her own volition's, her unconscious mind is leaking.

The unconscious mind (or the unconscious) consists of the processes in the mind that occur automatically and are not available to introspection, and include thought processes, memory, affect, and motivation.[1] It contains thoughts, memories, and desires that exist well under the surface of conscious awareness but that still exert a great impact on behavior. Empirical evidence suggests that unconscious phenomena include repressed feelings, automatic skills, subliminal perceptions, thoughts, habits, and automatic reactions,[1] and possibly also complexes, hidden phobias and desires.

The FB's connected to her Dunn Account, are connected to parent/families who's child fell victim and or are of FB's Non Profits, that aid, that fight for rights of children who were molested, murdered, exploited. Her written is for them, personal from her to them, if it weren't for people like you, Parents, Non profits, She is mad at them.

They deceived her? her anger is her outing of why she is angry. She is guilty of her own accusations. How dare you, shame on you, she to figure out, she assumes she is figured out by those closest to the subject. She to trigger reaction post, once Hailey announced, her found family of the last 28 months " support system" yielded, are on the fence, (is her sub-conscience) now are of Hailey's supporters, not hers.

" the families who know you best" thanks a helluva lot, I thought you were my family, Shame on you!

And shame on your families,who know you best for not getting you placed somewhere where you can't murder babies! Shame on them for ignoring that u have a monster deep down! Is your family proud?! My daughter is dead! You should've taken your own life,your family should've acted on signs,they are just as guilty.

REK said...

I also think about it this way. let's say the "person of interest" and all evidence leading to it- pointed to some "pedo" down the block. would everyone still be coming to this blog to state we are "speaking in a way that reflects badly on hailey?" when all we want is the truth, even if it's ugly..or hopefully not as bad as some have imagined. if the perp was some neighbor stranger then there wouldn't be such opposition. yet when its "family" it's different.

Cindy anthony comes to mind. if she thought her daughter was innocent then why didn't she plead to find the "real" perps and bring them to justice

Anonymous said...

ARREST Pillie Jean NotDunnNothing

ARREST Shawn "Killing A Little Girl Is Like Killing A Deer" Adkins

NOW!

Anonymous said...

Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:43 am

Dunn family waiting on release of remains

"Hailey will be released to me, but it might not be real soon as they are being meticulous collecting any evidence," Billie Jean Dunn wrote.

"I'm grateful they are keeping me updated and doing everything to insure they miss nothing. I want her home, but am definitely not going to rush them. I trust they are doing everything necessary to get what they need & to get her home."

http://www.oaoa.com/news/crime_justice/law_enforcement/article_a18ebeac-b336-11e2-866a-001a4bcf6878.html

S + K Mum said...

According to the analysis on this blog-site, before Hailey was found, it was concluded that Hailey was dead and her remains were in Scurry County.
This has been confirmed true. This information was gleaned from BJD and SA, from their mouths, their words.

Theories have been developed from their very own words on how Hailey died. It is only a matter of time before we know if any of these scenarios are correct or less possibly, incorrect.

All anyone wants is for the perpetrator(s) to be caught, tried and convicted. The truth be known.

I hope no threats are being made towards Peter regarding the Memorial. That would need to be reported to LE and it definately would not look good coming from people (the admin of the Facebk page) who want truth and justice for Hailey. CL has been threatened already. Is this site stirring up hatred? That too should be reported to LE if it is. That would be despicable. That would be a tragedy to bring such hatred around a murdered child's memory on a site bearing her name.

Excruciating Headache said...

Anon 11:57,

The statements aren't being taken out of context. They are being examined in this context:

1. According to news reports, two adults had child pornography and images of animal abuse on their computer and video game console.

2. Those adults admitted to drug use.

3. At least one of them enjoyed role-playing a murderer. They watched slasher movies together. There is a photo of them pretending that one was killing the other. The "victim" appeared to be enjoying herself.

4. An adolescent girl disappeared from that home and was later found dead.

It is what it is. Would you suggest that everyone turn a blind eye because you find the facts unpleasant? That's how people used to get away with pedophilia and sometimes still do. It wasn't talked about. There used to be a certain amount of blame placed on the victim.

What further context are you looking for?

You don't have to hang on Peter Hyatt's every word to learn something from the blog. I'm sure he's been wrong before and he probably will again. If he is wrong in this case, he will learn from his mistakes. I wouldn't be surprised if he went through some of his old interpretations, pointed out on his blog where he was in error and what he learned from it. That's how teaching works.

Anonymous said...

It IS illegal to be in possession of child prnorgraphy whether one has ever commited the act of pedophelia prior to being found with the child porn, with many of these being distributors of child porn to other pedophiles who DO commit child porn practices against minors. No matter what angle you try to approach it from, it IS pedophelia and IS illegal.

Billie Jean Ain'tNeverDoneNothing, the clever sociopath, is trying hard to take the focus off HERSELF and place it on Shawn by calling him a pedophile and a murderer when she knows that she herself IS A PEDOPHILE and WAS involved in pedophelia, and in Hailey's death and cover up; for HERSELF, not for Shawn and the part he had in Haileys' death and disposal. That's why she protected and lied for him for over two years; she had HERSELF protect and will lie to protect herself until her dying day. A pedophile has no conscience.

BTW, to correct a widely held misnomer. There are exceptions: Under the Sunshine Laws, The State of Fl does not always release their records, documents, files and witness accounts in a felony crime case, etc. Case in point: LE has held the Haleigh Cummings matter at bay, refusing to release any documents to any source, claiming the case is still under investigation. B/S. They never investigated their many witnesses and findings in the first place and they never will, and we will NEVER see the documents they are concealinh. They are using the Sunshine Laws to hide behind. Anon 1

Anonymous said...

doesn't hailey deserve the truth to be revealed so that all are held accountable, and to prevent future wrong doings?

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of course Hailey does but it isn't going to come from this blog. it will come from investigators qualified to conduct the investigation, to make the arrests. Their job is to mull through the details and gruesome possibilities. They are trained to take and use *real* evidence of sexual molestation or rape (if it existed) before throwing the term around left and right for all to assume. There is information Peter and the rest of you are not and cannot be privvy to because you are not law enforcement. You are not investigators on the case. You are blog readers.

Anonymous said...

anon @ at 1:34 PM thank you

S + K Mum said...

Thank you for the response Anon@1.34.
And what about wanting truth and justice for Hailey? Or is it more important for you to, again, talk about pay per clicks and pornography?

REK said...

Anonymous 1:38. Maybe youre giving too much credit and being too extreme in your beliefs about statement analysis.
I know i'm not assuming anything. you state "for all to assume". if someone comes across this site and starts assuming things then aren't they the mis-informed ones themselves? i have made a few conclusions after a long time of listening to the different evidence presented but my conclusions are not too specific and i understand that they are still conclusions based on opinions of the evidence. i can't say i know anything to be true, but what i can conclude is likely true.

sometimes i think readers on this blog take SA to a larger extreme then it should be taken. theories, sensitivities indicated, etc does not equal proof and if you have a deep understanding then you will know this. as for any others visiting the site then ignorance is bliss to them i suppose

Anonymous said...

It is what it is. Would you suggest that everyone turn a blind eye because you find the facts unpleasant?

I don't suggest anyone turn a blind eye because the facts are unpleasant. Pedophiles and murders should be exposed. They had the content, they admitted to using drugs, they enjoyed scary movies, they say a lot of highly deceptive and unusual things but you don't know positively what happened. No one here does. I suggest everyone wait for the facts and the conclusion before wallowing around trying to piece every detail together to create their own version of the story to satiate their need for the dirty details.

Lis said...

Oh, I hope Young does not drop Billie, he's doing a great job. ;-)

Vita said...

Jan 2011, Billie interviewed inside her house.

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/libraries/nxd/media/?data=media_player&v=618136

The nose touching to be her signature when she speaks in authority of the case, her known within LE, she to share with media - the Nose touching, is her nerves? sensitive to her own lying.

This video/interview is highly edited. The cuts visible.

3:35, people bring so much food, and shampoo, different things, they've been really good, their always wanting to help, wanting to do something, that's great also, to know that Kids are being supportive, as well, an um hopefully reminding them to kiss their mom's goodnight every night. (wow)

Asked Searchers/Searches
"anything in the dirt"

4:43 - yeah... yeah, I am, I'm glad their looking but of course each day, I'm hope that they don't find anything out there in the dirt, um that's not the way I want them to find her, just that I feel a lot of people have already decided that a um, he is a bad person and he hurt my daughter, that's why I wanted to get it out there, that um there is still hope that Hailey is alive, and I don't want people to forget that, I want people to continue to looking for Hailey alive,,

curiouserandcuriouser said...

If we were speaking of a normal mother and not of Billie Jean, NOT DUNN, I could easily tell you why pedophilia would be referenced before murder: because of the shocking heinousness of it; it goes rapes your child, literally and figuratively and your mind and spirit of so much more than the mind can comprehend; (I am assuming, not from experience, but from my field of work knowledge and instinctively, the shock I can only begin to imagine a mother would feel if that were done to her child).

It would be like your child had been murdered twice over, once in the most intimate way possible so that only a shell of her existed and then, someone just callously discarded her shell and murdered her.

Of course, this would be BIG IF's- IF we weren't talking about Billie Jean, NOT DUNN and IF we could reasonable infer or prove that Billie had knowledge (not guilty knowledge from law enforcement that something of a sexual nature had happened to Hailey and that Hailey was then murdered.

Anonymous said...

Statement Analysis = Statement Validity Assessment

Statement Validity Assessment = standard component of Forensic Psychology & Forensic Psychiatry

Forensic Psychology & Forensic Psychiatry = subsections of Forensic Science

Law Enforcement Officials rely as heavily upon statement analysis as they do upon crime scene forensics

So Faq Off Already with trashing Statement Analysis

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Anonymous said...

Who's trashing statement analysis? It is what it is. It's a study but it's not completely reliable. It does not work in all situations. If you use statement analysis daily, you will be convinced every single person you know is a liar. A lot of different factors effect how a person communicates and what they say. Statement analysis is great, an interesting read. Reading certain things about Hailey that haven't been confirmed isn't interesting, not to me, it's unfair to her.

Just waitin' said...

Hailey's death and disposal was unfair.

Lis said...

I do not know if Shawn Adkins is guilty of Hailey's murder or if Billie Dunn is, but I will say that if it is Billie, Shawn makes the best fall guy anyone could wish for. Who would not assume his guilt, given how he has publicly presented himself in the past?

I question why people (not here, but elsewhere) are not looking harder at Billie. She met Shawn through social media, right? Had a chance to see how he presented himself, look at all his photos and videos, interact with him. This is what she was attracted to and brought into her home, with full knowledge. She covered up for him, lied for him, excused their bloodlust as "just a hobby," kept seeing him after the murder. Now suddenly she calls him a pedophile and people are not seeing the duplicity? I hope jurors will be smarter than this!

Shayna said...

Per the DSM (Diagnostic and statistical manual of psychiatric disorders) a pedophile is an adult with a personality disorder who is sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children. Thus is defined as children under the age of 11 generally, but may be extended to the age of 13. There is another term, hebophilia, for adults that are sexually attracted to pubescents age 11 to 14.

Lis said...

Those who are visiting this blog out of outrage at things being posted about it elsewhere, I hope you will read the past analysis of Billie Dunn's statements and then ask yourselves why she has such a need to turn people away from reading here.

john said...

Anon 1:56,

Read the articles and comments,and if you have any insite to what has been analyzed,you will find that you are suggesting the complete opposite to what has been written..

Also if you are so confident in what you say, and believe,give us your opinion,and not just refuting without explanation

Its that simple,otherwise,there is no point in making a remark without giving us your reasons.

Thank You

Anonymous said...

Agreed with Lis

Also ask yourselves what kind of mother has deviant images in her home. What kind of mother can have a party days after her child is reported missing. What kind of mother lies for her boyfriend during an investigation into the disappearance of her child. What kind of mother is this. One that could cover up the death of her own daughter? There is a fair chance IMO.

ANON 2013

Anonymous said...

People who dismiss Forensic Science as "hypothesis" are no different from Holocaust deniers and 9/11 conspiracy theorists


Best to ignore those people because they're pathological liars and mentally ill

Sus said...

If Young is hoping to get famous playing on the national stage, he has the wrong client. Billie Dunn comes off as lying trash, not even a sensational, intelligent sociopath.

I would never have heard of Hailey Dunn if not for Peter and his blog. None of my friends nor family know about her when I mention the case.

Thank you Peter, for keeping Hailey's and other missing and murdered children's memory alive until justice is served. Peter and Heather do this by seeking the truth through Statement Analysis.

T.G. said...

First-time poster :)

I read somewhere on the blog (I cannot remember if it was a post or in the comments) that the remains would be released to Hailey's dad instead of Billie.

I see that on the "Hope for Hailey" FB page, yesterday, Billie posted, "I talked to LE today, Hailey will be released to me, but it might not be real soon as they are being meticulous collecting any evidence".

Does anyone have the scoop? Would LE really release the remains to a person of interest?

john said...

I cant believe i allowed myself to get caught up in the trolls.

Goes to the naughty corner for a week..

Sus said...

I know. I usually stay right with analysis, but I broke and called Billie trash.

REK said...

how is this slandering hailey? wouldn't it be slandering hailey's perps because they (the perps) are the ones that are being analyzed. please point out where someone has slandered hailey?

~ABC said...

Peter Hyatt said...

I think many thought Adkins would as well. He did not like being seen as a 'monster'...
May 2, 2013 at 7:30 AM

Really? I think his slasher mask/movie/band/porn obsession says something different! I think he totally want's to be seen as a monster. One with the capacity to outsmart everyone.

Sus said...

Oh good...a break to buy shoes! It's for a good cause, tho.

S + K Mum said...

The 'trolls' should be ignored although it is very difficult!

It's attack attack attack, foul language and rude outbursts. Lack of control on their part. I don't think I have read any of their posts say anything positive about BJD or SA either. Rather odd.

Vita said...

For the Anon who reads and researches, more for you to read and research.

DETECTING ANOMALIES

Linguistic text analysis involves studying the language, grammar and syntax a subject uses to describe an event to detect any anomalies. Experienced investigators are accustomed to studying interview subjects' nonverbal behavior, such as eye contact and hand movement. Text analysis, on the other hand, considers only the subject's verbal behavior. Because text analysis evaluates only the subject's words, investigators can apply it to written as well as oral statements. In fact, many investigators prefer to analyze suspects' written statements for signs of deception before conducting face-to-face interviews.

Text analysis is based on research originating in the 1970s. Psychologists and linguists studied the language and word choices of subjects in controlled experiments and found predictable differences between truthful and deceptive statements. Susan Adams, an instructor who taught text analysis (which she called statement analysis) at the FBI Academy for many years, described it as a two-part process ("Statement Analysis: What Do Suspects' Words Really Reveal?" FBI Law Enforcement Journal, October 1996). First, investigators determine what is typical of a truthful statement. Secondly, they look for deviations from the norm.

The following section describes deviations that suggest a subject may be withholding, altering or fabricating information.

The points of what Statement Analysis is, broken down can be found within the article above, the link below:
http://www.fraud-magazine.com/article.aspx?id=4294971184

April 2013, TBA class schedule, Fox Valley Technical College. Appleton, Wisconsin - one college found in seconds.

http://www.fvtc.edu/public/content.aspx?ID=1450&PID=22

FBI Statement & Analysis
Dates: TBD
Length: 16 hours
Time: 8:00 a.m. – 4:30 p.m.
Cost: $75.00
Location: TBD

Training Topics Offered:
Statement Analysis is the structured examination of an individual's verbatim words. This course is designed to provide investigators with a structured method of examining verbal and written communication. Investigators will develop specific linguistic tools to use in analyzing statements provided by witnesses, victims and suspects.

Within the law enforcement context, statement analysis is used as an investigative tool to gain insight into an individual and to detect areas of possible deception. Investigators will ultimately gain the ability to add structure and specifically articulate what indicators of veracity and/or deception a witness, victim or suspect is exhibiting.
--
Google: " Statement Analysis" if you wish to research, read more, as there is countless resources to learn from> as you find this blog Peter's happenstance of a hobby? Hailey, her murder, to all here is for entertainment purposes? If Hailey Dunn is being exploited here, then what is the purpose for discussion, ask yourself this question.

This is your opinion of the blog? Or Hailey herself is in your opinion? to be? it is a gross assumption, as you are gauging your assumption upon your lack of knowledge. The blog is of S.A., learning a science, to be learned here if one chooses.

The study of Statement Analysis, is of the learned by those in college, training by curriculum for pick a career. It is a tool, it is utilized by many agencies, used by many facilities all over the world. Knowledge is power.

Excruciating Headache said...

Don't feel too bad, John. There's beer and pizza in the naughty corner.

Local anon said...

Whew.... are we through arguing the definition of a pedophile?
Let's get back to basics. Billie is leaking information about Shawn with that statement. As for her facebook comment about the memorial, we all know someone wrote it for her. John Youn's office, Hope for Hailey supporters? She is lying when she says LE will release the remains to her. She is a POI. They will be released to Clint. My opinion of course.

~ABC said...

C5H11ONO said...
SA is a deviant. I believe he was making money by selling child porn. That was his side business.
May 2, 2013 at 12:05 PM

I completely agree! Further to that, I've read some comments on FB about SAdkins having a very militant hatred of pedophiles in specific. Right! That's common. To make a dramatic show of opposition to the very thing one is doing themselves!

Local anon said...

Thanks Vita. I am going to join John in the naughty corner and do some research over beer and pizza.

~ABC said...

T.G. said...
First-time poster :)

Does anyone have the scoop? Would LE really release the remains to a person of interest?
May 2, 2013 at 2:23 PM

Hi T.G. :)

In all seriousness, the scoop is if BJD said it then more than likely it is a lie. SA had shown that she is deceptive in everything she does and very often fabricates reality. Added to this is the fact that she is a convicted liar.

Anonymous said...

A non- pedophile can rape a child? That sounds unlikely. If you rape a child you have sexually assaulted a child therefore you are a pedophile.

Excruciating Headache said...

I guess sometimes a judge will release remains to the murderer. New York wants to put a stop to it. Write your representatives if you'd like them to enact similar legislation. I write mine all the time. As a Democrat in a solidly Republican district, I feel like it's the only way to have my voice heard.

http://www.nysenate.gov/press-release/senate-passes-bill-protect-remains-crime-victims-0

? said...

To those "visitors" who question the mumbo-jumbo at this site, did you ever play 20 questions? Interesting how things can be narrowed down to an answer if you ask the right questions and eliminate everything but 1 answer.

Anyone else want to play 20 questions? I'll start.


Did you do all you could to protect your children by screening the man you brought into their home?

No, I had already asked LE to protect me when he made threats on my life but I didn't consider him a dangerous man.

Did you purchase the drugs for you toothache legally from a licensed pharmacy with a valid prescription?

Yes, but my understanding is that as long as a drug is manufactured for a valid use then it's okay to buy it illegally.


Did you put your children's welfare before your own?
No, I was blinded by love.

Did you show a preferential love for Hailey by moving SA out of your home and your life until you could know for sure that he wasn't responsible for Hailey's disappearance?

No, it wasn't until he started threatening ME again that I took them seriously and realize he was dangerous.

Eliza said...

Re: Amanda Knox's interview videos... By no means am I an expert in behavioral analysis and body language, but listening to her in these videos and watching her reactions, I can say something is not right... She didn't seem to deny strongly enough that she killed Meredith and that she was in the house that night. SA-wise, she didn't issue a reliable denial.

maemae said...


“Nothing today,” said Katherine Gilkinson Chaumont, spokeswoman for the FBI in Dallas, when asked for an update and when the ex-middle school cheerleader’s remains will be released to her family.


http://www.ktxs.com/news/fbi-other-law-enforcement-remain-mum-about-status-of-hailey-dunns-death-probe/-/14769632/19988400/-/145jl9a/-/index.html

Sus said...

Everytime I see Amanda Knox speak, something comes to my mind. She displays Aspergers characteristics. Does anyone here know her educational history?

~ABC said...

Anonymous said...
A non- pedophile can rape a child? That sounds unlikely. If you rape a child you have sexually assaulted a child therefore you are a pedophile.
May 2, 2013 at 3:12 PM

I'm sure there are many gray areas here. In my understanding, rape is about violence. Pedophilia is about sexual arousal. Rape is about violently attacking someone, be it male or female, adult or child, it doesn't matter. So a rapist could violently attack a child and not be a pedophile.

I understand that all of that tedious labeling and categorizing is necessary in the medical and legal system. As for me, I don't really care what either a rapist or pedophiles motivation is, they are both despicable acts! That's it. That's all. And anyone doing either should be punished severely.

Dee said...

http://www.ktxs.com/news/fbi-other-law-enforcement-remain-mum-about-status-of-hailey-dunns-death-probe/-/14769632/19988400/-/145jl9a/-/index.html

Hailey Dunn’s remains were found March 16 near the Scurry County lake. At that time, DPS, Texas Ranger and FBI investigators spent three and a half days at the crime scene to gather the teen’s scattered remains and any evidence that could lead to a conviction. ***They were able to identify her through dental records.***


Dental Records??? I wonder if this is true or misreporting. If it was through dental records then why the delay in announcing the identity? That doesn't take nearly as long as DNA. They must be going over the remains in great detail to not have released them to the family yet.

~ABC said...

Anonymous said...

BJD is not being called POI yet....
May 2, 2013 at 3:32 PM

BJD became a POI when she failed the polygraph. And I believe the police did name her as such.

maemae said...

You are likely correct Anonymous @3:32. Yesterday as I was cleaning out my vehicle, I removed the roll of pink flagging tape from my console; no need to mark any more locations as cleared for Miss Hailey. I wasn't part of any search team. I looked at different times and different places when I was out and about in the county. Now that my hope for hailey is gone, I want justice for Hailey and pray it is soon.

Anonymous said...


02
2013‘Hope’ turns to ‘Justice’ after missing teen Hailey Dunn located deceased
Posted by victimsnewsonline By Erica Morse
Editor-in-Chief, Victims News Online
Updated 10:30 a.m., May 2, 2013

(VNO) — After authorities confirmed last Friday that missing Texas teen Hailey Darlene Dunn had been located deceased, those who spent the last 28 months searching for her have begun a new mission: getting Justice for Hailey.

Hailey Dunn vanished on or about Sunday, December 26, 2010, from her home in Colorado City, Texas. She was officially reported missing by her mother, Billie Jean Ostrander-Dunn, on Tuesday, December 28, 2010. Her remains were located near Lake J.B. Thomas on March 16, 2013, by a prison guard who happened to be scouring for arrowheads nearby.


Photo/Erica Morse
Since her disappearance, hundreds of people from the west Texas region have spent thousands of hours on the ground, volunteering their time, searching for Hailey. As news spread that she had — in fact — been located, those who grew to love the missing teen they’ve never met shifted their focus from “Hope for Hailey” to “Justice for Hailey”.

Since Hailey’s disappearance, Saturdays in west Texas were known as “Hailey Day”. That was the day searchers scoured local fields, lakes, abandoned properties and roadsides, attempting to find the missing teen. Last Saturday, when there was no longer a need for searching, those who have devoted their weekends to the missing teen gathered outside her former home, at the memorial site now known as “Hailey’s Hope”.

Frustration (at not finding the teen) turned to appreciation (for the person who did) as anger and frustration set in (at the news of her being found deceased). A group calling themselves, “Waiting on Justice for Hailey Dunn” kicked their efforts into high-gear after the announcement was made by authorities, as they worked overtime to develop their new strategy: getting Justice for the murdered teen.


Cross at “Hailey’s Hope”
Photo/Erica Morse
The primary person of interest in Hailey’s disappearance since the beginning has been the former live-in boyfriend of Hailey’s mother, Shawn Casey Adkins. Adkins was the last known person (by his own admission) to see Hailey alive prior to her disappearance. Since the beginning, Adkins’ own statements (“It’s like killing a deer”) have led many to believe he could have been capable of the crime against the teen.

When it was announced last week that Hailey had been located deceased, the efforts of justice for the teen ramped up; the orange “Hope for Hailey” t-shirts are being replaced with new ones, clamoring for “Justice for Hailey”. One searcher, who organized booths at local trade shows and events for Hailey, wrote a poem yesterday honoring the murdered teen. Melissa Gooch expressed her support for Justice for Hailey with the following words:

“The more they try to silence us,
with lies and their deceit,
The louder we will get
For all the world to see!!

We will shout it from the rooftops,
and over by the sea.
We will shout it from the mountains,
Just you wait and see!!

We will shout it from our hearts
and with our mouths proclaim,
Hailey is our angel
And Justice she shall see!!!

SHOUT IT, SHOUT IT, SHOUT IT!!!!
JUSTICE FOR HAILEY!!

To order a “Justice for Hailey” t-shirt, you may do so via paypal. The address is bigpain5547@yahoo.com, and cost is $20.

--------------------------------

HUH? What? "Waiting on Justice" is a facebook page populated mostly by women of larger girth -- it's not an "organization" developing a "strategy" to seek justice for Hailey. This has just gotten so out of hand....not that I don't want justice for Hailey but it is QUALIFIED LAW ENFORCEMENT and not facebook posters who are taking care of that. There are people who have just gone too, too far.

Anonymous said...

Dee

the report has to be incorrect, my guess is dna not dental

Dee said...

Anonymous said...
Dee

the report has to be incorrect, my guess is dna not dental

*****************************
Thanks anon. The news getting it wrong? Nah, never happens. ;)
My guess was DNA from a bone too, especially with the state the remains were in and how long it took. But that's the second time I've read she was identified through dental records.

Trixiebelle said...

wow, before I read "BJD: Consciousness of Guilt" allow me to pull my usual Nancy Drew in that "a picture is worth a thousand words".....first off, those bags under BJD's eyes in the header photo tell me, as a nurse of 25+ yrs of experience, that girl's liver is working overtime!!!!! The swollen hands, ditto.
Please, BJD is a party, party, party girl,......albeit, a party girl with a thirteen-year old girl dead well before her expected time.
Thank-you all for the enlightenment about the Grand Jury....I am new to this game and am totally in the dark how Grand Juries, indictments, etc..work....

Dee said...

@ecossie possie...I just read the comments at the top and saw your Kerplunk analogy. Perfect!

~ABC said...

Anon @ 3:55

It is the same distaste for hearing truth, which you are saying you find disturbing, that enables things like child sexual abuse to continue. It needs to be discussed openly.

Also, how are you any more well suited to speak on Hailey's behalf? I can project that if I were Hailey I would be happy to know that people are willing to risk the wrath of others in order to speak the truth for me! If anyone in her family had been willing to do that she would still be alive.

Anonymous said...

Two affidavits name both Billie Jean Dunn and Shawn Adkins as Persons of Interest.......

T.G. said...

@ Dee and Anonymous

Dee said...
Anonymous said...
Dee

the report has to be incorrect, my guess is dna not dental

*****************************
Thanks anon. The news getting it wrong? Nah, never happens. ;)
My guess was DNA from a bone too, especially with the state the remains were in and how long it took. But that's the second time I've read she was identified through dental records.
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According to this article:
http://www.ktxs.com/news/attorney-slain-teens-mother-hasnt-been-questioned-since-remains-found/-/14769632/19957980/-/9x5whi/-/index.html

Like the other KTXS article, they were able to identify her through dental records, however, this article also states, "Young said the only contact law enforcement has had with Billie Dunn since her daughter’s remains were found “has been for the purposes of updating her on the status of lab tests and DNA tests to determine the identity of the remains.”

So basically, they may say that what truly ID'd her were the dental records but they were performing a lot of other tests as well...

Hobnob said...

We have beer and pizza?? gimme :)

loulou said...

They did do dna test..... I remember in the pre news conference, the officer stating to what degree certainty it was. Didn't he?

Anonymous said...

The person who actually killed Hailey wants her followers to be angry at someone who 'hurts a dead child's feelings?'

Am I reading this stuff right?

are they that brainwashed?

Dee said...

Thanks T.G.
Thanks loulou...I was driving so I wasn't able to listen to the press conference.

Peter Hyatt said...

Hailey's grandmother said on National Television that Shawn raped her and killed her when Hailey threatened to tell. This was her theory.

I don't recall Billie Jean Dunn getting very upset about this. In fact, I recall that her lack of reaction was noted on television.

Her Facebook Fanclub, apparently, is now upset that sexual abuse issue is being raised. I don't recall them upset when Hailey's own grandmother raised the issue and I don't see them upset now at their heroine.

Yet, Dunn, herself, posted about "pedophilia", which introduces the topic of sex, in relation to her daughter, the victim, and her followers are upset about comments here.

The irony is not missed.

They will be posting supportive comments even after she is found guilty. Perhaps they will start a new "Hope" campaign, a la Cindy Anthony, with her "Caylee sightings" and take a page from that comic book.

Please don't copy/paste the folly and illogic. They are entitled to their opinions on their Billie Facebook page, not here.

The original comments get deleted and then we must delete those who copy/paste them.

Justice for Hailey is upon us.

Peter

john said...

Hobnob said...
We have beer and pizza?? gimme :)


I have an emergency line to the best chinese restaraunt in the world.

Ner na na na naar.

ecossie possie said...

Anonymous said...
Instead you're all more focused on hurrying up and getting out your theory, your version, your idea of what happened in some weird twisted hope it's going to bring her justice sooner. How?

May 2, 2013 at 1:59 PM
Ive read this site for years an recently started to comment.

Put simply its learning from peoples words.

Yes we speculate an sometimes we acumulate knowlage.

If you dissagree with what we do.
Why bother reading .If you think its pointless then why bother to even comment in a degogatary manner.

Why trie an censor peoples an ideas by belittle ing the Blog Host.

Immplying he has just read a couple of books an is a fantisist.
An armchair detective.

An more fool us for even beleiveing his wakaddodle theotys?

Does it concern you .?

As I stated I have read his blog for years .
An over aall his persentage rate of accurecy is astounding as people lie.
Words do not.
Casey Anthony lied when she claimed a Nanny the Zannny kidnappec Caylee.
But she also told us CAYLEE was dead when she said.

Caylee loved to ..past tence...
Play in the Park.
She told the truth when she said ...In my heart I know shes close...

Ans indeed she was just down the first peice of unused land at the bottom of her street.

Comeing on this blog an only refering to negative atributes.
Is like me going on a blod dedicated to ballet or modern dance.

And saying I think ballet boreing irrelevant an so so tediou.
All those blokes pranceing about like big jessies.

An them silly little skinny women spinning on there toes makes one dizzy ballet suck blah blah.

But of course I would never do that .
I love Ballet an Dance but you get my drift.

If you have nothing usefull to add.
Or positive to say.
Why take the time to write a degogatery reply?

john said...

Hailey's grandma has a lot more information'than that she is disclosing .

Her statement had Kerplunks leaking everywhere ...

~ABC said...

Anonymous said...
The person who actually killed Hailey wants her followers to be angry at someone who 'hurts a dead child's feelings?'

Am I reading this stuff right?

are they that brainwashed?
May 2, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Mmmmmm hmmmmmm! chuckle

john said...

Her Grandma has snook under the radar.

I found a statement from her last week,and her language leaked knowledge, or awareness that something was not all good.I would appreciate it if someone could find the statement.Ive searched and cant find it..

I recall her saying,she feels numb,or words to that affect.

Thanks.

Anonymous said...

I will pop over to hailey dunn discussion group on a social network site and read about how they are suspicious of Shawn now, because Billie said so. *chortle*

*************************************

~ABC said...

Hey John

Yes. I posted this on another thread. The grandmother is blaming Hailey too!

Connie Jones said...
What made somebody want to hurt her? What did she did she do that was so bad," Jones said. "I'm numb, I'm numb, I just don't want to live."

http://www.kcbd.com/story/22093946/grandmother-wants-justice-for-hailey-dunn

john said...

Hi ~ABC.

Ive found it.

This is my analysis,and no one else's.Its my opinion,and my opinion only.

Grandmother wants justice for Hailey Dunn..
More than two years of searching and holding out hope ended Friday, and now family and friends want nothing more than justice for Hailey Dunn.
Scurry County officials confirmed that the remains found near Lake J.B. Thomas back in March were identified as missing Colorado City teenager Hailey Dunn.
Hailey's paternal grandmother, Connie Jones, was devastated by the news.
"What made SOMEBODY want to HURT her? What did she did she do that was so bad," Jones said. "I'M NUMB, I'm NUMB, I JUST don't want to live."
(SOMEBODY)
Here she says somebody.we now see if ther is any change in language.
(HURT)
This is passive language,given that she knows Hailey has been murdered,however she may not be able to bring herself to accept it?
However, Jones believes she knows where the investigation should begin.
"I THINK SHAUN ADKINS had something to do with IT. That's the FIRST THING that came out of my mouth, I asked, where the Hell is Shaun?" Jones said.
("I THINK SHAUN ADKINS had something to do with IT)
Here we have the change in language.Earlier she said "What made someone hurt her.I cant see why there is a change in language..
(That's the FIRST THING that came out of my mouth, I asked, where the Hell is Shaun?")
"THE FIRST THING"
Where there is a first thing,it is usually followed by a second thing.What was the second thing on her mind..?
"HELL" this is the first time this word is used.
Friday, officials wouldn't answer any questi0ns about the investigation, but we do know Hailey's mother's ex-boyfriend, Shawn Adkins has been the only named person of interest over the past two years.
"I THINK Billie WAS AFRAID of Shawn, BECAUSE Billie TOLD me she was AFRAID of Shawn," Jones said.
(I THINK)
She is unsure.
(WAS AFRAID )
Past tense,why isnt she afraid anymore?
(BECAUSE )
When ther is a need to explain it becomes highly sensitive..
"TOLD"
(Told is more firm than said,and is usually a one way convisation.)
"AFRAID"
(here afraid is used for the second time making it sensitive)
This grandmother says she wants nothing more than a few moments with the man she believes took Hailey's life.
"I WOULDN'T say ANYTHING , just smile. He's kept us in HELL and now his HELL is just beginning," Jones said.
"I WOULDN'T say ANYTHING "
(Double negative,making it sensitive..Why?)
"He's kept us in HELL and now his HELL is just beginning"
Here we have HELL used again making it three times.it now becomes highly sensitive.I would also like to ask her what her idea of hell is.
The search for Hailey is over, leaving this woman without her beloved granddaughter. She hopes others will realize this can happen to anyone.
"YOU think it's not going to touch ME. It's not going to touch MY town, but it touches YOU. In every way, it touches YOU," Jones said.
(You,Me,My,You and you again.significant changes in pronouns)

Nanna Frances said...

John,
Connie Jones, Hailey's grandmother, said that she thought Shawn Adkins raped and killed Hailey when Hailey first went missing. Nancy Grace asked Billie Jean about this and she said nobody told me she was scared of Shawn.

Nic said...

you just stay in a state of anxiety and scared until you learn the results." Said Dunn.

Maybe the words 'anxiety and scared' aren't "seepage" but when considering the source and what she probably contended with every day knowing that people were always out looking for Hailey and "praying to God that it's not her" when remains are discovered (consequence), the words are accurate for a different reasons. Especially when coupled with the word "staying". There would be no reprieve until people finally stopped looking for Hailey.

jmo

john said...

Hi Nanna Frances,

There is going to be a hell of a lot of people getting pulled in for questioning..

Family and friends aside..

When the Sh$t hits the fan,(apologies for my language)

There is going to be a race for the bus,who's driving"not me" haha.

I was only there for the ride.

I heard rumours,etc etc,

sphincter,s tightening..

Peter Hyatt said...

In terms of blaming Hailey:

I think the confusion is because of quotes.

We look for perpetrators to find subtle ways to blame and/or disparage the victim and BJD certainly has.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Fern did Hailey walk to Lake JB Thomas and fall over dead of natural causes? If it's not of natural causes, it's murder. So now come back with, accidents aren't murder. No they are not however, death by accident doesn't result in a body being left in the ugly fields like Hailey was.
Dawn

Anonymous said...

She wore Hailey's clothes too !

Anonymous said...

The Hope for Hailey group only want Justice if it doesn't include Billie! I know at least one of the rotund ones that is apart of the group and she is nothing but a complete loser that hasn't had a job in many years. She was on tv balling like she knew Hailey. What a joke! She is all buddy buddy with Pillie . Everyone who knows her is laughing at what a twit she is. I wouldn't let anyone from that group influence me in anyway.

Anonymous said...

Tg made a funny

Anonymous said...

"You just stay in a state of anxiety and scared until you learn the results". Why would she stay in a state of anxiety and scared if she had done nothing wrong even if the remains found did turn out to be Haileys'? Because she already knew these were Haileys' remains.

You "worry about what you are going to tell your family and friends when she is found". Why worry about telling them anything since the findings will be announced by LE and media, and not by you? It will not be your job to tell anyone ANYTHING. Why are you so worried about "telling" them anything if you did nothing to cause her demise?

Billie told us during her first interview that Hailey was deceased when she referred to her in the past tense. She continuously told us in numerous ways and repeatedly for the past 28 months that Hailey was deceased; even in not wasting her time looking for Hailey, she knew. In her announcement "see you in six months" for the next vigil, she knew. When she got rid of Haileys' beloved dog, she knew.

NOW, she has told us that Hailey was sexually molested, raped and murdered since her bones were discovered and BEFORE LE made any such announcement that Hailey was raped and murdered. How could Billie know she was molested, raped and murdered even before LE knew? Because she was there. How else would she know? Because she was there. Anon 1

Peter Hyatt said...

I am hoping to attend the vigil. I don't know if arrests will precede it.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Peter if those of us want to make a donation to Hailey's memorial, who best to make a donation to?

Peacedude said...

Anonymous at 6:58.
I plan to make a donation in Hailey's name to concho valley home for girls. This facility cares for young women who have been removed from unfit or unsafe homes. It's about 90 miles from Colorado city. Google it, it's been around a very long time. Maybe, your hometown has something similar.

Peter Hyatt said...

Peace dude that is a nice idea. Other idea to consider:

if you want to donate directly to the scholarship: Colorado School business office, 1132 Hickory St. Colorado City, Tx 79512 and put ATTN HAILEY DUNN SCHOLARSHIP on it.

Peacedude said...

The school scholarship was my second choice. I would caution donating to anything that pops up on fb in the next few weeks

Peter Hyatt said...

Agreed. There are those who may divert funds to one of the killers.

maemae said...

Who gets the proceeds of these WOJ t'shirts?

Local anon said...

John Young was interviewed on newswest 9 tonight. Lots of talk about poor Billie and that the remains will knot be released until further investigation. Also that they are glad FBI has been asked back in. Slimed positioning, judge for yourself.

Anonymous said...

Loulou, yes. The dna results showed a positive match to some trillion odds that it could be anyone but Hailey.

Anonymous said...

hope for hailey reports the family would prefer flowers rather than a donation to a worthy cause. This statement was in response to another mother of a missing child who wanted to make a donation to a charity of the family's choice. Smh

stop_playing_dumb said...

Every time I see this photo of Billie, I think she is looking at herself in a hand mirror and fixing her hair.

melvania said...

Have any of BJD or SA's statements revealed intent to commit crime again? Or that they're still I'm the act of committing? I.e. deviant images, drugs, violence

Is there anyone in BJD/SA's midst that is in imminent danger?

~ABC said...

stop_playing_dumb said...
Every time I see this photo of Billie, I think she is looking at herself in a hand mirror and fixing her hair.
May 2, 2013 at 7:55 PM

lol Me too! Isn't that bizarre and yet oddly appropriate?

JerseyJane said...

The family is requesting flowers VS. Donating in Hailey's name to a charity?? I have not heard of ANY family in my life requesting flowers ? I work in the dead business, oh, well, first for me!!!....I wonder if it is Hope for Hailey saying family requested that... That won't be right if they are steering people like that without full details..

Mmmmmmm.......only 2 flower shops have been named to buy flowers from....

I would guess that maybe that this Hope For Hailey is getting a % of sales for possibly giving to Haileys family the proceeds? So that may be why they don't suggest to donate monies in Haileys name .

Dee said...

maemae May 2, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Who gets the proceeds of these WOJ t'shirts?

*********************
maemae...I saw a post there that said they were for cost. It's just because people want them, not to make money. Disclaimer...I don't belong to the group or know anyone who does. They appear honest and have locals who post who were searchers but as always proceed with caution.

Anonymous said...

Hailey was a beautiful young girl in every way. Every time I see the distorted photo of Hailey that Billie had tatted on her upper arm, all I can see is Billies' streaked rendition of Hailey as a ghost, exactly what Billie deserves to be left stuck with.

That's all I can see in this awful likeness of Hailey that turned out looking like a passing ghost and try quickly to skim past it because it bears little of Haileys' beauty.

Wear it well, Billie. I hope this ghostly likeness of Hailey you had tatted on your arm torments you for the rest of your sorry life. Anon 1

Anonymous said...

I have never heard of anyone requesting flowers (that quickly fade away and die) in leiu of donations to a worthy cause in honor of the deceased that could last a lifetime. Who would do such a thing, Billie Jean NOT DUNN? Sounds like her. Anon 1

Hobnob said...

john said...

Hobnob said...
We have beer and pizza?? gimme :)


I have an emergency line to the best chinese restaraunt in the world.

Ner na na na naar


Pfffft if i am ever in your neck of the woods dinner is on you, In the mean time i have two of the best chinese restaurants, the hong kong and the thai gardens neener neener neener

ecossie possie said...

Is there anyone in BJD/SA's midst that is in imminent danger?


Well they are both in the mire dont know about the mist.
But both swanboy an billienotdunnothing are both in dager of imminent arrest.
An Public vitriol an condemnation for there horrific depraved acts .

Against a 13 year old CHILD.

Whom should have been nutured not slaughtered.

ecossie possie said...

Anonymous said...
I have never heard of anyone requesting flowers (that quickly fade away and die) in leiu of donations to a worthy cause in honor of the deceased that could last a lifetime. Who would do such a thing, Billie Jean NOT DUNN? Sounds like her. Anon 1

May 2, 2013 at 9:09 PM


Perhaps she thinks the overwhelming aroma of perfumed flowers will cover the STENCH of her.

BETRAYAL.....

Hobnob said...

Regarding flowers.

Usually with funerals flowers are a given or a request is for family flowers only, any requests will be for donations to a specified charity.

Asking for flowers is unexpected behavior (one of my bros was an undertaker)

I find myself asking why the request for flowers.
That it seems to be specific i find myself wondering are the businesses getting a cutfrom the increase in business which will be passed onto billie?
Will any flowers perhaps be sold on amd the money ending up in billie's pockets?
Is it possible flowers will be returned to the shop and reused for other funerals or bouguets etc?

Billie needs money, she is going to have a lot of bills to pay especially if she keeps her attorney, she needs money to see who is saying what to whom, to get her last flings of drugs before it's jail time.

She sold the car she was given, flowers will bring in a few bux and every little helps.

The net is tightening with billie inside hence all the facebook comments, the distancing from shawn, the aligning herself with clint and the removal of david from her thankyou letter ( plus the weird my beautiful son and husband)

maemae said...

Dee, Thank you for the information. I read some of the posts on the WOJ page a few months ago and was disappointed by what I perceived to be hatefulness by some of the members. I chose to avoid it. I know a few of the original Haileys Angels searchers. They are good women with beautiful hearts.

I am planning on attending Haileys memorial service and I believe I will donate to the scholarship fund.

ecossie possie said...

Also she say flowers as she has no control over HAILEYS remains .

Although she lies other wise.
She therfore has no say so in HAILEYS BURIAL or CREMATION.

After all if billienotdunnnothing had her way.
She would want murder jewlery like cindy anthony.

An she also therfore has no control of any monetery donations comeing in.
If she did she would be begging for cash for a huge funeral wich she would simoiultaniously be blagging for free or reduced rate.

So she could pocket the money .
But she has no say so she will more an likeley be arrested an in jail before HAILEYS FUNERAL AN MEMORIAL.

She spouts that nonsence about flower an I will plan the Memorial to deceive.
To inffer she is still in the loop
But she is not she is in a noose an its tightening quick smart.

It would be a mockery an travesty to let her dare darken the horizon as her DAUGHTER IS LAID TO REST.

With dignity unlike the way she desposed of her in them ugly feilds.

~ABC said...

I see 6 posts by you T.G. What is going on with people claiming their posts have been deleted when they clearly have not?

~ABC said...

Ahhhh I see T.G. Did you quote a troll?? lol
I did and got deleted too!!

Anonymous said...

We have rolled over the 200 mark again and people aren't seeing the "newer" link.

Blaze said...

From the article:

"Why, all of the sudden when the body is found, does she suddenly know that Shawn Adkins is a pedophile and a child murder?"

At separate times, both BJD and SA have made the statement that the last SIX months before the missing report..things were AWESOME.

SA said it in this interview:

http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=339746

BJD said in this one:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1101/19/ng.01.html

What began to make things awesome in their relationship 6 months before the murder? That would have been around SA's birthday June 30, almost 6 months to the day.






curiouserandcuriouser said...

@Hobs-
Billie Jean, NOT DUNN was given a car and she sold it? Was it recently that she sold it? Where is this information coming from?

TYIA :-)

--

Also, I wonder if Billie Jean, NOT DUNN is sweating over the remains found in Sweetwater, TX, just a week after the ones in Scurry County were found?
http://www.examiner.com/article/authorities-west-texas-confirm-discovery-of-human-remains-sweetwater

BostonLady said...

Anonymous said...

Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:43 am

Dunn family waiting on release of remains

"Hailey will be released to me, but it might not be real soon as they are being meticulous collecting any evidence," Billie Jean Dunn wrote.

"I'm grateful they are keeping me updated and doing everything to insure they miss nothing. I want her home, but am definitely not going to rush them. I trust they are doing everything necessary to get what they need & to get her home."

http://www.oaoa.com/news/crime_justice/law_enforcement/article_a18ebeac-b336-11e2-866a-001a4bcf6878.html

May 2, 2013 at 1:21 PM

******

I find it very interesting that the day before Billie made this statement, her attorney gave an interview in which he stated that LE has NOT spoken or had any contact with Billie Jean since they let her know the identity of the remains. The day before she posted this!

So are we to believe that in the next day, all of a sudden they are telling her everything and keeping her updated? Come on. That was not a smart move Billie. Even your lawyer admitted in the media that you were OUT of the loop.

newbie said...

about them requesting flowers instead of donating to a charity, I regret where my mind goes sometimes, but I instantly remembered Costco accepts returns of live poinsettia's after Christmas is over (bizarre I know but I have seen it happen) and I am wondering if BJD has a hookup for returning flowers (for cash)or reselling them ?

BostonLady said...

The posts are not being deleted. There seems to be a new link that you have to click "Newer/Newest". There are 212 comments on the blog so it must have something to do with that large number.

Of course I don't know who will see this if they don't click the newest link lol

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