Monday, November 30, 2015

Kenneth Wagnor Statement Analysis

Kenneth Wagner

This from Christianpost.com with analysis added after the quotes.  You can read the entire article there.  

Indiana Pastor Davey Blackburn of Resonate Church was talking with his college roommate, Pastor Kenneth Wagner, on the telephone as his wife, Amanda, lay dying after an attack during a home invasion two weeks ago.

Wagner, who is pastor of United Church in Delaware, is first mentioned in the affidavit of probable cause against Amanda's suspected killer, Larry Jo Taylor Jr., 18, and his accomplice, Jalen Watson, 21. A copy of the document was shared with The Christian Post by the Marion County Prosecutor's Office on Tuesday.

On the morning of Nov. 10, when his 28-year-old wife was fatally shot in the head, arm and back, Blackburn told detectives that he left his home at about 6 a.m. to go to the L.A. Fitness gym located at 4015 Shore Drive in Indianapolis.
At approximately 7:10 a.m. Blackburn said he left the gym and was talking with Wagner at the time.

"Blackburn stated that he remained on the phone on the way home and was still on the phone when he arrived home at approximately 7:30 a.m. He stayed on the phone in his driveway until he entered (house) around 8:20 a.m.," the statement continued.

When Blackburn entered his home he found Amanda "face down in blood on the living room floor."

Speaking at Amanda's funeral five days later on Nov. 15, Wagner revealed that he would speak with Davey religiously every Tuesday from 7–8 in the morning. He explained how close he was to Davey and Amanda and said he was horrified to learn that Amanda had been killed.

"Tuesday I was sitting at lunch and I received a call that rocked my world forever. David had walked in and found his wife in the condition that she was in. And what you need to know about this story is that me and Davey would speak every Tuesday morning from 7–8. Davey had gotten off the phone with me, finished our conversation and walked in and found Amanda," said Wagner.

This is an important statement. 

Blackburn got home at 7:30AM but remained in the car for the next 40 minutes while Amanda Blackburn lay bleeding on the floor.  

*Did Blackburn, during this one hour regular call, always stay outside, or did he complete the call in the house, where Amanda was?

*Was there something so sensitive about the conversation that he needed to keep this from his wife?

*Was it his norm to remain in the driveway during morning calls, or would the conversation continue in the house?

"Tuesday I was sitting at lunch and I received a call that rocked my world forever. 

There is no need for us to tell us what his body posture was, but it is important to him.  This is often a signal of a slight increase in tension or importance.  "do your homework!" versus "Sit down and do your homework!" with an increase in importance. 

Next:

Note the language of impact:  "rocked my world", with the strong, "my" and not "our" even though what follows next is with his wife. 

David had walked in and found his wife in the condition that she was in. 

Note "the condition she was in" is distancing language which, in context, may be appropriately so:  she was still alive.  He also may not want, or may have been advised not to, reveal the actual condition.  This too would justify the passive-like feel to the language, making it appropriately distant.  

Note that "my world" is very close and personal venus the sudden change.  Police may have asked him not to reveal this detail.  


And what you need to know about this story 


Here is a signal that he knows more than what he says.  Please keep in mind that signals of deception, via withholding information are sometimes found in nurse, doctors, police, etc, when they have been asked not to, or are bound under laws of confidentiality. 

Having said this, "what you need to know" has the additional emphasis of "need", rather than "and what I can tell you..."

This shows that there was a "need" for the knowledge that follows.  What would people "need" to know?  He does not make us wait long for the answer:

"about this story" is to call it a "story", which is not expected.  Is this, too, due to be told not to reveal details?  Or, is "story" the language given to him, as Davey, himself, used it?

Or...

is this alibi establishment language?

Does Wagnor show an awareness that he needs to help his friend establish an alibi?  Perhaps.  The body posture increase in tension is that this call, itself, is increasing it at the time of the statement being made since it is in his recall.  


is that me and Davey would speak every Tuesday morning from 7–8. 

This is what the public has a "need" of knowing.  This is to flag the "normal" aspect of their conversation.  He now goes out of sequence, going back to what they did "every Tuesday morning from 7-8."

"Normal" is used in several ways, but they are related. 

In Statement Analysis we always flag "normal", no matter how it is worded, for sensitivity. 

When a person calls himself or herself "normal" it is an indicator that the person has likely been labeled "not" normal, by self or by others; 

When a situation is called "normal" it is a signal that it was anything but "normal."

Even young children being read to recognize this:

"It was a day like every other when..."

causing them to perk up their attention as something not very ordinary is about to be said.  It is a common signal of deception, especially in criminal statements where the subject wishes to conceal what happened; 

"Normal" as in alibi establishing.  

This could be of a result of two things:

a.  public suspicion.  
b.  His own private suspicion. 

In public suspicion, if the subject recognized that people are going to be asking, "Hey, why did he stay on the phone while Amanda lay dying?" in suspicion, here he answers it with "this is normal for him to be on the phone..." as an answer to the allegation or suspicion. 

In private, however, if he is not aware of any accusation, he is "cutting it off before it happens", which reveals his own moment of doubt of his friend, such as, "Oh, no, I hope Davey is not involved!", even if just for a single moment. 

Question:  how might we know?

Answer:  short of asking him, we look to see if there is any indication within his own language that he might entertain a doubt about his friend, Davey?
This does not mean Davey is associated with the killers, but that his friend even entertained, for a moment, that Davey could be.  


Davey had gotten off the phone with me, finished our conversation and walked in and found Amanda,

Note the order:

1.  Davey got off the phone
2.  finished our conversation
3.  walked in
4.  found Amanda

One may consider that the finish of a conversation precedes getting off the phone. 

If this is out of chronological order, it may suggest a moment of doubt; that is, a sensitivity indicator where the subject is carefully guarding his words, and not speaking from experiential memory.  

It suggests the need for alibi, and perhaps speaking from memory of what was said earlier, rather than from simple experiential memory,  which reveals doubt. 

Please recall the words of his mentor, who knew Davey before he was married to Amanda. 

He stated that he "knew" that there was something "not right about that young man" using the distancing word "that", confirming that he was suspicious.  

Did Wagnor feel the same?

The word "with" shows distance between people.  "We ended our call" is to show the conclusion but from a perspective of unity.  He used "with" to separate himself from Davey in his wording.  

In college, Blackburn said he was docked two full letter grades for just one inappropriate remark in  a sermon.  

He does not reveal what remark would drop him this significantly, but it was enough for the professor to not simply admonish, but actually punish by 2 full letter grades.  

Childhood. 

We look for psychological disturbance in the childhood of murder suspects, along with an outworking or evidence of it in adolescence.  Hence, the background, for example of Casey Anthony showed that she buried pets where she buried her daughter, and accused her father of sexual molestation, and "suddenly' began lying in high school where she eventually even lied about being pregnant, having a job, and later, about having a nanny.  The links between fabrication and murder are well known.  

Blackburn stated that he told a lie in high school but withholds what the lie was, naturally arousing the questioning from readers.  He further fuels interest in saying the single lie was such that teachers, faculty, his peers and parents turned away from him and in this year, they moved out of town and away from his father's church.  It is very difficult to know what lie would be so bad as to impact both peers and adults, but, he said, it destroyed his reputation.  He showed no empathy towards those he devoted. Lies that ostracize adults are usually met with sympathy from peers, as high school boys, in particular, are known for bad behavior in high school.  




"I got a phone call (from someone), he explained what had happened to Amanda and then he said it happened last night. I said 'that's impossible because I talked to Davey this morning,'" said Wagner.
"I began to hope, pray that it was impossible, that it wasn't reality. The texts begin to flood. The calls begin to flood, and I realized it was true. So I go home and walk in the house and tell Sherry 'I've got horrible news,'" he said.

"Sherry is my wife. We've been married for seven years. We got married three weeks before Amanda and Davey. And I watched my wife just fall to the floor and experience some of the deepest sorrow that I have ever experienced in my life," he added.



He said he and Davey went to Southern Wesleyan University in South Carolina together where they played baseball for four years.

"We were roommates together and so during that time a lot of interesting things happened. I know a lot about their relationship that most people don't. I've been around since the days when Amanda gave Davey up for Lent," he said to laughter.

In Statement Analysis, as jokes are made, we still listen to the words chosen.  This is why the "Crazy Davey" comment is a revelation that the mentor "knew" something was "wrong" with Davey. 

Here, the joke is made that Amanda "gave up" Davey for Lent.  The gist of the joke is to portray Amanda in need of getting away or giving up Davey. 

The mentor said that he offered Davey the job because of Amanda, as if Amanda would "fix" what was wrong with Davey.

People joke about what is real.  When there is no correlation, there is no sense to the joke. 

An analyst said he was teaching in the murder capital of the US and stated this, only to have a female officer quip, "I should drop my husband off here" out loud.  Since she spoke out loud and made the class laugh, he addressed her. 

"You have thought about killing your husband?", he asked.  
"No, it was just a joke" she answered. 

After the seminar she approached him and asked why he asked her that.  He said that language comes from somewhere, not from a void.  She admitted, "I am getting a divorce and I have thought that it would be so much easier if he were to just die."

Here, Kenneth Wagnor jokes, too, and it is the same theme as the mentor:  

"I don't know if you guys have heard that story but that's a good one," he quipped.
"We were riding in the car one day and we were talking about Amanda and we were like, you know Mark, his cousin, was like, 'Davey, you always wanted a girl who loved Jesus more than she loved you.' And that was what he had in Amanda. But me and Gavin looked at each other and we were like, 'that is the most irrational decision she could have ever made.' We were mad for him, Gavin, right?" he quipped again.

The rest of Wagnor's quotes reveal a genuine, heart felt, sober view of the murder, with personal connection; language specifically missing in Davey Blackburn's own.  

It is likely that both the mentor and friend have entertained the thought of,

"Could he be involved?"


"Today what I want to tell you is that there are no words that I can say that are gonna be magical. There are no words I can present to you that are going to take the pain away … to cause an instant healing. But my prayer is this: that we would all take one step closer," he said.

Conclusion:

Kenneth Wagnor showed how deeply impacted he and his wife were at the death of Amanda, but indicates sensitivity, which may be directly the result of having momentary doubt about the possibility that Davey had done something wrong. 

Even his joking is to portray Amanda as not rational to be with Davey. 

Davey's mentor also choked, but from the abundance of words, even jokes, come information and knowledge.  He not only plainly told us that something was wrong, but within his inability to describe is often found diagnosis.  

It is likely that his mentor also had his doubts when he first heard of Amanda's death. 

Both, as supporters of Blackburn, have likely seen the same bizarre wording that the rest of the world has seen, and are thrust into having defend him.  

The high school lie is examined in more detail.

Amanda Blackburn died as a result of a gunshot wound to the head two days after her husband brandished a gun during a church service. Amanda's killer is in custody.  

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Lemon said...

" Davey had gotten off the phone with me, finished our conversation and walked in and found Amanda "

It strikes me that "finished our conversation" is unnecessary. Does it contribute to the distancing to add it, to remind us he was not on the phone with Davey when he found Amanda?

Anonymous said...

They did it every Tuesday morning, religiously... but he picked THAT morning to tweet about it?? Hello, IMPD, check CD's phone records already. -TJC

Anonymous said...

Yes, earlier someone researched through 6 months of Tweets and found that Kenneth never mentioned his weekly talks with Davey except that one time, the time it matters in public opinion of DB.
I would not be surprised if the mentor immediately questioned DB about whether he was involved.

Anonymous said...

I am curious about something..would it be expected for DB to call his friend back after discovering Amanda? If they were best friends and all, and they talked every week...seems pretty close..why did his friend have to find out from someone else?

SLH

sherry said...

I would like to know how long this talking every Tuesday from 7 - 8 was going on. It is the ONLY time Kenneth Wagner ever mentions it in his tweets for the past 6 months. Why that particular morning (conveniently the morning of the murder)?

I question the closeness of Wagner and DB because Wagner only connected with DB 3 times in the last 6 months on Twitter (the morning of the murder, DB's birthday where Wagner tweeted him a belated birthday wish and a retweet of DB's wishing Wagner's church success).

DB did not directly tweet Wagner for the last 6 months and doesn't even follow Wagner on Twitter, yet we are to believe they are close.

Wagner also mentions his wife quite frequently on Twitter and is very excited about becoming a father. I think she's not much further along than Amanda was, yet there was nothing about this 2nd pregnancy in DB's tweets.

I think Wagner has been questioned by LE and there is some part of him doubting DB's innocence, even if he doesn't directly say so. I think he wants to believe DB had nothing to do with it, but there's something nagging at him he's not saying.

Anonymous said...

Hi Steve, I have so appreciated your thoughts about the Amanda Blackburn murder. I have been totally blown away by Davey's statements and reaction to the murder. I am a Christian and I am also a victim of a near death crime. I will tell you being so close to death and the terror of such evil left me in total shock. It was a couple of months before I could even think of going back to work and functioning as a normal person. I would have never had the mind to even speak to anyone let alone interviews on national television. I honestly believe that there is something more to this case. I pray that God will bring to the light what has so been hidden in such darkness. Amanda seemed to be a beautiful godly woman who did not deserve to die so soon and so tragically. Thanks working so hard on this and keeping it out there.God bless you sir.

BallBounces said...

"Tuesday I was sitting at lunch and I received a call that rocked my world forever. David had walked in and found his wife in the condition that she was in. And what you need to know about this story is that me and Davey would speak every Tuesday morning from 7–8. Davey had gotten off the phone with me, finished our conversation and walked in and found Amanda,"

"Tuesday I was sitting at lunch "

People who were alive when President Kennedy was shot remember where they were and what they were doing when they first heard about it.. Probably same when the Twin Towers came down. They were both "rock your world" moments. They often preface their memory of the event with where they were and what they were doing when they got the news. Given this, his indication of what he was doing at the moment he heard the news is understandable, "expected" even.

"And what you need to know about this story is…"

First, the word "story". "Story" is used a lot today in a way that it wasn't 10 years, even 5 years ago. It has to do, I think, with postmodernism and the idea that all human communication is essentially story-telling. It no longer necessarily has the same connotations it had a decade ago.

Second, the point I think he is making is that he is a part of the story of Amanda's murder b/c Davey had just gotten off the phone talking to him. This is similar to someone saying, "I had just finished talking to so-and-so who was on his way to the Twin Towers the day they collapsed. They derive enhanced significance from being a part -- even indirectly -- of the rock-your-world event.

I doubt this mentor suspects Davey of anything (but could be wrong!).

Anonymous said...

http://cbs4indy.com/2015/11/30/as-indys-murder-rate-increases-impds-rate-of-solved-cases-falls/

Sus said...

Thanks, Peter. I did mean to say chronological order rather than sequence. I agree with Lemon. Why add finished the conversation?

I also think he repeats "walked in and found" for a reason. I think he's leaking marbles that he and others see Davey as robotic, no feeling. He has to convince himself it was traumatic.

Walked in is unnecessary. He could just say he found his wife. He's showing the tension that must have been there. By saying "his wife", he connects Amanda to Davey. He tells how it must have affected Davey. He then repeats "walked in and found" but names Amanda.

Anonymous said...

Why did Kenneth Wagner not find out about what happened until lunch time?


SLH

Anonymous said...

If they were such good friends, I mean...


SLH

BallBounces said...

FYI -- from Twitter

Kenneth Wagner ‏@kennethwagner Nov 24 Another reason I'm proud to call @daveyblackburn my best friend...
#NothingIsWasted
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/24/indiana-pastor-says-forgiveness-daily-choice-after-murder-pregnant-wife …

Here's one Twitter response to KW's tweet:

Madison Carter ‏@myawesomelife4 Nov 27
@kennethwagner @daveyblackburn Self absorbed narcissistic sociopath. He'd be more upset over a bad hair day, than the murder of his wife.

* * *

Which is pretty much hate speech, no?

buddy said...

SLH,
The story didn't even hit the local news 'til the evening hours so lunch is feasible.

Ali said...

I thought "walked in" was unnecessary. Kenneth says in TWICE in relation to DB finding Amanda.

He also says "walked in" for a third time when he describes telling his wife about Amanda.

Anonymous said...

Buddy:

Ya I know, I was thinking because they were such good friends, and they just got off the phone...but now that I think more about it, in traumatic situations, it makes sense that he wouldn't call him right back.

SLH

BallBounces said...

FYI -- some more Kenneth Wagner tweets/retweets:

* Kenneth Wagner ‏@kennethwagner Nov 23
What do we do with false accusers?

Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” - Luke 23:34a

Hard but necessary.

* Kenneth Wagner ‏@kennethwagner Nov 23
So proud to call @daveyblackburn my best friend! His boldness, bravery & godliness during this tragedy is unmatched! https://www.facebook.com/ResonateIndy?ref=br_tf …

* Kenneth Wagner Retweeted
Kaleb White ‏@KalebCarlWhite Nov 23
Hey @megynkelly now that they've arrested the killer are you gonna go on national tv and apologize for accusing Davey?

Ali said...

Hi Sus,

I ALSO thought "walked in" was unnecessary.

Ali said...

I agree with Kenneth - Davey's boldness during this tragedy certainly is unmatched. I'm not so sure about the bravery and godliness tho.

Anonymous said...

So if Kenneth and Perry both doubt DB's innocence, why do they cover for him/support him in their speech?


SLH

Carnival Barker said...


@ Peter,

What's to make of KW saying, Davey and I would speak every Tuesday..."

Why is he speaking in past tense? Was this something they did at one time but not necessarily anymore? He made the statement only a few days after her murder, so why wouldn't he say, "Davey and I speak every Tuesday"?

Anonymous said...

if KW never tweeted about the wkly convos b4, then i wonder if DB asked him to post on thst day as a favor? and being a friend KW did so. perhaps wondering. but did as a friend.

Sus said...

Hey Ali,
I didn't even notice the third "walked in." He certainly wants to convince himself of that tension Davey MUST have felt.

Donna said...

Is there any significance of KW starting with David, then switching to Davey?

CJ said...

Donna,

Kenneth didn't say David, he said Davey. It was a misprint.
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/resonate-church-how-did-we-get-here/
Start at 12:30

CJ said...

"So I go home and walk in the house and tell Sherry I’ve got horrible news and Sherry’s my wife, we’ve been married for seven years, we got married like three weeks before Amanda and Davey. And I watched my wife just fall on the floor, (pause) and experienced some of the deepest sorrow that I’ve ever experienced in my life. The craziest amount of pain, I, I know it dulls in comparison to what Davey felt and what you guys felt. But the craziest amount of pain that I’ve ever experienced in my life and there’s a question that kind of popped in my mind, is this question is — how did we end up here? How in the world did we end up in the situation that we found ourselves?

Kenneth goes home.
He walks in the house.
He tells Sherry (his wife of seven years) the horrible news.
She falls on the floor.
HE experiences some of the deepest sorrow and the craziest amount of pain HE has ever experienced in his life.

And the question that pops up in his mind is "How did we end up here? How in the world did we end up in the situation that we found ourselves?"

Who is the "we" here?

Is it him and his wife? "How did Sherry and I end up here?"

Is it the church family that he is preaching to? Is he already preparing a sermon in his head at that moment that he is feeling the deepest sorrow, and craziest amount of pain, he has ever felt in his life?

Is it him and Davey?

Is it him and Davey and Amanda?

Is it him and Davey and __________? (Fill in the blanks).

Is this the question you would expect him to ask at this moment in the narrative?


Concerned said...

Kenneth, if you've Googled your name with Davey's and found your way here, think about how you were manipulated.
Call the lead detective in Indy and tell him how odd it is that Davey asked you to tweet about your phone call.
No one doubts that you two talked regularly but why did he ask you to tweet about it on this particular day?
Why make the point again in your sermon?
If Davey was involved in Amanda's death, no man of God would want him raising her son, would he?
Make the call.

Anonymous said...

I also wonder if DB asked KW to tweet something and now that there has been a murder, he wonders....

Anonymous said...

"We were roommates together and so during that time a lot of interesting things happened. I know a lot about their relationship that most people don't. I've been around since the days when Amanda gave Davey up for Lent," he said to laughter.
"I don't know if you guys have heard that story but that's a good one," he quipped.
"We were riding in the car one day and we were talking about Amanda and we were like, you know Mark, his cousin, was like, 'Davey, you always wanted a girl who loved Jesus more than she loved you.' And that was what he had in Amanda. But me and Gavin looked at each other and we were like, 'that is the most irrational decision she could have ever made.' We were mad for him, Gavin, right?" he quipped again.

This conversation is NOT the same theme as the mentor’s “there’s something wrong with that boy” as Mr Hyatt stated. Davey's friend Kenneth was NOT saying he thought there was something wrong with Davey.

In this conversation, DB’s friends, Kenneth and Mark are having a conversation about how Amanda loved Jesus more than Davey. “We were mad for him” means Kenneth and Mark were jokingly mad at Amanda for Davey because Amanda gave Davey up for Lent. The bros were supporting their buddy Davey.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/davey-blackburn-indiana-pastor-talking-college-roommate-wife-amanda-lay-dying-150934

CJ said...

Kenneth goes on to say (preach):

QUOTE: I think in a room this size if I was to begin to ask some of the tragedy and pain that some of you guys have experienced, some of the things that you’ve gone through in your life, some of the, the, the kind of the happenstance of, of things, that, the journey that, that, that you have, you’ve gone down in your life, I think there would be some of us and the majority in the room, that we’ve all had a moment where we would say — how in the world did I end up here? Would anybody agree with me?

Like what, you’d be driving, and you’re like you’re, you’re the guy so you don’t use the GPS, you know like, “I got this,” you know what I’m sayin’? And, like, the men are real quiet. The ladies are like, that’s what my husband’s like. But you, you think you’ve been driving and you find yourself, like, how did we end up here?

Or you’re in a relationship and it was a destructive relationship and you found yourself asking this question — how did I end up here? And this morning I want you to know this, is that you are not alone. That if you find yourself in this situation, exactly where I am speaking of, where you would say “I have no clue how I end up here,” this week, from this phone call on Tuesday, getting in the car at 3:00 pm in, in, in Delaware, in Dover Delaware, and driving to Indianapolis, Indiana and praying and begging God for a miracle, and just saying “How did we end up here? How did we end up here?” UNQUOTE

*******
Kenneth answers the question of who "we" is.

It is "you guys" (and I) = us = the majority in the room.

"You guys" who are on a journey, are driving, are men who don't use GPS's and get lost and wonder, "how did we end up here."

"You guys" who are in destructive relationships, and wondering "how did we end up here."

"You guys" who are not alone, because Kenneth is in this situation with you, exactly "where" he is speaking of: lost without a GPS, in a destructive relationship, driving in a car from Dover to Indianapolis and wondering "How did we end up here?"

(This is not me speculating. These are his words).




Anonymous said...

This youtube video shows a news interview with two women from First Wesleyan Church (deep in the South- Alabama) talking about Amanda’s murder. They refer to it as Amanda’s story . Do you believe using the words “Amanda’s story” means these women are also planning to write a book and profit from Amanda’s death? Remember to account for cultural differences in language!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFhOttMkD0

Anonymous said...

" Davey had gotten off the phone with me, finished our conversation and walked in and found Amanda "

Interpretation: Davy had gotten off the phone with me. (we'd) finished our conversation and (he) walked in and found Amanda.

George Fox said...

DB's arrival at gym is a fact, but were there any witness corroboration for the time he left his house for the gym or just his statement? KW says 'someone "said it happened Last Night..........

Confused said...

Are you guys aware that in one of DB's preaching youtube videos he says that HE OWNS A GUN?

Was it a registered gun?

Are police aware he was a gun-owner?

Is there any way to know if gun thrown on lawn didn't actually belong to DB?

Anonymous said...

Guns aren't registered in the state of Indiana and they are very easy to obtain. Early this year, a police officer was arrested for stealing guns from crime scenes. I think it was over forty. Another cop reported him after a confiscated gun never made it to the property room. After a warrant was served voila! Guns,guns and more guns. All gleaned from crime scenes. That how they get their throwaways/plants. I don't recall hearing calibers of gun found or gun used in murder. Law enforcement has a black eye in the dirty cop department. Last week a Marion county K9 officer was arrested for selling drugs on and off duty....smmfh

Anonymous said...



“Blackburn stated that he told a lie in high school but withholds what the lie was, naturally arousing the questioning from readers.  He further fuels interest in saying the single lie was such that teachers, faculty, his peers and parents turned away from him and in this year, they moved out of town and away from his father's church.  It is very difficult to know what lie would be so bad as to impact both peers and adults, but, he said, it destroyed his reputation.  He showed no empathy towards those he devoted. Lies that ostracize adults are usually met with sympathy from peers, as high school boys, in particular, are known for bad behavior in high school.”

Remember that DB is a malignant narcissist. The malignant narcissist is certain that all his statements and actions are extremely significant to everyone. This would include his lies. Yep, his lie was very significant to his teachers, coaches, friends, all the kids at his school, the Governor, the President of the United States, and all of NATO.

DB's belief that his lie was significant DOESN’T mean that it was actually significant to others. Remember that if a malignant narcissist's lips are moving, he is insulting you, manipulating you, or LYING.

Anonymous said...

DB owned a gun that was given to him by his grandfather. He and a friend compared photos of their guns on Twitter. I didn't see anything mentioned about this gun in the PC affidavit.

Confused said...

Anon, interesting info about the Indiana gun laws. Who even knows if gun found in front lawn belonged to thugs or DB or who knows maybe DB left his gun there for them to use if they needed to "finish her off" and then they chucked it on lawn.

I will try to find video where he says he owns a gun.

Confused said...

Anon 11:14,

I wonder if his gun was accounted for in the house after the crime by police.

Concerned said...

Donae Mitchell said this on FB 35 minutes ago:

"Let me find out these nighas snitching and don't get tied up?"

Do you suppose someone has snitched on her hubby, Alonzo?
Don't we all think he's real involved (even those who defend DB)?

Anonymous said...

At the end of this video is the 11-29-15 service at Resonate. DB's dad speaks before him and stands near DB for support while DB briefly and appropriately speaks. DB's affect and message are appropriately somber.
https://vimeo.com/147251777

Anonymous said...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=c_p3-2hei2U

Arrogant, manipulative statements made by Davey to, and about, his "church"...

SLH

tania cadogan said...

We were roommates together and so during that time a lot of interesting things happened

I wonder what kind of interesting things?

Anonymous said...


@tania cadogan-Read DB's early blogs from 2006. He and his friends attempted to share the Word of God with others. They volunteered their services to help the different groups in their large church.

Mimi said...

There is no way at this point that Davey can be rehabilited publicly to continue heading a church, no matter how bold Kenneth and PN think he is under the "circumstances". There is nothing brave or bold about not mourning your dead wife and dead baby. Also, dDavey left quite late that morning for the gym (6:11 am?) knowing that he had his weekly call at 7 am.

Anonymous said...

Quote including ums and hesitations:
https://vimeo.com/147251777

DB 11/29/2015 speaking at Amanda's Dad's church

"I had a, um, a thought this morning in the, in the shower, and, um, felt like the Lord spoke to my heart, and said, um, Davey, I want my church, I want my bride to come alive"

Davey then goes on to promote Resonate church in Indy.

Confused said...

I don't know if you guys are aware the "gun sermon" is actually almost an hour long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWKlb_1U24

Very important!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AT 37:00, he begins talking about a relationship in which "that girl" says something that you don't like and you just want to "BAM" and makes a gesture of knocking someone out (would be the girl in this example). Then he says that you think of scripture where it says "Knock out the teeth of my enemy" and he says "cause that's what you wanna do right?"

************Amanda was punched in the mouth with a tooth knockedout.****************

Mimi said...

Maybe there is no lie. Davey could have made that up to show that he has had to earn trust and is therefore trustworthy, that he recovered from a hardship, that because it happened in his youth, it is not something to be held against him hope he gets asked for details by the next interviewer!

Anonymous said...

Mimi, I respectfully disagree. Not only will Davey continue his preaching act, but he is going to have the full support of his circle. UNLESS, he is arrested. Otherwise, this guy is going to milk Amanda's death for everything he can, including being the *victim* of the internet trolls. He's practically drooling at the chops, someone get this guy a bib, he thinks he has outsmarted everyone, including law enforcement and he's going to be bigger than Joel Olsteen. This guy has an ego the size of China and if anyone needs proof of that, just look at the latest service he participated in with Amanda's father. I counted three sniffles with zero tears, no red eyes, no worn out face. The guy is a master manipulator as well.

Anonymous said...

Confused at 11:49,
Davey is friends with Treezy Riphellrellandliljay Jones.
He either had to Friend Treezy or approve his Friend Request.
Is it obvious to you that he is a gangbanger? Before you friended him and gave him access to your wall, wouldn't you look at him and his Friends list?
Treezy is also connected with Donae Mitchell and Alonzo Duguoise Bull.

Relax. This will all play out in time.

Lemon said...

Anonymous @ 10:34 said...
" Davey had gotten off the phone with me, finished our conversation and walked in and found Amanda "

Interpretation: Davy had gotten off the phone with me. (we'd) finished our conversation and (he) walked in and found Amanda.
___________

We don't interpret, we listen...

Anonymous said...

Anon at 11:50
Funny you should mention a bib.
Meg Griffith, the intern-later-to-move-to-Indy-as-the-babysitter-and-Resonate-employee, tweeted years ago about Davey sending her, the intern, out to buy him a jockstrap and a bib.(Inappropriate much?) She re-tweeted this last year.
This is the woman/girl who moved in with Amanda and Davey this past summer. It was reported here that she announced on Twitter August 2 that she had to move suddenly and sell out her Etsy shop merchandise for $5 each.
It was also reported that Amanda had stopped posting on Facebook the day before, August 1.
Just sharing with latecomers.

Anonymous said...

Concerned 11:22, sounds like more murders will be ordered but it will be in the hood most likely. Indy has already had 137 murders this year close to breaking records per the news

Anonymous said...

To whoever said Davey's comments at the end of his father-in-law's service were 'somber and appropriate', I disagree.

What Davey does is emotionally manipulative.

Did you see him whisper to his father-in-law when he came to his pew to pray for him? watch again...

Davey "wasn't going to say anything", but then, he requests an audience 'right now'... And his father-in-law takes him right down to the front to speak, so he can promote his church, and 'Amanda's Story'.

Not buying it....

SLH

Anon "I" said...

One item that would make DB seem more *unlikely* to be involved... as Peter had requested we brainstorm.... was that Davey got OFF the phone BEFORE he found Amanda. It would have seemed more legit if he kept talking while he walked inside and found her, screamed from the bottom of his soul, dropping the phone violently to stop his wife's lifeblood from draining from her body. His friend would have been able to hear his genuine anguish. It might be one for the innocence column, although I will await more details.

Maybe he immediately ran to check on Weston's safety if he thought he was actively being attacked, but why wouldn't he return to Amanda to render compassionate aid and comfort while calling 911 (even if he had to bring Weston downstairs to do so)? I wouldn't have the presence of mind to preserve a crime scene if I thought it was the very last seconds I might ever spend with my loved one. I guess the 911 call will reveal more. Like an iceberg, we can only see a small amount visible on top of the water. What lurks underneath is significantly more substantial.

The other thing that really has impressed me is how very young and trusting Amanda was... naive, even. She probably made allowances for all of Davey's idiosyncrasies; tying herself in knots trying to justify it all and feeling like she was the crazy one. She might not have even entertained the thought any ill intent from him. "How could someone who loves Jesus as much as Davey does really hurt me?", she might have thought. She would have confided in Davey himself. He likely would have rationalized it all away and cast the blame on her or anyone/anything else handy. I highly doubt that she would have shared these deep, unsettling feelings in detail with anyone else. She would never dare to cast him in any seriously unfavorable light lest souls might be lost in his lofty vision of success by the numbers. Lack of experience with a dangerous individual's mind and tortuous manipulations might have made it impossible for her to identify what may be his true nature. Recognizing and comprehending deliberate/intentional infliction of mental pain can take more time than Amanda had. All, IMHO.

maudes harold said...

SLH, I caught that too!

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:07
I get that and good for your church but
do this for me.
Take a look at Treezy, the gang signs, the evil grins, the displays of cash, the clothes.
This is not a poor, forsaken street person. If he was, how would he be on Facebook anyway?
Look at him.
Would you put your info out there for this guy and let him know about your little son and wife?
Would you then go off and leave your family in an unlocked house?
I bet not.

Concerned said...

Anon "I",

Yes, Amanda must have been quite naive to fall for Davey, however he may have lured her in pretending to be kind. Once she began to detect the insincerity and the sickening feeling in her gut that there was nothing real about him and that he was also probably gay, rationalization would have set in.

Something like this: "Well he seems very manipulative, I'm not sure anything about him is real...but maybe he is sincere, sometimes he sounds genuine at points during his sermons...I think he goes to the gym to look at other men's bodies and to develop his own to make it more attractive to men...maybe I'm imagining it...maybe he just feels pressure to do look good having to lecture to all those people, maybe he's just a health buff...........

You get the picture.

Confused said...

Sorry, tired, that was written by "confused" not "concerned!!!!

Anonymous said...

@maudes harold:

And Amanda died so the church could live? What kind of twisted mess...


Unbelievable!!!!

SLah

Anonymous said...

Oops I butchered my own name...


SLH

Anonymous said...

Malignant narcissists don't think about others. They don't remember their dad's birthday even after talking to him 3 times on the phone on his birthdate (see DB's 2006 blog). They don't think about locking the door to protect their wife and child.

Take a trip out of the wealthy suburbs. The homeless, mentally ill, plain old poor, and ex-prisoners sit in the public library for hours using the public computers with Internet or waiting to get on the computers.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:07
To continue my comments about the good "pastor" friending gang bangers,
Davey's address can be found so easily on Whitepages.com.
I can't imagine that someone as computer savvy as Davey would not know someone could get his address with ease and come to the house where he knowingly left the door unlocked with his family inside.

Peter credits Davey with high intelligence. If he isn't involved and he did all that without a second thought, I might question Peter's evaluation!

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:07

Convenient?

Concerned said...

Concerned did not write the post 12:23.

Anonymous said...

@ 12:25 Understand symbolism takes a higher level of cognitive functioning or lower blood alcohol level. ;^)

Amanda was filled with the Holy Spirit (a God thingee sometimes referred to as a gust of wind, air in motion breath of God ). Davey hopes the God thingee ( referred to a gust of wind, air in motion, breath of God) will fill the hipsters who were sitting in Resonate feeling sad about Amanda's death, so they will spread the Word of God (talk about Jesus) in Indianapolis.

lynda said...

Well, this is the first time this happened to me...I'm not quite sure why but a post i had was deleted completed. Peter had asked in his analysis what davey could have done so horrible that he was marked down 2 academic grades for something inappropriate he said. I commented that perhaps he called the women in class whores or something along that line. He has said it in his sermons, and he also says it to Amanda when she is telling him about the girls in her group. He stated they are "whores" if they dress like that. He uses the word in sermons and in one on ones. Was there something wrong with me saying that? I was serious when I said that that could very well have caused a professor to reduce his class grade by 2 letter grades.
What's up?

Boston Lady said...

I would suggest if anyone is going to watch the 11/29 statement that Davey made at the end of the service, that you watch the entire sermon with Amanda's dad. What I saw was Amanda's dad supporting Davey fully and he is preaching the same thing as Davey about how the "event" (his word) that happened with Amanda is being used for the good. I believe this message, God uses all things for the good, is a universal belief in the Christian faith. I hear that at mass in my Catholic faith.

What I'm trying to convey is that Davey is not out on an island by himself. He is fully supported by Amanda's family. He calls Amanda's father "dad". Amanda's dad called him "my son" and then added after a pause "in law". I see real love from Amanda's dad to Davey.

If Davey were arrested and charged in Amanda's murder, her parents would be shocked. They don't appear to have any concerns with him. In listening to Amanda's dad, I believe he is a very good loving man. He trusts Davey.



Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:25
Take a deep breath (no pun intended).
He wasn't at Resonate yesterday.
The dry bones he was speaking to weren't the hipsters.
They were his FIL's congregation.

Anonymous said...

He talked about addressing his congregation which he narcissistically called "his children" even though he is 28 years old.

maudes harold said...

SLH,

That whole bride/breath of life stuff was just gross. Way grosser than his 3 sniffles. Even in his sniffles he's lying, not only by doing it, but doing it 3 times--the liar's number.

I have listened to many of Jim Jones' "lectures/sermons" and DB has some of the exact same mannerisms and phrases. YIKES!!

Anonymous said...

@ Anon "I"... I've ththought the very same thing. Amanda's lack of experience with men and life in general made her a perfect target for someone like him. Hell, it's taken me over 20 years and more than a couple tough lessons from some real master manipulators to get to a point where I feel only slightly confident that I can spot "that type" before it's too late.

Another thing I've been thinking about... Trying to imagine AB was my sister and DB my brother in law and how I would be acting or responding if I felt/knew in my heart of hearts he was innocent. I'm not sure I'd be able to contain myself from speaking out in his defense. It's highly unlikely that none of them are aware of the suspicion on him, right? They have to know. Maybe I'm just overly protective of my friends and family but I can't believe I'd just sit back and let people say those things if it wasn't true. Maybe the one sister was trying to do that in her own way with her posts on FB. But I think it's weird no has just come out and said DB did not/could not/would not. Nothing. Maybe I underestimate the grief I'd be going through and therefore wouldn't be paying any attention to news or opinions. The silence of the family is becoming deafening though.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:25
...unless the suburbs are full of hipsters.

Anonymous said...

I was wrong. DB was First Baptist Church with his dad, not at Resonate.

That doesn't change DB's message about the dry bones or Holy Spirit though. The parishioners at First Baptist (where Amanda's FIL is a pastor) were also sad about Amanda's death or "her story".

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:47
As focused as the mentor is on the "Internet trolls" (AKA - us!), don't think for a minute that Davey isn't whining about it to "Dad" and the rest of Amanda's family. I picture them under the covers with the cell phones Googling Davey's name, finding Statement Analysis and reading up on what those ole trolls are saying. Maybe they're also watching the "church" Davey/Amanda videos for the first time. I can't imagine that Amanda had been encouraging them to watch. Who would?

And remember that they have 10 years observing Davey under their belts. They can't be surprised that he would be under suspicion by regular people.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:46
...Unless those 120 people really are children! Maybe they're almost all teenagers!
That, of course, would mean that the contributions weren't exactly knocking his success out of the ballpark.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 12:52
Pretty sure that was Amanda's dad and Davey just called him "Dad".

Mr Dos Centavos said...

Everyone has narcissistic tendencies.
Everyone is a BSer to some degree.
Everyone feels guilty about something.
Everyone's language couches, marginalizes, minimizes and maximizes the "truth".
These behaviors seem to be magnified among those who belong to groups where membership means they feel judged to some degree. (i.e. evangelicals)

Re the Blackburn case, and this site, I have only one question left.

Does Peter H. now know something that LE also knows and the general public does not?

Anonymous said...

Umm I was anon@12:25 and I never mentioned resonate or hipsters...

@maude:

Yes, very creepy, opportunistic language..

Boston Lady:

I know what you're saying. Amanda's family seems genuine, and I think they would be crushed if DB is guilty. you are also right about God working all things together for good, "to those who love God and are called according to His purpose" (Romans 8:28) -note the qualification in this verse..

Will God use this situation to save souls? If He does, it will be in spite of those who are exploiting the situation for gain, and THAT will be for His own glory, and not DB's or PN's or anyone else.

Blessings,
SLH



Sus said...

I watched the vid of DB speaking at his father-in-law's church. I didn't care for it. It seemed rehearsed, though DB insinuated it just came to him that morning.

I have decided what bothers me about DB's message. It's the fact that there is an arrogance to it. That he has to tell us all rather than letting us see it. DB's message was that God sometimes brings us to our knees against our will. So that we will know we turn to God.

My entire childhood, every Sunday I sat in Church with a man who had lost his wife and four of his six children in a car accident. He spent close to a year in the hospital with his injuries. It was obvious to me Roy loved Church and praising God. I never heard Roy say a word about his trials, but I got the lesson.

Roy didn't have to tell me every Sunday. He was an example. DB thinks he has to tell us. Maybe he thinks we're too ignorant to get the lesson. Maybe he doesn't believe it himself.

More Confused Than Ever said...

He foretells what happened to Amanda in his "gun sermon" when he talks about "knocking out the teeth of one's enemy" referring to "a girl" in a relationship that said something he didn't like.

Maybe she asked him if he was gay.

I thought it was strange he says in the same "gun sermon" to the congregation that Amanda is pregnant and then refers to some love sermon he gave and says "see I'm smokin' what I'm sellin'" which I can only assume refers to him showing his wife sexual love. I have never heard anyone announce their wife's pregnancy and follow it up by "see, I told you I have sex with my wife!"

His little weekly phone chats with that guy he was chitchatting with in the driveway, why does that guy say he is "doing life" with DB? Did anyone think it may be his way of stating that he is "married" to DB (obviously not literally but in their minds)? What else does that mean? Why would they have weekly chitchats in the driveway? WAs the other guy married? Perhaps that was a good time for him to have weekly chitchats with his unofficial life partner.

Never ever underestimate the sneakiness of a man on the downlow, for all you know he is married to the guy in some Las Vegas ceremony. He is probably gay with the guy!!!!!!! As such he would have viewed his wife and baby as merely props to cover his gayness. Maybe once he realized he was going to "do life" with his driveway chitchat buddy, that he had found his "life partner" he felt free to off Amanda.

Anon "I" said...

Anon at 12:47
I can feel your pain. Two decades sound about right. The first one is for you to feel confused, angry, crazy, unable to trust your own senses, and finding it impossible to nail the proverbial jello to the wall. The second decade is to detach completely, vent, yell, rage about what you couldn't previously detect, and finally in time, to realize its quiet once the malignancy is gone. It never so much as crossed my mind that someone would try to purposefully destroy me. They are SO good at what they do (soul murder), no one believes you anyway. Once you step away, others are free to see the person without you as their scapegoat. What remains isn't pretty, and others start to realize that you weren't the problem like they had been told. I hope this makes sense....

Anonymous said...

One more thing before I go to bed...the gospel is not the message of Amanda's story, though it may become the opportunity for someone to hear the gospel (let's hope and pray for that).

Rather, the gospel is a message of repentance, turning from sin, and placing trust in Christ to save, not In ourselves.

It is the free gift of God, if we will only ask.

SLH

Oh no not her again said...

I just thought of something. Has this been discussed?

If I recall correctly the affidavit said that authorities searched the house but found no one except Weston.

Wouldn't that mean that Davey didn't look for his son after finding Amanda? If he had, wouldn't he be holding the child?

Confused.

Getting Less Confused said...

Also, contemplate what was done to Amanda:

DB speaks of "knocking out the teeth" of one's enemy (referring to a girl who one is in a relationship with who says something you don't like).

Consider the attacker punched her in the mouth and knocked out her tooth! Doesn't that make sense that maybe DB did it if she had asked if he was gay and it enraged him...he would have punched her in the mouth from which those offensive words came out. Is it typical for an unknown attacker to punch their victim in the mouth before shooting them??? This is honestly something you hear about people doing when the victim has said something they consider "fighting words".

Confused said...

Oh not her again,

I wondered the same...where was the baby when the cops arrived?
What I wondered specifically is if the baby had been placed in an unusual location where the mother would not normally have placed him,

Oh no not her again said...

I have never heard a good man seriously acknowledge wanting to knock the teeth out of a woman for any reason.

Much less a so-called man of God.

Just chilling.

Anonymous said...

I'd be interested to know if the baby was given some benadryl or some type of sleep aid if the story comes out that he remained sleeping.

About Amanda's tooth. If you look at close up pictures of Amanda, she has a beautiful, stunning smile. She does have one front tooth that sticks out just a little bit more than the rest. I always thought the punch to the mouth was deliberate and intentional to knock that specific tooth out. This crime is so very personal, once you peel back all the layers as to what went on in that home that morning, just from what we know... between the tooth getting knocked out to the humiliating strip job. It's about as personal, demeaning and hateful as one can get.

Concerned said...

SLH,
Your posts tonight are excellent.
Thank you for speaking so eloquently for the Lord when we've heard so much error in quotes from DB.

Anon "i' said...

Usually, people have a pretty good grasp of what a married couple has been
up to with a toddler on their lap and another on the way. Further details
are screaming insecurity.

Same with the gun. If you have to show absolutely everyone you have it to
boost your ego, you probably should not be trusted with a dull pencil.

Anonymous said...

I apologize if this has already been addressed, but where is Davey's family? Wouldn't at least some part of the family travel to be with Davey and Weston if Davey and Weston could not go to them?

Anonymous said...

Pretty sure Davey's father preaches at the NEXT Church in Brevard, NC.
His name is David Blackburn. He preached in Wesleyan churches in Birmingham and Tuscaloosa, AL.

We all wonder how they fit into his life since he calls Amanda's father "DAD".

Mdkd6262 said...

Fractal Flower -

What are your thoughts on this:

Assuming DB is a sociopath/psychopath, what is the probability of 1) him fantasizing about harming/murdering AB over an extended amount of time, and 2) his intentional or unintentional "leaking" of these fantasies into his sermons, videos, commercials etc as a way to entertain or bring relief to himself etc... ?

Anonymous said...

I think he planned it over a long period of time, whether it was random or he had a hand in it, he was definitely not happy with the whole marriage bit. Take the video he and Amanda did and he mentions the butter. Amanda kind of smiles and says, "whaaat?" Davey says nevermind, went over her head, as if the entire audience is understand what he is saying, except her.

There is a lot to that short interaction. Amanda, for the billionth time since meeting Davey, has to play the naive card as once again, Davey makes a crude remark in front of a crowd. I wonder how much damage control Amada had to do for Davey and with this damage control, how much resentment Davey felt for Amanda as she gained more attention and love from the church members. Kinda like a Princess Diana scenario.

Anonymous said...

Getting Less Confused,

If Davey punched out Amanda's tooth, then what happened? Did Davey tell Gordon to tell the police that Watson told him that Taylor hit Amanda in the mouth with his gun?

It is not at all uncommon for victims of violent assaults to be beaten before they are shot, stabbed or strangled.

Anonymous said...

"I had a, um, a thought this morning in the, in the shower, and, um, felt like the Lord spoke to my heart, and said, um, Davey, I want my church, I want my bride to come alive"

Doesn't water indicate sexual homicide?

He killed her before he went to the gym.

Anonymous said...

If a gun was used to knock her tooth out, you'd think more than one would come out, she's a tiny lady. It will be interesting to see what le releases and what they don't release. In Indiana, what falls under the victim laws? I'm sure Davey will use whatever laws he can to seal as much evidence as possible.

rosy said...

Anonymous said...
at 12:07 AM
Anon at 11:50
Funny you should mention a bib.
Meg Griffith ... tweeted years ago about Davey sending her, the intern, out to buy him a jockstrap and a bib.(Inappropriate much?)


Bib in double sense? Bib for baby and bib as in Spike Lee movie?

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:28,

It's interesting that you ignore the point of my question. But so be it. It will be more interesting to read the comments when the evidence is released that proves the bullets which killed Amanda match Taylor's snub nose revolver, and that Taylor's DNA was found all over the scene, including Amanda's body, sad as it is.

Anonymous said...

Anon@2:53

Hey, if I'm wrong I will happily admit it. I don't understand why people play that as some kind of trump card. So, if in the end it turns out Davey was just a rotten husband and a rotten Pastor, than so be it, no skin off my back. Will I feel bad for the words I have put out there? No, because it was Davey himself who put his words out there and made himself a target for ridicule with his new age bible sex bs. I will have learned a great deal and that makes a person grow, isn't that a large reason we are all here? I keep an open mind, could be right, could be wrong. In the end, I'll sleep well because I lock my doors, I don't sit in my driveway for almost an hour to talk on the phone and I would never be misleading on a 911 call. Can't wait for that gem to be released.

Anonymous said...

Davey says to the congregation, "I didn't know if I could keep it together" why not? You've done umteen interviews in front of cameras, big named reporter's, national morning programs. So why in the world would this be any different? No matter what environment he's in, he cannot produce a tear or proclaim his love for Amanda. Sometimes it comes down to not what Davey Blackburn is vocalizing, rather what he hasn't vocalized since day one.

The Beckster said...

https://vimeo.com/147251777

This was so DISTURBING. At 1.34.18 seconds he has a flash of serious "duping delight" if I understand the meaning of that correctly.

I don't know what to think anymore. The way Amanda's dad talked during the interviews seemed so genuine, but his sermon creeped me out almost as much as Davey.

What is going on with these people? I was brought up Catholic, and this is NOT how grief, tragedy, and suffering were explained in church. Where is the sacredness and value of human life in their sermons?? Everything, even the loss of wife and daughter, is just a tool to further evangelism?? We found comfort in the Lord, but we didn't minimize the real human pain of loss of life. God created life, we are made in his image, and murder is not to be taken so LIGHTLY or JOYFULLY as these people seem to think. I'm just horrified by the whole video.

The Beckster said...

Oh, and more disturbing WORD PICTURES Davey paints with his whole "I was in the shower this morning." And talking about a bride coming alive? And how God wanted his bride to be killed so God's bride could live. This is just crazy. So crazy.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 11:12 - Yes, guns are registered in Indiana.

Anonymous said...

This is the first time I've been interested in a story that's set in Bizzaro world. One character is stranger than the next. It's as if this is taking place on a different planet where their customs and rituals are too foreign to rationalize. Is one of the tenets of their religion to check your brain at the door? Be as warm as a glacier? The Grinch had more heart (BEFORE it grew 3xs).
And Perry Noble looks like Janet Reno with a summer cut.
That is all.

andrew said...

@Anonymous 1:08:

You asked if Peter now knows something about the case that the general public does not. I wondered the same thing last night. At this point, I would say it is somewhat likely given Peter's expertise in SA and his connections in the LE community.

If he does, I wouldn't expect him to disclose it, as that could compromise the case.

andrew said...

@The Beckster 4:03

I know exactly what you mean. The theology at play here is very "Old Testament" (or even pre-Judaic) in a way, with its emphasis on sacrifice and divine insensitivity to personal suffering. As a Roman Catholic, it is not even recognizably Christian to me.

I'm encouraged to see so many Protestants here and elsewhere reacting the same way.

Anonymous said...

Right there with you --Bizzaro world truly sums it up. I know very little about religion, but this seems like a cult (like Scientology). I think DB would get along great with DM (David Miscavige).

Has any other murder had so much foreshadowing? Going back to January with that creepy commercial... (Focus on the words).

Had this "story" been planned before the move to Indy?

And the recent sermon, his bride was sacrificed for his church?

This is some seriously bizarre stuff.

andrew said...

In good faith, I feel like I should at least attempt to explain what DB means when he talks about sacrificing his bride for his church.

What he is saying is that Amanda's death is bringing national attention to Christianity in general and Resonate in particular. "The whole world is watching" kind of thing. People are paying attention to how God works in the lives of the people affected by her death.

DB clearly believes that he is setting a Christian example of forgiveness and trust in God (like Abraham) and that God will use this to bring more people into "the church," whether that be Resonate or another Christian church.

The problem of course is that his behavior has been suspicious and repulsive. He has suppressed all natural human emotion to the point where he is completely un-relatable to 99% of the population. This may give him some personal satisfaction ("I'm different. I'm better. etc."), but it is certainly not accomplishing his stated goal of modeling Christ. Christ was human as well as divine. He suffered. He wept. He experienced fear and doubt in Gethsemane and even on the cross. He focused on healing and consoling individual people, not on some world-transforming abstraction. His parables and teachings were always about the problems we as human beings face in our daily lives.

Xian Janeway said...

Beckster, yes, this is completely bizarre.

There's an entire blogging community that's documenting these trends in the church. We're deeply disturbed by them, so we record them (even down to keeping screenshots, audios of sermons, photos, etc.) and show the long-term fruit of them in the lives of believers. Check out The Wartburg Watch and Spiritual Sounding Board, two sites where I trust the leaders.

andrew said...

...continuing that last post...

Traditional Christianity has always held that there is a new Covenant with God, sealed in the blood of Christ. THAT is the sacrifice that matters. There is no human sacrifice, no offering of lamb's blood--however pure--is either sufficient or necessary.

Amanda is NOT a sacrifice. Her death was a tragedy and an abomination to God. He does not "reward" formulaic burnt offerings with His favor. He is not Baal, or Ashur, or Enlil after all. He is a redeemer and a deliverer out of suffering, not a tyrant who dispenses blessings in exchange for blood.

Anonymous said...

How does HE know that Davey wasn't sitting there watching his wife die the whole time!!? He doesn't.

Bravo Andrew. You said it better than I could have. I think pretty pictures but it is hard to put my beautiful thoughts on canvas. You get the picture.

That is SICK EVIL to the core that Davey would say Amanda's breathe had to go out into the breathe of others.... from this will come a great revival that the world has never known, or some such words. Oh God. This is blasphemy to Jesus and to the Holy Ghost spirit. It makes me want to vomit.

I read this statement on another article earlier this morning and it gave me a sickening nauseas knot in my stomach. Then I went on and read statements in another sermon made by Preacher Nobel and felt so sick I had to get off the site for a while.

It all made me feel like I needed to run down to the alter at the Pentecostal church as fast as I could get there and pray until I prayed through again, cleansing myself from this evil. ABB

Donna said...

@ The Beckster @ 4:06

I think I saw another duping delight @ 1:33:53-ish. The entire segment is creepy as heck. Quite the show, with the tinkly piano/keyboard music to add drama.

Anonymous said...

What the majority of people are discerning is a terrifying "public" spectacle of unadulterated evil. KK

Anon "I" said...

"I desire obedience, not sacrifice." is God's message to us. Davey is projecting the memory of AB into a sacrificial lamb who died to further his ambition. He probably thinks that this leads others to think of him as an extraordinary God-fearing man who can rise above it all as he spits out the right buzzwords. God will not be mocked. This is not just one person or one religion disagreeing, this is a multitude saying something is terribly amiss.

Anonymous said...

pontificating still?

Andrew said...

@Anon "I"

Precisely. In a strange way, the public reaction to DB's errant theology is giving me great comfort. Even with all of the perversions and distractions of modern life, our ancient Christian formation as a culture is shining through. On a primal level, we recognize the pagan language of human sacrifice and recoil from it.

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lynda said...

andrew said...
@Anonymous 1:08:

You asked if Peter now knows something about the case that the general public does not. I wondered the same thing last night. At this point, I would say it is somewhat likely given Peter's expertise in SA and his connections in the LE community.

If he does, I wouldn't expect him to disclose it, as that could compromise the case.

December 1, 2015 at 7:16 AM

__________________________________________________________

I may be wrong but I believe Peter has said that if he is involved in a case, he will not speak of it at all in the blog while ongoing investigation

Anonymous said...

Hopefully part of the strategy to get to the truth is "give someone enough microphone cord and they'll hang themselves".... figuratively not literally, of course.KK

Anonymous said...

Google is your friend anonymous 5:25 plus I live here and own guns

Anonymous said...

Andrew at 7:54 said, about God:

"He is a redeemer and a deliverer out of suffering, not a tyrant who dispenses blessings in exchange for blood."

Thank you for being part of this discussion - I appreciate your eloquence and clarity!

Anonymous said...

You are correct, Peter has said more than once that he does not discuss a case here where he has involvement with LE in any capacity.

Remember however, he gave us an article entitled; "What are the odds?" Here he had discussed the case privately with several other LE investigators and detectives, wherein they all agreed the odds are astronomical if Davey does not have guilty knowledge... "how could one be so lucyk?" The consensus was, they couldn't.

But to answer your question, no, according to his own words, Peter would not have discussed this case with anyone within Indiana LE who would be connected to this case. This would pretty much spell it out that he does not have inside info. ABB

lynda said...

Well, from the video, it's heartening to hear that Davey only has a congregation of 120.

dch said...

From Peter's blog on "Water" in statement analysis:
"Therefore, when water, in any form, enters a statement, we note it. If water is mentioned, in any form, as an unnecessary detail, it is a very important point."
When DB starts talking in 11/29 sermon with father-in-law, he says "I had a thought this morning while I was in the shower and felt like the Lord spoke to my heart..."

The shower part certainly seems unnecessary plus why would you want an entire audience to think of you in the shower???

Anonymous said...

But isn't it common to have an insight or epiphany while in the shower? I thought that was common. Or is Peter saying that in SA it's noted if mentioned in a statement where it's not necessary? For instance, DB could have related his thought without mentioning he had the thought in the shower?

Anonymous said...

I just watch, or listen to Impossible Girl week 3. I find if so odd that he goes on about girls dressing like whores. But lets look at him, he seems obsessed with working out, he wears his tighter shirts, and shows off his arm muscles. Look at his hair, which takes time everyday to do. His hair has bothered me from the beginning.

Anonymous said...

dch:

Yes, I thought the same thing about the shower: why do we need to hear about that?

I want to hear more about this idea of water "leaking" out of his speech...

What does it mean in statement analysis?

And was it only 'un-necessary'? Or is it actually significant that he said it?

SLH

dch said...

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/03/water-in-statement-analysis-answered.html
Below was copied and pasted from the above link from Peter's blog:
""Water" in an open statement is often associated with sexual abuse. This is the principle and is statistically linked. What does it mean, in practice?

What this means to an investigator is that when "water" appears in an open statement, the investigator must be open-minded and ask questions about possible sexual abuse of any type. It does not mean "usually", it means, "explore for it", especially if the references are unnecessary, such as washing one's hands. "I stopped and got gas, went to the bathroom, washed my hands and got back into my truck." The investigator should focus in on this time period: the specific period just before washing the hands. That the subject washed his hands is unnecessary information, making it very important to us, since it was important enough for him to mention. It is "unexpected" that he would mention washing his hands, making it important. If he was on a boat, the reference to water would be the "expected" and not something that would 'surprise' us. I was taught, early on, however, to be better safe than sorry later: there is no harm (no "danger") to exploring, via questioning, possible sexual abuse. Most social workers involved in the child protective world (by "most", I mean that most States in the US teach this) have their workers explore for possible sexual abuse on every case, no matter what the allegation is. If the allegation is, for example, that a child is being left alone, most social workers will explore physical abuse ("What are your house rules? What happens if you break the rule?"), food supply (actually looking in the fridge), and sexual abuse ("Who puts you to bed? What is that like? Who bathes you? Tell me about it...")

I note the person wrote "usually" but then wrote "always" in the statement. Clarity would be helpful.

As to being "hackish" , the principles are not stone-like, but clay like. We remain flexible and it is up to the skill of the analyst to draw a conclusion.

Statement Analysis is an indicator to explore. We do find that in sexual homicides, for example, references to water often crop up in guilty statements. This in the extreme, can be seen in the statements of Amanda Knox.

If water enters an open statement and it is unnecessary, the investigator should explore for possible sexual abuse. This is the principle."

Maybe I'm off base but it jumped out at me.

Anonymous said...

Revival will not happen because of Amanda's story...revival will happen when people repent of their sins and believe the gospel. Period.

Revival is not the same national attention!

DB's blasphemy now goes even further, as he proclaims himself a prophet.


SLH

Anonymous said...

Correction:

...not the same AS national attention...

SLH

Anonymous said...

I just want to say that I am thrilled to see so many true Christians here holding fast to the Word of God. It does my heart good. I used to think there must not be any Christians here as no one ever defended or spoke up but me, and it worried me so I thought, I'll just keep hanging on come hell or high water; keep on speaking up, hoping someone might see, or hear, or understand.

I'm so glad to see that I didn't need to worry about it at all! There you all are, protestants; Catholics, Baptists, Pentecostals, etc., all having the spirit of discernment that only comes from above, and being presented so eloquently. Even those who are not Christian, including the atheists and agnostics, have seen that what we have been witnessing could not be from God. It is a real blessing.

Have a good day all... ABB

Anonymous said...

Dch:

Thank you, I'm going to read more about this later...but I have another question.

With regard to the mention of water, is it still significant now, when he is using it in relation to another time and place? Would it be more significant if water was mentioned during his actual testimony of the events of Nov 10?

SLH

Anonymous said...

ABB, yeh really! I so agree!!

Anonymous said...

ABB:

Canada here. I am a practicing Catholic and I think one of the reasons this case has captured and kept my interest is because I see such a distortion of Christian teaching in DB's church. As for AB's dad's sermon, I am listening to it today and so far (only about 10 minutes in) I find it to be a beautiful example of Christian witness in the face of unimaginable loss.

Mdkd6262 said...

I can't get the image out of my mind where Jesus came into the temple courtyard and saw all the tables set up with parishioners selling their products It made him so angry that he started turning over all the tables in utter disgust... imagine how much more disgusted he would have been if those tables were set up while a funeral was in progress

Justice Seeker said...

Tweet posted today by KW,

Kenneth Wagner ‏@kennethwagner 25m25 minutes ago

I flippin' love conversations with @daveyblackburn!

It's awesome when your best friend is one of your greatest heroes.

Love you bro!

Mdkd6262 said...

And I'm beginning to believe that DB was getting desperate because PN was probably about to cut off the funds given that in 4 years he Only had 120 members!!! And they were paying out thousands to rent a building for only one day a week! Basically this church only existed as a figment of DB's imagination. He probably told him you've got 1 more year to "turn a profit" on my investment or I'm done! That's why he talks about the numbers so much and why he has so few likes to his comments on fb etc. I've noticed that you never get a view of his "big" audience in his sermons and how quiet it is when he's attempting to illicit a response of agreement to his absurd sexual side-show sermons. His marketing degree makes him pro at designing a website to look like he has this huge mega-church full of "Resonators" but he is nothing more than a fraud... He was broke and desperate for money!!! He decided AB was his excuse for failing and his ticket to financial gain. Now we're getting to the bottom of it...

Anonymous said...

Watched her dad's message from this Sunday. My only thoughts is I don't trust in laws who call their mother-in-law, father-in-law, mom and dad. My brother-in-law does this and it is so freaking fake.

mom2many said...

Mdkd6262, yes that imagery has been running through my mind during this case, not only in regards to the profiteering, but also in opposition to the emotionless response. Jesus not only overturned the tables, he drove those moneychangers right out with a whip! He was furious at what was going on in his Father's house. DB can't even manage a little bit of temper for what was done to the temple of the Holy Spirit, Amanda, and the brand new life within her.

GeekRad said...

Ahhh, apparently KW got the message and is going to play the best friend in regular contact game after the weekly Tuesday call with Davey. Someone has been paying attention to this site.

Carnival Barker said...


Justice Seeker said...
Tweet posted today by KW,

Kenneth Wagner ‏@kennethwagner 25m25 minutes ago

I flippin' love conversations with @daveyblackburn!

It's awesome when your best friend is one of your greatest heroes.

Love you bro!
**********************************************
Well, it is a Tuesday, so I guess he's gotta keep the ruse up for a few more weeks at least.
What! could! they! have! talked! about! that's! so! EXCITING!?!?!? Usually when someone dies, particularly in a murder, the only thing you're asking is if they've gotten out of bed yet and have they remembered to eat and shower.

Bizzaro world indeed.

BB said...

I do a lot of thinking in the shower and have many realizations while washing my hair. I regularly construct awesome come backs and answers to issues or conversations or professional problems that are weighing on me for one reason or another. Very common. At work I have a few times found myself saying enthusiastically "I had the same thought in the shower this morning!" For me I think it is an attempt to both support the speaker's idea and share in the credit for an idea by suggesting I, too, came up with the concept prior to or at least concurrently to the person who will ultimately get credit. I think the shower is just free association think time. I suppose it can be more devious but it can also just be time to ponder.

tania cadogan said...

Regarding disappearing posts.

Occasionally a post will poof not because of deliberate deletion, it is something the filters do.

If your post poofs let Peter know and he will have a wander through the spam folder and find it and repost it.

I recently did a long comment which i spread over two posts, they both went up and then the second one went walkies, leaving half a comment.

Anonymous said...

I hope Davey raises enough money from hocking those t-shirts to at least fix that snaggletooth.

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Anonymous said...

He has still not said he loved her. No one time.

Mdkd6262 said...

Having technical problems - was attempting to respond to:

Mom2many at 10:38
Very well said... great point about DB's lack of anger

Anonymous said...

While I'm suspicious with all the coincidences surrounding this case, and hope that LE is appropriately exploring all avenues with respect to the possibility of CD's involvement, the phone call with his buddy, in and of itself, doesn't strike me as odd. Phone calls like that can start late, run long, get interrupted, etc, so I'm not stuck on the strict 7-8 timeline. I will also finish up a conversation in the car in my driveway/garage and not carry it into the house in order to better focus on the conversation, and put me in a position to immediately interact with my family when I do go inside.

Tweeting about the conversation is foreign to me (and the tweet posted above at 10:26 am is just plain weird to me) and raises suspicions if out of the ordinary.

Agree with above posters on these "churches". Their style is very foreign to me (I'm traditional mainstream) and sadly, they seem to have it backwards. They are trying to make church what PEOPLE want, not what GOD wants, hence it's all about having the contemporary music, dressing hip, edgy sermons, good coffee that you can sip while you listen, etc. I saw a little of the PN video of Amanda's funeral, er excuse me, "celebration", and PN was dressed like an overgrown, cleaned up skater dude. Was he wearing unlaced tennis shoes? CD's "sermons" are just immature, and insulting to both his audience and to sacred scripture. I can't believe that guy had ANY "resonators", let alone 120. One problem with these "churches" is the accountability factor to somebody "higher up" is sometimes very nebulous, if not non-existent, and that's not a good thing.

Juliet said...

I watched/listened to Amanda's father sermon - he is of the 'in everything give thanks' school of belief, in which thanksgiving and a positive take on everything, no matter how devastating, should at all times be the appropriate response. That type of thinking allows a brutal murder to become an inoffensive sounding 'event' and a 'circumstance', out of which good must come, and for which reasons to thank God must be found - not only in the future, but from the moment in which Amanda died. They haven't gone as far as to say it, but probably the most fervent thanks-givers amongst them are actually thanking God for Amanda's murder, because somehow it's all part of God's 'plan'.

Within that mindset grief, misery, doubt or despair have no place - everything must be turned into thanks and praise, as anything less is accounted weakness and due to lack of faith. Feelings have to be denied and suppressed collectively in order for the church to 'work' successfully. The determination to give thanks in everything is why, in interviews, Davey and Phil say they 'want' to feel angry, sad, depressed, and so on - but they have honour-bound themselves into denying their instincts, in order to give thanks in everything, instead. It's the same sort of thinking with Davey 'choosing' forgiveness, and why feelings are disapproved of - no matter how irrational, crazy, wrong it may feel, one chooses to ignore the feeling and to give thanks, to forgive, to believe 'the best is yet to come', and so forth, instead.

I think, that's pretty much the mindset, quite slavish; if he is not involved, it could go a long way to explaining Davey's strange and unexpected response to the murder of Amanda and their unborn baby; he is glad, giving thanks, because God's plan suits him - it doesn't explain his failure to express surprise, let alone shock, at what has happened, nor account for why he has not expressed his love for Amanda, a desire for justice, or appropriate concern for Weston, but it can make some sense of why he has seemed from the outset to be dancing on Amanda's grave, and not seeing himself as he is seen. The mindset of the associated churches is the same, so all those people will also feel bound to be giving thanks in everything, -thus the muted response, the non outpouring of grief, which would betray doubt and lack of faith, whilst causing onlookers to ask WTF questions.

(reposted - I posted on the wrong thread)

Juliet said...


I wonder if KW suspected Davey was inside the home, or had entered and went outside again, while they were on the phone - maybe he heard Weston, or the dog, radio, a washing machine, timers, something which gave him the impression Davey was inside, but is not quite sure/doesn't trust his memory. Did Davey not finish the call properly maybe, and KW heard him enter the house, or something.

His tweet did look like an alibi - I said that early on, and that I wondered if Davey asked him to tweet.

(Also reposted - sorry, I overshot the article and posted in the previous unrelated thread)

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Juliet said...

I thought Tania's reasons, a couple of days' comments back, for why Davey wasn't involved were plausible - or could be, if he wasn't. :)

Carnival Barker said...


Whoever upthread mentioned Jim Jones, you read my mind. This appears to be a cult that the parents have indoctrinated and raised their children in. Maybe that's why the siblings and the in-laws are also "off."

Davey is a "pastor" why? Because he said so. David Koresh was a prophet because he said so too.

Maggie said...

Interesting speculation Juliet and could shed some light on the tweet KW sent that morning with the strangely sequenced events.

"Davey got off the phone
2. finished our conversation
3. walked in
4. found Amanda"

Anonymous said...

I have so many thoughts on this case and I hope to ask more questions and share more concerns later. One thing I haven't noticed in these discussions is the viability of Amanda's unborn baby. It seems that they were so quick to share that Amanda had died, even before she was actually declared dead, that there was no talk of trying to save the baby. If Davey is truly in line with his mentor, he would believe that human life begins at conception. The medical examiner stated that Amanda was 13 weeks pregnant. I know there has been a cry for Larry Taylor to also be charged with the death of the unborn baby, which I support that cry. BUT, if Davey was given the option to keep Amanda alive on life support in order to save the life of their baby and chose to let the baby die, along with her mother, didn't he make the ultimate decision for the life of this child?

Perry Noble's thoughts on abortion:
https://perrynoble.com/blog/eating-cookies-or-killing-babies-do-i-have-to-choose

A few articles (there are more) where babies survived despite the mother being declared "brain dead":
http://www.christiantoday.com/article/miracle.baby.born.to.brain.dead.mother.who.was.kept.on.life.support.for.6.months/38917.htm
http://www.lifenews.com/2014/12/30/recent-cases-prove-babies-born-to-brain-dead-pregnant-women-can-survive/

andrew said...

@ABB

I always try to remember to thank God for the atheists because they so often are able to discern hypocrisy and dissonance that we Christians overlook!

Anonymous said...

Juliet:

Very well said about the ethereal attitude surrounding this horrible murder...the Scriptures tell us to give thanks in all thing, and to rejoice in the Lord...but what about lamentation and mourning...? Are they not appropriate too?

SLH

lynda said...

ABB - great post above. You've been my hero tho since you wrote an excellent piece on Paul/Saul in another Blackburn thread. Finally! I am not alone in my thinking re: Paul :)

Anon @ 11:29

they have upgraded the charges to include the unborn fetus. Medically, at 13 weeks, it would be very, very, rare that she could be brought to a viable birth. Even tho on life support, she was brain dead and the body starts to deteriorate and can undergo many, many complications. Many states have vague laws concerning this but in most respects, a brain dead woman is not kept alive to bring a fetus to term (or at least viable at 22-24 weeks or so)

Anonymous said...

Yes, Jesus wept at the tomb of Lazarus before he raised him from the dead.

lynda said...

Plus, all this forgiveness talk. Have these gangbangers even asked for forgiveness? How can you grant forgiveness when not asked for it first? Also, we are of the flesh. I don't care how "Christian" you are, it takes ALot of prayer and repentance of your OWN to be able to truly forgive someone. Thru the Grace of God the burden is lifted from us but in my experience, God is the only one that can truly grant forgiveness to those that sin. It would be appropriate to me to have Davey and cult followers to say, we are praying that God helps us be rid of the anger and hatred at the ones that took Amanda from us. We ask for his Grace in changing this bitterness to peace, etc. Davey makes it sound like he is so "great and godly" that of course, NO HARD FEELINGS PAL. Bugs me.

Mdkd6262 said...

The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior... was DB's sudden departure to Indy from NewSpring simply a repeat of a similar family relocation following "the big lie" in high school? Why was Davey so inspired to relocate?

Anonymous said...

Canada....

from what I can discern from his twitter feed, he and AB would visit Indiana frequently for marriage counseling and to visit her family. Seems to me the move was to "save" the marriage.

Mdkd6262 said...

And we see who followed him from NewSpring... MG. Also, AB's last day to post to her fb account was August 1st. I have since realized this is their anniversary date. Something blew up that day related to MG. thats why she suddenly moved out of heir house (which is very odd she was there to begin with) & had a "fire sale" on her etsy store stock the very next day...

Mdkd6262 said...

"For those who knew Amanda well, you know she's sun-tanning on the shores of Heaven sipping her virgin pina colada . . . Loving paradise!"... Davey Blackburn via Twitter 4hrs ago

"Death is not the end of the road; it's just a bend in the road." - @levilusko" ... Davey Blackburn via Twitter 2 hrs ago

rob said...

"And what you need to know about this story is…"

I see this statement as-this is what you need to know, all you need to know, don't ask anymore questions.

DB likes to talk about God using Amanda's death to honor, grow, etc, the church. God may in fact use her death to expose a group that does NOT follow his will, or the scripture, and close that down.

This church is huge here is SC, I've never attended but know many people who do. They are hip, with-it, young, energetic, all the things that they perceive other churches here not to be. Many things I hear about them turns me off. I truly hope this young mother did not lose her life at their hands.

Anonymous said...

Good catch Mdkd6262

BallBounces said...

Anonymous andrew said… @The Beckster 4:03 I know exactly what you mean. The theology at play here is very "Old Testament" (or even pre-Judaic) in a way, with its emphasis on sacrifice and divine insensitivity to personal suffering. As a Roman Catholic, it is not even recognizably Christian to me. I'm encouraged to see so many Protestants here and elsewhere reacting the same way.
December 1, 2015 at 7:20 AM

Andrew -- An earlier poster did a good job expressing the essence of the gospel: Christ died for our sins; repent and believe the good news that God sent Christ to die and then raised him triumphantly from the dead, and you will be saved (Rom 10:9-10, believe).

In addition to this core truth, Resonate Church emphasizes that the God they serve is the living God; he is alive and active in the world, and in their lives, today. Their theme is that "all things work together for good to those that love God" -- which is entirely scriptural. Their motto, derived from this, is "Nothing Wasted", i.e., God takes even the bad things we do, and the bad things that happen to us, and turns them around into good.

This would be the theological background for Davey looking for good to come out of his wife's tragic murder. Yes, she was cruelly murdered, but God will take this evil thing, and from the inspiration of her life, and Davey's faith, and the faith of his church and his father-in-law's church, etc. many will come to faith in Christ as a result.

To relate it to a Roman Catholic perspective, in a very loose sense, they are viewing Amanda as a martyr, someone whose death may be used of God to further the gospel -- "the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church".

It is right to seek to further the gospel in the midst of personal tragedy (by showing forgiveness, God's compensating love, etc.). It is wrong to use it to further one's career.

Hope this helps.

Confused said...

I think Peter should consider whether DB uttering those words about "knocking out the teeth of one's enemy" (referring specifically to that is what you want to do when a girl you are in a relationship with says something that makes you mad) is a form of TELEGRAPHING what was to happen.

Also, consider that in addition to that, it most certainly could have been a way of terrorizing Amanda. Which gives us a window into the type of mental abuse he was using. Stating undisguised violent images in front of a whole congregation: Girl says something you don't like, you punch her teeth out. Folks, she was in living in fear of serious physical assault/murder. He put that fear into her.

How would she, how would anyone have felt, if their husband conjured such violent images in response to a girl saying something they didn't like?

I would feel terrified!!!!


I think DB killed her. I think the thugs had some involvement with staging the crime (robbery/rape), But I think he shot her before he went to the gym. It explains why he sat in the driveway for 45 min...he wasn't looking forward to calling 911. That is super typical where there is a big delay in the killer calling 911. Plus, he leaks that he feels she is "wounded". What I think that tells us is that he wasn't certain she was dead and wanted to give her time to "bleed out".

In my opinion, I believe he telegraphed what was to happen in the gun sermon right down to the knocked out tooth.

rob said...

I just had a thought, if the police came and the baby was still in the crib, how on earth do you explain the father didn't immediately RUN and make sure the baby is OK, not kidnapped, whatever?
We had a case here where a baby tipped over into a mop bucket and the mother and her friend called 911, when police arrived, the baby was still in the bucket!

Wouldn't police have asked him, was anyone else here? Oh, have you checked on the baby?

Anonymous said...

https://mobile.twitter.com/MGarciaNM/status/671505816432734208

More on trump being truthful.

Confused said...

Peter, he did it! Stay on him!!! Cocky SOB thinks he's gonna get away with it!

Anon "I" said...

Carnival Barker, how strange that KW would continue to reinforce how happy the calls make him. It's almost like, hey man, lets rejoice over how Amanda died and how great this will be for your future (to me, anyway). It's sickeningly gleeful. Now, lets see those ACTUAL cell phone records and 911 transcripts!

It's like they have been reading up online and are now trying to make up for lost opportunities to express things that should have been immediate and naturally occurring. Maybe they hope no one will notice that its three weeks late and $25 dollars per person (plus a t-shirt) short. What it is, is obscene.

If Amanda's murder was a porcupine, every last barb would be sticking straight out with a huge red flag on each and every one.

Anonymous said...

This is from the same cousin/family member who made the t-shirts.

Instagram photo by Ben Willis (@benjaminjacobwillis) 16/11/2015 Just some people gathered around a laptop celebrating the life of Amazing Amanda. She made everyone she talked to feel like they were the most important person in the world. She brightened every single room she walked into. Her life wasn't wasted, and today we celebrate that life! #AmandaGrace

MrsP said...

Confused @12:29... that's exactly what I think happened. That's why he was late to the gym. It's almost like at her death, he was ready to spring into action, with the plans he had been making for months.

I'm so grateful to read others' reaction to that "sermon" at her dad's church. I watched it last night and had to get up and go outside to clear my head. It is so bizarre... a dog and pony show. Or some kind of strange reality show. A deep sadness came over me, not at Amanda's death but at the state of the church. This is not true Christianity. This is not the God of the Bible.

What we're seeing here is the exact opposite of Biblical Christianity, "Lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers..."

Amanda was too good for this crowd. God took her out of it. And she is not tanning but thanking God for His mercy.

The Beckster said...

And this #winning tweet from Davey today:

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 5h5 hours ago
For those who knew Amanda well, you know she's sun-tanning on the shores of Heaven sipping her virgin pina colada . . . Loving paradise!

I mean...is this for real? Was he hacked? Is he taunting everyone? This is not right. She has a LITTLE BOY who lost his mother to a brutal murder less than a month ago. Why is he not directing his compassion and focus to being a present father to Weston???

Anonymous said...

Mrs. P:

Amen to that!

SLH

M said...

Anon at 11:12 - Those guns were stolen for his own collection not to use to plant at crime scenes.

Read the PC Affidavit. The caliber is mentioned.

Fine - not registered and hunting guns are treated differently than guns typically used for personal protection, but don't act like they are easy to get if you follow the rules. They are not hard to purchase if you are not a felon and follow the rules....and why should they be difficult to purchase for those who follow the rules. It seems that you are suggesting that there are no background checks. There are - I've purchased a gun so I know. AND - it was a 'long' gun - AND - I didn't get to take it home until the background check was completed. So...now you can carry on about private sales... blah, blah, blah....then re-read what I said about following the law. The law applies to private sales, too. You can't sell to a felon. Period.

Anonymous said...

Divorce should always be an option. "1 man, 1 wife, 4 life." that's a nice ideal, but if it doesn't work, I see nothing wrong with divorce. When I see that train station video, I wish I could reach through the screen and tell her "Get away from that guy!! Immediately!!"

Anonymous said...

I wonder how Amanda Grace would feel if she knew of all the people that knew her and claim to have loved her, no one seems to miss her or acknowledge the abject terror and pain she experienced in her final moments. I wonder how she would feel to know they turned her funeral into a televised sideshow and sold commerative t-shirts like it was a swapmeet. I bet after Davey learned that 6500 people tuned in on the Internet he was pissed he didn't think to make it a Pay-Per-View event instead.

MrsP said...

I just had a scary thought... what if they get a reality show based on these churches? It would fit right in with the mockery that has been made of the south.

Donna said...

@ Andrew & ABB re atheists

I don't consider myself a Christian as I'm not a follower of Christ. I'm related to and know Christians/believers/spiritualists/etc., and my feeling is what DB and other "churches" like his do is so very un-Christian-like. (What's that saying by Ghandi... "I like your Christ, but I don't like your Christians"). I see DB as a perverter of the teachings of Christ. Part of me is expecting a Falwell-esque made-for-TV "I have sinned against you!" moment from him. As a spiritual person non-Christian (I lean towards Buddhist beliefs), I feel grossed out watching DB's videos.


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120 butts in the seats of a rented school auditorium - is that enough for him (and I think he exaggerated that number - maybe that's all the folks on the church mailing list)? We know from his videos that he wants more. What number will be enough? 200, 400, 3,000? All tax-exempt, too. His "pastoring" style seems so style-driven, with no substance. DB himself is keeping folks away, whether they realize it or not. "Gee, he's creepy. Let's go to the Methodists down the street." Or maybe they'll stay at home. In another thread I mentioned that he seems like Brody from "Homeland" to me - an outsider performing a masquerade. I can see DB running for office, milking AB's murder for sympathy votes. All while not saying that he loved her.

One thing that's been bugging me for a week or so: DB made a comment: "New grills in heaven". What, he's never heard of an orthodontist?

buddy said...

Does anyone have a good read, any links to a good story/summation, of how this newfangled American megachurch movement has come to be? Surely some magazine or something has done an expose.

M said...

I've seen the 'tax exempt' statement a few times. I'm not sure if you mean the organization is tax-exempt or the preacher. If you are referring to the preacher, you are mistaken. They pay taxes on their income just like every other citizen.

I think they are still allowed to opt out of Social Security - but they don't receive the benefit later in life if they opt out.

They are also allowed some special deductions that most of us aren't allowed (if they itemize).

Mdkd6262 said...

@ Confused (12:29)

Great post! TELEGRAPHING is the perfect word to describe what I felt when I watched that Resonate Indy commercial from January 27... The imagery and symbolism coupled with the obsurdity of the words chosen was surreal in light of what has transpired. The three examples of failed New Years resolutions are bizarre they are definitely not the usual lineup you would "expect":

1) "distraction-free sex" (2014's failed resolution flashed in banner-form across the image of their actual child Weston crying in a high chair - having food shoved at him - disturbing!)

2) "Zero trips to the emergency room" (2013's failed resolution) again bizarre and unexpected - accompanied by a play fight of someone being shot in he head (although yes it is a nerf gun - the fact remains of all the scenes he could have chosen that's he image he wrote in he scene - has AB had to go to the ER due to physical abuse in tre past - 2013?? Who makes a New Years resolution to have zero trips to the ER??)

3) "prevent snapchats from boys" (2012's failed New Years resolution - PREVENT is a very heavy verb - although the image is of a teenage girl - could AB have been trying to prevent DB from snap-chatting with boys/girls - is that why it's listed in 2012 - is the girl symbolic of the pleasure the girl was getting from receiving snapchats from DB - the year they "relocated" )

As the commercial so aptly conveys "I don't need another resolution, I need a SOLUTION." - here you would expect some sorta hint as to what the solution would be - but instead a "target" sign is introduced. Coincindence? Maybe.

TELEGRAPHING - LEAKING

Is this the "advertisement" that the complaintant was referring to on Resonate Indy site?

Was DB deriving pleasure from intimidating AB with these images & messages?

And why would you use your crying toddler as a prop to advertise he's the cause you have failed to have distraction-free sex...

THIS IS NOT NORMAL... it's sick and abusive and inappropriate for a church advertising campaign - even if it was just a nerf gun - all of this imagery was pre-cursor to a real gun that gunned-down AB - i believe he has been fantasizing about this for a while -

I would like to get Fractal Flowers take on how a psychopath might possibly fantasize about & taunt their intended prey with INTENTIONAL telegraphing and leaking... counting on their superior intelligence to never get caught. I was married to a severe narcissist & he loved to taunt me while he was having an affair - he derived much pleasure & laughter from it... and he had all the characteristics of a sociopath as well.

Anonymous said...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megachurch

BallBounces said...

BallBounces said...
Anonymous andrew said… @The Beckster 4:03
Hope this helps.
December 1, 2015 at 12:20 PM

Andrew -- I posted the above post before I had read the rest of your posts. You already know this. I think we are on the same wavelength. Cheers! BB.

rob said...

Anonymous MrsP said...
I just had a scary thought... what if they get a reality show based on these churches? It would fit right in with the mockery that has been made of the south.


Newsflash: mega churches do not only exist in the south.

Anonymous said...

Would someone mind posting a link to the commercial from January 27th, please?

Mdkd6262 said...

They only pay tax on what they "declare" as their salary - very little. But they have access to the cash & spend it freely as their "expense account" - who needs a salary when all your expenses - vehicles - housing - computers - on & on are paid for as a church expense... For he most part its a tax-free scam!

Anonymous said...

Again, what is not being said? We are not hearing about Amanda's fight at the end. The FACT that she was shot 3 times, punched at least once in the face, stripped down, humiliated, etc. etc. Not one word about what a fighter this little lady was. Not one word that she was a tiny framed mom, yet she hung in there until they removed her from life support. We heard early reports about Amanda "charging" the killer. Where has that story gone? They haven't celebrated Amanda's life, they've buried Amanda's life and story. Poor Weston, he doesn't stand a chance.

Lis said...

MrsP said...
"A deep sadness came over me, not at Amanda's death but at the state of the church."

Amen, MrsP.

Anonymous said...

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 5h5 hours ago
For those who knew Amanda well, you know she's sun-tanning on the shores of Heaven sipping her virgin pina colada . . . Loving paradise!

Concerning DB's tweet above: I made several observations.

Amanda was of pale complexion... He is describing her as he wished she was...
Sipping her pina colada... loving paradise... seems to describe one of their earler honeymoon videos before she discovered who he really was.
Note: No mention of Jesus or God or worship...
No mention of their unborn child... She's not holding her child at the feet of Jesus? Safe and far from sorrow and at peace? etc...

DB is a poor excuse of a pastor. His lack of maturity and wisdom is laughable. I don't understand how anyone would attend a place where he is a "leader". I know I would not.

120 seats filled is not acceptable to him.... During their launch in one of his videos they had something like 600 people attend their opening service... down to 120 PN is probably upset that his investment is doing so poorly at in DB's hands.

I think DB killed Amanda. The burglary was a cover/cleanup gone bad. There are too many personal details surrounding the circumstances. Whoever killed Amanda hated her. How about this possibility concerning the "rape" that was leaked: DB raped her before killing her and going to the gym. The officers claim no rape because the only DNA in her is DB's semen... which would be normal for a married couple... Just a thought.

And just about the only secret lie i can think of for someone like him is the fact that he is gay. That would destroy his "business" If she called him out on it he would kill her to hide his secret.

Kathead said...

Could they have txted afterwards, clariying a finishing thought?
I think Davey knew she was dying inside and he used the phone call as an alibi while waiting to make sure she was dead.

Anonymous said...

Each of the five dealers, the court documents show, had an average of more than one gun recovered in crime every day of the year in 2005. By contrast, 86 percent of gun dealers in America have no crime guns traced to their stores in a typical year.
Just 1.2 percent of gun dealers supply 57 percent of all crime guns recovered across the nation.

The dealers named: Badger Outdoors, West Milwaukee, Wisconsin - 537 Crime Guns; Trader Sports, San Leandro, California - 447 Crime Guns (which is the subject of the government's case); Elliot's Small Arms, Jefferson, Louisiana - 442 Crime Guns; Don's Guns and Galleries, Inc., Indianapolis, Indiana - 431 Crime Guns and Hyatt Coin & Gun Shop, Inc., Charlotte, North Carolina - 405 Crime Guns. A chart of these dealers can be found at bradycenter.org.

The crime gun data is in court papers filed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), a unit of the Justice Department, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern
District of California.

(US Newswire )M are you or a family member law enforcement? Or a gun dealer? Indiana is the scourge of the nation in straw buys of weapons used all over the country.

The following paragraph was pasted from a report on www. Chicagobusinesstimes, dated May 2014 titled, Tracing the guns:The impact of illegal guns on violence in the City of Chicago. The last paragraph on page 8.

Sixty percent of guns recovered in crimes in Chicago were originally sold in other states, many with weaker gun laws. Specifically, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Mississippi all permit gun owners to sell their guns to other people without any background checks of the new buyer or paperwork recording the sale. This makes it incredibly easy for gun traffickers, violent offenders, and other prohibited purchasers to buy guns undetected. In those states, guns can move from buyer to buyer and land in the hands of a shooter or murderer without any paper trail.
Each of the five dealers, the court documents show, had an average of more than one gun recovered in crime every day of the year in 2005. By contrast, 86 percent of gun dealers in America have no crime guns traced to their stores in a typical year.
Just 1.2 percent of gun dealers supply 57 percent of all crime guns recovered across the nation.

The dealers named: Badger Outdoors, West Milwaukee, Wisconsin - 537 Crime Guns; Trader Sports, San Leandro, California - 447 Crime Guns (which is the subject of the government's case); Elliot's Small Arms, Jefferson, Louisiana - 442 Crime Guns; Don's Guns and Galleries, Inc., Indianapolis, Indiana - 431 Crime Guns and Hyatt Coin & Gun Shop, Inc., Charlotte, North Carolina - 405 Crime Guns. A chart of these dealers can be found at bradycenter.org.

The crime gun data is in court papers filed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), a unit of the Justice Department, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern
District of California.

(US Newswire )

M said...

No - what really ticked me off about your post was your broad brush accusation of all law enforcement.

Anonymous said...

Peter, where are you?

Lis said...

lynda said...
"Plus, all this forgiveness talk. Have these gangbangers even asked for forgiveness? How can you grant forgiveness when not asked for it first?"

maybe this describes it:

grand·stand
ˈɡran(d)ˌstand/
verb: derogatory

to seek to attract applause or favorable attention from spectators or the media.

buddy said...

rob,
True enuf but I wonder if what the evan. megachurch has evolved into, the vision for it, was born in the bible belt. There is a large publishing/media industry geared seemingly toward this crowd exclusively, in furtherance of the subculture, and and I'm pretty sure it mostly produced in the south.

M said...

Actually, that's not true - there is one person I can think of in our family who is retired LE.

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