Friday, December 18, 2015

Blackburn Murder: Co Occurring Deception

Co Occurring  Deception in investigations is  rare, but it happens. 

Mostly it is evident in cases of employee theft where an investigation commences and an employee is deceptive, but the employee did not steal; but had done something else for which deception is present in the language, triggering suspicion. 

Over the years, there has been only a handful of cases where co-occuring  deception was indicated.  In each case, it was challenging to sort through.  

In a missing persons case, a father was deceptive about his missing toddler. 

Later, a sex offender down the block was arrested in her murder. 

The father was deceptive because he was hiding a secret...illegal drug abuse had led him to being passed out on the couch, incapable of protecting his daughter, who had gotten out of the house and wandered down the block into the path of a sex offender who had molested and killed her.  In his timeline he indicated deception while speaking about 'what happened' to his daughter.  This is a Co Occurring deception. 

I once investigated a case in which a subject was deceptive and I sent my analysis for review of which it was agreed:  "Yes, she is deceptive, but something else has taken place..." which caused me to explore tangent criminal behavior which later surfaced.  With this being rare, and mostly within employee theft, it can be employee misconduct that is severe or important enough to surface during an investigation.  

On another such theft investigation, a statement revealed deception, though not with the theft.  I then learned that another (and far greater) theft had taken place of which she knew who had done it which is why her statement showed deception indicated.  

                  The Murder of Amanda Blackburn 



Davey Blackburn has been deceptive during the weeks following his wife's murder.  He has shown a desperation to turn it into something it wasn't; to justify his own lack of emotional response to it, which is why he gave it the convenient and commercialized reason for it, ultimately tripping theologically in order to force the view.  

He had a need to justify the death to quell the guilt that was within his language, over not being devastated by it, but relieved.  This coupled with his insatiable drive for success, peddling her death to sell t shirts and bring in numbers.  He has needed to do this.  

Consider:

He showed no emotion whatsoever regarding his wife's killers, uncaught and on the loose.  

He showed little connection linguistically to his wife, her murder, or even his son.   The distancing language was extreme.  

When he was asked about the notion of the husband being investigated, he said, 

"For us, we have nothing to hide" which was the giveaway. 

This is something not only known to analysis, but to parents who hear this from their kids:  he has something to hide.   Not only did he signal he had something to hide, but psychologically 'hid' in the plural of "us" and "we", while speaking for himself. 

When speaking of her death, he used the same plural pronouns. 

He is hiding something and it has to do with someone else (plural) and he lacked normal human emotion regarding his wife's death.  

If Blackburn is hiding something that is dual to his wife's murder, it may be something his mentor not only knows about, but has known about for years, indicating as much when he said, "there's something wrong with that boy" and then went on to give a sexualized description of Blackburn, himself, while at a memorial for Amanda. 

When an investigation commences, one that is deceptive will bring suspicion upon himself or herself, whether is be drug purchasing and abusing, or something along the lines of sexual identity, it is never wise.  The more one speaks, the more deception is indicated.  The more deception is seen, the more the investigation triggers diligence.  From the beginning, police have known he was not the shooter, but his statements and behavior signaled that something was amiss. 

A husband not devastated by his wife and pre born child's death but emotionally distant who signals something is hidden may be just that:  dual deception.  

From the beginning I have noted guilt within the language, but have written that I do not know the source of the guilt; whether it is a connection to the gang that shot his wife, or something else, but whatever it is, it is life consuming and personally defining making it powerful enough in his life to overshadow the murder itself.  

What supports this possibility?

a.  The language as in posted analysis.  
b.  the videos including the repeated attempts to portray 
c.  The language of mentor
d.  The language of friend 
e.  His self revealed history 
f.  Behavioral analysis (commercializing on her death) 

What does not support this possibility?

a.  The coincidental nature of the case

What might lead this to conclusion?

The 911 call. 

As the police investigation continues more information is released. Blackburn, himself, had to be investigated by statistics, alone, but his own words increased suspicion.  In this regard, he has no one to blame but himself.  

For some it is the crass exploitation of Amanda's death, while for others, it is a painful misrepresentation of Christianity that so infuriates them. 

For others, there is the circumstances that say, "no one is this lucky!" when it comes to the coincidental nature of this case. 

Statement Analysis is concerned with truth.  

"For us, we have nothing to hide" is a statement with several elements for analysis.  

1.  Plural
2.  hiding
3.  Negative
4.  Emphasis 

This means that when even a school boy under suspicion says, "I have nothing to hide" he is thinking of something he does not want revealed. 

For Blackburn, not only did this come in the context of his wife's murder, but he used the plural, telling us what he 'did not' have (negative) and did so with 'needed emphasis.'

What does this mean?

It is the language of guilt.  

It is the language of challenge. 

It means that when asked about being investigated, he was specifically thinking of something that he does not want known and...

this is a challenging portion:

it is something that produced not only repetition ("us" and "we") but associates this secret with at least one other person. 

The context:  his wife's murder.

Did she know what he is hiding?

Does someone else know what he is hiding?

That he is hiding something is not in question, but with whom does the secret abide.  

Or...is the plural a psychological retreat for safety, as researchers have shown, where guilt is shared, or thought to be mitigated by the presence of others, like a school boy who is caught and says, "but everyone was doing it!"





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Dianne said...

Indiana does not allow to have 911 calls accessed by the public

http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/911-recordings-transcripts-state-statutes

Kate said...

Dianne, odds are SLIM!

I just watched a vid of his where he looks up (toward God), points up and states: "We got this deal......... right now, where God's like,........ that was good Davey, wink, right?!"

He was basically patting himself on the back about what he had previously stated. Huh. I didn't know we could have deals with God, why didn't anyone tell me that? I'd certainly like a wink every once in a while.



Anonymous said...

Hi Lynda; sorry I never got back to you on your last post on the previous thread. Will try to get back to you on that tomorrow. But just in case I don't; we DO share the same thoughts and regarding Paul.

The mystery to me is that anyone who has ever read all the scriptures in the New Testament, particularly those teachings made by Jesus, would not see what we see being comingled; even those who have looked into the different denominations who basically only teach Paul and they don't see the differences? I don't see how they couldn't see it. IT's as clear as a bell.

I have tried discussing this with a few ministers and they get so defensive about Paul's teachings that they actually get angry that his teachings could ever be questioned as if God himself said all those things and handed down all those doctoring's and new judgments directly to Paul that Jesus never taught; in fact, he taught against.

I have compared every one of Paul's teachings to those of Jesus, back and forth and back and forth, even relating many of those scriptures back into the Old Testament scriptures, and there is no mistaking that Paul was teaching out of bounds with the teachings of Jesus. I have even questioned, but why did Paul say this, but Jesus had already said that? They become highly defensive with no clear answers.

It is very disturbing that they don't see it; not only that, they won't even discuss or consider the vast differences between Paul's teachings and those of Jesus. It is very sad that so many are trying to follow Paul and not Jesus, when it isn't even possible to follow both, not if one really believes and is trying to follow Jesus's teachings.

Have a good rest of the evening... ABB

Maggie said...

DB is definitely involved.

Dianne said...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/11/18/should-indiana-pastor-be-cleared-murder-pregnant-wife


Interesting...so the LE is watching...

Maggie said...

Dianne,
You got my hopes up there for a minute, but that story is a month old and the only one who suspects the husband is the news reporter. Maybe in January when the "perpetrators" go back to court, the media will again put pressure on LE.

Maxie said...

**** Davey is somehow involved in the murder of Amanda Blackburn. ****

Personally, I think he pulled the trigger (all three times).

Misha said...

OT

OMG - the first part of this dr phil show is an absolute study in an out in the open psychopath. It is about the 61 yewar old ex-con pastor who just married a 19 year old.

the second part, I doubt I got 90 seconds before I had to escape. I wondered a tiny bit if dr phil was going to expose him while at the same time thinking that he actually was pure promoting this man. If anyone had the stomach to watch the second part till the end, I would appresciate your thoughts :)
http://vodlocker.com/0e2pd061r0yk

Dianne said...

Maggie, I hope they will find some type of connection. I was looking on youtube at Davey a month before his wife's murder...he had a hoodie and a hat very similar to the regular thugs.

I wonder if that was because he was trying to look like them ...in order to hire them, Or to attract more thugs to the church.

But if you look on youtube and all over the internet, tons of people have the same opinion like us here. He looks guilty. He did it to himself, he just revealed himself to us....

JBB said...

Just read this on DataLounge. It is a FB post by Donae Mitchell. She is talking about a "title" to a new car.

"I don't know why I let my emotions take over me, I serve an amazing God he has my back fr. I got what I needed done and my title came today I'm talking bout he really good y'all! I need to smoke and calm my nerves Damn G, breathe."


One of these numbskulls is bound to flip. DL commenter said it's just another "coincidence" that this chick with no job now has a new car and DB has access to untraceable cash! So many coincidences, so little time DB has spent downtown being questioned.....

southerngal said...

Is Davey preaching tomorrow morning in Indy?

JBB said...

Twitter says Clint Dupin will preach

https://twitter.com/resonateindy

Anonymous said...

The DataLounge confuses me. It's a gay website? How are you getting this stuff?

JBB said...

You can read DL by clicking one of the topics. Here's a link to the DB topic.
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/16131511--smoking-hot-pastor-s-wife-killed-after-failed-robbery-part-4

Fair warning: it's pretty uncensored, so there is some profanity and lots of sarcasm. Still, some people have done research and post valuable tidbits.

Bottle Cap said...

Survey vote: Davey is somehow involved in the murder of Amanda Blackburn.

Anonymous said...

JBB said...
Just read this on DataLounge. It is a FB post by Donae Mitchell. She is talking about a "title" to a new car.
============
Speaking of cars, what came of the rumor that DB paid a sh*tload of cash for a new vehicle? Was that ever confirmed? My apologies if I missed it.

JBB said...

Anon @ 11:04

I don't think there's been an actual confirmation that DB bought that new SUV. Anyone have more info on DB's new car?

Makes me wonder what kind of car Donae (how DOES one pronounce that "name?") is sporting? Surely, LE would look into this. They MUST be monitoring the FB pages of all those connected?

rosy said...

Interesting take on selling T shorts after a young woman, age 16, suffered an aneurysm and died on life support and organ donation:

'Vanessa was well-loved. She baked crazy cupcakes and brought them to school. She played soccer. She swam. Because she was so small, they called her Baby V. After she passed, her classmates at William Henry Harrison High School in Evansville, IN wanted to do something to honor her. They decorated an overpass with the words”We R Vanessa Strong.” They knew she loved Marvel’s Avenger’s and made “Vanessa’s Avenger’s” shirts. Without being asked to, they sold the shirts to help raise money for her services and medical care. They sold out of the first batch of shirts within the first few hours.

At the first football game after she passed, the stands were filled with fans wearing Vanessa’s shirts. Even the opposing team – Castle High School – filled their stands with Vanessa’s shirts. So much love.'
https://pensiveaspie.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/goodbye-small-fry-aspergers-and-grief-part-one-of-two/

rosy said...

^T-shirts

JBB said...

Rosy--
Thanks for sharing. What a wonderful group of kids. Their hearts were in the right place and they honored their friend by giving to her family. That's taking grief and coming together to share love and support.


Foolsfeedonfolly said...

Peter December 18, 2015 at 1:15 PM
“It is not that someone is on the phone, but it is their need to tell an investigator that they were on the phone.

In statement analysis, a "phone" is a "person" , for the purposes of analysis. The phone can tie someone to the crime scene (the home is the crime scene and he was at the home) but this is a minor point. The stronger point is when a subject is speaking and feels the need to talk (or write) about being on the phone, texting, etc.”
__________________________________________

Peter-
So, is “phone” treated as a person because it essentially establishes a witness (and thereby an alibi)? So then, DB ‘s additional need (i.e. priority) to state his location while on the phone, makes his statement doubly sensitive. Am I understanding this principle correctly?

So, his priority is telling us he was at the gym, then he was on the phone driving, then he was on the phone in the driveway. Therefore, he couldn't have killed his wife?

I would expect to hear strong remorse and verbal self-condemnation in his statements (911 dispatcher, EMTs, LE, his initial call to Amanda’s family and his own, and his initial call to the Barretts and Perry Noble) -for being on the phone (as well as outside) while his wife lay bleeding profusely and clinging to life in their livingroom, just inside the front door he left unlocked. Even if he did not feel himself at fault, as manipulative as he is in his numerous self-promotiong grandiose videos, I would expect an attempt at this to maintain/further solidify his loving husband persona and generate sympathy (i.e. interest leading to a chance to preach).

Foolsfeedonfolly said...

RE: The grainy video stills being released

LE clearly stated they were releasing those specific stills, having numerous other and better quality pics. So, the question becomes what is remarkable (as in different in some way) about the poor quality grainy images? Or was it simply a message to the perps or perhaps DB for some reason? Is that particular perp not on any of the numerous and better pics because he dd not enter a residence?

Jo said...

DB was involved
My vote

Mdkd6262 said...

My vote: DB IS INVOLVED somehow in Amanda's murder

FoolForTRUTH said...

Davey is NOT involved at all in the murder of Amanda Blackburn

Sus said...

Rosy,
Thanks for your earlier answer on A Bull and Kilt. From Bull's SM he seems to pull together who he sends out by the job.

I'm wondering if he sent out Watson and Taylor on the November 3 job. And since Taylor was so hard to "keep on track", he had to send Gordon along on November 10. Watson's words at the rape victim's apartment rather hint at this. So does Gordon's role on November 10.

Or...
Were Watson and Taylor on their own November 3? That job told Bull they were what he wanted for November 10? But Bull needed Gordon to make sure they got the job done. Doesn't seem as likely the way the CI is telling it.

But then again...
If you wanted to do a hit, you'd cased the area and knew the house two doors down was empty to wait. You get two expendables for the job. You send your most trusted guy to make certain those two are getting where they should be. He keeps himself clean, along with Bull. Your MO is to steal the car to get to the area, which you do. Watson and Taylor enter. Watson does all the ATM transactions, Taylor kills Amanda.

Gordon tells the "story." Bull and Mitchell hand the evidence to LE. Gordon serves a little time for burglary. The two expendables serve the real time. Bull makes money.

Oh, and the hood cries "Free loc d or g or whatever" across Facebook.

elf said...

If Blackburn was late leaving home for the gym that day, wouldn't he have run late for everything he does in the course of a normal day? He and his friend say they talk every week on that particular day and time, so, why didn't the friend mention that?

Anonymous said...

He has made a deal with someone- but it's not God.

Not a Robot said...

Based only on the evidence we know of from the probable cause affidavit in Amanda's murder, as a juror I would have a hard time voting guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. The prosecution is going to be forced to explain how they know it's not possible that Davey killed her. if Davey had shot her before he left for the gym, JW and LT wouldn't be guilty of murder based on the provision that the death occurred during the commission of a felony. Whether they like it or not, I think prosecutors are going to have to proove DB innocent in order to prove LT and JW guilty. It will be tricky.

They have a CI who has a strong interest in saying what the cops want to hear, but no eyewitnesses to the murder and the time of the shooting is going to be difficult to prove since she lived. They can make some educated guesses but the time frame is so narrow I don't think it's possible for them to say she absolutely wasn't shot before DB left.

I realized today that even if DB isn't involved in Amanda's death, I still don't feel bad for suspecting him and discussing it, because he's so completely fake and unlikeable.

I think he WANTS the faith he professes to have. I think it left him long ago but he was locked in to a life course by way of his family's expectations. He doesn't even believe HIMSELF.

Anonymous said...

flightfulbird says Davey is absolutely involved in the murder of Amanda Blackburn

rosy said...

Sus,

I wonder about casing the area. Where/when do they obtain vehicles? Nov 3, after tossing the apartment, stealing goods and raping the resident, Watson and Taylor stole her car ... only to abandon it.

Nov 10, they and Gordon stole the woman's car on the first job and used it to drive to Sunnyfield Court. Did they have that leg of the trip planned out? Was theft of the car on the first job instrumental in getting them to Sunnyfield? Or were they cruising, even joy riding? What happened to the car?

I think Alonzo's rise (signified by his FB profile photos with bank notes) may be contingent on Treley's incarceration.

idk what Treley's incarcerated for at present. His life of crime goes back to petty hold ups in '08 at age 18, he and a buddy taking $2 & $3 from prep school kids and a purse off a woman. "Records show Kidd was linked to 10 robberies and Vines to seven. Both were held in the Marion County Jail ... bond set at $20,000." In April 2013 Treley Kidd and 4 other men from Indianapolis were arrested by Ellettsville police, down near Bloomington, and booked into Monroe County Jail for possession of amphetamine. Were they using it, selling it, or both. or purchasing it for sale in Indy? No record of follow up.

He's been booked 8 times by Marion County. August 2014 for Intimidation, Unlawful Possession of a Firearm by a Serious Violent Felon, Pointing a Firearm. Since March this year he's been posting the hashtag #FREEME with instructions to deposit cash for him, e.g. "ILL BE HOME SOON!!!!!!!!! ADD ME ON JPAY TRELEY KIDD INMATE NUMBER 194474 #KILT" http://www.oninstagram.com/profile/kidd7164

What I don't understand is how Alonzo keeps a low legal profile. Does he receive goods or just advise to family members over the phone?

rosy said...

^ or just give advise to...

Kate said...

Davey talks about a guy named George who goes around and passes his business card around as "George's tree business". He and Davey are on a first name basis and Davey said he hired him to do some work around his house. I can't find anything in the Indy area for a "george's tree business" but it does make for another red flag as it sounds like he's okay with hiring strangers who are out and about with business cards, no background check?

Sus said...

I'm just throwing some things out, thinking.

When Watson and Gordon left Taylor with Amanda, they had to know he would likely sexually assault her. That is Taylor's history. So they were weren't concerned with that.

If we take the CI at his word, they were concerned when Taylor threatened to kill Amanda. They probably knew he did. They were concerned enough not to go back for him till convinced to by A Bull.

Putting this together, taking Amanda's debit card and raping her was alright. Killing her was over the line...by Watson and Gordon's thinking.

IF DB was involved, IF he hired someone, from this can we take it DB wanted Amanda's money stolen and didn't mind if she was raped? That the shooting was not part of the plan? I'm saying Taylor and Watson, and possibly even Gordon didn't know Amanda was targeted specifically as a hit for theft and rape as punishment. A narcissist loves his punishment and pay back.

That explains why God is now talking to DB in the shower. Why God didn't ask him "ahead of time." Why God is telling DB why she died.

It was obvious in their Q and A vids. And it's been really obvious in his recent tweets. DB sees Amanda as wronging him in some manner. Maybe it was financially. Maybe it was as simple as he thought she spent too much. More likely, knowing a narcissist, he spent too much, and she called him on it.

Sus said...

Rosy,
"Or just advise to family members over the phone?"
Have we checked all attorney directories? Maybe he has a hidden law degree. :-)

Seriously, only two things could keep his profile that low. 1. He has much better connections than we know within the hood. 2. He gives up info to LE, and that's probably to federal.

I'm going with the second.

rosy said...

On the timeline -- if Davey left for the gym later than usual, is it possible that the trio in the stolen car drove by his house, saw his car was still in the driveway, pulled into the neighbor's driveway waiting for him to leave, then discovered the neighbor's house was entry and took advantage of that opportunity *while waiting*?

Apologies if this has already been discussed.

rosy said...


Anonymous Kate said...
at 1:47 AM

Davey talks about a guy named George who goes around and passes his business card around as "George's tree business". He and Davey are on a first name basis and Davey said he hired him to do some work around his house.
=================

Maybe this?

George's Lawn Service
4500 Southeastern Ave - Indianapolis IN 46203
http://www.largepro.com/georges-lawn-service-in-indianapolis-marion-county-46203

rosy said...

reposting with correction, sorry:
On the timeline -- if Davey left for the gym later than usual, is it possible that the trio in the stolen car drove to his house, saw his car was still in the driveway, pulled into the neighbor's driveway waiting for him to leave, then discovered the neighbor's house was EMPTY and took advantage of that opportunity *while waiting*?

Apologies if this has already been discussed.

rosy said...

A key question is why did they drive to Sunnyfield Court? If they knew the neighbor's house would be empty at that time, how did they know that?

If they were simply cruising around, why did they stop at the neighbor's house?

I'm less inclined to think Davey Blackburn hired them than to wonder if they were out to do a reprisal hit on him by hitting his wife. It would have been easy to found his home address online.

I think he's a guy who makes enemies. That's obvious from reactions since Amanda's death. Hundreds, possibly thousands of people who have never met him hate him.

It may be senseless but this has been my intuition all along. When you cross certain powers, they target your family.

October 12 this year, Anthoney Hampton made the news when TV "interviewed him about violence in the Butler-Tarkington neighborhood. He runs an anti-violence group there called WADE-Working Against Devils Everyday. Hampton talked about helping to negotiate a truce between rival gangs in the neighborhood to reduce the violence."
"North side fathers band together to save troubled community":
http://fox59.com/2015/10/12/north-side-fathers-band-together-to-save-troubled-community/

A few days later, Hampton's stepson 23-year-old Jordan White, was shot dead in the doorway of his home. "Police say the shooting does not appear to be a random act of violence. They believe White knew, or at least knew of, his attacker."

There's a mass of speculation aimed at pinning down whether Davey Blackburn could have put out a contract on Amanda's life. I think there's room for a little bit of speculation the other way about. Was Davey Blackburn seriously irritating to anyone on the scene in Indy? Was Amanda Blackburn a target in her own right on account of anything she said or did?

There's a gulf between the actions of the North side fathers and Amanda's campaign #FORINDY. Most of the people recruited to Resonate church are white. The church seems to do little if any outreach to high crime areas. #FORINDY was kind of boho outreach. Yet Amanda actively, even aggressively, preached life change to women struggling with addictions, sexual promiscuity, and who knows what else. While Davey pranced around the stage playing gangsta with an Airsoft, she counseled women in groups and one on one. Did anyone get to riled by her activities?

Just thinking out loud.

Kate said...

Rosy, that's probably it, thank you!

All good points above. If you google street map Davey's area, it's a long drive in to the end. Not long, long, but a deeper street. So they just happen to luck out and hit the one empty house on the street? Unless they knew in advance, that's the only way to make sense of it. Right away, law enforcement came out with the story that most likely the robbers saw Davey leave and siezed the opportunity.

The dark SUV hasn't been mentioned since early on. Prosecutor Denise Robinson mentioned what was being tested for dna and while I'm sure she didn't mention all of it, she didn't mention the SUV, only the sebring (however it's spelled). Is it possible that dark SUV mentioned early on was Pastor David Blackburns?

rosy said...

Map of Indianapolis Hood Map

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=zMZLnaNst2GM.ki2CE42VRiTY&hl=en

Amanda and Davey Blackburn house is in Springhill/ Whyndale. Closest hoods colored black, is 4th Ward aka 40th Boulevard, "West Side. Claredon to Illinois 38th to 42nd
Once a area of GDs now its a new era called Konnect Gang."

rosy said...

Kate said..
December 20, 2015 at 3:09 AM.
Rosy, that's probably it, thank you!
The dark SUV hasn't been mentioned since early on. Prosecutor Denise Robinson mentioned what was being tested for dna and while I'm sure she didn't mention all of it, she didn't mention the SUV, only the sebring (however it's spelled). Is it possible that dark SUV mentioned early on was Pastor David Blackburns?
==================

I've seen references to the Blackburns' vehicle as a '97 Honda Civic. I wonder if it is a Honda Civic station wagon, possibly mistakable for SUV. Here in the driveway (Daily Mail):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3366677/Men-accused-Amanda-Blackburn-charged-burglarizing-raping-woman.html

Kate said...

Rosy, yes that could be. The google street view shows a red truck in the street and a red car in the driveway. A google earth view shows a silvery/white car in the driveway. I guess at this point it's anyone's guess. I'm hoping when Davey goes to do his Christmas sermon that he will show up in his vehicle and a local can let us know what he is driving.

Also noticed this evening on all the rotten sermons I have watched of him, he dresses quite differently than the Davey today. Now he's in sweaters and has has more of a Mister Roger's look to him. At his sermons, he wore hipster clothing, imo.

Mdkd6262 said...

Look at the difference between DB's videos just prior to the murder compared to after the murder. Below are examples... he hardly smiles and has a strained/worried demeanor compared to how happy he is in the interviews just after her murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saQtEmY9v6Y
October 6, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MeOA5W00F8
October 1, 2015

Anonymous said...

Wow Kate, I'm amazed at how many posters were here blogging on a Saturday night, voting 'for' Davey being involved in Amanda's murder. I only saw one who voted not involved. Course, it is early on a Sunday morning so I could have missed one or two.

I got a kick out of your post about God giving Davey a wink and how you could certainly use a little wink from God. Yeah, right? Can you imagine Davey even thinking such a thing, much less saying it? Here, God has billions of people on this earth to try to look after and send help too from his kingdom, while fighting his battle with the devil, but He's got time to wink a nod at Davey? The man has got to be batshyt crazy.

What is WRONG with people? If this fool thinks somebody winked at him it would be satan and not God. Tragically, people do get tricked into believing all sorts of crazy things involving God, and blaming God for what He 'told' them to do when it was satan deceiving them; you suppose he might actually believe this b/s from God?

Sus, you are doing a fine job and a lot of hard work researching the thug gang; (you are too Rosy). I could never do all the research you are doing Sus. My mind would draw a blank on where/how to even get started. It is hard for me to imagine that people think so little of their lives that they could live like these lo-life parasites do, like they are less than sub-human beings. I don't get it, how people could think and live like they do, not even wanting a better life nor valuing the lives of others. Thank you for researching and posting your research. ABB

Anonymous said...

MDKD, I watched the first video. Good heavens, he couldn't even show commitment, care and connection to his own wife but he can teach others how to do it? So, he's setting up all these team groups with leadership of their team groups teaching them how to take full-time control of their daily lives. Is this anything more than leading to a cult mentality? I just can't even think that people would actually commit all their time to something like this. It's not like it's a paying job! ABB

Anonymous said...

I noticed that his eyes are fix, staring straight ahead, very little natural movement of the eyeballs and eyelids. I also noticed that he would occasionally suck up mucus from his nose. He looks like a cocaine addict to me. ABB

Sloane Berrie said...

How much does it cost to set up a new church? Is it possible that he squandered the money that PN gave him to set up the church? Does he have a drug or gambling problem?

I suppose the sound system of the church cost a bit, rent for the school, printing stuff, etc can eat away at the money.

Was Amanda's murder perhaps a bad debt that was owed?

Did the 3 take bank cards from the other victims and then spent with it? Or was Amanda the only one that had to give her pin number?:

With the other burglaries only valuable items were taken?

Anonymous said...

Another key 'looka-here' symptom of cocaine use is keeping his eyes wide open. The cocaine user thinks that if he keeps his eyes wide open and staring straight ahead at you, you won't see anything wrong in his eyes. Wrong. It is still in the pupils of the eyes and the lack of natural blinking. There is a difference between natural blinking and the heavy-lid blinking Davey does. The practiced cocaine user also speaks almost non stop in his persuasion of whatever he is coercing you into believing without wavering to allow you time for your thoughts to stray onto his cocaine usage or whatever substance he is hiding.

I know that I'mAPsychNurse does not believe there is any drug usage going on with Davey, this being due to her many years working with drug addicts and other substance abusers, duly respected; but I too have seen cocaine use up close and personal and I'm still believing Davey is a cocaine (or other substance) abuser, more likely cocaine, which is not always easy to detect. If perchance I am wrong,(slim chance); then he needs to be locked up and kept locked up as the dangerous 'crazy' is in his eyes. A dead give-away. I wouldn't want to push his buttons. They are easily triggered. ABB

Anonymous said...

Sloane, I cannot answer most of our questions, but I do believe many of them have been answered in earlier articles and posts and in video links that have been posted. I have not watched most of them as this type so-called preaching and misleading others with distortions of God's Holy Word distresses me badly so I avoid it. I am not a person who gets depressed, but I do believe this could depress me so I keep away from it.

Sorry I can't help. The above video that I just viewed is only one of two that I have ever watched, which, in both videos; watching Davey's manner of speech, eye and facial movements is what convinces me of the cocaine.

Many people believe that the drug addict is gutter filthy, dirty, breaking into homes and wallowing in misery but this is not necessarily true. All that I've ever personally known were well dressed professionals, bankers, lawyers, indian chiefs and CEOs of corporations and an odd one here and there. They all carry themselves exactly the same way, even socially.

When one does the type of work I do, I look for it because I am going to be the one who is going to take control of our negotiations, and win, not them. I've made it my business (had to!) to know who/what I'm dealing with so this explains my astuteness in believing I see cocaine in Davey's eyes.

I am not real sure how Davey's financial church structure was established; only that pastor/preacher Nobel, his mentor and a highly successful money-grabber with an annual intake of approx $34M that he fleeces from his flock, fronted Davey to the tune of $100K; I understood was for a period of two yrs to get his ministry established. The two yrs was either up or rapidly approaching it's end.

I do not know if this money was to be repaid, when or how, or ever; but it has been my thinking that this up front funding would have included Davey & Amanda's personal living expenses to a point since I certainly can't see it costing #100K to rent a cheap church space at a school (no utilities or other R.E. related costs), using the school's equipment, etc.

The rest of their get-started costs was probably minimal, but I would imagine the money ran out long ago and Davey was up to his coked out eyeballs in debt but still hanging on. All Amanda's fault, of course. Now pregnant again. Her fault. ABB

Anonymous said...

To Kate and Rosy:
Hard to believe, but many people hire people without background checks to do work around their home business.It is understood they aren't hiring a Secret Service member to trim their shrubs, wash their windows, or roof their home. It isn't needed unless you are working on a government contract/property.

Keeping people from working does not deter crime regardless of what you all have decided via harassing anyone that has come in contact with your "suspect" DB.

How do we know what your background is? You are working on this case with undue fervor, yet offer no explanations for your motives.

MsDp said...

Yes on DB's involvement!

Anonymous said...

Anon @6:53, this site is a serious study of Statement Analysis and it's authenticated methods ins seeking to find truth, not an attempt to victimize anyone or to jump to conclusion without basis of foundation. You can accuse pseudo science if you like, but this is not the case; your misfortune. ABB

Mdkd6262 said...

ABB-
The cocaine angle makes sense to me. There is something "wired" seeming about him to me especially in these videos right before her murder. He also seems like he has lost weight esp compared to him now...

Anonymous said...

Many people believe that the drug addict is gutter filthy, dirty, breaking into homes and wallowing in misery but this is not necessarily true. All that I've ever personally known were well dressed professionals, bankers, lawyers, indian chiefs and CEOs of corporations and an odd one here and there. They all carry themselves exactly the same way, even socially.

The rest of their get-started costs was probably minimal, but I would imagine the money ran out long ago and Davey was up to his coked out eyeballs in debt but still hanging on. All Amanda's fault, of course. Now pregnant again. Her fault. ABB ""

Okay, then why is 'get-started costs' used in lieu of start-up costs? Doesn't sound like executive language to me!

Anonymous said...

Oh grow a brain, Anon @7:47! Who cares if it's 'start up costs' or 'get started costs'? So, you have no business savvy, 'eh? It means the same thing and you know it, doe-doe bird. Man, would I LOVE to have you on the other side of the negotiating table while I write the contracts. Such fun! ABB

Anonymous said...

If perchance I am wrong,(slim chance); then he needs to be locked up and kept locked up as the dangerous 'crazy' is in his eyes.''

abb, the the word "perchance" does not make you sound smarter. Admitting you won't deviate from your projected analysis of drug addicts based on your son(s)addiction which you decided to cure on your own which, incidentally, contributed to his death-and with no time left to spare as he vacuumed and left the title to his car to you since you had no transportation. What did you feed him as a child that contributed to his "fairyness?'"

Anonymous said...

MDKD, you really can't tell much about their weight gains and losses unless they have lost an exorbitant amount of weight very quickly, in which case it would mean they are so deep into their drug usage that they have all but stopped eating. In that case it becomes a choice of can they afford to eat or buy drugs? The choice would be to buy drugs and don't eat. If anything, they have more of a tendency to gain weight as they will stuff themselves all night while on a high, especially with fattening sandwiches, sweets or beer.

The real key that they try so hard to hide is in their speech mannerisms, movement of the head (lack of), quickly sucking snot up their nose, fixed eyes looking straight ahead, smallish pupils, heavy eyelid movement without natural blinking all while keeping you focused on their words so you won't notice.

Amanda was in a very dangerous position with a fool for a husband and no safety net; NO ONE to come to her rescue, no where to go and no money of her own to get there with, hiding his dope usage and abuse in shame, AND his sexual perversions. With only her prayers and Jesus to comfort her, she was totally at his mercy. He HAD to be sucking more up his nose than she was earning with her little hard working furniture refinishing and resale business, which you KNOW he had to be insulting her over every minute while she struggled on breathing in toxic fumes and her pregnant.

I am SOOOo sorry for her, what she HAD to be going through and with no hope out of his crazy anytime soon. Poor girl. ABB

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Anonymous said...

Amanda was in a very dangerous position with a fool for a husband and no safety net; NO ONE to come to her rescue, no where to go and no money of her own to get there with, hiding his dope usage and abuse in shame, AND his sexual perversions.""

Why doesn't someone start a Justice for Amanda page so they can make sure DB is convicted of the crimes of your wildest imagination?

If I saw someone sniffing my first thought would be allergies or a cold; no cocaine addiction! What retard comes up with that type of crap?

It's unexpected.

Anonymous said...

Explosive combination-hotead and gasbag.

That negotiation table would have to be at least 4 ft wide to prevent you from going to jail for assault.

Anonymous said...

No. Just keen, sharp and on the ball, knowing exactly what I'm doing.

You sell yourself short my dear. You have no knowledge of the reality of the successful business world. It's not done by brawling or cat-hissing. It's done via successfully negotiating rock-solid contracts and watching the eagle fly over to make a little drop at YOUR bank. But I don't think you need to trouble your little empty head with any of this. Carry on. I'm busy. ABB

Anonymous said...

"Carry on."

Military phrase. Interesting.






















Anonymous said...

I learned that 'real good' was supposed to be 'really good' from an African-American/Cherokee mix years ago. Really is an adverb which describes good.

But if it is good, wouldn't that be enough? Why not best?

An example: I have at my disposal some of the best hackers to commit federal offenses in cyberstalking you've ever seen. Not just good;really good.

Anonymous said...

Ot......................maybe. this article may be the reason others on this blog are seeking to victimize the first rape victim in the AB case. demographic research to take over area. Cops who write back to tipsters like they were recruited from the 6th grade,and moronic christian leaders such as DB and friends.

news/call-6-investigators/rape-victims-indiana-is-failing

Anonymous said...

Maxie, ref your post at 10:10 p.m., "personally I think he pulled the trigger (all three times)" has occurred to me too. He certainly had the motive, the opportunity and the time; with the home invasion burglary and thefts being a set up. Easily arranged. His biggest motives:

He hated Amanda and did not bother to hide it. He thought he needed a wife to get his lucrative preaching business off the ground, so he chose a pretty one, the daughter of a minister herself, thinking he had hit pay dirt; but she had been nothing but a drag on his much higher goals than she ever had. Poor girl.

He set her up for marriage when he didn't love her and is not even capable of loving a woman; he faked sex and a happy honeymoon then started ignoring and insulting her as soon as they returned from the honeymoon, claiming she demanded too much of his time, then blaming it all on her lack of sexual satisfaction and his being 'busy.' Amanda was just a woman in love with her husband and wanted to be with him. She had no idea that he did not and could not love her.

He needed a wife who could benefit his 'numbers' and caused her to fall in love with him deliberately, then hated sex with her and did not bother hiding this. WHY? He set her up in the first place because he is a sexual pervert no matter which way he swings; 69'er, little boys, other men and likely women too; whatever, he would 'take' her when the convenience suited him, but he preferred strutting his stuff for deviate sex with others and definitely not with the pure and lovely wife Amanda. For this, he brought her deep humiliation and shame.

FINALLY and the final straw; she is pregnant again. She KNEW he hated her being pregnant; he didn't even like babies and she knew it. NOW look what she's gone and done, sticking him AGAIN for all time with no way out for him. EVER. Of course, she will not consider an abortion. Oh, is that so? THAT can be fixed once and for all, which is exactly what he did, or caused to be done. How thinly he veils himself; anybody who has their eyes open should be able to see his motives. ABB

Anonymous said...

Ot...kinda. Does language have any bearing on actions?

Here's just one example of what morons of ABB's ilk are capable of:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/12057128/Former-Countdown-champion-jailed-for-30-months.html

JBB said...

Wow. Lots of good comments late into the night and morning hours!

One thing that gets me about DB's phone conversation with his "best friend" Is that the 7:00 AM hour is VERY EARLY to have a chat with your bestie--or anyone! I know I would never call someone that early in the morning, considering they could be sleeping or getting ready for work, etc. It makes me wonder WHY DB would call so early--even if the two buddies had "regular" conversations, I find it hard to believe they were all at the crack of dawn. DB's call that early was out of the ordinary, imo.

Sorry if someone has already mentioned this and I missed it.

Hope's Food and Family said...

I am with you on Ryan McConnell- I also would vote that CD has info into this crime

JBB said...

Rosy @ 2:57--

I tend to agree with your line of thinking. I have been thinking that this could have been a retaliation--maybe Davey owed the thugs money for drugs? I saw a few comments about this type of scenario as well.

So, possibly the "associated guilt/deception" is that DB didn't actually plan the rape and murder, but he knows the perps intimately and he knows "why" they were at his house. He knows his actions led to Amanda's rape and murder?

I continue to believe that despite their gang honor codes, one of those fools will say something. Maybe the one who has hired a lawyer (Gordon) will be convinced to take a deal by talking??

Sus said...

Rosy,
You solved the mystery about the black suv. The mystery in my mind. Thank you. The black Honda Civic that is a station wagon looks like an suv.

DB was driving that Honda Civic the morning of November 10. That is what he drove to the gym, leaving at "around 6:00 am" according to one detective and "6:11" according to another.

At the first press conference detectives mentioned video caught a dark colored suv entering the cul de sac at 6:00 and leaving one minute later. Media picked up on this suv as the stolen vehicle left later and filled with evidence and scrubbed for dna. They were mistaken. The stolen vehicle used by the burglars was a Sebring.

The dark colored SUV was never mentioned by LE again. It was not in the probable cause doc. Whose is it? And why did it pull in at the very time burglaries were being committed and DB stated he left?

Possibilities: 1. An unknown or known to police, picking up a neighbor. 2. DB in the Honda Civic coming back from somewhere. Was he somewhere before leaving for the gym? 3. A Bull. There are pics of D Mitchell on her Facebook standing beside a large black SUV. And pics of A Bull and D Mitchell sitting inside an SUV.

Anonymous said...

As far as I can tell, Honda didn't make a Civic station wagon in 1997 ... at least not that was sold in America. They were sold in Europe under names other than Civic.

Sus said...

I am going by the picture of their vehicle in their driveway. It is posted in the Daily Mail that Rosy cited. I then googled it and came up with loads of pics just like that car. But I'm going to try again. I don't know if you call it a wagon, but I'm wondering if it could be mistaken on vids for an SUV. Point is, it was dropped by LE.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Sus, I understand that the black SUV was seemingly dropped by LE, but I think it's a stretch to say folks mistook a Honda Civic for an SUV.

I don't think that's a Honda Civic In the Daily Mail photo.

Look at this photo of their house: http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/151118_gma_pastor_wife.jpg

THAT's a Honda Civic.

BB said...

DB is involved. Too many coincidences for him to be not involved. The premeditation is obvious and sickening. HOWEVER, the alleged murderers makes sense on its own without DB's involvement. The connection is what shall be interesting.

Anon "I" said...

Kate at 12:10;
It might be possible that LT had been warned previously not to be scratched so DNA would not be traceable. If it seemed she might approach him, maybe he shot first being scared that she might reach him even if she was quite a distance away.

Pak31 at 3:52;
I don't think that we should underestimate the power of a tiny woman who is threatened and has two children to protect. I am thinking of the adage of how you don't ever, ever mess with a mother bear. Her adrenaline must have been running so high, she might have reacted before she ever had a chance to think about what she was doing. I experienced this when a nurse quickly reached out to see if I was having contractions (the "equipment" wasn't showing ANY contractions). I violently pushed her away instinctively and without thinking. Turns out, I *was* having full contractions and she was she ever shocked. When I think back, I waffle as to whether or not she deserved to be pushed (grin), but I had done it without conscious intent and during extreme pain.

rosy said...

Mdkd6262 said...
at 5:44 AM
Look at the difference between DB's videos just prior to the murder compared to after the murder.
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Good observations. To be clear, both the videos, a year apart, are before the murder.

The first video comes, he says, out of a suggestion from Kenneth. Presumably this is Kenneth Wagner his phone "doing-life" buddy. Kenneth's church, though "planted" after Resonate, was taking off, with over 400 people while Resonate was piddling along at around 100 people. Davey, to compensate for a mortifying sense of failure, leaps in to propose a set of over-complicated rules for "structure" to HELP Kenneth's church.

This is a common tactic in everyday life and business, one person offering to HELP another (who's forging ahead) to cover their own sense of losing. Help by imposing a super-plan where none is currently needed. Could be Davey does this to himself and causes self-defeat.

What springs out is how Davey, desperate for success and recognition, could not sit back and say "Well done, Delaware (or wherever Kenneth's church is)! Can YOU give ME any tips for growing my church as fast as you have yours?" )Or, "Well done! Guess your situation is different from ours, we're forging ahead at our own pace."

Instead his mind races ahead to create a complex scenario which, as Mdk says, amounts to a dreadful spy-on-everyone cult setup. He has a wicked perception of the enemy as GOSSIP. Probably picked up that from Perry Noble and probably was prepared to sanctify it by scriptural chapter and verse.

In a bizarre way, national network coverage of his wife's murder bathed him in RECOGNITION. As though the news coverage exalted him.

I think his behavior in the media limelight, a sort of hypo-mania, may be a stress-overload reaction. A defense against falling to pieces.

Anonymous said...

Amanda was not a "tiny" woman. She was average height and a healthy weight. Her size doesn't make what happened to her any more or less horrible, but I've seen her described as tiny several times, and it is not accurate.

Anonymous said...

Been thinking about this case a lot. I don't think ab was planning on leaving db yet. I think she was unhappy in Indy and with another baby on the way wanted to move back home. The church was not doing as well as they had hoped, lease up at school. I think that's what she was struggling with leading up to her murder. Maybe she gave him an ultimatum. I still don't understand how ab's family does not despise db. Even if he didn't pull the trigger or hire the perps who did, he still caused her death and seems to have no remorse. He wanted to move to Indy, he left door unlocked, he sat on phone in driveway while she bled out. Under those circumstances any decent human being would be experiencing at least some sense of guilt. I'd be shocked if he wasn't involved somehow in her murder. Either way, he's a despicable human being.

Sus said...

Anon 1:49,
Thanks. I don't know cars, evidently. Would it be fair to say the black SUV in the gma pic you cited and the SUV in the daily mail pic Rosy cited are one and the same?

So, DB left for the gym around 6:00 or 6:11. I still want to know why video caught a dark colored SUV entering the area at that time and leaving one minute later. Especially knowing the Blackburns own a black SUV.

It's probably a coincidence.

rosy said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
at 1:49 PM
Yes, Sus, I understand that the black SUV was seemingly dropped by LE, but I think it's a stretch to say folks mistook a Honda Civic for an SUV.
I don't think that's a Honda Civic In the Daily Mail photo.
Look at this photo of their house: http://abcnews.go.com/images/US/151118_gma_pastor_wife.jpg
THAT's a Honda Civic.
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Yes, Anonymous! That's the photo I set out looking for before coming across the Daily Mail shot. You're right, the little black car is a Civic.

rosy said...

Anonymous said...
at 2:15 PM
Been thinking about this case a lot. I don't think ab was planning on leaving db yet. I think she was unhappy in Indy and with another baby on the way wanted to move back home.
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I take it you mean back home to her parents' house in Elkhart? I don't think Amanda would have wanted to move back in with them and she would probably have been as worried by divorce as any pastor's wife is likely to be.

If I may take the opportunity, I'd like to correct a media notion that for Amanda home was Carolina. Media has reported "The Blackburns ... moved to Indianapolis from South Carolina two years ago." This is a distortion. It falsely supports NewSpring propaganda, regurgitated by Davey, that a "slingshot wife" will move wherever her husband needs to go. On the contrary, the Blackburns' move to Indianapolis brought Amanda back home.

When Davey proposed "planting" a church in Indianapolis he was probably yielding to suggestions from Amanda. She was a prime cheerleader for the #FORINDY campaign.

Indiana WAS Amanda's home since early childhood and she probably missed it in S. Carolina. Amanda was born in Michigan and raised in north and central Indiana. She went to a Christian high school in Indiana. After 2 years of college in Florida, she moved back to Indiana to marry in a church in Indiana. By then (I think) Amanda and a friend of hers had already begun their business Weathered Willow in Indianapolis. Friends and customers from that business were there when she returned.

At the time she and Davey married her parents lived in the north west central Indiana suburban "farm" style house under construction in several photos (mistaken by some commentators as Amanda's brother's house). Her father was a youth pastor there. He also worked as building contractor on a new church facility,. Sometime after the crash of '08 the parents moved north to Elkhart. Amanda's maternal grandparents continued to live a few miles outside of Indianapolis in easy reach of the house the Blackburns bought in Sunnyfield Court.

Davey also has relatives in Indy, where his parents lived before moving to N. Carolina. But he is the one who found Indiana winters strange and he may still have no real "feel" for life in Indianapolis.





Anon "I" said...

CJ at 11:21

ANSWER #4? Fall guy if something goes wrong? Young and clueless?

ANSWER #5? Easy to control? He stops when they tell him to stop...?

ANSWER #6? Easily inebriated or willing to be drugged resulting in faulty memory?



Pioneer Bee:

You'd best start taking long showers so God can pop in to talk with you directly... Sorry, I'm being bad....



Kate:

Involved, with lots of secrets and way too many co-ink-y-dinks. Five coincidences, maybe I'd be on the fence, but this list is unbelievably long and that's just the things we know about so far!!

I wonder when we will find someone who starts to talk about DB's behavior from his own congregation (and/or his FIL's). There HAS to be one person in all of INDY who isn't buying what DB is peddling.

Sus said...

I'd like to explore the co-occurring guilt Peter wrote of. From the first time DB spoke he raised red flags about the GYM. I thought maybe that was sexual, but now I'm wondering if it is drugs.

Treezy (required hood middle name) Jones and DB WERE Facebook friends. That they deleted each other is suspicious.

I think it's a real possibility these two know each other from the gym. Treezy posted a pic of his back to the camera flexing his biceps. It makes me think he lifts. His mother commented, complimenting his body. That furthers the idea that he has been lifting and sculpting his body.

Treezy isn't hiding the fact that he sells, even posting that he's making a trip to St Louis, and asking who needs anything.

I have thought since I first saw the vids with DB and Amanda, that DB may use amphetamines. He talks rapidly. He rants. He says himself that he doesn't sleep. He makes comments about coffee use. I think that's a cover because he knows he's speeding. I would love to know if he was diagnosed ADHD as a child and kept up Ritalin use as an adult, eventually buying illegally.

Treezy was robbed and shot five times in October, according to his mother. I wonder what he was robbed of.

Maybe Amanda's death has nothing to do with Treezy, but DB was worried it did. Something to think about.

Kate said...

Anon@7:33
To Kate and Rosy:
Hard to believe, but many people hire people without background checks to do work around their home business.It is understood they aren't hiring a Secret Service member to trim their shrubs, wash their windows, or roof their home. It isn't needed unless you are working on a government contract/property.
Keeping people from working does not deter crime regardless of what you all have decided via harassing anyone that has come in contact with your "suspect" DB.
How do we know what your background is? You are working on this case with undue fervor, yet offer no explanations for your motives.

First, it's not hard to believe that people hire other people without background checks, why do you think that's hard to believe? In my opinion, Davey shouldn't be hiring a regular Joe without a background ck because he has a pregnant wife and a 1 year old child. But Davey never did put his family as number one priority, that is clearly evident with all the other shenanigans he pulled, including leaving his front door unlocked. A lot of people go to angieslist or other preapproved sites to find a handyman or a person who can be trusted to come into their home and work, but not good ole' Daveyboy.

What's my background? Not that it is any of your business, but go ahead and run a background check on me, it'll be a huge waste of your money. I've never been arrested, never had a dui, nada, nothing. My interest in this case is only to hope that justice prevails and Davey Blackburn is investigated and prosecuted if he is involved.

December 20, 2015 at 7:33 AM

Kate said...

So far our survey has revealed.............

19 votes for Davey being involved.

1 vote that Davey is not involved.

Anon "I" said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5m2dgBDris

Have you all seen this by Inside Edition? When saying goodbye to her in the hospital, he said they have done long distance before and this isn't something we can't overcome? She's dead!!! Thank-goodness DB has a special deal with God so he can keep up his "long distance" relationship with AB!!! Maybe he *really* did see something he calls God in the shower, too.

I wish he would preach again. He can't shut up and the truth keeps leaking out like an avalanche. Hand me some more rope for DB, will ya?

Anon "I" said...

Anonymous Kate said...
Davey talks about a guy named George who goes around and passes his business card around as "George's tree business". He and Davey are on a first name basis and Davey said he hired him to do some work around his house. I can't find anything in the Indy area for a "george's tree business" but it does make for another red flag as it sounds like he's okay with hiring strangers who are out and about with business cards, no background check?

December 20, 2015 at 1:47 AM

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Is this where Treezy becomes a connection? Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Kate said...

Could be, I. That's what I was wondering. Or a connection with Ryan McConnell. I still have a hunch Ryan was the middle man, a runner, was very much involved. But just my opinion.

ABB in reference to Davey's nose issues, I've got one clip of him hocking and sucking, pretending to be Jesus, ready to spit a loagee (sic). It's disgusting and I've never seen another Pastor EVER behave like this in or outside of a church.

rosy said...

Anonymous Sus said...
at 3:51 PM
I'd like to explore the co-occurring guilt Peter wrote of. From the first time DB spoke he raised red flags about the GYM. I thought maybe that was sexual, but now I'm wondering if it is drugs.... I have thought since I first saw the vids with DB and Amanda, that DB may use amphetamines. He talks rapidly. He rants. He says himself that he doesn't sleep. He makes comments about coffee use. I think that's a cover because he knows he's speeding. I would love to know if he was diagnosed ADHD as a child and kept up Ritalin use as an adult, eventually buying illegally....Maybe Amanda's death has nothing to do with Treezy, but DB was worried it did.
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Sus,
I've been thinking along similar lines. Ritalin as a gateway to "intellect enhancing" amphetamines, and also steroids. I know the idea of gateway drugs is questionable. It's been said that "it's the characteristics of children with ADHD that are most likely to lead them to substance abuse, not the drug." In any case, some time after leaving baseball dreams in the Alabama and S Carolina dust, Davey put on a lot of muscle. He does not have the look of crack amphetamine. Possibly he's had a source for campus-circulated attention enhancing drugs, or cocaine, and/or steroids.

This puts in view the combination in him of of pastor and athlete. There's an org called Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Media keep count of e.g. "Top 12 Evangelical Christians in Sports Today." Davey may be a born athlete who really needs to work out. I sense, though, that he forced himself way too hard into the pastor role partly because he wasn't succeeding well enough to stand out, excel, in sports. A subsequent problem was that he’d never been a natural at communicating with *people."

Studying communication and media in college is no substitute for empathy. Instead of relating to people, he relates to his own images of Jesus and Paul and preaches at people. His lack of everyday people comfort is visible in family photos ‘05-06. At age 19/20, he looks like a mid-teens nebbish, maybe hot-housed, with unshaped potential, immature character, and zero "style."

He was star-struck by Amanda in the same way as he'd been star-struck by heavily masculine men of his own age or a little older (possibly by his roommate Kenneth, definitely by Gavin Wilkerson). Gradually over the years, he remade his own image to match the photogenic self-presentation Amanda had all along.

There's a telling photo of him from 2004 with a young woman on a mission in Ecuador. Like him, she has no "glamor." They look authentic, matched in their relative discomfort. The truth of his talk of a sling shot wife includes this, I think: the magic of Amanda sling-shotted him beyond that stage of discomfort in which a young person must gradually own an identity in relationships with potential partners.

If Davey and Amanda had been able to agree that theirs was a "starter" marriage, how long would it have lasted? Weston was not born until beyond the point at which many marriages entered at age 20 have broken up. Maybe conceiving was not easy, maybe Amanda was vested in her own pastoring and business careera, or they were both waiting to feel sure.

If they were both aware of some unhappiness from the start, constraints imposed by Amanda's religious faith plus Davey's quirks and pastoral ambitions foreclosed a fresh start and put severe limits on the sort of free-ranging thought, reading, counseling, and experience that may help people mature beyond their parents' and their own adolescent biases.

By October this year, he was in desperate straits.

rosy said...

Anonymous Kate said...
December 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM
Anon@7:33
To Kate and Rosy:
Hard to believe, but many people hire people without background checks to do work around their home business....How do we know what your background is? You are working on this case with undue fervor, yet offer no explanations for your motives.

First, it's not hard to believe that people hire other people without background checks, why do you think that's hard to believe? ...What's my background? Not that it is any of your business, but go ahead and run a background check on me
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Excuse us! No idea what you're talking about or why you're in a huff. I responded to an ask by passing along a link to a company called George's landscaping (or whatever). That's all.

I pass no judgment at all on whether a b/ground check was made or required. I took the request literally, are there any companies called George's tree business in or around Indy? All I could find was a George's landscaping.

Sus said...

"By October this year, he was in desperate straits."

Yes!! That's exactly what I saw. I kept posting he was ready for a psychotic break down. I could see it. I have seen it.

Now, in my thinking, the gym comes into play. It's flagged in his language. Before Amanda died and as his alibi. It's popping up in his language a lot.

I knew about that pic of Treezy. And it finally occurred to me they may know each other from the gym. Or someone at the gym recommended Treezy as a drug source.

DB sure did drop Treezy quick once Amanda was killed, which suggests some nefarious connection.

I'm not saying DB set up the murder through Treezy. He may have. But it may also be that DB was worried that was what it was. That's the guilt we are seeing. And what DB has to "get healthy" from.

It could also be that A Bull is targeting Treezy and his customers. Treezy was shot and robbed in October. The rape victim said Watson Taylor asked about her boyfriend. Just a thought.

rosy said...

Anon "I" said...
at 4:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5m2dgBDris

Have you all seen this by Inside Edition? When saying goodbye to her in the hospital, he said they have done long distance before and this isn't something we can't overcome? She's dead!!!
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Yes, it's strange. The way he twists his wedding ring is strange too. It's not an unconscious tell, he knows he's doing it, it's a sort of defiant acting -- "I know you may take this as acting but I don't care, I want to do it."

As for when he'll preach, December 23 at his church. Torn between wanting to watch and wanting to look away.

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Anonymous said...

VERY good and thought provoking analysis above, Rosy and Sus. Excellent. ABB

Sus said...

ABB,
Cocaine is a possibility. But putting myself in DB's shoes, I don't think he'd let himself go there. Maybe, but I think he can rationalize to himself certain other drugs for attention and body building. His mind is twisted.

rosy said...

Anonymous Sus said...

... in my thinking, the gym comes into play. It's flagged in his language. Before Amanda died and as his alibi. It's popping up in his language a lot.
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A lot there. At this point I still suspend belief and like you tend toward double guilt burden theory. Might be wrong but I do still feel that he didn't kill Amanda, and I doubt he hired a killer. On the other hand he more or less acted out in his own church a violent fantasy of getting rid of her. As he saw it, his other option was to try to live out a ghastly travesty of Christian marriage with him as her lord and master and both of them competing over how much they were in love with Jesus and a crew of all-male glam preachers.

Christmas 2005, he was 20, his dad gave him as a memento gift, a hardbound copy of "The Princess Bride." A book his dad had loved reading to him when he was a little boy. He looks like a child. I keep thinking Amanda was married off to him, but it cuts both ways. He was married off to her like a star-struck child bridegroom. She had power of her own, he played catch-up in that department, and from then on he was in competition with her charisma.

Of course I'm making up a story here, a narrative that fits my own outlook. As do we all.

Princess Bride boredom
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502422246048&set=pb.141700116.-2207520000.1450651805.&type=3&theater

with Gavin
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502422226088&set=pb.141700116.-2207520000.1450651805.&type=3&theater

with Amanda
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502422216108&set=pb.141700116.-2207520000.1450651805.&type=3&theater

Maybe the last time he looked natural with a young woman:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=502422335868&set=pb.141700116.-2207520000.1450651805.&type=3&theater

Anonymous said...

You certainly could be right Sus. You're right also, no doubt his mind is twisted; drugs only makes it worse and actually could be the root cause or the continuation of the cause that already existed.

There usually is an underlying cause of drug usage that got the addict on the path to begin with; unless it was initially tried as a recreation drug. I've known of several who got addicted purely from snorting as a recreational fun drug initially, but cocaine is so highly addictive that the user got hooked, then addicted.

I do think Davey would go there however, just to what extent and what kind of drugs? Steroids, or other? I appreciate your response. ABB

Polo said...

Rosy, thank you for sharing the link about the loss of Vanessa and the kindness of all those students. Definitely a sad story, but what those children did reassures me there is hope for humankind.

Rob said...

My vote is for somehow involved.
DB doesn't even pretend to be unhappy about what happened. He takes it as a gift from God.

lynda said...

Anonymous said...
If perchance I am wrong,(slim chance); then he needs to be locked up and kept locked up as the dangerous 'crazy' is in his eyes.''

abb, the the word "perchance" does not make you sound smarter. Admitting you won't deviate from your projected analysis of drug addicts based on your son(s)addiction which you decided to cure on your own which, incidentally, contributed to his death-and with no time left to spare as he vacuumed and left the title to his car to you since you had no transportation. What did you feed him as a child that contributed to his "fairyness?'"

December 20, 2015 at 8:14 AM

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Hopefully a mod will catch up and delete this. What a filthy, reckless, coward you are ANON @ 8:14 am. I hope Peter blocks you. what you did was a full frontal vicious attack on a poster that had no redeeming qualities at all. Nor did it perpetuate the conversation about the Blackburn murder. Yuck. I wonder if you are who used to be called Louise? Haven't seen her around for a few days at all. Even if you're not..shut your mouth about other posters personal lives and definitely about their deceased children!
A better question to me is, why am I THE ONLY ONE disgusted by that post towards ABB????? Rise up people!

ABB: I know it! I asked numerous men/women of the cloth and they looked at me like I had been taken over by Satan himself. One said.."Well, it is GODS word. GOD was speaking to Paul directly. It's GODS word.. Now, I think that quite a few people are strictly fundamentalists where they believe the Bible, the Whole Bible is sacred, and the word of GOD. if it wasn't GODS word, it wouldn't be in the bible. These people also DO NOt believe that the "books" that comprise the Bible were put together by MAN. The council's at the time threw out MANY religious writings, some actually divinely inspired, to further their own agendas. GOD DOES NOT INTERFERE WITH THE FREE WILL OF MAN. The Bible as we know it, contain writings after the death of Christ that some king, pharoah, council, etc. wanted it to contain. So many actual teachings of Jesus and those prophets before him were destroyed or discarded. The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and Nag Hammadi codices opened up doors to so much more than we were ever taught! IF one has ears to hear. Many people I know dismiss those findings as not pertaining to Jesus at all because they are NOT in the bible and God wrote the bible, you get the drift. Amazing to me also that they don't see.

rosy said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
at 6:26 PM

I do think Davey would go there however, just to what extent and what kind of drugs? Steroids, or other?
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I guess I'm thinking more along the line of Adderall for concentration plus steroids for muscle.

"Adderall is prescribed in the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy. It is also used as an athletic performance and cognitive enhancer, and recreationally as an aphrodisiac and euphoriant."

Don't know how it interacts with steroids.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adderall

Girasol said...

rosy @ 4.54

this is great stuff to explore and you are really covering some new ground in probing DB mindset. It rings true to me that his "pastor on steroids" persona might reflect a compensation for the loss of sporting aspirations and the associated lack of a physical outlet and affirmation from peers. I will take my jock mentality and just transfer it on over here and hit homeruns for Jesus.

Also very insightful on the AB/DB relationship. I think you are getting to the heart of the dynamic - insecure DB attaching himself to a genuinely passionate (and enterprising) AB, reshaping himself literally and figuratively, in part to seek approval of male role models, attempting to "launch" this compensatory career, coming up against his limitations, marriage shaky, culture providing no way to deal with this or to channel the associated undercurrent of frustration.

added to another excellent insight @ 2.09 pm

where you got it absolutely right re: the "advice" video to Kenneth - floundering attempt to retain his sense of importance in the face of a growing realization of failure and irrelevance. It's not a particularly dramatic clip but very revealing. You are spot on - it is quite common - I have seen it in various sporting and professional contexts where older never-quite-made-its smother the young up-and-coming achievers with help and advice.

And again finally, you have a nice little twist on interpretation of DB media performance. He is super stressed out, but perhaps primarily from growing sense of failure (marriage, Resonate, etc) even prior to the murder. The murder has thrust him, in this already stressed state, into the public eye, which is somehow both adding more stress, but also gratifying to his ego and drawing out a strange kind of mock humility (Wow I have some kind of chance here to get things back on track here - recast as Levi Lusko) which all too easily blows out into the prophetic delusion in FILs church.

I can now almost add all this up and not need to invoke any direct involvement in the murder, not need an evil DB, just a pathetic, deeply repressed, self-centered and shallow individual who is making do with the limited psychological resources provided by his upbringing and personality. In a way, charting his mental demise seems interesting and informative regardless of any involvement with the actual murder.

Call me a fence sitter.

rosy said...

lynda said...

Anonymous said...
December 20, 2015 at 8:14 AM
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wow lynda that is cruel, OT, and out of context. Uncalled for.

Pioneer Bee said...

Lol,Anon "I". I am an empath and former Pentecostal Spiritualist and Spirit has assured me DB is going to be reckoned with,as he is spreading a false and contrary gospel. He will face judgment in both this life and the next and Amanda will be vindicated.

Along with heroin abuse, methamphetamine/adderal abuse is rampant here in Indy so drug use by DB isn't out of the realm of possibilities. In recent years, more of the abusers are white and middle class professionals who have been cut off of their pharmaceutical drugs of choice due to restrictions in prescriptions. Most black drug dealers sell crack not powder cocaine but also sell pills like adderal, Xanax, and OxyContin. Meth is usually used by whites but an earlier post mentioned someone affiliated with the kilt gang was arrested in Monroe counting for possession of amphetamine, most likely for sale to white clientele. Davey doesn't have meth mouth....yet...
Drug use would account for a retaliation murder if DB owed on drugs already consumed. Many of the daily murders here are drug related and between gang members,wannabes and those who are trapped in unsafe,poverty stricken neighborhoods, which is why this is so baffling to use DBs terminology.


I also thought the gym could have played a part in Treezy and DBs friendship after I scrolled through Treezy's fb pagesand saw that same post.

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Polo said...

Anon 10:31am: That was a short, powerful summary you posted. Your paragraphs, plus the coincidences make me want to think Davey did have involvement. Like all of us, I am still awaiting some concrete evidence, but you profiled the sad situation admirably. My biggest concern is that the others have not been persuaded to roll on him. Statistics support that with this many perpetrators, a weak link would be present, and the weak link would have rolled by now. I don't think Davey had anything to do with it primarily because of this reason and no evidence. I vote not involved.

rosy said...

Girasol said...
at 6:52 PM
Call me a fence sitter.
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Thanks for affirming and rounding out some of my intuitions. It's not Statement Analysis, some of it visual rather than language-based. I'm trying to feel my way into the personalities/characters. Y/day I read that the odds on a wife's murderer being her husband are 35%. That still leaves 65% against. He might be in a specific, rare segment of that 65% - a husband with a lot of reasons to want a fresh start, a lot of reasons barring that route, a lot of misbehavior, inflated sense of self, almost total carelessness over the safety of his home (which in fantasy he no longer wanted any part of).

The timeline, especially the convo in the driveway, bothers me a lot.

Polo said...

Lynda, I'm just catching up and I was appalled by dialog between Anon 8:14 and ABB. One of the things I like about this blog is that people are respectful and stay on point. Let's all try to keep it that way. Also, one can always apologize on a blog. Apologies can also be accepted on a blog.

Anonymous said...

If I were DB, I'd have a lawyer look into ABB aka anon 10:31 comment-here's a slanderous clip::

He needed a wife who could benefit his 'numbers' and caused her to fall in love with him deliberately, then hated sex with her and did not bother hiding this. WHY? He set her up in the first place because he is a sexual pervert no matter which way he swings; 69'er, little boys, other men and likely women too; whatever, he would 'take' her when the convenience suited him, but he preferred strutting his stuff for deviate sex with others and definitely not with the pure and lovely wife Amanda. For this, he brought her deep humiliation and shame.

Calling him a pedophile, pervert among other things without a shred of proof.

Anonymous said...

There will be no apologies. If anything, there will be some reporting of people threatening damages.

rosy said...

For comparison with Resonate, which abides by Perry Noble's ban on adopting "causes," here's a glimpse of activities by another North side church in Indianapolis
(I am not affiliated with any church)

The world comes to Nora — for Christmas

http://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/columnists/tim-swarens/2015/12/19/swarens-world-comes-nora-christmas/77553590/

Polo said...

Anon, I wasn't pointing fingers. My message is for all of us.

Anonymous said...

Early childhood sexual abuse. The victim, because so young and pre-verbal, has no choice but to internalize. The victim, in order to survive, must decide that it is the child (her/him), and not the parent, who is at fault. The mother who has zero respect for her daughter's boundaries/self, continues "raping" daughter in every way possible as daughter grows up. Mother makes it clear to daughter that daughter will have "no secrets" from mother. Daughter's self-esteem is poor, even though daughter has very high I.Q. and many talents and advantages. Daughter grow up and believes "All mothers hate their daughters." Mother relentlessly steals from daughter (she belongs to her) /reads daughter's diary, purposely leaving it out, and then always denying it. The lies are important. "You're crazy! I wouldn't read your diary!" and "I couldn't care less what you write in your diary!" Mother listening in on phone conversations between daughter and friends. Mother stealing house keys, and frequenting (without permission) daughter's home, when daughter is adult, and owns a home. Mother invading house mailbox of daughter when daughter is adult. "Identity Theft" from start of life, and all life long. Mother posing as daughter whenever seeking information or even with credit card companies. Creep mother establishing relationships with daughter's boyfriends and exhusband. Creep mother always trying to start fights, and asserting "We are just alike!" to daughter. Creep mother who thinks rape of young girls is sexy. Creep mother who thinks young girls are to be raped. Creep mother who thinks little girls are sexy. Fucking creep mother who thinks I was HERS, as in HER PROPERTY, to sexually play with when an infant, and then to abuse and rip off during my whole life.

Girasol said...

rosy @ 7.29

yes the timeline

I've never had an issue with the continuing conversation in the driveway as such - this seems plausible to me and something I might do. But...the whole timeline - home, gym, workout phone call, home etc.. in relation to perpetrator movements and 911 calls is incredibly tight, they seem to have cut it uncomfortably fine in relation to DB comings and goings.

You'd still think the gym timestamps/CCTV and phone records should give a clearer picture of this both on that day and of what was actually normal routine for DB...and this will be interesting if/when it emerges. I need to trawl back through earlier threads where someone posted a nice summary of all the available facts.

Also agree with other posters that some kind of drug angle is worth exploring, if only to explain some of the more intense/strange aspects of DB behaviour...But even for the murder, ome kind of drug-related reprisal is starting to seems much more likely to me than impulsive violence from DB or a hired hit.



Anonymous said...

Anon 7:51pm: Wow! Are you ok? What made you post that right now? Are you ok?

Polo said...

Girasol and Rosie: I vote for with the hired hit over drug-related reprisal. I believe it would have to have been a HUGE amount of money before that would happen. Also, I believe that gang members would pretend to like Davey, but in reality, they would think him a wuss, a sap and someone to be taken advantage of. These are some tough perpetrators, they would see through Davey in a New York minute. These aren't gullible people like the folks of Davy's church appear to be.

Anonymous said...

I think someone needs to look at these posts. Like LE!

Especially 7:51...it sounds more like a confession that a lifelong problem.

Wanting to be psychiatrist and only making it to hacker is revealing.

Anonymous said...

I'm okay, sorry. Not sure why I needed to post that just now. I'm fine. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

I'll pick a better forum. Sorry. I'm enraged about my recent realizations of early-childhood sexual abuse. Sorry for posting it here. I will find a more appropriate place.

rosy said...

Anonymous said...
at 9:29 AM
Ot......................maybe. this article may be the reason others on this blog are seeking to victimize the first rape victim in the AB case. demographic research to take over area. Cops who write back to tipsters like they were recruited from the 6th grade,and moronic christian leaders such as DB and friends.

news/call-6-investigators/rape-victims-indiana-is-failing

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I'm reading back through the timeline and just reached your post. Not OT at all. Thanks for this link.

Maggie said...

So sorry for what you've been through Anon at 7:51 - how awful! You have my sympathy. Your post made me cry. Hope you can get some help and support.

Anonymous said...

Reading through some of the Facebook rhetoric of the Indy gang bangers (gross!), I've noticed their disdain for white people trying to act like them. But I bet they wouldn't be above taking some of their cash for a hit.

rosy said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
at 7:51 PM
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Your being enraged by it is understandable. I hope and trust you're in a position to find a good therapist. Take care of yourself.

Anonymous said...

Thanks so much Maggie and Rosy. Wow, I really appreciate your comments. I had a feeling I could post about it here, the only place I know of where I can say it. I'll do some research to find other places.

Anonymous said...

...recent realizations of early-childhood sexual abuse"

I'd have to pull out a couple of nose hairs to shed a tear on that one.

Anonymous said...

Anon 8:38: Why? Because you don't think it's "sad" or because you don't believe it?

CJ said...

Anon at 8:34,

There is no reason to apologize, and thanks for your post.

Check out http://www.havoca.org/

Anonymous said...

Don't believe it!

Anonymous said...

Appx. dead center of that tear-jerker was this sentence:

The lies are important. ""

Yeah!

Anonymous said...

I didn't mean to change the conversation. I'm checking out, signing out, see you all later. Thanks for the link to that HAVOCA website, gotta go now. Thanks so much.

Anonymous said...

Anon @7:51, just scanning a few posts for a moment and ran across yours, don't have time right now to go back and catch up, but just wanted to say that I am SOOOo very sorry for what you have been thru. I sense how you must have suffered over a thing you did not cause and bear no responsibility for, and it breaks my heart for you.

It may take you a lifetime to put it all in perspective, or it may end when your mother is finally out of your life; either way, it WILL end and you will be free of the shame and pain at last. Always remember and let this stay with you; nothing is permanent; "this too shall pass."

You sound like such a lovely person; God bless and be with you. You don't need to run away, or be sorry for your post, there are people here who will genuinely care for you and the dear person you are. Ignore the cold nay-sayers. We understand, our heart is open to you Anon. xx00xx... ABB

GeekRad said...

Anon at 7:51, please calm down and please get help. Please, allow yourself the help. I think I know who you are, but regardless of who you are I hope you are ok.

Anonymous said...

Yikes, I just checked back in, and so sorry to see people still talking about my dumb post. I really appreciate your kind words, ABB, and GeekRad. I never meant to change the discussion here. I will deal with this. So thankful for everyone's replies. I'm fine, and I will seek help. You all are very kind.

Anonymous said...

the only sentence the writer even attempts to own any of the previous words:

Fucking creep mother who thinks I was HERS, as in HER PROPERTY, to sexually play with when an infant, and then to abuse and rip off during my whole life.

And "thinks" is suspect.

GeekRad said...

Yeah anon at 8:07. I think we know who 7:51 is. And I hope she gets help. Poor Peter and Heather have to decide if they act on her IP address.

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GeekRad said...

Please please please talk to someone close. I just made a not very nice post thinking you were someone else. Please accept my apology and take care of yourself,ok?

Sus said...

I will throw something out that I feel real crazy doing. Since it has been mentioned I will, though.

I have sat through conferences with parents on meth. I have met in the homes of my students when their parents were obviously on meth. My best friend's son is serving 40 years in prison for murder while tweeking...from meth.

So here goes. In one of the interviews with DB, I immediately thought, "My God, meth." Then I talked myself out of it.

One side of his mouth drooped as he talked. He had a sore. He was rambling. His eyes were as wide as could be. He was waving his hands nonsensically.

I'm not even sticking with this one, but I wondered if anyone else got that impression. I then figured it made more sense for him to be using amphetamines like adderal.

Pak31 said...

I think anon 8:14 arms post was cruel but I also think ABBs post are vicious. Why can't we all talk like mature adults instead of name callers and angry haters? I'm seriously getting turned off by this. Let's all grow up. That being said I feel DB is guilty in some way. I need more evidence but how can someone be so unemotional? Was the whole marriage a sham?

rosy said...

Anonymous Sus said...
at 9:27 PM

In one of the interviews with DB, I immediately thought, "My God, meth." Then I talked myself out of it.

One side of his mouth drooped as he talked. He had a sore. He was rambling. His eyes were as wide as could be. He was waving his hands nonsensically.

I'm not even sticking with this one, but I wondered if anyone else got that impression. I then figured it made more sense for him to be using amphetamines like adderal.
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Sus, do you recall which video?

I guess we know from the former mayor of Toronto that occasional meth use won't make a person skeletal or toothless overnight, but it would be a risky step.

Anonymous said...

Cruel and vicious-what a team they make.

Seek Justice said...


This is my first time posting. I have been following this case and this blog and comments from practically the beginning.
One thing I think is worth a re-watch and considering is in the Worship as a Weapon sermon. If you look at it as a signal and/or leakage there are some interesting things in it. Obviously, brandishing a gun and shooting at someone, but at about the 12:30 mark he talks about worries people have and picks two seemingly random names for examples. He uses "Mary" and "Taylor." MARY TAYLOR. LARRY TAYLOR.
I remember a couple days ago a poster noted the use of the name Taylor but I don't recall anyone discussing both names.
Here is what I want to know, were any of the following people - Bull/Donae, Treezy, Ryan McConnel or Meg Griffin in the audience that day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWKlb_1U24

Anonymous said...

GeekRad, okay I will. ABB you are so kind and you clearly understand!! Thanks so much!!

rosy said...

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Sus,

if meth was in the picture another factor would be sexual activity. He wouldn't do it for the high alone.

Sus said...

Ok Rosy,,
I hope I do this right. I don't think this is the interview that made me think it. I'll keep looking. But his mouth droops here. If I get time, I'm going to check if he sways on stage in the q and a vids. If I can stand to watch them again.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrWBlMAA0wA

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Kate said...

Davey states in first started teaching @ North Central High School. He says he then got an opportunity to go sub full time at Eastwood Middle School. I know it was mentioned he subbed at the middle school, but didn't know he subbed at the high school as well. He confirms it in the video ForIndy Week 4 Invite.

Kate said...

*HE

Sus said...

I've been on this blog for years. I hope you don't mind if I give a bit of advice. I hope Peter doesn't. He will delete it if he does mind.

Peter always asks that we ignore those stirring up trouble. They want attention. Don't give it and they go away.

I find that positive reinforcement still works after all these years. I choose to talk only to those who can speak nicely.

Last, maybe if some of you would change what you are here for it would help. I try to keep in mind I'm not here to prove one thing or another. I'm not here to be right. I'm wrong an awful lot. I'm here to follow the language and see where it takes me. That may be many curves and even reverses.

I'll start. I'm backing off meth use by DB. Too far fetched. I'm still thinking he may use amphetamines and steroids, though. And Treezy may be his seller.

Maggie said...

Kate -
The school connection - Another amazing coincidence no!?

Sus -
That Treezy was his seller makes a lot of sense. Maybe Treezy is the string puller? Too tired to think anymore abut the multiple connections.

Bobcat said...

I have thought of this since the first time Davey came into my view: The first time I met a married couple, the husband set off my gaydar like a Kmart Blue Light Special. Three separate times that evening, he told the group "I love my wife!" I felt bad for the wife, because she was a 10, a brilliant physical and intellectual woman who kept herself in top shape ... yet I knew she would NEVER satisfy her husband.

Q: How does self-denial of sexual orientation manifest as deception?

Kate said...

Maggie, exactly! I just got done clipping a piece where Pastor Davey is talking about "coincidences".

I also paused it when he was talking about sex and acknowledged his mom and dad were in the audience. Bleeeechhhh. Was a good time to check on my gingerbread man cookies :)

GeekRad said...

Sus, I think drugs too. We, my husband and I, have two sets of friends with drug addict adult children. So, SA friends, why did I say We? Because my husband figured it long before I ever did. He gets credit for the smart, I agree so we are we. I love SA😊

GeekRad said...

Me too anon at 10:51. Afraid for her.

Sus said...

Wow Bobcat,
That's a great question. If it is self-denial, you don't know you are lying. Then it cannot possibly show up as deception in your language.

I believe it is the same with most anything to do with a malignant narcissist. He creates a false persona. But that persona is true to the narcissist. No matter what everyone else sees, the narcissist sees himself as that false persona he has built. It is truth to him. Deception should not show up in his statements EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT TRUE.

Back to the gay person in self-denial. Some sexual attraction could happen that forces them out of denial. Then I would think it would show up in their language as deception.

With the narcissist that never happens. When the outside actions don't agree with their false persona, they blame the external. They may have a short time of psychotic break, but then they set about controlling the external again. In other words, they do not change how they are. They manipulate, sneak, lie, cheat, anything they can to make certain the world views them as they see themself.

They may even get rid of the one who doesn't see them as they are, their false persona. That is what has me still questioning Davey Blackburn. He seemed to be at that breaking point in October.

lynda said...

If Davey is taking Adderall and he is NOT ADHD, it just acts as speed and is soooo prevalent and easy to get as everyone knows some kid that is on it for ADD. I was surprised to hear a conversation between a group of 18-20 year old college students that talk of taking it to focus and pull all nighters for exams. They're popping them like M & M's. When I said, "You know, that's speed, you can cause all sorts of health problems, you could actually DIE if you overdosed,speed is ADDICTIVE.. it's SPEED..they looked at me like I was a lunatic. They said everyone does it, its not like you're a "druggie", rationalizing...they like the weight loss and sleeplessness that comes with it, it's so alarming to me. The girls were all white, upper middle class and frankly, didn't care what anyone thought. Just from my background, if I had to guess, I would say Adderall for Davey. I don't think he is snorting, definitely not meth, and steroids? I just don't think so. He's a speeder, not a roid rager IMO.
From what I've seen with Alonzo and cohorts...they deal in weed and percs. There was a post on Alonzo's FB from wayback that showed a pic of him and a buddy and they were "twacked" out, meaning they used so much meth they were beyond just "tweeking". If police are watching,They openly say they're holding and trafficking.

lynda said...

Kate said...
Davey states in first started teaching @ North Central High School. He says he then got an opportunity to go sub full time at Eastwood Middle School. I know it was mentioned he subbed at the middle school, but didn't know he subbed at the high school as well. He confirms it in the video ForIndy Week 4 Invite.

December 20, 2015 at 11:00 PM

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Well, we know Alonzo Bell went to North Central High, whether or not they were ever FB friends doesn't matter, there is a connection right there, right? There ARE connections, threads. LE has to start pulling on those threads and see what happens. I fear they may not tho.

rosy said...

Anonymous Sus said...
at 11:03 PM
I'll start. I'm backing off meth use by DB. Too far fetched. I'm still thinking he may use amphetamines and steroids, though. And Treezy may be his seller.

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Sus, re the video with the FOX guy. DB may have been tired, short of sleep, for that interview. His father in law PB stated in one of his church tapes that he and a friend were asked to travel to S. Carolina for national media i/views early the next morning. The interviews were set up by Perry Noble's staff (why they let Noble handle them this way is another question). He said they drove overnight from Elkhart and had only 2 and half hours sleep. He made a mild joke about how they prayed that this would feel like 5 hours. He said he woke up feeling surprisingly fresh, awake for the interview (in his case with a local Indy FOX reporter who had flown down for the occasion). Maybe Davey was sleep-deprived too and drank extra strong coffee?

Comparing the Davey i/view with a video he did in Feb 2015 it strikes me that the main affect every time is obliviousness to his own obnoxiousness. Don't know how else to put it. His communication (and management) skills are horrendously out of synch with his self-conviction. The Feb video is one in which he springs from praise the Lord at 16 salvations to disappointment over attendance, then says "we cannot control people showing up, God controls that. He draws people as he wants to draw people..."

This was unawareness to the point of LUNACY. Hidden away in a maze of parking lots at the middle school, with one service a week, who knew they were there? God? If attendance numbers were what DB wanted, then it was up to him to find an affordable way to make the church visible to some passing traffic.

In this February video Davey already thinks God talks to him (through the page to which his bible chances to open). He laughs about it, but it's already there as a self-aggrandizing superstition. I don't think this was the influence of any controlled substance. It was his personality after molding by Perry N.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucbHB3lCY5E



rosy said...

Sus said....
at 11:59 PM

to the gay person in self-denial ... sexual attraction could happen that forces them out of denial. Then I would think it would show up in their language as deception.

With the narcissist that never happens. When the outside actions don't agree with their false persona, they blame the external. They may have a short time of psychotic break, but then they set about controlling the external again. In other words, they do not change how they are.
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For Davey the external is GOD. When attendance doesn't match expectations and disappoints all the efforts expended expressly to increase attendance, then who's responsible? Who's accountable?

"We cannot control people showing up, God controls that. He draws people as he wants to draw people..." Davey controls the external by attributing everything that falls short of expectations to God's will.

Does he do this any differently than for centuries other Christians (and people of other religious faiths) have done? Any differently, say, than the Mayflower pilgrims when they planted crops and saw them fail?

I do think he goes a bit off the standard Christian track. He does not start out by believing, this church will increase if it God's will. He starts out from the absolute, we want numbers. When numbers disappoint, he puts a fence around possible realistic options for improving that situation.

That fence, it may be, has to do with his own circle of fears. For some reason, school auditoriums were his comfort zone, even if a poor choice for attracting a larger congregation. They represented some type of shelter to him, half-hidden places, away from the main drag, the twon square, "public haunt" of adult men and women. Yet there, under those purple lights, he put on his cabaret.

Kate said...

Linda said:
Well, we know Alonzo Bell went to North Central High, whether or not they were ever FB friends doesn't matter, there is a connection right there, right? There ARE connections, threads. LE has to start pulling on those threads and see what happens. I fear they may not tho.

December 21, 2015 at 12:13 AM
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The amount of coincidences are so many that if someone were making a list, it would be mighty long. I share your same fear, with each passing day.

elf said...

Lol @ your theory of the cocaine user symptoms, abb. People on coke don't 'make' their eyes all wide open, it happens because of the drug and when someone is on coke they speak faster because the drug makes them go faster. This includes blinking faster, being jittery/fidgety. It's called speed for a reason.

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rosy said...

I guess what bothers me in Davey's attitude toward God's control is this, he seems not to know the Serenity prayer:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things I can,
And the wisdom to know the difference.

I feel it may be unfair to criticize someone who's barely 30 years old for lack of wisdom. I also believe that no one under 30 should be sent out to run their own church.

Anonymous said...

OMG this blog came to mind when I heard Steve Harvey's speech after his Miss Universe blunder.

After he corrects it he says Please don't hold it against the ladies. WE feel really badly. What a perfect example of distancing yourself! BC

http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/12/miss-universe-2015-steve-harvey-wrong-name/

Kate said...

Davey receives quite a bit of air time from wishtv for his "forindy" project (this was prior to Amanda's death). As others have stated before, Davey had an in with the news/media. I just didn't realize how far in he was. It is remarkable that a church received that much air time on a news program.

lynda said...

Has it been discussed on Bells FB, Nov. 24 post from James Spaulding? Check it out, then click on James Spaulding and go down to his conversation on Nov. 24th where he and "Michelle Suckafree Pugh" openly discuss the Blackburn case and Jalen watson. Interesting

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:51 and 9:15 used "Creep mother" and "I" the same amount of times.

M said...

Lynda - I think you meant "Bulls" not "Bells".

I don't know how you decipher all of those posts. It's like a foreign language.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
OMG this blog came to mind when I heard Steve Harvey's speech after his Miss Universe blunder.

After he corrects it he says Please don't hold it against the ladies. WE feel really badly. What a perfect example of distancing yourself! BC

http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/12/miss-universe-2015-steve-harvey-wrong-name/
December 21, 2015 at 1:51 AM

Someone is paying attention.

Peter

Karl said...

Why does a comment with a couple of opinions get deleted almost immediately but direct threats toward other posters do not? My opinions weren't nearly as severe as some that don't get deleted.

Peter Hyatt said...

Karl,

No comments have been deleted by us in the past few days...

everyone was off for the weekend.

Peter

lynda said...

M..yes I meant Bull, not Bell! lol

I had to interpret with the help of urbandictionary.com haha

Anyway, the jist was that James Spaulding first told Bull on FB to not let people get him down.
Then on his page with the conversation with Michelle. He was saying that he didn't really know Taylor and Jalen and him were just starting to be cool with each other again after a year. Something must have happened where they were not speaking for awhile. He also lamented that Jalen was trying to "turn his life around." They weren't mentioning his name at first but then they finally did and said Jalen. michelle said that she was not cool with this home invasion stuff and that Jalen was a good kid that hooked up with the wrong guy and now look at the mess they're in. She called them wanna be gangstas.

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous said...
Yesterday, as I said before-Dec. 20th.

Thank you
December 21, 2015 at 10:32 AM


last time, as I said before:

Which post. There are hundreds of posts.

Specify the threat, the author, the time and which post it may be found upon so that it can be deleted.

lynda said...

Davey's tweet for today...at least this scripture implies that at some point he MAY have been mourning. I think he's preparing for his big xmas sermon this week. Davey's back!


daveyblackburn
‏@daveyblackburn
"You have turned for me my mourning into dancing; you have loosed my sackcloth and clothed me with gladness," Ps. 30:11 . . . Believing

M said...

Lynda - You are bilingual! lol

lynda said...

somebody could make millions creating an app that translated ghetto speak.

Suri - How do you say, "I have to save my money for other things besides drugs and women.

SUri - This N**** is stackin for ME, not pack and hoes.


Sus said...

You almost have it, Lynda. Pugh is actually one of the original Kilt. She is family to Treley Kidd and Diano Gordon.

She was accusing Watson of talking and James Spaulding of standing with him. I don't know how she got Watson was the one talking. It is obvious her nephew, Gordon is. Notice Spauling backed off real quick. He has no dogs in the fight. Haha.

Sus said...

I should add...that's the way I interpret it. :-)
You will find Pugh commenting a lot on her family's pages, anything to support Gordon and Kidd.

Karl said...

I don't see the threatening posts now. Many have been deleted since I last looked. I don't remember who made the threats but they had to do with computer attacks if someone didn't back off with their comments.

Sus said...

Speaking of...
According to Treezy Jones' mother he got out of the hospital this weekend. She posted pics of his bday cake. They were celebrating his 24th late. She also posted a pic of him "working his arms" at hospital therapy. He's in a wheelchair. Don't know if that's permanent. Interesting she said, "working his arms."

And wait for it...his mother says he is turning his life around from this experience. (Being shot five times.) He plans to work with troubled youth.

Now, on his page where he does all his hood talk, sounds like those aren't his plans. He says his right hand man set him up. For a robbery?? Wonder what he was robbed of?? And that his Mayfield boys want to take care of his "little situation." But he thinks he'll ride with an extended 45 to take care of it.

I'd sure like to figure out who jumped Treezy. Especially since it was October. He is connected to DB. And DB was getting highly agitated at that time.

Pak31 said...

@anonymous 12:45, the original post was deleted I think, so why would you put it back in the comments? Now it has to be deleted again. I find the post repulsive. I would never dare talk to another person in such a vile manner. Just awful. Hope this copy gets deleted quickly.

Anonymous said...

Pak31......

I posted it because Peter was asking for which post it was specifically. I saw it was deleted after I posted. I think it was an unnecessary post also, which is why I wanted Peter to see the specific post. I did not post it for it to be "put back in the comments".

Anonymous said...

New post is up on SA ! - title is "For Us, We Have Nothing To Hide !"

What a nice gift for us on Monday morning - thank you Peter !

flightfulbird

Pak31 said...

@anon 1:25. I know your intention was to help Peter. I don't want you to think I'm mad at you or anything. I know you posted it for reference but by doing that it put it back into the comments once again. That's all I meant. Sorry I freaked out a little bit. Lol.

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