Saturday, November 28, 2015

Amanda Blackburn Murder: The "Lie" in High School

"It wasn't me who waged jihad on the carpet!" 

In a blog entry, husband of murder victim Davey Blackburn said that he had done something very wrong in high school:  he lied. 

Since there is not a human being with a pulse who has not told a lie, long term readers understand that an outright fabrication is very rare; with less than 10% of all deception coming this way, while more than 90% of deception is via withheld information.  The outright fabrication is rare and is often the signal of a pathological liar; sometimes ironically called, "the rare true liar."

Those who 'invent reality' not only disrupt the speed of transmission in processing words, they cause it to come to an almost complete stop.  When one is deceptively hiding information, simply withholding a single point disrupts the speed of transmission in processing and will show up in both linguistic signals of sensitivity, and in the polygraph.  The outright fabrication of reality can bring it to a screeching halt, instead.  

In 100 guilty criminal statements, we are very likely to encounter more than 90 that simply withhold the "I did it" part of the statement.  This means, in the worst case scenario, we have a statement that can reliably guide us as to how, when and perhaps even why, he "did it."

Pathological liars create a reality that does not exist. 
 Casey Anthony lied in this manner, as did Richard Blumenthal when he placed himself on the battlefield of Viet Nam.  When questioned, he attacked.  Attacking those who expose the fabricator of reality is a common trait among this uncommon group.  

Hillary Clinton is a pathological liar.  These are those who will sometimes lie when there is no outward cause.  Many people know someone like this by this very trait alone:  "She lied during a dinner party and there was absolutely no reason to lie.  She was not in trouble, and she wasn't even being questioned. "

This is another point:  the fabricator of reality does it in the Free Editing Process. 

This means that he or she was freely speaking the lie, as it was not in response to a direct question (which reduces internal stress) nor was it simply parroting back the interviewer's own language, which also is a low stress lie. 

The outright fabrication of reality in the Free Editing Process is the single most internally stressing form of speech as it comes from self protection and a very strong indicator that the subject has learned this in childhood and has had much success.
waving a gun mere days before his wife's murder by gun

Arrogance

The fabricator of reality holds the world in contempt.  

This contempt is often subtle, but consider its source:  the lying began in childhood and went uncorrected.  The child learns early how to 'out fox' other.  The more you 'out fox' someone the less respect you have for them, the greater the contempt.  

By adulthood, the pathological liar has had so much success that he has an expectation of being believed by all and sees all others as either beneath him, or if above him, unjustifiably so:  and views this one as competition. 

The contempt is rarely openly linguistically displayed, even though most people are left with the impression of arrogance.  

The contempt is often seen in subtle comments, as well as in action:  The pathological liar sees the existence of others as to only benefit himself.  Those that get in the way need to be removed. Competition is always to be defeated. 

Billie Jean Dunn was a good example of this; her contempt of anyone who questioned her strained her ability to control her language, yet when tested, she dropped her filter and attacked professionals, such as the polygrapher, the Texas Rangers, and others.  

The greater the intellect the more subtle the contempt. 

When a child lies ("when" and not "if") correction must come with three elements:

1.  The child must learn that lying has external negative consequences. 
2.  The child must learn that lying has internal negative consequences.  (conscience, ethics, sin, etc)
3.  The child must learn that lying impacts victims and learn human empathy. Deception and theft hurt people; real people.  

When an employer has lots of video surveillance , and all sorts of electronic tracking, the intended thief must overcome these hurdles.  In employment interviews, Statement Analysis looks for the applicant to verbally identify these three elements.  

Now, if one wants to steal (including fraudulent claims) not only must he or she overcome the video, witnesses, evidence, etc, but the deceiver must overcome the three elements within his own personality to go forward with his plans.  

Therefore, if a prospective employee fails to show that deception hurts people (human empathy) and that companies are made up of people and not faceless corporations that simply 'write off' losses, he will not be offered a job.  

It is a brilliant use of Statement Analysis and for companies using it after training, the success has been its own evidence.  If the Dept of Justice told us that 40% of applicants planned their theft before or during the interview process, Statement Analysis will weed them out.  This statistic does not include the myriad of false claims now regularly made against companies as colleges across the country continue the powerful "anti-business" climate.  More "victim status" applicants are giving away this entitled attitude in their own words, allowing for companies to avoid the inevitable advantage taking the "victim" feels is "owed" to him or her.  Instead, trained companies are hiring those who wish to work to obtain money, build resume, experience, and so on.  

The liar holds the world in contempt, including employers.  

The liar sees the world as in existence to be profited from.  This is why some pathological liars become highly successful in exploitation of others.  

In one of Davey Blackburn's videos, he said that he told "a lie" in high school that ruined his reputation.  

Later, we learned that his family moved to another state, but it is not known if this was as a result, or a matter of chronology of an account.  

If it forced the move, it is obviously a lie that impacted others; but regardless, it is in his language as to the serious nature of it.  

This, too, is a "selling point" that is common in his videos where the disease is highlighted so that the cure would be purchased.  This is where the marriage, for example, is so bad, and now marriage counseling is offered with the notion of "success."

The theme is a genuine Christian theme, but it has been misapplied to sell "success in life" where once, like the Pilgrim's Progress, the "burden", once removed, actually increased the struggle through life, and "success" being eternal. 

For the slave trading wicked man, "Amazing Grace" did not "cure" his day to day memory of what he had done in the middle passage, but caused him to labor in a way that was worthy of forgiveness granted.  

"Let him who steals, steal no more, but work willingly with his hands to give to others."

The prescription for thieves?  Not only "stop it!" but the deeper problem of selfishness and exploitation of others needed firm addressing:  the thief had not only work to provide for himself and his family, but had to take excess and help the less fortunate.  No one "forced" him to do so, other than the inner conscience which wished to obey this command.  This command recognizes the deeper issue beneath theft that impacts human nature.  

"If a man will not work, neither shall he eat" prohibition understood human nature and incentive.  This ideology may have saved the founding of America, but today it is not simply rejected, but condemned politically by those who do not grasp human nature and what happens internally to the one who refuses to labor.  The politicians may deny it, but the criminal statistics do not.  

The remedy deals with human nature and a very long term consequence.  It is a rule that may not "feel good" but it "does good" as dignity is returned.  Laws may "feel good" but they do not "do good" are popular, but have long term ramifications.  

The short term venus the long term.  


For Blackburn's own view on this, the video where he expresses his "disappointment" is in this same context:  "16" people were eternally successful, but his disappointment, rather than celebration, is noted in context, for the "failure" to reach the intended goal of the number in attendance.  This theme is what originally caused suspicion of Blackburn while his wife was murdered, and the killer on the loose, he showed no fear of the killer but used the murder to urge his followers to invite "as many people as possible" to attend.  

The drive to success is not something embedded in his language, it is overt and unashamedly his priority, well elevated above the loss of his wife.  

This is what caught the nation's attention above all other murders and what caused speculation, not in topics of "internet trolls" but of each topic introduced by the subject in his public messages.  

The Child

Children are born narcissistic, lying, and we typically describe certain behavior as "childish" because there is a societal expectation that it will be outgrown.  This is a distinctly "Western" expectation so that, for example, the man who drinks too much and explodes in anger at a holiday meal, feels shame and the need to "repair the damage" done to others by his refusal to restrain his 'childish outburst.'  In other cultures, this outburst is actually seen as "strength" and "manhood."  

"Turn the other cheek..."

We see  as "weakness" when one is insulted who turns to violence.  It is "childish", meaning, it is something that should have been dealt with in childhood.  This too, is distinctly "Western" in culture and is not prized by other cultures.  

The child lies, hits and acts out and believes the entire world exists for his own pleasure and entertainment.  Food comes as a result of crying and great displeasure is shown at hesitation.  

The child must be corrected properly and if not, the child's 'success rate' will grow as evenly as the contempt rate.  

Behavior that was "adorably cute but bad" at age 7, and the rebelliousness shown at age 8, are suddenly not funny and not entertaining, but frightening, when the child is 17 years old, and capable of bringing great harm to himself.  

Hormonal change. 

Children sexually abused in infancy have no linguistic connection with the trauma and cannot process what happened to them.  This "violence done to the Image of God" is the perspective of people of faith, and although no verbalization can exist, the body, itself, has not forgotten.  

The damage to the brain took place, and we sometimes get our first signal in adolescence.  (Later, menopause will signal hurt, but this is in different articles)  

Generally, the self loathing takes one of two forms:

*The female child, a 'good girl' suddenly hits adolescence and the parents no longer recognize her.  She turns the rage internal and seeks to destroy herself. 
*The male child, a 'good little fella' suddenly emerges as an outwardly aggressive, clinically immature danger not only to himself, but to others.  While her aggression is inward (cutting, starving, promiscuity, substance abuse), his aggression goes outward in anti-social behavior. 

The increase in hormones to the brain that has been damaged can 'reveal' or 'trigger' a change in personality.  This is why we 'vet' babysitters naturally and why it was so 'normal' for Cindy and George Anthony to have their only grandchild 'baby sat' by a nanny they never bothered to meet, see her home, talk to, or even just gain her phone number.  They took more care in placing their cat for the weekend at a kennel, than they did over their little granddaughter, of whom had actually lived with them.  

This tells us that Casey, herself, was left unprotected for trauma in childhood.  It does not excuse murder, but it explains the danger of parental abdication. Casey was "just fine" until adolescence hit.  

The child uncorrected from lying early in life, now fabricates reality to please himself in a way that is often destructive to others.  

Blackburn's lie. 

If the story is true that Blackburn told a lie so important as to use it, what was in his language? It is published for the public to read and learn from:  

"I remember my Junior year of High School, I got caught in a serious lie that affected my reputation with my teachers, the faculty at my school, and my baseball coach. I had spent several years building up a reputation and in one fail swoop, everything I had worked for crumbled in my hands. I had never felt so alone and empty. Even my friends didn't look at me the same after that. They all knew the life that I professed, but all that mattered to them was that my actions had not lined up with my talk. It took me a long time to build my credibility back up with my teachers, friends, and my parents.

But, to be honest with you. I wouldn't change that situation if I could, because that situation taught me that I can't get away with lies, I can't get away with sin, and it has partially made me into who I am today. Here are three things the Bible points out that we have to do when confronted with sin in our life and the consequences of that sin..."


Without analyzing it:

All he cared about was how the lie made him look and not what he did to others. 

This is the same response he had with Amanda's murder.  It has little impact on him but he, himself, is front and center. 

this is exactly what Jeanine Shapiro identified on Fox News. 

It destroyed his reputation and we note a very specific point of missing information:  human empathy.  It is what I reference in the employment interview in teaching companies how to screen out those who will be most likely to bring them harm.  He learned he "can't get away with it" which is to say, the negative external consequence.  We look for this, along with internal negative consequence ("I could not sleep, it so bothered me!") and specific human empathy for those defrauded, "If I had to do it all over again, I would not do it for I hurt many people, including my parents..." The lack of human empathy is often heard in the language of those who fear not filing suits against companies for they do not see companies as "people" with reputations, but as "faceless" and "cold corporate" non-humans.  

Lying and Murder 

It may seem as 'overly obvious' but those who murder often do so because self came before the life of another.  The hyper-selfish are also liars who learn early that "me first" includes lying to get out of trouble, or lying to elevate oneself above others.  

Lying is often said to be "murder in training."  You have read this very phrase here at the blog for years.  It is said that Pilate himself was a ruthless politician who used deception to weaken his enemies, garner his political strength and even made his rivals "disappear" when they opposed him.  When he was given the ultimate test, he rhetorically dismissed that truth existed and, as Mick Jagger sang, "made damn sure that Pilate washed his hands and sealed his fate" in "Sympathy for the Devil."

Those who have learned to lie at only small challenges, will fail at the larger challenges, including in capital murder trials.  

"Just because someone tells a few mistruths, doesn't make her a murderer."  Cindy Anthony 

When Cindy testified in court, she sometimes agreed to the oath, while at other times repeated the words, "so help me, God" in which she directly lied for her daughter.  The lack of perjury charges only further demoralized America as they watched another jury with the inability to use critical thinking.  

This is what Blackburn's mentor said about him at the memorial service.  At this time, the killer was still on the loose:  

"I remember thinking about Davey, something's not right with that boy," 

  The audience laughed at this. 

He continued, describing the day he met Amanda, "They walked in and I said that thing that hasn't been quite right with Davey just got made right when she walked in.  She truly was the person that completed him and made him a better man." 


This speaks to the same advertising technique:  

the worse the symptoms, the greater the cure but as women have long found out when it was too late, and often  what their own fathers  knew all along: 

When a drowning man needs a woman to save him, the woman, herself, often becomes the drowning victim. 

That he used the distancing language of "that" tells us that his opinion of something "not right" is likely truthful.  Although the speaker is likely not an expert, it would be interesting to ask him what his impressions were that said something is "not right."

The distancing language is further affirmed with the recognition of what was wrong with Blackburn was a "thing" which he may have been most uncomfortable with, and incapable of identifying.  

People often sense something wrong with those who later show to be pathological liars, anti-social, borderlines, etc.  It is a sense of being "off" and the vagueness, itself, suggests an inability to put one's finger on it. 

Too often young women are used to "save" the troubled young man.  In this case, the troubled young man did something severe enough in high school to lose support of friends?  Since teens are not known for the highest standards in a school, this tells us that it was something severe enough to not only withhold from his audience, but shocked his friends.  

  This is consistent with the mentor's own sense or observation.  

In his videos, Blackburn mentions "pastors' kids" in a negative context.  It sometimes becomes a sad joke where the pastor preaches "thou shalt not" while his own kids are "shalting" openly.  These children are not only often held to a higher behavioral standard, they are also quite often subject to scrutiny, criticism and projection of parents who, themselves, fail to properly raise their own.  The label, "PK" is used to describe this, with the many pastors' children who grew up in loving homes and who not go off to infamy receive no 'press' coverage.  

That Blackburn cited pregnancy as a trigger for the bad marriage may have had his own history in his career ambitious thinking.  Here is why:  

The job description includes having children that affirm  the man's work:  

'If a man cannot guide his own family, how can he be expected to guide the church?' so he must lead by example. It is a tall order for any parent and his wife's pregnancy unnerved him enough to explain it as being the cause of the bad marriage. 


Was he thinking about what he, himself, did to his own father's career?  When it comes to listing those he had to restore his reputation with, his parents came last.  

He also showed no empathy for the pain his lie cased his parents.  


If he lied in high school in something so severe as to cause his own peers to distance themselves (see how "lonely" it left him) it limits what context the lie would be found to something even peers would not only disapprove, but actually distance themselves from him.  


Men reading this thinking of their own high school experiences, including private high schools, will be pressed to consider:

What lie could I have told that upset teachers and faculty and parents would cause my friends to distance themselves?

This lie wasn't just a baseball coach lie but according to the language, impacted:

his teachers;
the faculty (beyond his own teachers)
his parents
his friends

Did he possess a sort of "fame" in high school that a lie could impact this many people?  Was he a 'star' of some sort that all eyes would not only be upon him, but all these people would be disappointed in him?  

Did the entire school so look up to him and now were left in disgust to the point where even his buddies left him alone?? 

I can think of two or three specific areas in which a lie would be this severe. Perhaps there are others, but in context, there are few areas in which such a powerful ripple effect would take place.  I can see my coach, or my teacher being impacted by my lie, but teachers who were not mine?  Friends??  

It would speak to intense shame and discrediting his own father's work. 


It would not be anything 'ordinary' that teenagers do when they get in trouble that schools and churches regularly deal with using compassion, wisdom and unity to repair.  


That his mentor said that there was something wrong with Blackburn is alarming, but in context, the simple review stands out:

The teen did something very negative; bad enough to impact an entire school faculty...

Or, could he be exaggerated his "disease" to further sell his "cure"?

This being often called the "testiphony" effect where the longer Pinocchio's nose, the greater the "aha!" moment of change!  

The mentor knew something was wrong with the young man and he needed fixing, which was assigned to Amanda. 

What do we know about Amanda's character (much from her own words) that would reflect positively in union with Blackburn?

Amanda did not share his ambition nor desire for the spotlight.  
Amanda appeared genuine in her chaste view points and actually embarrassed at the sexual joke made at her expense. 
Amanda stated her marriage was bad because her husband was too busy with his career; suggesting a desire to be with him. 

What do we know about Blackburn that may have been known by the mentor, enough to enter his language?

If the male is lacking of intellect, the female intellectual will help. 
If the male is lacking in personality, the female personality will help.

The mentor saw Amanda as "completed" the man, of whom, not just incomplete as a man ("it is not good for a man to be alone") but this incomplete man is "just not right" in distancing language. 

It had to be the very things opposite Amanda's character to "fix" that which is not "right."

Amanda's desire for quiet servitude versus the ambitious overt drive of the narcissist.  

Amanda's quite chaste views versus the sex-obsessed incessant sexual talk about himself and his sex drive.  

What the mentor saw as "not right" was to be remedied by Amanda's "right", which generally ends in disillusion for the woman "savior."

In Amanda's case, the sad and inevitable disillusion would have been a far more preferable to what end came upon her. 

What do we know about Blackburn?

The language reveals an anti-social narcissistic bent upon success so driven that even with correction, he is incapable of refraining from using even murder as an opportunity for success.  Everything he says, as well as his body language and even his dress and appearance display this in ways that most people found shocking. 

His contempt for Amanda was seen in his "Q&A" video where, even the subtle nature of the contempt became more obvious especially when he humiliated her and reduced her to a non person status of whom was unworthy of even dinner conversation unless he be first sexually satisfied.  This came in the heels of interrupting her, contradicting her and 'correcting her memory.'

In his language, he did not connect himself with love to or from Amanda, confirming his statements of the bad marriage, yet took each opportunity to sell.  

That he would be incapable of "seeing this" is not only expected, but easily dismissed by "Christianity haters" or, when Christians themselves show disgust, as "jealousy" and "victim status" can strengthen the "us versus them" mentality just as it did when his mentor declared the Ten "Commandments" were not, in Hebrew, "commandments" and an association of leaders called him on the carpet. Instead of "I was wrong", he responded with "I was wrong but..." and not only blamed an unknown "teacher" in Israel, but went upon the 'attack' of critics. 

This is what is behind the "call" for Fox News to publicly apologize for doubting the very one who brought doubts home to roost.  It is a slick self promotion to get into the national spotlight.  

Blackburn's own language showed that the horrific and brutal murder of his wife was "Amanda's Story", even before the killer was caught, telegraphing his plan on even exploiting her personal journal for his profit.  

                               Why did Amanda die?

Ask the husband. 

He said she died so his career would flourish or "slingshot" to success.  

The only thing that could cause him to not profit from the murder would be an arrest and conviction, that is, if his state has a law against profiting from murder, as many states do. 

If there is no association with the killer Blackburn has taken statistics and odds and has stood them upon their heads and has revealed the not-so-hidden agenda of career traction of the murder. 

If there proves later to be a connection, people will look back at the video performances, blog entries and tweets, and see that sometimes "A plus B does equal C."

Regardless, we should expect various legal proceedings to all be used in promotion, as his language indicated, and the trial itself, perhaps, coinciding with the release of "Amanda's Story" as well as the subsequent movie deal.  

He told a lie in high school.

Who hasn't?

I once saw a sophomore in high school stand up and take a "Zero" on a test because he admitted cheating.  He was incapable of living with his lie and apologized to the teacher and his classmates. 

It was stunning and I immediately wanted to emulate him. 

If I was given a second chance in life to do it all over again, I'd not hurt all those I hurt in life, beginning with my parents and siblings at my youngest age of cognizance. 

This is what most adults say. Yes, we learn from mistakes, but we hurt over the hurt we imposed upon others by our own failures.  


Blackburn's high school lie is an admission but not a confession. 

It also may help us understand the "we" in his language. 

He was either so incredibly popular and idolized in high school by adults and teenagers  that a single lie would cause the walls to cave in, from teachers, to faculty to coaches to friends, that all held him in such a lofty place of emulation as to cause them all to become despondent or...

his status of importance was within his own mind only.  

hence, "we"...?

UPDATE:

Was the lie so bad that it caused the family to leave state and the father to give up his own career?

This is a public post following the chronology of the junior year 
lie: 

DB blog April 10, 2006:

"My dad has always strove to be in the center of God's will. I remember when we moved to Tuscaloosa right before my Senior of high school. You better believe that he was concerned about uprooting his family and moving somewhere else, but he constantly reminded us that the center of God's will is the only place we will find true fulfillment. I recall one night in particular where our whole family sat in the living room, holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying, not knowing where God was going to lead us, only having each other as stability in this chaotic world." 









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Peter Hyatt said...

Correction:

In the "slingshot" statement there were potential pastor students in the audience. This was told to me by someone there and it should be corrected.

Although the statement is telling, the audience lessens the impact of the statement. It may be just as revelatory, but the additional impact of the audience lessens the level of unexpectedness.

I will find out where this in which article, and correct it. By itself, it remains, but the audience should be known. It is not inappropriate to warn those who may enter ministry of the impact of their wives upon their own lives. It is vital.

What was said, in light of what happened, as well as what complaints were made in other videos, remains as an outstanding point of interest.

As you continue to debate this case,

commentators should do two things:

1. Be eager to be corrected. Not just willing, but eager.

2. Should diligently look for possibilities where Blackburn will have no association with the gang, and see if the theories work.

The same intent of imagination, research and debate should be poured into 'separating' him from the killers, as the links have been explored.

It is what is done in investigations where we must remain open minded.

Then:

3. Do your findings strengthen or weaken your opinion?

Peter

Gemini said...

Peter, have you read this PDF?! It is very disturbing and mentions "how much to get rid of the problem?" and "gangland beatings"... This is about Perry Noblems crew.

http://www.pajamapages.com/our-story/

Anonymous said...

slightly off topic: Have y'all listened to Kenneth W's sermon at Amanda's "Celebration?"

https://vimeo.com/146578513

Much of the focus is on how God is going to use her death to build up Resonate Church, what a great "opportunity" this is. I could not bear to listen to the whole thing, but he really gets going starting about the 30 minute mark.

This was posted Nov. 24 on the "church" website


Canada

Lis said...

I love this word: "testiphony" !

I have wondered if DB's marriage was as bad as he let on or if he thought saying things like that made him "cool". Either way, he was hurtful to his wife and oblivious to it.

Re:
"It sometimes becomes a sad joke where the pastor preaches "thou shalt not" while his own kids are "shalting" openly"

A great many pastors are "shalting" behind the scenes, themselves, and the kids are witness to and learn from that. It becomes a corporate lie they are all living. Look up Jack Hyles, his daughter, Linda Murphrey, has come forward and spoken the truth. She's been ostracized by his supporters because, in that church culture, it is all about appearances, not substance. She did a TED talk about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdtxM0rD86I

There are so many stories in the news of church leaders' private sin being exposed. One guy attempts to keep up a list but he says it's impossible to catch all of it- http://mojoey.blogspot.com/p/the-morally-corrupt.html

I think that some church institutions attract persons like this because they offer a non-transparent, unquestionable, base of power for the leader.

It's fair to say that if DB turns out to have no involvement in his wife's murder, this is a case for the books. It's hard to imagine that everything could come together in such a way by chance. Technically, it could happen, but it strains credulity.


Gemini said...

Omg the link I posted above mentions being abducted by 3 black guys. Did you guys know about this??

SSSSS said...

Can we / should we go a step further and think about / discuss the possibility that DB actually did not know what was going to happen to AB on the day it happened, but was given direction to:

1) go to the gym when he did
2) leave his front door unlocked
3) call his friend for their weekly chat session
4) wait to go into the house until a certain time

What if DB really doesn't have connections to the criminals, but someone else above him in the church hierarchy does?

Peter Hyatt said...

Lis,

being long associated with "testiphony" since the early 80's, I factored this into my thinking when analyzing Davey's description of the bad marriage, which is why I only cite pregnancy.

I also used Amanda's description of the "work" he was busy at.

The marriage was bad and Amanda was truthful in stating she wanted to leave him.

So take all he words, subtract 50% of "testiphony" and we still have a bad relationship that agrees with the truthful words by Amanda.

I am hoping to read more:

"Davey could not be connected to the shooter because..." posts.

Thanks,

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

SSSS,

this should be explored.

First, who would have motive to have Amanda removed?

Next, why would DB be so disconnected emotionally to her death.

Thank you for being the first, here, to take me up on my challenge!


Peter

Anonymous said...

Is it possible that DB hired these guys to steal his wife's iPhone and computer ,the one in which she is tracking his online behavior? That the rape and murder were unexpected by him? in other words, he set it up or someone in church hierarchy set it up but he had no clue what the ultimate crime was going to be?

Canada

Lis said...

Peter Hyatt said...
"I am hoping to read more:
"Davey could not be connected to the shooter because..." posts."

As for me, I don't know of any reasons he 'could not' be connected!
As I see it, it's either a monumental coincidence or there is more yet to be revealed.

When a person is a liar / lives a lie, it's impossible to surmise anything about them.

SSSSSS said...

The negative talk towards Peter and HIS blog are unproductive. Please, if you aren't willing to contribute in a constructive way, go do something else besides cloud up the comment section. If you disagree, then contribute something you can substantiate in some way so that we all can have productive, interesting and intelligent dialogue here; otherwise, your comments are a real turnoff and we just won't take anything you have to say seriously.

Anonymous said...

Is there anymore news on that facebook connection? Or was that all a myth?

Anonymous said...

Wow, I've just been reading at the Pajama Pages blog referred to above, this page: http://www.pajamapages.com/holy-rage-at-the-spring-2/

One quote:
"Maxwell: @garylamb wanna schedule another gang land beating? I have someone in mind and I need a redneck that doesnt care to come along."

*Another* gangland beating?

Wow, this group needs to be scrutinized really thoroughly.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps in DB's words..the best is yet to come. Hopefully all this media attention to their church will attract enough attention to get it closed down!

SSSSS said...

My original thoughts / reactions after hearing about this case was I wondered what information AB had that she either threatened to expose about DB or "the church" or what information DB thought she may expose. (Narcissists imagine threats that aren't real so often, that what DB interpreted as a threat may not have seemed like such a large threat to "ordinary" people.) That line of thinking could lead to what would someone within the broader organization have against her.

The pajamapages blog is a real eye opener as to what I believe that organization could be capable of.

SSSSS said...

Anonymous @ 3:07 - Haha! I like that!

SSSSS said...

Peter, Fear could disconnect Davey, don't you think? In my first hand experience with narcissism, fear has been the cause of a narcissistic shield going up and providing that barrier to real emotion. I think fear he has may play a bigger part in his reactions or lack of than guilt. Maybe fear and guilt combined. I guess what I mean is don't underestimate the power of fear over a narcissist. Again, in my personal experience.

SSSSS said...

I don't know about corruption in Indiana politics, but I certainly believe there is fundamentalism alive and well in Indiana politics. We saw that first hand this past year with the LGBT issues. Let me say this. It was NO surprise to me that Pence was at AB's service.

Anonymous said...

https://vimeo.com/82961812

This video is from two years ago. DB appears really normal; his body language, his speech etc. Compare this video with his recent appearances both before and after his wife's murder. He is much more bulked up and keyed up. What changed for him? Was the birth of his son, who he most oddly nicknames "stud" a threat to his narcissism and masculinity? Something is off.

tania cadogan said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

And, Peter, why are your posts so darn long? Do you really think the attention span of the average reader is THAT long?

November 28, 2015 at 2:44 PM


YES is the answer.

Those who come to peter's blog do so because they want to learn.
It may be a particular case they are interested in that brings them to here to see why they feel something is 'off'
Some because they have a general interest in true crimes.
Some because they wish to learn>

I came here due to one case and questions i had and i stayed because i wanted to learn.

People who visit here for whatever reason, do not have the attention span of a goldfish (who, by the way, care smart and can be trained unlike more than a few of the human race)

Peter knows this and does not dumb down his posts, he does not use simple baby words to convey a concept when the right, intelligent adult word is appropriate.
He does posts that are long so that the relevancies and explanations are covered.
He knows his readers are capable of holding a train of thought and understanding for several minutes and longer.

Anonymous said...

TWITTER ACCUONT. 25 december 2013. his present is a gun.

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 25 Dec 2013

Best Christmas Present Ever! Thanks, Papa Cook! -
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Canada

Boston Lady said...

A couple of thoughts popped up while reading today's blog. First, DB and his lies. I have to wonder if he did tell such a big lie that it caused everyone, and that is what he seems to be saying, to have been effected by his lie. I think this lie, is a lie. The reason I believe this is that he lied in the video where he and Amanda were taking questions on stage. I think that is # 6 Love Songs. Amanda corrected him when he was talking about the couple who had left the church and came back. I think DB likes to embellish on his stories for effect in his testiphony. (I love that word too) And as I was reading today, the song from the Bee Gees (which ages me lol) "I started a lie, that started the whole world crying" popped into my head. That's how I see DB when he speaks.

One correction in your blog, Peter. It is Jeanie "Pirro" and not Shapiro who is the judge on Fox news. Perry Noble called her Shapiro but it's definitely Pirro.

After watching a few of DB's testiphony videos, it is clear he loves the spotlight. He enjoys preening and using hand gestures in his act. I'm not sure how much teaching is getting across.

Lastly, the narcissist in him is so strong that he cannot even miss Amanda without making it about him. He made a statement that what he misses most about Sundays was seeing Amanda sitting in the audience cheering him on as he preaches. That was pretty striking. It's about him. He doesn't miss enjoying dinner with Amanda and Weston? Enjoying family time that they would all share? No, what stands out the most is his wife cheering HIM on.

Anonymous said...

Gemini I was going to ask those same questions. I read the blog six days ago and didn't even think about the threats until Perry Noble wanted an apology. I alluded to it when I mentioned the possible connection btw law enforcement and Davey akin to the Catholic Mafia.i think it's possible PN had a hand in the planning and maybe just maybe him and Davey are closer than we think

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andrew said...

Having how read the Pajama Pages' chronicle of the harassment that family suffered at the hands of Perry Noble's church, I am now convinced that some of Davey's associates would be capable of doing *anything* to protect their status, power, and money. They have already proven this, and it is a matter of public record.

Perry Noble is an extremely dangerous person. He has a fanatical following, virtually unlimited finances under his singular control, and an apparent willingness to do malicious harm to people to further his own agenda.

If I were LE, I would be digging deeply into ALL communications between Davey and his mentor, and especially his trip to South Carolina in the immediate aftermath of Amanda's murder.

Peter Hyatt said...

The exploration of 'unintended death' is another that has come up, yet without much said.

This theory is that the intention was to rob, but it escalated somehow...

The age of the shooter and the undressing may be part of this.

The other robberies did not have elements of violence and all appeared very well intended for financial profit.

There is much more to learn here.

Peter

momofmany said...


Peter Hyatt said...
"I am hoping to read more:
"Davey could not be connected to the shooter because..." posts."

A Sisyphean task for me. Can ANYONE post a plausible scenario beginning with that premise? I tried and failed.

andrew said...

The most chilling excerpt from the Pajama Pages blog is when the head of security for New Spring says that he is going to round some people up to arrange "another gangland beating."

The manner in which he said it suggested to me that it was something he had done before.

And now you have Perry Noble directing more "rage" at bloggers and media than at Amanda's murderers?

As I said, chilling.

Anonymous said...

I have wondered about this being bigger still than Davey Blackburn and his church associations' growth...I find it interesting that the 'thugs' are all black. Amanda was white.

What if there are higher authorities (for example, government) who are involved in stirring up racism in the US...?

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility, as there is much corruption in high levels of government. When I think of the climate (racially) that has been fostered/created, particularly in certain southern areas, it wouldn't surprise me if there was more behind this.

Often, governments will create the problem, and then swoop in with their 'solutions'.

Thoughts?

SLH

CJ said...

For starters, I give little credence to the "friend of a friend on Facebook" line of thinking.

What would constitute a proof of connection between DB and the suspects and/or known associates via social networking?

DIRECT LINK:
1). Online conversation between Davey and suspect(s).
2). Photo of Davey together with the suspect(s).
3). Davey mentions suspect(s) in a social media post (ie. blog, tweet, FB).
4). Davey tweets or comments to suspect(s) social media account(s).
5). Davey is a friend or follower of suspect(s) on social media.

INDIRECT:
4). Suspect(s) tweet to or comment on one of Davey's social media accounts
6). Suspect(s) mention Davey in a social media post (ie. blog, tweet, FB)
7). Suspect(s) are friends or followers of Davey on social media.
8). Suspect(s) appear in photos of Resonate Indy events.
9). Suspect(s) appear in photos with other Resonate staff.
10). Suspect(s) appear in photos of greater Indy events that Davey participated in (Eg. Gauntlet)

The list would continue with greater degrees of separation. For instance, substitute Amanda's name in all of the above. Then repeat substituting Davey and Amanda's coworkers, friends and family in place of Davey. Do the same on the other side of the equation, substituting the suspect(s) known associates and family members.

AFAIK, (and I have been following the case closely on this site) we have not uncovered even one example of any of the above to establish a link between Davey and the suspects.







andrew said...

@SLH

Sadly, I don't thing the higher ups would *need* to do anything to encourage racial tensions. We the people seem to do that rather well on our own!

One thing that I've noticed in conversations with black friends is the extent to which whites and blacks really do inhabit separate realities.

Many black people seem to live in genuine terror of the police. They feel that racism permeates our institutions and that they are not capable of getting a fair shake, especially from law enforcement.

Many white people, on the other hand, seem to live in genuine terror of crime. And the ugly truth--for all kinds of socio-economic reasons--is that a high percentage of violent crime in this country is committed by black people.

The FEAR on both sides is powerful and it makes open dialogue very, very difficult if not impossible.

The media makes matters worse by broadcasting the worst examples on both sides, by sensationalizing crime as well as police misconduct, and by allowing the public discussion to be dominated by demagogues on either side. Nothing shuts down a true dialogue faster than accusations of racism.

I'm afraid things are going to get worse before they get better.

Anonymous said...

BostonLady:

Your comments about DB are insightful. I've also read posts where he says he misses her, but yes, it's all about him. Yes, he is a narcissist! I cannot believe the arrogance that comes out every time he opens his mouth.
This is characteristic of the mega-church model...arrogance.
I also caught Amanda's comments in the love song q & a...I think she TWICE corrected him, saying "that's not true!" Interesting! Likely, his life revolved around lies.

These 'pastors' have got to have beneficial connections in the outside world to help them avoid accountability.

How does someone like Kent Hovind go to jail for ten years for discrepancies in employee remittances to the gov't, while these guys can fleece their flocks with impunity/no consequences...who's protecting them?

SLH

kimisan03 said...

@Momofmany,
I just find it implausible that Davey would wave a gun around on stage and actually SHOOT someone in the back if he knew that 2 days later his wife would be murdered. As Peter has said, Davey seems above average intelligence, and even my 3rd graders know that would be a foolish move.
He is very gross to me and I can hardly stand to read what he and PN & Co. come up with, but I find it hard to believe that someone so intelligent would do something so stupid and, dare I say it, childish.

Anonymous said...

Fun fact: he's not just lead pastor. He was also lead singer in high school band:

We wanted to give everyone equal opportunity to come out," said Blackburn, who's also the lead singer in Audience of One, a worship band at First Wesleyan that will perform at Unconfined. "It's like God's invitation to us is free."

http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20040504/NEWS/405040304?p=3&tc=pg

Anonymous said...

Yes anonymous @ 4:16 and BostonLady, I was thinking the same thing with respect to the Q & A video - he talks about the couple leaving the church and she sort of gently and softly says "that's not true" and I think he said "it's a little bit true". . . maybe he lies so much that it's just second nature but never got called on it before. And, his congregation would never know the difference if Amanda hadn't said anything.

Peter Hyatt said...

What matters?

The grade? Or, taking responsibility for being inappropriate?

"It's interesting. I found out today that things that used to be important to me are not longer that important. I used to be all about making the grade. I had to perform at my best so that I would make the grade. I found out today that I was docked two letter grades for an inappropriate remark I made in a homily that I preached for my preaching class."

Here is a statement that showed no remorse for being inappropriate.

The resentment from being docked two letter grades (it must have been quite a remark) echoes in entire inappropriate "sermons" on video.

I can only imagine what the instructor who docked him has to say about the video 'sermons' and the coincidental nature of the crime.

The lesson: don't care so much about grades.

The lesson missed: INAPPROPRIATE statements in sermons!

"Something is very wrong with this guy..."

Peter

Anonymous said...

Hi Andrew:

Yes, I do agree with you. Our human nature is bent toward sin anyways, and racism is definitely sin...but I am wondering if there are situations created in order to stir up this tendency we already have.

Personally, I haven't been exposed to high crime, and have no fear of blacks (I am white)...but I have friends who are black, and my feeling and attitude towards them has always been favorable, and as far as I know, it has gone the other way.

It just seems that situations arise, (let's say Ferguson, for example) then a media firestorm begins, then an Internet thought war breaks out...when does it end? and why does the govt do nothing to stop it, it seems instead they feed it...

Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe this case has nothing to do with racism, but I wonder..

SLH

Anonymous said...

kimisan03, it could be misdirection and part of his alibi - like in the movie Basic Instinct where Sharon Stone had written a book in which her boyfriend was killed with an icepick - then her real-life boyfriend was found dead with icepick wounds all over him - and when questioned by the police, she said something like "do you think I'd be so stupid as to kill him in the exact same way as was written in my book?"

Just saying. . .

trustmeigetit said...

My mom lies for no reason. Told the family she was raped. Stopped speaking to those that questioned her about it. She said her ex maxed out her credit cards and stopped speaking to me when I told her I knew she lied (I looked at her statements).

She has always done this. Each time she was confronted, she just disowned that person. There's really only a few people left in her life. She has disowned most everyone.

I'll never understand why.

Such a lonely life for no reason.

CJ said...

In general I find the SA analysis of Davey to be pretty accurate.

I also think we are saying for Amanda what she did not say for herself. We have yet to uncover even one statement from her leading up to the murder that indicates she was unhappy with Davey or with her marriage. We have social media statements that indicate the exact opposite (her Instagram account gives the best examples). In one of those entries she even mentions her hope that Weston grow up to be just like Davey. She also wishes others could see what she sees in Davey.

There is no indication that she was preparing to leave him, or had fallen out of love with him.

instagram.com/amandagblackburn/

Peter Hyatt said...

CJ said...
In general I find the SA analysis of Davey to be pretty accurate.

I also think we are saying for Amanda what she did not say for herself. We have yet to uncover even one statement from her leading up to the murder that indicates she was unhappy with Davey or with her marriage. We have social media statements that indicate the exact opposite (her Instagram account gives the best examples). In one of those entries she even mentions her hope that Weston grow up to be just like Davey. She also wishes others could see what she sees in Davey.

There is no indication that she was preparing to leave him, or had fallen out of love with him.



Are you sure?

The last sentence is quite an assertion.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

trustme,

eventually you'll understand why.

Peter

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Anonymous said...

It's possible DB could have no connection to the shooter, because:

In those first 2 or 3 TV interviews of DB after the murder, one of the things that struck me was that he was trying to be truthful as much as possible. His reactions when asked questions like "Why would someone want to hurt Amanda?" were to say that he (or we) are confused and baffled (rather than saying "I was told she was killed in a neighborhood robbery.") He might have honestly been feeling confused & baffled, while coming off as hiding something because of suspecting that maybe someone(s) he knows might have arranged for something to happen, something for which he is secretly grateful. Maybe the only thing he was hiding in those interviews where he appears to be hiding something, is merely his strong suspicion that someone has done him a favor.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if anyone would care to analyze this case. Today is the tenth anniversary of the victim's death, and the case is stone cold.

http://savannahnow.com/taxonomy/term/885/0/feed

http://www.nysun.com/arts/year-after-savannah-killing-police-press/44709/

http://savannahnow.com/stories/042606/3819007.shtml

Savannah G.

Anonymous said...

Could the phone shooting in the sermon two days before have been a 'signal' to communicate to whoever was going to commit the murder of Amanda?

Bold and risky, but also possible... I have personally witnessed a 'pastor', a man I believe does not belong in ministry, preaching from the pulpit his own agenda...NOT preaching the Word, but sending subtle, sometimes not so subtle, messages to the members of the church, for the purpose of intimidation and silencing.

SLH

Peter Hyatt said...

SSSS,

I don't think "fear" would disconnect him.

It is something I have not encountered, nor can I find a way to fit it into the 'database' of analysis.

The power to change a pronoun from "I" to "we" is intense.

The only thing I have ever encountered in study, research, my own cases, and the cases of others, is guilt of some form or variety. Fear can be part of guilt, though, as can other emotions, like disgust.

"Your son brought home his report card today", mother said to father.

Peter

Anonymous said...

If you REALLY wish your spouse dead, with every fiber in your being, but have zero connection to his/her murder, what are you guilty of?

Anonymous said...

@CJ:

I have noticed while reading Amanda's Twitter and Instagram feed, that it is full of praise and accolades for Davey, and how happy she is with him, etc

But he has revealed inconsiderate, baseness and vile character that can only be a source of grief for a godly wife, unless of course, she was not a godly wife (I'm not saying she wasn't)

If he was as manipulative and abusive as he seems to have been toward her, she was in a very difficult position. He would be wanting praise from her all the time, and she would feel obliged to give it...consider their 3 videos at the train station where they talked about wives submitting.

I believe she would feel she had to continually praise him, in order to BE a godly wife and to support his ministry.

Sad!

SLH

SC said...

CJ - Not sure that's a fair assumption about Amanda. People on social media (especially on Instagram) can easily curate the perfect life. I don't have any friends who share photos after a disagreement with a spouse and so on...let alone posting something that would tip of a spouse that you were about to leave him.

Peter Hyatt said...

SLH wrote:

Anonymous said...
Could the phone shooting in the sermon two days before have been a 'signal' to communicate to whoever was going to commit the murder of Amanda?

Bold and risky, but also possible... I have personally witnessed a 'pastor', a man I believe does not belong in ministry, preaching from the pulpit his own agenda...NOT preaching the Word, but sending subtle, sometimes not so subtle, messages to the members of the church, for the purpose of intimidation and silencing.

SLH



The reason it is looked at is because of 'leakage' in Statement Analysis. What is on our minds, sometimes, inadvertently, comes out in our language even though we do not wish it to be so.

In this case, it is bizarre because it was part of a choreographed performance. It is fair to say that a "gun" was on his mind, enough for him to literally pull one out in a "sermon" as a visual aid.

This showed what he was thinking of: gun.

To have his wife gunned down two days later is simply "too much" for many detectives' "smell test." For me, I base my conclusions on the language and thus far, I have not been able to commit to the source of guilt but it is narrowing:

1. Guilt over blind ambition of being free from a bad marriage, knowing his wife said she would have left him;

2. Guilt over knowing someone who arranged for either a fright put upon her to get her to leave, or her actual death;

Either way, I am looking at a very disturbed young man.

The more I listen to his language, including now blog entries from years ago, as well as the video, the more I am convinced that this is a very talented, charming manipulator who has always been driven to succeed and anyone who is not with him he either has no time for, or is 'against' him.

I agree with Perry: this is something very wrong with him.

Peter

Next up: Did Donald Trump tell the truth?

Anonymous said...

Correction:

My post at 4:38 should have said "phony shooting"

SLH

momofmany said...

@kimisan03,

I found Peter's blog when I was looking for evidence and information to disprove my husband's quick assessment of "Her husband did it."

I started with the premise of DB's complete innocence, but quickly found examples of "implausible" behavior and words from DB that convinced me that he is guilty of something having to do with Amanda's death.

I agree with you that it's hard to believe that someone so intelligent could do something so foolish as to wave a gun around and simulate a shooting days before his wife was murdered, but I find much about DB's behavior unbelievable.

CJ said...

Peter,

I am going to change my handle to "Eager to be Corrected" : )

Question: If the only insights into the health of their marriage was via Amanda's statements, what would we think?

We have the Q and A video. We have the train videos. We see flashes of irritation, annoyance, a few barbs, some very sad expressions, mixed in with lots of examples of how hard the beginning of their marriage was. We have her in current time reflecting back that sex isn't always a priority for her, even on date night. She talks about all of her efforts to negotiate situations with Davey, often to satisfactory conclusion (she is actually happy with the suggestion that they reverse the order of the night and engage in lovemaking early on date nights). She gives her audience insights into what she desires Davey to model for her (a godly man).

Does our SA analysis of HER statements reveal anything that does not look like typical relationship struggles?

Has anyone found even one indication that she was unhappy enough, in current time, to consider leaving Davey?

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Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
If you REALLY wish your spouse dead, with every fiber in your being, but have zero connection to his/her murder, what are you guilty of?

November 28, 2015 at 4:40 PM Delete


I don't think thee are many "REALLY" cases without some form of conflicting.

As to those of you pointing out that the instagram praises from Amanda reflect something deeper: Statement Analysis, as a science, agrees with you.

I have heard similar language from domestic violence victims.

I have heard this often.

They do not simply seek to persuade readers; and they know the spouse will read it:

They hope it with all their hearts and want to convince their own minds and hearts of it.

Amanda told us exactly when the marriage went bad: if we are listening.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Mr. Dos,

repost your assertion, but take out proven by "SA", please.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Hi Peter:

I see..."leaking" means we cannot help but talk about or act out what is on our minds. It has to come out, one way or another,

This is so counter-intuituive to me...I get it, but if he is really guilty, then he has done a terrible job of hiding his guilt.

SLH

M said...

I know this isn't about me, but I'm going to make it about me for a second.

I took my daughter to have some senior photos taken downtown Indy along the canal a few months ago. There were several places she couldn't have them taken because #forIndy was drawn in chalk all over the walls and ground. It. Was. Everywhere. And it was very frustrating.

Now we know who is responsible for that. Not okay!

Carnival Barker said...

^^
I've been listening, Peter! The marriage went bad the first day they got back from their honeymoon!

M said...

Like button for Carnival!

Peter Hyatt said...

SLH

Did you ever see a show called, "The Office"?

My kids loved it.

In it, "Jim" loves "Pam"

Tobey works in HR and has secret crush on Pam.

Pam loves Jim.

Toby has filed HR complaints against Jim and while he is supposed to be talking about Jim's work ethic, he continually mutters the word "Pam" under his breath.

It was very funny but a good example.

It is not that it always comes out....just here and there.

Example:

Dad reports baby kidnapped. He is lying but refused to "negotiate" with kidnappers. This led the mother to say, "he is not cooperating with police" (which was true)

He said, "contrary to rumors floating around out there, I have been cooperating with police!"

He was THINKING about what he did to the baby while trying to defend himself. oops!

An expert analyst said to me, "Peter, tell police that the baby is in water."

Items associated with the baby (pjs) were found at the river.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Peter:

She said it went bad the day after the honeymoon..

Do we need to dig deeper? Or is that what you are referring to?

SLH

Peter Hyatt said...

Carnial Barker,

correct

It just takes listening.

CJ wrote:

Anonymous CJ said...
In general I find the SA analysis of Davey to be pretty accurate. "


We have both "in general" (not in specifics) and "pretty accurate" which is somewhat accurate.

This is an assertion.

CJ, what, specially, have you found incorrect?

What do you find only "pretty" accurate? What does this less than "accurate" look like? Is there missing elements? Is there principle not applied? Have you found principles inappropriately applied?

I don't understand.

It is a challenge that could be of help.





Peter

Anonymous said...

Peter - I brought this over from a different post. A little more detail on the family move from Birmingham.

DB blog April 10, 2006:

"My dad has always strove to be in the center of God's will. I remember when we moved to Tuscaloosa right before my Senior of high school. You better believe that he was concerned about uprooting his family and moving somewhere else, but he constantly reminded us that the center of God's will is the only place we will find true fulfillment. I recall one night in particular where our whole family sat in the living room, holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying, not knowing where God was going to lead us, only having each other as stability in this chaotic world."

Link to full post - lots of tidbits in there!
http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

Bobcat

tania cadogan said...

Let me try.

The alleged shooters are googling the internet and either come across or are sent a link to his church and his videos.

He is white and middle class, the viewers are black and working class.
They all laugh at this guy pretending to be a cool dude, being seen as one of the gang, not The Man.

They follow his various videos laughing their socks off thinking what a jerk, he is so full of himself, he doesn't know what it is like in real life.
He is a privileged college jock, wannabe one of the gang, cool dude

Talk gets more aggressive, perhaps viewed under the influence of alcohol and drugs and it is decided to bring him down a peg or two.
Yeah we'll show him the truth about real life.

They go off to commit other crimes and whilst they are cruising around, they decide to go pay a visit to the pastor, push a few buttons maybe and see if he believes in what he preaches.
To them the whole thing is a joke, maybe there will be a few goodies lying around make a note and come back another time.
A few inquiries and they find out where he lives

They turn up at the house, have a look around then decide to see what happens, will they dare to ring the bell and take it from there?

They see the area is quiet and ring the bell, if no response, they can break in and steal whatever is around, no guilt cos the guy is a pastor and preaches forgiveness and all that.
They get surprised when the door is opened by a woman.
They come up with some spiel, maybe asking about the church and get invited in.
For whatever reason things go wrong, maybe they felt disrespected, drugs or alcohol are in their veins.
They perhaps ask for some money being as how they are poor and all that, whatever the reason they decide to rob the place.
Amanda does nothing to stop them until perhaps they head towards the stairs where her son is sleeping in his crib.
She reacts to stop them and gets hit in the mouth with a gun.
By now things have gone real bad, arguments maybe panic even.
They can be recognised and maybe her husband is due home.
Amanda is making a noise, perhaps trying to get to her son.
Two leave whilst the 'leader' decides what to do.
He knows they can be recognised, he knows they will do serious time, maybe he gets angered at the rich white ***** and decides to get his own back for perceived slights.
He will make her respect him.
He tells her to strip or he takes off her clothing, making her vulnerable and also showing her who is the boss.
She isn't his better, she is not too good for him, she is just another ***** who thinks she is better than everyone else and needs taking down a peg or two.

She instead does the christian thing which makes him angrier, he shoots her and then takes whatever he sees to hand out with him and telling his accomplices who are asking what the ****happened as they heard the shots, to say nothing, it was dealt with.

A simple joke about the guy spouting preacher stuff pretending to be one of the young dudes ends up as a double murder

Anonymous said...

Peter: no, I haven't watched the office, but my kids have.

I see what you mean, in both cases.

This is interesting... Then it is in our nature to lie, but somehow, it is also in our nature to reveal the lie.


SLH

tania cadogan said...

Davey is not involved except for that he posted his sermons and Q&A's on the internet and the wrong type of people found them and decide a bit of fun was to be had.

Peter Hyatt said...

SLH,

She said that it went bad the day they returned from the honeymoon and he was always at work. These were her assertions. Also note her response when he says pregnancy made it go bad.

It is important that we see it from each perspective and it is there that it makes sense.

Female: it went bad immediately because he went to work.
Male: A wife can be a real help or a real hinderance to a ministry.

Female: I want him. I love him so much I want him to be with me. He is too busy .
Male: I want sex from her. I cannot even follow her conversation until I have had sex. (this is to say that there is something very wrong with him and it has to do with sex, and his view of women, in general.

Next, take the inappropriate "remark" that cost him TWO LETTER grades.

Then, take the inappropriate sexual talk to his church and in his wife's presence.

This is one twisted and disturbed, howbeit driven and talented man.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

tania cadogan said...
Davey is not involved except for that he posted his sermons and Q&A's on the internet and the wrong type of people found them and decide a bit of fun was to be had.

November 28, 2015 at 5:04 PM Delete


I have not considered this, but it could be enough guilt to change pronouns.

But...

there is that word "but"....

Would this produce the inability to say "I love Amanda"?

If I had inadvertantly caused my wife's death, I would likely speak openly of it, blame myself and talk about how much I love or loved her.

Great thinking, Hobs.

I am looking for scenarios that clear Davey Blackburn of any association.

Peter Hyatt said...

Then it is in our nature to lie, but somehow, it is also in our nature to reveal the lie.


SLH



Well said. I wish i had worded it this way.

ph

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Peter - I brought this over from a different post. A little more detail on the family move from Birmingham.

DB blog April 10, 2006:

"My dad has always strove to be in the center of God's will. I remember when we moved to Tuscaloosa right before my Senior of high school. You better believe that he was concerned about uprooting his family and moving somewhere else, but he constantly reminded us that the center of God's will is the only place we will find true fulfillment. I recall one night in particular where our whole family sat in the living room, holding each other, crying, hugging, and praying, not knowing where God was going to lead us, only having each other as stability in this chaotic world."

Link to full post - lots of tidbits in there!
http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/2006_04_01_archive.html

Bobcat



Yes, that says it. What he did was likely so bad that they had to uproot and leave. It is very sad. The description of the family crying is terribly sad.

Heather said,

"I don't know if I have ever come across someone in the public so shallow with the inability to think of others...."

This, as I read the entry to her.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Any time I see the phrase "real world" it typically means they have no intention of helping anyone and everything and everyone is survival of the fittest with a political agenda in the works. Never fails. They believe whole-heatedly they are the only ones that know how the "real world" works.

Typically, they've never been exposed to it other than via the remote control.

Peter Hyatt said...

If Davey Blackburn is eventually arrested, I know there is someone else who will not be surprised besides the detectives, internet trolls and Fox News broadcasters...

The mentor, himself.

Peter

Anonymous said...

I think it's possible Davey Blackburn wasn't involved in his wife's murder. I watched most (75%) of the Love Songs sermon on Vimeo, the one about "Bringing Sexy Back" or something, and I was so impressed with how he nailed it, in his message to men. He showed a very good understanding & insight of women, and empathy and concern for them. Be interested in her intellect, her thoughts, her feelings, etc. Also his saying that sex is an act of love, even calling sex "spiritual". That youtube video "The Intriguing Murder of Amanda Blackburn and Her Intriguing Husband" takes clips from that sermon out of context and adds spooky music, and is therefore heavily editorialized. In the actual video of the sermon, DB comes across as having extremely high E.Q. (emotional quotient) in that video, and the sermon is loaded with good advice and wisdom. A person doesn't get that smart about people without an enduring genuine interest & empathy. If a person looks only at the early post-murder TV interviews, they will come away thinking of him as socially inept, which is he not!

Carnival Barker said...

I've been wondering, where was Davey "working" all day? He rents the auditorium of a school for his performances on Sundays, and that pic he posted of the sermon he was working on appeared to be taken at his kitchen table.

When he spoke about coming home after 10 p.m. on his second day of marriage, he quickly circled back and assured the audience that he got home that late because, of course, he was working.

I just noticed something important while I was looking up the address for Resonate. The location for ATM 2 is on the same street as the "church" auditorium, less than five blocks away. The "burglars" drove 25 minutes away from Davey's home to use an ATM that just happened to be a 30-second drive to his church?????

Anonymous said...

Barker, someone posted somewhere (here? websleuths?) that both ATMs were on routes DB would drive. I can't even think of where to find that post now. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

My rather lengthy deleted post asserted that there is enough evidence to investigate Perry Noble in order to uncover connections.

The post went on to purely speculate that PN is behind some nefarious financial and criminal activities that will never be investigated.

PN is pulling the strings. DB is a marionette.

Mr Dos Centavos

Anonymous said...

Peter Hyatt:

I agree with you. Something was clearly "off" in the marriage.

I had a similarly hyper, self-referential neighbor and years later we discovered he had been a serial adulterer with his wife. Not saying that is the case here, but the focus on sex, the lack of a filter, is so similar.

Anonymous said...

okay I'll check the Q&A videos, haven't seen them yet...

Anonymous said...

Does anyone have a link for Q&A videos?

Anonymous said...

I was involved in a fundamental "church" in the early 1980s when they first stared coming into vogue.

At that time most of these churches were bumbling amateurs compared to what we have now - but the formula that worked and spawned the birth of the "maga-church" was to hijack Malcolm X's preaching style (by ANY means necessary, i.e. whatever is takes)

My speculation is that means getting "bums on seats" (Davey's words - not mine) and includes ANYTHING up to and including fraudulent financial and criminal activities - using Mr. Jesus as a cloaking device.

Mr Dos Centavos

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @5:50

http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/love-song-week-6-qa-with-davey-and-amanda/

SLH

SSSSS said...

Based on my own personal up-close experience with a narcissist DB is a walking talking example of one. I know from my own experience that "going to work" has the potential for making the narcissistic traits SO much worse. My husband was clinically diagnosed as having NPD so, like I said, I know from experience. It is VERY possible for no one, including her family, to know how unhappy she was with elements of her marriage. No one knew I was until I came clean. Luckily for me, my husband is not on the DB end of the narcissism scale and is now in therapy, practices meditation and mindfulness, and I am so much happier and at peace. I am so sorry Amanda didn't make it to where I am today.

SSSSS said...

oops

should be "knew" instead of "to know"

Anonymous said...

thanks SLH!!

Anonymous said...

A Freudian spelling slip in the blog post that Peter's excerpt above:

"I had spent several years building up a reputation and in one fail swoop, everything I had worked for crumbled in my hands."

If DB typed "one fail swoop" - for "one fell swoop" - some part of his mind was reinforcing his belief that the worst part of telling a lie is that is causes one to fail. Spoils one's success.

anon

Anonymous said...

Peter

The logic behind SA is sound - but not easy to learn. It is a good skill to have because it can help people with their everyday lives (business, relationships, etc). That's why I like it. But yes, I am new to it and don't quite grasp a lot of the laws and principles.

However, as I said, I do understand the logic and hence understand why the post was deleted.

Mr Dos Centavos

PS Please do an analysis of Russell Williams' (Canadian Armed Forces Officer, murderer-rapist) confession - I think it would be a fantastic template for learning.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous @ 5:27

just because DB sometimes speaks truth in his sermons (i.e. Some of the principles he teaches are right and true) does not mean that he is a reliable and faithful preacher; it does not mean that he practices what he preaches.

I think the intent here is to look at ALL of his language, the good mixed with (and contradicted by) the bad that comes out.

Take, for example, his talk on the train video about laying down his life for his wife, and honouring her. Contrast that with his mockery and inconsideration of her in reality (revealed by how he speaks about and treats her).

A broken clock is still right twice a day...

SLH

Anonymous said...

Peter:

I think a scenario in which Davey would not be responsible for the actual crime could likely come from the his authority figures, which would include, but may not be limited to, PN and Newspring.

I read that the nothingiswasted domain name was registered by PN two days after the shooting, which seems to indicate a desire to capitalize on the 'story'. I also know these mega-churches are all about the numbers. I also have heard before this of the situation between James Duncan and Newspring, which revealed a heavy-handed and cruel way of dealing with 'dissenters'. When the truth was too difficult to avoid, they settled.

Are these people capable of something like this? I believe so.

Sadly, they call themselves a church and trample on the name of Christ.

SLH

Sus said...

I do not think that DB was connected to the shooter or the other two burglars. BUT, I think it's a good possibility DB used the manipulation narcissists are so good at to bring certain events about. All non-provable.

He may have put a bug in the ear of the right person who he knew directed others to burglarize. For instance, he may have "innocently" dropped hints that the lady down the street is gone a lot and owns more than her share of TV's. He may have given out when he leaves every morning to the wrong person "on purpose."

Having had experience with a narcissist, I may not be able to explain it, but I know exactly how they drop those hints and look innocent doing it.

DB describes himself as a risk taker. I know what that means, also. He means he's risking someone else's life, provoking a trajedy, so he can feel. It's a high to him. He will need a bigger high next time to feel. Probably by his own hands. I thought this one probably was.

Next post I'll put the quote where he's explaining his need to feel.

Anonymous said...

what does this mean? husband is to lay down his life for spouse. i watched the vid at train.
the wife submission part alluded to sex it seems. and the submission is still valid today DB says. he qualifies the wife submission by stating a husband is called to die, therefore having a higher responsibilty i guess. now how exactly is a husband called to die? in what reference or context does this have meaning? were these Q & A's really submitted to him by others? or a manipulation to get her to accept things she would not agree to? anyone can cite examples of wife submission, but how does the husband 'die' for wife????

tania cadogan said...

If we go we the premise that the assault and murder was just completely random, a case of Amanda being in the wrong place at the wrong time, the only explanation for the language and behavior of davey is that:

The marriage was in trouble and he knew it.
The marriage was one of convenience rather than love.
He did not love Amanda.
He resented Amanda for being what he could not be.
He resented the expense having a child would bring.
He resented the expense a second child would bring.
He had a voracious sexual appetite in which anything went in the bedroom.
His sexual appetite and peccadilloes were not being met by Amanda for whatever reason.
Money was due to be paid back to cover the startup creating further financial headaches.
He saw himself as a megapastor with thousands attending each week and failing miserable to get into double or even treble figures.
He thought he was in for an easy life with money flowing in, only to find out it was hard work.
He is vain and resented the fact he was getting older.
He bragged about being mistaken for 19 and 20.
Everything is all about appearance.
His expectations failed to materialise.
He was sexually interested in other women.
Did he act on this interest?
His own ego cannot and will not accept that he is not living the perfect life as per his vision.
He is not getting what he was told to expect.
He wasn't getting the attention he felt he deserved.
He used shock tactics to get a reaction rather than the power and persuasion of his voice and his faith.

He sees this as a business opportunity.
He has been told by his mentor to make the most of what happened to get "the word out there"
He is relieved that his financial problems have been eased.
He will allow grandparents to raise his son as he is so busy with the church.
He is jealous that he didn't think of this himself.
He is jealous of the attention a dead Amanda is getting.
He is angry he is not the centre of attention.
He is glad to be free of family responsibilities.
He is immature.
He is a narcissist.
The world owes him big time for whatever perceived slights he has.
Amanda was sinful and deserved to be punished.
Amanda was a sinner and he has been free from associating with a sinner.
He saw her as a temptress who didn't practice what she supposedly promised.
He believes that god had her killed for a reason, to make him stronger perhaps?
It is a test of his faith.
He was selfish about his love thus the person he loved was taken away.
He is being punished for something he did.
He is simply so self centered that unless something directly happens to him physically and/or mentally he cannot show any of the normal language and emotions.
He is simply too broken to function normally and cannot be fixed, and, in the future will either kill or commit suicide.

Mdkd6262 said...

I believe it's arrogance, not ignorance, that allows the "leaking" such as the example of DB using the gun as a prop 2 days before she is gunned down... these type leaks are birthed from an arrogant belief in one's superior intellect to outsmart anyone who tries to challenge him

Anonymous said...

What?
Really?
What?
OMG.
I'm feeling sick.

Anonymous said...

PN is acting all antagonistic about football today on twitter and telling people to leave church if his tweets offend. Meglomanic

Anonymous said...

(I only mention PN twitter if you want to see a probable manipulative narcissist in real time action)

tania cadogan said...

Peter Hyatt said...

tania cadogan said...
Davey is not involved except for that he posted his sermons and Q&A's on the internet and the wrong type of people found them and decide a bit of fun was to be had.

November 28, 2015 at 5:04 PM Delete


I have not considered this, but it could be enough guilt to change pronouns.

But...

there is that word "but"....

Would this produce the inability to say "I love Amanda"?

If I had inadvertantly caused my wife's death, I would likely speak openly of it, blame myself and talk about how much I love or loved her.

Great thinking, Hobs.

I am looking for scenarios that clear Davey Blackburn of any association.

November 28, 2015 at 5:07 PM


You are trying to compare davey to yourself.
You are not comparing like with like.
The presumption is, that he would do the expected like all us normal people would do.
He indicates for being abnormal.

What then is the cause of his abnormality?
Genetic?
Learned?
Environment?

His obsession with sex would lead me to wonder if he has been abused as a child or perhaps even more recently.
Is he torn between seeing his wife as a lover or a mother and cannot reconcile them both to being the same woman.
He placed her on a pedestal and worshiped all that she embodied and this conflicted with his faith in god.
He could not love his god if he loved his wife.
He sacrificed his earthly love for his wife to keep his soul pure and ready for heaven.
He then realises that his wife was not perfect, she was mortal like the rest of us, his image of her is shattered and now he resents her for who she turned out to be, mortal, not saintly.

I also wonder if davey had issues with his mother?
Did he have issues with women with responsibility for him such as teachers, babysitters etc.

He cannot bring himself to say he loved Amanda, the Amanda he loved was never real, it was an image, an ideal, immortal.
The Amanda he lived with and who died was mortal, her body was soiled, dirty, unclean.

I wonder if he has some form of OCD?

Sus said...

Davey Blackburn
"I don't get it even. I don't understand the peace that I'm, I feel. Uh, um, and I know I'm going to go in so many ways and so many emotions, but, um, I, I. As a pastor you sit across from people and you try to help explain this to people, and um, when they go through things, and um, it's all theory, it's all theology, and um, now when you go through it, and it's reality, it um, it shakes you a little bit. And it, um, makes you go, you know, 'man, do I really believe this stuff?', and um, and I can honestly say through all of this we do. Um, and um, I'm not, and sometimes I wonder if like you really know if you do believe it when, you know, it happens. (He smiled here.) And then when it happens, you know, and the peace that we feel is its testimony to um, um, Jesus is real in our hearts. And I've looked at our family. I've looked at our friends. And I'm like I see peace and I see joy in their hearts through all of this."

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Jen Ow said...

Wow Carnival Barker! Great catch!

Just one more 'coincidence'?!?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at at 4:21 PM
Your "fun fact" on the musivc festival lays a basis for mapping the disruption the lies caused in his family's life.

At the time of the music festival, 2004, DB was an 18 y/o senior at Tuscaloosa County High School.

Other media report that DB "was once a student at Shades Valley High School.” “Davey Blackburn went to Shades Valley High School through his junior year.”

Seemls like his "lie" caused a family move from Birmingham to Tuscaloosa County High School in Northport, Alabama. Northport, across the river from downtown Tuscaloosa, is a small town with an estimated population of 24,497 in 2013.

Distance between Birmingham and Northport is 58 miles. Too far for a commute. Davey’s father moved churches, to Tuscaloosa 1st Wesleyan Church.

Later the parents moved to North Carolina where David’s father is pastor at the NEXT church in Brevard.

anon

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Anonymous said...

* correction, singular lie, not "lies."
anon

Carnival Barker said...


@Jen,

It's so close that GoogleMaps will only show me how to get there by walking or bus stop.

His odds are now reaching astronomical proportions.

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Anonymous said...

Anonymous at at 7:02 PM

Yes, that's my impression. Over and above his vibe and his occasional over-compensating anti-gay jibes, I was knowkced back by his Double V zinger in one of his sex sermons. Watch the Saturday Night video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx_GK9GDNVs

DB, discussing women (Amanda), shopping, men's clothes, sends out a zinger citation of this sketch. Like a standup comic he allows a beat for one anyone who "gets" the joke to laugh out loud. Kind of a wink.

Who was he aiming this at? Surely not at wives or women in the audience.

anon

Confused said...

Off Topic:

Is anyone still following the Madden case? I was intrigued by Peter's analysis of Timothy Madden, watched the interview several times, and also watched a non-verbal analysis of an interview with Timothy Madden. Peter's analysis is very compelling and I am 99% sure he is guilty. However, that being said, and proceeding with the assumption that he is guilty, did anyone see the video of Madden being charged in court where the murdered girl's mother is shown overcome with grief, absolutely heartbreaking, however I was confused somewhat by my impression of the father who seems emotionless. I am a woman, however, if I were a man there is no way I could sit still I would be overcome with rage at Timothy Madden, I just was struck by the father's emotionless face. I also wondered about something he had written on facebook that was shown in a news article. Again, I am 99% sure Timothy Madden is guilty, this is not in question. I am just very confused about some of the nonverbal signals of the father and don't understand how he can seem so emotionless with such a grievous thing having happened to his daughter.

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Carnival Barker said...


Wow, ABB. Please continue to sign your posts so I'll know to instantly skip over them.

Just wow.

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Confused said...

I haven't even followed this case or know what the case is about but just read ABB's comments.

Many pastors are closet gays and wife abusers.
I do think gay people are mentally disturbed. I don't judge them but I don't celebrate their sexuality, I think it is disgusting.
Gay men married to women are some of the most conniving, great liars, and biggest users out there. They secretly hate women and are some of the most abusive spousal abusers out there because the woman is merely a prop and they vent their neverending rage onto them. They are also extremely good at hiding their gay affairs.
OK, now I will have to read what this case is even about.

Anonymous said...

Wow ABB. add me as another who does not care for your gay slurs, and I don't wish to read them here.

Anonymous said...

Suits me just fine Carnival Barker. I find a lot of your posts a little remiss sometimes too, I just don't respond. ABB

Anonymous said...

Suit yourself Anon @7:50. I'm a happy camper either way.

The Bible and the teachings of God and Jesus is against this type of sexual sin. Maybe some of you who bow the knee and pay homage to satan ought to read up on it. That's not to say that I don't think He forgives, as I believe He does. ABB

Anonymous said...

This is exactly why he could be gay: look at the hate pouring out. Can you imagine being gay and having to live with this rhetoric? I have wondered if he is gay, though he doesn't trip my gaydar as much as PN does (sirens/dings/gaydar at 100%). If DB is gay, he is very very very closeted to the point where he could be having gay sex but still claim to be totally straight. The denial can be that strong.

Anonymous said...

Wow...seems like this conversation has gone way off base...probably best to get back to the issue at hand.

SLH

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:57. EVERYTHING should be considered, including whether or not DB is "gay". Sorry, but we need to explore ALL.

Confused said...

Still reading up on case, but saw a pic of him on Peter's Ques and Ans post about the case, and yeah, you can tell by looking at him he is gay.

Anonymous said...

"Queer" is not a word I use, Anon @7:49. It was used merely for the benefit of describing what they do to each other. But do I care? Hell no. They'll pay the price for it themselves, with no help from me. Actually, I don't refer to them with any word, publically, nor in their presence. I do not bash them or anyone else. They have a right to be sickening if that's what they choose. Which, they DO chose. No skin off my nose.

No I am not bigoted like you may think. Just, I try not to do business with them, knowing how much they hate attractive smart women in business, they will screw her over every time if given the chance; nor do I like their hand touching mine. Who knows where it's been? I sure don't. So much for that.... ABB

Anonymous said...

If he was gay, it could help explain his frustrations with sexuality and that he was taking it out on his wife who should have fixed him with hetero sex.

Confused said...

I looked at more pictures. He is gay.

Probably murder for hire. He was probably pissed she was pregnant since he already had her and the other baby as his "cover" for being gay. Who knows? Maybe he was afraid he had given her AIDS and didn't want it showing on the pregnancy AIDS test. He was probably engaging in gay sex at the gym.

Boston Lady said...

An interesting case is on Dateline Mystery tonite. It is called "Fallen" it's the story of the Pastor whose two wives died in suspicious accidents. Started at 8pm EST.

Just thought I'd share :)

Anonymous said...

Confused at 7:49; you are absolutely and totally, 100% right. They destroy women, particularly any woman who makes the misfortunate mistake of marrying one. I know of that which I speak. Any woman who is so vocal in their defense ought to have to go marry one, live with their deceit, and shyt, and see how they like THAT...! ABB

Anonymous said...

ABB SAID:

"Queer" is not a word I use, Anon @7:49. It was used merely for the benefit of describing what they do to each other. But do I care? Hell no. They'll pay the price for it themselves, with no help from me. Actually, I don't refer to them with any word, publically, nor in their presence. I do not bash them or anyone else. They have a right to be sickening if that's what they choose. Which, they DO chose. No skin off my nose.

No I am not bigoted like you may think. Just, I try not to do business with them, knowing how much they hate attractive smart women in business, they will screw her over every time if given the chance; nor do I like their hand touching mine. Who knows where it's been? I sure don't. So much for that.... ABB

November 28, 2015 at 8:04 PM

Anonymous said...

oh, i'd say the brutal savages who killed a defenseless young mother is more disgusting. lets veer back. google Zoe Hasting and Tanya Chamberline. recent brutal murders by the savages.

Anonymous said...

Right again, Confused @ 8:08.... This has been my opinion from the beginning. He has worked too hard at proving what a manly he-man he is to actually be one. It's all for show. If I'm wrong, which I doubt, I'll be the first to say so. ABB

GeekRad said...

Finally,I have WiFi. After reading the affidavit I concluded that this was drugged thugs gone horrific. That was based on the statements by the cooperative individual. Upon reflection, the CI may be starting what he/she was told,not having been told the truth. Or may be the the connection to Davey or the church. Too much is off in this case, and investigators cleared Davey far too quickly. I am waiting cor the other shoe to drop. There is no way Davey could be cleared of involvement that quickly. He, his church and PN need to be thoroughly investigated. Catching the thugs is a little too convenient.

Confused said...

Have you guys seen this quick youtube video about the case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3OJRzmtijc

He talks about how he has to block himself from porn sites lmao! Right! Gay porn!

And then he makes a joke about how at date night with his wife if they end up having sex later than she intended he can "bring the butter". That is gay.

His mannerisms are very gay and it is also clear he is in love with himself. Who do you think he gazed at more? His wife or himself in the mirror?

I guarantee she was just a prop to him. He may have had very little sex with her, possibly none, although she was pregnant. He probably treated her with extreme contempt. Probably multiple sex partners at the gym. Probably murder for hire.

tania cadogan said...

ABB do you know where the hand has been of any person you meet?
Their hands have been in exactly the same places as everyone elses.
Women have touched their partners male parts and men have touched their partners female parts
The same applies to gays and lesbians, bisexuals, pansexuals and what about transgenders.

You obviously don't know just how unhygienic heterosexuals can be.
do you ask the sexual preference of every person you come into contact with before doing business?

I only hope that no gay or lesbian ever has to have dealings with you.
you come across as bigoted and unpleasant.

You are also leaking a lot of marbles.

Boston Lady said...

Thank you Hobs.

SSSSS said...

Carnival Barker @ 7:41 - hahaha! I'm with you! Goodness gracious, Lord have mercy, the conversation veered WAY off track there. Thanks for making me laugh tonight! Too bad that I'm not a robot check doesn't have an I'm not an idiot check.

Anonymous said...

So if Bd has a personality disorder and if PN probably has a personality disorder, if DB brings stress and chaos and a murder investigation to his mentor, will we then see PN start to melt down (like twitter feuds over football?). The people complaining are complaining about how PN talks and treats people. He is defensive, dismissive and arrogant in his replies.

Carnival Barker said...


@Hobbs,

Well said.

I backed off for fear of slipping on all those leaked marbles.

Sus said...

ABB,
Every point you made is actually what a narcissist does sexually to his partner when he moves from the idealization phase into the devalue phase. Showing no interest in his partner is one weapon in his arsenal.

If you would like to get deeper, there are two types of narcissists. The cerebral narcissist has no interest in sex with a person. He fakes it to get a wife. He then goes back to his preferred sex...porn and self.

For anyone that's interested, the third phase of the cycle after idealization and devalue, is discardment. I believe we saw the devaluing of Amanda on those videos. Discardment would be a full mental block to seeing Amanda as a person, as a human with value.

SSSSS said...

Those Perry Noble tweet ... is he drunk?!! Wow. Wow. Wow. Actually, there aren't enough Wows to type.

Anonymous said...


Carnival Barker said...at at 4:55 PM

I've been listening, Peter! The marriage went bad the first day they got back from their honeymoon!
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The marriage went bad on the honeymoon. Witness the videos.


1) Amanda overjoyed, ecstatic, physically happy and open, at a ballgame. AB, as he hugs her and kisses her cheek, glances away from her cheek at the camera.

2) Amanda tired at Miami Airport on an unscheduled 12 hour lay-over on the way down from Chicago to Cancun. Amanda not expecting to do this video convo (with his parents) "here," but she accommodates. DB lights up as he talks on the phone to "You guys" (family in S. Carolina). Amanda brightens and says "We're excited to be here," DB put's her excitement down with sarcasm: "Extremely excited, can't you tell," doing s/thing weird with his eyes. Dissociating from intimacy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH2E7SuWW-U

3)don't have a link for this one - anyone? - a video in the bedroom at the honeymoon hotel. DB pretends to see a big brown spider to frighten Amanda. A school boy prank. Again, he's fleeing the intimacy of marital love.

anon

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Carnival Barker said...


@Anon 8:42,

I don't disagree with you. I have a feeling that the morning after DB's defiling of her, she knew that she had made a big mistake.

But the question Peter posed was based on Statement Analysis. When did Amanda *tell* us the marriage went bad.

SSSSS said...

Seriously ya'll ... Perry Noble over on Twitter. I can't even ...

Anonymous said...

@Carnival Barker 8:52 PM
But the question Peter posed was based on Statement Analysis. When did Amanda *tell* us the marriage went bad.
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My mistake, I was beyond SA bounds. Looks and gestures and eye rolls are non-verbal communications and this site focuses on verbal communication.

I would question the jump in your remark "after DB's defiling of her, she knew that she had made a big mistake." Amanda gives no sign of feeling or saying that physical love defiles.

In video #1 as the crowd makes beautiful music out of "Take me out to the ball game" she smiles open-mouthed, eyes shining, soft and generous and in love.

Where is the morning after video or text?

anon

Confused said...

Could the "lie" in high school have been him sexual assaulting someone and then lying about it? Or lying and saying someone else did it when it was really him? If he sexually assaulted someone that would ruin his reputation and could have caused his parents to relocate them. I mean, if you think about it, what else could it have been that ruined his reputation and caused his family to have to move?

Also, wasn't Amanda sexually assaulted? Is it a given that the killer did that to her? Or could it have been DB that did it? Could this have been something that happened somewhat regularly? Perhaps as a result of him being angry that she was a woman, as an attempt to defile her womanhood? And she was afraid to ever report it because it would ruin her husband's reputation just as had happened to him in high school. Could she have been threatening to report sexual assaults?

Anonymous said...

Ya'll startin' to get a whiff of ABB and Dos boy, eh? SA is a subject far removed from those dos.

Kinda like tryin' to trap the gay mafia or somethin'. ABB has two transvestites living with her. She has nurtured a raped toddler, spent 6 years rehabbing her alcoholic/druggy son who finally died, the other is on the streets, and her charity is bring the transvestites into her home. Wonder if she invites the granddaughter over and supplies the booze?

Yet, she is a smart, beautiful business woman whom men can't help but lay hands on. Has worked on Trump projects and loves God dearly. She delegates well, too. Which is why her son never got dried out.

Compare the death room each time she brings up the subject. He vacuumed is always in it. He left a car title for her as hers konked out. He left his childhood toy. And, the next time there's no telling what he left...two transvestites I'd assume.

GeekRad said...

The media has given up on this story.Arrests made the handsome pastor innocent. It makes me sick that investigators and media don't have the motivation to dig and not let go. I found this blog for that very reason. Peter has never given up on Hailey Dunn. And he won't give up on Amanda, even if investigators and media do. Thank you Peter and bloggers here.

GeekRad said...

SSSSS,what PN tweets?

Confused said...

Anyone looked at any of his language for words suggestive of sexual assault?

Anonymous said...

The last paragraph on this post isn't that unusual as some pastors are moved from time to time. To be connected to and then removed from church family is upsetting. It may have nothing to do with DB's lie at all. A pastor wouldn't uproot his family over sin! Not in a modern world where any and everyone is corruptible. As young as DB is, they (his parents) are bound to know the ropes, public school system, the surrounding area, etc.

To make this dreadful homicide more than it is speaks volumes about the people escalating it.

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SSSSS said... at9:02 PM

What put Perry Noble on this Twitter tear?

anon

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:11,
Bravo! You nailed it. I'm so sorry that you had to sleep ..er.. I mean read through all her drivel, but your comment was worth it!

BL said...

to the person who didn't know why Davey was saying husbands should die for their wives, it's implied in the Bible in a number of places, and open to different interpretation by different Christians. Davey is saying it means he literally should be willing to die for his wife, but it seems like he just liked the sound of that and was trying to portray himself as the opposite of selfish/narcissist. Here's a commentary on the main verse in Ephesians 5:25: "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;"

Clark's Commentary on the Bible: "Husbands, love your wives - Here is a grand rule, according to which every husband is called to act: Love your wife as Christ loved the Church. But how did Christ love the Church? He gave himself for it - he laid down his life for it. So then husbands should, if necessary, lay down their lives for their wives: and there is more implied in the words than mere protection and support; for, as Christ gave himself for the Church to save it, so husbands should, by all means in their power, labor to promote the salvation of their wives, and their constant edification in righteousness. Thus we find that the authority of the man over the woman is founded on his love to her, and this love must be such as to lead him to risk his life for her..."

Anonymous said...

For additional perspective on that morning's events, here's a link to a Google Earth map I put together showing the relevant locations (based on information in the Affidavit for Probable Cause and other public information):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93706907/Blackburn_Case_Map.jpg

Note, I couldn't locate the street number for the suspects' starting point and the location of the first robbery, so approximate locations are shown.

Let me know if you see anything that needs correction.

SD

Confused said...

DB gives off a rapist vibe to me.

I googled the reference he made referring to sex with his wife saying he "would go get the butter". Very disturbing--refers to anal sex rape scene in a movie.

The fact that he said that about her in front of an audience and then said "that went right over her head" is SOOOOOOO degrading. So we know he degraded her.

What did he do in high school? What was his lie? Did he rape and say that the victim actually consented?

There is no way that this sick puppy wasn't involved in her murder.

Anonymous said...

thank you BL.

wasnt that vid made very close prior to her dying?

Anonymous said...

PN seems to have taken serious personal offense at the accusations against DB. It's standard procedure for everyone close to a victim to be investigated immediately when something happens. Instead of praising investigators for being thorough and saying DB is an open book and welcomes the scrutiny in order to help the investigation proceed quickly, PN is preaching forgiveness of the suspects and blasting anyone who dares speak of suspicion of DB. It's not am appropriate response.

Boston Lady said...

I just read PN's tweets from this afternoon. Very strange. He was arguing with 15 year olds. I don't know his normal but for a rather well known pastor of his church, it's not expected..or what I would expect.

https://twitter.com/perrynoble

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Anonymous said...

Okay, I don't know if this answers the description of the assignment, DB not involved...

He counsels with someone who is either one of the thugs or connected with them. In the course of this counseling, he drops facts like that he always goes to the gym on such and such day, he is usually gone for so long, and they pick up on this idea thinking no one will likely be home at this particular house at this particular time.



A said...

Perry Noble is melting down on Twitter. Fun to watch.

Anonymous said...


What has been said here that would elicit a visit to someone's house?

Anonymous said...

9:11, you couldn't be further from the truth, but since you're having such a good time defaming me, you just go right ahead.

Should you not realize it, I know how to track you down and report you to the Dept of Justice for defaming my good character and that of my sons. Now that I've made you aware, you might want to rethink your insults of me and my home? Keep in mind, I know how to prove my worth and you don't.

Have a large time, just keep it up. It will all be to my benefit. ABB

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A said ...

Melting down! Good way to put it! He's gone crazy over there!

https://twitter.com/perrynoble

To the question above about what put him on the tear .. football, evidently! Strange.

AMJ said...

Maybe "pastor p" (vomit) is having himself a little "pep rally." Rallying the troops for an unavoidable and inevitable battle he sees coming in the very near future. I'm already seeing his faithful minions infiltrating the FB site for Amanda and on here occasionally defending their best friend poor Davey. Seems like he's setting an example for how to deal with the opposition. L Ron Hubbard would be proud of his leadership abilities.

Lemon said...

Hobs@8:20

ALL the bonus points to you and 3(!) cookies too! :)

Lemon

Anonymous said...

"The fabricator of reality holds the world in contempt".


I respectfully disagree.

"fabrication" is subjective.

I have lied outright, to my partner. for example. "Are you enjoying" (the meal she has cooked) Yes, it's lovely hun. I have lied to her. It's nice, but, not, "lovely". I chose the word "lovely" from my "PSID", a lie. I "fabricated," because i did not want to upset her. Here's the kicker. She knew i "lied" "fabricated" But, no harm was done. i wasn't being "100" truthful. But, I do not hold her in "contempt"

SSSSS said...

AMJ ...
He's setting an example I guess. And he called Davey crazy. Pot, kettle, black.

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Confused said...

In the stupid sermon he gives while holding the gun he is talking about "getting rid of worry". What was he worried about? Could he have been regularly sexually assaulting his wife and was afraid that she would report it?

One of the first things he says is "instead of worrying about that phone call, instead of worrying about that medical bill.

Phone call: Maybe him thinking about phone call from hired thugs telling him deed was to be done.
Medical Bill: hospital, injury, pregnancy, etc, tests done perhaps for venereal disease (AIDS)

I have now watched several videos of DB. He is overcompensating about his "out of control" sex drive for women because he is gay. I have also seen him make references that suggest strongly that he may have violated his wife sexually. Perhaps using deviant acts out of anger she is a woman?

He also speaks of reading his wife's diary before she died which means his behavior was very invasive. Suggesting a higher propensity for violence.

I also wonder about the medical references. I wonder if he has some type of venereal disease which he may have been worried he passed onto his wife such as AIDS. Pregnancy would further complicate that situation.

Lemon said...

Ah yes, the Department of Justice.
#goodtimes

sherry said...

Hello everyone - I have been lurking here for about a week, reading Peter's analysis and the comments on the blog.

My observations and some questions I have:

1. Was it normal for DB to leave the door unlocked when he left for the gym or was it just this day?
2. I find it a very convenient alibi that not only was DB at the gym when Amanda was killed, but that it happened on the one day during the week DB talks to his friend in another state (every Tuesday for an hour in the morning).
3. I also found it odd that the friend tweeted how much he enjoyed this conversation that morning. Like he was giving a statement that DB was tied up. I have wondered if DB somehow manipulated this friend into tweeting this alibi.
4. Why didn't Amanda lock the front door when the killer went outside with his friends to give them the debit cards? Was she unconscious from the punch? At the very least, I would think she'd make her way upstairs and lock herself inside a room with her son.
5. Why would she have charged at someone holding a gun on her unless she thought he was going to harm her child?
6. Why didn't they take her credit cards? Why didn't they take her wedding/engagement rings?
7. Why go 17 miles out of the way to a dead end street where the houses are close together? Why did they pick the one house where the owners were not home? How did they know? Why that street, on that day, at that time of the morning when people are sure to be getting up and heading out to work, school, etc.?
8. Did the other two leave because they knew Amanda would be murdered and they wrongfully believed if they weren't there they couldn't be charged for the crime?
9. DB's demeanor after the murder was just plain odd. Even a stranger would show more hurt, anger, sadness, etc. than her own husband did.
10. He is a narcissist. I am married to a narcissist, which is how I can recognize it. After 19 years of marriage, my husband's condition came to light last January. In hindsight, I can see all of the indicators, but when you're in it, you start to think "Maybe it's me." Narcissists are very good at shifting the blame onto you and you not even realizing it. They never admit they are wrong and they never apologize. Ever.

Amanda probably made excuses for his behavior (he's overworked, he's stressed, etc.) to others. Because Amanda was so nice, he could roll over her. She more than likely enabled his narcissism. I have little doubt that her home life was not a happy one. I also believe that the more successful their church became (and the more popular DB became), the worse Amanda's home life became.

There is a part of me that believes almost 100% in DB's guilt. There are just too many coincidences for him not to be involved in some way. On the other hand, he may just be a narcissist and his lack of empathy, his love of self and belief that God has made all of this happen to make him rich and famous makes him the most unsympathetic 'character' in "Amanda's Story."

Anonymous said...

Good posts Confused. My thoughts exactly. Thank you too Sus, for your further enlightenment concerning narcissism. All those definitions can also point to being homosexual, bi-sexual, or being a deceitful nasty little closet queen, or as in the present crisis with little David, being a frik'n pansy. Is this better? Whatever. It's all relative.

In re Preacher Nobel, it being Saturday Nite, one would think he would be preparing his Sunday sermon, praying, studying his bible and getting ready for his big day of counting the money tomorrow. ABB

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GeekRad said...

All very good questions sherry. And ones the investigators should be asking. I certainly would like LE to answer those very questions.

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Anonymous said...

If Peter will forgive me this transgression:

The narcissist I knew was a mostly hetero sex addict who was juggling a few women at the same time. After it all went down in a ball of flames and his main GF found out that among other things he downloaded an app on her phone that allowed him to secretly track all of her communications (phone, texts, email) and also gave him the ability to LISTEN in the house through the phone (which she later found out he listened to her having sex wifh new BF)... Well she spilled all the dirty details...

He bought her a "male appendage strap on" and liked for her to dominate his rear entrance with it. She hated it but he wanted it so she reluctantly indulged him.

There could be all kinds of proclivities here if he's a sex addict like he portrays.

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Rella said...

Is it even possible to slander someone who posts as "anonymous", with only their initials?

Anonymous said...

IMO this would not have occured had he locked the door. the front door.has DB ever once mentioned that? considering his Q & A train vid about the husband 'DYING' for his wife.and SHE dies soon afterward!? seems that guilt would be overwhelming if its true he left door unlocked. not unlikely AB was still in bed at that time.

SSSSS said...

I love it when people post suggesting others have no life when they are here themselves posting. Too funny.

GeekRad said...

All very good questions sherry. And ones the investigators should be asking. I certainly would like LE to answer those very questions.

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Rella said...

Yes I understand that. But the person you said you would report to the DOJ doesn't know you, doesn't know your real name, so how is it possible for them to slander your character?

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Anonymous said...

Please contact the DOJ--I am sure he will get a good chuckle out of it.


Now, that DOJ is investigating, can we please get back on topic?

Anonymous said...

He vacuumed. She medicated him. He left the title.

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