The murder, itself, was shocking: a young, beautiful pregnant woman was murdered in her home.
As shocking as the brutal murder was, it was the victim's own husband who further shocked the public with his statements described as "crass", "cold", "unfeeling" "disinterested" but, for statement analysis, something quite different.
He responded publicly and repeatedly, in ways that shocked the public even further, perhaps, than the murder itself.
With his online videos, the public learned much about him including the basic fact that he is obsessed with numerical success and that his wife, Amanda, stood in the way of his success. He even went as far as saying her initial pregnancy was a crisis for him and that she frequently complained that he was not spending time with her; but about his 'business' of getting numbers out to follow him.
His videos reveal talented theatrics and choreographed presentations, of which, just prior to her shooting, one with a prop gun waved around by him.
A week later, she was dead and his initial reaction was to capitalize on the advertising opportunity her death afforded him.
The public waited for him to show fear of the killers, if not for him, a man of 'great faith', than at least for his son or the neighborhood.
He did not.
The public waited for him to speak words of bereavement only to find his statements were made without even mentioning his wife's name.
There are those who have defended the husband, Davey Blackburn, emphatically due to loyalty to a specific faith, while there are others who have not simply responded with the known details of the case, but who attacked the defenders, projecting their own feelings about faith into the discussion.
Still, there is a dismissal of his words by claiming mental illness or psychological disturbance on his part; specifically delusional or narcissistic (the twain do not meet) use of the pronoun "we."
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The perfect storm comes together when narcissism, obsession, drive and talent meet historical or habitual deception.
We often say, "the liar is a murderer in training" due to the pragmatic world view where one lies to get what one wants and with lies that are successful, comes desensitization and increase in frequency and scope. Hence, the liar puts himself and his own life above others, and unchecked, the end is murder...murder, if necessary for self.
This is also a bit of insight into why this type of profiling has low accuracy rating and isn't actively stood upon in the field of investigations.
Nothing shows the accuracy and success as the words that come out of a person's own mouth. It is, in this sense, almost impossible to lie. One may murder, one may commit arson, rape and other heinous crimes, but once a subject is in the free editing process, he will give it all away.
Statistical profiling, far more accurate, has been discarded due to politicians' exploitation of it.
Statement Analysis profiling recognizes that words reveal the speaker's:
Background
History
Priority
Personality
Studying Statement Analysis Profiling allows for precision; not vague declarations that cannot be stood firmly upon.
Editing Process
As the husband of victim, Amanda Blackburn recounts 'what happened', it is impossible for him to tell us everything, therefore, he must edit his account before producing words:
Of a vocabulary of more than 20,000 words, what words to choose;
where to place such words (syntax)
what tenses and pronouns to use
what order to place the information...
This takes place in less than a micro-second in time and reveals:
The speaker's background information, including sex, age, etc,
his experiences in life;
his priority in the account, and lastly,
his personality.
To dismiss his use of the pronoun "we", for example, rather than viewing what context produces "we" and what context produces "I" is to show an intense misunderstanding of both human nature and basic communication, making 'profiling' an undisciplined work akin to 'psychic' guessing. Even the most extreme narcissist who do speak of themselves, in the second person, for example, are noted as all others are: baseline reference point. Even in behavioral profiling, norms are established just as it is for statement analysis (or even body language analysis). If narcissism produces "we", under what context is it seen, and under what context is it abandoned? This is to establish context within analysis.
To claim that a public speaker is so mentally ill or so narcissistic as to be incapable of separating himself from Divinity in using the pronoun "we" instead of "I" is not only to not understand mental illness, narcissism, context and baseline pattern, but it is to not understand that Blackburn is an educated and talented public speaker who principally relies upon persuasion. For those of faith, this point is even stronger: his psycho-sexual religious ideology is, at heart, pragmatic. If numbers come, it is positive. If numbers do not come, it is negative.
Next, the conclusions here are not simply analysis of the words, but behavioral analysis, both pre and post crime. The opinions expressed here particularly in this regard, comes from more than one dozen professionals, including those with decades experience in homicide investigation, ranging from local, state and federal law enforcement, to the professionals within psychology and communication. The representation of the opinion is singular; as the elements were all agreed upon, after much analytical work and discussion.
The source of information is public record. No cases assisted upon are published in the Statement Analysis blog.
Narrative
Amanda Blackburn was sexually assaulted and murdered when a gang of young black males entered her home while her husband was not inside the house, but at the gym, en route to or from the gym, or in his driveway. With this evidence, police quickly cleared Davey Blackburn as a suspect. As the analysis will show, this immediate clearance of the husband was not warranted, nor wise. The pressure of publicity also cannot be ignored. The sexual assault classification is due to the position of her clothing in the murder.
Amanda Blackburn was pregnant, married to Davey Blackburn, pastoring a church in which emphasis is incessantly placed upon pop psychology "success" driven agenda of populating the church.
Statistically, when a pregnant woman is murdered, the male partner (husband, boyfriend, ex) is the most likely one responsible.
Analytical Questions:
Since the murderers are now caught, the analysis seeks to learn whether or not the victim's husband had any knowledge of what happened to Amanda, which can range from facilitating the murder, down to knowledge that his home was to be entered that morning for nefarious reasons. Therefore, the question is not singular, though "guilty knowledge" is sought to be discerned.
Behavioral Analysis
Behavioral analysis simply looks at the behavior of a subject (D. Blackburn) before, during and after the homicide.
Did the subject show any signals of anticipation before the crime?
Did the subject show signals of benefiting from the crime? In domestic homicides, behavioral analysis seeks to learn the quality of the relationship, whether there was infidelity, or whether divorce was an undesirable alternative.
Did the subject show any signals of knowledge, via behavior, that would cause him to, for example, not fear reprisal upon his son's life, or his own?
We look, in particular, for 'stressors' or unusual and straining circumstances that can precede domestic homicide.
Statement Analysis
Statement Analysis is the most effective way of discerning truth from deception, exceeding that of the polygraph, voice stress analyzer, and all other means currently employed. In this case, statements made both before and after the homicide are examined to learn whether or not an answer to the analytical questions can be obtained. Would Blackburn's statements reveal someone with some form of knowledge of the crime?
I. Life Prior to the Homicide
Much is learned in viewing the unusual circumstances in the life of Davey Blackburn prior to the murder of his wife. Due to this circumstances, much sample is available online, including both video and written statements. His connection to Perry Noble also has provided a great deal of information.
Readers who are interested in understanding the conclusion of the analysis should simply search on this blog for the many articles with analysis on the case.
What do we know from this background?
1. Deception
We know that Blackburn had serious issues growing up. Those who understand the origin of deviancy know that those who fabricate reality for their own advantage are either properly taught in early childhood, or they are not and even those who claim strong religious crisis experience, later realize that personality traits in childhood are very difficult to over come. Children are born liars and those who are not taught, no matter the reason for the negligence of duty, will become habitual liars and it is their success in lying that will determine how much damage they do in society. The greater the intellect of the deceiver, often the greater the damage, or, in the least, the propensity for damage.
A Biblical example of such is the thief. The cultural mandate was "thou shalt not steal" which was prescribed to be taught at a very early age, repeatedly, along with negative consequences for such. Yet, what does the Bible say about the adult thief, who now wishes to amend his ways?
Carefully consider what this highlights in human nature:
For the adult, the directive is to "steal no more" (inner repentance) but a natural remedy was also prescribed to combat the habitual selfishness behind theft: "let him that stole, steal no more, but work willingly with his own hands, to give to others..."
Those who took that which belonged to others had to not only internally change (no more theft and a change of attitude) but the practical application was that he now had to give money away to others. This is a powerful antidote to theft and that it is not compulsory is even more fascinating. Will someone who has only sought to benefit self not only be able to overcome this habit, but actually deny self satisfaction, and give to others?
It is a good reminder how personality patterns (lying and stealing are cousins; both are forms of theft with lying the passing of false communicative currency) are near impossible to overcome and take special remedy.
Statistically, those who fabricate reality will grow in the desensitization process right up to falsely testifying in capital crimes to murder. As Cindy Anthony put it, "just because someone tells a few mis truths, doesn't make them a killer..." in reference to her killer daughter, Casey Anthony, who felt that her daughter was getting too much attention and getting in the way of her social life, so she killed her.
Just like that.
That Casey was known to fabricate reality from childhood, including lying when no lie was even needed, was not lost on the public; only the jury, who, perhaps, hoped for their own cashing in on infamy.
Those who are not properly corrected at a very early age, pose a serious risk for offenses against society later. Thus the study of criminals and human empathy.
Those in prison, like those law abiding, were both told,
"Do not hit your sister!" but the criminals lacked something that the law abiding was given: human empathy.
"Don't hit your sister, it hurts her."
It is within these early life lessons that language speaks and habits of speech formed.
Blackburn self reported that he lied so severely in high school that it caused everyone in his life, from peers to faculty, to turn on him. The lie itself, by the reaction, was antisocial. For trouble makers, generally peers or authority will turn against them, but not both. The lie was destructive and in the minds of many, likely "unforgivable." What he did was to put himself above all others, and benefit in a way that would come through the destruction of at least one other person.
That it happened, not at age 6, but as a teen, is alarming. It is a strong signal of the narcissism that was to become on full display for audiences via his video taping of himself.
Pop Entertaining Psychology Positive Thinking Meets post MTV sexuality, Marries Religious Belief Captured on Video
Blackburn's belief system is best viewed through his own words, rather than that of historic Christianity. His adulation of Perry Noble, and his insatiable desire to satisfy himself are only slightly hidden beneath the arch of religion. Religious structure is a medium of which he can fulfill his ambitions.
This means Christianity must be subordinated to self, rather than self subordinating to principle.
2. Narcissistic Behavior
Prior to the murder of Amanda, we were able to view video tapes of Davey Blackburn in which the narcissism was readily discerned. The videos (and statements) show that within his personality there is a desire to place himself above all others. Linguistically, he placed himself above others, beginning first with his wife, which would eventually place himself equal to and even above, Divinity.
The narcissism sometimes revealed itself in insulting ways towards the murder victim, herself. His discomfort at 'sharing the spotlight' with her showed itself in subtle ways, from correcting her to minimizing her.
In Statement Analysis, we look for small, subtle ways in which the mind of the subject reveals itself linguistically, by justifying the death. This can range from "well, the baby would not stop crying" (blaming the child for being shaken) to
'Amanda died so the church would live' statement in which Amanda was the "sacrifice" who "gave her life" for the "church."
Blackburn took this one even further: he claimed that he and "God" actually discussed this where God "asks" Blackburn if he would have chosen to give up Amanda for the "church."
This puts the arbitration, even in hindsight, as to whether Amanda lives or dies, with Blackburn, himself. This makes it much more than a "justification" for her death.
3. Ambition
Blackburn was open about his ambitions and his own description of what "success" is within his personal subjective dictionary. His ambitious nature was such that he was incapable of masquerading it, even shortly after Amanda's murder. While mankind grieves, he was busy counting numbers, seemingly unaware of how this might appear as crass, commercialism or profiteering. Even the 'sleaziest' of politicians put a thin veil over opportunistic exposure. Blackburn showed a complete lack of self awareness but when publicly commented upon, he quickly retreated to religious argument.
In one short video well before the murder, he was seen berating his followers for their failure to fulfill his self imposted numeric account for new followers. (This was one of the first video examples where, when his emotion increased, he used the pronoun "I" making his statement quite strong as he castigated them). Remember, this was "their failure" to bring people; not 'Davey's failure' to attract the numerical figure.
We take careful note of those who refuse to accept responsibility for their actions, linguistically, by distancing language, including the use of the pronoun "we" when only "I" is appropriate.
Ambition coupled with habitual deception yields danger.
4. Sexuality
Observed his mentor, Perry Noble, "something" was "not right" about Blackburn, and the remedy, according to Noble, to fix this was a female.
Blackburn showed an obsession with convincing his audience that he had a powerful heterosexual drive. In this, he indicated his wife for failure and his own obsession to the point where he described himself in capable of having conversation at dinner unless he first used his wife to satisfy himself sexually.
This "need to persuade" that his sex drive was heterosexual (he links it continually to his wife) and not same sex attraction (SSA) was further evidenced in his clothing and appearance. Even shifting a reference point from Christianity as seen in most Protestantism, he bearing in the videos showed the need to accent his physical attributes, with the use of, for example, tight fitting clothing. Commenting on the videos, many people said that they were difficult to watch for very long, as he used choreographed body language as an entertainer.
Behavioral Analysis
Post Crime
As we examine points one and two, I have included a specific commentary on Christianity due to the 'defense' of Blackburn's behavior and words being ascribed to "faith."
1. No fear of killers. The husband who's wife and pre born child were murdered in a home invasion showed no fear of the killers, for either himself, or even for his son.
2. Focus upon exploitation and profiteering rather than grieving.
This is unnatural and regarding faith, consider that the Bible does not promise, nor teach that the Christian life, on earth, suspends human emotions, which include fears, anxieties, disappointments, grieving, and so on. In Christ, we are given written examples of Christ weeping over Jerusalem, a city that He knew would be destroyed by Rome in just a generation, as well as other such examples.
This "hyper faith" movement is not new and the popular 'emotion' over reason is within the Church and in secular culture.
A home invasion is a traumatic event and this will produce both hormonal reaction and revelation within speech.
A murder is even more traumatic.
A close-relative (spouse/ the "one person") murder increases this;
A child murdered, on top of the other elements, is severe.
To not react to such, but to show not "courage" but apathy, towards the still on-the-loose killers, in a "complete mystery"
of "why were we targeted" will produce profound fear and activity, including protection of his son.
The lack of concern of the perpetrators for himself and his son suggests knowledge that he and his son would not be targeted.
Consider: those who simply believe that Blackburn was set free from his marriage, something he clearly showed hindered him from his goal (numerical success; pragmatism) must consider that one so driven on numerical success would, yes, be relieved of the burden of his wife, whom he complained about openly, but would still be concerned that his own success would be hindered by the gang members coming back for him.
3. Equal or above Divinity, Authority over others, including father in law shows the union between a very troubled deceptive narcissistic personality and religion, which is now met with a showman's talent.
The videos reveal confident strut, choreographed body posture and facial expressions, and a command of the English language.
Not only are pronouns instinctive in the English language (therefore, 100% accuracy rate) but consider the subject, himself, as a talented public speaker.
These points are all covered in the various entries of analysis, in particular, his words that brought these conclusions. Please see individual entries for deeper understanding.
4. Linguistic Indicators of Guilt
These are dealt with in more depth in other articles. I have taken a team of top analysts in the country through the statements, carefully, and the conclusion has been the same:
Linguistic indicators of guilty knowledge of the crime.
What was the first thing he said to the public after finding his wife murdered and the perpetrator (s) at large?
“It’s impossible to communicate all the emotions my heart has been forced to process. My wife was such a beautiful, gracious, loving woman of God. I have not only lost my ministry partner and support, but also my very best friend. There is no way to prepare yourself for circumstances like these. As deeply as I am hurting, I am hopeful and confident that good things will come of this. I rest in the truth of Romans 8:28 that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him and who are called according to His purpose.
“I know that in her death and legacy even more people will come to a saving faith in Christ. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt her desire for me would be to continue what we’ve started here in Indy. I hold firm to the belief that God is still good, that He takes our tragedy and turns it into triumph, and that the best truly is yet to come.”“Amanda made it her life’s calling to love and serve everyone she knew. Even more, she has made it her life’s mission to see as many people as possible come to know Jesus as their personal Savior.”
If you go back to the original analysis, you will see that this is very concerning. He does not mention Amanda by name, which is distancing language at a time where the most closeness in language is expected. This shocked analysts, initially, who could not grasp how a man could so quickly 'move on' from this murder and how he could make a statement without her name. That he turned to sloganism so quickly was just the tip of a very ugly ice berg.
He went on a TV circuit and continued to avoid using her name; instead turning it into an advertising campaign for himself. Those of you that understand somewhat of Statement Analysis and repetition cannot help but note his focus:
DB: Oh my gosh, I wish I could tell the world everything about her, I wish I had the time to but, um, I think what I would really want the world to know is that she loved Jesus with her whole heart. And she loved people, and she spent her life pouring her life out to people. She served people, she uh, loved the people that were unloveable, gave hope to people who um, didn’t have hope, didn’t think they had a future, and um, she just absolutely gave everything she had to her Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Note: "people" as in numbers within the crowd...Recall that mere days after the brutal murder he was able to recall the specific number of "people" who 'attended' his business via the internet.
He went on to pushing for numbers for her "Christian memorial service", which, itself, was shocking as it was not Christian, and it was not a memorial for Amanda, but its focus was "sex" and Davey Blackburn, himself, with bizarre rambling from his mentor, Perry Noble, not discussing the Resurrection of Christ, but "Davey's good looks."
On Television, he was asked 'Who did this?" and "Why?" His answer was not challenging for analysts:
CD: Um, ya know, the ah investigators um, haven’t given me ah, a, ton of details that um, they’ve given me the details that they’ve released to, to the public as well, an, an so we, we’ve been really tryin’ to do over the past week is um, is, is, kinda figure out , we, ya know, how to grieve the loss an, an how to, how to move forward from here an how to work thru all of this , it’s devastating to the family an , and um, ya know the fu, funeral this past Sunday was just an amazing celebration of, of her life an, we just um, we were so grateful for, for friends and family comin’ to show support, and the nation um, there were over 6500 people tuned in across the world um, and, and, what was so great about Amanda is she was so selfless, that she didn’t want here life to be put on display ever, but she wanted Jesus to be put on display. We feel like that’s what happened at the celebration service, that Jesus was lifted up and people’s lives have been changed because of that.
The use of the pronoun "we" is not, by this talented and highly manipulative public speaker, a 'narcissistic slip' nor is it indicative of mental disorder. Even as he equates himself with Divinity, he does so for the purpose of usurping authority over others, for his personal gain. His short speech at his father-in-law's church should be read to be believed.
Grieving.
"We" have to figure out how to grieve; not "I" which is not expected under any circumstances.
"We" did not lose a wife. "We" did not lose a child. The marriage is between him and Amanda; no one else; and they were "one flesh", as one 'person.' There is no more of an "personal" intrusion into this than murder.
Investigators must learn why he, himself, does not have to "figure out" how to grieve. If he was just relieved from a burdensome marriage that hindered his narcissistic goal, why did he show no concern for himself, his son, or even the public at large from the killers?
"For us, we have nothing to hide" is probably the single clearest point in his language that Davey Blackburn not only has something to hide, but will not stand alone, psychologically, due to intense guilt.
What is often missed in this guilty formed statement is the following:
He asserts that "for us" they have nothing to hide. While focusing upon the plural, the comparative phrase should not be missed:
This statement recognizes that he knows of someone else (likely plural, as well) that does have something to hide.
Where did he get this knowledge from?
We have seen repeatedly the issue of sexuality from this habitual liar. We then had the psychologically revealing "meeting with God" where he was both naked and in the shower.
This is akin to sexuality and the need for cleansing.
To dismiss him as mentally ill because he believes God had a talk with him while naked in the shower is to also fall prey to his deception: this statement was purposeful to both his father-in-law, and to the audience, of whom, if the "history making" movement, of which he is front and center, does not come to pass: they would be faulted; not him.
This is the same thing as "for us, we have nothing to hide" whether coming from him or coming from a 2nd grader home from school after seeking to share guilt.
Here, Blackburn affirms that he has knowledge that others have something to hide, even as he, himself does, and what he hides, he cannot bear being alone to be responsible for.
Conclusion:
The police should have polygraphed Davey Blackburn regarding knowledge of the crime that took place in which Amanda Blackburn and her pre born child lost their lives.
Blackburn's repeated statements reveal narcissism, strong intellect, deception, manipulation, and to this, analysis of his behavior agrees. The investigatory interview would be a long wrestling match in which the interviewer must have a strong understanding of the Bible, which Blackburn will use to defend himself.
He is a master showman, above average intellect, with habitual patterns of deception, along with a history of success. He is sexually confused and his need to repeatedly affirm his heterosexuality suggests some elements of same sex attraction. Should he ever face scrutiny and the tide turn against him, he would likely seek to capitalize on the political atmosphere regarding sexuality.
Blackburn gives verbal indication that not only he was free from the burden of marriage and pregnancy, but that he had no concern for himself, his son, his home, nor the neighborhood at large, that the criminals would return.
His delay of almost 40 minutes sitting in his driveway is critical. By someone who's life and words are so ordered and neat, this, too, was not by accident nor chance. Listen to the words his best friend said at the "memorial" service. He and Perry Noble, both, expressed doubts and "something" that was wrong with Blackburn. Don't think these things are completely lost upon Amanda Blackburn's family. These are the things that haunt victims' close relatives long after the media blitz has gone away.
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| Blackburn chides father-in-law for his dead church |
Everything within his public statements agrees with guilty knowledge of what happened to his wife. That he 'corrected' his statements, later on, due to the shock from the public, only shows his awareness of his settings.
1. When a pregnant woman is murdered, statistics point to the male (husband).
2. The husband is obsessed with success.
3. The husband said his wife and pregnancy hindered his success.
4. The husband was, in a single day, free of both.
5. The husband showed no concern for the brutal criminals on the loose.
6. The husband showed only concern for his business success.
7. The husband's statements show deception and guilt.
As one 30 year veteran of homicide investigations said,
"No one is this lucky."
Davey Blackburn gives indicators of guilty knowledge of the crime committed against his wife and pre born child.
Davey Blackburn has been cleared by investigators and is not considered a suspect, including as an accessory to this crime, by any known law enforcement entity. The opinions here are only those of my own, as all are judicially innocent unless found otherwise in a court of law.
When one speaks publicly, it is presupposed that the audience will choose to believe him, or not to believe him.
I do not believe him. Hiding a poor marriage, hiding same sex attraction, hiding various crimes and misdemeanors, and so on, will not exempt one from the intense fear of the unknown brutal killers on the loose. Blackburn's indifference is well noted.
Statement Analysis analyzes what one says...
and what one does not say. Training is key.
As the facade around his mentor came down, so it may with Blackburn as the "tell tale heart" beats with much strength of youth to resist it, and as his mentor found, being drunk on one's own success, too, will difficult to withstand. Truth has a way of coming out...even if it takes a long time.
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Why "good"? Despite threatening his daughter's life, he still shows respect. The whole ungratiating yet threatening tone is too complex for a child.
What if it is not "complexity"? What if it is just conflicting attitudes which reveal the writer does not understand emotions or feelings? If I dont understand feelings there is no complexity if, for example I begin in a sinister tone Ive heard in a movie and then end with sarcastic, playful jabs Ive also heard bad guys say in a movie. Remember, I dont really "get"!what bad guys feel or think...I am just imitating how they talk in various movies that have different plots and different bad guys who feel different things but I dont "get" that if I am autistic.
I know there are previous Ramsey articles by Peter- I think most recent was a recap analysis of the ransom note. Could those posting comments about that case, post on that last Ramsey article? Most commenters for the Blackburn case don't post continually on a new post that Peter writes that is unrelated.
*speaks really slowly*
My name is "Tom". I chose a name "The Sheep" so people can distinguish me from all the other posters, and if I randomly drop in and tell someone to "shut up", they'll know which poster said it. When you post as "Anonymous" readers cannot distinguish (i.e. tell apart) you from other anonymous posters.
My mom did not name me "The Sheep" but she did teach me 1. Not to randomly tell people to shut up and 2. Not to back down when bullied.
Oh Im sorry! Youre right! You guys were doing a great job rediscussing all the details of the Blackburn case ad nauseum and making no progress. How dare I talk about the Ramsey case even though it's all the news!
The writer of the letter knows how to instill fear while at the same time showing respect, otherwise it would have been a simple set of instructions about what to do.
The language and the level of manipulation and deception using a mixture of positive and negative emotions is well beyond the level of a child.
Burke Ramsey did not write that letter.
This is a Blackburn blog.
(Ad nauseam)
Tom/Sheep/Buckley darlin, the anon who is being rude to you is Alexandra, aka ABB. It doesn't matter how nice you are... if you disagree with her about anything, even respectfully, she'll attack. Like a honey badger.
You know that's right, hahaha.
Alexandra's rambling is way more interesting and mature than your incessant rudeness.
Alexandra seems more like "Juliet" from the Deorr threads; ABB is different animal altogether.
Q: And how did you know I used to post as Buckley?
A: I plainly said so
Arguing U.S. ladies, go! & get your pocket constitution. U must have U.S.husband read it to you so you can learn to be respectful while bloggering. Learn pocket constitution and wear black burka with hijabe. Then come to blog after done with housework.
Alexandra admitted she's ABB in the last Blackburn thread.
Hey Jude used to post as Juliet.
Could you kids quit arguing?!?!? Just stop it!!! I don't want to see this childish behavior anymore. #movealong
I want so badly to point out on his Instagram that he has said "I love _______" about complete strangers or inanimate objects, but has yet to say it about his wife. I'm afraid of the backlash from the NewSpring supporters.
Middle Eastern man I actually just did housework for 2 hours, if I put on black burkha and hijabe can I blogger again with these hyperactive nutjobs?
"I do not believe him. Hiding a poor marriage, hiding same sex attraction, hiding various crimes and misdemeanors, and so on, will not exempt one from the intense fear of the unknown brutal killers on the loose. Blackburn's indifference is well noted."
The things mentioned in that quote are conjecture taken from statements out of context. Having read social media postings from both Amanda and a Davey, there are plenty of statements that tell an opposite story.
I'd have to agree with many that Davey presents himself as a narcissistic douche, but from what we know, there is no evidence to prove him guilty of murdering his wife. Investigators are sure to know much more than any of us, and yet, DB remains free from arrest/charges, and apparently, suspicion.
No hetero asks gay men to "like" their lifestyle, so why do they care if heteros like their lifestyle or find it gross. They can do whatever the hell they want, just don't ask me to think it's not gross, because I do find it gross. It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what they think because it is them doing it. I don't ask any gay person what they think of heterosexual sex, because I could care less. So they need to stop caring about others opinions, because our opinions don't matter if they are happy. I think most people find the thought of gay men being gay disgusting, especially when one becomes informed of just how promiscuous and debased many of them are, many do stuff that is absolutely disgusting with no respect for themselves or their "partners" many often do not even know who their "partner" is and that is how they prefer it....I think it is absolutely f&cked up on so many levels....but I don't care what gay people do just don't ask me to think it's not disgusting.
Davey is most likely gay and he most likely has guilty knowledge of his wife's death. Is there a connection? One debased action leads to another and another, apparently.
Also, don't ask me to be "happy" for gay men. What is there to be happy about? They live a debased life with no potential for happiness? They have anonymous sex in bathroom stalls? They enjoy not even looking at their partner or knowing who their partner is? Oh my God I'm so happy for gay men!!!! Sounds like an awesome life!!!!! If they like that life, that's fine. If they are happy that is great. Why do I need to be happy for them which is what they demand is the world be happy for them?
Furthermore, it just makes no sense. Why does it matter what I think of gay men? I have never once asked gay men what they think of hetero people. Basically I don't think anything about them. If they are nice to me, I"m nice to them just as I would be with any other person.
Thats good advice 'And Furthermore'. Be nice to all.
What if the Ramsey letter was dictated? People are assuming that whoever "wrote" it, is also the creator and there's a possibility, no matter how small, that they are not one in the same.
Lynda, What are you thinking? That Burke created the note and then dictated it to Patsy (who perhaps felt she could do a better job "disguising" the handwriting)? That's an intriguing theory. It entered my mind momentarily earlier today...and then I thought of the pineapple bowl with ONLY Patsy and Burke's fingerprints on it...and the pineapple found in Jonbenet's stomach which she had eaten shortly before her death. Did Patsy and Burke feed her that pineapple?
It is a very intriguing theory.
It is possible. If Burke lacks empathy and Patsy is just pure evil...did they conspire and come up with some unthinkable plan to harm Jonbenet? Why would they have done it? Did they both hate her?
I will be very interested to see how this morning goes. Amanda's family is in town to do Q & A with Davey. What must the family think as they come to his new, fancy house with the pool and fire pit. How must they feel seeing his fancy new car and his live in married roommates. How do they feel about his changed appearance with his rolled up tight pants. seemingly fake tan and change in physique? Also, will the audience see what true grief looks like in contrast to Davey's contrived grief twisted up with constant marketing ploys. It should be a very telling morning. However, I have to remember Amanda's dad let Davey get up and claim Amanda as the second coming of Christ and call his church a bunch of dry bones so who knows.
Bingo3 said...
I will be very interested to see how this morning goes. Amanda's family is in town to do Q & A with Davey. What must the family think as they come to his new, fancy house with the pool and fire pit. How must they feel seeing his fancy new car and his live in married roommates. How do they feel about his changed appearance with his rolled up tight pants. seemingly fake tan and change in physique? Also, will the audience see what true grief looks like in contrast to Davey's contrived grief twisted up with constant marketing ploys. It should be a very telling morning. However, I have to remember Amanda's dad let Davey get up and claim Amanda as the second coming of Christ and call his church a bunch of dry bones so who knows.
On the surface, one could call this superficial and petty.
However, we need to carefully consider post-crime behavior, its impact upon mental health, and how, especially for those in the public eye (in any measurable manner), seek to present themselves.
1 . Flamboyancy is an element of emboldened behavior.
2. Self aggrandizing
3. Increasingly effeminate appearance should be understood in context to his need to persuade of his heterosexual prowess, and in response to the statements of those closest to him, including his mentor.
I do not see Blackburn lasting this out anywhere near as long as Noble did. Noble's crimes are yet reported.
If I had to predict how this ends, it would be with a spectacular fall, truth coming out, and a finality of suicide.
But that is just my guess based upon the profile that the words indicate.
No one knows the future. We simply look at patterns and make predictions.
I think Blackburn has 'crossed over' to a very self-protective mental state, and is empowered by his
"overnight stardom" and intoxicated on his own celebrity. No one is more important to him than himself. It is similar to Hillary Clinton, who is similar, in personality and criminal behavior, to Herman Goering.
She could retire and take care of her declining health with hundreds of millions of dollars, but she won't. She cannot. She is incapable of stopping her greed, her need for control and recognition. It is deeply powerful.
Goering saw the video of Jews being killed and was moved towards tears thinking the world would thank him for his work, while the non Muslim world condemned him.
The blindness within human nature is powerful; even to the point where it declares its own sight.
Peter
It won't end well.
Peter
The stage is set & the family is there. They started at 9:15. Can't wait to see/hear the conversation. Can't wait to see the body language!
"If I had to predict how this ends, it would be with a spectacular fall, truth coming out, and a finality of suicide."
I detest one-word replies, but .....wow!
Andrew Cunanan
Davey won't want to mess up his face.
He'll use poison.
"I think Blackburn has 'crossed over' to a very self-protective mental state, and is empowered by his
"overnight stardom" and intoxicated on his own celebrity. No one is more important to him than himself. It is similar to Hillary Clinton, who is similar, in personality and criminal behavior, to Herman Goering.
She could retire and take care of her declining health with hundreds of millions of dollars, but she won't. She cannot. She is incapable of stopping her greed, her need for control and recognition. It is deeply powerful."
And yet, the masses follow. Happily.
Watching all of John Ramsey's videoed statements on gets a feel for his main persona, an employee of a successful weapons manufacturer who considers himself well above average, intellectually. He's the type who never admits a loss of control, even to those close to him.
I believe he dictated the note to Patsy. It's very "mid-grade spy novel". Just the thing that John would be familiar with. Honestly, go over the note in John's voice. He's responsible for its contents. The principal "crime novel" twists being of course; the open basement window, the garrote murder-scene, the ransom note...
I think he as a dutiful husband, and in acute fear of future consequences, decided early on to cover up his wife's murderous accident which may or may have not looked accidental. He's responsible for the "storyline" of the entire thing. Patsy wrote the letter and played along, as the dutiful wife in their stereotypical domestic tableau. I think she was probably not in her right mind most of the time. Hence her outfit/makeup from the night before. John absolutely did the heavy lifting in the coverup/staging.
If one watches the early interviews with Burke it's obvious that he's not sophisticated enough to have a active part in the murder, or the coverup.
Davey is too narcissistic to kill himself.
According to his Instagram, he's "had a blast" and is in a "happy place."
If Peter's right, the fall will be devastating.
Anonymous Alexandra said...
Lynda, What are you thinking? That Burke created the note and then dictated it to Patsy (who perhaps felt she could do a better job "disguising" the handwriting)? That's an intriguing theory. It entered my mind momentarily earlier today...and then I thought of the pineapple bowl with ONLY Patsy and Burke's fingerprints on it...and the pineapple found in Jonbenet's stomach which she had eaten shortly before her death. Did Patsy and Burke feed her that pineapple?
It is a very intriguing theory.
It is possible. If Burke lacks empathy and Patsy is just pure evil...did they conspire and come up with some unthinkable plan to harm Jonbenet? Why would they have done it? Did they both hate her?
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Actually, I was thinking the opposite. That Patsy dictated to Burke. That would explain why a "child" used phrases that only adults would use I suppose.
What always keeps coming back to me is what the Sheriff said about the murder:
Jon Benet was walloped in the head by something. She laid on that floor (or wherever) for 45 minutes TO AN HOUR, still alive. Then she was strangled to death. NO STRANGER hung around hiding for an hour and then checked to see if she was still alive, and then strangled her when she was found alive.
There are 3 people that could have done that...JOHN PATSY OR BURKE. That's it.
And law enforcement just hasn't been able to figure that out.
Solved overnight. How amazing is that?
Peter said,
"I think Blackburn has 'crossed over' to a very self-protective mental state, and is empowered by his
"overnight stardom" and intoxicated on his own celebrity. No one is more important to him than himself."
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I completely agree that Davey is empowered. I think he feels just about untouchable right now and he is a true sociopathic narcissist.
I do wonder about suicide tho, does anyone know the statistics of just how many true narcissists commit suicide? Wouldn't it be more likely that they turn their rage and impotence on the innocent or the perceived "bad guys?"
Also..I don't feel Davey is becoming more feminine..he's becoming more of his twisted ideal of "masculine." The pumped up muscles (which I would not be surprised if he's had a little steroid help) the body hair growth, the tight clothes to show off the muscles, he's the stereotype of the "he-man". He is but a caricature of a real man.
Davey posted this on his FB on Friday..he's on stage at REsonate it looks like.
Exerpt _
Your life is a, what is it say? Whazziz say?
Your life is a wha? A mist. Watch. (Davey is holding a spray bottle and he pumps the top and a fine mist sprays out.)
That’s it. That’s your life. You, you wanna see it again? Sprays again...looks around.
It’s here...and it’s gone.
So all of the energy that you’re expending, all the 40-50 years that you’re spending trying to build your identity and career, so that you can make sure that you have THAT house, or that car, or that piece of property, or that status level, or that glitz, that glam, that bling..whatever it is, here’s what it is.
Davey gives another spray visual aid demo
It’s here and it’s gone.
Just throwing this out there: Isnt "a small foreign faction" a reference to the movie "Back to the Future"? Didnt a small foreign faction want to steal the professor and Marty's time machine?
Could that movie have been appealling to someone who likes to fly vehicles?
Who would have had the perfect excuse if they had actually been caught in the house (previous to Jonbenet actually being killed)? How about the pilot or his wife? The pilot could have used the excuse "I knew you all were planning to get up at 5:00 am, but I checked on the plane last night and it's got mechanical problems so I wanted to let you all know that. Noone answered the phone, so I figured Id just stop by and leave a note...the front door was open so I just walked in and was going to leave a note or figured I would wake one of you and let you know. The wife could have had the excuse that either she wanted to let them know the plane wasnt working or that the pilot was sick. The pilot's wife referred to Patsy as "a Southern belle" in the interview. Just saying this is just a random thought I had.
Did anyone watch the Q &A this morning with Davey and Amanda's parents? Would love to know how that went, but looks like it won't be posted until Tues. at Resonate's site. I wonder if it will be edited. Someone on Twitter suggested that he do the same with his own parents. Would like to see that too.
I found this old but interesting discussion regarding Burke:
http://www.forumsforjustice.org/forums/showthread.php?10148-Sexual-Behavior-Problems-(SBP)-from-James-Kolar-s-book-about-Ramsey-case
It would seem obvious Burke was a disturbed child, possibly both children were as the grandparents had bought three books to help the parents with the problem behaviours.
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I doubt we will be able to watch the Dr Phil interview soon in the UK unless someone posts it to YouTube.
I do wonder if the parents covered for Burke, and even if none of the the three ever acknowledged that to each other. What if Burke had struck JonBenet with the flashlight (or a golf club, as on a previous occasion) and Patsy has found her mortally injured, after which she wrote the note and staged the scene to create an 'intruder crime' - in order to protect Burke from the knowledge he had caused his sister's death - also in the hope of putting investigators off looking at the family? It was such a bizarre non-sensical crime scene and ransom note. Someone speculated that John may have been ignorant of what had gone on in the night, and only realised what had probably happened as the morning drew on - I found that quite interesting, as it is absurd to think he would have had anything to do with that ridiculous ransom note. What if Burke had accidentally killed JonBenet, and the family covered to protect him, possibly not even acknowledging to one another that Patsy wrote the note and staged the scene?
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Then though, there is the question of the unidentified male DNA on JonBenet's underwear and also on the waistband of her pyjamas. I didn't know it was found in two places - that would rule out it being a sneeze by a factory worker which put it there.
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If the parents had guilty knowledge, even if it was non-specific (say for instance Burke bashed JonBenet with a flashlight or golf club in the basement, then ran up to bed , maybe alerting Patsy on the way), would that affect their ability to give reliable denials, even if it was not either of them who killed JonBenet? The golf clubs were in the basement, and John had the golf clubs removed from the house soon after the crime - maybe he just wanted to play golf.
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That suitcase under the basement window containing the 'adult' Dr Seuss book and semen stained blanket belonging to John Andrew is also of interest - are they all absolutely sure he was not and could not have been there that night?
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Frustrating not to be able to watch Dr Phil when it airs - though hopefully someone might make a transcript.
Head goes round in circles because of the unidentified DNA - that can't be simply discounted, can it? Like, what if there really was an intruder, but Patsy had found JonBenet and mistakenly assumed Burke had done it, so wrote that stupid note to make it look like he hadn't, when really he had not? The garrotte thing - I can't imagine her or John doing that even post-mortem, or Burke - only nine years old. If she found her in that condition, would she even have suspected Burke, and written the note, rather than immediately knowing it was an intruder-crime and dialling 911? Did Patsy even find her... who knew she was in the basement? A stranger would not be so likely as a family member to have wrapped her in a blanket. I think it's one of the strangest cases ever, because of the garrotting and the stranger DNA. Would either of the parents have thought to obtain and plant stranger DNA in JonBenet's clothing? DNA forensics was relatively new then, so that's probably too fantastical a possibility - then again the ransom note was pretty unlikely, too. - it seem as if from an adolescent - though the barbs at John makes it seem more Patsy's work.
Just watched Davey's Week 5: Making the Most of the Mist. He's frenetic! All over the board ~ never wastes a moment to mock Amanda, & make himself center of attention. Downright cocky to his parishioners. #arroganceoverload
Hey Jude, I have wondered something similar...like what if Burke killed Jonbenet and Patsy wrote the note to hide it from even Burke that Burke had been the one who killed her?
One aside: How can the crime scene be called "staged" when the garrote was actually used on Jonbenet?
Where can we read or view the sit down with Amanda's family?
You know what I think is interesting?
The first line of the note where the writer is writing from a plural perspective. The writer does not say "Listen Carefully! I represent a group of individuals". He or she writes "Listen carefully! We are a group of individuals who represent a small foreign faction".
Why?
Is it someone trying to diffuse guilt through the use of "we" or someone trying to seem more powerful than they are?
This is something which might point to Burke as the writer.
A child-like imagination where you can refer to yourself as "we".
If the last time Burke saw Jonbenet was laying down sleeping in the car, is there a possibility Jonbenet received the head injury BEFORE they arrived home. Could she have been pushed out of the moving vehicle by Burke? Or, could Jonbenet have been the only one unbuckled and the father had to slam on the brakes to avoid hitting a car or animal and Jonbenet flew forward hitting the dashboard and her skull was cracked? Or could she have for some reason been hit or run over by the car (cracking her skull)? Could they have tried to cover it up if John had been drinking?
Any thoughts on the red heart drawn on the palm of her hand?
The red heart screams Burke.
The autopsy would have revealed if a car ran over her.
Yeah, well this case makes no sense to me any way I look at it. Except if it was intruder. If Jonbenet was being sexually abused or if in fact she was killed by either parent why the HELL would they have "staged" (except I dont even understand how that could be labelled "staged") such a horrific crime scene. If they killed her the crime scene makes them look hideously evil! They are not dumb people. They knew a ransom letter was not going to get cops off their trail while Jonbenet was dead in the basement. Nothing makes sense except intruder.
It will be posted on ResonateIndianapolis.com on Tuesday.
Alexandra - yes, I should not have used 'staged'. I wish the garrot part was post-mortem, and staged. I just checked the autopsy report and see asphyxiation is cause of death along with the head trauma - poor baby. What if Patsy did it believing JonBenet was already dead from the head injury? The garotte was made with Patsy's paintbrush from her craft box - but who would know where to look for and find a little paintbrush in that messy basement, besides Patsy? Anyone might, while Patsy would.
What do you think of this statement?Purportedly in John's words from their book, Death of Innocence.
"I wondered if, as they walked through the basement, any of the jurors brought up the issue of Burke's red Swiss army knife, which according to the media had been found on the countertop near a sink, just a short distance from where JonBenet's body was found. The implication was that the killer could have used the knife to cut the nylon cord used to tied (sic) JonBenet's wrists together. The cord was also used to make the garrote placed around her neck, which ultimately resulted in her death by strangulation. Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, our cleaning lady, had said on a TV talk show that she thought the issue of the knife was relevant to the murder.
Patsy and I never quite understood why she'd made those statements except that we knew she was mistaken about a number of other issues when she spoke on national television. The truth was that we had no idea where someone might find Burke's knife at any given time; he has a tendency to leave things lying around when he loses interest in them. The knife could have been anywhere in the house. And we had no idea if the knife had any relationship to anything that happened in the crime"
Is it known whether or not the Ramseys were considered to have been using alcohol that evening?
Does he seem to be dismissive of potential evidence in his daughter's murder or making excuses for his son and claiming the knife and Burke had parted ways before the crime?
Why are they being interviewed? Whats the purpose?
I can't believe we have to wait until Tuesday.
Sheep, I find it hard to believe he had "no idea" where Burke's Swiss army knife could be at any given time. You would think that Burke would have had general areas where he would leave the knife, at least certain floors of the house, if not specifically for example, on his dresser in his room. The basement area of their home does not look like a place where kids would often play! Certainly the area where she was found looks pretty dark and foreboding and certainly not a play area.
John Ramsey is extraordinarily even-keeled when he speaks. I saw him interviewed on a talk show once with his new wife, and he came across as very kind, very even-keeled, honest. (This was before I had learned SA though.) But it's just very hard to penetrate into what he is thinking. I do think sometimes in photos he has kind of an evil look in his eye.
My instinct about the ransom letter from the start is that it was written by someone with serious social skills problems...to the degree of aspergers, autism, or something similar. Perhaps it is possible one of the parents suffers from one of these disorders also?
It sinks in more and more how sick Patsy's putting Jonbenet in all those beauty pageants seems to be. Perhaps Patsy has some mental disorder...aspergers or something weird like that where she was not relating normally with Jonbenet...I can't figure it out.
Hey Jude, Yes the autopsy report is very disturbing, and as far as the paintbrush, yes Patsy would certainly have known where it was...it does make one wonder how an intruder would have known it was there...it is one clue that seems to point to Patsy for sure.
Blogger Peter Hyatt said...(from another thread)
PS: I left my comment about Blackburn and suicide on the Blackburn thread. Regarding narcissists, true, they are not often to commit suicide; it only happens when they reach a point of utterly "nothing left." They live for self and when self, as built up and protected, no longer exists, it ends badly, and sometimes violently.
Thanks for the heads up. I am acquainted with a narcissist by marriage. This past summer was the most time I've had to be in his company (my mother-in-law passed away, and they stayed with us). He also suffers from bouts of depression, for which he receives counselling, and he drinks, heavily. In the short time they stayed with us, there was physical destruction (kitchen counter top), verbal outburst and verbal assault, and physical aggression. The man is a hot mess parade. He is a professional (top 1%) and "visible" in a niche industry. He is 60 and closer to retirement than he wants to admit to. From what we witnessed, my sister-in-law's ability to "handle him" means the problems are on-going. Aside from his own counselling, I don't doubt they will need heavy couple counselling when his industry is done with him.
CJ @ 4:52 said:
The affidavit only mentions one CI. That individual tells a detailed account of the three suspect's actions that morning from the point of view of someone who accompanied them. There was speculation early on that Gordon was the CI. His arrest leaves that in question.
I would agree for one reason. The neighbour who reported hearing two gunshots and what sounded like a woman screamed would align with what was “known”. It wasn’t until after Amanda was examined by the doctors at the hospital that she was in fact shot THREE times. It was with this revelation the police returned to the scene and recovered a third bullet lodged under the landing of the stairs.
jmo
Sheep, Re: John Ramsey
Here's John Ramsey speaking about Burke on Anderson Cooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-yZuomuias
The interview is up in different parts on youtube. When I had watched this interview, I thought wow, there is no way this guy could have been involved. YET, he is so even-keeled, you don't really know what he's thinking unless he is just that mild-mannered?!
^^ The above "witness" statement (hearing two gunshots) is why I think that witness needs to be interviewed. 1) No resident in closer proximity heard any gunshot, and 2) her statement matches what was "known" from the crime scene that day.
Natasha Tank Jones could have been instructed to state that she heard two gunshots and "what sounded like a woman scream" at 6:40-6:45am (which would correspond very nicely to the time Davey was seen at the gym).
Yes, only SHE heard anything that morning. Nobody heard Mel barking or Weston crying or any number of gunshots or screaming. Even neighbors who lived closer than Natasha Tank Jones reported nothing.
I dare Davey to post the video of today's interviews with @amandagblackburn's family UNEDITED.
And I would like to hear him explain why he is changing his story every time he tells it.
Very freaky...I came across this while looking through interviews with John Ramsey.
Interview with John Mark Karr
Around 14:00---VERY freaky reaction when he is asked if he has ever been inside the Ramsey home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsaEpDOlva0
After watching the interview, my concerns regarding John Mark Karr have grown stronger. His speech pattern seems to me to be compatible with the speech patterns in the note. Also the way he likes to go in depth on simple questions and focus in on details...the whole "make sure you have an adequate attache, the writer of the ransom note's love for details seems eerily similar to John Mark Karr's detailed speech when asked simple questions.
If anyone watches the interview, please tell me if you see (hear) what I am saying about John Mark Karr being detailed in his speech like the ransom note writer.
His demeneanor is very creepy, his reactions to being asked if he was ever in the home. The creep factor on this guy is VERY high...I'm not sure what to think but do not feel reassured of his innocence after watching the interview.
Alexandra at 12:32:
I just went to your link and watched the whole thing. I think that might be the absolute creepiest interview I have ever seen. WHAT IS THAT GUY HIDING???? The whole interview is creepy but the last 2 and a half minutes literally gave me the chills - I still feel like all my hair is standing on end, like a spooked cat - I am not kidding. Oh my GOSH!!!
Something to consider about the Ramsey household. It was reported they had undergone renovations before Christmas. So unknown footprints in the basement, an 'unknown" piece of rope in JonBenet's bedroom (she could have been given from any one of the trades), a "pubic hair" that didn't test positive for either parent could have easily been introduced by trades workers working in the home. If anyone has undergone renos, trades frequently travel floors between their workplace and the electrical panel, i.e., the blanket could have picked up the pubic hair from the floor anywhere in the basement prior to JonBenet having been wrapped in it.
Fibres matched that were found in the suitcase and what was on JonBenet. If someone attempted to secret her out the window, it could be it was the suitcase that wouldn't go out the window. The Ramsey's could not be seen packing luggage into the vehicle the night before and then have her coincidentally discovered in a piece of their luggage. What if someone walking their dog reported they saw the Ramsey's packing luggage into their car that night?
That there was a spider's web is neither here nor there, they spin webs within hours. I would like to know if the suitcase could be packed out through the window.
jmo
Blogger Nic said...
CJ @ 4:52 said:
The affidavit only mentions one CI. That individual tells a detailed account of the three suspect's actions that morning from the point of view of someone who accompanied them. There was speculation early on that Gordon was the CI. His arrest leaves that in question.
I would agree for one reason. The neighbour who reported hearing two gunshots and what sounded like a woman screamed would align with what was “known”. It wasn’t until after Amanda was examined by the doctors at the hospital that she was in fact shot THREE times. It was with this revelation the police returned to the scene and recovered a third bullet lodged under the landing of the stairs.
jmo
September 11, 2016 at 11:45 PM
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Hi Nic,
I was responding a poster who said that Watson and Gordon, along with a third person (CI) had implicated Taylor in Amanda's murder. There are no public records indicating that this is the case.
A good reason to believe that the CI is Gordon is because the CI's narrative includes minute details of the cell phone activity in the car while driving to get cash from the ATM, and lacks details (except hearing from Watson) of what happened inside the Blackburn residence, the only house that the CI says that Gordon did not enter. The CI narrative doesn't mention any times (and as it is a second-hand account generated by the detective who interviewed the CI, it can't be considered a statement for analysis).
I don't follow your connection to the neighbor. I don't know why the neighbor who heard the two gunshots and a woman screaming didn't call 911. Maybe the first shot woke her up, and when the noise stopped she convinced herself that she was imagining things.
Yes, Natasha Tank Jones
- "heard two gunshots and what sounded like a woman scream"
- was awake and alert enough to note the exact time
- yet did not call 911
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@7:03,
Youre not kidding! John Mark Karr is hiding something!
I think he HAS been in the Ramsey home! That smile he gets when asked if he's ever been there says it all! Also, I dont hear John's "voice" in the ransom note, nor do I hear Patsy's voice in the note. BUT John Mark Karr's way of speaking REMINDS ME OF THE NOTE! Also, note his ingratiating attitude towards Boulder.,,taking pains to make sure Boulder understands how much he still loves the city so the city's "feelings" wont be hurt. Cant you hear that same bizarre "concern" for John in the note? Both towards his feelings and his physical well-being? "Be rested...bring adequate size attache." "We respect your business"!!!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKOB79shpbV/
Davey and @amandagblackburn's family are sitting on couches at Resonate like it's the f-Ing Tonight Show
Also regarding John Mark Karr, if he was hiding in the Ramsey home for hours waiting for the family to arrive home, he may have written the ransom note to amuse himself. He may have imitated Patsy's writing to amuse himself. Or because he was pretending that he was a kidnapper just as a way to amuse himself and pass the time. Obviously, there are probably more psychologically astute reasons why he may have done so, but maybe pretending he was there to "kidnap" was a way to pass the time and express aggression towards John and Patsy while also including "concern" for John's feelings. It is crystal clear he has no problem with that type of contradiction...where he obviously has hurt the city of Boulder (even if merely through a false confession of such a grievous crime) while still attempting to "care" for the city's "feelings". The psychological profile of the letter writer exists in John Mark Karr!
Thanks for the fresh insight Peter on Davey's behavior and the family's acceptance of it all. I can't imagine how they still support and embrace him.
FYI, Davey's calling his latest vacations "writing retreats". Is the fancy house with the big office not enough retreat for him to write His Story? He must take trips to Chicago and beach resorts to write. Poor Little Weston.
Nic, you are wrong about Natasha Tank Jones reporting what was "known." Amanda was carted out of the house at 8:44. The detective who went to the hospital (Kepler) arrived at 9:01 and learned Amanda was shot three times. Kepler then obtained a warrant and removed items from the home. THEN that SAME detective canvassed the neighborhood along with other detectives. That is when Jones was questioned. Kepler had already learned of the three gunshots at that point. It's in the affidavit, plain as day.
There is only one house between the Blackburn and Jones homes. Therefore, only two homes are "closer" to the Blackburn home than Jones. We don't know if they were home when Amanda was shot, or maybe they were but didn't open the door when police knocked. Maybe they are heavy sleepers and heard nothing.
I know some of you are desperate to discredit Jones because what she reported doesn't fit your fantasy that Davey shot Amanda and the poor thugs are innocent, but you can't dream up a theory then pick and choose which evidence matches your theory. That's no different than reaching a conclusion then trying to use SA to fit your "analysis." It doesn't work that way.
Also, many black people don't like to call police if they don't absolutely HAVE to. That is fact. Google it if you don't believe me.
During Amanda's AUTOPSY, when only two bullets were found, THAT'S when police returned to the home to search for the third bullet. You are wrong that they returned to find the bullet after Amanda was examined. It was after her autopsy.
Correction: Kepler got the warrant, Clark removed the items.
Either way, Kepler had already learned of Amanda's three gunshot wounds when he and other detectives questioned neighbors.
Alexandra said...
Also regarding John Mark Karr, if he was hiding in the Ramsey home for hours waiting for the family to arrive home, he may have written the ransom note to amuse himself. He may have imitated Patsy's writing to amuse himself. Or because he was pretending that he was a kidnapper just as a way to amuse himself and pass the time. Obviously, there are probably more psychologically astute reasons why he may have done so, but maybe pretending he was there to "kidnap" was a way to pass the time and express aggression towards John and Patsy while also including "concern" for John's feelings. It is crystal clear he has no problem with that type of contradiction...where he obviously has hurt the city of Boulder (even if merely through a false confession of such a grievous crime) while still attempting to "care" for the city's "feelings". The psychological profile of the letter writer exists in John Mark Karr!
September 12, 2016 at 1:13 PM
Even though John Mark Carr was not in Boulder, nor even in Colorado at the time of the murder,
he remains, forever, "Captain High Pants" in our hearts.
The most fascinating thing about John Mark Carr is not the pedophile school teacher, but the DA's rush to hold a self-congratulatory press conference which revealed their own desire to clear the Ramsey parents.
The analysis shows John and Patsy Ramsey both with guilty knowledge of the death of Jonbenet.
The Grand jury indictment said the same thing.
There is not much mystery left in the case.
Peter
Hap-Hap-Happier than Danny f*#%ing Kay tap dancing.
He tried writing while on his flamingo pool float, but the damn paper kept getting wet! Surprised he didn't go to Hawaii to his "writing retreat." I guess he's a "worldly traveler," since Amanda "wasn't."
Well put Peter and lol about "Captain high pants". Your SA of Patsy's interrogation was very compelling as far as indicating Patsy wrote the note and was involved in the homicide. I think part of what still seems mysterious is wanting to know who exactly killed her (John or Patsy?) and what exactly caused the 8 inch skull fracture while not breaking the skin. The leading theory out there seems to be the flashlight caused it, but I am skeptical as to whether the weight and size of the flashlight could have caused that length os skull fracture while also not breaking the skin. Also the staged crime scene I wonder why would they have strangled her. I guess just who exactly killed her and what they hit her on the head with. I guess just wondering what exactly happened.
I find it interesting that Davey has been addressing what people are saying about him. . Twitter has been really heating up on him in the last few weeks so I guess he felt the need to talk about it. This is what he had to say:
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/what-happens-to-you-when-you-die-week-5-making-the-most-of-the-mist/
41:56 “You know I had a lady come up to me one time after the service and she was like I googled your name and I said oh dear god(pauses for a long time, rolls eyes shakes head) Have you ever google me before? (Asks his congregation)uh-uh. She said this she said people are saying some very not nice stuff about you. I was like well thank you (laughs an angry laugh) that’s very affirming now I am gonna go preach again. She was like people don’t like you. I was like what you got to understand like there is a little slither of people that just happen to be the loudest and they think people care about what they have to say but they live these really, really, really despondent, depressed lives and they don’t have any fulfillment themselves and it’s really sad but they have to troll on other people’s lives and they have to try to pour salt in the wound. They have these conspiracy theories that everything is this drama tv stuff and they're just miserable and misery loves company. I thought about not telling our people about this. On because I don’t want you googling or racing all this stuff down but I also thought I am a pastor and a shepherd and I probably better tell our people how we should respond to that and the bible tells us how we should respond." 43:16
He talks about conspiracy theories and drama tv stuff. Very interesting. What are thoughts guys? I wish he hated the alleged killers as much he hates those who question him.
What is hateful about what he said, bingo? Compared to the hateful things that have been said about him by you, others here, Twitter, etc., his comments seem pretty mild.
Do you expect him to like you? Say lovely things about you?
Sore Thumb said:
Nic, you are wrong about Natasha Tank Jones reporting what was "known." Amanda was carted out of the house at 8:44. The detective who went to the hospital (Kepler) arrived at 9:01 and learned Amanda was shot three times. Kepler then obtained a warrant and removed items from the home. THEN that SAME detective canvassed the neighborhood along with other detectives. That is when Jones was questioned. Kepler had already learned of the three gunshots at that point. It's in the affidavit, plain as day.
Actually, Amanda had four gunshot wounds. One to the head, two in the back upper (through and through) and one in the left forearm. The through and through bullet is what was missing. The two in the back could appear as one given the amount of blood and location of the entry. The left-forearm was not seen (against the floor).
I don't believe I am. Not.One.Single.Neighbour on either side of the Blackburn's or behind (and not two doors down, all the way to Jones' house) heard gunshots.
She only heard two. The PC said she was awake in bed. Not sleeping. As another posted above, she did not call 911. She said she heard two gunshots and "what sounded like" a woman scream. She was positive about the gunshots, but not necessarily about a woman screaming but she did not call 911.
The third bullet was not recovered until "later" -- after she was autopsied. Reporters reported on LE returning the house the next day
"a bullet hole was later discovered in the base of the stairwell. A lead bullet was recovered from under the stairs."
My supposition fits.
I just don't understand the lack of anger toward the killers. He shows disgust toward those who question his super odd behavior but speaks so compassionately about people who walked into his house and beat up and shot his wife execution style. It doesn't add up.
@4:30, Davey doesnt deny having involvement with Amands's murder. Evil people will always pathologize those who criticize, accuse, or even display symptoms of having been effected by the evil person's evil actions. If Davey could somehow speak to Amanda he would not acknowledge what he did while simultaneously telling her she should "get over it". Davey is shameless like all evil people. He is simply trying to control people's perception of him by stating to his congregation that anyone who criticizes him or finds his behavior suspicious is just a miserable person. Satan is real and will whisper any number of justifications into the perp's ear to get them to ignore any criticism of them. In Davey's case, the devil is telling him that those who accuse him are "miserable". Also, in a sense, it's a projection as those who get away with very evil actions, suffer from a deep misery and seek fake happiness like in the form of pool, big house, cosmetic improvements.
Uh, Nic, the "through-and-through" back wound is one wound. It went THROUGH. They found that bullet in the stairs. Plus one bullet in her head and one in her arm. Your supposition still doesn't fit. You were claiming police thought Amanda had only been shot twice when they interviewed neighbors. You're wrong.
As usual, you won't admit you have your facts wrong. Now you're fabricating that she was shot four times. Good grief.
And why are you acting like I didn't know the third bullet was found after the autopsy when I'm the one that told you that? Lol.
Actually, the pc affidavit NOT say Jones was awake. It just says she was in bed. Nic needs to read the affidavit.... slower this time.
Re: Davey saying those who criticize him think everything is conspiracy and drama TV stuff...that is another tactic of evil people is to play dunb about what theyve done and act like other people must be crazy or over dramatic to think they could possibly have done something terrible. Evil people have a very overblown sense of how well they have fooled everyone. I think they become overly confident from having gotten away with smaller lies/crimes. However, some of their "Im sure I have everyone fooled" mentality is difficult to explain--often it seems like they are convinced other people cant put two and two together...I think evil people have a delusional sense of how "clever" they actually are.
To clarify, Sore Thumb, when I say "known", I'm not talking about what LE knew when interviewing witnesses for their respective reports. I'm talking about who was in the house and saw Amanda before DB arrived home. Information that could have been shared.
No sore thumb, you're not understanding me correctly. The through-and-through is one wound, but it has an entrance and ext (two holes). By APPEARANCES, she had four holes in her body. Only the autopsy revealed the upper back was through and through.
I'm done reasoning with you. You can't have a civil discussion, so you're not worth the effort. You feel confident in your assumption, it doesn't change what I think.
@5:46, right and it doesn't say she was sleeping.
Troll.
Nic, you said the affidavit said she was AWAKE. LIAR. I'd rather be a troll than a LIAR.
That sermon is real insight into Davey's thinking, isn't it?!? Especially at the beginning, when he's not getting the response/attention he so desperately wants & needs. He goes in the "back door" to make it seem as if he's changed & learned to be insightful & deep since Amanda's murder, but the narcissist in him still comes out. It all ends up being about him. Like when he talked about having more likes on his Instagram, Twitter & FB, then says it doesn't "fulfil." Then why'd you make those all public figure pages? So you can see how much attention you're getting, that's why, Davey! Caught the whole "pregnant with Evie," his imaginary baby girl. Just has to throw that in there so he'll garner sympathy. Wonder what happened to RC going into the "dark corners of Indy" to help those in need. Was supposed to be every other Saturday, but has only happened once. I also thought it was very telling when he said "If I had know I only had 3 Hun, 3,694 days, or whatever number was just up there, with Amanda..." Hmmm...Sounds like that was really important to you, Davey. 🙄 He really should do a better job in finding out about this "small sliver of people that are miserable, unhappy, depressed, etc..." I'm not unhappy in any way, shape, or form. Maybe I should send him postcards when I'm at our cabins, our home in town, or from Ireland while I'm there for 2 weeks. Sorry, Davey! My life is WAY better than yours!! I have no intention of having my husband murdered. Because I love him! Too bad you despised Amanda. She deserved far better. (You know he follows all of us!)
You're right, I did say it said that and I that was wrong of me. I am so, so, so0oo000ooooo, very, for misleading you!!
She was in bed, heard two shots and what she thought was a woman scream. I *assumed* (how terrible of me!) she was awake, because not only could she report these events (more than one gunshot and what she thought was a woman scream,) she also marked the time! What the heck! The PC does not say she was awake! How could this be true! It does not say she was awake!!!!!! Gees Louise. So you are right, the PC does not say she was awake....but it does not say she was sleeping!!! So what oh what are we to believe! (Clutches pearls in despair.) I will never understand!!!
Please be respectful to everyone on this thread. Even if you don't agree. There is no room for name calling or sarcasm. After all, sarcasm is just buried anger. It's unpleasant for those of us interested in the case.
That's cute, Nic, but maybe you should stop saying things that aren't true. You do it a lot but never acknowledge it. I'm not talking about opinions, I'm talking about statements like "the affidavit says [fill in the blank].... crap you're just totally making up. Like that Jones was reporting "what was known." You're full of it, and your little game of trying to turn it around on me is a huge fail.
Hey Davey, if you can forgive the "guys" that brutally murdered your wife and unborn child while your 15 month son was in his crib, why can't you forgive the depressed, despondent, miserable sliver? It should be a no brainier. Why tell your "people" anything? They should know that forgiveness and understanding is the only way to respond. Nothing is wasted, right? Oh, btw, everything you get is exactly what you would have asked for, if you knew what God knows. So you're welcome.
Next time you're at gauntlet, you can look out at the sea of faces and maybe God will speak to your heart and say " Davey, what if the sliver had something like this?" Who knows? You may even meet someone who puts you two arms lengths relationally with the sliver. Maybe you can share the gospel with the sliver. Wouldn't that be a kick in the nuts for satan? You narcissistic, sociopathic hypocrite.
PS. Not even a whisper of a reliable denial on the "conspiracy theories" eh? POS.
OMG!!!! THANK YOU for this humorous, yet insightful post! 😂😂😂
Why does it seem like many of these posts are one person talking to themselves under various names?
Anyone know if Part 1 of Dr Phil/Burke interview is online? I looked but didnt see it.
I've been rereading the Affadavit of PC.
How did LE know what had been stolen from the Blackburn residence?
Sore thumb, I state my opinion. I am always very clear about this.
CJ, LE visited/interviewed DB in the hospital. Remember he said he was (paraphrasing) taking mental pictures of things out of order, etc., while waiting for emergency responders to arrive?
CJ, That did sound like a bit of a backtrack didn't it. (Levi interview.) He made a big deal about putting that out in the public forum:
Y- jus y-world it’s just like it freezes and goes in fast forward all at the same time. And um, and so I’m I’m panicking, but, but going “okay” thinking that something had just gone wrong with the pregnancy. Maybe. Uh, that, that everything was going to be fine if we could just get Amanda to the hospital. Um, (so you’re calling 911) Calling 911 trying tuh (praying) Exactly. The -all- the whole thing, the whole time the only thing I could do was “dear Jesus, please. Dea-dear Jesus please. Dear Jesus, please.” (And it’s bubbling up from within you.) Exactly. Exactly. And so I remember um, the E-the EMS got there, um, and I felt completely out of control. (So you thought this was a premature birth or some sort of event.) I thought som, yup exactly. I thought something was going on. But while I was sitting there with her waiting for the paramedics, I sa - my mind was taking snapshots of things in the room that were out of place. And so I remember being able to recall that later when the investigators came and asked me about what was going on you know wha-how I found her.
Note
"i sa - my mind..."
"And so"
**missing time and offering a reason why.
Do you think that is the delay everyone is wondering about? What did he see?
Nic, saying things are in the affidavit when they're not is not expressing an opinion, it's twisting facts. Go back a read what you said. You're not fooling anyone. I'm sure you'll keep trying, though, lol.
I could say that the affidavit says Amanda shot herself, then claim it's just my opinion when someone points out that's not what the affidavit says, but I would still be full of $hit, just like you :)
See how that works?
The affidavit says Amanda Blackburn was killed by aliens in 2005. JMO, IMO, IMHO, MOO!
The affidavit says Davey Blackburn was doing naked cartwheels in the cul-de-sac when the police arrived. That's my opinion so you can't argue with it!!!!!
peter said
"Even though John Mark Carr was not in Boulder, nor even in Colorado at the time of the murder,
he remains, forever, "Captain High Pants" in our hearts.
The most fascinating thing about John Mark Carr is not the pedophile school teacher, but the DA's rush to hold a self-congratulatory press conference which revealed their own desire to clear the Ramsey parents.
The analysis shows John and Patsy Ramsey both with guilty knowledge of the death of Jonbenet.
The Grand jury indictment said the same thing.
There is not much mystery left in the case."
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Exactly. I shudder to think what possible crimes that freak actually has done but he wasn't involved with JBR murder.
Alonzo seems to be having some sort of existential crisis..
Alonzo Duguoise Bull
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Crazy sittin here thinkin I got niggaz I'll never see again ! Family I'll never talk to again ! DEATH IS REAL ! THIS LIFE DOE ! Idk if I'm dreaming or not . When I dream it feel just as real as this life so am I just sleep right now dreaming and when I wake up is the day I die ??? My mind be everywhere I be wanting to know shit #neighborhood #iDo
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Alonzo Duguoise Bull
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Where the percs or the Zans HMU need 10 or more of either or
Alonzo Duguoise Bull
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Follow me ona snap man ! big6-0
Alonzo Duguoise Bull
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A nigga make a stat WHO CAN I TAKE OUT SPEND THE WHOLE DAY WITH AN JUST MAKE YOUR DAY 😍😍😍 !! An a thousand bitches like , a nigga make a stat about God an mfs just look past it ! Smh gone head be ashamed ! He gone be the same way too ! #GodFearingMan
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Alonzo Duguoise Bull
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I'm not gone act like I got it when I DNT I ain't gone lie I run up a check but niggaz spend like rock stars bitch I could be 10,000 up then next month only have 1,000 but next week have ,5000 !! DNT pocket watch you'll never know what I got just know I'm not broke I'm not rich I just know how to hustle 💪🏽😎
Donae's talking too...you have to wonder what she means when she says "who took what charges"
Donae Mitchell
Yesterday at 3:52pm ·
Pleaseeeee stop sending me stuff about my kids father. PLEASE! I've tried and tried. I gave my all to a man who promised me forever. The end of last year and the beginning of this year we did great... That's how Logan was born. All this other shit is new because he's never blatantly disrespected me until now or when it got hot outside. My kids WILL NOT be around ANY of the sluts he messes with and I don't care who feels what way. I don't care what or who that boy is doing or who took what charges or who gave who what. God blessed me with these babies and it just means I have to go a little harder for them. I'm cool with that. Let him have his fun. I'm done being y'all entertainment ✌😘 #NoMoreBdPost Well unless he does something exemplary!
First part of Davey's Q & A with Amanda's parents up now...I am doing transcription. Check back soon...
Well it seems Jean Paul Sartre's got nothing on Alonzo Bull. I'll have to steady myself after reading those profoundly mind-bending thoughts of his.
Donnae, sweetie, no you dont have to comment on his sluts. Sweetheart, you know how to form complete sentences unlike braindead Alonzo, time to move on from that dumbass. Im sure he SUCKS in bed anyway with his handfuls of percs. He's a real moron honey, and you're gorgeous. Kick his dumbass to the curb!!! The sooner you get him out of your life the sooner you make space for someone much better!
Alonzo, There's something called punctuation you might want to brush up on. Also our language oftentimes contains sentences consisting of a noun--verb--direct object structure. Your dribble is hard to read and your thoughts are painfully moronic. Also is way too good for you. Dumb and drugged out is not what women look for.
Alonzo, your emoticons are badass.
Your sentence structure is horrific.
Your thoughts are nauseating.
Alonzo please stop thinking.
Donae Mitchell does not have one spelling mistake or grammatical issues in her facebook post Alonzo. Your post is a grammatical trainwreck rife with spelling mistakes, incorrect verb tenses and flat-out mutilated sentences.
September 4th transcript is updated. Creative storytelling about Amanda carefree and belly-laughing on their final Monday night together. Also, a need to persuade that everything was hunky dory between him and Amanda:
"I’m so glad that there were some really good peace har, peaceful harm-uh, harmonious times, right before leading up to her death."
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/942016-what-happens-when-you-die-week-5.html
Thanks for transcribing lynda and Bingo!
Alonzo did u have a dream you bought formula and pampez for your kids? Musta been dream cuz homeboyz kidz dont need food. Be like we dont need food. Are you dreamin daddy I dont need food just find more bitches!
Fuck these irresponsible fathers babbling about their asinine thoughtz!
Find more bitches and percs and pleaze tell us your thoughtz about deep shit. Dont buy formula or pampez cauze you flyin high on percs and gonna make sum bitch so happy all day with your crappy lovin.
Davey has told two different versions of the morning of Monday November 9.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-morning-of-monday-november-9-2015.html
"Thank God for Pokemon."
Omg, that cracked me up!
Who is pokemon? I never heard of her. Friend of Bull?
Transcription of Sept 11 service with Amanda's parents and sister Amber.
Davey comes out and talks about what is coming up in the next series (which is about knowing a girls heart..yikes) He explains how special today is and he asked Amanda’s sister and her parents to come and sit down and answer questions that people are texting in.
Today is actually um, 10 months to the day that Amanda has passed. And so it’s a very special day, um, it’s hard to believe 10 months has,has passed, uh, um, so, some seems like an eternity and some of it seems like its gone really quick, and so, um, what I wanted to do is I wanted to do on today was to commemorate, the series to commemorate today and to help YOU if maybe you’re going thru some kind of grief,loss, tragedy, uh, pain, suffering, anything in your life so just talk about what God’s word says about this from multiple vantage points, so here’s what I need your help doin’....can you guys help welcome Amber, Phil, and Robin to the stage, c’mon let’s give a big Resonate welcome (Davey is talking so fast here he sounds like a deranged carnival ringmaster)
Applause…
There are 2 couches set up on stage. Davey sits down on the first couch BEFORE they enter so he is not standing as they come on stage. Amber, Mom and Dad. Amber sits next to Davey on his couch, Mom and Dad take the second couch.
D: Fantastic, it is an honor to have you guys here, an honor to have you guys here, so their gonna be um, sharing a microphone so you might even get to see like, marriage counseling happen right here as they’re fightin’ over the microphone and stuff but, um, here’s what I want you to know, I want you to know somethin’ that this is really a treat for me, uh, because I absolutely love this family, um, it’s just, it’s an unbeliev, unbelievable family to be a part of and uh, this started by saying, okay let’s have Dad come and do Q & A with me, and he and I could talk about what it looks like to, to, lose a daughter, lose a wife, and, and I was like, well let’s broaden the perspective a little bit an, an, maybe get some, some girls perspective in here as well, and so, decided to have Mom and then, Amber writes, and she puts stuff up on facebook and people go nuts over it , and so I was like, man, let’s get Amber up here as well because everybody loves hearin’ her perspective, she and Amanda were unbelievably close, um, if you have, if you have sisss, if you have a sister and you decide you’re gonna do a double wedding with your sister, you’re okay with sh, sharing your special day, you’re really close with your sister, and so, um, I wanted to have all of them up here an, and, the thing you need to know about these guys is they are just unbelievable men and women of God.
Um, Dad pastors a church in Elkhart Indiana, um, they all their stuff is online you can go listen to his messages, they’re unbelievable and the, the, thing ya gotta know about that is that his kids choose to go to his church.
That’s how, that’s how incredible he is..
Phil interrupts: Yeah, I make em go
Davey: laughing, “you pay em and thats uh, that’s that’s the secret that nobody knows, but uh, um, here’s what I wanna do, I wanna jump into your questions because we don’t have a ton of time, and I wanna, I’m probably gonna spend the day deferring to them, like hey what do you guys think about that, so..let’s go ahead and put the first question up, you’re gonna see it onscreen, we’re gonna see it right here, uhm, It says this, it says,
“How do you stay close as a family in the midst of your loss.”
Davey: How do you stay close as a family in the midst of your loss. It’s a really good question so…anyone wanna take that?
Phil: Well, since I’m the big poppa in the middle of this whole thing..um
Davey interrupts...Patriarch
P: Can I just..we’re gonna just be dead level honest right?
D: That’s fine that’s what we, that’s how we roll here
P: I don’t really know.
D: small smirk and snort
continued...
P: Because we’ve never walked this road before and I never had to deal with the kind of pain that we’ve had or the loss that we’ve had, and so, um, every days new. I, um, I feel a little scrambled at times , and I feel a little um, like, I’m nervous all the time. That we, um, that we steward this well as a family. Uh, because my biggest fear is that, and I’ll just say this between you and me (he’s gesturing with his hand back and forth from himself to Davey) my biggest fear is…
D: Interrupts...And the couple hundred people there
P: Yeah, but I’m not talkin’ to them (he waves his hand dismissively at the audience) right now but, argh, argh, my biggest fear (Davey laughing) is that you and I, um, will somehow drift..
D: Yeah
P: Apart. Because um, the blood isn’t there yet now, okay so, I’m tryin’ ta, ke, keep the blood, that we are, we are to , we are blood, and we are in , and we are always in no matter what. That’s kinda the hardest thing for me and when I think one of our biggest fears, and then, um, what’s been odd for us I think, is that every one of us, this is something I’ve observed, everyone of us deals with grief in a totally different (Davey: yeah) way.
D: Yeah, and I think that, I think that’s okay, that’s okay for people to understand like…
P: Totally
D: Everyones gonna deal with it differently, and what’s interesting is when people try to tell you how you should deal with grief. They kinda give you, like this is how you should walk thru this and it’s like, well you’re not in my context, you’re not in my situation, you’re not in my season, and so we’re all going to deal with it differently you know, so go ahead..no..keep, keep goin, I just wanted to make sure that…(he’s talking to Phil who hands the mic to Robin)
Robin: I will share, the first few weeks, it was really difficult, uh, um, (she is beginning to cry, Phil puts his arm around her)
I remember walking up and hugging Amber and she was half alive. And we have always been a tight family where we have received like love and affection and encouragement from one another, and I was very worried in the beginning. And what I realized was we were all in so much pain and I remember her telling me the first couple weeks, “Mom, I feel like the Blackburns are, um, filling me and feeding me right now.” (Robin gives a sigh where it seems like she is exasperated or something)
And it hurt me a little bit but I got it because we were all in such, a level of pain that we had never experienced before so, we’ve recovered from that and um, we’re growing in that and it’s getting a lot better.
D: yeah..right
Amber: Ummm..probably the thing for me, (clears her throat, taps her chest, she’s choking up) is just staying current with each other too. Something that means probably the most to me is DAvey calls, he called Gavin and I the other night, Gavin and I were watching TV, he just put him on speakerphone and you just talked to us about where you were at that day and that week, and I think sometimes, not knowing how you’re doing, or not knowing how you guys feel (she gestures to her parents) um...right after it happened, probably a month or two in, I went to your office (gestures to dad) just to say hi to you and I was like, “Hey Dad, what are you doing.” and he’s like, c’mon in and we sat down and he’s like, “How are you? LIke how are you really doing?” And, I don’t think it’s like, weird sometimes because we’re all dealing with it and it’s, it’s, part of our everyday life but, yet, we don’t sit down and necessarily talk thru our feelings about it all the time (nervous laugh) And we’re that type of a family.
Um, growing up we were, not forced, but we would have family meetings about everything…
Davey interrupting: Family meetings (he brings down his fist)
continued..
A: We just talked thru everything that was going on and we stayed current, thru thru, everything.
Um, but that meant so much to me and I said Dad, I don’t feel like we sit and actually talk about it , I don’t know how James is doing some days and how Davey is, but for some reason, thru the last 10 months, I feel like its gotten just better and better.
And I don’t know if we just feel more comfortable talking about it or we’re getting thru it and it’s getting a little bit easier to talk thru it, but I, I always wanted, well, I thank you all the time (gestures to DAvey) but I love that Davey keeps us all in the loop with just how we’re all feeling it. It really helps me and it helps me feel connected to our family. All the time. It’s wonderful, so..
Phil: I think the key is, and especially for you heads of homes, um, you gotta be in intentional, you’ve gotta be thinking ahead and saying okay, what are some milestones in the next couple a months. We’ve gotta get everybody together, we’ve gotta pull everyone in, we gotta ask how they are.
One of our, in the last 11 months er, how many months? 10 months? (He looks at Amber)
D: 10 months. Today yeah..
P: Uh, one of the best times we had we all just decided to go to dinner. We’d make, we gotta babysitter for all the kids, and um, so the adults we just all went to dinner. It was, it was a very sad time because there was an obvious empty chair at the table at the restaurant, but we got this back room at this nice restaurant, and we just sat and talked for a couple of hours. We just talked about what was happening, and we got deep, and so I think being intentional is part of the importance of staying close…
D: Yeah
P: Because you can drift, and when, when you drift, and it’s painful, sometimes you just don’t want to talk about it , and then as time goes on you just, you just get farther and farther apart. And that’s, you cannot, we cannot allow that to happen uh, with the family so..
D: Right , right
D: Yeah, what I think Jesus wants in your life, in our life, is healing not callouses.
Right? He doesn’t just want you to get calloused to the pain and, and kinda push it away, but actually to step into it. We talked about running towards the roar. Right, step into things that are hard. Even conversations that are hard tha a little bit awkward.
This is only 10:03 of transcription!! It took me over and HOUR and A HALF! Omg. There is almost an hour left on the "sermon" Good Lord.
If somebody wants to step in at 10:03 that doesn't have to go to bed now..be my guest. Otherwise, I will pick up tomorrow in the AM.
Phil: Well, since I’m the big poppa in the middle of this whole thing..um
Did he plan it?
dead level honest
That's an interesting phrase.
What does "dead level" honest mean?
A dead person lying on the floor or someone lying there dying?
we are blood, and we are in , and we are always in no matter what.
They share the guilt.
He doesn’t just want you to get calloused to the pain and, and kinda push it away, but actually to step into it
Step into what? Your pile of bullshit Davey?
lynda, I'm copying your notes over to my transcript blog so they don't get buried in the comments here http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/09/9112016-family.html?m=1
Phil: "my biggest fear is that you and I, um, will somehow drift apart"
NOW it makes sense.... Amanda's brother James did NOT become a pastor like daddy, so Phil sees Pastor Davey as special.
When do you become interested in SA?
It should say when did you become interested in SA?
Oh God, do I need to respond to a man who writes "What u up to later?"
Everything inside me that ever once contained a spark of life is slowly dying.
Especially with this idiot...only comes out at night like some kind of raccoon.
Knowing I will just end up dying alone, and even bitterness doesn't suit me. I curse myself for the spunky persona I put on everyday, for the futile enslavement to hope, when there is nothing to hope for. Watching others cling to insipid New Age sentiments, when we are all adrift in a heartless ocean of meaninglessness.
Why did I ever even give up drinking? At least there, there is an illusion with sparkle. Perhaps that's all there is in this cold barren life.
I understand how Amanda felt being with a snotty little bitch of a man. A virtual black hole. An oppressive oaf. A pathetic excuse for masculinity.
Maybe I'm just done. Done with men. Done with their selfishness. Done with their self-centeredness. Done with the way they suck the joy and pleasure out of life. Who the f-ck needs it?
Amanda was beautiful, kind and patient and where did it get her with a pathetic little bitch of a man in love with noone but himself, draining every ounce of Amanda's strength and happiness?
There are way too many men like that, straight or gay, does it matter when the end result is having a queer of a man suck the life right out of you?
I thought men were supposed to be strong. That is a lie told to women as they grow up. Men are nothing but useless babies who expect to be catered to like toddlers in a high chair in every way--physically emotionally, and it's never good enough.
MEN SUCK. Maybe good to have fun with or have as friends but as far as committing to one of these apes. Never again. I have never met anyone weaker than men. EVER!
They are whining little babies. Whine whine whine fuckin whine. And the fact that they spend their time on facebook posting memes is so friggin unmanly in every way shape and form. The men walking around nowadays should be in dresses.
Davey you are disgusting and your chatty little love-fest with Amanda's family is disgusting.
Crazy Davey: "had a blast hanging with family..."
A blast. Really?
Nice from someone whose wife was murdered by gunshot. Leakage, taunting or just devoid of empathy?
You would think a man would want to make a woman happy as part of his masculinity. It's so sad to think of the time Ive wasted with men who were so selfish that it was literally ridiculous. At least the last one was better in many ways until he turned crazy. I think from growing up in an abusive home, "awful" seemed normal. All I can do from here is move forward. Theres no do-over button on the past.
I have some time...I will do some transcribing right now..stay tuned.
I'm going to go with devoid of empathy.
transcript continued from 10:02 on time video...
D: Y’know talkin’ about things that are a little awkward as a family and saying okay, this, this is what’s gonna provide real and true healing and not just gonna callous our, our hearts, and so, Dad’s done a , a phenomenal job of all thruout, y’know even before all this, making sure that we as a famly keep short accounts.
If there is ever any tension point between anybody, it’s like (smacks hands together) called to the table, let’s go, let’s talk about it right now.
And so, we uh, we actually, uh, Amber, Gavin and I had one of those yesterday. We were just like, Hey let’s talk about it. About something. Hey, what are you frustrated with? I’m frustrated about this, like why are you you know, and then once we got it surfaced and we talked about it, talked it thru, it was like , Oh, I see your perspective, you see my perspective, it’s okay you know, you’re just working thru some of that stuff that oftentimes, those are the things that riddle families and destroy families is they don’t, they don’t talk about , the, the, they don’t confront anything right? so..Anyways, great question, good question.
D: Next question?
D: Do you ever deal with feelings of anger towards God ? If so, how do you get past it? Ya ever deal with feelings of anger toward God, towards God and how do you get past it. Good question. Anybody want to take that? (Laugh) ...Good Lord, everyone is looking like a deer in the headlights!
(Bigger laugh) Phil hands the mic to Robin…
R: That’s easy, cuz I really haven’t. Um, the only, uh, this wasn’t really anger but it was wonderment of this question that kept surfacing in my days, and in my mind, was “God, why didn’t you protect her?”
D: Mmmmm..
R: She was righteous, and she was pure, and she was yours (starting to cry) I heard DAvey, um, in a sermon or some conversation, um, he said one time, there is no answer.
And I realized, there is no answer. So, we just have to trust God and that is the path I’ve chosen and...it…..has settled me waaay down. A question, every so often it will surface again like, “God, why didn’t you protect her?” And then I have to trust that his ways are higher than ours and his thoughts are higher than ours and I, I leave it there.
Amber: I just had, um, a, moment, probably like 2 weeks ago, I was outside, Amanda and I used to (chuckle) this sounds so weird but um, we used to like time our kids naps together so that (Davey laughs) we could sit out in the sun and talk on the phone cuz, it’s not fun laying out by yourself, AND, we got to catch up on things, so we would , she always had Weston lay down at 2, so I would like schedule all my kids naps around 2 and then I would go out and we would like have a 2 hour conversation, and it was probably the most , Oh I loved it so much!, cuz it , it, we stayed connected that way, we just caught up on life, we talked about everything. It was wonderful so ...it’s just been, it’s just a void in my life, um, so anyway, I laid the kids down and I was SO tired , it was a Sunday, and we had an incredible message at church and I was thinking about that and, I just went outside, I was laying there and, the clouds were, it was, it was just the most beautiful day, and out of absolutely nowhere, I just felt, I, I, cri, I was crying but I, this like anger for the very first time and it wasn’t a, like a, GRRRRR, it was just maybe that same feeling of the reality, like almost, the reality just set in, she’s not here.
I know she’s not here I, I deal with it all the time, I, there’s just moments that I , I think it hits me a lot harder than normal and that day I just, I don’t know if I’ve even cried that hard since the first week, um, and it overwhelmed me so completely I didn’t know what to do and I’m out in my backyard (laughs) my neighbors are outside I’m like, balling my eyes out, but um, I just decided to turn some worship music on.
I am only about 10 minutes in to the Q & A with family and I am convinced the family does have doubts about Davey. When Davey grabs the mic and commands that "we all grieve differently" Phil seems aggravated. Watching this makes me so sad for the family. They are so obviously broken and devastated. This is was grief looks like. What a contrast to DB.
I can't wait to read it! Thank you so much for transcribing it!!
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I have a playlist that’s called Amanda and it’s all my favorite songs, some of her favorite songs, songs from her, um, celebration of life and I just turned that on and allowed the words of that song, this song, just to remind me how faithful God is, and there’s a song that is one of my favorites but it says, “I will look back um, and see that you are faithful and I look ahead believing you are able and, just in that moment, it’s just amazing how God can turn that feeling of anger or that start of...UGH, really, I cannot believe this happened to us...to uh, mmmm, just to worship and it was like, Lord, I am so thankful that she’s with you and I’m so thankful that you are so faithful to us and I felt so much better, it’s just amazing how God works, staying close to him and uh, just, ah, I don’t know, to take, to take anger and turn it into worship is just, it’s an amazing thing so...I’m just very thankful for that.
D: You answer that..tho...um, laughter, I, I, I think yeah, absolutely, I think there, that we would be um..fooling ourselves to say there haven’t been feelings of anger on all fronts and uh, um, honestly, I think anger is okay, I don’t think scripture ever says anything about you should not feel anger.
Um, what scripture says is, “ In your anger, do not sin.” RIght? So there’s a difference, you can feel the emotion but your decisions in life can’t be based on your emotions that you feel because that’s when it crosses the line ah, uh, of sin.
So, ah, anger toward uh, y’know, the perpetrators who did this, anger towards uh, the situation at hand, anger toward God, absolutely, we felt all of those things, um, but I think sometimes you have to feel the full weight of anger before you can actually step into the fullness of forgiveness, and before you can step into the fullness of God saying, Hey trust me, I know, I know, what I’m doing, I’m using this situation for the good, and um, y’know we’ve talked about this before.
That God didn’t cause this to happen, he doesn’t cause evil, evil, but for some reason he did allow it so it can cause us to go, “Why?” Why would you, why would you allow this to happen? You could have stopped it, you’re in control, why would you have allowed this to happen? And we’re not going to know that answer on this side of eternity.
We;re just, we’re just not. Um. We’re gonna begin to see some fruit, many of you are here because of the fruit of what has come out of this story. Many of you who have received Christ , you’re now gonna spend eternity in heaven, with Jesus, because of the fruit that has come out of this story.
You can’t say that there’s not fruit coming from it, but still, but still that doesn’t absolve my heart from feeling anger, doesn’t absolve us from feeling anger. Its just, in our anger, what do we choose to do?
How do we choose, do we choose to worship and say “God, I’m angry with you” and you know Gods not scared of your , of your, emotions, (laugh) he’s not scared of them.
You can be angry with God, you can, you can, man some of you, maybe you feel really bad because you’ve, you’ve like gone into a room and you’ve cussed at God.
God’s not afraid of that.
He’s not intimidated by that.
He’s not intimidated by your emotions but the question is do you trust him still?
Do you love him still?
DO you surrender to him still because his plans are much higher than our ways, his thoughts much higher than our thoughts. He has an infinite understanding of all of this and we have a very finite, limited understanding of what’s going on.
And so, in your anger….
"That God didn’t cause this to happen, he doesn’t cause evil, evil, but for some reason he did allow it so it can cause us to go, “Why?” Why would you, why would you allow this to happen?
You could have stopped it, you’re in control, why would you have allowed this to happen? And we’re not going to know that answer on this side of eternity."
I thought God told you in the shower that Amanda died so the church could grow.
Disgusting.
Bobcat, I tried to study the family and their body language. AB Mom face and body language very interesting. Also, notice when Davey starts preaching (always preaching, never sharing from the heart) AB parents grab each other or hold one another. However, they do seem to nod in agreement to all that Davey is saying. Davey is slumped over the whole time. I have never seem him so hunched.
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Phil: Can I speak into that a little bit?
D: Yes
Phil: Can I talk to you if um, if you are angry with God right now.
D: laughs
Phil: About whatever it is, or whatever has happened in the past, um, or even about things that you can’t see in the future and you’re, you’re, you’re angry because things aren’t going the way you think should be going.
Okay, my number ONE issue with this whole thing has been anger. Serious. I, I mean I screwed up one day and watched a movie um, called “Rage”.
Stupidest thing I had ever done cuz it was about a guy taking out his rage all because someone had killed someone in his family.
Horrible thing I did but I actually found myself in the midst of the movie,...”is this going live places?” (He has stopped talking and is asking Davey if this interview is going live.)
D: It’s not goin live, no. Davey laughs out loud
P: I, I really enjoyed it. I allowed myself to sit in the, the sin of anger and rage. Because there is a sinful behavior that can from anger that’s built up inside, and you just said is so true, and what I want to, to help you with if you’re struggling in any way with this, or when you do in the future, your doctrine, okay, the truth of the scriptures will help you deal with your feelings of anger.
D: Yeah..yeah
P: Because um, and, I, can I don’t know, I don’t know what I can do or what I can’t do up here but..
D: You can do anything you want too. Just ask them, I do anything I want too.
P: Well alright, last week, last week, er, 2 weeks ago, I was in Talladiga? Alabama and I was running the trails, I’m gettin ready for a tough mudder, it’s next Saturday, can’t wait..
D: laughs
P: Yeah..and I really need to train. Anyway, I was runnin some trails and I went out for 2 ½ hours on these trails in Talladega, and I was runnin up in the mountain trails and everything and I kept gettin hit by these by gigantic spider webs. It was driving me outta my mind, and they’re, the spiders are like this (makes the size of a baseball with his hand) you know you’re down there..
D: Oh yeah..yeah
P: And they build em across the trail like, what are they gonna do? Eat the big game that comes down the trail? I mean, what, what are they thinkin? They’re really overachievers but anyway I..I kept running into these spider webs and it, and I got into an almost a fit of rage because it’s drop dead gorgeous there.
I was in these beautiful mountains, in this beautiful place and I couldn’t enjoy it because a the stupid spiders, and the stupid spider webs, and you know when you’re all hot and sweaty and you’re running and you get a spider web wrapped up around your face, it freaks you out.
D: Laughing
P: Y’know, and you’re like scraping it and scraping it , you can’t handle it and you can’t move forward until you get every one of those strings off of you and I’m telling you that’s how it felt with this whole thing.
D: Yeah
P: Because you guys, we were intended to enjoy this earth in a perfect paradise environment. Until sin entered in.
And what I’m angry with and I’ve been able to divert my anger towards the right thing because anger is good, there is good energy that can, can, and good things that you can do with the energy that anger produces , we should be angry at sin.
D: Yep yeah..yeah..
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P: We should be angry with MURDER, we should be angry towards the things of this earth that sin has brought in.
D: Yeah
P: Not angry at the people because we’re all broken
D: Yeah
P: And the world out there is broken. And I, I say this with all, love in my heart and good intentions that the men that did this, they’re just doing, Jesus said this, they’re just doing the will of their father the devil, that’s what he said. When before we’re saved, we’re doing wicked things because it’s part of our nature and we need to be reborn into a new life in Jesus Christ to be able to do righteousness.
So, let your anger be towards the sin, not towards the people some, even tho they intended for evil, they in many ways, and in this case, an, an , especially, I have to be focused on the fact that this is what Satan wants to do to destroy the things of God..
D: Yeah
P: and be angry towards him and the evil that’s in this world and direct my anger towards that, and then you know what, go out and light up the world for Jesus Christ..
D: That’s right, yeah
P: Turn my energy into goin out and sharin’ Jesus with everybody I can and try to dispel the darkness, try ta, to, dump the darkness by the light , by shedding the light, cuz by shedding the light that’s how we’re gonna change the right
D: That’s right..yeah..yeah..
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I've stopped at 22:02. I won't be able to get back to it until later this afternoon maybe..
I don't get people blaming or talking about AB dad being involved. Is that just to make the other arguments about Davey seem weak? What in the world has he done to implicate himself? Nothing! What has he gained from this? Nothing! Has he splattered himself all over FB, Twitter, Snapchat, News Media, Blogs, Instagram and sold himself out to speak around the country? No! He has not been spotted for deception over and over by SA. Has he bought a new house, new car, gone on vacation every other week and gained financially from her death! Absolutely not. Davey alone has capitalized from Amanda's death and shown deception time and time again. Almost every time he talks he tells some new lie or contradictory story. Her family has gained nothing from this and have quietly grieved not placing themselves up on a stage. If you watch the video from last service, you will see a family truly broken.
A convenient cop out excuse saying we wont know answers this side of eternity. From people who claim to actually know God! Contemporary christianity is not true Christianity. Money and manipulation are its methods.
Yeah the idea that Amanda's dad was involved in the murder is as stupid as the fantasy that Davey shot Amanda himself and the thugs are poor innocent babies who are being railroaded. Both are "theories" created by people with ZERO statement analysis training who imagine "linguistic indicators" that don't exist. That's why it's best to stick with the analysis from the trained professional: Peter.
Is the Q&A annother layering attepmt at persuasion of legitimacy? To broadcast his acceptance with her family that says to everyone if her family accepts him then how could those suspicious outside their close group be valid
Anon @ 1:21
It could well be. He weaseled his way onto stage with Lusko and Goff, and made it onto the Gateway and Gauntlet stages, but it seems like his speaking career is not taking off as planned.
The circle of (the appearance of) loyalty is getting smaller and smaller.
Anon @ 1:21. I thought the same thing. Did you see his body language? He was slumped over like a guilty person. I couldn't quite figure out the parents but when he would talk they would touch one another, nudge one another, hold one another. They did seem to nod in agreement with him but the mom especially has some pretty telling reactions. Any other observations on body language from anyone?
You don't need that much loyalty from anyone else as long as the family of the murdered woman is still behind you.
Her dad doesn't know how many months its been? That was odd. Her dad is also the first one to say the word "MURDER". Granted, he doesn't say Amanda's murder, he uses it in a general way.
Peter or anyone..is there a normal aversion to using the word murder? Do most people not use the word or use softer language?
This is curious to me. I know myself, when I talk to people about Sierah, I always use the word murdered. I don't say killed, or the incident, or passed away, etc. I feel it does a disservice to her somehow..she wasn't anonymously killed..she was murdered. That could be just me tho.
Anyone who doesnt think Amanda's father's words are suspicious is either naive, drunk or stupid. His GREATEST FEAR is that he and Davey will "drift" because theyre "in blood together" and "always will be". Oh gee, that aint suspicious. If Davey "drifts", Davey might let something spill. His "greatest fear" should be whether his wife and Weston will be able to cope with losing their daughter/mother. I havent watched the actual video--I will watch later--Ive only read what was transcribed.
Unusual language yes, but suspicious? Christian leadership has used bible to instill fear into those who question the Leader. As if any person in an official capacity or position has been specifically chosen by God himself. Anyone can attend a school obtain a degree and then become 'a Leader'and require submission by everyone else. Its a false representation of christianity.
Ae there any inside or outside his religious group that knows db who have questioned his version of what happened to AB?
Could you do an analysis on Dan Markels wife Wendi Adelson? She was interviewed by police after his murder. The general consensuses is that she did not know about her family hiring hit men to murder him. The news/video is out there. Thank-you if you can do this. I love your statement analysis and I can read forever what you write. Best Regards,
@3:40, What you wrote was a non sequitur in relation to what I wrote considering I quoted the suspicious line and what you wrote seems to address something I did not say or imply. Am I missing something?
Re: Jonbenet, Could Jonbenet have been hit over the head by a large cast iron pan? Those things are friggin heavy! I thought of this last night when I was washing one that I had cooked with and thought to myself...'If all the dishes I washed were made of cast iron, I would not need to lift weights...that's how heavy they are!' Then it hit me...what if that was what was used to hit Jonbenet??? The large flat surface probably would not have broken her skin but they are so heavy it could have cracked her skull. Those things must weight like 10 lbs. heavier than any flashlight! What I have to say next is serious: Aren't there pictures of pans, cast iron pans featured in the book Dr Seuss's "Green Eggs and Ham" found in the suitcase under the window????
I just googled the cast iron pan (skillet) that I'm talking about, and the medium one weights 8 lbs. I have one even larger that I bet weighs 10 lbs. They are extremely heavy--it feels like lifting a weight at the gym when you cook with them and wash them.
How much does the pan weigh if it has green eggs and ham in it?
Has anyone ever considered the "S.B.T.C" in the ransom note could be something psycho taken out of the Dr Seuss book...considering the main character's name is Sam?! 3 of the main words in the book are "train", "box", "car"!
@5:26, Very funny. But yes it would weigh more with food in it. Read the book online...kinda freaky oft-repeated words "train" "box" "car".
How do I access the video from Sept 11 Davey sit-down with Amanda's fam? I can't seem to access it thru Resonate site. Is it in Vimeo? Please provide link. thx
Here is the link:
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/what-happens-to-you-when-you-die-week-6-q-and-a-with-amandas-family-part-1/
So Crazy Davey was annoyed with Amanda the night before she was murdered. He was annoyed at her for laughing (yes laughing) while he was trying to read. But He doesn't have huge regrets. Look at this.
"You know, I’m, I’m grateful that I don’t have these huge regrets. I’m grateful that Amanda and I weren’t in this middle of some like huge fight, and we weren’t on speaking terms; we couldn’t…talk, we couldn’t reconcile. We couldn’t talk to each other. We/were had this animosity or this tension between us I’m glad, and I’m grateful that that wasn’t the case some of you are living right now in life with tension between you and somebody else. You’ve got some animosity, you’ve got unresolved conflict that’s going on, and I’m telling you on this side of things, I’m so glad that we didn't have that."
Anything spoken in the negative is sensitive. Why is he telling us what they weren't doing and not what they were doing? Were huge fights so common in their relationship? It sounds like it. Look how often he asserts that they weren't NOT talking to each other. Imagine being grateful that you don't have regrets because you were on speaking terms with your wife before she was murdered. SMH. Anyone familiar with the "Davey refusing to speak to Amanda for Denting his grill"story, will know that the possibility that they were not on speaking terms is actually quite high. Amanda's voice is entirely absent from CDs narrative of what happened on the morning she was murdered.
TLDR: no huge regrets for CD because he and Amanda were on speaking terms when she was murdered.
Thank you Lynda and Bingo and all others for transcribing and archiving CDs statements.
Are there any CD critics that know him? Friends or former friends, aquaintances who have a different view of him?
Davey didnt change Westons diaper when he woke up in AM
and bring him to his cousins and she changes the diaper. That is beyond messed up. Thats not normal. Then the cousin notices there are marks of some kind all over one leg determined to be "bug bites" on only ONE LEG?! Somethings not right with that story!
Anon @ 7:12,
Ask around in Birmingham/Irondale.
I have a couple of friends that are connected through their siblings, that either attended his church, or was a friend of Amanda's. They have nothing but pity for him. My one friend got really upset w/me about it, until I started telling her the flip side of what they see. She had no idea all that other stuff had happened/is going on. Her jaw dropped when I showed her some videos. People looking for religion to solve their problems, or help them justify their actions, will believe just about everything they hear. They're not always as objective.
Riiiiight. There just happen to be friends of Davey's following along on this thread.
I;m off to watch the Burke interview.
I don't think anyone said that. Unless I missed something.
If anyone is interested, here is the full version of Part 1 Burke Interview. I need to finish watching it, but that is freaky about the complicated and sophisticated knots used to make the garrote. Obviously the kidnapper/killer took their time to write a lengthy ransom note and make complicated knots. Who is this sick bastard?! Did either Ramsey parent know how to make complicated knots? Hasn't anyone profiled this killer?????
Here is the link to Part 1 full version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWUy5IRwT8o
The ransom note is rambling. And young Boy Scouts learn knot tying. Elementary skills.
In the picture, you can see the knots are tied very neatly almost as if the person was concerned with how they appeared/looked...Burke did not tie those knots.
John Mark Karr spoke of his classroom being "the most beautiful he ever had", the hand-drawn posters...John Mark karr is concerned with how things look/aesthetics...whoever tied those knots tied them neatly, so they would neatly tied. Just brainstorming.
On to Part 2
"so they would LOOK neatly tied" it should say
Have you ever been to a kids arts n crafts class? Or a souvenir shop? Or boy scout meeting or looked through their handbook?
I'm almost done watching Part 2, and I don't think Burke did it. He actually seems like a very well-mannered, decent, kind young man. The smiling seems to be because of nervousness. There is no way a kid could have done such a hideous crime.
It was either Patsy or John Mark Karr. John Mark Karr has a vibe about him like he is a ticking time bomb...I get a Dr Jekyl/Hyde vibe off him like one side of him is calm, detail-oriented, artistic, sensitive, almost feminine, and the other side if him is PSYCHO/ready to snap. There is something about his demeanor and what seems to lie beneath the surface of his demeanor that perfectly meshes with the dynamics of this crime imo.
Jon Mark Karr seems artistic with his hand-drawn posters--he could have copied the handwriting to look like Patsys.
Are you dense?? Have you not read the facts of this case as well as Peter's response to your earlier deluded fantasies about Karr??
He WAS NOT in Colorado at the time of the murder.
Stick with Dr. Seuss and his conspirator, Sam, as viable suspects. The motive was his hatred of green eggs and ham.
Does DB have a DL B/F TM?
Poor unsuspecting beards...
You know what you pretentious --------,
There is NO proof John Mark Karr was not in Colorado when Jonbenet was killed. Supposedly his wife provided a photograph of him supposedly being in another state around the time of Christmas. The photo does not give him an alibi during the window of time Jonbenet was killed, nor does it give him any kind of alibi, in fact I believe the wife said the photo was taken in one of 2 different states, she wasnt sure which state it was taken in...yeah, sounds like a real iron-clad alibi. John Mark Karr was "cleared" because of the DNA not matching his, the same DNA Peter discredits as clearing Patsy and John, although it did not match them either.
You don't know jack squat about criminal profiling. If there was a Dr Seuss book found in a suitcase (which would seem to be kidnapping "props") along with a ransom note (another kidnapping prop) left by an intruder, it makes logical sense to see if there is some connection between the book and the note.
Also, noone has ever identified what the "weapon" was that cracked Jonbenet's skull 8 1/2 inches and it would seem that too is integral to solving the case, instead of the attitude I have seen even in interviews with the police like "oh shucks, it doesn't really matter...coulda been a flashlight, coulda been a golf club"...WRONG, It matters A LOT and a matters a lot in terms of figuring out WHO the killer is and the profile of the killer nevermind figuring out exactly what happened to JonBenet.
@11:26,
What does TM mean?
Oh, and D/L must mean downlow! You seem to be awfully familiar with these abbreviations...not something I would have known! I wonder what that means?
The downlow lifestyle is great! Your wife cooks you food and then you sneak out and get to snuggle with a man and nestle your nose in his hairy armpit! I LOVE men's hairy armpits! And you get to talk in lispy voices and plan your futures together. It's so heavenly! Women aren't sexy enough. Men are hairy and smelly.
I am so goddamn sick of your transphobic hatred anon disguised as homophobia. It's like you're on the downlow about being transphobic, and I can't stomach it. What you really want to say is that you think it's gross when men chestfeed babies when you haven't realized how absolutely beautiful and life affirming that is. You belong in Hillary's basket of deplorables. You probably made fun of her for having pneumonia because you're a disgusting person who hates everyone.
Being gay is in the Constitution. Our founding father was gay. His name was George Washington. If you'll notice he had gender confusion too which is a beautiful thing. There is evidence of that in his wig-wearing.
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