Wednesday, December 9, 2015

Amanda Blackburn Murder & Pronouns Examined


Question for Analysis: 

Is it possible that the husband of murder victim Amanda Blackburn uses the pronoun "we" because he sees himself as connected to divinity?

Let's examine this. 

The more one speaks, the more sample we have for analysis, and the broader the reference point or "baseline" we have to work with. 

Pronouns are intuitive and are used to solve crimes.  How powerful are pronouns?

When someone goes from "I" to "we" without any contextual justification, it is due to guilt.  This is commonly found in case after case, from murder to theft, and is so common, in fact, that parents and teachers pick it up in children. 

It is done to either hide within a crowd, or spread out the guilt, psychologically, as it lessens the impact of guilt. This guilt is not always the 'conscience' or cognizance of having failed morally, but a negative reaction in some solely wishing not to be caught.  True sociopaths feel this stress or guilt, as it is commonly called, even if they care for no one other than their own selves. 

In the murder of Amanda Blackburn, there is a list of coincidence which investigators say point to this murder being not random nor exclusively a home invasion.  Here is why:

Home invasions are for the purpose of quick profit.  

Investigators say most home invasions target the victim specifically for wealth, especially for cash, as in drug dealers.  Others will grab the most valuable easily carried and pawned items for quick sale.  The younger the invaders, the more unpredictable, including the penchant for violence. However, sexual homicide is not something expected to be seen.  

In this murder, a reporter disclosed "sexual assault" which was later on refuted.  

The removal of the victim's clothing is a sexual assault unless there is another explanation such as "staging", or corpse removal.  Since she was left still alive, corpse removal is not likely.  This leaves sexual assault or appearance (staging) of sexual assault and the journalist was correct, even if no forensic evidence is conclusive.  Was this an intended rape?  Did she fight off the rapist who then shot her?

Yet, even this is strange:  she was shot three times.  

The point of shooting her more than once was to kill her; as a single shot would likely end any fight or struggle, and speaks more to an execution.  

Police had video of the shooter or gang, outside the home, and knew, with "100% accuracy" that the husband, Davey Blackburn, was not the shooter. 

Video tape evidence at the gym showed him there during the time period of which the victim was likely shot.  This was something, while the shooter was not arrested, was stated with emphasis by police:  removing doubt that Blackburn was the shooter, but the investigation had to continue.  They needed to learn:

Why was Amanda Blackburn murdered?  

This would eventually answer more questions, including:  Is the husband responsible for the murder?

This is the question that has been debated greatly in newsgroups.  

Circumstantial:

1.  The husband was obsessed with work.
2.  The wife complained of his obsession with work.
3.  The husband said it was a bad marriage and gave specific sexual complaints against her. 
4.  The husband said the marriage got worse with pregnancy.
5.  Pregnancy demands interfere with work obsession. 
6.  The husband said he had sexual temptation at the gym. 
7.  The wife was shot while he was at the gym. 
8.  The husband brandished a gun at work 2 days prior. 
9.  The wife died from a gun. Criminal psychologists ask "Was this on his mind at the time?"
10. The husband spent one hour, each Tuesday, on the phone with the same person, the day Amanda was killed.  On this day, however, the bulk of the call was in the driveway:  he did not enter the home.  

The wife became pregnant, again, and now is removed from the equation. 

Linguistically, Blackburn uses the language of guilt.  

1.  Distance from the victim 
2.  Subtle disparagement of the victim 
3.  Distance language from family
4.  Distance language from impact 
5.  No linguistic fear of killer 
6.  Pronouns

Pronouns. 

In repeated statements and questions related to the murder of Amanda, Blackburn uses the pronoun "we", rather than "I", even when seated alone. 

When asked about what it felt like, "as a man of God" to be investigated, he said,

"For us, we have nothing to hide."

This begs the question, "who is 'us'?" and "who is 'we'?" by the news broadcaster.  

It was not asked. 

Recently, Blackburn spoke about a direct revelation he had from God.  The analysis of such is found here: Deception Indicated.

To indicate deception in this "revelation" the subject must know and show awareness that he intends to deceive people. 

He began with "I had a thought", which went to "God spoke to my heart", as if an impression, but once qualified, he then gave direct quotes.  This is to claim direct revelation from God, Himself, and then he used this "Divine Authority" or marching orders to not only declare a vision, but to insult an entire church in front of its pastor, his father-in-law:  the victim's father. 

This is to show himself "above", both in authority and in 'relation to God', to the man who may suspect him in dispatching his daughter.  By using the 2 qualifiers, he did what deceptive people do, with rapid transmission:  gave himself an out. 

This is a signal that he is well rehearsed in deception and may be a pathological liar. 

Note the import of the lie:  it made him and his company a historical figure of prominence. 

Now consider that in this short speech, the use of the pronoun "I" was used, and in it, God used his first name, which is given for emphasis.  

He then said that the murder victim died so the church could come to life.  It was a trade in which he used sensitive emphasis, or the need to persuade, that it is something he would not have done. 

Please note:  

To this, he was "alone" in his pronoun use. 

He, alone, spoke to God.
He, alone, will pastor the "army" that will go forth in historical manner. 

When he addresses Amanda's murder, he is "we" and he is "us", who has "nothing to hide."

When a 13 year old boy stands before his junior high school principal and says, "I have nothing to hide" it is a signal to see what's in his locker, on his person, etc.  The crude remark is, "he has a turd in his pocket" when he said that.  

It is a linguistic signal that the subject, at this moment, is thinking of things he does not want known and is concerned about them being found.  We note what topic (context) produces this response.  

When this arises with the plural pronoun, it indicates:

a.  That there is something, or some things, hidden, of which the subject does not want known
b.  That the subject is thinking of this hidden item in correlation with someone else; or
c.  That which is hidden produces guilt of which the guilt is mitigated by a crowd.  

Analysis Question:  Given the 'divine revelation' claim, is it possible that Blackburn sees himself as 'one' with God, or in some strange way, a 'trinity' of sorts, or even of such divine cooperation that he is so close that this would produce the pronoun "we" in his language?


Answer:  No.  This is not supported by the context. 

We look at what produces the pronoun "we" in his language, versus what produces the normal, "I" in his language and we find, consistently, a need to 'go plural' regarding the murder and its impact.  

It is alarming that he has now found a "justification" for the victim's death.  The "murder" (that which he called an 'event'  or 'situation' early on) was something that "baffled the family", but now, not only does he know "why" she died, but her death is 'good' for his career, something he has obsessed about repeatedly. 

Objection:  Maybe the hurt is so bad that he retreats to the plural?

Answer:   The truth is the opposite.  

The murder of a wife is 'up close' and 'personal' and as we are possessive creatures, even against all 'political correctness', husbands and wives claim personal ownership over each other.  The second most 'personal' death would be that of a biological child. 

In language, this is where we hear "I", most often, even when a spouse is seated with other family members.  

The other family members do not have the same close personal connection with the victim as the spouse.  

The same is seen in child deaths.  

In using emotional language in a you tube video, he expressed a stronger emotional pronoun about the failure to obtain numbers for his company, with this "disappointment" connected to reliably with the pronoun "I"; and in context, the negative comparison was with 'souls saved', which revealed priority and obsession. 

In the claim of having a conversation with God, he gives signals of deception which indicates that he knows this is not true, and needs not only to convince the audience, but will have a technical "out" upon being challenged.  "I said it was a 'thought'!"  This is commonly used in deceptive advertising today.  It is sometimes used conversationally in insults where the subject later says, "I was only kidding" having done the damage and communicated the message. 

That the murder victim lost her 'life so the church could live' is not simply of concern to orthodox Christianity which teaches that Christ died to give life, but to criminal investigators as to possible motive. 

Blackburn's use of pronouns, as well as his rapidity of transmission suggests a history of successful deception and may be a pathological liar. 

A motive for possible connection to the shooter, even through various layers and connections to criminal elements, that should be considered is the profit to be gained from her death. 

In his first statement, he used her death for advertising purposes and has consistently done so since.  

Criminal investigators look into any possible planning and preparation, even while looking at the profile of one:

a.  Does he have a history of lying?
b.  Does he have a history of narcissism?
c.  Is there a history of... and it goes on looking into all possibilities leading to,

"Can we locate a connection between the shooter, his gang and any adult, including the husband?" 

The final pronoun objection is this:

The pronoun use of "we" is delusional. 

This is not evidenced in the language.  The delusional will not use qualifiers such as "I had a thought" and "felt like...my heart..."  They do not show, in language, the need to deceive when speaking under clinical delusion.  

The delusional will speak of voices, directly and commands.  In the delusional, it is often difficult to pick up deception. "The angel Gabriel came to me today and said..." was told to me in an interview.  The subject was delusional but the sentence structure shows no intention of deception.  This is where lie detection picks up its signals:  intent to deceive.  

When we commonly speak of 'delusions of grandeur' it is not in the clinical sense of delusion.  It can be a young boy believing against evidence that he will be a professional sports star, or someone who simply has a confidence that he or she is born to greatness yet unfulfilled.  This expression is commonly used to describe extreme ego, but it is not to say that the person is delusional. 

This was seen in the Casey Anthony trial where the women interrupted it and was given a light sentence under the claim of "not knowing what she was doing" because she was off her medication.  

She knew how to get dressed, and knew which streets to navigate to get to the address of the court house.  She knew which courthouse room to enter.  She knew what time it started.  She knew the television cameras were on.  

It showed planning. 

In the murder of Amanda Blackburn, investigators explore any possible planning involved.  

The original question posed about the use of the plural pronoun having connection to 'divine' association is viewed in context which allows the subject to answer the question, himself, via his own language.  

In connection to having a personal conversation with God, he does not retreat to 'we', as he did in questions related to the victim's murder, or its impact upon him, or his son. 

Investigators should be very concerned about his public justification of Amanda's murder. 

While all things eventually come together to produce good is a long term act of faith, which cannot see what possible good can come of something like this, calling the faithful to trust, here we have something investigators must consider as motive: 

that Amanda died so his company would grow. 

Davey Blackburn has not been charged, nor implicated by police as having any connection to the murder of Amanda Blackburn.   Blackburn, himself, has not only advertised the murder for his own profit, but has made all of these statements available to the public for their opinion and judgement to be exercised.  

Although I do not know if he has any indirect association to the murder, I am alarmed by the coincidental nature of the case, the language of guilt, and the justification of her murder, under the veil of religious language.  

In my own work, I recognize that "for us, we have nothing to hide" is not simply the language of guilt, but of something hidden.  That which is hidden may not be association to Amanda's killers.

It is something, but I have yet to conclude what I think it is. 

I am bothered by the new 'motive' and justification for Amanda's death; not because of Christian blasphemy; from a deceptive one deception will come, but because it so quickly turns something so ugly into something 'positive.'

Far too little time has elapsed for such. 

The need to justify is sometimes found in the language of killers.  It is predominantly hidden, or subtle, but it is often there. The one exception I have learned from is Tammy Moorer:  she justified the killing of Heather Elvis openly.  This is the only example I have seen in which, prior to arrest, one has spoken thus.  

This is more the language of one convicted who has exhausted appeals and the truth comes out. 

Every other example I have studied and taught to investigators is subtle, teaching them to look for quiet, small words used to justify the homicide; especially domestic homicides. 

In shaken baby syndrome, the baby is blamed for not 'cooperating'; in child molestation the child 'flirted'; 
In teenagers killed or abused, 'hormones' are cited. 

When one dies, people, especially loved ones, speak only the positive, quickly forgetting the flaws. 

That Amanda was "not well read" (which justifies the humiliation she experienced on video) is a subtle insult of her intellect.  

That the husband is so driven as to even use 'sloganism' in her death is concerning.  

Cold case detectives have to have thick skin.  

By virtue of their work, they 'criticize' the failure of others.  


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Anonymous said...

ooops I see now y'all knew that already, ha ha. sorry.

lynda said...

So DAvey posted this on Twitter back in 2009...discussing his "Hitman" skills. Jeesh

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=516248265220550&set=o.1652577575022706&type=3&theater

Kim said...

Third person charged in burglaries http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/3rd-person-charged-in-burglaries-before-blackburn-murder.

They are obviously continuing to work on this case and for that I am thankful.

Anonymous said...

With all due respect Anon @11:20, I can't see how LE and the prosecutor are going to come up with enough evidence for suspicion, arrest or prosecution when they've already let Davey walk off with all of it. Got a better idea? ABB

Louise K said...

Oh here we go again

ABB while you may be an expert on all things Jesus, you clearly have NO IDEA how LE works

Complicated investigations can take YEARS

Go and watch CSI if you want it all tidily wrapped in an hour

Few people posting here have any idea of the Magnitude of this Investigation

Anonymous said...

Louise K said "Few people posting here have any idea of the Magnitude of this Investigation"

It would be fantastic if we knew for sure that Indy LE is investigating Davey at all ! - even better if this was an investigation with great magnitude. I keep hanging onto the hope that the news outlets *should have* (?) requested the release of 911 tape after this long/one month - but if they won't release calls that are tied to an active investigation - and the 911 call has not been released. . . but three are in custody already . . .

Are they actively investigating Davey and / or others ? ! It truly seems like LE should be onto him, considering all of the surrounding circumstances and their demeanor at the press conference, but it's so hard to wait for something to break. One poster said FBI is involved - is that definite? - for it seems like the FBI wouldn't need to be on this if this was just some random local Indy thugs doing what they do.

flightfulbird

Anonymous said...

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Louise K said...

Flightful

thanks for proving my point

If there's an active investigation Police Don't Announce it

I suggest the evidence shows there is indeed an active investigation

By "evidence" I mean - normally the Media applies for and gets the 911 call

The only exceptions are where the call is Part of an Active Investigation therefore Legally Suppressed

The only reason Davey's 911 call would be legally suppressed = the active investigation is into DAVEY

Look at the other evidence

Davey himself said "i cant wait to speak to you this Sunday" then was removed as Pastor.

It was a Huge Surprise to him.

He also appears to have zero support either on his own webpage DaveyBlackburn.com or within his own Congregation (he has still not addressed them)

He was at a crux in his career - it was Failing and he owed some serious coin

Davey Blackburn is all about the Image

There is nothing beneath but a gaping black hole of ego

Folk sense that

He has NO support. From anyone, it seems. They may be Talking the Talk (PN, PB) but they are not Walking the Walk.

There ARE no passionate supporters speaking out on Db behalf

Not even his own parents

That's Evidence he's being investigated, right there

The Family Silence At What Should Only Be A Tragic Loss<<<

These are folks who Love the Stage yet all we hear is crickets

Alls I wonder is, How Many of Them are Also Being Investigated...? Because you can be sure the Silence is mainly because LE are up their butts and all over them, politely of course, but LE are going through the Family and Congregation like a dose of salts

Cant you smell it...?

Louise K said...

Flightful

If you want to know what LE are doing, ask your local plod

go up to any policeman anywhere in the US and ask them what they think of Davey Blackburn

They will tell you the Same Thing

The same thing we are all saying here

IT STINKS

Anonymous said...

A W E S O M E ! I can't look away from this - neither can so many of us who are constantly watching SA and Justice Seekers Facebook and other discussion boards. I absolutely smell it, so do the rest of us. There are some who are taking up for Davey but they are few and far between.

Yeah, the radio silence from Davey (except for Twitter) is deafening now compared to when the "event" first happened. In the video clip where he was introducing the Levi Lusko video, some said he was scattered and seemed to have been caught off guard. I've watched it a few times and think he definitely could've been asked or advised (or forced?) to step back - maybe because the more he talks, the more he takes the risk of letting something else slip.

His actions absolutely contradict his words, thinking now about his sharing Amanda's private journal in interviews and on Twitter (and continuing to do so) even though he said in so many interviews that she was private, didn't want to be on stage or on display, didn't like it when he read her journal.

Is it definite that news outlets have requested 911 call to be released and been refused? Would they publicize that if they had requested it and been refused - I guess that could compromise the investigation. Can a private citizen request it?

flightfulbird

Juliet said...

I don't know who posted what in regard to the argument over the possibility that Davey had said Amanda had injured or hurt herself. I think it's a reasonable assumption to make even though it is not stated anywhere officially that he did say that. Bear in mind that both Perry Noble and one of Amanda's close friends were under the impression that Amanda had suffered an accident - PN said during Amanda's memorial that he thought Amanda had hit her head on a kitchen cabinet - the friend described what happened to Amanda as 'the accident'. It's on YouTube somewhere, said days after Amanda's death, by which time she knew it was no accident, but obviously wanted to convey that she had been told it was an accident in the first instance. Someone created that impression in the minds of PN and the friend - taken with what seems to be the likelihood that Davey played down Amanda's injuries and did not request the police, it seems reasonable to assume that Davey himself was responsible for creating the impression. Bullet wounds are not always visible, and there is not always a lot of blood, though there would be from a head wound - the blood could make it impossible to see the bullet wound. I think Davey was playing the innocent card, trying to make out he had no idea she had been shot - just a lot of blood, and some terrible freak accident. How anyone could knock out their tooth and then sustain an injury to the back of their head, I don't know - but I think Davey tried to give the impression that, to begin, he didn't even know Amanda had been shot.

She didn't have an enemy in the world - who could have wanted Amanda dead? It's such a conundrum.

Louise K said...

Anyone can request them

Under FoI they are generally released

I do not know the particular laws in Indiana

There could be a FoI standdown period I don't know about

But I find it odd that Davey Blackburn appears to have

1. abandoned his own congregation
2. been abandoned by his own congregation

Because that's what apparently has happened.

Someone's flogging Amandagrace Tshirts on Twitter though - All Proceeds to Davey Blackburn - no mention of Weston who apparently is Not Important in the Slightest to these Freaks

Louise K said...

Juliet

1. paragraphs are your friends

2. Davey was a shooter, had guns in the house, the room would've SMELT of gunpowder...of COURSE he should've realized she'd been shot!!@!!!!

Kate said...

It's a safe bet news outlets have requested the 911 call, they've covered every other angle, including all the fluffers with the neighborhood pieces. A citizen can request a copy of the 911 call through the freedom of information act, but you won't always get it, especially if the case is active and ongoing.

The Indystar.com posted an article about Gordon's arrest. I found this last paragraph very interesting.

"The Blackburns, who moved to Indianapolis from South Carolina two years ago and founded Resonate Church, drew significant interest across the country as Davey Blackburn began speaking out on national media about his wife's death.:

"drew significant interest across the country as Davey Blackburn began speaking out....." Have to wonder if Davey was able to con the locals, but when the country looked in and saw what was going on, that's when all the red flags went up and that's when law enforcement returned back to the home to do a second go through. Is that possible? Law Enforcement wouldn't be that easy to fool, would they?

Kate said...

Also, not saying this to be mean, but Gordon appears to have a slight mental retardation look to him. This may help his defense. Although, at least he avoided dp charges.

rosy said...


"Here is a compilation of state statutes and bills concerning public release of 911 emergency telephone recordings and transcripts."

Indiana
Prosecutor’s offices can withhold recordings under the Access to Public Records Act if it they are involved in a crime investigation.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/911-recordings-transcripts-state-statutes

BB said...

"3rd-man-charged-crime-spree-before-amanda-blackburn-killing" = Very specific headline.

What do you make of the fact that this third dude has been charged with two counts of burglary BEFORE AB's murder, like the two other houses, but not AB's. I guess I should read up on his involvement.

Louise K said...

Ok so the only way they can legally withhold the 911 call is if it is involved in a crime Investigation - as predicted

So - being that the caller was Davey, it stands to reason the Only Reason its being withheld is because

DAVEY is being investigated

the 911 call after the fact has zero relevance to those who are already arrested

There is zero need to withhold it for Investigations into those already arrested

Therefore, I suggest the withholding of the 911 call is Pretty Much Proof that this Investigation is Open, Ongoing, and Active, specifically the Investigation into Davey.

LE weren't talking to a bunch of hood rats when they said "you think youre smart but youre not - we're smarter"



Anonymous said...

Well. You sure as hell don't know Louise @12:33. You live in the UK, isn't that right? Peddle your UK shyt over there, we are HERE in the US of A. You don't know sheep shyt from ShyEnola about our legal system or the magnitude of this investigation or any other investigation in this country. What the hell do you know? YOu all have your own corruption and can't even solve your own problems.

No, I am not an "expert in all things Jesus." I wish I were. I just know who my best friend is and I don't appreciate your snide remarks pertaining to my dearest and best friend. Would you?

Stopping by just to stir up some more of your 'know it all' shyt? Please, go find someone whose a little closer to your own size. It ain't me babe. I really don't appreciate your constant nasty barbs and digs at me. PLEASE leave me alone. ABB

rosy said...

Louise K said...
at 2:24 PM
Ok so the only way they can legally withhold the 911 call is if it is involved in a crime Investigation - as predicted
So - being that the caller was Davey, it stands to reason the Only Reason its being withheld is because
DAVEY is being investigated
==========

My impression is that no local media have asked for the 911 call under FOIA or Indiana Access to Public Records Act. Why not? because local media accept LE statement that Davey Blackburn is not a suspect.

Louise K said...

No Rosy

Local media have been ASKED to be silent and they seem to be respecting that

signifies a good Police/media relationship NOT failure to suspect

Blind Freddy suspects DB!

Louise K said...

We've had some doozies of Investigations where I live; I have worked for and alongside police so know the Inside stuff

There have been years long investigations run without a word leaked to the press

Or, if the press does suspect, they don't print when requested by LE

See: Zodiac - a fair bit was held back by the media DESPITE the fact he was directly communicating with them - the media cooperated with Police - all his letters went straight to Police instead of being printed

Anonymous said...

Beg your pardon; but if you don't think he has any supporters, just inquire about his finances, how he paid $50T cash for a new SUV, how he's living, where is he living without working? Where is he stashing all the paypal money?

If anybody at all is supporting him (and they are!) it would be all those big fat church donations he's got coming in 24/7. THREE big churches are not raking in donations for him? You say that's not support? Are you crazy? Money talks loudest.

Local cops already blew it. IFF anybody investigates him it will be insurance company investigators when he applies for a big fat life insurance policy payout; IF he had one on Amanda's life. Insurance company investigators are FAR more knowledgeable and experienced than LE investigators, considering they earn much bigger salaries than LE investigators do or ever will. IMO, if there's any hope at all in nailing Davey Blackburn it will be these guys before they hand him a big fat life insurance benefit check; that is, if they haven't already done it. ABB

Louise K said...

3 churches out of approximately HOW MANY in Indiana?

3 out of hundreds?

that's not Support sorry

take a look at Daveyblackburn.com - ZERO comments

HE HAS NO FOLLOWERS

He may be raking in donations but most of those will be because of WESTON not Davey

Louise K said...

Oh and...

if DB DID go out and buy a 50k car (proof? link? or just gossip) then that is ENTIRELY what I would expect from this man who thinks of nothing but himself and his image.

He has a son who needs a college fund

Irrelevant to King Davey

Kate said...

Davey may not have had supporters, but both father's did and they made this story worldwide, working on the Christian's and racists to donate. Racists because this case has really drawn out the racists and Christian's because they are under attack. I believe the paypal account I saw was up for two days and had received $4,360 before it shut down. He was making bank, it was the perfect story and he knew it. I bet that laptop of his will never be found because that laptop was KEY in what Davey was up to the past year or so. He didn't get home until 10:00 at night? What the hell was he doing all day? From all the research I've done, his office seemed to be the local Starbucks and he spent A LOT of time away from his home, doing exactly what?

Idle hands are the devil's workshop.

Anonymous said...

Louise at 2:24
You continue to misquote what was said at the presser.
"You're not as good as you think you are.>>"
They did not say "smart" and many have corrected you on this.

Louise K said...

anonymous 3.00pm

I usually put (pp)

this time I did not

its utterly irrelevant anyway

Its clear (to me at least) they were NOT referring to a bunch of hood rats they already had in custody.

Louise K said...

"You are not as good as you think you are"<<<<<speaking specifically to ONE person, no?

Yet a team was arrested

So WHO is this One Person who is Not As Good As they Think They Are then....?

Good/smart <<<<picking on this detail is just that, picking

The meaning and intent of the statement is The Same.

Louise K said...

For all the LE Don't Have a Clue Crew -

WHEN did we the public hear about Amber Frey, key component in the Laci Peterson case?

Did we hear about her DURING the undercover op?

Of course not!

We heard about her AFTERWARDS!!!!

Kate said...

Louise, good point. I can't remember, was it Amber who went to cops or cops went to Amber?

Anonymous said...

She lives in the UK, once held some kind of job across the pond in some police dept and thinks she's got the skinny on everything legal. NOT.

Kate, he wasn't working all those hours. Working, doing what? He didn't come home until 10:00 or after at night because he's a player. And THAT could go either way. Sicko, perverted SOB. Poor Amanda was the one scrimping along at home, making do however she could while worrying her brains out, and this b'stard was out blowing dribs and drabs of pocket-money however he saw fit. The gig was just about up, only she didn't know it. Poor girl. ABB

Louise K said...

iirc Amber approached Police

rosy said...

Louise K said...
No Rosy
Local media have been ASKED to be silent and they seem to be respecting that
signifies a good Police/media relationship NOT failure to suspect
Blind Freddy suspects DB!
December 14, 2015 at 2:47 PM
================

Louise K, you have evidence for this? A credible shred? From your inside sources in Hoosier land?

Anonymous said...

If either one of the two families had any gumption, or even common sense, either Amanda's parents or Davy's; they would be hiring an attorney and a private investigator and DEMANDING that Davey be investigated AND considered a person of interest WHILE he is investigated.

They are allowing him to run around with their grandbaby in tow, whose welfare he is totally incapable of caring about, while possibly being at the violent hands of his mother's killer. Something is wrong with these people. ALL of them. ABB

Anonymous said...

Don't be fooled. She doesn't have any evidence about anything. She just speaks authoritatively as if she thinks she does and wants you to believe she does. Where's her proof? Where's her law degree, what board exam did she pass, where's her law license filed with what bar association in what state(s) in the US of A? "A little knowledge can be dangerous in the wrong hands." And so it goes. ABB

Anonymous said...

Four months to snag Scott Peterson - and Mark Sievers in Florida is STILL walking around free even with a ton of incriminating evidence showing that he masterminded and enabled the killing of his wife with a hammer. . . and she was killed six months ago, at the end of June.

And, Florida LE has kept things very close and quiet for these six months - every so often a bit of information would come out - but even after two arrests several months ago, they never directly said who specifically they were after - just that the investigation was active and continuing and that certain people were "in the envelope of suspicion".

It would be very nice if we could get some type of confirmation from FBI or Indy Metro Police that they are still investigating the involvement of multiple other people, not just Davey. As it is now, I am/we are speculating and hoping that they are still investigating because 911 call hasn't been released - from the statements LE made at press conference - and from Peter's SA of a group of detectives saying nobody is that lucky (which was a great writeup and definitely comforting to know that seasoned detectives were saying that about this case even that long ago).

flightfulbird

Anonymous said...

Yes, 'only' three churches, lucrative ones however, with one of those having memberships into the thousands that brought to this preacher #34M annually. THAT takes a lot of members.

Then there was Davey's piddling little group, reputed to be 120 members, who also would have created some donations. BUT the big deal is that the THREE mainline churches would have contacted every other church in the united states who was under their same denomination, pleading the sob story for MORE big money for the poor widowed Davey and his orphaned baby.

Now THAT can total into a lotta lotta donations, many still pouring in. The slimy little b'stard's not broke by any means. He can actually afford starbucks now. ABB

Anonymous said...

Peter has said that if he is involved with a case, he won't write about it (or maybe even post about it?) The last writeup about this case was December 9th (Pronouns). Dare to think maybe he is working with investigators now (! ! !). . .

It would be really interesting to see statement analysis of the video from Sunday a week ago where Davey was sitting at a table speaking to his church - saying he wouldn't be with them that day, that he loved them very very very much and introducing Levi Lusko's video. This is the video in which Davey said, among other things, that God had used it to prepare his heart LEADING UP TO Amanda's death. . . and then seemed to realize what he had said and said God had used it to comfort his heart in all of this process. . .

I think I saw a transcription of this on one of the pages here- does anyone have it bookmarked or know where to find it easily? Thanks if so.

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

Frame DB within what we know about him.

One thing we can ALL agree on, is his enthusiasm for Leading his Flock.

He hasn't spoken to them since 9 November.

His flock are Untended.

This speaks VOLUMES

The result DB predicted was that Amanda's dry bones would form a Massive Revival of Resonate; No doubt with DB at the helm; a Spectacular Fail wouldn't you say?

If things were Hunky Dory in Resonate Land, DB would be having Prayer Meetings for @Amandagrace every frikkn night complete with gun waving and journal dumping.

Its not working out the way he planned now is it?

Now the Q here is

is it Not Working because

a. DB has Support or

b. DB has little to zero Support and dwindling daily

?

Kate said...

DB has support and will continue to have support. Just a few days ago he received word on his VIP cub tix. I am surprised they didn't ask him to throw out the first pitch. It will continue, Ryan McConnell and company will see to just that.

Anonymous said...

Flighfulbird, I actually thought they'd done a pretty good job so far in nailing Mark Seivers as a suspect even if he hasn't yet been apprehended, better than usual IMO.

I knew that creep was guilty the first time I saw him on news media, the day his doctor wife was found murdered as it made no sense that he was delaying his vacation a little longer to stay up there with the (her!) kids, with his wife lying murdered (their mother!) beaten to death with a hammer; the icing on the cake was when he didn't fly down here after she was found, like her life and death didn't even matter. A dead give away that he did not care a damn for her, not even in death. Now THAT takes one plotting scheming dirty low-life. 'ON VACATION'! ABB

Al said...

OT DeOrr Kunz's 911 has not been released. Is it possible that he is under investigation?

Louise K said...

See: little to zero support dwindling daily.

Scott Peterson had support in the beginning

Still does in some quarters

Louise K said...

Vision: Amanda's death breathing life into Resonate Indy, DB at the Helm

Reality: hasn't addressed Flock since 9 November 2015; REPLACED

Anonymous said...

The only 'support' Davey needs is the money coming in and he's got that now, and plenty of it. THIS is what it was always about. Always. ABB

Louise K said...

Yes Al.

As a missing child the Parents will be the Main Focus until proven innocent

Louise K said...

PMSL @ INSISTING DB is supported by his Flock when they REPLACED HIM

carry on

Anonymous said...

This is a whole different ballgame. Scott Peterson was no fake preacher under the leadership of another big money maker fake preacher with tons of donations pouring into his lap coming from all over the country.

Scott Peterson was a little fertilizer salesman from a slightly upper-middle-class family who doled out everything they had and could rake and scrape together to pay his pricey lawyer Mark Geragous (sp) who deposited it all to his bank and still lost the case. Last I heard, Scott couldn't even afford to pay for his appeals. I never heard about any donation funds being set up anyhow to fund Scott Peterson's lifestyle. Not once. ABB

Anonymous said...

Sorry flightful bird; I do not have the transcript you are looking for. I do not save transcripts or any of these types of videos and tapes as I need all the space I have for other files. IF you click back to another article, say at least to 11/9, you may be able to find it under someone elses post. Good luck. ABB

Anonymous said...

Louise K
Where did you learn that DB had been replaced at Resonate?
It's a long leap from having stand-ins to saying he has been replaced.
When people come to the SA site for the first time (and there are lots of them now), we don't want them to read made-up tales, do we? It could perhaps shake their confidence in SA before they get a chance to learn.

Anonymous said...

Anon @4:20; I realize you aren't speaking to me, but I will answer my own opinion and state that I have never seen it announced that Davey Blackburn has either been replaced or has stepped down from his lead pastor role at Resonate/Indy. It may well turn out to be true, but as far as I can see at this point it is just an assumption based on how it appears to look. ABB

Louise K said...

Davey's own tweet (pp) "i cant wait to see you all Sunday, No one can do this life alone"

then Sunday, he was replaced

this is not a tale

it is a Fact.

Anonymous said...

Louise there is no proof he was "replaced". This is just a theory but the middle school turned charges to the prosecutor office right after that Sunday. Makes me wonder if he was given a legal order to stay off of school property with the gun charges.

Also, does anyone know that status of New Springs with Resonste? They supported them the first year to get them up and running but does anyone have control now over what the church does?

Suzanne said...

http://www.christianpost.com/news/pastor-davey-blackburn-dead-wife-journal-entries-152488/

I just found this. Looks like CD's twitter followers are getting a bit tired of him posting Amanada's journal entries....

Anonymous said...

Louise K at 4:41
We have all chatted here, assuming and hoping DB was permanently replaced but we don't actually know that.
We only know he had a stand-in.
It's not hard to just wait and have that confirmed rather than let new SA visitors think we lie.

Anonymous said...

IIFC, Amber Frye having heard about her new boyfriend's wife Lacy being nearly 9 mos pregnant and missing on Christmas Eve, and her not knowing he had one, got scared and worried shytless about what to do so she kept quiet with Scott that she knew he had a wife who was missing, and went to Gloria Alred and together she and Gloria went to police to tell what Amber knew, which wasn't anything other than her affair with Scott Peterson. Then she allowed herself to be taped, played it cool with Scott during his calls to her, and he trapped himself. Of course, the plot thickens but that's pretty much it in a nutshell. ABB

Anonymous said...

So if the 911 call does reveal that he didn't request the police because he thought she had fallen. Did he think this fall somehow heisted her shirt up and knocked her panties completely off? Let's see, maybe he thought this was an act of god, maybe a small tornado blew the unlocked door open, tore her clothes off, and threw her to the floor. Maybe he thought her wounds were a result of flying debri.

Whatever the situation was with the 911 call, it resulted in LE being delayed and arriving just as Amanda was being loaded into the unit. I'm sure LE would have asked DB to stay in order to answer some questions. I also can't see the EMS crew being comfortable with him leaving with them because at that point they would have had no idea if he was actually the perpetrator with a concealed weapon. I believe they would have strongly encouraged him to stay by telling him there was really nothing he could do at the hosp and that it would be more helpful for him to stay and work with LE.

Aparently, he did leave the scene because the PC says they had to go to the hosp to interview him.

I would be willing to bet that his decision to leave would have created some degree of conflict/confrontation at the scene. At the very least, I think he would have had to agree to allow them to frisk him before he could leave.



KK

rosy said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
December 14, 2015 at 4:56 PM

does anyone know that status of New Springs with Resonste?

His latest stand-in was another hustler from NewSpring, Brad Cooper.

daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn

I'm so grateful for my friend, @BCooP, and the Word he brought to our @resonateindy family today!

[ BCoop ] ‏@BCooP 21h21 hours ago [ BCoop ] Retweeted daveyblackburn

It was my joy!

Anonymous said...

About the T-shirts... I was looking at one of the Resonate instagram pics, and both her and her husband were wearing the indy with heart shirts, a few months ago, sans AGB initials. So my question is, were these really even her design, or just another way to "'capitalize" her murder?

Louise K said...

I'd also like to say re LE:

Just because the Detectives have it now

Doesn't mean it wasn't screwed up by the First Responders

Davey boy may well have worked the old Magic

Depending on how experienced the first responders were = how well he could charm them.

Detectives = no chance

New beat cop = every chance

Sad but true. It would account for the carpet cleaning.

Anonymous said...

Amber Frey (sp?) had a friend who was a local cop (Fresno?). She had some suspicions about Scott Peterson lying to her about his travel plans so she asked her friend to check him out, suspecting he had another girlfriend or a wife. The friend called and told her to phone the Modesto PD. That's how it started to cave in on the creep.

Let us hope someone in Davey's life does the same!

Anonymous said...

ABB said
"Flighfulbird, I actually thought they'd done a pretty good job so far in nailing Mark Seivers as a suspect even if he hasn't yet been apprehended, better than usual IMO. "

Oh I totally concur ABB, no question they have done a fantastic job ! It's just a matter of time until they scoop him up. I imagine the reason they've not arrested Mark Sievers yet is because they are making sure their case is airtight. They are following him (keeping tabs on him) and from what I can tell from reading Websleuths, it could happen at any time.

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

I love how the Tshirt proceeds go "100% to Davey Blackburn" like Weston doesn't exist...

Am I thinking DB himself is behind the Tshirt flog?

Yep.

He's got nothing else to do these days

Anonymous said...

Anon at 5:06
Somewhere the message about the t-shirts claims that Amanda helped design them and they added her initials after her death.

Anonymous said...

My comment about Mark Sievers still walking around in spite of the evidence was because Teresa Sievers was killed six months ago and the case still isn't built up enough for LE to snag him ! - trying to console myself that this same thing might be happening to Davey Blackburn in this case !

flightfulbird

Anonymous said...

The guy doing the t-shirts is a cousin who quickly made t-shirts so they could sell them at Amanda's funeral.
(Capitalizing!)
This latest batch are not going into production until all the orders are in. They're cheaper that way. More profit.

Louise K said...

The point about Scott Peterson is - he looked guilty, he sounded guilty, he was guilty, but they could only actually prove it once Amber Frey came along.

Also - None of us knew jack about AF until SP was arrested! Police don't tell the public when they're actively investigating especially if Informants are involved! Its insane to even expect them to!

The Big Mistake DB made, apart from not being able to shut up, is Involve People.

If what we all suspect is correct he has Way too many cooks in the pie.

Yet another huge mistake...but it also makes Investigation More Complex, simply by virtue there are More Players.

God Alone knows how far this conspiracy goes

It looks to me as though Pastor Kenneth at least has given false alibi, and Pastor Byers is just a big fat ?????? in my head

This is looking quite big and quite ugly therefore complex = takes time.

Louise K said...

Selling T shirts at a funeral

im not even going to ask if youre joking

the chill down my spine says it all

Kate said...

No comment from Davey yet on the third arrest?

Anonymous said...

You're right flightfulbird, and I agree. WE all know he did it (or had it done), and LE knows it, the killer has already confessed his conneciton to the murder, so WHY is Mark still walking around eating and sleeping as he pleases? I don't get it either. Why wouldn't LE already have their evidence line up?

You're right too Anon @5:10, I knew that a friend of Amber's who had some LE connection was involved in contacting Amber, I just thought I'd cut some lengthy details and get to the end result. But thanks for being more specific.

ABB

Kate said...

Early on, law enforcement didn't want to release any surveillance pictures, stating they wanted to issue a good shot so they weren't overwhelmed with calls and false tips. When law enforcement finally releases two pictures of the "suspect", we get a back shot and a very grainy picture, so bad you can't even tell if it's man/woman, black/white/hispanic/asian etc.

How much sense did it make to release that picture? What was the point? Law enforcement bragged about knowing who it was because they "have a picture, just not a name". They sent some of the tapes in for enhancement, but only released that distorted shot.

I think the surveillance tapes are going to be very revealing.

Anonymous said...

LE would have proved Scott Peterson's guilt anyway without Amber Frye once the two bodies washed ashore, which they did. Amber's help in revealing his deceit and treacherousness only helped to expose his deceit and convict him sooner. However, IMO, he would have been convicted even if there had been no Amber. She just made it easier, that's all. ABB

Louise K said...

Its complex.

It will take a while.

Some of the DNA results are expected to take weeks.

If they're waiting for touch DNA on the underwear, and someone's already tied themselves in to a story of Not Having Sex That Evening/Morning, someone will have some explainin to do

Also there's a tiny thing called

Enough Rope

LE can and do let these freaks hang themselves, publicly, first, while they take their sweet time organizing a tight case.

We see it over, and over again

Drew Peterson another example

Give him enough rope - by the time Peterson got to the jury they wouldn't trust him to walk their dog

Case Closed.

Anonymous said...

ABB said
"Flighfulbird, I actually thought they'd done a pretty good job so far in nailing Mark Seivers as a suspect even if he hasn't yet been apprehended, better than usual IMO. "

Flightfulbird said
"Oh I totally concur ABB, no question they have done a fantastic job ! It's just a matter of time until they scoop him up. I imagine the reason they've not arrested Mark Sievers yet is because they are making sure their case is airtight. They are following him (keeping tabs on him) and from what I can tell from reading Websleuths, it could happen at any time."

Flightfulbird said
"My comment about Mark Sievers still walking around in spite of the evidence was because Teresa Sievers was killed six months ago and the case still isn't built up enough for LE to snag him ! - trying to console myself that this same thing might be happening to Davey Blackburn in this case !"

Louise K said
"The point about Scott Peterson is - he looked guilty, he sounded guilty, he was guilty, but they could only actually prove it once Amber Frey came along.

Also - None of us knew jack about AF until SP was arrested! Police don't tell the public when they're actively investigating especially if Informants are involved! Its insane to even expect them to!"


So do you guys think this is what's happening with this case ? Quiet investigation, unraveling the threads, waiting for someone to come forward or say something that will make Davey's and/or other individuals' involvement obvious?

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

PMSL on twitter -





Breaking Sydney News ‏@iSydneyNews · 1h1 hour ago
Twitter Users Tell Pastor Davey Blackburn to Stop Posting Dead Wife's Journal Entries http://bit.ly/222GsuR #Sydney #News #Aus

Anonymous said...

(Bull)s/#t's insta is @big_to6 only with a z instead of a t. I'm being cryptic in case he's smart enough(I really don't think so) to google his name or profile name and see it listed on this site and decide to go private.

For anyone who's wondering how stupid these guys really are, you need to watch the video he posted of him and DG. It's about 1/2 way down and they're in white T shirts.


KK

Anonymous said...

It's been awhile and my memory in chronological order may not be entirely correct; but it seems to me that it was Gloria Alred who first contacted media and through a presser she gave, she is the one who first announced Amber Frye's involvement with Scott Peterson BEFORE LE made the arrest of Scott. I don't think it was LE who made the first announcement of Amber's involvement with Scott. I recall that it set the media all in a flutter with dozens of questions being asked of Gloria. ABB

Louise K said...

flightfulbird

yes that's exactly what I think

Theres comparisons all over the media

Drew Peterson Scott Peterson Michael Peterson (there's a lesson in there somewhere ladies) Mark Sievers OJ, Chris Coleman, Raven Abaroa, Tyler Deaton I can go on, and on, and on....

Blindingly obvious to everyone but the Perp himself who thinks he's the smartest in the room

LE just sit back and let them go

The more media they do the more rope to hang them on

Leakages everywhere

Peter could well be working on this case now - who knows

Or maybe its just that lull before the storm in Every Big Story - Josh Powell comes to mind

All the Believers defending the creepster while the rest of us are all "wtf"

I would wager that at nearly 900 comments, we are not alone

Concerned said...

Anon at 5:38
That's exactly what I think.
As Peter and the other investigators have said, "Nobody is this lucky!"

We're not smarter than the Indy police.
They know DB is involved but they can't string him up based on heavy suspicion (much as we might-possibly-sort-of like it!)
They also have to know the eyes of many are upon them and they need to have every detail nailed down.

One morning we'll awaken, fire up our laptops and there will be ole Davey perp-walking in a tight shirt. PN will be nowhere in sight. That neighborhood watchman will be scrambling for another interview. Meg will be weeping.
Peter will be type-type-typing!!

Anonymous said...

Peter has been quiet . . . ! here's hoping LE has him in on this now (finally).

flightfulbird

Concerned said...

Imagine the ministry Davey could have in jail with all those trapped people unable to leave!

Anonymous said...

Sometimes you just have to laugh.
So Alonzo has 2 sons apart from the one with Donae Mitchell?
And that Baby-Mama wants them to go visit Daddy?
I don't know. I'm asking.

Nesha Badd‎ to Alonzo Duguoise Bull
December 10 at 8:41pm ·
FIND DESE KIDS A RIDE TO YO HOUSE !!! Like ASAP !! LBS

rosy said...

The claim is, Amanda Blackburn helped create or "come up with" the heart T-shirt for the #FORINDY campaign. Quote:

"In 2014, Resonate launched the #FORINDY campaign. Simply put, we want our city to know that Jesus is FOR them and wants the best for them. In 2015, as a part of that campaign, Amanda helped come up with the design for a #FORINDY T-shirt. We are proud to be able to offer a special variant of that shirt with Amanda's initials on the front design."

In actuality, the #FORINDY heart T is an adaptation of existing designs, called the Heart Indiana T-shirt, sold online since 2013 at Cafe Press with this semi-literate claim:
Design Name: Heart Indiana state silhouette
Description: Indiana of the United States of America.... This Indiana heart state map silhouette design are gifts for those in the Indianapolis, Fort Wayne, Evansville, Bloomington.
Created on July 22, 2013 at 10:48 AM

Heart designs for all the US states are offered on a range of touristy objects (mugs, magnets,etc).
http://www.cafepress.com/mf/79971461/heart-indiana_tshirt?productId=888167888

I would say Resonate Church's claim that Amanda "helped come up with" this design is mostly false. The most she would have done is pick out the existing design online or in a catalog and tweak it. Resonate's T-shirt differs in color (grey and white) from the ones at Cafe Press; and the map and heart are slightly bigger. Resonate has #FORINDY printed on the back. Companies in China do this tweaking (Resonate's T-shirt is imported). Compare the US made gray and white "TheHomeT" at Etsy for Multiple Sclerosis with state outline and the word "Home" in place of a heart.

rosy said...

Anonymous said...
The guy doing the t-shirts is a cousin who quickly made t-shirts so they could sell them at Amanda's funeral.
(Capitalizing!)
This latest batch are not going into production until all the orders are in. They're cheaper that way. More profit.
December 14, 2015 at 5:13 PM
==============

It's like kiting. The web site, FABRIC'D, takes in money from credit card or PayPal, for item, shipping and taxes (per T-shirt, total $24.40). Proviso: "Orders will not ship until end of campaign!" As of now, Campaign Ends in 2 days and a few minutes. This means they've been holding cash in hand since day one. I guess FABRIC'D (CEO Benjamin Foley) gets the profit.

Louise K said...

OMG

they'll be having a 2 for 1 sale next

Anonymous said...

OT: for those of you who transcribe, do you have special equipment, pike something with a foot pedal? I have a 911 call (not this case!) which I really want Peter to analyze. Its a 3 year old murder case of a college student. I figured that I would have a better chance of him accepting it for analysis if it was transcribed for him in advance. Advice welcome. I have never xscribed anything before.

You can call me "cookie" :)

Bobcat said...

From 11:28 am:

"So DAvey posted this on Twitter back in 2009...discussing his "Hitman" skills. Jeesh

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=516248265220550&set=o.1652577575022706&type=3&theater"

Can someone help me figure this out? The tweet:
"So @daveyblackburn may have to fly to Kenya with his hitman skills and take care of business; namely @lesliemahaffey & @tifftucker" posted 6/11/09 1:13PM

What I've found:
The 2009 major league baseball draft ended 6/11/2009. Davey has good batting "hitman" skills.

Who are @lesliemahaffey and @tifftucker?
What was happening in Kenyan baseball in 2009?

I'd like to rule out this comment as yet another disturbing post from the past.



Bobcat said...

Cookie,

I don't have any special transcription equipment, though it does come in handy! If the recording isn't too long, it just takes good listening/typing skills, patience and determination to get it right (and rewind as often as needed to do so!).

rosy said...

On (Bull)s/#t's insta is @big_to6 only with a z instead of a t

you can see him walking and talking with the guy arrested today (teeth and tear drop tats) on November 5

rosy said...

the guy *charged* today

Anonymous said...

I asked Indianapolis police about why the 911 call has not been made public . This is their exact words , via email .

"As the case progresses this particular item is considered a part of the evidence needed for prosecutors to present their case.Currently the rules of evidentiary procedure prevent the Marion County Prosecutor's Office ( MCPO) from releasing anything that is not already in the public domain, such as the probable cause affidavit.Evidence is not under the authority of the police department, it has since shifted to the MCPO. After the conclusion the 911 tapes could be released ."

Louise K said...

"this particular item is considered a part of the evidence needed for prosecutors to present their case"

...and why would that be...

Being that the call wasn't about any of the offenders, at all

Being that the call framed Amanda's injury as just that - an injury, nothing more

So why is the call part of the Prosecutions evidence folks...

............

rosy said...

Bobcat said...
at 6:58 PM
tifftucker (a woman) worked for NewSpring, it appears in the kids department:

"I'm so thankful for the thousands of kids/volunteers who've been impacted by @tifftucker's love and leadership @kidspring over the years!"

Looks like se resigned(?) (or quit Twitter, or relocated to Paris?) this summer. DB tweeted, don't:

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn Jun 17 @MegsGriff @catpow3 @amy_triplett @lindsay__nicole @nickmauney @BenWillis @tifftucker please don't

See tributes here:

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40tifftucker&src=typd

Bobcat said...

Anon 7:11

Wonderful news!

Well, terrible, really, but good to hear that the call is needed by the prosecuters. YES!!!!

Bobcat said...

Thanks rosy. I'll disregard the post.
I'm happy to hear LE is keeping the 911 call for the prosecution and will be content to wait this out. There is nothing I can do for Weston by neglecting my own responsibilities to post here.

GeekRad said...

I am with you flightfulbird. I hope they finally hired Peter. I would hire Peter, and that also means you insightful posters, if this tragedy occurred in my life. Sadly, every one connected to Davey appears to have drunk the Koolaid. I hope it is just appears and they are pushing LE to look at Davey. In my gut I think they are in the drink the Kollaid category. Right, it was God's will that 5 and 6 year olds were murdered in Connecticut and God's will that Amanda gave her life for the crazy church. Yeah, drink more koolaid. And don't for God's sake look at the facts. Facts can be so scary.I am so sick of his press being about the grieving Pastor.

Juliet said...

Cookie - I don't have any special equipment. I like to listen on my tablet and to transcribe on my laptop - that way it's easy to stop and start the videos. A phone and laptop/tablet can work, too, but it gets a bit fiddly. Sometimes I transcribe longhand, just because I like to write with a pen, which is a novelty theses days, and it takes more checking as you're doing it twice, so fewer mistakes. I listen with headphones, the best to hand - the sound is much clearer than without.

You might like to listen through the recording before you begin - if it's long, I tend not to, but it does help, if you have the time. Don't fill in any gaps with guesses - check your spelling, and that's about it. :)

Concerned said...

If it's not released to the public, would the prosecution not have to let the defense attorneys listen to the 911 tape until some point closer to the trial?
Maybe it (as I suspect) makes DB sound so guilty it would help make the case that he killed Amanda.
Therefore, the prosecution would want to delay release as long as possible, right?
(See what watching too much Law & Order does to your brain?! I think way too much about this stuff!!)

Juliet said...

Louise - as some of us said probably weeks ago, they won't release a 911 call if it's going to be presented as evidence at trial.

See: flogging dead horses (in double spacing).

Louise K said...

Juliet:

missing the Point again

The Point being that the 911 is NOT required for the trial of the current arrestees.

It is utterly irrelevant to the Current Arrestees.

The only reason its been withheld is it is relevant to a FUTURE ARRESTEE.

No prizes for guessing who that is

Anonymous said...

What Juliet said! @ 7:34

Juliet said...

i'm not missing the point, Louise - it's obvious that releasing the 911 call would compromise a trial involving Davey, therefore it it is not being released, as has been the case since day one of the investigation.

Louise K said...

So you came on to Agree with me.

Good.

Please remember with all the Anonymous crap around here, when folks reask a question, someone will reanswer it.

Sorry if that offends

Al said...

Dear Rawlings,

Please find enclosed a couple of hand written pages of my murdered wife's personal journal. She was shot in the head so that God's bride could come alive. (God explained it to me, while I was in the shower). Anyhoo, I hope you enjoy the story about me getting a Rawlings bat for Christmas, and beating all the other boys in hitting baseballs. Did you know I am going to be a VIP at some Cubs games?

I love you very,very very much, nothing is wasted, the best is yet to come

Davey

PS could you send me some free Rawlings stuff to help me figure out how to grieve?

Louise K said...

PMSL

its almost Sick

Like watching Josh Powell

Amanda's journals minister to my heart so much - even though she hated me reading them - imma share a precious piece she wrote about ME!

rosy said...

Bobcat said...
at 6:58 PM
Who are @lesliemahaffey and @tifftucker?

looks like @lesliemahaffey married Michael Beach of SC and is now Leslie Beach ‏@mrsbeach7 Nov 11
For you @amandagrace. I may not have gotten enough years with you but you were one of the best… https://instagram.com/p/99RNW1plCQ/

Possibly the much loved NewSpring kids woman @tifftucker also married. Her name remains in other people's Twitter posts but is no longer actively linked.

At any rate, the tweet about DB, baseball hitting, these 2 NS staff and Kenya was probably a NewSpring joke.

rosy said...

Bobcat said....
at 6:58

.... Kenya
================
Perry Noble

Kenya is the heart of NewSpring's vision for world missions
https://www.facebook.com/newspring/videos/69260882

Anonymous said...

Yeah there's really no reason the 911 tape would be needed for the prosecution for these currently charged individuals - or no reason for it to be kept private anyway.

Oh PLEASE give us a trial involving Davey - I would be ok with NEVER hearing the 911 call if it truly does incriminate him and the detectives can charge him with plotting to have Amanda executed (or doing it himself) and make it stick.

small voice. . . it HAS to be him rambling on and on, omitting extremely important details that would've allowed police to be called as well as medical, something in his tone of voice, being evasive, whatever. . . here's hoping the tape is clear cut and then all of the videos and tweets and posts that happened before and after "the event" will (already do, actually) support foreknowledge and no grief in the least.

flightfulbird

Carnival Barker said...


I had a thought today about DB's near misses and how close he came to running into the thugs. So I was wondering...if you are already on your cell and your call waiting beeps through but you don't answer it and the caller hangs up before voicemail picks up, does the call still ping the towers? Or do you have to answer for it to register and be traceable on your and/or their cell records?

If the call only registers when picked up, that could explain DB's super long phone call with KW. He could have been on the phone all that time waiting for his call waiting to kick in as a signal that the job was done, and it would also explain that extended time in the driveway. If he knew she was shot, he was going to stall as long as he could before discovering her.

He also went inside within minutes of the neighbor's 911 call, so I'm wondering if some sirens in the distance are what compelled him to finally go into the house.

Anonymous said...

ooooh Carnival Barker - he totally could've been waiting for a call. He also had to wait (in theory) for the neighbor to come home and discover the breakin and call 911 - then he could go inside. The timing of those two calls so close together is suspect for sure.

I might be unclear on this, but that could be the five calls from the phone inside the house to a certain number !

flightfulbird

Bobcat said...

I'm researching "tree trunks" and "apples" via ancestry.com.

Question: Would anyone be able to find out the cause of death of a Dr. Della Ann Blackburn (nee Norman) in Azusa, California 26 Mar 1990. Or an obituary in the local papers? I'm curious if the death was natural... or newsworthy.

M said...

I'm not sure I believe Anon @ 7:11.

Anonymous said...

Here is link to the statement made ! ! It's actually on the Marion County Prosecutor's website, attributed to Prosecutor Terry Curry -

http://content.delivra.indy.gov/vo/?FileID=60314e96-0f8a-4dd7-8921-7b14bdbdeb76&m=cd5778a4-b3cb-45fa-ae98-62ee7b609d84&MailID=31119960&listid=81236

Two things I took away from this - first of all, should we be bending Prosecutor Terry Curry's ear about our thoughts about Davey's involvement - making sure he knows of this Statement Analysis site and all of the writeups and comments - - and secondly, he notes at the end of the paragraph that "there is residential surveillance video from the morning of Mrs. Blackburn's murder".

So the grainy image that was released is really nothing, if they have video from several different sources. I am assuming on this, but I read somewhere that more than one of the neighbors have surveillance cameras and if LE could snag video from all of them around the time of the breakins and murder, that would be major.

I am curious if that statement was made to make *someone* wonder what video they have in their possession, from where it was shot and what it might reveal ?

flightfulbird

rosy said...

Bobcat said...

at 9:30
================
not an obit but
1987 Della Blackburn, RN, PhD, was appointed dean of the School of Nursing.
http://www.apu.edu/nursing/about/timeline/

Anonymous said...

and this is copied/pasted from Facebook on the Justice Seekers page, regarding the statement about the 911 call - note the first comment - -

"Copied and pasted from Peter Hyatt's blog, with thanks.

A poster called the IMPD and why the 911 hasn't been made public. There exact response:

"As the case progresses this particular item is considered a part of the evidence needed for prosecutors to present their case.Currently the rules of evidentiary procedure prevent the Marion County Prosecutor's Office ( MCPO) from releasing anything that is not already in the public domain, such as the probable cause affidavit.Evidence is not under the authority of the police department, it has since shifted to the MCPO. After the conclusion the 911 tapes could be released ."

comments follow -
Case against who? If the tape reveals that the caller reported her as having a head injury rather than being shot/assaulted, it has no bearing on the shooters guilt. Right?

Case against 'others' possibly involved.

I would guess that it would have nothing to do with the current defendants.


This is what we've been saying - words in the call have no bearing on the shooter's guilt but everything in the world to do with whether Davey and/or others were involved.

flightfulbird

Juliet said...

Bobcat -

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=dfl&GRid=58479868

You can get the certificates here if you belong to Ancestry.com, or sign up for the free trial.

Louise K said...

Carnival Barker - as long as a phone is powered its constantly pinging to the nearest tower.

Louise K said...

fullflight

I just got scolded for saying that again

but yes you are correct :)

The 911 call has zero relevance to the trial of those arrested, because the 911 call occurred after the crime was over and the defendants were gone from the crime scene.

It can ONLY be evidence implicating Davey imo

otherwise it would've been released

Juliet said...

I meant through the link - it should take you to them, as I recall - I don't have a current membership or I'd have a look. I might still have a guest access somewhere, but it would probably take me three weeks to remember the password - not sure that allows for looking up randoms, anyway.

Anonymous said...

In response to Juliet at 1:57pm...

You are right about gunshot wounds not necessarily leaving tell-tale signs. My step-father shot himself in the head a few years ago and when my mother found him there wasn't a large amount of blood, just a few little drops. You couldn't even tell it was a bullet hole. It looked more like he'd picked off a scab from a large pimple or something. His face was bruised and swollen. he told her he'd been struck by lightning and later that a friend of his had beaten him up. We didn't find out until we got to the hospital that there was a bullet in his brain.

Amanda could well have looked like she just fell down and struck her head. But... He had to have noticed the arm wound, and possibly the blood coming from the wound in her back. These three things would have made a slip and fall less likely. But the clincher would have been the missing panties. That should have told him it was something much more sinister.

Anonymous said...

Louise K 2:03pm

The room would not have smelled like gun powder. Perhaps immediately after the weapon was discharged, but it doesn't linger for any length of time. It's rather like a strong fart. It dissipates rapidly. I know this because of numerous occasions when I've shot my own gun out of my window to scare away vicious raccoons and other wildlife threatening my animals. I've never smelled gunpowder for more than a few seconds after discharge.

Bobcat said...

Juliet,

I have a membership and a county record of the death, but there was no obituary and no link to order a death certificate. Not all records are available through ancestry.com - even though the findagrave link might make you think they are.

Anonymous said...

As far as the 911 call having no relevance to the case against the three hoodlums arrested for Amanda's murder, that's not necessarily true. They could be using it as evidence to support a timeline or any other number of things that might come up during a trial. I would think it would be incredibly rare that the 911 call wouldn't be part of the evidence that went to the prosecutors office. I don't think Indiana pD's email means anything either for or against the theory that DB was involved.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 10:36pm - agree - Amanda's injuries could've not immediately been obvious as foul play (although that's reaching considering that she was face down in a pool of blood) - but the shirt pulled up and panties/underwear beside her - duct tape - and also the Swisher Sweets cigars on the counter - that Davey TOLD Detective Perkins "should not be in their residence". . .

he KNEW someone else had been there - it was totally obvious - so why wasn't he requesting police to come to a crime scene in that call. Going in circles now because someone will say again that we don't know what he said on the call. It's true we don't know exactly what was said and we don't know that he didn't request the police - but what he said and didn't say prompted the 911 operator to dispatch only medical services and not police or crime scene investigators.

They dispatched the equipment and services they thought were needed based on the information given in the call. This is why I think the call implicates him - because EMS immediately summoned Indy Metro Police to come to the house for a possible assault.

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

Yeah so basically its not necessarily an indicator of anything

But as its Davey its ALL an indicator

The underwear in particular makes one go WTF

And him not calling the police as a result of finding his wife bleeding from two places (head and bicep) which kinda rules out a tumble imo

At least one of those wounds bled profusely, statistically speaking at least

So he finds her sans undies lying on the floor with 2 separate wounds and DOESNT ask for Police or Identify this himself as a Crime?

Spectacular.

I mean it. Spectacular in its Stupidity

Right along there with (pp) Amanda hates me reading her journal so I'll just read out a whole bunch then dump it on the floor etc

Juliet said...

Bobcat - ah, well - how about these:

http://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-united-states-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records?firstname=della&firstname_variants=true&lastname=blackburn


https://familysearch.org/blog/en/online-united-states-birth-marriage-death-records/



rosy said...

Bobcat said...
at 9:39 PM
=============

Her death is mentioned as uneventful an obituary of her brother George Irving Norman, Jr. 1930 ~ 2006: "He was preceded in death by his sister, Dr. Della Ann Blackburn, Azusa, CA; and his son, Theodore V. Norman, Baltimore, MD."
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/1049282/Obituary-George-Irving-Norman-Jr.html?pg=all

Memorial contributions for George I Norman directed to Hobe Sound Bible College (Wesleyan), FL:
http://hsbc.edu/

Anonymous said...

We can't be sure M @9:49, why the poster @7:11 was given this 'we don't release the 911 call while the case is under investigation' lie, but I do know that it is not true, per'se, as it applies to a blanket rule of all LE agencies and jurisdictions. Oh, I believe this poster was given this explanation, just that it's not true. Maybe it applies to this particular precinct but certainly not all of them, nor is it a rule of law.

As an example, reflect back if you will, at the missing Haleigh Cummings case in Satsuma, Fl in about Feb, 2009. The 911 call made by Misty Croslin reporting five yr old Haleigh missing was made at 3:27 a.m. and released to the public the next day, or thereabout.

It's a very long and sordid story with many twists and turns, no need to go into it now; HOWEVER, the point is, this case is said to still be open (another LE big lie) by local Putnum County Sheriff Hardy claiming to still be searching for little Haleigh, when it is known to most anyone with half a brain that Haleigh is deceased, 99.99% likely at the hands of her father, Ronald Cummings and disposed of under a cloak of silence by him and his family with a little help from their friends, while it all got pinned on Misty and her family due to her lies on the 911 call and in subsequent interviews. Hardy claims the case remains open. LIE.

Nobody is searching for little Haleigh. The point IS, not all 911 calls are withheld under the guise of 'the case is under investigation.' Anyone who says they are is either lying, or confused, or just thinks this is true. It isn't. ABB

Anonymous said...

Flightfulbird @10:07; first you have to assume that LE is investigating Davey Blackburn AND THEY ARE NOT. Do you see any evidence of it? Where? What? Who? What is there left to investigate? First, 'sneaky' was committed when LE released a grainy photo, impossible to decipher by human eyes, even claiming it had been enhanced. There are supposedly more and better cc video camera shots? Then why deliver up one that can't even be distinguished as to who it could possibly be in the photo? Whose investigating the better videos? I haven't seen one, have you?

Secondly, LE bungled and blew any chances of even remotely investigating Davey Blackburn the same day, minute and hour they allowed Davey Blackburn to walk free with no suspicion (not even a poly) or investigation of any of the possible evidence that was in the home or in his possession; they took his word for whatever he said no matter how the circumstances appeared, allowing him 100% freedom of movement and plenty of time to dispose of and alter whatever evidence there might have been in Amanda's murder; also enabling him plenty of time to further his schemes and set up more lies.

IMO, (which, to me is quite obvious!) they are not going to clear up their mess now and admit they blew it. Why would they? Have you seen or heard of this mystery person(s) who IS looking into the deceit and shenanigans of Davey Blackburn? Show'um to me if you kindly will... THEN I might believe it.

Whose got 'blind faith' in the system and the human nature of another human being that you don't even know, that they are doing the 'right thing?' PUleeze, we all know better than this, don't we? You find me that wonderful 'on the ball' LE investigator whose quietly looking into Davey Blackburn and all the evidence that was disposed of, altered, contaminated and lied about, that will lead to his arrest and conviction and I'll dance at your next wedding, alrighty? Tkx, ABB

Anonymous said...

Okay. Now this is getting ridiculous. The mere fact that a bullet wound to the head 'might not' bleed out much or be quite so obvious to the naked eye; for beginners, we don't know where the bullet went into Amanda's head or how much it bled, but we DO know there were plenty of other injuries on this poor girls' body that would have left her lying in a pool of blood that could NOT have been caused by tripping over a damned ladder. Get real peeps.

She was hit in the face (likely) with a pistol, splitting open her lip and knocking out a tooth, shot in the head, shot in the back and shot in the lower forearm where the bullet traveled up into the upper arm. She was treated like spinning target practice, hit from every angle! Good God, how much blood and how many injuries does a person need to see to know this is no accident and the individual has been viciously attacked??!

Whether she fell on the steps trying to go up or come down the steps, or fell on the floor or knocked over the decorative ladder and a planter; do you honestly see her carrying her purse WITH HER, spilling out the credit cards on the floor, laying a roll of duct tape beside her, carrying her panties around with her while naked from the wait down, which she drops beside her; THEN manages to leave these pot 'sweet' thingies lying on a counter that was never in their home, along with her purse, pulls up her shirt trying to remove it, BUT YOU DON'T SEE THIS IS NO ACCIDENT, THIS IS A VICIOUS AND BRUTAL CRIME PERPETRATED ON YOUR WIFE?

Is anybody STILL making excuses for Davey Blackburn, calling this an "accident" and DELIBERATELY misleading the 911 call dispatch operator to only send an ER unit to assist in her "accident"? Then something is wrong with you. Seriously. ABB

Anonymous said...

It brings to mind the case of the beautiful little Tucson girl, Isabel Celis, who went missing and to date has never been found. Law enforcement released the 911 call that her father made to report her missing. Although the wording that the father used had suspicious overtones no definitive action was taken. To my knowledge no one has been charged with any crime nor has the child been found.

Anonymous said...

Here's another one where the 911 call(s) were released long prior to the case going to trial. In the case of Casey Anthony, the calls made to 911 by Cindy Anthony were released soon after little Caylee was reported missing thirty days after Cindy and George last saw Caylee or Casey.

Cindy was p'ssed off that she had not heard from Casey for a month and had been unable to track her down. REALLY p'ssed. Meanwhile, Casey had run up all kinds of charges and bad check schemes against Cindy and another one against her girlfriend. Oh boy, is she ever p'ssed!

She makes two calls to 911 in a fit of anger telling the dispatch that she has not heard from her daughter in a month and wants them to send someone out to talk to her, maybe help look for Casey through her friends. By the second call, Cindy is getting huffy with the dispatch operator because she did not jump to attention for Cindy. BUT, dispatch does not fall for the bait, so Cindy gets hotter under the collar and calls 911 the THIRD time.

It is in this third call that she tells dispatch that her 2-yr old granddaughter, who lives with them, is ALSO missing, she hasn't seen her in a month. Now she's got their attention. It was only then that Caylee was reported missing. The story gets longer, obviously, but the point IS these calls were released to the public shortly after Caylee was reported missing.

It is ALSO through these calls that it became obvious (at least to ME), and the subsequent ugly, nasty and deceitful mess and the tricks, schemes and devices they pulled off, that Cindy & George themselves created in little Caylee's disappearance, AND through their many perjuries, that THEY were ALSO involved in the death and disappearance of sweet and beautiful little Caylee; never prosecuted of course, but they WERE involved right from the beginning. BOTH of them. Back to the point; these 911 calls were released for the public LONG before Casey went to trial. Their release had no bearing whatsoever on the eventual trial. ABB

Anonymous said...

Oh yes, then there's little Isabel Celis. This recorded 911 call was released to the public too, and supposedly this case too is still open and under investigation. As you pointed out Anon, here is another unsolved tragedy; AND with clear evidence that her own father is involved and responsible for her disappearance, dead obviously. He had been raping her.

If there wasn't any other evidence, THAT becomes clear when LE investigators saw her handwritten scrawl in her sad little-girl penmanship inside her closet on a wall; "my daddy is a bad man." Raping her all along. Poor little girl. She had pathetically told on him but no one saw it until after it was too late.

Is her mother knowledgeable and a part of this? I suspect she is. She knew, or learned about the writing on the wall, yet she has made a big play at standing by her own daughter's daddy AFTER learning he had been raping her? Then she knew all along. She is lower than dog dirt. Body or no body; they BOTH need to be put out of their misery, but will it ever happen? It doesn't appear that it will. LE had the evidence right there with the writing on the wall, to arrest daddy first and mommie second, but did they? Nah.... Still hot-footing it? I doubt it. ABB

M said...

Can we all chip in and hire a handwriting expert?

That bat entry doesn't sound like something you write in a journal.

Peter - please analyze that one!

Anonymous said...

M @8:05, I understand well how you feel in suggesting hiring a handwriting expert; also I understood how Concerned felt when she suggested renting a billboard space urging investigation of Davey, and said at the time 'maybe', that I would discuss this with my attorney, but thinking it over, I also know that it is not sound judgment to get involved in legal matters such as this where one could find themselves up for a whole bunch of legal troubles they had not anticipated. To what advantage? I wouldn't put myself in a position that could cause lawsuits.

You realize, dealing with attorneys at all becomes HUGE and costly? Where does it stop? There is no end of the legal fees once the meter is running; believe me, they know how to drag it on and on and on until they bleed you dry.

I've gotten involved before, paying attorneys to help someone else and always got screwed over badly by the very one I was helping. Rarely do you ever get repaid, winding up being angry for the rest of your life at the person who lied and led you into fronting legal fees for them, believing they would repay you. No more. I just won't do it again. OR get myself involved in someone elses legal matters.

Just my opinion, but I wouldn't touch this with a 10' pole if I were you, M. ABB

Anonymous said...

http://kdvr.com/2015/09/21/harold-henthorn-found-guilty-of-1st-degree-murder-in-death-of-2nd-wife/

Maybe they're not onto Davey - but this man was convicted of murder three years after his wife fell off a mountain on their anniversary trip. And they now suspect (or have proven, I haven't followed it) that he also killed his first wife, who died after their car fell on her, while he was changing a tire.

Jo

M said...

oh! I was just joking! Sorry...I didn't think about readers not getting to 'hear' my voice.

Anonymous said...

Well crap. Out of thin blue smoke filled air, my last post just disappeared. No fair. I wasn't defending, bickering, disputing or picking a fight with anyone, just stating my unsolicited opinion. BUT, don't we all?

Alrighty then! I'm picking up my marbles and going home. That'll show ya! ABB

Anonymous said...

I think LE is aware that DB's statements are revealing what he knows and is trying to hide with Amanda's murder. It's my impression that DB has a very high degree of pathos that makes statement Analysis uniquely challenging. The 911 call is probably packed with evidence, and LE may realize the need to call in a team of experts to analyze it. I am hoping and praying that this is the reason Peter has been silent on this case for close to a week now.

On another note...

Is the picture of 3 people standing around some stairs supposed to be the 3 that were also in the Blackburn neighborhood? If so, the guy with his hood down absolutely looks like AB. His weight is listed @ 125 when he was last arrested in Aug. He also has the "lighter complexion" and the high top fade haircut.

Just going by the PC document, it seems completely obvious that AB is majorly involved. I think leaving him out free is a very stragic move on LE's part.

Also, isn't a person normally charged with murder when someone dies during the commission of their crime? It seems like this would apply to DG, at the very least he was involved with the ATM run. I think him not having ANY charges associated with the Blackburn crime is revealing that he is cooperating.

KK

Juliet said...

Hey, guys - I didn't say it looked like an accident to Davey - just that it seems likely he tried to give others the impression he thought it was an accident (in order to justify not asking for police,and not describing it is a shooting or a crime scene in his 911 call - if that's the case). There may not have been a lot of blood - she may have been laying on the arm injury, and any blood on her back he might have been able to say he thought came from the head injury - we don't know, except it does seem evident that both Perry Noble and Amanda's friend had at first been led to believe it was an accident, as most likely had the 911 dispatcher - by Davey. Why would he do that? To try to create the impression that a shooting involving his wife was the furthest thing from his mind.

Amy Smith said...

Anyone know anything about this?

@sgtsleuthy: @bobgoff @daveyblackburn Do you know @59Theorem, Mr. Blackburn? You two seem to be cut from the same cloth. #indy

https://twitter.com/sgtsleuthy/status/676778222927876097

Christopher Price?

Louise K said...

So now we hear from ABB that IMPD are NOT investigating Davey.

How would ABB KNOW that?

No one (possibly) knows except for a tiny team of detectives

Did Jesus tell you in the shower...?

Oh and ABB - you are totally off tap

STOP TELLING OTHERS HOW TO POST

thank you

Kate said...

I'm starting to agree with you ABB. I know this isn't an episode of CSI, but a lot of time has passed and one would think, at the very least, small leaks would be floating around, but instead? Nothing.

Could this case have been majorly BOTCHED from the start?!

Louise K said...

Heres the FACTS; Undisputed by either Jesus or ABB

1. Davey is on Hiatus
2. Hiatus is NOT what Davey intended
3. police weren't talking to a bunch of thieves when they said "youre not as Good as you think you are" Remembering DB own webpage is entitled "Good to GREAT"
4. Life is not CSI
5. complicated investigations take TIME
6. Davey has not become the Star of the Amandagrace Show as first attempted (see: GMA)
7. Davey CONTINUES to brag and bluster publicly by reading Amanda's journals
8. ENOUGH ROPE


Btw I didn't need Jesus to tell me any of this - just my Own Brain.

Ungodly I know but there you have it

some of us LOATHE other people telling us what to think

Which includes your wanker waving a bible in one hand and a gun in tother

Anonymous said...

Jo at 9:06 wrote -

"http://kdvr.com/2015/09/21/harold-henthorn-found-guilty-of-1st-degree-murder-in-death-of-2nd-wife/

Maybe they're not onto Davey - but this man was convicted of murder three years after his wife fell off a mountain on their anniversary trip. And they now suspect (or have proven, I haven't followed it) that he also killed his first wife, who died after their car fell on her, while he was changing a tire."

This gives me a ton of hope this morning for several reasons -

1 - Because as Jo said, it took three years (!) for them to snag this guy. He pushed his wife from the cliff but made several (or more) conflicting statements about how it happened afterward and detectives felt that it didn't add up. Federal investigation ensued.

2 - Because a search warrant was obtained for Google to release his internet search history - link here
https://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/henthorn-affidavit-warrant.pdf

3- Because there wasn't any physical evidence except the trauma to the victim (as in this case) - it wasn't like investigating a crime scene because it was said to be a slip and fall situation.

There has been much said about how LE is sunk in this case and that they are not even investigating it because the crime scene was contaminated and evidence is gone (ABB).

This case linked above seems to indicate that Amanda's murder can still be pinned to Davey (or his involvement in/plotting of it anyway) if FBI and Indy detectives can correlate statements, 911 call with what was and wasn't said with the intent mislead. The MacBook Pro is missing but searches made from IP address could reveal something, plus which they have multiple videos and statements and tweets and interviews - along with lots of random "coincidences" - that should make Davey look like a person of interest.

And yes Juliet, it was definitely conveyed that this was an accident at first - to Perry Noble, to Elizabeth Enfield / friends - and I keep thinking back to the fact that the 911 operators would err on the side of sending all equipment and personnel that *might* be needed in an emergency situation. The fact that they did not roll the police and that Engine 12 had to call and request police themselves makes it really obvious that the 911 operator had no clue that this was even remotely a crime scene.

I am HOPEFUL ! - plus which as another poster said above, Peter has been quietly away from here this week, the longest silence I've seen from him since his first analysis of this.

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

Kate - it could've been botched AT the start

what First Responders saw thought and believed is entirely different to what Experienced Detectives may see think and believe

LE HAVE TOLD US THEY ARE STILL WAITNG FOR DNA WHICH MAY TAKE WEEKS.

But carry on abusing and slagging off LE

Regardless if they're reading here = so what - they SHOULD know their public expects arrest in half an hour

FFS this drives me NUTS

if you look at the Daniel Morcombe case Downunder

Police had the perp in the first 2 weeks

It took 8 years, a massive undercover op combing several states police, and a Coronial Inquiry, before charges were finally laid.

8 years...despite having the Perps name in the first 14 days

8 years of hard slog - one of the most remarkable uc ops I personally have ever heard of - AND a Coronial Inquiry....!!!!

Millions of dollars, what - 110 MONTHS or so...yes 110 not 10 - and They Knew Who Did it from Day 14

There was just no proof

If DB got a bunch of gang bangers you can bet the house they aint talking (cooperating)

But they MIGHT be talking about the White Boy...to a cell mate who may/may not be uc police or wired by police

lynda said...

ABB said..

Okay. Now this is getting ridiculous. The mere fact that a bullet wound to the head 'might not' bleed out much or be quite so obvious to the naked eye; for beginners, we don't know where the bullet went into Amanda's head or how much it bled, but we DO know there were plenty of other injuries on this poor girls' body that would have left her lying in a pool of blood that could NOT have been caused by tripping over a damned ladder. Get real peeps.

She was hit in the face (likely) with a pistol, splitting open her lip and knocking out a tooth, shot in the head, shot in the back and shot in the lower forearm where the bullet traveled up into the upper arm. She was treated like spinning target practice, hit from every angle! Good God, how much blood and how many injuries does a person need to see to know this is no accident and the individual has been viciously attacked??!

_________________________________________

I was just about to post this. This was a bloody mess of a scene. Are we to believe that DAvey didn't even turn his wife OVER and look at her face?? It was bashed in enough to knock a tooth out! The tongue is the most blood rich muscular organ in the body and scalp wounds also. They bleed like crazy. And she was still alive! The blood was still PUMPING out of these wounds. Since she was still alive, bruising and swelling would still be happening, her face (from the gunshot to the back of head, and punch(es) in face, possibly with a gun, would be almost unrecognizable I would think.
For anyone to even think that he didn't know it was a crime scene is not believable. Of course, we dont know what he thought as we don't know what he said on 911.

For the poster that said Deorr's 911 call hasn't been released, Jessica Mitchell's 911 was released the day after, it was reported that Deorr Sr. jumped in his truck and took off to get a better signal to call 911 (bullshit) so we actually don't know if he ever called. You could hear someone talking in the background of Jessica's and it sounded like Deorr Sr. If that was true...he certainly wasn't up the road in his truck. Just another mystery in that poor baby's case.

Anonymous said...

Maybe it's reaching, but I am also still bothered by neighborhood watch captain Ryan's statement - video link here -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9xd48Mx5U

He says -
"We've heard alot about the evidence. . . and it looks like it's going to be a very firm, solid case . . .

then says "we've been wrapped up in this for so long. . . it's been hard for us to really process things at times. ..but we're happy, this is the start - of a whole 'nother chapter (pause) for us."

So my thought - Ryan says "we've been wrapped up in this thing for so long" - this interview was posted November 23rd, just thirteen days after Amanda's murder happened - that's really not SO LONG. . . was it long time to be wrapped up in planning something or maybe being aware of something going to happen? And who was wrapped up - the neighborhood ? for thirteen days?

and "this is the start - of a whole 'nother chapter (pause) for us --- who is US? If one of my neighbors was killed, I wouldn't be thinking that the neighborhood was entering a whole 'nother chapter just because there had been arrests - it would take a really long time to feel safe again and I wouldn't be ready to rest easily so quickly. And I still wonder who "us" is - is he that bonded to the neighborhood.

I've read in previous comments that Ryan has been on some of your radar as well and I'm curious this morning after seeing this video again.

flightfulbird

Anonymous said...

Yes Lynda at 1:06pm, I think this is what's going to be Davey's downfall - the fact that EMS / Engine 12 knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that the situation into which they walked was an obvious crime scene and that Amanda's injuries could've NEVER been caused by just an accident or a fall. The extent of the blood and her condition alone would indicate police were needed immediately to process and look for evidence. They know Davey would've had to know this as well.

This is not even taking into account the clothing removed and shirt pulled up, combined with other things Davey saw that indicated someone had been in their house while he was at the gym.

Correlate that with the 911 call and what Davey said and didn't say when he called after walking into this scene after sitting on the driveway talking for however long with his friend who tweeted that he loves their weekly convos (whatever) --- they've got him.

It's just a matter of making sure everything is buttoned up, waiting for DNA analysis, building an airtight case because they just have one chance to get it right and it only takes one juror to dissent and then it's over.

(I hope. . . I hope - channeling Davey's answer to the question in one of the interviews when he was asked if Evie would have dimples)

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

The reason Amanda died/did not die was

He shot the back of her head off at close range

This would've made not only a freakin MESS but would also have been Blindingly Obvious that it was more than a fall

The back of her head was gone

M said...

Amy - If you check out that guy's FB page you'll see how they are alike. The one difference being that this guy seems to just be using it as a schtick where for DB it's who he is.

That was a long way to say that I think it's sarcasm.

Juliet said...

Lynda said:

'For anyone to even think that he didn't know it was a crime scene is not believable.'

Quite - which is why, I reckon, at the press conference, it was said 'You're not as good as you think you are,'

No-one was buying Davey playing dumb and innocent, not realising that she had been shot, and thinking he could pull the wool over anyone's eyes by getting Amanda out of the house before LE arrived just because he's a pastor. It must have been so obvious, yet he thought he could get away with trying to make out that he at first thought it must have been an accident. Some freak accident, for Amanda to end up sans her underclothing - there's no way to explain that away. Well, there are ways he could try to account for that, I suppose - but I'm not going there as it would involve too much speculation.

Anonymous said...

In the very early days after AB's murder, I had wondered if there were possibly a craigslist connection to her furniture sales. Then of course I was distracted by DB acting crazy and didn't give it much more thought. And now the arrested men certainly don't look like people who would have been in the market for shabby chic furniture at any point. But with all the talk about DB that morning...if he had walked into that with no warning...what did he THINK happened? Could he have thought it was a CL transaction gone awry? I'm just missing him or anyone asking the obvious "why us?" and caring what the answer is. Because he knew there was crime in the neighborhood? No, he said it was a safe neighborhood. Why their house?

Juliet said...

Louise - is the autopsy report available for you to know that? Or do you know for sure what gun and bullet was used and the type of injury that it would be most likely to cause? A fatal bullet wound to the head may not even be visible - or it could blow someone's brains out, depending on the weapon and bullet.

Louise K said...

I would just like to share a personal story

I was assaulted, then ARRESTED

How this happened - I was struck over the head with a bottle, sent to Hospital in an Ambulance

The First Attendees (police) NEVER interviewed me

The interviewed the person who struck me - and her boyfriend who backed her up

So I got arrested out of the hospital and stuck in the cells for the night

THE FIRST ATTENDEE WAS A PROBATIONARY CONSTABLE

No one with any experience would ever have arrested Me, the Victim, in a million years

As it was it took 18 months of Pleading Not Guilty before I FINALLY got to trial and spoke to the Police Prosecutor

he withdrew the charges 3 days before trial.

Lesson here - First Respondent was a Newbie; she fucked it up; the rest covered for her; the Truth came out when I finally got to a Higher Level.



Louise K said...

Juliet

the Unnamed Source said he shot her in the bicep first as she turned on the stairs; then stood over her and shot her "in the back of the head"

Well the only way a perp can get to the back of someone's head via gun is

The head is turned toward them somehow

I took this to mean Amanda either fell on her front (unlikely, she was pregnant, the body automatically will twist to save the fetus) or she was lying with her head TURNED TO THE SIDE and he shot the back of it off.

Point Blank.

I don't know what sort of fairy land you live in where a bullet to the back of the skull will enter without a hole or Obvious Bleeding, but it aint my world

Where I live, if someone shoots you point blank in the back of the head, they're going to MAKE A MESS

no matter WHAT ammo is used there WILL be a visible entry wound

Davey has hunted right? so he knows what a bullet wound looks like, right> Guns in the house, ditto

Undies flying off = Not a Fall

Yet old DB didn't ever call for Police

Are you disputing this? If so, why?

Juliet said...

If in doubt, Google (images) 'clean bullet wounds'.

Louise - what was the charge?

Louise K said...

I doubt DB would've thought "shabby chic murderer" simply because I sincerely doubt Amanda would organize ANY visitors while still in her nightdress

Louise K said...

So Juliet - you are trying to explain away Daveys Not Calling Police - why is that...?

Don't you think the undies off and the nightdress pulled up was a bit of a CLUE also?

Or are you disputing those minor Facts also....?

Louise K said...

They charged me with Simple Assault.

Even though I was beaten to a pulp and the Assaulter had 0 marks on her

She screamed loudest

Juliet said...

'clean bullet wounds scalp' - Google images - with longer hair, it may not have appeared to be a bullet wound, just a bloody mess - yes, I know Davey knew she had been shot.

Louise K said...

LIke to see what sort of "fall" results in both the back of one's head being blown off, and a hole in a bicep...

Amanda had TWO bullet holes lets remember


An experienced hunter would KNOW a Clean Bullet Wound when he sees one.

Sorry Juliet (Davey) your attempt to explain it all away has just backfired

Louise K said...

Juliet

I am no hunter

but even I would look at a bullet hole in a bicep and go "hmmmm"

Let alone underwear catapaulting itself cleanly off Amanda's body and landing some distance away

Let alone the Fact that she had apparently been mauled on her top half

Anonymous said...

In the movie "Regarding Henry", Harrison Ford was shot in the chest and head in a convenience store robbery and there was almost no blood - just the shots - bullet went in above his right eye. it happened so fast, he fell to the ground, there was small bullet hole and some blood but it wasn't like an obvious expanding bullet hole or whatever.

Whether or not Davey could see a bullet hole or smell gunpowder or not, there were still ten other things that would've indicated that police were needed and not just EMS. And, whatever he said or didn't say to 911 indicated that this was only a medical situation and not a crime scene so police were not dispatched. I can't tell that anyone on this forum is disputing this.

I think all of us are on the same side here, yes?


flightfulbird

Louise K said...

100% flightful

Davey didn't ask for Police

Davey SHOULDVE asked for Police

Amanda had 3 separate wounds

that's 3 separate sources of blood! That we know of! Couldve been more!

It was BLOODY OBVIOUS a fall down the stairs would not result in a hole in a bicep and two other injuries besides, one of them fatal

Nor result in undies flying off (how ridiculous!)

Yet here we are, bitching about it...!

Louise K said...

Okay so we've had an Indy local post here right

If you call 911 what happens

"911 what's your Emergency" OR "911 what service do you require"

?

Kate said...

I always found it strange that they pulled Amanda off life support so very fast. If you google. "brain dead miracle" you will fine many results where a person was declared legally brain dead, but came back to life. For as religious as these people claim to be, that plug was sure pulled quickly. I bet Daveyboy was sh*tting bricks when he found Amanda was still breathing.

Anonymous said...

It's because we all care

Because the clues are so obvious to us and even though we know they should've been obvious to whoever responded, we are seeking assurance from each other that LE has this in hand and is working on the case

Because Amanda seemed to be such a sweet person and had tolerated so much from Davey and ended up losing her life in such a brutal way

All of us are tied together over this now, from what I can tell, everyone just wants to see the right outcome and that everyone responsible in any way is captured and dealt with

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

Also - lets also remember that whatever happened was enough to get the Professional Carpet Cleaners in.

Amanda did not die prettily or cleanly, at all.

Guns tend to have that effect on the human body.

M said...

I've done just a little (very little) research about 911 calls. I told my husband what time DB called 911 and that the first responders arrived within 8 minutes (which I thought was impressive) but it turns out that response time standards are actually much shorter than that. Who knew?! He told me that it should be 5 minutes or less from when they are dispatched.

I found that so hard to believe...why do I doubt him?!

The dispatcher gets a max of 90 seconds to ask questions, firemen get 60 seconds to get dressed an in the truck and 4 minutes to get the first person on the scene. The goal is to do this at least 90% of the time.

Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me - 'google' ems response time standards

According to the PC, DB called 911 at 8:22. IFD called for IMPD at 8:30. So they probably got there around 8:26-8:27 and started patient care.

The dispatcher asks a series of questions. If he had answered them according to the scene, it's so hard to imagine they wouldn't have immediately dispatched police. Plus, plus, plus....they already had a police call for 2 doors down.

I'm just stuck on that 911 call. There is a part of me that wants to find a way for it to be just another weird coincidence.

Then I start thinking about that dog again....

Louise K said...

The problem I have flightful (love your posts btw) is all this LE are Useless CRAP I keep reading

If LE were useless we wouldn't even KNOW the name Davey Blackburn

This case would've been done and dusted like so many others in the US, silently closed.

Anonymous said...

hahaha I bet he was sh*tting bricks too, Kate - didn't stay in the car quite long enough - I bet he thought for sure she'd be dead when he walked in

flightfiulbird

Anonymous said...

Thanks Louise K, to you and Juliet and Kate and everyone else as well

Yeah I read all of the assurances that LE is on it and that they have to know - and then I read that it's over and there's no evidence and LE has wasted the opportunity and they'll never get him.....

and I want them to get him, as much as I've ever wanted anything in my life right now. Obsessed, yes, definitely.

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

flightful - it could take years literally

Im still obsessed by justice for Jonbenet Ramsey and Madeleine McCann

It gets easier

lol

Juliet said...

No, Louise - I am not trying to explain away anything for Davey, I was mulling over the underclothing conundrum. That's the obvious indicator (should also have been obvious to Davey) that whatever happened was not going to look like an accident to anyone else - yet he still tried to give the impression it was an accident. I am thinking the plan got messed up. Perhaps the medics arrived before he had chance to make her respectable - if there was a sexual assault, it must have happened where Amanda lay dying, as her underclothes were besides her - perhaps that was not part of the plan (if there was a plan). Is Davey that perverse, though - he describes himself as a 'risk taker' on his blog, and we know, because he kept telling his Resonate audience, how sex dominates his life, and how he also uses violent language. Is it possible he sexually assaulted Amanda after calling in 'an accident' and before the medics arrived? Maybe then he did not have time to dress Amanda before they walked through the (possibly still unlocked) front door? I can't see how reporting an accident, and not requesting LE, can add up to an undressed Amanda - unless that part was not intended, but he couldn't undo the 911 call, and is indeed not, in any way, as good as he thinks he is.

Anonymous said...

I have never believed there was no blood or obvious gunshot but just for the heck of it, I googled clean gunshot wound to the head and looked at the images and that pretty much proves there is no way he didn't know she had a gunshot wound to the head. Its probably why they took the sheetrock sample: brains and stuff on the wall.

Anonymous said...

Kate, there are no cases where a person has been correctly legally declared brain dead and then came back to life. Those cases are where family did not understand presistent vegetative state, coma, etc. Once a person is legally declared brain dead, a death certificate is issued with TOD as the time the second physician declared brain death and then the family is give a "reasonable accommodation" (hours to about 2 days to gather out of town family) and then life support is withdrawn per the law.

But I do agree he crapped a load when he realized she was still alive

Juliet said...

Louise - I don't think you understand my posts - I am not trying to defend Davey, I am thinking things through. Thanks, Flightful, for seeing that - I, too, am on the side of justice for Amanda, which I don't think will be fully served by locking up the man and teenager who have been charged (they are pleading not guilty, let's not forget, even if that is to be expected). It's absurd to accuse posters of being Davey. Out of interest, why the desperation for his attention?

Anonymous said...

I think almost everyone agrees that there are things that don't add up, considering how gruesome of a scene DB was bound to have walked into, and that the police were not immediately dispatched, along with EMS....

And, I know it's come up before, but, for the life of me I cannot wrap my head around all that DB, evidently, visually took in, per being questioned by police at the hospital (as he wasn't home when LE arrived). So, that means that while Amanda was bleeding out onto the carpet, he noticed the cigar wrappers, that a bag with books and a macbook were gone....And, at some point he let Amanda's dog out (from a crate, possibly in the garage, per previous posts), and we assume he checked on Weston...

-L

Juliet said...

It's getting like Websleuths here - at some point there will be a trial, and crime scene photographs - in the meantime all we can usefully say is that Amanda may have suffered a gaping obvious, brain matter on the walls, gunshot wound - or a more discreet injury - and that we don't know.

Louise K said...

Ok so we are all in agreement

the delay in the driveway

and Davey's own description on the 911 call which apparently, delayed Police attendance quite a bit

both conspired to make Davey APPEAR at least like he was trying to avoid calling police at all

subconsciously or not

He wanted the Ambulance to come not the Police

Despite seeing his wife with the back of her head shot off and another hole in her bicep and her underwear removed

We see this Constantly with husbands later found to have murdered their wives

Delaying tactics

They don't want police involved and will do anything to delay it

Anonymous said...

I agree, Louise.

So, as you mentioned a previous day, Davey must have forced the issue of him riding in the back of the ambulance to the hospital. (It appears that he was trying to leave before LE arrived, imo.) I seriously doubt that EMS would have let him bring Weston along for the ride in the back...So, WHERE was Weston, and how did DB have time to arrange for a babysitter?

-L

JBB said...

"Would love 2 see little pieces of Amanda's legacy all over the country. Get your limited edition #FORINDY shirt 2day "

DB's Tweet about 5 minutes ago. "limited edition," he writes. Wow. There are no limits with this guy. He will push anything to make a buck.

mom2many said...

Flightful, in regard to the movie, was the character shot dead, or was his heart still beating? A heart that is still pushing blood through the body logically results in more blood loss than if the heart stops.

It occurred to me today that, because she was not deceased, her body would have initiated attempts to begin healing...white blood cells, etc. I probably watch too much crime TV, but I think forensics should be able to discern whether she could have been shot before Davey left through this evidence, and not have to rely on witness accounts alone.

Rella said...

Amanda's initials are practically indiscernible on the tshirt.

Louise K said...

I would imagine Weston went in the ambulance also

he would most likely have been taken in for checking himself.

Louise K said...

Heck they may have even SWABBED Weston as part of the Crime Scene

in fact they probably did

Anonymous said...

Ah. Didn't think about Weston being checked out. That would makes sense.

-L

Louise K said...

Personally I think its quite possible

Davey himself busted Amanda in the grill and left her bound for the Burglar/hitman to finish off

Girasol said...

this DB tweet led me to check out Amanda's Twitter acct. For all the nice things said about her, there are some fairly nauseating tweets in which she seems to be bragging about all the generous things she has done "ForIndy". Random acts of kindness indeed. Who in their right mind shows off the fact that they are giving a cash gift to their mailperson or baking brownies for the neighbors? Someone's left hand not only knew what their right hand was doing, it was shouting about it from the mountain top. These people.

Louise K said...

Police took duct tape from the house for testing no?

That implies that Amanda was bound.

What if she was bound BEFORE the burglars even arrived...? What if part of the job was to Remove that binding?

Anonymous said...

L at 2:39pm, yeah that would've been alot to take in and remember so specifically for the interview with Detective Perkins at Methodist Hospital (especially the cigars on the countertop that he stated "shouldn't be in their residence" and the missing backpack/bag) - alot to remember in the few minutes between when EMS arrived and when they were "carting Amanda Blackburn from the home" (words from the affadavit page 14.

Although, EMS called for IMPD at 8:30am - officers arrived at 8:44am so that was fourteen minutes. Yet my first thought if I found my husband in a pool of blood on the floor wouldn't have been to look around and see what was missing - but if Davey knew the backpack would be missing, conveniently along with his laptop. . .

something else -
Affidavit says "At 8:44 Officers Richard Crosby and Larry Crowe arrived as Medics were carting Amanda Blackburn from the home. Amanda Blackburn had sustained severe head traume. Sergeant T Michael Wilson and Officer Carl Grigsby cleared the residence."

(Caps mine now - the affadavit continues

"Noone else was found in the home, EXCEPT BLACKBURN'S YEAR OLD SON".

So apparently Weston was home alone when IMPD arrived and they found him when clearing the home?! Davey was already on his way to the hospital - affidavit says Detective Perkins arrived at 9:01am and talked with Davey Blackburn then.

If you could tell someone had come into your home while you were gone - duct tape, furniture turned over, credit cards scattered, Swisher Sweets cigar package on counter - and your wife "in the condition she was in" (trademark Kenneth Wagner) - wouldn't you go to Weston and retrieve him to comfort him (or at least tend to him, if he didn't need comforting !) and then take him with you to the hospital? From what I can tell in the affidavit, Weston was found by the officers clearing the residence - he was left alone at fifteen months old.

I wonder if anything was said at the hospital about someone needing to go get Weston, that he's alone or whatever. I wonder if, as someone upthread said, he was expecting Weston to have been dispatched as well and didn't want to go upstairs to find out for whatever reason?


Juliet, ewwww Websleuths ! It is so great to me to be able to talk and vent to all of you about this in a free environment. The "victim-friendly" no-sleuthing-except-under-certain-conditions policy of Websleuths does not do the best service to the actual and true victim in this case.

flightfulbird

Anonymous said...

Late to the party - all of the above posts while I was writing my last one -

AFFIDAVIT STATES THAT NOONE ELSE WAS FOUND IN THE HOME, EXCEPT BLACKBURN'S YEAR OLD SON !

OMG !

flightfulbird

Anonymous said...

mom2many, the Regarding Henry character lived - heart still beating - surgery and lots of rehab for brain injury but he recovered and there was happy ending with his family. I was actually surprised at how little blood there was at first.

Definitely a movie, not real life - and depending on how quickly (in the movie) EMS got to him, there would be way less blood than in Amanda's case where who knows what time she was shot and how long she was there before being found.

flightfulbird

Louise K said...

flightful - so you're thinking DB called 911 said "my wife is sore" went with her in the ambulance LEAVING Weston behind....?????

And we know it was the EMT who called Police so it was them who thought "girl has been shot"

If it weren't for EMT Weston would've been left up there alone....?????

What In The Efffffff??????? Did Davey not check him? Did Davey ASSUME HE WAS DEAD???

Louise K said...

Ok the EMT themselves say "Severe Head Wound"

Severe = OBVIOUS

Carpet cleaning etc

she bled everywhere and possibly brain splatter as well (see: drywall)

and This Idiot doesn't call Police...?

Anonymous said...

Peter has a new post on DB up...

Louise K said...

Oh btw - as most mums will know - even a tiny cut will bleed like anything

Head wounds tend to look and seem Far Worse than they are, not Far Better..!

Anonymous said...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case

Link to affidavit - scroll to page 14 ! It totally says the Blackburn's year old son was found in the home. EMT left after carting Amanda Blackburn from the home (I'm guessing with Davey in tow, riding in back of the ambulance) . . .

. . . and the responding detectives found Weston !

flightfulbird

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