They have no association with the investigation and have only gleaned the information from media.
They relied upon Statement Analysis, Behavioral Analysis, and their own extensive experience in investigating homicides, as well as home invasions.
This is a short consensus of their opinion and what they think happened. It is a narrative of opinion.
All parties are innocent until proven guilty, including those in custody now. Police have stated that they knew, "100%" (from media) that the husband of the victim was not the shooter. Suspects are in custody in the murder. This represents private opinions on the publicly stated quotes and information.
Picture a needle with -10 to the left, 0 in the center, and + 10 to the right. 0 is neutral, while moving negative to the left, indicates potential guilt of the husband, while moving to the right suggests innocence of the husband.
1. Statistics
Most homicides involving pregnant women prove out to show involvement by the man close to her and the pregnancy, including husband, ex husband, estranged husband, or boyfriend.
Jealousy can enter such cases and lead to violence.
Some shaken baby victims, for example, were killed by the non-biological husband, who resented the child that he did not father. In this case, it is not known if there was infidelity on the part of the victim, but there was nothing in the statements to suggest anything but the husband being the father of the unborn child.
That the number one suspect in the murder of pregnant women is a statistic not ignored by the investigators and all felt this was important to be open to.
2. Relationship Quality
In domestic homicides, the quality of the relationship is always 'front and center' in the investigation. Since husband/boyfriends are the most likely responsible, investigators ask if there was a history of marital discord. If so, the percentages move in the specific direction of the earlier statistic.
In this case we are told by both the victim and the husband that the marital relationship was in turmoil to the point of separation, and with specific elements.
In domestic homicides, the husband is first viewed, and then the quality of the relationship is viewed, but investigators then look for something specific to happen to cause the violence: this is a "trigger." When a stressor or trigger is found, it also moves the statistical needle to move.
3. Trigger
A 'trigger' or a 'stressor' is something that pushes the relationship to the level where violence goes from thought to action; a stressor is sought to be identified by investigators. Many times the stressor is infidelity. This becomes an underlying anger that suppressed, can eventually surface against the child (shaken baby syndrome above) where the 'cuckolded' husband is saddled with a constant living breathing reminder of his wife's infidelity. It may be worse if the child is a boy and looks like the biological father. Infidelity on either part can be a trigger. If the husband has a new love interest, it could be a trigger in the bad relationship, just as if the wife has been unfaithful to him.
Other triggers can include sudden loss of job, change of job, loss of support, death in the family, pregnancy, and so on. Investigators seek to learn if something within the relationship has changed making a bad relationship now worse.
In this case, the investigators conclusively pointed to the husband's own identification of the trigger: pregnancy. The husband specifically named the pregnancy as the stressor or trigger that made the relationship disruption, though the wife identified the husband's career as the source of discord.
All recognized the acute obsession the husband had with his work as well as the distancing language between him and the victim as extreme. The initial statement as well as the consistent distancing language shown towards the victim confirmed the husband's and victim's assertions about the marital discord.
4. Behavioral Analysis
All investigators were bothered by the following points of the case:
a. The timing of the home invasion
b. The element of violence in the home invasion
c. The patterns of behavior by the husband
That each Tuesday he not only went to the gym at the same time, but always had the same pone call, at the same time on the very date of the home invasion robbery.
That on this particular date, the husband stayed out of the home for a full 40 minutes while his wife lay dying stood out, in particular, as 'taking the coincidence too far' for reason, to the investigators.
Although the showing off of a gun in a 'sermon' stood out, powerfully, as a revelation of what was on his mind, just days before the murder, it was the additional and apparently unnecessary delay, in the driveway, that no investigator could dismiss. They stated that they would need to learn that this, too, was his pattern, to reduce the suspicion based upon coincidence.
All were also confronted with the husband's lack of fear of the uncaught killers, as if he had confidence that he could not possibly be the next target.
All attempted to 'explain away' any of these points, to justify innocence. Each attempt, including examining religious language, did not suffice. That there was no call for justice was bothersome, but not so much as having a home invaded and a wife murdered: he had no fear. This coupled with not only distancing language, but was taken with the drive for the career, all stood out as behavior suggesting knowledge of the crime.
5. Intelligence of Husband
This was another universal point: he is well above average intelligence and would not have been so foolish as to hire a hitman.
They stated that if he orchestrated the opportunity for the crime, he used this intelligence.
All expressed concern about local law enforcement training and/or ability to conduct a thorough interview with the husband, due to his mastery of language and intellect. They stated that a highly skilled interviewer was needed and most expressed some concern of local unwillingness to utilize federal assistance in interviewing.
The intelligence was noted in the publishing and commercializing of the murder; he knew how to present himself and attempt to utilize the death for the future salesmanship, including calling the murder a "story" and "event." It was also noted that in his attempt to gain authority over others, he revealed himself in the 'shower' statement, which should stand very strongly to investigators in how to strategize the interview: they must use his intelligence to get him to reveal the truth.
6. A Powerful Secret
All stated that the analysis of the 'hidden secret lie' was likely sexuality. This was affirmed by:;
a. The mentor's statement about "something very wrong" in which a female would rectify
b. The "shower" statement, which they concluded not only an association with the psychological need for cleansing.
c. His mentor's own wording: while avoiding speaking of Christ's Resurrection and specific details of the victim's own life and love of Christ, the mentor spoke in sexual terms about the physical attributes of the husband indicating that sex was on the speaker's mind.
d. The videos. They stated that the videos showed not only one who frequently spoke about sex, but seemed to have a need to persuade his audience of his sex drive...for women. Examples cited included the reference to the gym, his depersonalizing of the victim in his 'we have to have sex before dinner' statement, as well as his deliberate choreographing for the audience, including clothing, bearing and appearance.
That one would 'live a lie' is associated with continual stress and ongoing resentment, which can build over time, and be pushed to action by a stressor or 'trigger' event. The lie, if true, that is lived, is one in which bitterness never goes away, even during happier times and can grow with time.
If the victim knew of this secret, a sense of impotence could come over the liar, himself, and build resentment, fearful of exposure at any time, with the sense of living in a marriage of "blackmail", even unspoken, while being silently coerced into submission, lest 'she tell.'
This can lead to great fear of not only exposure, but fear of divorce.
A divorce would cripple his career and was not an option.
The last portion of deep embittered feelings in living a lie is the thought that happiness or contentment may 'exist with another', only increasing resentment of the victim, over time.
This was something heavily discussed in light of the distancing language he used. The language of distance was consistent with resentment.
The 'correction' of language was noted: whether he or advisors read the analysis, there were changes made after analysis was posted.
It was also noted, though not heavily, that the distancing language with his son (and pre born murdered child) was consistent with one 'living a lie in life', full time. Each point continues to push the needle in the negative, lower and lower.
7. Home Invasions
All pointed to the crime scene as having elements of possible staging, if, for example, she was not sexually assaulted. In cases where the clothing is removed without sexual assault, the perpetrator may have done this for the appearance of sexual assault.
Other elements noted included the unlocked door combining with the routine of the gym, and the phone call, coupled with what is known about home invasions: most seek to go in and out quickly, undetected, and want either items to quickly pawn, or cash, which would suggest prior knowledge of the home (drug dealers have cash, for example) but home invasions do not always have such violence, and if met with resistance, the violence is generally not associated with the removal of clothing.
Questions that arose include if these same perpetrators committed violence in other robberies, and if so, what was the nature of the violence, and what was the result of the violence, warranting answers.
Conclusion
The investigators all stated that the nature of the case pointed to anything but random. The details all point to orchestration.
What was asked was to consider this possible scenario:
That if the husband is involved, he would have used his intellect to orchestrate it, and would not have simply sought out a killer to be easily traced.
He would have had contact with members higher up in the gang, through schools, or the church, who would hear an opportunity that included a severe complaint against the wife. They would be able to send low level criminals to the right neighborhood, and to the right home, at the right time, where not only would the husband not be home, but the door would be unlocked, there would be items easily available for theft and pawning, while a 'hated woman' would be alone, hinting, but not stating, that life would be far better without her.
Understanding that someone was willing to allow his home to be vandalized was enough of an invitation. With complaints about the wife, especially the sexual complaints (which included public statements) would be enough 'hint' to let a gang know where an easy robbery would result and young gang's ruthlessness (dedication to the gang) could be tested.
That the husband remained on the driveway for 40 minutes instead of taking the call inside the house upon his arrival stands out as 'all too much' to be a coincidence. It is not known, but apparently possible, that had he gone in 40 minutes earlier, that the stopping of the bleeding, or hinderance of it, may have saved her life.
As they stated, everything taken together suggests orchestration of this crime. The details each fall into place and given his intelligence, he would have 'suggested' a good place for a gang to hit, giving the address, date and time.
They needed to hear motive. They did.
They needed to have:
1. The statistics of who does this
2. The marital relationship weighed in the negative
3. The presence of a stressor or trigger taking a negative further
4. The Behavior of the husband immediately after the murder
5. Examined the husband's intellectual ability to pull this off
6. A Secret, but powerful lie that is lived evidenced
7. Home invasions examined and factored in
They factored all of these in, with all fulfilled.
Theories
Most theories in a homicide are presented for debate; while other theories present themselves over time.
This is the latter.
All these elements factored in to produce a theory that they felt would be difficult to disprove in order to be comfortable professionally.
Some theories are presented and then examined. In this case, the theory developed naturally, with the post crime statements and behavior.
When a theory is developed naturally, we attempt to 'punch holes' in it, attempting to disprove it. They found the 'needle' consistently pushing to the left, unable to make strong arguments to the contrary.
Police, thus far, appear satisfied that they have solved the crime and that the husband is not involved.
There are those who do not have access to the information police have suspect the husband's involvement.
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«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 1801 Newer› Newest»Rosy, I just saw that too! WOW! Is he there to make sure this revival of epic proportions does happen? SO curious how many peeps came and what was said at the service?
It was actually a stupid statement to make; "you are not as smart as you think you are..." No kidding!!!! This doesn't mean c'rap. NO criminal is smart. ABB
Bingo3 @ 12:45. I totally agree. We are not being made fools of. I think you'd be foolish to believe that what LE is saying to the public is carved or etched in stone. Why are they being so adamant about it? I guess we could sit and do what ifs all day long but I certainly wouldn't say that just because LE says they are not pursuing DB that means it will never happen. If they really want him to believe they aren't looking at him then they WOULD say things like this and they most certainly aren't going to tell some random person sending an email that "oh yea, we think he might be involved but don't tell anyone". Hey, it could go either way. I guess all we can do is just hope that some day soon the truth about what really happened comes out. If DB is totally innocent that's fine with me, he will just remain an oddball to me and I will find it sad that AB didn't have a husband that showed love and respect for her in life and in death. I just hope we can get answers to our many questions.
ABB@ 1:00. Unless they were secretly aiming that phrase to a specific person such as DB for example. I'm not saying they were and I agree with you that they probably were not. But I could see police doing that. But then if they really were aiming it at him you'd think they'd be pursuing him more than it appears. You are right that no criminal is smart but there have been many cases where spouses have killed each other and they truly felt like they did everything they could possibly do to not have the crime traced back to them. There are different kinds of criminals. There are the type like these thugs who are arrested for Amanda's murder. They did nothing to conceal their identities really. They boldly walked around a neighborhood randomly walking up to and into homes not knowing if someone was home or not. To me this is a dumb criminal. They don't put hours and days and weeks of thought into their crimes. They have no fear. There are people though who methodically plan a crime and feel that they are so GOOD at that planning that they will never get caught. I feel like THIS is the type of criminal that LE was aiming their statement to because these three didn't act like they were good at all.
Pak, I agree wholeheartedly that the three thrugs are collectively as dumb as a box of rocks ... I just don't think the thugs realize how stupid they are, which is often the case with the many dumb criminals who think they can outsmart the cops.
Bad Juju said (snipped for space)....Davey Blackburn didn't need to be found. They knew exactly where he was.
(I would transcribe it, but it's too difficult on my tablet, and my son is using the computer right now.)
I know people really, really want that statement to have been directed at Davey Blackburn, but when you put it in context of what the major was talking about, that seems like wishful thinking.
January 17, 2016 at 11:06 AM
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I agree with you 100% on this point, that statement was never aimed at Davey Blackburn. I didn't use the above to come to this conclusion, but rather the fact that they made a strong point to clear Davey Blackburn, why would they then contradict that statement? Wouldn't make a bit of sense.
So why did they say it? Rounding up these three had to have been some of the easiest police work they've done. They had at least 3 different surveillance vids to view, had a "picture" of the murderer, the get-away vehicle, eyewitnesses, bank transactions, atm receipts, dna all over the place.... I guess the better question may be, what took so long to arrest them? If one removes Davey Blackburn from the picture completely, it looks like a no-brainer, an open and shut case. Why did they say law enforcement has been going with little to no sleep to crack this case? I am not dissing le, I have friends/family/neighbor's who are law enforcement and have the highest respect for anyone who works in le these days, but we can't omit le and pretend that those press conferences they had were the "norm". I found both press conferences to be bizarre as heck, especially now looking back, it makes even less sense. That's not to say le gave Davey a free pass, just hoping someone can make sense of all of this because I sure as heck can't, even if I remove Davey completely.
If either one of you have any evidence that LE investigated or has EVER investigated Davey Blackburn; BRING IT. Such as? The fact IS, you don't.
Because there ISN'T any. ABB
Pajama Pages made an interesting comment on twitter! He predicts that Perry will make Resonate another New Spring campus where Perry will preach via satellite and DB just the campus leasder not a preacher. Hmmmm. We will see.
Where does the info come from that the dog was in a cage? I've only seen that here ... along with a bunch of other unsubstantiated rumors, so I'd like to see an official source on that one.
I would imagine that if the dog was loose in the house when the thugs arrived, and the dog was acting protective/aggressive, they would threaten to shoot it if Amanda didn't contain it. At that point, perhaps she put it in its kennel or closed it into a room and told it to hush. An obedient dog will hush when told to do so.
I would also imagine that the gunshots and other commotion would cause the dog to bark ... whether it would bark on and on or only bark until the house became quiet is impossible to say. However, Amanda was shot three times, but only one neighbor ... ONE ... reported hearing gunshots. Why are so many people convinced the neighbors would have heard the dog barking? Gunshots are waaayyy louder than barking.
Sometimes a frightened dog is a silent dog. Nobody here knows anything about that dog's personality, either.
(And yes, I do have experience with a very protective dog who never left my side.)
Bingo @ 1:40,
Yes, I can see Resonate surviving, but DB being in a more 'contained' role, if still involved at all. The church doesn't need DB to survive. The biggest thing in DB's corner is gone now, anyway...
Badjuju,
I can imagine a few options with the dog:
1) It was used to being around 'odd' men i.e. DB and had been trained to stay quiet even when instinct was saying something was wrong. Then it might have stayed quiet IF it was in the cage/home during the attack.
2) The dog was in the car with DB that morning, in which case it's another big push on the needle to the left. DB knew what was going down and that the dog had to be out of the house.
3) The dog was drugged, but recovered enough to greet the detectives when they arrived.
4) The dog was the friendliest dog ever, never barked, and couldn't tell good guys from bad guys???????
I really can't say what pn's agenda is, but maybe it will come to light when the video is posted in a few days. I'd imagine he was more careful with his words than db is though. As far as le goes, I don't disagree with you ABB. I do still have the smallest glimmer of hope that le is still looking at db for this and we just don't know it. I realize they did not take ab's journals or db's computer that we know of, but perhaps that was not needed if they had other evidence such as a witness statements. I know it's not likely but one can hope. Does anyone recall a statement by pn in db's favor since the demand for an apology from Megyn kelly. I don't recall anything from him on the matter since then which again just seems so odd and out of character for him. Everyone dropping the story so quickly knowing there's still suspicion out there and not addressing it makes me wonder.
Pak31 @ 1:19 PM Jan. 17 said...
"There are different kinds of criminals. There are the type like these thugs who are arrested for Amanda's murder. They did nothing to conceal their identities really. They boldly walked around a neighborhood randomly walking up to and into homes not knowing if someone was home or not. To me this is a dumb criminal. They don't put hours and days and weeks of thought into their crimes. They have no fear. There are people though who methodically plan a crime and feel that they are so GOOD at that planning that they will never get caught. I feel like THIS is the type of criminal that LE was aiming their statement to because these three didn't act like they were good at all."
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You made an excellent point! Good job comparing and contrasting the two! I agree with your last two statement here completely. Now whether the LE statement "You're not as good as you think you are." is directed toward Alonzo Bull (or some higher up gang member) or Davey Blackburn I have no idea- it remains to be seen. I'm willing to contend that Davey Blackburn had nothing to do with Amanda's murder and he's just a poor excuse for a husband, father, son, son-in-law, brother-in-law, friend, and "pastor-communicator".
However, I don't believe he's as religiously zealous (as opposed to sincerely held religious beliefs) as he's portraying himself to be though, given that he never takes possession of God as HIS God or Jesus as HIS Lord (he's always careful to say OUR). He continually employs distancing language, using various Bible verses and phrases about God helping and comforting "those" who mourn; it's never his personal experience with God. All of his promotional videos for Resonate are other people's stories. He uses Amanda and her journal the same way to promote Resonate. That's why the Salvation count always leads off to "Resonators" and always links back to "@resonateindy". He's selling Resonate, the church, to shareholders who buy in with their tithes...essentially he's "selling" salvation. He will do "Whatever it takes." and we should believe him when he repeatedly tells us so and his followers mindlessly chant it in their Twitter hashtags and post it proudly on their Facebook and Instagram posts.
A sincere Christian would be celebrating the salvation of even one and wouldn't care if it happened at their own church or on a street corner/back alley/ER/somebody's living room. Their whole FOR INDY campaign was nothing but a massive promotion for Resonate, the Church ,to bring in numbers. The disciples didn't run ahead of Jesus announcing all the things He or they were doing for the people. Sincere Christians are motivated by love for the person and people and act on it, not personal fame or money or a specific church- they have no need to announce their deeds.
JuJu, I have to disagree with you on the dog. My dad had a boxer and that dog would not let me in the house. He got in attack mode if you came near my dad. We had to let him in the backyard for anyone to enter the house. Doggy was locked up or with Davey.
If either one of you have any evidence that LE investigated or has EVER investigated Davey Blackburn; BRING IT. Such as? The fact IS, you don't.
Because there ISN'T any. ABB
January 17, 2016 at 1:35 PM
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You may find this interesting ABB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGt9PQxu3kM
Sorry, wrong link. Here it is http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/impd-officer-accused-of-dealing-cocaine
Kate, I watched video but I'm not seeing connection. Was the officer involved in Blackburn case?
ABB, I have no evidence that le investigated db. The case is far from cold though, and obviously there's some new information coming in based on the recent charges against dg. With no evidence that le is investigating db and with them literally telling people he is not a suspect, I agree the hope that this is being properly investigated is far fetched. This is an unusual case though and nothing would surprise me.
Bingo3 at 9:46am, this is the article from WTHR from which I drew hope that IMPD had further questioned Davey and weren't working with only his statements at the hospital -
http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/autopsy-could-provide-more-details-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion
Copied/pasted from the article and my post above -
Although Lt. Riddle referred to "killers," he said at this point police don't know how many people they're looking for. They also don't know how the intruders got into the house.
"I know our detectives are speaking with the husband and are following up on basically how he left the house that morning. And if that door was locked or if it wasn't; things like that," said Lt. Riddle.
The affidavit says Davey told Detective Perkins (when he was speaking with him at the hospital) that he left the front door unlocked (I still cannot believe that - really ?!) This article was written on Thursday, well after that interview. If they were still following up with him and asking questions about securing the residence, does this mean that things weren't wrapped up as soon as it sounds like they were? They already knew the door was unlocked from Davey's initial conversation with the detective.
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Even though it was an affidavit for Watson and Taylor, the affidavit laid out a pattern of Davey's actions that morning and things he said later at the hospital - maybe as a reference for the future? It wasn't an affidavit about Davey, yet his words and actions are noted and I'm curious if this is common procedure or different than usual. Obviously they would have to give some background to set the scene for a probable cause against the two accused, but is there more to it than just that?
The implied wording in the 911 call (reporting Amanda as injured and unconscious vs her actual condition and the state of her surroundings at the time), the sequence of arrival of IFD Engine 12 who then called IMPD -- then all of his statements to Detective Perkins at the hospital - establishing that he was at the gym when the "event" happened (stating alibi right from the start?), the fact that he said he left the front door unlocked when he left and was sitting in the car on the driveway on the phone for a certain amount of time after he returned, talking about what he found when he walked in (Swisher Sweet package, scattered credit cards, furniture disturbed) - all of this paints a picture and has been documented in this affidavit.
It should've been immediately obvious to detectives that all was not as it was described or seen. I might be reaching but that clip from the article above seems like maybe they were asking him things again and not just relying on his initial statements. . .
IF that was indeed a scratch on Davey's face and if Taylor (by hearsay) said he shot Amanda in the upper body because she charged at him he didn't want to be scratched - then if Taylor never got scratched (and we don't know whether he did or didn't) - then the DNA from under Amanda's nails could be Davey's . . .
I don't know if she ever had a chance to charge at anyone or scratch anyone - and this is the worst take from a burglary in the history of time if they just took a single ATM card and a book bag with a Macbook Pro and a couple of books.
Bingo, you don't know that. Not all boxers are aggressive. I've never had a boxer try to keep me out of someone's house. Some pit bulls will tear your face off, others are like big ol' babies. Their personalities differ.
I do think it's possible the dog was locked up after the killers arrived, but I'm not going to state it as fact because I don't know it to be. And so far there's nothing to indicate Davey took it to the gym. Somebody dreamed that up to explain why the dog didn't scare off the intuders and also just to make Davey look more guilty. "He took the dog with him! See! It had to be planned!!"
Fools said: I'm willing to contend that Davey Blackburn had nothing to do with Amanda's murder and he's just a poor excuse for a husband, father, son, son-in-law, brother-in-law, friend, and "pastor-communicator".
That's where I'm at right now. He might be an a$$hole, but the world is full of a$$holes who aren't killers.
No matter how I "feel" about Davey ... no matter how I feel about his sermons, or his religious views, or the fact that he wears nut-hugging pants to church ... I need to see some hard evidence that he was involved.
The idea that the three dimwitted suspects have ever in their lives been part of a carefully-orchestrated plan ... that's hard for me to swallow.
Not only that, but how many higher-ups does this gang really have? Judging by the pics I've seen online, it's not a very big gang. When I searched online, Amanda's murder is the only crime I could find that they've been associated with in the media. Sounds like a small band of thugs who like to commit crmies together rather than an organized gang with multiple layers of leadership. Seems that way to me, anyway.
I happened upon this blog post earlier and found it interesting: http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/61418
It talks about how some Christians -- including Davey -- "do grief."
I need to watch the press conferences again - I remember in one of them, the detectives were completely spooked (it was the one in which they were talking about the dog coming to them and licking them and being friendly). It was one of the more senior detectives that really caught my eye.
These guys are used to speaking in public about nasty crimes. What type of scenario would it take to spook them to that extent?
Anon@2:57 - No real connection, just pointing out that le is not perfect and there is corruption within the IMPD. Now that's not to take shots at IMPD or say they aren't competent, only to point out they may have missed something with the Blackburn case. Show this case to any of your law enforcement friends/associates/family and they say NO WAY to clearing the spouse that fast, unheard of. It's definitely one for the record books. Like someone else said, only ONE neighbor heard shots, ONE. So that ONE person's account of hearing a few shots and doing absolutely nothing about it, is what is being depended upon.
Even if a person is a Davey Blackburn supporter, they still cannot make a solid argument as to why Blackburn was cleared so quickly and strongly. Can anyone here make a solid argument as to why he was cleared so quickly? And is there one piece of footage that exists where le is stating directly Davey is not a suspect? We've heard the news reports and read the articles about Davey being cleared, but did we ever hear it specifically out of anyone from law enforcement? The Inside Edition piece has the reporter quoting law enforcement that Davey is 150% not involved, but why did le never come out and state it? I guess it doesn't matter.
This was another recent-ish story that didn't make a bit of sense out of IMPD, despite the family begging for the officer to stay on the case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NyIaY0WI5Q
Bad Juju and Bobcat (above posts)- Those are very valid points! Posters have assumed, conversely, that the dog was loose, crated, and with Davey. Simply put, we just do not have enough information about the dog (her temperament, her stress triggers and behavior, her formative experiences, her whereabouts from 4:30-9:00 AM, etc.). It’s a mistake to assume that her size and purported attachment to Amanda somehow guarantee she’d automatically be aggressive and defend. Your points were well-stated.
Lots of valid, logical points being made for discussion today! Barring the occasional aggressive post, it’s good that we can disagree without being disagreeable and making personal attacks on our fellow posters. It’s a good life skill to have and hone.none of us have the inside track here and all the answers. ;) I value the discussion and your right to your own opinion, even if mine differs.
Bingo3 @ 1:40 PM Jan. 17- Thanks for bringing that forward. I can see Resonate becoming a NewSpring satellite church w/ Davey as “facilitator”. Perry Noble’s there to sure up the ship and assess the damage firsthand. He’s got a potentially serious PR problem with “crazy Davey’ and he knows it. He’s either got to put a system in place to manage Davey. Such a system: Davey may or may not have knowledge of; Davey may or may not agree to depending on the terms and whether he retains his status and influence; or Davey and Noble may collaborate to retain control. Otherwise, Noble will need to win over the Resonate Leadership Team and shareholders and redirect their loyalty to himself. In that case, either Davey will acquiesce or Noble will have to vilify Davey in some way to his shareholders. Davey’s position , without Amanda, seems shaky at best. I found Davey’s tweet interesting (*raising one eyebrow*):
daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn Jan 14
Leaders, you can't put a price on trust
-Manipulation, worry, or praise?
Bobcat @ 1:53 AM Jan. 17- You brought up a really good point! Davey has indeed lost his best asset, his ace-n-the-hole, Amanda. Davey, by himself, is unsuitable pastor material that Perry Noble wasn’t willing to chance on, until he met Amanda (sincere, grounded, spunky, dedicated, and unwilling to let Davey embellish and “slide”). I’m betting IF Perry Noble decides to allow Davey to continue in his past-communicator role, we’ll see a mentor/Sr. Pastor person put into place to contain Davey (as you perfectly described it). He’s already proven twice to Noble that he must have accountability. In their initial meeting, he had to go and bring back Amanda before Noble would take a chance on him. Then he required computer monitoring with filters and accountability reports to Both Noble and Amanda. Whatever Davey and Perry Noble are hiding has the potential to embarrass and damage Resonate/Perry Noble/NewSpring’s reputation in some way (and likely adversely affect attendance= negatively impact incoming tithes and financial donations). Just my own opinion here, thinking out loud.
Kate @ 1:28 PM Jan.17- I think you captured what a lot of us are trying to express.
There seems to be a fair degree of LE doublespeak, which seems unnecessary if we remove Davey from the equation. Given what we know from what has been released, and how the parties in question have responded to events (arrests, comments on news articles/social media, etc.), it does seem rather open and shut. Unless perhaps it’s tied to other ongoing criminal activity, orchestrated by Alonzo Bull or someone higher up?
Bad Juju- A little off-topic here, but your last comment made me think. As an aside, I hate the way Davey's "doing grief". Everybody's different and grieves differently. As "pastor" though, he appears to be setting himself up as the standard- implying that his method of "grieving" is and should be the standard for Christians to handle loss and grief. His congregation appears to be too Biblically-illiterate and naive to know better. People in the Bible tore their clothes, plucked out their beard hair, laid in the dust,lost interest in eating, wailed, beseeched God,put on sackcloth and mourned, skipped family and community events, etc.
God's big enough to handle honest emotions like our anger, our questions, our anguish. Honest grief realizes we don't have all the answers and we aren't equipped to deal with it on our own. The good news is that we don't have to. If Davey were honestly grieving, he'd let his congregation learn through his personal experience and actually have a testimony to God's help in time of trouble to share. Davey went from talking to Kenneth to Nothing Is Wasted, with "Our" God and "those" who mourn. Davey's playing church.
Foolsfeedonfolly - Your last sentence, yes that could be. In late July, IMPD were cracking down on the gangs and a particular area they focused on was a mere 17.2 miles away from the Blackburn residence. How in the world Davey left that door unlocked that morning with all the crime in his area is absolutely stunning to me. This has nothing to do with how I personally feel about Davey, I just can't believe he'd leave that door unlocked with a pregnant wife and a one year old, given the heavy crime in that area and it would appear he could give a rip about it. In fact, he is more caring and outspoken about bringing the suspects to meet Jesus or forgiving them - not so much about the horrific manner in which she was killed, the justice that needs to take place or how he all but left the blinking "VACANCY" sign outside their home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev4qTXDd4n8
Kate- That's what puzzles me. Like Bad Juju, to me this "gang" seems more like a loosely-knit small group of wannabe's, compared to more structured and better organized crime operations in the area. So,I kind of have to ask is this little two-bit "gang" a diversionary tactic for other more highly organized activity in the same area and someone has connections to connections to both? Or is this in any way related to Treezy(?) and his girlfriend's Backpage business?
One thing I know, I wouldn't be willing to risk a death penalty over 4-5 TV's,3 computers, and $350. Then again, cutting a deal could mean a death penalty from a fellow prisoner. Either way, it seems like a dead men walking kind of situation. Although, there does seem to be some SM push-back against Alonzo Bull for involving Watson and Gordon with Taylor.
Fools said: Then he required computer monitoring with filters and accountability reports to Both Noble and Amanda. Whatever Davey and Perry Noble are hiding has the potential to embarrass and damage Resonate/Perry Noble/NewSpring’s reputation in some way (and likely adversely affect attendance= negatively impact incoming tithes and financial donations). Just my own opinion here, thinking out loud.
My guess would be porn addiction, infidelity, or both.
What if he was gay and could still be into porn and/or unfaithful
I wouldn't completely rule that out, either, although I really don't get a "gay vibe" from him. I know others do, though.
Bad juju, I had read that the dog was in his crate in the garage. I'm going to try to see if I can find proof. I guess I could have read it here but I thought it was fact that the dog was in a cage to crate in the garage. Knowing the way rumors spread though it could have been an assumption on someone's part. I thought it was fact. Yet the police said the dog greeted them happily at the door when they arrived? I know I read that too. So I'll put my thoughts on the dog on hold until I can verify something about it.
Bad juju, 6:50 pm. I think he may just be a little effeminate? I've watched some of his "blooper" videos that he was doing for resonate church and he definitely acts less masculine than when he's doing his sermons but I know a lot of guys who are straight as an arrow and act a bit feminine. Who even knows.
Hi, Friends,
I'm glad you're still all on the case! I was too impatient for the LE spotlight to shine on Crazy Davey and had to take a break.
I especially agree with many comments by Bingo and Foolsfeedonfolly's thoughts on grief. But I've enjoyed all your thoughtful discussion. We seemed to have lost some drama-seekers here which is refreshing!
However, it's still annoying when a commenter calls others "silly" when they disagree!
It's a given that all comments are IMO and none of us has enough facts to have this figured out.
I don't think for a minute that LE has really ruled out Davey but I don't think they're about to call a press conference about that! The presser where they talked at length about the case speaks volumes that more was and is going on. I've watched a gazillion of these and this one stood out. Those people were downright itchy!
I continue to believe there is some sort of odd sexual thing between Davey and Perry. Peter's analysis of PN's eulogy for Amanda made that seem obvious.
I don't believe PN is freaking out about his investment in Resonate. With his millions, I wouldn't expect $100,000 to be a big concern for him. He could shut it down without a second thought if it weren't for the obvious secret between them.
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out there is a common sexual denominator among many of these young, hip "lead Pastors" hired by PN. As PN said about Davey, "There is something not right..." about them and him. I'm pretty sure Resonate's worship leader came out of that Hillsong group in Australia where the founder molested a string of young boys over a period of years.
Much like we're seeing with the Duggars, sexual deviancy keeps peeking around lots of corners. (Don't even get me started about Daddy Duggar....something odd there!)
Anyway, keep up the good work, you guys. One day I expect to see Davey arrested and Nancy Grace will be bummed that she didn't pick this pretty blonde's murder case with which to Bombshell us daily!
Pak, I haven't seen the blooper vids. I'll have to check them out.
It's hard to say with him, but I do feel like he's overcompensating for something with his big biceps and tight sleeves. Sometimes I think it's low self-esteem. In his older pictures, he looks a little dorky (I don't mean to sound ugly, it's just that he's changed a good bit). I'm no shrink, and I don't pretend to be, but from what I understand, narcissism and low self-esteem sometimes goes hand in hand.
Others believe he forced Amanda to make those Instagram posts in which she talks about how hot he is (and some say he wrote them himself), but I see it differently. I see a woman who A) was trying to build up his self-esteem, because she knew he "needed" that; or B) if he indeed has a wandering eye, mistakenly thought she could remedy that by making him feel more desirable. In a way, I feel like she was overcompensating, too.
Or maybe all the working out, tight clothing, etc., was simply an attempt to attract partners outside his marriage.
I don't know. The two beers I drank are getting to me, haha. Two beers ... there's a statement analysis joke in there somewhere ;)
Bad Juju at 8:38
I think you nailed it on "an attempt to attract partners outside his marriage".
Maybe I've just been meeting the wrong people but many I've known through the years (including myself and my spouse) tended to gain weight and get a little softer after having children. Getting pumped up in that "taking steroids" way isn't something I've observed. Well, there was that one relative who, 4+ years into his marriage got all obsessed with his appearance...Yep, having an affair with a co-worker!
Peter has intimated that there's something hinky (my words; not his) about the gym. Sure hope somebody's talking to the gym members!
Thos is just my opinion and based only on social media, videos and statements, but I continue to believe that mg is involved in this with db. Some have said they don't think she's his type bc of physical appearance. Db's in love with himself. He doesn't need a beautiful perfect woman to worship, he wants someone to worship him, and I believe in a submissive way. I've said this before and I still think it's significant, the only reason I can think of him for not saying he loved Amanda is bc there's another woman he doesn't want to upset. I think the foreshadowing on Twitter 1 month before murder (planning in advance, worship is a weapon) and mg dressing as a robber for Halloween are more than coincidences. I think they were playing it out for each other almost like a little inside joke between them. Again, just my opinion. Also looking through Twitter again, pn definitely distancing from db. He has not mentioned db or liked any of his tweets since demanding Megyn Kelly's apology. Pn is an oppurtunist and was all about "capitalizing" on ab's "story" before she had even passed. As I recall he was the one who registered the domain for nothing is wasted website. There's a screenshot somewhere but I'm not hunting for it right now. What's changed since then. Seems he has his doubts. I don't think this is over yet.
Fools @ 4:05
""daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn Jan 14
Leaders, you can't put a price on trust"
-Manipulation, worry, or praise?"
This caught my eye as well! My first thought is manipulation. Can we analyze this sentence? It seems like a real mess to me.
Anon @ 10:17,
I'm with you. There are a lot of unknowns about her, but we do know that she is SMART and DB is her type. She LOVED the twilight books about the plain brown haired girl (MG) and the beautiful vampire man (DB).
Anon at 10:17
Yes to all of it!
Bad Juju @8:38 PM Jan.17- I appreciated seeing your comments above because I felt like Amanda was overcompensating in some ways too. Because Amanda has been nearly sainted by both Davey and anyone who knew her it seems, I was reluctant to be the target of personal attacks here. It's my opinion Amanda loved God with her whole heart, but that she was very human too. No one's wife, husband, or child (adult or otherwise) is that perfect. It's natural to want to portray ourselves and our loved ones in the best light, especially after they pass. It seems like more than that though.
I'm not sure if we're on the same page here or not though. I think Amanda was under enormous pressure, as a pastor's daughter first and later, a pastor's wife to act a certain way...to perform, if you will. A pastor is judged by his wife and children. Amanda knew that full well. Reading Ashley Barrett's posts and Amber Byer's posts, then hearing Amanda instruct women not to speak too other's outside the marriage about any marital issues makes me wonder if they ever really knew Amanda the person, at all. She was Pastor Phil Byers daughter, Amber's mirror image, and Pastor Davey's wife. IMO, she wasn't ever really allowed to be Amanda. She was more bonded to her father than her mother, judging by the larger than life opinion she held of him. She even had the same exercise interests as her father (and Davey). Her father was so firmly imprinted on her, IMO she subconsciously "chose" Davey because he reminded her of her father physically and same interests (Always Daddy's Girl- author Norman Wright). Psychologically, women subconsciously tend to seek men like their fathers. Not because they necessarily liked their fathers, but because that is what they know.
Unfortunately Davey wasn't like Phil in a number of other significant ways: the computer filters and the monthly accountability reports to Perry Noble and Amanda; pregnancy triggering a lot of stress on the marriage as Amanda wasn't as physically accommodating per Davey; and Davey's self-proclaimed voracious sexual appetite and "anything goes in the bedroom" experimentation coupled with ignoring Amanda's emotional needs that nearly wrecked the marriage immediately following the honeymoon-per Amanda. The deplorable "counseling" Amanda was given by Mark Driscoll et al at the Real Marriage seminar, that she was to be fulfill Davey's sexual needs first and every time, whether she felt like it or not- it was her "responsibility" as a wife (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2014/october-web-only/mark-driscoll-resigns-from-mars-hill.html). As someone pointed out here (IIRC, it was Peter), Amanda was objectified yet again. Amanda, with a heart for God and being the obedient Christian identifying and bonded to the "strong father figure-type" trusted those in leadership (Perry Noble, NewSpring's Board, Mark Driscoll, and Davey Blackburn) and willingly did her utmost to obey. On top of it all, she was told it was a sin to discuss any marital issues/unhappiness with other women. IMO, the language of her journal entries evokes desperation and wrestling with issues. They're full of: surrender talk; of desperately trying to make sense of the ongoing senselessness she seems to be in and choosing over and over to trust God anyway; she seems desperate for Resonate to grow; and it feels like she is praising/"faithing" her way through her marriage (as though it's a trial and she's choosing to praise God in the midst of it); and always striving to be or become more (like she's never enough). That's the sense I get from her praising Davey Twitter posts too.
Several posts today have me considering the leadership atmosphere at NewSpring from Perry Noble down
Biblically, the fact that Davey needed filters on his computers and Noble & Amanda got monthly ""accountability" reports disqualifies both Perry Noble and Davey Blackburn to pastor a church. Davey for the unresolved sin that affected his marriage (the husband of one wife/household in order spiritually) and Perry for not enforcing it as Davey's pastor, especially after Davey joking about ways to get around filters (clearly not repentant or even ashamed).
With all the lewd sex talk ("anything goes in the bedroom")and innuendos flowing freely with no censure or rebuke from Noble or NewSpring's Board, what's the corporate culture at NewSpring? The lack of censure tells me it's like the high school boys locker room, where girls are conquests and the guys are out-bragging each other with high-fives and fist-bumps. The women are apparently counseled to happily "submit" to whatever he chooses and they better not discuss it with anyone else or God will be upset/angry that they're "gossiping". All in the name of God too. *GAG*
Anyone besides me feel the need to stage at intervention at Resonate? LOL
Perhaps I just need to wait until Davey asks those to stand to be prayed for and I'll finagle my way to the stage. Taking the microphone in hand, I'll proceed to share what I think God has told me in His Word about Pastor Davey. ;) ;)
Great post @ 11:43 Fools and a great point you bring up about Davey's online activities being monitored. Did Davey develop the idea to have these reports submitted to Perry & Amanda all on his own? Why did Davey need babysitting from the internet? A lot of men/women get caught by their spouses for doing things online that they shouldn't be doing. What led to such an extreme measure to send a detailed online report not only to Amanda, but to Perry as well? Would information like this not be worth investigating?
This is a point that is very interesting and more than worthy of a little research to find out wth was going on in that house leading up to Amanda's murder.
Hi Kate; ref your post @1:25, I have to agree. What preacher/pastor is sitting around sneaking into porn sites and has to have his computer programs monitored by the head hauncho and his wife? Let me be so kind as to answer that for ya: One who is NOT a born again believer, or a follower of Jesus Christ or living in fear of the admonition of God's precepts and ultimate judgment, one who doesn't believe the Bible, much less know much about it; one who is in no way qualified either spiritually or morally to lead others anywhere other than to the pit of hell.
First however, I'd like to apologize to whoever it was who thought I was being inconsiderate in referring to something someone said earlier (I don't even remember who it was or what had been said) when I used the term 'silly.' Actually, I thought I was being considerate in not saying stupid or ridiculous. Others can state an opinion by faking and acting like they are tippy toeing around on egg shells, but I can't by being honest? Oh well, I'll have to bite my tongue.
But to get back to the point I was about to make; IMO, Davey Blackburn is as q---r as a $3.00 bill. Some won't like that word? Too bad, but what they do anally to each other IS q---r, AND nasty, take it or leave it; this is the same thing they do to a woman while claiming anything goes in the bedroom? This is not q---r? It IS. I could go further with a fuller description but why bother? It is what it is. NASTY and q---r. Further, it will make you sick and make your teeth rot.
His carefully laid plan? Davey Blackburn waited a very long time to have sex with Amanda before marriage; then after a one week honeymoon he starts avoiding her, 'blaming' his work load for shunning her, while leaving her feeling emotionally empty, abandoned and neglected, AND sad and troubled, wondering what she did wrong, she loved him. Q---R POS. He made it all HER fault.
He proceeds to dress like a male stripper ready to start disrobing, strutting his stuff around and proclaiming loudly how dissatisfied he is sexually with his wife, insulting her publically throughout there entire marriage, even blaming the baby for making his marriage miserable. So he flexes and struts. The q---r likes to attract attractive women too so they can attract more men. Q---r POS! NO, I will not be changing my mind or amending my language. I do not accept destroying such a lovely word as the use of 'gay.' Call it what it is, call him a lollipop or whatever, but it IS Q---R and nasty. Poor Amanda. He had her living a dogs life.
This little dumpy unattractive former babysitter some think is involved with him? Could be, who really cares, when she is nothing to him but usery when all he really needs is a baby sitter and she perfectly fits the bill. But she'd better get ready to experience some painful anal sex which is what she's in for while HE goes on performing his anal and lollipop sex outside the bounds of their relationship. Was she already involved, at least with siding up with him prior to Amanda's murder? Very well likely since for some strange reason she suddenly moved out of their home and Amanda stopped posting right about that same time. ACTIONS speak louder than words. They always have and they always will.
Which brings me to my opinion that Davey IS involved in Amanda's murder. Did he tell the 911 operator the truth when he made that infamous call for medical assistance that morning when it was obvious that Amanda had been brutally attacked AND shot three times, and it was no accidental fall? NO HE DID NOT. YES, he WAS involved. He would have no other reason to hide what he saw lying on his living room floor upon seeing his wifes' injuries and nudity OTHER than pure deceit, as well as items left behind by intruders. AGAIN, actions speak louder than words.
Sorry if I've stepped on anyone's little tippy toes. It's not personal, ok? ABB
Someone made a comment about the detective looking spooked. Does anyone have a link to that? Also, you guys have made an interesting point about never actually hearing LE saying he was completely cleared. You know it seems like many think that the case is open-shut and done. We just don't know that. LE was tracking Scott Peterson and we had no idea. His laptop may have been conveniently stolen but if he was up to no good before the murder, he will be back to it. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors with LE. No way they don't find all the coincidences as strange as we do. Plus, they have the 911 call and it is being kept under wraps for a reason!
And Perry Noble did actually show up in the flesh to Resonate. (some thought he would just do a video) They are posting numbers as usual. Over 300 in attendance (Davey must be salivating) and 8 salvations! This crazy story is still being written! ha!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAqGxsxoEbV/ Wow just wow! They really are done with the so called mourning and are ready to feed the cash cow. I hope I am wrong about how icky I feel about all of this.
Here is a link to the full press conference ... same one I posted yesterday ... http://fox59.com/2015/11/13/impd-chief-rick-hite-to-talk-about-crime-in-city-and-amanda-blackburns-murder/
They start talking about this case around 40 minutes in.
The older white fella, Capt. Converse, is, I believe, who people have described as "spooked." Sorry, not seeing it. He seems emotional, tired and just not the most eloquent public speaker. Why would he be spooked?
Stumbled across this link -- http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/autopsy-could-provide-more-details-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion -- this video seems to confirm that it was the third bullet that police went back for Wednesday night.
Bingo, the 911 call is being withheld, but there are a multitude of reasons why that might be. It doesn't necessarily mean the 911 call implicates Davey, no matter how much some folks are banking on that. It could simply be that the call contains info "only the killer(s) would know," so they're keeping it under wraps for investigative reasons. Kinda like when police withhold a victim's cause of death, so if a suspect mentions the victim was stabbed, for instance, investigators know that person has knowledge of the crime because it was never publicized that the victim was stabbed. Not sure if I explained that well, haha.
Fools, I will respond to your post about Amanda later when I have a little more time :)
I agree JuJu about 911 call. Of course there are many reasons why it is being withheld. I am coming from it (as you know) from a "he's guilty and LE is still looking at him" side. You are coming from he is not guilty and it was just some random thugs and a robbery gone wrong. That is why this forum is fun. We all have our opinions and I am glad we are sticking to them! I certainly will not be convinced anytime soon that he was not involved!
Can someone provide a link for DB's abandonment of AB after the honeymoon? I see a number of comments about this. When and where do AB or DB talk about this?
And thanks for link JuJU. Curious to look at it. Rosy, I think the early marriage struggle was discussed in Love Songs Q & A with Davey and Amanda on Resonate website
Bingo, I do believe this was likely a random crime as police have said.
The difference is that I don't need the 911 call to prove anything one way or the other. There are people who deeply want Davey Blackburn to be guilty. They need him to be guilty. So they're banking on that 911 call showing his guilt. It has been stated here many times that the police must be withholding the call because it implicates Davey, even though we have no idea why they're withholding it. I admit I have no idea why they're withholding it.
If police end up charging Davey months or even years from now, so be it. But a number of people have said, unequivocally, they will NEVER believe he is NOT guilty. So even if the suspects get on the stand and admit it was random ... even if statement analysis shows they're being truthful ... those people will continue to accuse an innocent man of murder.
Yet somehow I'm the one who got lectured about objectivity the other day, haha.
A good example: Some folks assumed police returned to the home Wednesday to find something against Davey ... because they really want that to be the reason. I think it was even suggested that the zit on his chin was a defensive wound caused by Amanda and they went back to find DNA evidence, or something like that? What? But judging from the court doc and news reports, it appears they went back for the third bullet. That's the most logical explanation, and there's actually evidence to back that up that explanation.
I guess what I'm trying to say is if one ignores the most logical explanation in favor of a less logical explanation simply because the less logical explanation implicates Davey ... that doesn't make sense to me.
Bingo3 said...
at 1:40 PM
I think the early marriage struggle was discussed in Love Songs Q & A with Davey and Amanda on Resonate website
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Got it, thanks. Yes, I watched that a long time ago and confess it did not make a huge impression on me. I am more struck by how Davey repeatedly tells Amanda to go first in answering a question (putting her on the spot, not asking, would you like to go first or shall I?) - then interrupts her, jumps in, to shape and control the flow of information about them as a couple. Bad sign.
Their honeymoon aftermath, or transition from honeymoon to first days of marriage, must have been rough for AB to remember and bring it up after 7 years. But I would not presume to lay "blame" on DB alone for this. We all know the phrase, the honeymoon in over. If and when it happens, do we resent it? I think it would take assessment by more than one experienced marriage councilor to pass any sort of judgment on this part of the video. From facts they've shared, their courtship was peculiarly lacking in opportunities for intimacy. The marriage was practically an arranged marriage. They were at a distance from one another. They both conceived of sexual activity before marriage as "sexual temptation." By AB's choice they followed strict "purity vow" rules of no kissing before marriage. And she "gave him up" for Lent. Her strict practice of self- and other- denying beliefs created a special situation.
She may have hoped and expected that all the tender physical and emotional intimacy of a regular courtship, suppressed before marriage, would take place in the early weeks and months after the honeymoon. How realistic was that? Did she insist on this and help DB understand that this was what they must pursue? No, AB immediately set about "trying to figure out" how marriage too is "all about" another state of deprivation. She says, and he agrees, that for them the hardest part was figuring out how to fight and how to resolve conflict. This is grim, masochistic thinking. As if no one had taught them -- especially her - how to seek to give and get joy, pleasure, individual and personal as well as mutual satisfaction. Way too much about serving one another.
On the early marriage Q&A,I would say, AB, in a not uncommon way, was blinded by upbringing and education to how lack of sexual satisfaction (her own as well as her partner's) might breed and amplify frustration and conflict in daily life, making for a quarrelsome, distressing home life.
DB in contrast had (has?) some weirder hang-up perceptible in e.g. the way he focuses on odd, peculiar, petty details that may block out perhaps disturbing deeper issues. For example, his focus on the matching shirts he and sister's boyfriend bought together; his focus on her snorting milkshake out of her nose.
Amanda was a virgin at marriage. She knew NOTHING about sex or how her husband was supposed to love her. She only knew that he didn't show it. One week later and he's avoiding her? WOW, what a disappointment THAT would be. It is up to the HUSBAND to teach his new bride in the art of love making. He didn't.
POS gave her less than one week of his undivided attention then skedaddled on his merry way as if she didn't matter to him in the slightest. She didn't. Little did she know; he got what he wanted, a 'wife' to hide behind. Low down POS.
How was she supposed to feel and act after such a huge let down that only got worse with him whining and complaining that it's all her fault? Put yourself in her position. How would YOU feel at being treated so shabbily by your new husband? What is she supposed to do now, not knowing what she did wrong? She tries and tries and tries and goes on taking his insults. but she's trapped and knows she is. She can only make the best of it. What a hell-uv a way to start AND remain in a marriage that HE doomed from the very beginning while he chips away at her self-esteem and continues to demean her.
He knows what he did to her. Even if he had not been the chief instigator of her murder, which IMO he WAS; one of these days this POS fake preacher will blow hell wide open for the way he treated Amanda. ABB
ABB,
I admire your continued venting! It has encouraged me to comment on the looks in this photo of DB and PN? at resonate on Sunday.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BAqGxsxoEbV/
IMO, DB looks like a gay street slut, and PN looks like a gold medal champion Dbag.
Pastors, not so much.
Vent over.
Backwards baseball caps don't look stupid at all. Not even a little bit. Well, maybe a bit. OK, a lot.
Seriously, even the guys in attendance have more respect for being indoors and in "church" than PN. @@@
What man says things like this routinely?
"This is a post by our Pastor of Ministries, Brad Cooper, who I think is the MOST attractive man on our entire staff."
Perry Noble's latest blog post.
Do you think no one in his circle of friends/churchgoers finds this odd?
Look at the audience in that instagram pic. Average age looks to be about 15. And no way there are 300 people there. These are a bunch of infatuated teenagers being groomed and cultivated. Only the very susceptible would be taken in by Davey and his brand of preaching full of imagery of violence and sex.
What I can't understand is how PN as a church of 30k. I wonder if they are mainly teens too? But teens don't have money to tithe, so it must include a fair number of adults with incomes. I don't get how they could find so many gullible souls to con.
As I have stated before I came into this case late. I have always found it peculiar, but with the holidays, I didn't have time to read and watch much. I actually just watched the initial police conference where the man shows the picture of the dog. What I found interesting is them talking about this being a crime of opportunity. The police said the thugs saw Davey leave and decided the house must be empty. They walked right in the front door and decided to rob. WHAT?? The guys sat in the first house for almost an hour drinking and eating oranges. It wasn't a fun surprise to them that oh it seems someone just left the house two doors down, let's go rob that one too! Let's finish this last orange slice and hop over there. Might as well hang out at that house for a while too. None of them were the least concerned that someone would be returning to either house anytime soon.
Bobcat, ref your post on 1/18 @6:29, I tried and tried to bring up the link you posted but was never able too. When it finally opened this morning it went into Facebook but not anywhere that had anything to do with DB, PN or Resonate, which crashed my 'puter. I don't know why I have so much trouble with the links that are posted here but for some reason I'm almost never able to open any of them.
Anyhoo, it doesn't surprise me that Davey would turn up looking like a street slut picking up blow-j's on the prowl, his favorite extra-circular activity. He just loves to advertise himself as being available. I'd lay odds he snuck out of his house many nights during his marriage to Amanda and did that very thing, and more.
These men who use 'family values' and the Word of God to practice and cover their dirty tracks are the lowest of the low. Believe me, I DO understand how the atheist and the agnostic gets to the point of non-believing they reach in their lives. They've already had and seen many disappointments in their own lives, now they see all the fakes robbing so many unsuspecting souls. It is very sad that so many of them allow the 'religious' filth of this world to influence their eternal salvation, robbing them of it, especially in light of the fact that we have nowhere else to turn but to God as we cannot save ourselves either in this life or out of it. These so-called Christian men are the robbers of the soul, ignoring their own damnation, as they didn't really believe in God in the first place.
Would preacher Nobel sing the praises of another male beauty other than Davey before the congregation? Of course he would; anything to take the spotlight off his little protégé Davey's male allure. He knew what he was doing. They are ALL sick in the head and disgusting. They sicken me in my gut.
Personally, I don't really judge them as to their preferences, that's between them and God and not my judgment call to make; but to mislead unsuspecting souls under the guise of Christianity is lower than dirt or any practice one could ever conceive of; or not to come on out of the closet and stop luring in trusting women, completely destroying their lives, like Amanda and many other women I could name, leading to the destruction of their life and soul if they can't see what they are dealing with and find a way out of it. They are truly of the devil.
NO woman deserves this kind of deceitful lifestyle. I have witnessed it first hand, it is one of the saddest things I have ever seen; a pathetic woman trying to please a q---r husband that she has no idea he is q---r and can never be pleased by a woman, is tormenting to a woman, the rejection she feels ultimately destroys her self esteem and pride in herself as a woman. I don't think they ever really recover from it psychologically.
So there they are, luring in MORE young and unsuspecting souls. They have no fear of God? That says it all. Believe it, they have their motives and it's not all just about tithing when most of these youth don't have much money in the first place. It is very sad, AND sickening. I get the picture, loud and clear. Sneaky, sickening, repulsive q---rs, the whole lot of 'em, hiding behind pathetic women. ABB
ABB @853-
You said "personally, I don't really judge them as to their preferences, that's between them and God and not my judgement call to make".
In the very same post post you also said:
"picking up blow-j's on the prowl, his favorite extra-circular (curricular) activity"
"they are ALL sick in the head and disgusting. They sicken me in my gut."
"they truly are of the devil"
"sneaky, sickening, repulsive q---rs (queers), the whole lot of 'em, hiding behind pathetic women".
All of those things are extremely judgmental.
In fairness, Bingo @8:19 a.m., it seems they weren't concerned about much of anything. They weren't concerned about leaving DNA on the shirt in the stolen car with ATM receipts inside. They weren't concerned about leaving DNA on the bottles in the home where they were drinking. They weren't concerned about breaking into houses/apartments while a resident was home. It's like they wanted to get caught. Why would they be concerned about getting caught hanging out? I think Larry Taylor would've been happy to pistol-whip or shoot anyone who caught them.
The police at the press conference didn't say the suspects thought the Blackburn home was empty, just that they saw an opportunity when Davey left. Chances are, when a man leaves home in the morning, he's leaving behind an empty house OR a woman who is now alone (possibly with children). Personally, I don't think they cared if the house was empty or not. Maybe the disgusting (alleged) rapist/murderer Larry Taylor was hoping there was a woman inside.
It's possible they saw Davey go bebopping out the door without stopping to turn the dead bolt. I would think at least one of the three idiots would have been keeping watch through a window or something.
(And not that it matters much, but they stole the bag of oranges. They didn't eat them while hanging out.)
WELL, SO WHAT, Rella! Take it as you will, suck it up, or not. I DO have the right to make my OWN judgments and I will continue too. It is clear as a bell in the scriptures; we ARE to judge for ourselves and separate ourselves from them.
But as to judging their SOUL, this is not my call to make. ALL things are possible with God, even to the forgiving of them who lead others to the pit. Jesus was not willing that ANY should perish. But I am NOT Jesus or God. However, I DO have the right to get angry at seeing others being deceived by the evil so-called preachers in this world.
We DO still live on this earth. What if no one ever made a judgment call? You'll have to reason it out for yourself. Accuse me all you want; I will STILL stand firm while you flounder not know which way to turn, unable to make a judgment call that could affect your OWN life and eternal salvation. ABB
I meant to add to my last comment that I don't see what's so "gay street slut" about what Davey was wearing at Sunday's service. Perry Noble looks ridiculous, but Davey looks like he always looks ... jeans, T-shirt, hoodie vest. (And for once his sleeves aren't too tight.) It's not like he's dressed up like one of the Village People, for Pete's sake.
That last comment at 9:56 was me ... not sure why it posted anonymously,
ABB
Blah Blah blah....
Get your own blog.
But thank for signing at the end at least.
Makes for easier skipping.
I really didn't want to go down that path ABB, I have been just trying to stick to the logistics of the odd crime spree and timing,blah, blah, said it all before. Obviously I feel Davey had a connection to all of this so it is my thinking that he knew some of the thugs. I figured he knew them through the school or baseball connection?? But, him sneaking out in the night (ABB statement above) and meeting up with men on backpages is seriously a valid point. I really don't have a great vibe, but he does seem like he may have some homosexual tendencies. Weren't some of these thugs on backpages? That could be the connection.
I bring up the backpages thing also because I had a friend who's husband was doing this and she was completely shocked when she found out. But it certainly does happen to unsuspecting wives. Also, from DB sermons he does seem obsessed with sex and violence so seeking something more exciting and well, sketchy may have floated his boat.
Skip away. However, if you're so sensitive about what someone else posts, Unknown, why don't YOU get your own blog then you can dictate what others' posts. Until then, may I remind you that this is not your blog site? Meanwhile, judge yourself accordingly, comprende'? ABB
ABB @940
I didn't accuse you. I stated facts, based on your own words. And yet again, when someone disagrees with you or calls you out, you resort to one of your low-blow tactics, which have included name calling, threats, and the passive-agressive jabs at others intelligence and/or beliefs. Your choice of low-blow tactic today with me is "I will stand firm while you flounder not know(ing) which way to turn, unable to make a judgement call that could affect your own life and eternal salvation". How is it that you came to the conclusion that I am "floundering" and "unable to make judgement calls"? You speak down to people as if you are better than everyone else.
ABB
Blah blah blah
start your own
blah blah blog.
misunderstood.
bored by blathering blah blah blah
bored by judgemental soap-boxing
comprende'
circumlocutory troll
Why did LE offer an explanation as to why the thugs were hitting up the Blackburn home? Is this typical? "We believe that when Mr. Blackburn left to go work out," Hench said, "they saw an opportunity to burglarize another home." If this is typical police work, to offer up explanations for criminals, why didn't they offer an explanation as to why they hit the first house?
"Although federal agents do not appear to be directly involved with the Blackburn case, Minkler and others said they were ready to give assistance to local authorities if needed." - ----so federal agents did not help in this case but were available just in case? http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/13/impd-may-address-blackburn-slaying-press-conference/75696864/
ABB
Making a judgement call and being judgemental are two different things. For example, I can say I'd rather not associate with someone, because I don't agree with their lifestyle. That's my judgement call. If I go into things like saying that person is evil, that person is disgusting and so on, that's being judgmental.
I remember a time when someone made a remark on this blog to you about how you have 2 homeless men living with you. The remark was very judgmental, and uncalled for. I also remember you didn't like it one bit and your reaction was threats and so on. Yet, you do the very same thing. Its hypocrisy.
Kate, I thought that statement (about seeing another opp for a burglary when they saw DB leave the house) was very odd too. Talk about speculating away that one. I wish I could be in the press room and ask "Is it typical for robbery suspects to go all the way down the street, land in a cul de sac, sit in a house drinking for an hour and then walk into the front door of a house and stay there for 45 minutes?" Do you really think they sat by the window waiting to see who would leave their house next?? No! They KNEW who was going to leave their house next! I think Davey left later than he wanted to and that is why they were stuck sitting in that house for an hour. That is how it adds up in my mind! I think LE even saying something like that may be done to make Davey think they have no suspicion of his involvement. I still think they are on to him!!
Sunday's sermon has been posted to the church's vimeo site here:
https://vimeo.com/152163544
This is Davey's intro to Perry Noble:
2:00 So I’m excited that you’re here today. Are you excited to be here today? Are you? Good, good, good. Well listen, we have a very special guest and, and honestly, I, I don’t think that I could oversell the guest that we have today, but I want you to know somethin’, um, our guest today has, is, has been somebody through my life that, has been a giant of faith. And, and the times and, not, you’re gonna’ see in just a second, not just because of his height, ‘cause he is quite a giant, but, in fact I feel a little bit short him I’m going to bring him up here in a second and he’s gonna’ s–, [pause] dwarf me pretty bad. But he’s a giant of faith, and when my faith has waned in the process of starting this church this has been the primary person that I’ve had to go and borrow faith from. And so you have a extremely special guest that really is kind of a once in a lifetime experience, I don’t know if you understand the magnitude of what we get to experience today. And so, with no further ado, I want for every single one of us to give a warm, huge, Resonate welcome to my pastor, Pastor Perry Noble, come on let’s go! [Yells] On your feet! Give a huge welcome, let’s go!
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My first impression is one of extreme ambivalence and resentment.
"Honestly, I don't think that I could oversell the guest that we have today" makes me wonder about the honesty of everything Davey says about Perry.
He initially stutters on his verb tenses when talking about Perry's role in his life, from "has" to "is" to "has," then sticks with perfect past tense: Perry "has been somebody through my life," "has been a giant of faith," "when my faith "has waned," this has been the primary person."
In current time (and projecting forward), Davey feels dwarfed by Perry. He [Perry] "is" quite a giant, I "feel" a little bit short, he [is] gonna' dwarf me pretty bad.
This is a backhanded compliment. This language does not convey a comfortable relationship between mentor and mentee, it conveys oneupmanship and a dominant/submissive relationship in which Davey feels dwarfed by Perry's words ("I'm going to bring him up here in a second and he's gonna s–, [pause] dwarf me pretty bad,") by his physical presence, and by the success of Perry's organization, which dwarfs Davey's and which Davey is reliant on.
The wording of the phrase "this has been the primary person that I've had to go and borrow faith from," suggests a financial reliance, and not just on Perry "the primary person," but secondary lenders as well.
Right after this statement there is a pronoun shift from "we" to "you": "You have an extremely special guest", and special, why? Because you will only experience this guest once in a lifetime. Do "you" understand the magnitude of this?
Davey then shifts to pseudo submissiveness. Perry is "my pastor, Pastor Perry," a reminder to Perry (and his church) that Davey is one of Perry's flock, and is looking to him to BE a leader.
Laughably, Davey won't hand the podium over to Perry at this point, but pulls him into a very awkward "show and tell" session.
(More to follow : ))
Good stuff CJ. I can't wait to watch it! Hope Peter will also watch and do an SA!
Bingo3 said...
Hope Peter will also watch and do an SA!
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I hope so too!
Bingo, I didn't mean they were watching for other people in the neighborhood leaving their homes, I meant like watching to make sure the resident of the home they were in didn’t come home or that police hadn't been called.
Spot on, CJ!
DB is such a poor communicator, and his incessant manipulation of everyone is so transparent. His @ss kissing of PN is so over the top. It is so hard to believe the people around him seem to be oblivious to his fawning and hyperbole.
Bingo3, I really enjoyed your post. I'll start with how much sense you make when referencing le saying something like that, to make Davey think they have no suspicion on him. I never thought of it that way and not to be redundant, but that makes a lot of sense.
Your description of the thugs hanging out by the window, waiting to see who would leave the house, cracked me up for some reason. Though there is not one thing comical about Amanda's death or anything relating to it, some of the circumstances involved here are so far fetched that a few of the extreme angles become ridiculous.
I agree with you about Davey leaving late that morning. Sure, it's simple speculation, but the timing of how everything went down that morning is quite phenomenal, to say the least. I think he also came home too early.
Do you think Amanda was awake and out of bed that morning when all hell broke loose or do you think she was still in bed, sleeping?
Sidenote - People often talk about the dog and how Mel should have been going nuts, barking, etc. But would Mel have really barked and gone nuts? Davey and Amanda seemed to have had a constant flow of people in their home, Mel may have very well been the type of dog not to bark or become aggressive as she was very used to people coming and going.
Just from initially watching some of it, I have to give it to Perry, he is a MUCH better preacher than Davey is!! Davey just comes across so desperate, choppy and bossy all the time. Ya'll stand up, ya'll sit down. Let's show Perry how great our church is and how Resonate has changed your life!! Stand up if you have become a christian! Now everybody stand up because this church has changed your life! Let us prove it to the great Perry Noble. Gag me
Thanks for the link CJ. I'm just starting, but why is a grown adult, 44 year old man dressed like that? The shirt is wayyyyy too tight, the entire look is from a teenage fashion page. Davey's outfit is straight from the Garanimals collection. Is this to give the appearance of youth so they can "bond" better with the youth and reel them in? You shouldn't judge people based upon their appearances, but this is a bit over the top. 44 years old!!
Davey's intro to Perry, cont'd"
3:20 All right, so you, [Perry walks on stage] Perry has no idea that I’m doing this so I’m gonna’ ask you to sit down again, ask you to sit down again, this almost feels like a Catholic service, up and down, up and down, up and down, sorry. Apologize for that.
Um, here’s what you need to understand. About 4-1/2 years ago the Lord called a-, Amanda and, and myself to come to Indianapolis and start a church out of nothing that would see lost people come to know Christ and that would, awaken the city. And, um um, Pastor Perry took a chance on us, and he saw potential in us, and he invested in us, and um if you know, if you’re a business person here you know you like to see return on your investment. So today what I wanted to do is I wanted to show him some of the return on his investment, so when I count to three if you, at some point in your time here at Resonate if you met Jesus, so you responded and gave your life to him, you got baptized, or you invited a friend or family member that may or may not be here and you saw them meet Jesus, and so you want to represent them today, on the count of three I want to ask you just to stand, okay?
And you’re gonna’ get to see what God is doing and what he’s done in this place and the investment, because of the investment of Pastor Perry and Newspring church has made, so one, two, three, stand to your feet, stand to your feet, stand to your feet, stand to your feet, stand to your feet. That awesome?
Stay standing. [Perry Noble walks off camera and comes back with cellphone]. Do it. [Perry takes a photo of audience, accompanied by applause].
Alright, one more thing, stand, while you’re st-, while you’re standing, if, in any way whatsoever this church, because of the investment that Pastor Perry and Newspring Church has made in us, has impacted you for the good toward your relationship with Jesus I want you to also stand. Go ahead and stand and join these people. Go ahead and stand and join these people. Let’s give Pastor Perry and Newspring Church a huge round of applause. [Turns to Perry]. Thank you thank you thank you thank you for taking a chance on us. Thank you. Love you. [Embraces Perry. PN: Love you].
This "stand up if you ..." exercise brought immediately to my mind Abraham's negotiation with the angel of God over the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18:16-33). Abraham was a shrewd bargainer: he managed to exact a promise that if ten righteous men (down from fifty) could be found in Sodom and Gomorrah, God would spare the city.
Davey is going in the other direction. We expect him to ask how many people have given their lives to Christ as a result of coming to Resonate, which he does. Then he continues, broadening his request to include "met Jesus, got baptized, or invited a friend or family member that may or may not be here and you saw them meet Jesus, and so you want to represent them today." The criterion is now both broad and confusing enough that, in conjunction with Davey's repeated urging to stand (5 times in a row) I am surprised anyone is left sitting.
Davey has just introduced Perry to the audience as a mentor, a giant of faith, and his pastor. Here, Perry is no longer a pastor but an investor, a business person whose need to be shown the return on his investment in Resonate church. The people standing in front of him represent "some" of the return on that investment. (Where is the rest?)
Davey does not tell us what Perry invested in the startup church. He and Amanda started with nothing, so presumably Perry funded 100% of the startup. Check the pronouns here: Davey has just said "Amanda and myself" and follows with "took a chance on us," "invested in us."
Implicit here is a question to Perry: is he still in this for the long run if the "us" is now a "myself," or can he follow Davey's prompt to view the church as the new "us," the new bride of Davey who makes everything right just by being in the room with Davey?
(And how big of an asshole will Perry look if he calls in his debt and shuts down Davey's operation after this public display, especially in light of the sacrifice Davey has made to this cause?)
Rella, your post @ 12:12; what are YOU doing other than judging ME? You see, it's a vicious cycle. Give it a rest. Spin on if you don't like my judgmental ways. At least I use my own initials, not hiding or using some fake name I pulled out of the sky. BTW, I like the little kitty in your avatar. So sweet. ABB
Kate said...
... why is a grown adult, 44 year old man dressed like that?
January 19, 2016 at 1:57 PM
Kate, I can think of several answers to that question.
1. The crew of What Not to Where have not caught up with him yet.
2. He thinks of himself as a 20-something hipster/gangster.
3. He dresses to attract 20-something hipsters/gangsters.
4. His lets his daughter pick out his clothes.
5. He has a deep-seated father complex.
6. He is a celebrity pastor with a large following who could care less what anybody thinks.
7. He is insecure and needs to be thought of as cool. His clothes are his idea of cool.
"What Not to WEAR"
(lol, wear is my head today?)
ABB
As per usual, you don't like what I've said, so now here comes bully ABB, who is better than me, because those are your real initials. You have now come to the conclusion that I am "hiding" or "using some fake name I pulled out of the sky". That's laughable. There are at least two other people here who can tell you that my name here is a legitimate part of my name. In fact, Peter could tell you that. I am not hiding. I have no reason to.
Rella,
Troll is insatiable.
Don't feed the TROLL.
I feel you.
Does not happen that much here; reading for years.
Logic no worky on Lucy
Walk away.
And be grateful that at least the TROLL usually signs at the bottom.
It helps
Bully? I'm the bully? It is YOU bullying me!
So bully for you, Rella. At least you're the real McCoy, right?
How insecure you are, thinking I think I am better than you. So sad, not funny. What it comes down too is no matter what I say or do, you just plain don't like me. Okay, I'm good with that. Can we move along now? This thread is not about either you or me. BTW, I still like your sweet little kitty. ABB
CJ said...
Kate, I can think of several answers to that question.
1. The crew of What Not to Where have not caught up with him yet.
2. He thinks of himself as a 20-something hipster/gangster.
3. He dresses to attract 20-something hipsters/gangsters.
4. His lets his daughter pick out his clothes.
5. He has a deep-seated father complex.
6. He is a celebrity pastor with a large following who could care less what anybody thinks.
7. He is insecure and needs to be thought of as cool. His clothes are his idea of cool.
January 19, 2016 at 3:18 PM
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Thanks CJ, all reasonable explanations. I would think he'd dress more his age in that he had such a huge porn addiction as well. What is it with these wives tolerating grown azz men who claim to be the holy pastor's of their church, dressing like teeny boppers? Acting like teeny boppers? Having so much common ground with extreme porn addiction? Perry says so much so, that he almost left the church because of it. So a little ironic that Davey would be sending his online activity to a self cured porn addict who dresses and behaves like a teenager.
Sorry for the choppy lingo, trying to multitask and it's not working so well.
Yeah Snap; that's right, go ahead and tell the gullible that I'm a troll. I'm sure she'll fall for it just like you have. Duh..... to the thickheaded. NOW, can we PLEASE move on? Thank you! ABB
In reading CJ's quotation transcript of Davey's introduction of preacher Nobel to the congregation, I've been trying to find some of this superior intelligence Peter makes reference too in his articles. It certainly isn't in his public speaking skills or abilities.
He sounds more like a carnival barker to me than anything else. 'Step right this way folks!!' Only, his is stand and stand and stand and sit and sit and sit and the yelling barker goes on and on...
Thanks for posting it CJ. ABB
Regarding the porn addiction as it relates to the teenager-type clothing:
I have a bit of suspicion that the porn they seek/sought is young teens (probably boys) so the clothing would totally fit, wouldn't it? (tightly!)
We see the outing of more and more men in faux ministries and benevolent foundations who have addictions to children and young teens. I actually caught a "pastor"/chaplain on my computer at work looking at porn. When I confronted him (I saved the hard drive for evidence), he said his addiction began in college. He cried and vowed to stop; I'm doubting that he did. He was so angry with me for catching him that he accused me later of being unforgiving. These criminals/liars (he has a wife) get really mad when they're caught!
One day someone will talk...about PN, Davey and the bunch. And one day someone in the gang will talk about the crime.
Let's hope we're around to see it!
So Davey says the LOrd called him and Amanda to start this little Resonate church in Indianapolis from nothing. How do we know it was the Lord who called him? How does HE know it was the Lord who called him? Called him HOW?
Did he call him in the shower like he did when he presumed to raise up those old dry bones in his FIL's church? Or was it in some Godly scheme like God performed when he killed Amanda so Davey could save the church? Or an Angel of the Lord who appeared unto him from a dead sleep? Right.
Davey's problem was he needed to get out of town and cool his heels so Nobel came to the rescue to the tune of 100K. It solved a problem for both of them. 100K wasn't much since Nobel was scamming it from his loyal followers anyhow. ABB
Snap @327
Thank you.
Ok I about died when I saw what Perry was wearing. It disturbed me especially the backwards hat almost to the point of hilarity for a 44 year old man.
I thought it was strange how Davey said 4 1/2 years ago we came to awaken the city and brought this church up out of nothing. CD, you have 120 members! It is still nothing and you didn't awaken the city. I guess your still holding on hope. Also, was it just me or did PN seem to be "just not into you" mode about Davey. Still not sure why he came? He is no longer an investor and puts no more money into the church. I was glad he did call AB death a tragedy and said there is just no other word for it. According to Davey, it is just a conundrum and little life alteration.
PN's visit to Resonate was an evaluation. To pull the plug or not pull the plug? The criminal assault and murder of AB constitute a crisis, a threat and opportunity. Rather than responding to her death as a sign of violence in the city, the church has chosen to leverage it as a money-making opportunity.
On Sunday DB actually pronounced the term ROI, return on the investment, as the theme of his intro to PN. ROI is opportunity, but threat lurks in the form of scandal and gossip. Unless the crimes are all pleaded out, a series of trials may drag the name of Resonate into the media for months or years to come.
Resonate Indy was already in a crisis before Amanda was killed. The prayer session Instagram from Ohio (with Davey kneeling on the floor in the huddle in a disused hotel room) signifies dire straits.
With a dire need for PN to reinvest, DB is ready to grovel. The church is a religious mafia, another form of gang. Perry is Don. Davey kisses his ring. O what a giant is PN!
Like every mafia and every church, NS and Resonate hit on citizens not only for "tithes" but also to build power. They target young people and children so as to inculcate loyalty before maturity and critical thinking set in. This not unique to their enterprises. All churches run Sunday schools and youth groups.
The power these enterprises seek works through control over family relations. This is not down-low homosexuality, it's Pauline misogyny (woman hating). It may be fringed and tainted by disowned homosexuality and by hidden child abuse, but the key to it lies in making males lord of the family, so the church can operate through a male hierarchy.
No wonder PN undercut the person who said their favorite movie was "Titanic." For him the moral of it is, never rely on a woman.
You may be right Concerned; and BadJuJu and Bobcat and Bingo and others. I hope you are. If for no other reason I hope Amanda's family someday gets to see what a sick and disgusting control freak their daughter was living with while they sat back and did nothing but ignore all the signs and signals. Literally, this girl had no one to turn too. NO ONE. Even her babysitter dirtied on her in the end.
As for their filthy porn addict habits doing them in; didn't preacher Nobel's habit already surface, and Davey's too; and it did nothing to stop them? Even their wives go along with this filth? THESE are Godly men? They are ALL disgusting; wives too for allowing them to stand before congregations and deceive gullible people AND CHILDREN to their own detriment. ABB
Rosy @408
Amazing post! I enjoy your thinking! Thank you
Excellent thoughts Rosy. Excellent. Could be more true than you realize. ABB
Bingo 4:01,
Amanda's death is also a "story" to Davey and his friend Kenneth Wagner. At least PN calls is what it is - a tragedy.
Rosy @ 4:08,
I wish I had your brain and writing skills! Excellent!!
BadJuju @ 9:36 & 9:56,
I forgot about the burglars hanging around in the neighbors house, 'waiting' for DB to leave for the gym. The convenient coincidences in this supposedly random case are still all too much for me. My calling DBs attire "gay street slut" may have been OTT, but I don't know any happily married with children hetero guys in their 20s who dress or groom like he does. He grooms himself like a queen who is always ready for action.
Really great posts and evaluations guys. I really don't know much about Perry Noble so I can't say a lot except it is time to turn in the hat, t-shirts, tight jeans and white sneakers and exchange them for some khaki's and a button down. Middle age has arrived and your youth is now in the rear view mirror. Sorry, man!
I agree Rosy it must have been an evaluation. The sermon was really not very flashy or controversial if he was trying to draw new interest in Resonate. Davey was pathetically desperate to have PN think this was a thriving, life-changing church full of unending potential. Does he want PN to make a new investment? Did the t-shirt sales not bring in enough revenue? What about all the tax-free donations? The story continues to play and I have a feeling it is just not going to end well for Davey.
I have no idea what preacher Nobel was up too, but it seems to me that if his only mission to ResonateIndy was to evaluate Davey, he didn't have to blow a whole Sunday of entertaining his own rich congregation to do it. All he would need to do is request a show of Davey's books, debts, assets & liabilities and bank balances.
I think there was more going on there. Had to be. Just to appease Davey who is obviously now at Nobels' mercy and in a book-licking brown-nosing 'begging for mercy' crunch? I question if this was the underlying reason? Ha... but there are some smart posters here! One of you will figure it out. ABB
"BOOT-Licking..." Ta da... He's got it coming. ABB
That's because that's what he is, Bobcat: A q---r queen ready for action, which is what he always was. I don't know how much more obvious it could have been, to everyone but trusting and broken hearted, good-wife, gullible sweet Amanda.
All he needs now is a sugar-daddy. Maybe he already has one? Preacher Nobel, per chance? And there we are; right back to actions speak louder than words. ABB
Yep. yer welcome.
Excellent comments, folks!
Bingo, I think you're so right about PN not seeming into Davey. He had such a blank "shut up and let me talk" look on his face. Davey seems to feel some kind of power when he doesn't relinquish the stage after PN is introduced.
I really don't get why anyone would show up weekly to hear either of these clowns!
I couldn't stand to watch all of it but I laughed out loud at Davey making sure lots of people stood up. He was just short of saying, "If you drove here in a car today, stand up!" If they actually had anywhere close to 300, I imagine PN's people called in some favors. I've always felt the 100+ owner/members Davey claimed to have was an exaggerated number, perhaps counting babies and rounding up the number!
And those "salvations" they claim: I read on Pajama Pages that they have the same people counted as new believers and being baptized over and over. They're Barnum & Bailey pitchmen, in my opinion.
O.k., I typically don't comment on what people choose to wear to Church. I get that some pastors want to leave the stuffed shirt pastor look behind because some people have had bad church experiences and have trouble relating to a suited/robed/collared guy.
Having read the comments here, I went to see what Perry Noble's outfit was all about. For a 40-something, the outfit's way over the top. I would expect that if he was doing a parody of some type. Aside from that, he's either trying to hard to be "relevant" (and looking "ridic" to millenials), having a serious mid-life crisis facing middle age and a changing body, or advertising to a specific sub-culture (disenfranchised hipsters or skater-boys). If it's mid-life crisis, that's really sad and the wife who loved him needs to gently tell him so and get him some help. If it's not, it's just ridiculously manipulative and he needs a different kind of help.
On a side note, Davey builds Perry Noble up like he's Jesus and Resonate owes their undying devotion and their souls to Noble. The last time I checked, wasn't it supposed to be Jesus they were following and giving their all to (What will you give up for God?). Davey was doing some serious bowing at Noble's feet...all the while commanding center stage and making Noble wait...too funny. "Once a narcissist, ...".
Bingo3 at 4:01 PM Jan. 19 said...
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"I thought it was strange how Davey said 4 1/2 years ago we came to awaken the city and brought this church up out of nothing. CD, you have 120 members! It is still nothing and you didn't awaken the city. I guess your still holding on hope."
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Bingo3- You hit the nail on the head. In spite of all the marketing blitzes and programs, the high energy shock-jock sermon style, the techie videos/website/SM connections, and the in with the public school system (substitute teaching and coaching)to garner the youth, 120 or so "shareholders" is not a lot to show for 4 1/2 yrs of effort (particularly in a city the size of Indy). Resonate hasn't exactly taken the city by storm. Like you, I don't see this ending well For Davey.
In our significantly smaller and well-saturated 'burg, we've seen churches easily grow to and exceed 300 within 5 years (even with one local founding pastor sincerely repenting for an affair and relinquishing his church to an older, more experienced stable pastor). There's clearly "something not right about Davey" as Perry Noble put it and that's why Resonate isn't growing as anticipated...I think people sense that, can't quite put their finger on it, and don't come/return/stay.
Davey seemed almost desperate and clearly Perry's investment was heavy on his mind. He was outright fawning and subservient; and doggedly determined to show Perry he could still command a crowd of followers, whipping the team into a pep-rally frenzy. I'm guessing Davey's leadership position is in somewhat desperate straits. The marketing strategies and teaching style NewSprings typically employs clearly aren't effectively working the standard measurable increasing return on Noble's investment. IMO, Davey made a PR nightmare of Amanda's death with "Nothing is Wasted' and "The Best Is Yet To Come". He had to be instructed by Noble and company to curb the "campaign slogans" and at least try to look like a mourning, grieving husband for a few weeks. Essentially, he was becoming a liability in the pulpit, thanks to SM "trolls". LOL Lay low for a 4-6 weeks and hopefully John Q. Public will move on to the next news story. New Year= new game plan (fawn all over the mentor we're indebted to and maybe he'll let me keep my job)? This should get interesting as I predict we'll see Davey try to out-maneuver and manipulate Perry Noble. Just my opinions.
Great post Fools! It is like Davey is trying to look like Steven Furtick and trying to sound like a combo of both Noble and Furtick. But the problem is no matter what anyone can say about these two guys and their mega millions, they are actually pretty good preachers.( I am not saying I agree with all they say and I really haven't watched them very much, but they certainly can communicate to an audience.) Davey is not a good preacher! He is actually really bad. Being a bad preacher, combined with narcissism and neediness is just such a nasty combo! I don't think for a minute if it weren't for the lovely Amanda,PN would have ever sent them to Indy. (I also think Davey being young and good looking, PN thought he could draw a crowd) Moving on to Indy, Davey somehow had the illusion that he could be the next mega pastor that could awaken the city of Indy. Not only did it not happen, it didn't happen big! Before his wife was buried, he made the statement that the church must go on, advertised in the obituary and seemed to show by his behavior that this may be his big break. Nothing is Wasted and The Best is Yet to Come spilling out in everything he wrote and said. He was downright giddy in his interviews and speaking at his FIL church. It is time for the biggest revival in all of America and oh my gosh, finally my chance to be the next Perry Noble! (or maybe even bigger) It is like watching An American Megachurch Tragedy playing out in front of our eyes.
From Concerned:
Bingo, I think you're so right about PN not seeming into Davey. He had such a blank "shut up and let me talk" look on his face. Davey seems to feel some kind of power when he doesn't relinquish the stage after PN is introduced.
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I so agree on the above and that is so funny! Davey just couldn't give up the stage and I think PN's "something is not right with the guy-Crazy Davey meter" went way up! Ha!
And the desperately calling people to stand up! Oh my,my,my.
Ok last post!
From Fools:
In spite of all the marketing blitzes and programs, the high energy shock-jock sermon style, the techie videos/website/SM connections, and the in with the public school system (substitute teaching and coaching)to garner the youth, 120 or so "shareholders" is not a lot to show for 4 1/2 yrs of effort (particularly in a city the size of Indy). Resonate hasn't exactly taken the city by storm. Like you, I don't see this ending well For Davey.
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Exactly right, Fools. The church is an illusion. The website alone is a really sophisticated website, then the twitter, FB, instagram accts all make it seem like a thriving church. If you were just to see the social media stuff you would think it was a 1000 member church. I believe you, Concerned and others are right that they round up and count every child and baby. I go to a large church, not a megachurch with tons of campuses, but a rather large church. We have about 20-30 couples in our SS class. If you were just to take our SS class and all of our kids it would be about 120-150 people. No way our class could support a church, build that fancy website, support a pastor salary and bring that kind of equipment not to mention pay any kind of rent. 120 people is equivalent to about maybe 25-30 tithing families. I don't see how they support themselves. I bet you anything PN took a look at DB financial records. DB just with the church alone has to be flat broke!
Of course he's broke, Bingo. This is why Amanda was picking up, refinishing and reselling broken down furniture off the side of the road and wherever else she could round it up cheaply; there she was breathing in toxic fumes and her pregnant; however, she needed money while Davey was continuing to run around drinking coffee all day at Starbucks and flexing his muscles at the gym while running up their charge cards that they could not afford, but no sneak peek at their credit rating?
Meanwhile they continued to take trips and make videos they could not afford. Just that trip to Cincinnati alone cost them a pretty penny on somebody's credit cards. Even tho there's nothing grand about going to Cinci, taking a long week-end in Cinci is not cheapo. AND all their other costly trips; at whose expense? Traveling isn't free. Oh well, moving on.
It is time for me (past time) to move on. Other, smarter ones than I am have already moved on. I have spent a lot of time here, too much time, when I have way more to be doing than hammering out Davey & Nobel's lifestyle and xposing them as fake leaders of their flocks. They ALL need to get jobs working at the local carwash, or sweeping the laundromat, which is about all they are qualified to do, and stop misleading poor souls to hell with their false doctrines; but I don't think anything any of us has to say will make one iota of difference in their lifestyles. However they manage to accomplish it, they are riding the gravy train and loving it. God will have to deal with them.
I wanted to thank those of you who have befriended me, and thank all those for their research and for their work in transcribing posts. Inasmuch as I am a successful delegator, this worked well for me, and I thank you all. I may drop in to read from time to time, but I'd actually like to move on as I don't see anything coming down the road as it concerns Davey Blackburn ever being investigated or brought to justice in Amanda's murder; OR in exposing his deviate sexuality.
I hope I'm wrong; but did we ever see anything accomplished in either Billy Jean or Shawn Adkins being arrested in Haley's murder, or in Ronald Cummings ever being investigated and prosecuted in little Haleigh's murder, who is as guilty as a jailhouse rat but never even considered as a suspect; or in anyone ever being brought to justice in JonBenet's murder; AND so many more.
No, we did not no matter how much we analyzed, investigated, and poured our hearts into it. We never did see anyone brought to justice in Caylee Anthony's murder either, not even the Anthony's prosecuted for their many perjuries. I don't see it happening here either. Unfortunately, very sad; when considering every angle and knowing in my heart that he IS guilty; again, I hope I'm wrong.
Wishing you well; good luck and God bless you all. Sincerely, ABB
Been out of the country for a while. I'm sure everybody has seen this, correct?
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/01/14/third-suspect-charged-murder-amanda-blackburn-case/78810812/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=
ABB - Do you have a youtube account? If so, it'd be great to stay in touch via youtube. I don't do well with emails, but would love to stay in touch. Thanks for always speaking your mind, whether I agreed with it or not, it was refreshing to have someone who wasn't full of fear to post EXACTLY what was on their mind. So sick of the politically correct angle.
I thought the same as you pertaining to Ronald and Misty Cummings. But you're right, we'll never have the answers and most likely won't get the answers with this case either.
I hope you stay the strong, feisty, hilarious and outspoken person you are and that you have a great 2016! It's been a pleasure reading your posts and getting to know you a bit via the net. Take care of yourself!
BB,
The WishTV coverage offered more insights into the arrest:
"Initially prosecutors charged Taylor and Watson with murder, but Gordon was being held on a parole violation.
However, on Thursday prosecutors decided to charge Gordon with Blackburn’s murder as well. He is also facing a charge of burglary, theft and robbery resulting in serious bodily injury.
The Marion County Prosecutor’s Office did not give a reason why the charges on Gordon came later. Prosecutors did give insight why Gordon is facing murder charges despite not pulling the trigger.
“If you participate in commission of a felony both a robbery and a burglary then you are held responsible for the actions of the person that pulled the trigger, and that is the theory we are working with under here,” said Marion County Prosecutor Supervisor Ryan Mears.
According to sources within IMPD, Gordon stop cooperating with prosecutors about the details of the case, and he refused to testify against Taylor and Watson. Sources within IMPD, say this decision by Gordon resulted in him being charged with murder.
When PN referenced his wife's name "Lucretia" and had to "clear" it up by stating she was white. Who cares? What was that all about? As a Pastor of a church, I would think that would be the last thing he would want to "clear up". But it does speak volumes about his paranoia and obvious prejudice he carries.
Anonymous ABB said ....
at 10:21 AM
Just that trip to Cincinnati alone cost them a pretty penny on somebody's credit cards. Even tho there's nothing grand about going to Cinci, taking a long week-end in Cinci is not cheapo. AND all their other costly trips; at whose expense? Traveling isn't free. Oh well, moving on.
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ABB I will be sorry you see you go unless you leave the door open so that if anything strikes you, you will return and set it down.
Yes, the trip to Cincinnati four days before Amanda was murdered bears examining. And in thinking through your comments and more, beyond cost another aspect pops up. Did this trip to Cincinnati preempt Amanda from taking Weston on the trip to Yosemite and San Francisco?
That trip to a beautiful part of the country was to introduce the new grandchildren to Phil's parents and other family out West. Amanda's sister and sister-in-law took their children. How would the trip to Cincinnati override the trip to California? Which was planned first?
Also, did A and D take Weston to Cincinnati or leave him with a babysitter? Was the house on the cul de sac left empty?
Then, beyond family, was Resonate leadership team fully clued into reasons for the Cincinnati retreat? Were they allowed to speak freely or did rules against gossip clamp down? Were they there because Resonate was on the brink of collapse?
How sad is it that AB felt a need to say "That she was sorry for ever making this life about herself, and that she was willing to do whatever Jesus wanted her to do so that lives could be eternally impacted."
Shrinking down their core experience to a "huddle" in a bare, derelict hotel gym in a city not their own smacks of cult formation. A keynote for this huddle, self-blame. "Sorry for ever making this life about herself." What an abject statement for a 28 y/o woman, wife, mother to feel divinely guided to make in that ugly space.
In view of Resonate's failure to sky-rocket, was she blaming herself for wanting, back in 20012, to return to Indianapolis, closer to her family? Was the trip to Cincinnati (instead of flying to California) a nudge toward letting go of Indy and her family to start over from bare nothing like the floor on which DB so dramatically knelt in prayer?
Be well, ABB. Don't give up faith in justice.
Rosy, I believe it was Davey's parents who watched Weston when they went to Cinc. I want to say I heard it in one of his video's waiting on the train. I'll see if I can find it later.
Mdkd6262 said...
at 12:58 PM
Resonate Indy Church 1801 E 86th St (Also location of Eastwood Middle School/North Central High School)
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Thanks for your maps. One correction. Northview Middle School, 8401 Westfield Blvd, is the site of the church. It is reached from 86th St. through the parking lot of North Central High School, 1801 E 86th St. Several gang members came up through North Central High and ID with it (e.g. Alonzo).
Eastwood Middle School, 4401 at E 62nd St, is not the Resonate location but is it where DB coached? Do some Eastwood pupils go on to attend North Central High?
"We meet every week at Northview Middle School located at 86th Street and Westfield Blvd. Enter at the North Central High School entrance off 86th Street and follow the drive to the side entrance of Northview Middle School. Don’t worry, you won’t able to miss the Resonate Signs directing you where you need to go."
Yes Mdkd, I have looked at the neighborhood many times, thank you. I also have a copy of the unredacted affidavit on my tablet that I have read more times than I can count.
Someone was home at the first burglary that day (as well as in the rape case). What makes you so sure they had to be confident nobody was home at the second that day? (Until they were inside ... obviously at that point they were certain nobody was home.)
They DID take something more valuable than oranges at the second burglary -- four televisions, a Macbook Pro and a Tiffany necklace. What other valuable objects do you suppose the homeowner had that would be A) easy to carry and B) easy to sell or pawn? (They also stole a Uverse remote control.) How much more could they carry? You don't know that they left something more valuable in favor of the oranges.
Why would hired hitmen hang around the empty house OR the Blackburn house as long as they did? Can you find any example of other hired hit cases where the suspects broke in houses getting caught on camera all over the place prior to carrying out their hit? Or sat in a neighbor's house leaving their DNA on beer bottles prior to carrying out a hit? AND hung around the location of the hit while some left, then they came back, all caught on video? (Then left their slobbery face cover with DNA on it in the stolen car next to the ATM receipts for cards stolen from their "hit"?) This was not carefully orchestrated.
Besides, where else were they gonna go at that time of the morning? I'm sure their hoodlum friends were mostly asleep. I doubt they had a plan, and the empty home gave them an opportunity to figure out where to go next while getting a free buzz. Perhaps they were just waiting for Cheese to roll out of bed?
Larry Taylor is accused of murdering a man on a road where he was just as far from escape as the Blackburn home. Candletree Circle ... check the map. Did you check out how far back in a winding neighborhood the first burglary was that morning? San Clemente Drive is a dead end ... check it out and count how many other houses they passed on that one. I see a pattern here.
Burglars target cul-de-sacs all the time. Google "burglars target cul-de-sacs" and hit the news tab. I can't post links myself right now because I have to get my son off the bus in a sec.
(As an aside, it's interesting that in the first burglary that morning, the camera shows that one of the suspects remained in the doorway. Keeping watch, perhaps? Maybe my suggestion that someone was keeping watch during the second burglary isn't as silly as some thought.)
Gotta go for now.
Kate said...
at 2:17 PM
I believe it was Davey's parents who watched Weston when they went to Cinc. I want to say I heard it in one of his video's waiting on the train. I'll see if I can find it later.
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Are you thinking of A and D's marriage renewal getaway weekend trip by train to Chicago in early November (photo there in his 30th birthday, Nov 2)?
By November 4 Amanda's parents, sister, bother James and sister-in-law, and 2 of the babies were all in San Francisco. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10205346005067393&set=t.1407078865&type=3&theater
They were at a lodge in Yosemite when news broke Nov 10 that Amanda was in hospital.
So the California trip began before the trip to Cincinnati (photo Nov 6) and lasted longer. Why did Amanda turn down the chance to take Weston along with the other "new" grandsons to meet her Dad's family? Her mother also is originally from California. Not like the "sunny" side of herself to miss that trip.
Anonymous rosy said...
Kate said...
at 2:17 PM
I believe it was Davey's parents who watched Weston when they went to Cinc. I want to say I heard it in one of his video's waiting on the train. I'll see if I can find it later.
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Ooops! Got it now, you're saying Davey's parents and I heard/read Amanda's parents. Still, did they take Weston down to Davey's parents (or the parents come up) just for a trip to Cincinnati? Weston was with them immediately before the trip to Chicago (Hallow e'en pics as The Incredibles). Did Davey's parents take him before the weekend in Chicago and keep him till after Cincinnati? Was their marriage and/or the church in such trouble that they chose train to Chicago then (road trip?) to Cincinnati over a trip to SF and Yosemite?
BadJuJu at 2:24
The threesome walked to the first burglary (believe it was within their own apartment complex - not sure) and stole a car, driving to the next burglaries. I don't remember where I read that but it was either reported by news or in the pc document.
You're right, Anon ... my mistake. They did walk to the first burglary, it's in the affidavit. But it's still a dead-end, and they robbed an apartment and stole a car.
Mdkd6262 said...
at 12:58 PM
there had to be something that motivated them to choose those particular homes on that particular day at that particular time.
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I do wonder if motivation or at least information to account for why the three of them broke into homes on that cul de sac involves legal social services.
At least 3 households on Sunnyfield and probably more were involved in "helping" disadvantaged and possibly criminal youth or had some contact.
1) The neighbor whose house was empty had recently achieved a legal degree and a year or two before was in proximity to a crime that involved a gun. This neighbor has mentioned moving to Sunnyfield to get away from the area where this previous brush with crime occurred.
2) The neighborhood watchman works for a organization serving people with substance abuse problems and related health issues.
3) DB and AB did outreach ministry work with adults and young people with troubles in their lives.
Larry Taylor Jr and his girl have had substance abuse troubles since around grade eight. Countless others around them, named and unnamed in the Affidavit, were in the same boat. His girl's grandfather in Michigan, military background, has worked in law enforcement and/or jail services and is religious. Larry T has someone similar in his background, I think (lost the reference).
Also, on the first burglary, when they left Alonzo's apartment on Brendan Way West Drive, they actually walked further into the apartment complex, closer to the dead end, to rob that apartment ... not closer to an escape route. Seems dumb. Like everything else they do.
Yes, Mdkd, but how do you know they didn't decide to hang around that house AFTER discovering it was empty?
How do you know the resident of the second burglary owned power tools or had any small electronics in the house?
I know about hitmen lying in wait, but do hitmen usually TRY to get busted? Why would Davey go through so much trouble planning this then hire a bunch of idiots to do it? If they get caught, it greatly increases the chances the person who hired them would get caught, too, either through records of their communication with the hitmen or because the hitmen roll over. And they were caught like ten different ways.
How is Candletree Circle no comparison just because it's apartments? It's still in the back of the apartment complex.
How do you explain why they walked from Alonzo's to further back in that apartment complex tobrob someone instead of walking toward the entrance, where escape would be easier?
Mdkd, I already suggested they were hanging out while they figured out what to do next. Maybe their phone records show they were calling and texting people looking for somewhere to go and/or somewhere to stash/sell their loot, and they saw an opportunity to easily steal more stuff when Davey left without locking the door.
In the probable cause affidavit for the rape/burglary, it says they left stolen property at someone's house and came back later to retrieve it. They also sold the rape victim's laptop to the occupants.
(I'd love to know whose house it was, but I've never seen an unredacted copy of that affidavit. At first I thought Alonzo and Donae, but there's a g, p, q or y sticking out under the black mark across the name, so I don't think it was them.)
In the affidavit for Amanda's murder etc., the cooperating individual says Taylor was dropped off a few miles away with the stolen goods, then the other two dumped the stolen car.
They had to have a place to stash their goods so they could get rid of the car.
I still wonder if the mystery SUV was someone who came to pick up the larger items (like TVs). The affidavit says Taylor was carrying his loot in a bag when he was dropped off. It's hard to imagine getting four TVs into a bag.
Small electronics often leave the house with people -- phones, tablets, etc. They stole small electronics that were available -- laptops -- from all three burglary victims that day. They stole a dang remote control from the second house where they got the oranges ... seems to me that house was lacking other valuable small electronic items.
Bad Juju said...
at 5:41 PM
they saw an opportunity to easily steal more stuff when Davey left without locking the door.
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I don't think they *saw* this. We cannot assume they saw him leave the house. Taking stock of the neighborhood map provided (above) today, ot 31 does not have sight lines onto the front of lot 28
http://www.woodsofnorthkessler.org/map.php
They may seen him drive by after the he left the house.
However, even with direct eye view of his front door, they would not necessarily see him fail to LOCK the door. If the lock was electronic, he would not have to stand on the doorstep using keys. I believe someone has mentioned a security panel inside the Blackburns' home. So, just by seeing him leave the house without using a key from the outside would not tell them the house was unlocked. To find out someone would have had to walk to the house and try the door.
According to CI in Affidavit, this is what Larry Taylor did.
Fair enough, Rosy ... we don't know what kind of lock they have.
Either way, I think he saw him leave one way or the other. Even the police think so. I guess what's important is whether they saw him leave by chance or they were waiting for him to leave.
Apologies for typos. MY keyboard is dissolving.
This tweet is interesting considering one blogger predicted Resonate would become a subsidiary of PN's Newspring church.
daveyblackburn
daveyblackburn – @daveyblackburn
Leadership is INFLUENCE not a POSITION
11:01 AM - 20 Jan 2016
I read the comments much more than I post. I love hearing everyone's thoughts and ideas. Just when I feel confident about my opinion on this case someone posts something to make me reevaluate my thinking. I honestly am on the fence with DB. I lean more toward guilty but stranger things have happened. He may just be a creepy guy whose life has a lot of coincidences. Not typical but possible. I just have so many more unanswered questions than answered. I just know from watching tv programs that burglars, good ones, want to get in and get out with as little interrupting as possible. That doesn't mean there won't be burglars that are lazy or careless. But police did claim that they thought they were good at what they did. I see it as being very bold. I'm a good person so I don't know what goes through the mind of an evil person. Back to good burglars. They don't want homes with dogs. They don't want people home. They also go in and get what they need quickly and get out. I used to watch a short lived show on discovery channel called it takes a thief. They were past criminals who showed home owners what they were doing wrong in protecting their home from crime. Most of the episodes were like I stated already. In and out quick. They'd look for easy entry and most would be through a house so fast it was unreal. These guys are the opposite. Either they were there for a reason or they just didn't care if they got caught.
Pak31 said
at 10:17PM
Either they were there for a reason or they just didn't care if they got caught.
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Yes, exactly. Were they so drugged up? I described to a young acquaintance how they appear to have spent their time in the neighbor's house and he laughed and said, Chillin'. I laughed, but really, do burglars do that? Sit chillin' as dawn breaks?
Let's remember that the investigators who met with Peter about the case had never seen a burglary at this time of day.
Concerned I haven't forgotten. I believe Amanda's death was an orchestrated hit, carefully scheduled along with other crimes to seem random.
Rosy said....
at 6:41pm
However, even with direct eye view of his front door, they would not necessarily see him fail to LOCK the door. If the lock was electronic, he would not have to stand on the doorstep using keys. I believe someone has mentioned a security panel inside the Blackburns' home. So, just by seeing him leave the house without using a key from the outside would not tell them the house was unlocked. To find out someone would have had to walk to the house and try the door.
According to CI in Affidavit, this is what Larry Taylor did.
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So Larry Taylor walked up to the Blackburn's front door on the chance that it might be unlocked because he *might* have seen Davey leave in his car (risking his being seen by all the people leaving for work or out running or whatever) - whether he just took the opportunity or whether he was waiting for him to leave. . .
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It had been made clear to him in advance that that certain front door, out of all of the other doors on that cul-de-sac, would be unlocked and there would be no resistance when he tried to open it.
Either of these scenarios make more sense than just randomly trying doors throughout the neighborhood. . . but burglars don't usually go to the front doors where they are visible. In the other burglaries that morning, entry was made through one of the rear entrances. . .
. . . which raises the question, even if Larry Taylor had just noticed Davey drive away and thought this might be another nice house to hit - why would he use the front door instead of going around to the back and being more hidden.
I think he knew it was going to be unlocked.
"daveyblackburn
daveyblackburn – @daveyblackburn
Leadership is INFLUENCE not a POSITION
11:01 AM - 20 Jan 2016"
It sounds like DB may have lost his position, and is reassuring himself what a great leader he is.
I don't think the drunkest, dumbest, most stoned burglar would walk up to the front door of a house on a cul de sac assuming it would be unlocked and he could just walk in.
Yes, Bobcat and Flightfulbird! Totally planned and staged to look random, IMO!
And it sure does sound like PN had a little chat with Davey and he's being promoted into "Influence". High time!
I imagine Davey will soon announce that he's moving near his parents or Amanda's for Weston's sake. Whatever would happen to Meg?!
ABB- You addressed a very valid point that had been overlooked. Who was funding the trips? Not just Chicago and Cincinnati, but free Chick-Fil-A for 100 students, Starbucks coffee boxes for the middle school teachers, the Wii game system, the NFL tickets,etc.?
rosy @ 2:34 Pm Jan. 20- This was really a very good observation based on what Amanda's family and friends have said in describing Amanda, as well as her own Instagram and Twitter posts about her family.
"So the California trip began before the trip to Cincinnati (photo Nov 6) and lasted longer. Why did Amanda turn down the chance to take Weston along with the other "new" grandsons to meet her Dad's family? Her mother also is originally from California. Not like the "sunny" side of herself to miss that trip."
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Adding on here that with Amanda being twelve weeks pregnant, it would have been an ideal time to share that family news as well with the relatives at this gathering. So, I have to wonder too why would Amanda turn that down. Lack of funds? Maybe, but it seems like her parents would be the type to offer to pay for her & Weston (not that Davey & Amanda would necessarily accept though). The Resonate Leadership weekend? It could have been done without Amanda. I'm wondering if Amanda wanted to go on the California family trip and that's what she was "confessing" with her statement being "Sorry for ever making this life about myself." It just seems really odd that they go to a marriage renewal weekend, followed by a church planning weekend, she's murdered less than a week later, and Resonate starts the New Year having their principal investor and backer checking on the return on his investment (Davey's words).
Funny thing I just realized going back over Davey's Twitter account. He announces the salvation counts and baptism counts with great fanfare addressed to "Resonators"...yet he utterly fails to give God/Jesus the credit. He may say so-and-so met Jesus, but he doesn't thank God or Jesus in these celebratory tweets. The credit goes to Resonate Indy. Promotion.
Okay, Try as I might to move on, I took a little peek in here this morning; I noticed: Anyone who still questions Dave's involvement; I think you have already answered your own questions. This can only add up to the entrance into the front door of the Blackburn home was no coincidence, it was previously arranged. Had to be. So was the break-in at the neighbors home.
First, the culprits KNEW this neighbor would not be getting back home for another hour. How did they know? Simple; at least one of them had been instructed. As pre arranged, they tackled this one first while waiting and watching for Davey to leave. Davey was delayed, not leaving for 41 minutes later than he usually left, so there they sit cooling their heels, drinking and waiting.
They were deliberately sent to this home FIRST, a clear vantage point, while watching for Davey to leave. They could have done all they did in that house in five to ten minutes, loaded up and gotten on up the road; they didn't. As arranged, they waited. Finally Davey leaves, leaving the front door unlocked as previously arranged.
So what was Davey doing in that house for so long that morning? THAT is the million $ question. For a certainty, there was no bible study going on there that morning! Simple answer: Something evil. However/whatever he did; he disabled Amanda and left her unable to defend herself. 1) If she had been able too, she would have already locked that door behind Davey when he left. She wasn't able to get to the door and there she lay as the burglars entered the home; full prey to their further abuse. It is entirely likely that Davey staged her position and took her ATM himself, met up with them along the trail and gave it to them WITH the pin #. Whether he did or he didn't, IMO, he set up the initial staging.
Or 2) Since we don't have x-ray eyes; the fact is, we don't know what all Davey did to Amanda that morning, but SOMETHING awful was going on in that house to make Davey so late in leaving as had been pre arranged. Or 3) With Davey storming out after having just had a physical altercation with her, she may have been on her way to lock the door herself when the burglars entered. However, fearing being connected to the crime, not all of them wanted to rape or shoot her, they just wanted what they came there to get, so they left hot-head Taylor behind to do the dirty work. Finally, they have to go way back over to Blackburn's to get Taylor, and did.
We can look for excuses and weak answers and speculate until kingdom come that it could have been this way or it could have been that way, but however this all came about, it is clear as a bell (at least to ME) That Davey Blackburn set up Amanda's murder HIMSELF.
Nothing else makes sense here: It is my belief that Davey was the instigator and the initial assailant in Amanda's murder. Davey knew plenty of people, through other people, who could easily kill Amanda and make himself look as innocent as a little lamb being led to the slaughter, and this is exactly what he did. It only cost him $400 bucks to get the matter taken care of. Poor Amanda. I do believe she looked into the face of her killer that morning and it was her own husband; who in fact, may be the one who initially shot and disabled her. ABB
P.S.. I wanted to mention that these two homes being on the far backside of a cul-de-sac are the most likely ones to be robbed in any neighborhood. This is because there is less and less traffic on the streets that are furthest away from the entrance into the neighborhood with fewer chances that burglerers will be seen. These homes usually sell quicker because of the privacy they offer due to less traffic on these streets, but this can be good or bad. In this case, bad.
I am so glad to see so many new posts and especially opinions on what happened that morning. ABB, (and most all of you!!) I am in complete agreement with everything you just said. (except the cul-de-sac, I don't think that would be the place where robbers rob especially this house that was 80+ houses back?) I too believe he did something first. I think he was late getting out of the house because of what happened. The guys had to wait on him, otherwise they would have been in and out of the first house in like 10 minutes. I think the first house was indeed set up by Davey in sharing the occupant would be gone and it would make him look innocent. I don't think the police really believe it was a crime of opportunity as stated at the press conference. I still think they are on to him and want him to think he is off the hook.
It is the most incredible thing that none of these neighbors called 911. How many signs were there that something wrong was going on there! Several, even with one hearing two shots being fired, another hearing a woman scream, and other warnings, all ignored. How many signals did these idiots need that all was not well at the Blackburn home! THEY had a neighborhood watch and even had security meetings among themselves? My God, how careless and awful does this get! Did these idiots think they would have to 'pay' if they called 911 and it turned out to be a mistake?
(Maybe this doesn't pertain to Amanda's murder, but still I come back to my theory of many years; never trust anyone but yourself, or fully to do anything correctly but yourself. What you can't think or do for yourself leaves you very vulnerable; never lay your life or anything else on the line trusting someone else to do for you. Yes, there are jobs where we hire others and delegate someone else to do for us, we have too; but trusting someone else with your life or your money, or even a job well done, or with total honesty and fidelity, is a very stupid mistake to make. Never forget, there is no such thing as a 'soul mate'; no one can think with you or for you, or can get inside your head OR you in THEIRS, but Jesus Christ; depending on WHO they are following and even then you don't always know. Make your OWN decisions. It will be YOU picking up the broken pieces. Or not).
I read a comment made above, I suppose by Davey? "Leadership is influence not a position." What a stupid thing to say! Leadership is power, it is influence, and it IS a position. It is gained through knowledge and experience and is held by those who delegate authority but hold the reins tighter, by those who manage their own affairs both in business and in their personal lives, it is influence on others whose paths they cross, take control over and hold onto, and it IS a position. Fool. Such a fool.
As to why Amanda did not take the California trip; IMO it was because they were flat broke and the charge cards were over the top except maybe the one Davey used at the gym which had a max limit. Ditto for the debit card, which was not a credit card. Davey would have forbidden Amanda to discuss their bad financial situation with any member of her family or outside the home; he was living the life of Mr. Big Spender among his little circle, charging it up here and there, treating others to this and that. NO WAY would this inflated ego want this known outside the home.
Guarantee you their credit was shot to hell and it was a card from Nobel's office he had been using, charging it off to Nobel's account, (given to him and approved by Nobel himself), but NO WAY would Davey be able to justify Amanda making a personal trip to California at Nobel's expense. Ha.... this fool must think he's got everyone fooled. NOT. Poor Amanda, she must have been deeply disappointed when she could not make that trip, which is probably what led her to repent for being 'selfish' after being made to feel so bad by Davey. Lo-life b'stard.
However, I still have not put it into perspective as to why Nobel made that trip down to Davey's pitiful little church group. It makes no sense to me whatsoever, when he could pull the plug on Davey at any minute just based on a quick look at his books, info that could have been faxed to him in one hour. There HAS to be more going here than meets the eye. YET. There IS a sneaky underlying reason rich sugar daddy, non-God fearing preacher Nobel went up there. Seriously. ABB
Still thinking about the db, mg, ab triangle. The timing of everything all seems too convenient. Ab "broke news" to db about pregnancy, mg sudden move back to sc around same time. I don't know what mg's schedule was like when she lived there, but I'd be willing to bet she wouldn't be out and about at 6am. Just one more coincidence... I remain convinced that mg and db were involved.
From BobCat:
"daveyblackburn
daveyblackburn – @daveyblackburn
Leadership is INFLUENCE not a POSITION
11:01 AM - 20 Jan 2016"
It sounds like DB may have lost his position, and is reassuring himself what a great leader he is
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I will be so curious to see if his position will change. Did he and Perry have a meeting while he was in town? I assume they did but PN is no longer funding or supporting the church. Was there a contract where Davey is to pay PN back? Of course that never happened because he never made any money. (Davey really should have been working this whole time. His church is not a full time need AT ALL!) Is PN forcing him to let his campus become another New Springs? There was some BIG motive for him to come to Indy. It has crossed my mind if possibly PN is part of the investigation? No way Perry is not a little suspicious of CD. He spent half the funeral service talking about his distrust of Davey until he met Amanda (and she made it all ok). He looked very distant toward Davey on stage last Sunday. Hmmmmm. Just speculating but since he had such strong reservations in the beginning maybe he is getting them again. Also him saying "This is a tragedy. There is no other word for it!" PN seemed to have really liked Amanda and he may be getting tired of Davey calling it a conundrum and interruption.
Thanks for your response, Bingo3. Oh yeah, we're definitely traveling on the same path together. Sadly, the outcome for Amanda couldn't have been any other way than a carelessly conceived plot by her own husband to murder her, 'oh so innocently'. I'm not sure however, that LE is watching Davey, or ever did. I don't think so.
Guess I'll have to give you a little lesson in real estate. I see your point, and agree your opinion is what the typical home buyer would think; that the cul-de-sac would be the safest area in the subdivision, but unfortunately, this is not the case in real life. Even in fenced, guard-gated cloistered over-55 communities, the cul-de-sac is the most vulnerable for break-ins, which DO occur there too, even climbing fences to gain isolated entry where they are less likely to be seen or heard. The cul-de-sac is the safest location in the subdivision when there are children who will be outside playing and/or riding their bikes on nearly vacant streets without their parents worrying about speeding traffic, but is still the most vulnerable to break-ins.
It is the best location in any bedroom community for the rapist/thief/robber/burglary. The random rapist/burglar/robber looks for the quietest/darkest home FIRST, typically with woods in the rear they can squat and hide in when they walked in from a different direction other than driving onto that particular street, and can make a quick exit back through those woods without being seen. Generally however, they have already sized up the area.
Bingo3, I have been a licensed realtor and broker in two states for more than 35-yrs. I am not a miz-know-it-all, but I do know my business, otherwise I could not have survived this business. In a different era, maybe the cul-de-sac might have been considered "safe" but this is no longer the case, just as one living in an exclusive, wooded and secluded area is no longer considered safe because it isn't. They are VERY vulnerable areas now. THESE are the facts, Bingo.
It is a sad fact, but it is those areas who have less traffic that could expose the intruder that are the least secure. Sometimes even hi-tech burglar alarms don't discourage the intruder; they can get in and out so fast, being long gone by the time LE arrives. Some of them know exactly how to disarm a burglar alarm from outside and disabling it. Neither are side-by-side, above and under residences safe, as sometimes neighbors notice and just think the owner has asked someone to pick up certain items and won't intrude, not wanting to be a busy-body.
Sad fact, but true. We, or at least I, will divulge this type information when asked, (I think it's only fair), or will ask a buyer right up front, are you sure you want to look in that area, or that building, (it is up to the buyer to satisfy themselves as to the condition of the neighborhood); legally however, realtors are no longer required to voluntarily give this type information in most states, including when someone has been killed in or on a particular parcel or structure; under the theory that we do not sell ghosts or neighborhoods, we sell homes on parcels of real estate.
A murder in a residence leaves a blighted stigma on the property which is unfair to the overall condition of the structure, according to most rulings. Would I want to list Davey's stigmatized, blighted house? NO. Would I? NO. I would not. ABB
The reason I would not want to be involved in selling Davey's home is because I KNOW that demons do exist. Davey is not following either the precepts of Jesus OR God, which means he is following satan, which means he is listening to demons, which defines how he set himself above Jesus in talking directly to God in the shower, (he stupidly thinks!) who gave him a 'new' message'. Nobel too is following satan; didn't he change the ten commandments God gave to Moses? He did.
Oh yes, there ARE spirits on this earth, both good and bad. Anyone who believes there isn't is only kidding themselves, having been totally deceived. They are not hiding in chains in the cemetery, nor were they 'all' driven out of the man by Jesus into the herd of hogs who perished in the sea. And even those, where did they go from there? Spirits do not die, they are very much alive and well.
Technically Amanda died in that house even though technically she did not stop breathing until the next day. Davey lived in that house with his damned evil spirits. I would want nothing to do with it. There wouldn't be a commission high enough for me to touch it. ABB
Bingo, Davey and his 'INFLUENCE' would not have been able to work for me. I would have canned his a'ss within the first few minutes of hearing him speak before a group and would have taken over the meeting myself. In fact, I would not have hired him in the first place.
I hired a q---r office manager once, observing the signals and concluded he was q---r but was willing to go along with it. Big mistake on my part. Not so much because the owner of the building where I had my office suite was q---r himself, and in fact I rather liked him as he made many concessions for me, plus I liked his family; but his maintenance man was also q---r and it was HE who was causing big jealousy flare-ups with the owner of the building that at one point looked like it was going to lead to fighting among the three of them.
BUT the real reason I let him go was because he had to sleep in every morning on a big-ass hangover and was not showing up to open the office like he was supposed to be doing. THEN I learned from the male agents who worked for me how he had been calling them at night, drinking, and trying to put the make on them!!! UNfrik'en believable. Oh.My.God. Most of my agents WERE men, married, with families. They had not told me until after I terminated him because they did not want to upset me. Oh yes, we DO have to be careful who we hire and in what position. ABB
Anon @9:06, I haven't thought much about the triangle Meg may have inserted herself into. It does appear however, that both she and Amanda were in some kind of domestic situation, with her leaving the Blackburn home overnight and Amanda stopping her posting at about the same time.
Something was not right there, that's for durned sure, but I doubt we'll ever get the straight of the story. What I'm wondering is, where is Meg now? I know that she attended a recent Resonate service and was acting as Davey's water girl in waiting; but is she staying there in Davey's house and taking care of little Weston? Does anyone have any idea? ABB
Apparently Meg posted pictures of herself and Weston (the two of them alone) on Instagram - I remember one pic where she is lying on the couch and he is on top of her. We don't have kids so I don't know if it's usual behavior for a nanny or sitter to post pictures of herself or himself with the kids alone (almost as if they were theirs?)
Wishful thinking, or just really bonded with Weston?
These pics were from sometime before the conundrum though, haven't seen such pics since.
FlightfulBird; When was the photo posted; was it before Meg left as Amanda's babysitter or since she passed on? Just curious.
I can't answer your question as there was no Instagram when either of my sons were growing up, no Facebook either. In fact, we did not have computers until they started to college, then the pressure was on to get one. Initially tho, real estate offices did not own their own computers. We were required to rent them from our MLS/RE Board membership connection; called "realtron" but they were not on the interwebs and clients could not link into them. The realtrons went directly into MLS and the RE Board and were manned by the secretaries. For a hefty fee of course. It was archaic but worked for our purposes for quite a while. ABB
Thank you FlightfulBird. I did not see your comment until after I posted mine. BTW, I have enjoyed your posts very much. IMO, you show a lot of good logic and common sense. ABB
ABB, I believe that's lady-in-waiting Meg on the video from this past Sunday where PN spoke at Resonate.
I'd bet anything she's living at the Blackburn house as the "babysitter"!
That is mg in the pn video. It's actually surprised me that not many people seem to be looking at her. She put all her social media accounts on lockdown right after the murder so not much to go on. But the timing of her departure and a few other things seem to be more than coincidental. Also as I've said before, db not saying he loves ab is a big indicator to me that there's another woman involved.
Thanks ABB for the nice words ! I found the pic of Meg on the couch with Weston- this is from Davey's ForIndy twitter page but I seem to remember it from her Instagram as well.
She looks right at home there in August of 2015 already. . .
https://mobile.twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/631936241022337024
I think her Instagram, Twitter and Facebook accounts were made private shortly after "the event", which is interesting in itself. I wish I had link because without it it's just hearsay, but someone on one of the boards showed links to lots of selfies from the past of Meg and Weston together without Amanda or Davey in sight. Someone at that time commented that it seemed that he was her own child.
I probably watch to much crime tv and this case definitely has my imagination on overdrive. Some of my theories on this case really do seem like something from a movie, but I guess sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. I cant help but wonder how far this was planned out. There are so many instances of foreshadowing in past sermons. All play into the story db is spinning about ab putting her fate in God's hands and being willing to give her life to bring more people to God. With all the journal entries and such one could almost buy into it, especially someone desperately seeking something to believe in. Of course true Christians would never believe God would sacrifice a loving mother and her unborn child to bring some misdirected people into this joke of a church. It's sacreligious for db to even make that insinuation. So the crime novelist in me again wonders how far back this goes. I think about the movie "Gone Girl" and how the wife in that novel created a fake journal over time to implicate her husband. Could mg and db have concocted a similar plan. That theory is very far fetched and most likely not the case, but I wouldn't rule it out either. Mg was no stranger to reading and journaling. I also wonder if le ever looked any further into db's FB connection to " Treezy?" They should have at least been able to figure out how long they'd been friends, who friended who, and who unfriended who. I'm still not sure if le is looking into this and keeping investigation extremely close to the best, or if they truly just don't care. It's so very frustrating not knowing.
Anon 4:24, it truly is like a crime novel playing itself out. I have thought about the journals just seeming too perfect too. I often wonder if the real journals left with the computer. Then I think, wouldn't her sister recognize if it wasn't exactly her handwriting or tone? The journal entry about Davey and the getting the best baseball (bat I think?) and how it made him beat everyone else on his team in stats the next year. JUST ODD! As odd as her posting (appears to be the day before she died) about her amazingly incredible studly hubby. Can you imagine how much of this will come out if he is one day arrested and this plays out in a courtroom! Wow! By the way, have any of the stolen items been recovered
flightfulbird said...
These pics were from sometime before the conundrum though, haven't seen such pics since.
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Flightful. Since the conundrum. That is sadly funny! I loved also how Meg posted on her Etsy page. "I am taking a little break this week since my friend died, but come back next week, I am having a huge sell!!" These guys really know how to mourn!
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From ABB:I haven't thought much about the triangle Meg may have inserted herself into. It does appear however, that both she and Amanda were in some kind of domestic situation, with her leaving the Blackburn home overnight and Amanda stopping her posting at about the same time.
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That is very curious that Meg left ministry, moved to Indy(WHY??) It does seem there was some kind of public twitter dispute going on. Did Meg move out of the house and back to SC or did she stay in Indy but just to another location? I don't know if I believe they are romantically involved. I think she would love nothing more but not sure Davey's intentions except to use her. She may just a person that would mesh into whatever he wanted her to be. I bet she worships him and he loves every minute of it. Pure speculation obviously!!
Concerned, ref your post calling Meg a lady in waiting... I know, he hee.... I thought I'd demean her to a water girl on stand by instead. I'm bad sometimes. Really.
I just thought it was nasty of her to stir up trouble with Amanda right when she learned she was pregnant and needed Meg's help more than ever. Who can say what, or if anything was going on between her and Davey at that time. I just know 'something' happened there that was upsetting to Amanda, that's all. ABB
Bingo, I agree with your opinion about Meg and her feelings towards Davey. There HAS to be something there for her to come back to help with little Weston. If she'd have had negative feelings for him she would not have returned.
However, IMO opinion Davey is q---r FIRST, an ac/dc 69'er and hiding it well, or thinks he is. I don't doubt that he will land up with another wife as soon as he sees it fitting, likely one like Meg if not her. Sorry, that's my opinion of this flexing strutting, pretty-boy POS whom I find utterly repugnant. I'd have to puke if I had to kiss him because I wouldn't know where his mouth had been. ABB
I don't know that I'd rule out a sexual relationship. If mg were 5"6" 110 everyone would be all over here with speculations. Appearances just aren't everything. And not to be crude but db would prob put it in a blender. He used ab to help his image, and God only knows what he was getting from mg. From what I've seen of the db/ab relationship, ab was way above home. Maybe not appearance wise, although I don't find db as attractive as many seem to, but definitely socially. Ab seemed very confident in herself and db seems almost desperate to me. Watching his sermons I almost feel sorry for him. So I think mg could have been fulfilling many of his needs, sexual and egotistical. I never doubted she would return to Indy, but I thought she'd have waited a bit longer.
I am leaning a little more toward ABB in I think he seems to have some homosexual tendencies but I just don't know. Amanda may have been the perfect beautiful wife to try to mask those feelings for a while. Maybe he is romantically involved with Meg but I think he may just need someone worship him and babysit his child. He also most importantly needs someone to ceremoniously bring him his stand and water bottle so he can teach the Sunday School class that he calls a church. SMH
Preacher Nobel (or is that NOBLE), leaned a heavy hand and too much responsibility on Amanda when he only approved Davey for starting the IndyResonate group AFTER he met her, admitting openly that he knew Davey was crazy. This was a terrible position to put Amanda in, making HER responsible for Davey's activities, even including his internet porn addiction, AND putting her in the position of making sure the church blossomed.
Knowing that Amanda would not be the preacher there and that Amanda would be under Davey's thumb; this Nobel b'stard himself ought to be struggling with some guilt of his OWN. If he had not put Amanda in that position, KNOWING Davey was a live cannon and a prissy 69'er with deviate actions in his background, she might be alive today if he hadn't saddled Amanda with the heavy load of "trying" to manage Davey; in fact, they probably wouldn't have gone to Indy in the first place.
What else could he say other than this was a 'tragedy'? Yeah, a tragedy he helped to cause. As far as I can see, he ALSO has Amanda's blood on his own lily white hands. ABB
Anon @ 2.09, I tend to agree that Davey being unable to say that he loves/loved Amanda indicates he may be having an affair and his lover is listening closely to everything he says. This idea is reinforced by what is left out of the repeated references to Ezekiel by Davey.
Ezekiel's wife is referred to by God as " the delight of your eyes" or "the desire of your eyes", as in " I am about to take away from you the delight of your eyes in one blow"
I think "the delight of my eyes" seems a very pertinent and loving way to describe Amanda, and I have long wondered why Crazy Davey did not use those words to describe her, (particularly with all the references to Ezekiel).
Just thoughts.
From CJ's transcription of last Sunday's service:
DB:
"...Um, here’s what you need to understand. About 4-1/2 years ago the Lord called a-, Amanda and, and myself to come to Indianapolis and start a church out of nothing that would see lost people come to know Christ and that would, awaken the city...."
Interesting how he stutters on Amanda's name.
This sounds like it was Amanda's original idea to come to Indy. I wonder if her quoted statement (from the Cincinnati retreat - I can't find it) about wishing she had never made this life about her meant that she regretted trying to start the still floundering church in Indy. I think she wanted to be closer to her family, and took a big leap of faith in believing that she and her "crazy" Pastor husband would be able to make a successful church plant.
Just an observation. Still a tragedy.
I hadn't considered before that maybe Amanda was the one who wanted to go to Indy as you speculated, Bobcat.
Now I've begun to wonder if she wanted to leave NewSpring to get away from the too-worshipful-of-Davey eyes of Meg! Remember Meg tweeting more than once about being sent out as an intern to buy Davey a jockstrap?
Think about what a modest girl Amanda was and how distressing that would have been.
Look at how Meg is the water-bringer at Resonate and imagine how she might have been falling all over herself waiting on Davey at NewSpring. Surely Amanda would have hated that, especially since her marriage had been troubled from the get-go.
And when Davey wasn't coming home until late at night after the honeymoon, he would have been "at work" with Meg and "the team", right?
I remain suspicious that Davey made it clear to Meg that Amanda was hindering the "awakening" of Indy and that Meg helped facilitate Amanda's end. Whether he intended to hook up permanently with Meg (which we know he didn't), it only mattered that SHE thought he would.
I'm ready to testify! Ha!
I think it's possible as well that Meg might have been more "experimental" than Amanda, might've gone for all of the different positions and (to put it bluntly) areas of anatomy into which Davey wanted to put it.
If she thought she could move into Amanda's life, become Weston's mom instead of just the nanny, be with Davey ... did she have the connections to make this happen?
The thing is, we have nothing to go on concerning any sexual relationship Meg might have had with Davey. The only thing, we do know she had some kind of unpleasantry that involved Amanda which led to her quickly moving out of the home and which caused Amanda to stop posting on her FB. Did it have anything to do with Meg purchasing (of all things!) a jockstrap for Davey, or did Amanda catch them together in some kind of compromising position or overheard them sharing secrets together that hurt her? Something happened there, we just don't know what.
WTH would any woman purchase such a personal item as a jockstrap for a man who was not her husband or lover, and why would she comment about it for all the world to see? This can certainly lead to causing the mind to wander; all which Amanda could not discuss with anyone since Davey completely controlled and scrutinized her every word and post, so we'll likely never know the truth of what went on there.
Now we see Meg back in Davey's life almost immediately upon Amanda's death, quickly blocking her FB page and now her showing up most recently in Davey's services, waiting on him hand and foot. In light of all this, I'd have to agree with all of the above who are starting to think there was/is a personal relationship between these two. If not, what else could it be, other than as someone speculated above; Meg has the hots for Davey, will go the last mile with him and he is using her for whatever comes next. Did she have seedy connections that could have led to Amanda's murder? Sure, it's possible. Your guess is as good as mine. But she'd better watch it, she could be next.
As for Davey never expressing any love for Amanda since her gruesome murder, this comes as no surprise. He can't say he loved her because he didn't and never did. He put on a good show at their wedding, but as soon as they returned from their honeymoon, he never showed or expressed an ounce of love or affection for her the first time, not that I've seen or read in any of his posts, only resentment.
Not once, just disdain for her throughout their marriage, openly and publically demeaning and condemning her in every way and particularly blaming her for his dissatisfaction in their sex life. Also blaming HER/their baby for causing his bad marriage; and again, never expressing any tenderness for her or the new baby coming. He was cheating all along and was not necessarily confining himself to a woman either. He was not even a good liar or a good con. The dummy doesn't have the slightest idea how to play the game. It's all in his mannerisms.
No, he had no love for Amanda, only hatred. She in no way compared to Ezekiel's wife. He despised Amanda and felt such contempt for her that he could stand it no longer, she had stuck him with another baby, now he's trapped with her forever, which led to disposing of her in the most painful way one could ever imagine; which of course, this TOO was her fault.
It must have tormented the hell out of him when she landed up pregnant again, when he would have been leading Meg and others he was 'prancing and courting' for sexual favors, to think they were not having sex together. (Typical married man on the prowl, except that his lovers would not have been confined exclusively to female sex partners).
What a show he put on trying to prove how little Amanda meant to him while showing off his open attraction for someone other than his wife, totally denigrating her; now she turns up pregnant again proving he was lying and having sex with her all along. Wonder how the hell he got out of explaining 'that' one to his lovers he so openly conned and pranced before in his sermons? Pig. ABB
Ok, my question about Meg. Did she come to Indy in the summer and then moved out abruptly? Did she go back to SC? Did she return to Indy only after AB died? If so fishy doesn't even begin to describe it! She def was not bringing out the water bottles when AB was still alive. Shame on her if she did come back right after AB died and even more shame if she has moved into that house. It is obvious she had a huge crush on Davey and wanted to be Amanda, even taking on the same occupation. This story just can't get any more bizarre.
I am curious if the relationship between Amber and Davey has begun to change. In past posts and tributes to Amanda, she always tagged Davey. Of course narcissist Davey who is so excited to move on past this life alteration/event/conundrum, never liked or responded to any of her tributes. (Davey's thinking-Let's don't talk about Amanda's life here on earth, I am enjoying this long-distance thing and I know Amanda is on the beach sipping Pina Coladas) Amber is still doing the amazing tributes (and I hope hers is the book that one day gets published) but she doesn't even tag Davey anymore. Her latest post was about their double wedding. She talks about how Davey and AB met. He doesn't like or respond to it. Such a jerky thing to ignore such a post about HIS wedding day and the beautiful tribute to Amanda.
True Bingo3. All true. I never paid that much attention to Meg's comings and goings, I had initially assumed that she was just a baby sitter/nanny/ mother's helper, there to help Amanda with Wesston, etc. I was so disturbed in how Amanda died and Davey's part in it and with his blatant treacheries in their marriage, with no one in the family or even close to them demanding an investigation of Davey, that this was the main thing on my mind. Maybe somebody needs to take a closer look at Meg too, you suppose?
As of now, I'm wondering what in hell was preacher Nobel's REAL motive in hot-footing it over to Davey's little pitiful congregation and showing his face there? There HAS to be something big involved in this appearance. It CAN'T be just Davey's small numbers or his pitiful collection plate; it HAS to be more than this. Nobel would have known this all along. And as I've said before, if he thought he needed to see some books all he had to do was ask for copies to be faxed to his office. Davey's credit reports too. All this could have been done with one phone call.
He also doesn't need to see it for himself to know what a mess Davey has made of his little plant church. He has access to the same videos and face book posts we've all seen right here. He knows Davey much better and longer than any of us do. He also knew Davey couldn't make it without Amanda; he as much as said so himself. I smell a rate here and I hope someone smarter than I am can sniff it out. There's WAY more going on here than we have suspected.
Nobel wouldn't need to go up to Indy to terminate Davey or to reduce him to a lesser position. He has a phone, a fax and a cell. Take the easy way out. So simple; just do it then. Nah... there' something bigger than any of this going on.
Jezyl pete; the man has a following of 30,000 plus every Sunday and a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that averages $34MIL big ones annually, and he's concerning himself with appearing before a little church group of less than 300 on a busy Sunday morning to banter about with a crazy lunatic!!? Ain't NO WAY this rich dude would walk out on his big bank roll unnecessarily to diddle with a little pip-squeak like Davey Blackburn without some VERY good reason, folks!
Having said all that; yes I do need to get off here like I said I intended to do a coupla days ago. However, I do want to thank Katie and Rosy for their kind words, which I greatly appreciated, and WILL get back to you soon. xx00xx... ABB
Oooops, sorry; I meant RAT, not rate. ABB
Thanks for sharing that, Bingo3. I was not aware that Amber had stopped tagging Davey. Of course, the 'smart' dummy didn't have the intelligence to gracefully respond to Amber or to thank her for loving Amanda, not even for her baby Weston.
Aha! NOW Amber is starting to notice? Wonder what's up with that? Maybe Amber IS starting to open her eyes a little? I sure hope so.
Surely No ONE close to her can be that deceived that they could go on forever ignoring this scheming killers' part in his wife's cruel murder, their own close family member. Just about any other manner used in killing her would have been more humane than THIS cruel and torturous way her life was taken from her. Damn. He really WANTED her to suffer. Bad. Sicko perverted S.O.B. ABB
OT: I see where most of the posters who were posting here are over posting on Peter's new Hormon missing child Article. Since I was already involved on those articles several times in years gone by, guess I'll just pass on it for now inasmuch as I don't see any new breaks in the case so will just check in here from time to time. See ya... ABB
Bingo3, there was some discussion about mg early on but I can't find what thread it's on. I believe she was from ac, moved to Indy as db's intern and nanny for Weston, moved out suddenly around the time ab would have found out she was pregnant. The exact date is noted somewhere bc she did a flash sale for her etsy stiff since the move was so sudden. Also, and this could be entirely coincidental, there were pics on Instagram of her dressed up as a robber for Halloween. I dont know why that stands out to me, but I don't see many girls dressing as a robber these days, and with all the other strange things going on it almost seems like a nod to db and their plan if you know what I mean.
Would DB find MG attractive? At all? I don't think so. He's the kind of vain physically attractive guy that bystander women fantasize about. She's single, she's lonely, she was addicted to fantasy novels. She may be smart in some ways. While camped out in their house, sleeping on the couch, she may have looked at their marriage and imagined that she could swap herself out for AB by supplying hubby with certain personal services along with "mothering" the baby. She was slung out of the house.
Is it true she messaged about shopping for a jockstrap and a bib? Is there a link for this or witness to it? If she did, that was bold. She's clever enough to know she could claim "bib" as baby wear while alluding to equipment for females who give oral sex (see the abject wife in "Bamboozled"). If indeed she sent that message out to the world, she was boasting, fantasizing, or joking about willingness to offer a sexual service missing from her boss's marriage. Doesn't mean anyone found her attractive.
Here is Meg's post on her #NothingIsWasted facebook https://www.facebook.com/nothingiswasted/?fref=nf from 11/16/2015:
"Amanda and I loved to talk about refinishing furniture, taking old junk and making it beautiful and she taught me so much, especially these past few months, about seeing the potential in unwanted things. She mirrored this in her life through the way she loved people and embraced the hurt in their life. She spoke truth into them because she saw people the way Jesus saw people ... full of hope, full of potential, and just waiting to be remade by his love.When I first told her about wanting to start this shop she was such an encourager, she shared stories about starting her business, and she told me I needed to charge more. Every time I make something with my hands I know I'll think of her and how we laughed about our secret plans to take over the whole garage, little by little, with yard sale finds."
I think this tribute is one of the nicest out there. As "troubled" as Meg's life may be, I don't think she played an instrument in the orchestration of Amanda's death. She's more like an almost-homeless helper that bounces around theaters, helping the 'stars' of the show in any way she can just to have a spare room to sleep in. It's a sad story - Meg has no father figure that I can find, and a mother with a stepfather and half siblings.
Surely, DB knows that Meg will help him with anything he asks of her.
Here is the jockstrap/bib quote from JMTO 11/16/2015 http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/davey-blackburn-life-insurance-on-amanda.html.
"It says "A jock strap and a baby bib? Thank you @daveyblackburn for making this internship as awkward as possible!"
She posted this 43 weeks ago, but the ORIGINAL date of this post was January 19, 2010.
She reshared it this year. So at the date she posted, they had not had a child yet, but he sent his intern out for a bib.....and a jock strap."
I've been comparing timelines of three different shabby shops.
All three owners have connections to Meg and NewSpring.
WeatheredWillow (WW) - Amanda's shop https://www.facebook.com/weatheredwillow/?fref=nf
NothingisWasted (NIW) - Meg's shop https://www.facebook.com/nothingiswasted/?fref=nf
MadeNew4You (MNY) - Bonnie Lee's shop https://www.facebook.com/bonnielee.madenew4you
November 2014, MG opened her NIW Etsy shop. https://www.etsy.com/shop/NothingIsWasted/about?ref=shopinfo_about_leftnav She also had this to say in her "about" page:
"I've entered into a season in life where I can honestly tell you I have no idea what's next. I've been in full time ministry for the past 5 years and now ... I'm not. During the first few weeks of transitioning out of my job and into new jobs I've heard three resounding words from God ... "Nothing is Wasted". There's a song from Elevation Church that I love with this same title and over and over God's reminded me that He works all things for my good. Romans 8:28 tells us that "We know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him .." ... So that's life right now, I'm putting all my eggs in the following Jesus basket and believing that the Best is Yet to Come!"
So, Meg is struggling in Spartanburg, looking over past twitter posts, thinking about who she knows who might be able to help her with a job, and reposts the silly DB Bib/jockstrap post from 2010.
On July 1 2015, NIW posted that Meg would be moving from Spartanburg to Indy to live for 4-5 months with her favorite "church planters." July 1, 2015:
Since it's July 1st ... and officially Birthday Month I thought I'd share some fun news!! I'm moving to Indianapolis, IN to spend about 4-5 months with some of my favorite church planters! I would love to have YOUR support and there's a few different ways you could do that!
1- SUPPORT my Etsy Shop! http://etsy.com/shop/nothingiswasted let me make something pretty for you and everything I make is going to help with the move to Indy!
2 - GIVE: I've set up a Go Fund Me webpage where you can read more about why, how, and what I'm doing and if you feel lead to give, you can! http://www.gofundme.com/MegsMovesToIndy
3 - PRAYERS there's still a lot of details that need to fall in to place in the next month and I'd love to have you join me in praying that my courage and faith stand up in the face of the obstacles that arise.
Thank you so much for reading this and considering to support me in ANY way. I'm super excited for this next season and can't wait to see what Jesus has planned because ... The Best is Yet to Come
Up to July 18, WW made a steady stream of posts advertising things for sale. Then nothing until August 4th. Amanda is getting ready for Meg to move in with them.
Meg was packing for her move on July 27, after having her big sale around July 25.
Amanda makes no posts on WW between August 4 and August 26.
There are NO posts from NIW between August 2 and September 5.
August 4 to August 26:
Amanda gets pregnant.
Meg moves in and back out again? Where does she go?
August 26 - Amanda restarts her steady stream of listing items for sale on WW.
August 28 - preparations are being made for the opening of MNY in Greenville. Has Meg moved back to Greenville and is now helping another friend Bonnie Lee with a shabby store?
Sept. 5 - Meg's NIW shop posts link to Bonnie's new MNY shop in Greenville.
Sept. 9 - Meg's NIW shop restarts advertising posts.
I may have just wasted some time on this. I'm not sure if it helps anything or is just creepy!
Bobcat, wow thank you!! I was just going on little things I heard about Meg. I really didn't know any details except that that crazy Nothing is Wasted slogan was the name of her shop and she posted a sale and the death in the same posting!! Very odd. So she came, left quickly, came back after death. She now seems to be here permanently. Do you think the police have ever questioned her/
Bingo3,
I have no idea who the police have or haven't questioned...it's such a conundrum.
Continuing with my timeline studies...DB's (parpahrased) twitter topics 2015
August 7th was their anniversary. Meg had also arrived in town.
Aug 13 - Aunt Megan on couch with Weston photo posted.
AUG 17 - EXCEL budget posted. Funny how Gym Contract is considered to be a necessary expense. They also list "Rent" instead of "Mortgage." Interesting.
There are many #ForIndy posts blitzed this month.
In September, old friend Kenneth Wagner starts a successful new church.
Sep 15 - Davey quotes it could take "15 years to make overnight success"
9/18 Short term worries
9/20 Woolevers are sent from Newspring to help Resonate
Frequent advertising of sex and fighting related sermons
10/14 Planning 4 weeks ahead on sermon to get rid of Worry. This planning ahead has really PUMPED him up!!
10/16 KILLING REAGAN library book photo posted https://mobile.twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/655012366946607104/photo/1
...listening to band Mayday Parade...
10/25 Derek Barrett preaches instead of DB
10/27-29 Chicago weekend with Amanda *Wasn't this also the time he posted a video of Levi Lusko telling how his daughter's death helped his ministry?" I think the video is gone!
11/1 Woolever preaches instead of DB
11/5 DB feels challenged to be a better communicator
11/6 Cincinnati offsite leaders meeting to discuss future of Resonate
11/8 War on Worry sermon
Matt Caldwell, another Newspring Owner visits resonate.
SO interesting Bobcat. There was still so much involvement with New Spring that I didn't realize. Resonate was fizzling, I just don't see why this megachurch was still bothering with it at all.
This Meg thing has gotten very intriguing. She doesn't have a real job it seems. Painting signs could not be that lucrative and no way Davey can pay her. So she has to be living with him or with some other Resonate family? She can't seem to really find her way in life it seems. She started doing exactly what Meg did with painting old signs etc. Why did they need her to come to Indy? Amanda didn't work? The church is tiny and Davey doesn't work. WHy would they need her?? Another piece of this crazy puzzle?!
I meant Meg seemed to take on the same job as Amanda. She took the role as Weston caretaker. Single white femalish to me. Eeek!
One thing that is just so comical to me that Davey calls himself the Lead Pastor at Resonate. He makes it quite clear every Sunday and on her obituary. Gag me. You are the only pastor, Davey and your basicallya glorified Sunday School teacher (a really bad one :( )
I know others here have probably done this but I looked up the Blackburn address and was interested to see on one of the real estate type sites that they listed crimes with in one mile of their home. I went back as far as September 2015 and there were crimes taking place almost daily through December. One of the crimes being Amanda's murder. There were burglaries non stop. I'm sorry but this was not an area that you'd leave your doors unlocked. I know there is crime everywhere but it definitely wasn't Mayberry.
Bobcat, as I noted already I was looking up the Blackburn property and it appears, but don't quote me for sure, the someone else owns their home. So when they say rent it might be correct. If they were leasing this home then rent would be the appropriate term.
Bingo3, I agree. He is a legend in his own mind. He a total salesman. Creating these big terms that sound impressive but are either not true or just exaggerated. He strokes his ego. Surrounds himself by people who kiss his rear. He's good at conning people into thinking he's the greatest thing ever. Many of us see right through it though. He talks a good talk. If I didn't know the truth I'd think he was packing a room full of a thousand, making a huge impact on Indy. But he isn't. He's living a fantasy. I think he has himself convinced that when he looks out at the 120 people in his audience he really sees hundreds. His reality is not our reality. He needs help. He's obsessed with being like all the successful youth pastors out there but he's not succeeding. I hope I'm wrong for Weston's sake but I don't think so.
Copied from a post on one of the earlier sa's:
JMTONovember 16, 2015 at 2:12 PM
megsgriff
"Most days I completely fail at trusting Jesus. Even so, I'm thankful for the moments that I know I'm fighting to put my worry away and choose to worship. I'm believing today that I can look at the mountain and tell it to get out of my way! Thankful that with Jesus I can rest in his promises and his plans! I hope you can tell your mountain to get out too!"
The picture that goes with this instagram, taken a week ago, says......
"This mountain that's in front of me
Will be thrown into the depths of the sea."
https://instagram.com/p/9mDjYduHzO/?taken-by=megsgriff
Coincidentally, the theme song for the series "The Affair"
Is by Fiona Apple
Called "Container"
The lyrics are.....
I was screaming into the canyon
At the moment of my death
Echo I created
Outlasted my last breath
My voice it made an avalanche
And buried a man I never knew
And when he died his widowed bride
Met your daddy and they made you
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
I have only one thing to do and that's
Be the wave that I am and then
Sink back into the ocean
(Sink back into the ocean)
Not sure what the series is that the op refers to, but this Instagram would have been posted just before ab was murdered. Also, db's 10/14 ominous tweet about planning ahead for the worship is a weapon sermon he gave just days before the murder was liked and faved by mg although it is no longer showing. I don't know the exact date mg moved out but she was still there in October. All of this would have been around the same time ab "broke the news" to db that she was pregnant. The timing of everything is just too weird.
Wow Bobcat.
Appreciate the 2 timelines especially the 2nd.
Had not noticed ego did get its weekend fix.
Key time period.
Will go back and check it out.
If you listened to the alternate dudes' sermons: any impressions?
Thank you for posting.
Ugh, this case is driving me crazy. Just to clarify the post copied above was originally posted by blogger jmto on 11/26. So the Instagram post from mg was 1 week before that (11/09) which was 1 day before the murder. Of course it all ties into db's sermon from that weekend, but if mg was back in sc how did she even see the sermon? Was it live streamed? It wasn't posted on the resonate page until weeks after. that quote made 1 day before murder is just crazy. I really have to stop obsessing over this case but I'd feel so much better if I knew someone had looked into all this.
I'm not sure where Meg was living after she moved out from DB & Amanda's place. It appears that she was still in the Indy area, still involved with Resonate - at least she was definitely part of the offsite Cincinnati meeting.
I finally did find more relatives of hers. She has a great uncle that was a Judge, and a grandfather that was a writer. She has inherited brains for sure, but other connections appear more troubled, and I still can't find anything on a biological father. Many broken families in her tree.
I think she is fully aware of DB's sexual oddities and doesn't care at all.
I don't think DB included Meg in his orchestration. I also don't think Meg orchestrated Amanda's death.
I think DB just knew Meg would be available to assist him and care for Weston when the time came.
"And this mountain that is before me shall be thrown into the depths of the sea"
Mountain = Everet?
It has been mentioned before that Everet is a masculine name and means "brave as a wild boar". I very much doubt that Amanda chose the name for a little girl. No way. Davey did chose it.
CD saw the baby as a mountain that was before him; hence the name - Everet (Everest).
(I too, think Crazy Davey was telegraphing and leaking)
It seems that things were reasonably cordial the night that MG left the Blackburn home.
I have to paraphrase because MGs Instagram account was removed but there was an Instagram picture of the Blackburns dinner table and something like:
" last night staying at the Blackburn home. Hope we can have 1000 more dinners like this"
To which Amanda replied, something like: "then you'll be here a lot longer than 5 months" smiley face.
I don't know where the rumour that MG was chucked out of the home, or left abruptly, come from.
The big sale of stuff from Nothing is Wasted Etsy shop was BEFORE MGs move to Indy and then another one after Amanda died - not when she moved out of the Blackburn residence.
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