They have no association with the investigation and have only gleaned the information from media.
They relied upon Statement Analysis, Behavioral Analysis, and their own extensive experience in investigating homicides, as well as home invasions.
This is a short consensus of their opinion and what they think happened. It is a narrative of opinion.
All parties are innocent until proven guilty, including those in custody now. Police have stated that they knew, "100%" (from media) that the husband of the victim was not the shooter. Suspects are in custody in the murder. This represents private opinions on the publicly stated quotes and information.
Picture a needle with -10 to the left, 0 in the center, and + 10 to the right. 0 is neutral, while moving negative to the left, indicates potential guilt of the husband, while moving to the right suggests innocence of the husband.
1. Statistics
Most homicides involving pregnant women prove out to show involvement by the man close to her and the pregnancy, including husband, ex husband, estranged husband, or boyfriend.
Jealousy can enter such cases and lead to violence.
Some shaken baby victims, for example, were killed by the non-biological husband, who resented the child that he did not father. In this case, it is not known if there was infidelity on the part of the victim, but there was nothing in the statements to suggest anything but the husband being the father of the unborn child.
That the number one suspect in the murder of pregnant women is a statistic not ignored by the investigators and all felt this was important to be open to.
2. Relationship Quality
In domestic homicides, the quality of the relationship is always 'front and center' in the investigation. Since husband/boyfriends are the most likely responsible, investigators ask if there was a history of marital discord. If so, the percentages move in the specific direction of the earlier statistic.
In this case we are told by both the victim and the husband that the marital relationship was in turmoil to the point of separation, and with specific elements.
In domestic homicides, the husband is first viewed, and then the quality of the relationship is viewed, but investigators then look for something specific to happen to cause the violence: this is a "trigger." When a stressor or trigger is found, it also moves the statistical needle to move.
3. Trigger
A 'trigger' or a 'stressor' is something that pushes the relationship to the level where violence goes from thought to action; a stressor is sought to be identified by investigators. Many times the stressor is infidelity. This becomes an underlying anger that suppressed, can eventually surface against the child (shaken baby syndrome above) where the 'cuckolded' husband is saddled with a constant living breathing reminder of his wife's infidelity. It may be worse if the child is a boy and looks like the biological father. Infidelity on either part can be a trigger. If the husband has a new love interest, it could be a trigger in the bad relationship, just as if the wife has been unfaithful to him.
Other triggers can include sudden loss of job, change of job, loss of support, death in the family, pregnancy, and so on. Investigators seek to learn if something within the relationship has changed making a bad relationship now worse.
In this case, the investigators conclusively pointed to the husband's own identification of the trigger: pregnancy. The husband specifically named the pregnancy as the stressor or trigger that made the relationship disruption, though the wife identified the husband's career as the source of discord.
All recognized the acute obsession the husband had with his work as well as the distancing language between him and the victim as extreme. The initial statement as well as the consistent distancing language shown towards the victim confirmed the husband's and victim's assertions about the marital discord.
4. Behavioral Analysis
All investigators were bothered by the following points of the case:
a. The timing of the home invasion
b. The element of violence in the home invasion
c. The patterns of behavior by the husband
That each Tuesday he not only went to the gym at the same time, but always had the same pone call, at the same time on the very date of the home invasion robbery.
That on this particular date, the husband stayed out of the home for a full 40 minutes while his wife lay dying stood out, in particular, as 'taking the coincidence too far' for reason, to the investigators.
Although the showing off of a gun in a 'sermon' stood out, powerfully, as a revelation of what was on his mind, just days before the murder, it was the additional and apparently unnecessary delay, in the driveway, that no investigator could dismiss. They stated that they would need to learn that this, too, was his pattern, to reduce the suspicion based upon coincidence.
All were also confronted with the husband's lack of fear of the uncaught killers, as if he had confidence that he could not possibly be the next target.
All attempted to 'explain away' any of these points, to justify innocence. Each attempt, including examining religious language, did not suffice. That there was no call for justice was bothersome, but not so much as having a home invaded and a wife murdered: he had no fear. This coupled with not only distancing language, but was taken with the drive for the career, all stood out as behavior suggesting knowledge of the crime.
5. Intelligence of Husband
This was another universal point: he is well above average intelligence and would not have been so foolish as to hire a hitman.
They stated that if he orchestrated the opportunity for the crime, he used this intelligence.
All expressed concern about local law enforcement training and/or ability to conduct a thorough interview with the husband, due to his mastery of language and intellect. They stated that a highly skilled interviewer was needed and most expressed some concern of local unwillingness to utilize federal assistance in interviewing.
The intelligence was noted in the publishing and commercializing of the murder; he knew how to present himself and attempt to utilize the death for the future salesmanship, including calling the murder a "story" and "event." It was also noted that in his attempt to gain authority over others, he revealed himself in the 'shower' statement, which should stand very strongly to investigators in how to strategize the interview: they must use his intelligence to get him to reveal the truth.
6. A Powerful Secret
All stated that the analysis of the 'hidden secret lie' was likely sexuality. This was affirmed by:;
a. The mentor's statement about "something very wrong" in which a female would rectify
b. The "shower" statement, which they concluded not only an association with the psychological need for cleansing.
c. His mentor's own wording: while avoiding speaking of Christ's Resurrection and specific details of the victim's own life and love of Christ, the mentor spoke in sexual terms about the physical attributes of the husband indicating that sex was on the speaker's mind.
d. The videos. They stated that the videos showed not only one who frequently spoke about sex, but seemed to have a need to persuade his audience of his sex drive...for women. Examples cited included the reference to the gym, his depersonalizing of the victim in his 'we have to have sex before dinner' statement, as well as his deliberate choreographing for the audience, including clothing, bearing and appearance.
That one would 'live a lie' is associated with continual stress and ongoing resentment, which can build over time, and be pushed to action by a stressor or 'trigger' event. The lie, if true, that is lived, is one in which bitterness never goes away, even during happier times and can grow with time.
If the victim knew of this secret, a sense of impotence could come over the liar, himself, and build resentment, fearful of exposure at any time, with the sense of living in a marriage of "blackmail", even unspoken, while being silently coerced into submission, lest 'she tell.'
This can lead to great fear of not only exposure, but fear of divorce.
A divorce would cripple his career and was not an option.
The last portion of deep embittered feelings in living a lie is the thought that happiness or contentment may 'exist with another', only increasing resentment of the victim, over time.
This was something heavily discussed in light of the distancing language he used. The language of distance was consistent with resentment.
The 'correction' of language was noted: whether he or advisors read the analysis, there were changes made after analysis was posted.
It was also noted, though not heavily, that the distancing language with his son (and pre born murdered child) was consistent with one 'living a lie in life', full time. Each point continues to push the needle in the negative, lower and lower.
7. Home Invasions
All pointed to the crime scene as having elements of possible staging, if, for example, she was not sexually assaulted. In cases where the clothing is removed without sexual assault, the perpetrator may have done this for the appearance of sexual assault.
Other elements noted included the unlocked door combining with the routine of the gym, and the phone call, coupled with what is known about home invasions: most seek to go in and out quickly, undetected, and want either items to quickly pawn, or cash, which would suggest prior knowledge of the home (drug dealers have cash, for example) but home invasions do not always have such violence, and if met with resistance, the violence is generally not associated with the removal of clothing.
Questions that arose include if these same perpetrators committed violence in other robberies, and if so, what was the nature of the violence, and what was the result of the violence, warranting answers.
Conclusion
The investigators all stated that the nature of the case pointed to anything but random. The details all point to orchestration.
What was asked was to consider this possible scenario:
That if the husband is involved, he would have used his intellect to orchestrate it, and would not have simply sought out a killer to be easily traced.
He would have had contact with members higher up in the gang, through schools, or the church, who would hear an opportunity that included a severe complaint against the wife. They would be able to send low level criminals to the right neighborhood, and to the right home, at the right time, where not only would the husband not be home, but the door would be unlocked, there would be items easily available for theft and pawning, while a 'hated woman' would be alone, hinting, but not stating, that life would be far better without her.
Understanding that someone was willing to allow his home to be vandalized was enough of an invitation. With complaints about the wife, especially the sexual complaints (which included public statements) would be enough 'hint' to let a gang know where an easy robbery would result and young gang's ruthlessness (dedication to the gang) could be tested.
That the husband remained on the driveway for 40 minutes instead of taking the call inside the house upon his arrival stands out as 'all too much' to be a coincidence. It is not known, but apparently possible, that had he gone in 40 minutes earlier, that the stopping of the bleeding, or hinderance of it, may have saved her life.
As they stated, everything taken together suggests orchestration of this crime. The details each fall into place and given his intelligence, he would have 'suggested' a good place for a gang to hit, giving the address, date and time.
They needed to hear motive. They did.
They needed to have:
1. The statistics of who does this
2. The marital relationship weighed in the negative
3. The presence of a stressor or trigger taking a negative further
4. The Behavior of the husband immediately after the murder
5. Examined the husband's intellectual ability to pull this off
6. A Secret, but powerful lie that is lived evidenced
7. Home invasions examined and factored in
They factored all of these in, with all fulfilled.
Theories
Most theories in a homicide are presented for debate; while other theories present themselves over time.
This is the latter.
All these elements factored in to produce a theory that they felt would be difficult to disprove in order to be comfortable professionally.
Some theories are presented and then examined. In this case, the theory developed naturally, with the post crime statements and behavior.
When a theory is developed naturally, we attempt to 'punch holes' in it, attempting to disprove it. They found the 'needle' consistently pushing to the left, unable to make strong arguments to the contrary.
Police, thus far, appear satisfied that they have solved the crime and that the husband is not involved.
There are those who do not have access to the information police have suspect the husband's involvement.
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Just the things he said and didn't say to the 911 operator should've raised a red flag because clearly he didn't describe it to the operator as a crime scene or that someone had been in the house who shouldn't have been - otherwise they would've rolled IMPD for sure, not just EMTs / medical support.
flightfulbird
January 8, 2016 at 11:52 PM
What did he say to the 911 operator?
Hey Jude, I am interested in the William Tyrrell 60 Minutes transcript if you are still willing to post it. You may have already posted it on the Top Ten of 2015. I'll check there, too.
Due to CDs unusual behavior, I, too, would say that he did it himself. All culpable things point to CD being capable. Trouble with that theory is 18yo LT confessed to doing it, then, the Killa plead not guilty. WTH?
The Chicago trip was Amanda's last date with CD. I wish she would have listened to her heart for I know that God was giving her signs that something was just not right.
CD should be given a drug test along with a psyche evaluation. JMHO
JMHO - Larry Taylor didn't confess - all he couldn't remember was being so wasted he didn't know if he'd bein into the Blackburn home-and he pleaded not guilty? Though he would say that...I'm sure LE will be looking for connections and aware of all the coincidences - but if they can't make any connections, well, he will have been the most extraordinary 'victim' of circumstances he helped to create, both by leaving the front door unlocked and by his behaviour before and since Amanda's death. A record number of coincidences - but Davey doesn't believe in coincidences - it's all down to God.
A polygraph, at least, I'd say - strange if he was not asked to take one, given the circumstances. If he didn't actually do, hire or know the accused, though, what would they have? - just suspicion, possibly, and that (rightly) is not enough to charge, let alone convict, anyone.
Yes, I posted the Jeremy Tyrrell transcript - the link is on the first post on this page.
Davey may not believe in coincidences but LEO does. Town Marshal of Telluride, author, and former investigator of JonBenet Ramsey's murder, James Kolar, once said: "Every coincidence is a clue."
Was the beer and wine already at the residence or did the perps bring it with them? How high on drugs/alcohol would one need to be not to know if he shot bullets into a beautiful lady?
Amanda had to be seriously injured for LT to leave her while he walked two houses down with her debit card, then, possess the wherewithal to remember the pin # even though he claims he can't recall shooting Amanda.
I'll go read the trascript now. TY
We only have the informant's word for it that the debit cards were in the Blackburn house and that Larry Taylor took them out to the car - we don't know what really happened, or even if any of them went into the Blackburn home. There's no CCTV to confirm that - there must be DNA, I suppose, from Taylor and the other guy - there has to be some evidence that they were inside.
I wonder if the medics, or forensics from blood at the scene, were able to establish for how long, approximately, Amanda had been bleeding before she was taken to the hospital.
Davey is certifiably cray-cray! The tweets yesterday made chills go up my spine! This guy is not only guilty, oh so guilty, he is flaunting it! "If your leading, your bleeding." "Pain forges the key that unlocks your destiny" So your going to mention "unlocked" and your saying the death of your wife is your destiny! And the "bleeding" thing goes right along with the insensitivity of posting his gun sermon. This guy is dangerous. I hope they are following him closely. Not sure what will happen next! He can't help himself. If your a sociopath, you are a sociopath. You can't pull yourself in!
And yes, Anon, I assumed it was most likely Meg that had Weston at the playground. She has slipped right in as full time babysitter I assume. It sounds like Davey's mom has come to visit too but I think Amber would have said Weston was there with his grandmother. She just said he was there and it felt strange (or something to that effect). Honestly, I think she is catching on a little and is making it a point to make sure her sister's life specifics are not forgotten.
Hey Jude, I have often wondered that myself. The fact that he left the house to give them the cards and came back in was always a head scratcher! She was obviously already down. Otherwise she runs to call 911 and locks the door. She didn't:( But supposedly (and correct me if I am wrong) didn't he kill her when they were out using the cards and he was alone with her? This LT guy was not part of the gang, correct? I think they set him up to take the fall. He was too drunk to remember anything according to his statement. All other statements about watching her bleed, etc were from someone else or so far that is what we know??
Well of COURSE Larry Taylor says he was too drunk to remember what happened. He couldn't outright deny he was with Jalen and Diano because Donae and Alonzo had already SNITCHED (yet people continue to insist nobody would ever snitch in this case).
Does anyone here really take accused murderer and rapist Larry Taylor at his word? Really?
Was he set up to "take the fall" in the other terrible crimes of which he's accused? I highly doubt it.
To add to my post above, Taylor also couldn't deny his presence outright because police had his phone records showing he was at 2812 Sunnyfield Court. So he says he "can't remember." Sure he can't.
Of course they snitched on him. And of course we know he was a criminal and maybe a little mentally retarded. He is a very bad dude. No one is denying that. But there are WAY too many coincidences, perfect timings, sitting in driveways until first 911 called made, calling it an accident, acting completely bizarre(posting a gun sermon a few days after they buried her), selling t-shirts and being completely inappropriate every single day since her death for us not to ponder further than a random, robbery, culdesac murder at 6:45 in the morning. Not buying it. I don't deny he was in her house and they took her cards. Someone told them about the empty house and the unlocked door and probably a pin number. You get criminals to act on these type things don't you? You can't ask your best friend to get the job done, right? This is a whole lot of orchestration and no need to protect LT because he was a loose cannon, dead man walking already who was about to serve a lot of jail time. I am not sure how it was orchestrated but i believe it was much more sinister than one young criminal who decided to knock a young mothers tooth out, shoot her three times, pull off her clothes and leave her for dead. And obviously shut the door back perfectly so there was no reason for Davey to be alerted that he needs to get inside and check on his wife while he sat in the driveway and yapped.
Well, JuJu - I can't see anyone saying they believe a word Larry Taylor said, or didn't say, as the case may be.
2812 Sunnyfield Court - that's the neighbour's house which was burgled? Taylor's phone was at the neighbour's house, maybe or not upon his own person. Is there CCTV of Taylor entering and leaving the neighbour's house? I don't know, but let's say he was there, as it seems most likely.
How do we know the Blackburn debit cards were not left in the neighbour's house for them to find (a possibility, if the Blackburns were entrusted with the key) - Davey has been tweeting about a key of late. None of them may have entered the Blackburn house for all anyone who doesn't have the forensics knows. The cards may have been in the neighbour's house, with the PIN. Taylor may have gone with them, coincidentally to the ATM next to Davey's gym, or spent another forty minutes getting more drunk in the neighbour's house. Was he maybe meant to be spotted, by Davey, exiting the neighbour's house, when he returned from the gym? Is that why Davey sat outside on the drive? Did Taylor suspect he was being set up for something, so left before he was meant to - one of them, presumably Taylor, was spotted walking out of the cul de sac, by the guy who was so concerned he returned to his own house, yet did not call the police.
It's possible, if unlikely. The simpler explanation is usually best. Still, what is that? Would you wait with a murder victim for forty minutes for no apparent reason - or would you, being unaware that a murder victim lay a couple of houses down,and that your accomplices were using her debit cards, be more likely to wait in an empty house with a few bottles of something if your accomplices said they'd be back in five minutes, see what else you can find - till you maybe figured out after forty minutes that they weren't coming back and you might have been set up for something? I don't know, except I would not be inclined to hang round Davey's house with a near-dead possible rape victim, a baby, and a dog, whether I had committed the crimes, or not. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
It's interesting to think round the possibilities, but there's so much we don't know, and which only the forensics can answer.
The Swisher Sweets on the counter - forgot about those. Davey could have put them there - forensics. I think they can establish how fresh the fingerprints might be, too?
It's probably just too convoluted to decide none of them were in the house.
Jude, the last part of Bingo's post gave me the impression that he/she believes Larry Taylor was set up and was too messed up to remember what happened.
Additionally, others have theorized on the many threads here that the others purposefully got Taylor drunk/high as part of the very complicated plot to kill Amanda ... because he says he doesn't remember. Seems to me they believed him.
The probable cause affidavit lists 2812 as the Blackburn residence numerous times, does it not?
Your scenario about the cards being at the other house doesn't make sense to me ... but maybe it's not you, it's me.
Are you suggesting the three suspects never entered the Blackburn home? How do you know they were ever in the neighbor's home drinking, then? The empty house where they were drinking is a different home than where they were caught on camera, correct? How do you know those bottles weren't planted there to frame all of them as part of this convoluted murder plot?
Bingo, is there an "imperfect" way to shut a door? Haha.
Why do you think Taylor is mentally disabled?
What about the gigantic "coincidence" that Taylor allegedly forced a woman to lay face-down on her floor at gunpoint, forced her to give her card PIN number, then raped her three different ways while holding a gun to the back of her neck?
Amanda was found face-down, partially nude with a gunshot wound to the back of the head (among others). Isn't it likely Amanda was forced at gunpoint to give up her PIN number rather than the suspects knowing it ahead of time?
If the suspects knew about the empty house ahead of time, why hit an occupied house (where they ended up caught on camera, no less) prior to the unoccupied house and risk getting caught before this very well-orchestrated, cloak and dagger murder hit could be carried out? That doesn't make sense to me.
You say there was no need to protect Larry Taylor, but was there a need to protect Diano and Jalen? Aren't they both sitting in jail, too? I just don't see anyone being protected.
http://indianalostfunds.net/d/p3clgc/BROWN+DIANA+L/2812+SUNNYFIELD+COURT+INDIANAPOLIS+IN+46228
Diana L Brown - is that not the neighbour named in PC doc - 2812 Sunnyfield court is the neighbour's house, I believe?
The unredacted affidavit says 2812 is the Blackburn home. Look at it. What is "indianalostfunds.net"?
To correct something I said above, the rape victim didn't give her PIN, they demanded her bank cardstatement at gunpoint, but she told them she didn't have any.
That should say "bank cards."
Bad Juju:
"To correct something I said above, the rape victim didn't give her PIN, they demanded her bank cards at gunpoint, but she told them she didn't have any."
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Where is this information? You sound like you were there.
No, Bobcat, it's in the probable cause affidavit for the rape/burglary. I'm not pretending I was there, dear, I just know how to read.
You can find the redacted versions of both probable cause documents here: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/23/amanda-blackburn-court-documents-charges-larry-taylor-and-jalen-watson/76282316/
The unredacted version of the document for Amanda is available on Scribd. I have not seen an unredacted document for the rape/burglary as far as I can recall.
I think that Amber is catching on. It's one thing to mourn your sister, but it's another thing to watch her husband replace her. Weston with a new mom. Amber is going to talk when that happens.
Okay, I have read the unredacted PC document (I read it when it was first available, but that was a while ago) so I will stop being so thick and quite so determined to make it that Larry Taylor did not do it.
A neighbour heard the two gunshots while Davey was at the gym - Amanda had two definite gunshot wounds, and a possible third to her upper back - but that's only a definite two, according to the document - later we will know if there was a third (perhaps).
A young black male was seen walking towards the Blackburn house - a young black male was also seen getting into the passenger seat of a white car on Sunnymeadow Court, and there is video of some activity in the street. It is therefore a lot more reasonable for me to accept that Amanda was shot by an intruder while Davey was at the gym, and a lot less reasonable to continue thinking that Davey shot Amanda. Also, they lived at 2812 Sunnyfield Court. (Maybe D Brown was the previous owner - I don't know).
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New Year's Resolution - read stuff before writing stuff. :-/
I think I just don't want to be wrong. That still doesn't mean that I don't believe it was orchestrated by Davey, in which case he would be just as morally responsible for Amanda's murder as if he did it himself. And it still seems like a very personal murder.
I should probably shut up now. Except IF there were three gunshot wounds, Davey could have shot her before he went to the gym - but why then would LT also shoot her - she would already have been dying. There's still that tooth knocked out - hellish violence from an eighteen year old stranger whose grill she presumably hadn't damaged.
THERE WERE FOUR GUNSHOTS. Not two, not three; FOUR. Neighbors claimed they heard two. But there were FOUR. One in Amanda's head, one in her arm and one in her back/shoulder area, AND a fourth one found in the lower area of the wall. Got it now? FOUR. TWO more than neighbors claim they heard. Obviously they were still sleeping; the first (earlier) two muffled shots didn't awaken them.
IMO, I'd double-damn guarantee you; Amanda knew who her killer was as she lay dying in excruciating pain, having earlier been disabled by him. It was her own husband. However, whatever, his part was in her death and its' ensuing set-up; in her helplessness SHE KNEW. There was nothing she could do to protect herself from the second shooter.
(No Jude, I am not still at the plumbing store. I never went, called a plumber instead, deciding to contract someone else who knows more than I do about these matters rather than try to finish off the job myself and STILL need a plumber. After all, it was only a few hundred bucks ran thru my debit card). ABB
For what it's worth; I'd be surprised if Peter posts another article concerning the Amanda Blackburn murder non-suspect, Davey Blackburn. As far as I've been able to ascertain, Peter's final post concerning this matter was made on 12/30/15 @ 10:16 am, wherein he stated, and I quote: that he was "convinced Davey's only guilt was related to sexuality"; that is, any guilt being only connected to his sexuality.
Look back to Peter's article of 12/28/15 after all the speculating by other investigators he conferred with, therein pointing to his guilt; as to Davey having orchestrated Amanda's murder, (and the thousands of posts that have been made delving into more than just mere speculation of Daveys' involvement since the day Amanda was murdered); near the end of this article Peter states "all stated that the "hidden secret lie" was likely sexuality."
In a prior article by Peter titled "For us, we have nothing to hide"; Peter stated: "What is my conclusion in this matter?" Article undated, at the bottom of this article he states; "The description regarding sexuality is his own business." What more does he need to say in his conclusion to the matter?
It would seem to me that Peter has made his final declaration regarding any possible guilt of Davey Blackburn and has moved on to other subjects. ABB
The shot through her torso was a through and through. The bullet could have come from this shot or it could have been a fourth. I lean towards three shots, but four are possible.
JuJu, What I meant by the door, is you would think it would still be ajar or open as they ran out. But I guess no need to run out since the criminals uncharacteristically hung around the two houses for over an hour and half, so why not take the time to close the door behind them.HA! And stroll around the neighborhood, leave and come back. You know just the normal things robbers do. NOT! It just seems odd that Davey sat in the driveway for so long and there was no sign of something that would alert him to go inside. Baby without mom for at least an hour would be crying, dog barking, door possibly left ajar. That is what I meant! The sitting in the driveway will always make me think he is connected. I guess I could shake it if I didn't find his behavior AFTER the crime the most bizarre I have EVER seen! If I hear anything else about how this is his destiny and she died for the church I am going to gag. This WILL be a book one day but not the book Davey was planning.
According to the reports initially released, there were FOUR shots.
Good move, ABB - I could do with a live-in plumber, at times - cold showers, loos flushing hot water, the most eccentric plumbing system I've ever encountered. :)
I, too, am thinking Peter is likely done with Davey and probably there won't be a new thread - meh.
I didn't know there were four shots - I assumed the one lodged in the stairwell had passed through Amanda - or maybe it grazed her upper back, as that was described as a possible gunshot wound. Hmm...I so want to return to my favoured theory, and add to it, though the one is not necessary to the other. I think to take a break from Davey and read and think some more, in case what I am thinking might be too stupid for words, after all. Whoever shot Amanda, I still think it very unlikely it was random.
I didn't understand Peter's conclusion.
According to the probable cause affidavit, ONE neighbor reported hearing TWO gunshots, while in bed, at 6:40 or 6:45.
I can't find a single article that reports four shots (though it's possible an article said that at some point but was corrected). A couple of articles reported four SUSPECTS taken in for questioning, but not four gunshots.
There is nothing to support the assertion that four shots were fired.
The affidavit says Amanda was shot three times. Two bullets were recovered from her body during autopsy ... one from her head and one from her arm. As mom2many said above, the gunshot to the back went straight through. A third bullet was recovered from the wall.
The document doesn't say the bullet in the wall is the one that went straight through her, but we have three gunshot wounds and three bullets, with nothing pointing to a fourth shot.
It is not unusual for people who report hearing gunshots to be wrong about how many were actually fired. As someone with next door neighbors who likes to shoot their guns A LOT (which is allowed here), I can tell you it's sometimes difficult to recall the number of shots, especially if it wakes me.
I feel certain all three shots came from Taylor. To me, the idea that Davey shot her before leaving for the gym, then the thugs were ordered to finish her off, seems far-fetched. They didn't even "finish her off." She was STILL alive.
In the early part of the document It states the info given by the hospital was two gunshot wounds and a possible third - i's the autopsy bit whic confirms the third. Lazy reading - I didn't read it properly or right through.
Correct Jude; The early report by the hospital was two gunshot wounds with a possible third, then the autopsy confirmed there was the third. The fourth bullet was confirmed as being found in the lower wall, baseboard area. This totals FOUR gunshots.
I suppose if one wanted to dispute about it, they could speculate that only one bullet was fired, ricocheting from the head to the shoulder then down into the arm and out into the wall. But that's a little ridiculous, wouldn't you say?
I think many (if not most) were confused by Peter's final conclusion being only related to Davey's mysterious sex life which has yet to be known and defined, if at all?
After all the many posts, many of those finding deceit as well as hatred of Amanda in Davey's posts, even in his sermons, insulting to her both before and after the murder, as well as mutilating the Holy Word repeatedly; additionally finding holes in the shooter's and other burglars timeline as well as Daveys? Absolutely it was confusing. To say the least.
Only two bullets were recovered from Amanda's body. One was found in the wall (technically, the base of the stairwell). That's three bullets total.
She had three gunshot wounds, but one shot went straight through and was no longer in her body.
Sorry to sound like a broken record, but it is what it is.
Everything I'm saying is in the court documents.
We have now backed off a bit and said simply that DB is guilty of "something." We just aren't sure what that is.
Apparently LE agrees that he is not connected with his wife's murder.
Are we letting it rest now? Is this all there is now? I've really enjoyed reading all of this.
(Intentional and cognizant use of "me", because I mean the collective group.)
I still think he is absolutely connected. . .way too many coincidences that morning. . . then the behavior since then, the interviews, the statement analysis. I hope this isn't the end of our discussion. It feels like in some way, we are the voice of Amanda and crying for justice for her and if we let it rest, it will never happen. . .
If only Davey had been like Faustino Valdez in the disappearance of his girlfriend Marisol Espinoza in Dallas - for he has apparently given several different versions of what happened on the morning she went missing. . . paraphrasing, but first he said it was like a normal day and she got up, took a shower and put on her makeup and work clothes and "just got up and left to work" - then he said he dropped her off at work . . . multiple versions of the same situation from the boyfriend would raise a red flag that he could be involved for sure - and now he has disappeared.
Then again, Indy Metro and FBI should've been looking at what Davey said and did on the morning of Amanda's murder and since then - connecting the dots, following up on the Facebook connections that posters here have sent to them, looking at video from the gym, questioning Meg and Ryan, using their years of experience and intuition to sort things out and realize that things are not always as they seem at first.
Then again, maybe things were exactly as they seemed at first to LE and it's a matter of being sure there is enough evidence to make charges stick.
I keep coming back to the 911 call and how nothing Davey said indicated to the operator that it was a crime scene he found when he arrived home. True, we don't know what he said in the call because it has not yet been released - but whatever he said or whatever information he included or omitted, the operator thought it was just a medical issue and had nothing whatsoever to do with a crime. Why wouldn't he have at least said that it looked as though someone other than Amanda and Weston had been in the house while he was away - that alone would've made a difference in which personnel were rolled by the 911 operator.
Countless numbers of us on here feel that the police would've been summoned as well as medical had he said there were Swisher Sweets on the counter that weren't his, that Amanda was partially unclothed, that furniture was disturbed and that her injuries were as severe as they were and also were obviously not the result of a slip and fall (as it seems that he almost made it sound).
Add to this that he told police he left the door unlocked, that this happened so conveniently during the window of time that he was at the gym, that he waited on the driveway on the phone for so long after arriving home, that his friend tweeted almost immediately after the call that he loves their Tuesday morning conversations. . .
Then, take into account his sermons before this happened, the anger and frustration he clearly felt toward Amanda - then all of the comments and distancing language since, the T shirts and fundraising, the slipups he has made in interviews (like saying God had used the Levi Lusko video to prepare his heart leading up to Amanda's death, and then almost immediately realizing what he had said and saying God had used it to, uh, to comfort him since then) - trying his best in interviews to make some tears, looking down at his hand and twisting his wedding band not once but twice, never answering the questions directly, never denying he was involved or saying he loved Amanda.
It didn't seem as though anything was going to happen to Scott Peterson at first, either - and then things broke open and secrets began to come out.
Here's hoping something will crack in this case, sooner rather than later.
flightfulbird
Well, I think I haven't quite finished the discussion, Flightful, but I also still need to do some more research before suggesting what I am thinking/wondering because it is a sensitive subject. My last few posts on this thread highlight my carelessness. I don't want to present it so that it could look like I am just pulling it out of thin air. I want to be sure it's at least feasible, and to double check stuff so that it doesn't draw a reprimand. If Peter does put up a new Blackburn post I think to post in this thread anyway, just in case, as fewer people will still be reading it. Lol, well, no-one wants to be the one who pushes the envelope too far, especially on a new thread.
Me21 - How can you say or know for sure that LE agree that Davey is not connected to Amanda's murder? I haven't heard those specific words issued by LE, that they agree Davey is not connected with his wife's murder. With whom do you say they agree?
Bad JuJu, your post of 1/10 @7:45 pm; I am the anon who mentioned there were four shots/bullets, not three. You could be right of course, that only two bullets were recovered from Amanda's body and one from the wall making that three bullets. After the autopsy report was made public, I understood it to mean there were THREE bullets recovered from the body, then that left one that had been recovered from the wall. I could have been mistaken and apologize if I was. In the long run, does it really matter?
What really matters in my opinion is that Amanda was murdered and HOW she was murdered. Whether it was two bullets, three bullets or four bullets; there could have been no mistaking when Davey "says" he walked into the house and placed his call for emergency treatment, by his own admission; he IMPLIED in his call that Amanda had suffered a fall in an accident knocking over a decorated ladder and a planter; thereby eluding a LE response investigation until he could get her out of the house. If this isn't suspicious of Davey Blackburn I don't know what the hell is!!! For God's sakes, how could anyone read it any differently?!!
There she lay, OBVIOUSLY dying, with her mouth bashed in, a tooth missing and her mouth pouring blood; with her panties pulled off and her shirt pushed up leaving her naked body exposed; AND with duct tape and the panties lying beside her, AND with her blood spattered AND gushing out of her body all around her. THEN him discovering her open purse on the counter with joint paraphernalia there too, and he doesn't recognize this was a burglary and attempted murder and rape?? LIAR!
The b'stard COVERED this deliberately and we all know it. There is no question, only misguided judgment on the part of anyone who questions or judges it wrongly.
No LE investigation of this lo-life, just a conversation with him when they caught up with him at the hospital; no taking HIM down to headquarters for an in depth interview of how he could possibly NOT see that his wife had been shot and forcefully attacked, and no poly, allowing him to go scott free with disposal of their computers, phones, HER journals, and carpet cleaning;, NO QUESTIONS, even allowing him to have the evidence (carpeting) cleaned the next day and the wall repaired! "They "know" who did it and it wasn't him".
They've got tapes that they hadn't even reviewed yet. Oh yeah? He had no part in it. unhuh.... right. He passed right by the "burglarers" on his way to and from the gym as they scatted over to HIS nearby ATM, leaving little Taylor at his house to do "the dirty work", then having to drive all the way back to get him, but he saw nothing, heard nothing. Yeah, he's innocent, all right. PULeeze, let me sell you the toll booth, okay?
AND declaring him 100% innocent in Amanda's murder that same day with NO investigation other than confirming that he had been at the gym during the time period he "said" she was invaded upon; and oh, with him so conveniently leaving the door open! And now the matter has been dropped with a loud thud?!!! Fools.
Preacher Nobel is a very rich man pulling in 34M A YEAR, carrying a big EXPENSIVE stick, throwing his weight around all the way up to Nancy Grace, and has a lot of influence while maintaining his own legal team. Right. His little branch off the vine protégé' Davey is innocent. The shame of it all, while Amanda lies dead, brutally done in by the wiles of her own husband. Poor girl, one of Gods' own children, she HAD to know she lived in danger every day of her life. I am SO sorry for her. MEANWHILE back at the ranch, Davey moves on innocent as a little lamb. Yeah right. God will get him in the end even if no one else does, AND all those too who have helped to shield him. ABB
Flightful Bird, great post and exactly how I feel. Too many coincidences, strange timeline, odd behavior (before and after the crime) and the list goes on. I saw this morning that David Bowie died. :( His son tweeted how extremely sad he is and that he would be offline for a while. Normal Grieving Behavior!
I am kind of late in the discussion on all of this but did you guys see the last Instagram that Amanda posted? It must have been posted right before she died because it was 9wks ago. Of course her very last post is of him and her praising him and what a great husband, dad, pastor etc he is! And how studly. I could almost believe he posted it himself. ha! It just fits what I see to be extreme narcissism from this guy.
Do we have the very last twitter message went out by Amanda?
If so, could some one please post it here?
If it is actually a praise of her husband, I would like to see it.
Peter
Peter,
Here: https://twitter.com/watchkeep/status/685669733631303680?lang=en
~C
I think this is the Instagram post Bingo was talking about: https://www.instagram.com/p/9lp_PAL6QU/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
amandagblackburn "30 looks real good on you @daveyblackburn! Happy Birthday! You are such a loyal follower of Jesus, attentive Husband, amazing Dad, and exceptional Pastor! Thank you for leading by example every day of your life! You are loved!! And really studly!! ❤️
xoxo"
Well, I see that D actually posted about the two month anniversary but his wording is just odd. ..."my life was suddenly and drastically altered. I miss AG terribly but holding onto hope. and there it is again, "Nothing is Wasted" How about my life was completely torn apart. And what about Amanda? It is always just about D! Why not say, "I can't believe she had to endure that kind of fear and pain. What must have that been like for her. It haunts me daily. I miss her and love her every single day and right now I am just going to mourn." The reason I think he never ever says anything like that is because he feels too guilty.
AND CD, something was wasted! IT WAS! Stop saying that! A young life full of potential was snuffed out in a brutal, awful way while your baby was in the house.
Yeah Bingo3 - odd words - his life was ALTERED?
Altered is a word that describes a situation like if you are on the freeway and have to divert to a different freeway / longer path to get to your destination - your route was altered. No big deal, took the longer way around, maybe you arrived late but everything still worked out ok in the end.
This "freeway" or path of his current life was obliterated by a major earthquake and would never reopen - the alternate routes were obliterated as well - no way ever again to get to the future of him and Amanda and Weston and Evie together - and he says "altered"?
This choice of words two months later shows just how much he doesn't care. Yes, what you said - life completely torn apart - life being shattered, changed forever, would never be the same. There are a ton of more descriptive words he could've used - IF he had been feeling them.
flightfulbird
Nothing is wasted . . .squawk. . .nothing is wasted. . .squawk. . . nothing is wasted. . . squawk - like a parrot repeating what it hears over and over and over.
flightfulbird
Amanda's sister posted a nice tribute post and a video of the last day Amanda was alive (a security camera at the indoor park they took the kids). On the post, what stood out to me was when she was telling about what they were talking about, one of the things was "how Amanda broke the news to Davey about the pregnancy". Broke the news is something I associate with telling someone something not good.
Definitely, anonymous at 3:32pm - "broke the news" vs something like "shared the news" or "told him about it" - broke seems to indicate bad, something that it's hard to sort out how to best or most easily tell the person.
flightfulbird
Yes, Anon, I noticed that also about breaking the news to Davey about the baby. I am not sure she thought of it as a bad thing but it sounds like it was a surprise to Davey. It sounds like it was unexpected. Trigger possibly?
Also, something bothers me about this last instagram.
https://www.instagram.com/p/9lp_PAL6QU/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
It flipped over to 10 wks this morning meaning it was posted 10 weeks ago today. Looking back, that would have been the day before Amanda died. Odd, especially considering that she didn't post much at all. If he posted it, (which I would not put anything past him and all of the odd coincidences) he wanted to make sure her last written words were about him! The thing about being such a great pastor? Sounds like him to me. If she did write it and felt that way about him, then that is wonderful. LAST thing, but what in the world was he wearing? Tight jeans, skater shoes And that low cut shirt?
Hey Jude - I enjoy reading your posts, and am still checking in here. I am suspicious of Amanda's final post. If she did write it, I find it interesting that she wrote "You are loved" instead of "I love you", or the shortened "Love you". "You are loved" sounds distant to me.
Amanda's last tweet was #ForIndy and how they spent Friday night working for the cause. It was posted on Aug 21, 2015
https://twitter.com/AmandaGrace?lang=en
And then years ago she wished DB a happy bday.
AmandaGrace @AmandaGrace 2 Nov 2013
HAPPY BIRTHDAY @daveyblackburn! You are an incredible Christ-follower, husband, pastor, leader and… http://instagram.com/p/gNwdEjL6TA/
There are no recent tweets by Amanda praising DB. None.
Mannequin -
Amanda's post wasn't on twitter - it was on Instagram, which says 10 weeks ago.
https://www.instagram.com/p/9lp_PAL6QU/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
Compare the two birthday wishes from Amanda to DB. Each accompanied an instagram photo.
114 weeks ago:
"HAPPY BIRTHDAY @daveyblackburn! You are an incredible Christ-follower, husband, pastor, leader and friend! You deserve an amazing birthday! Love you much! xoxo"
10 weeks ago:
"30 looks real good on you @daveyblackburn! Happy Birthday! You are such a loyal follower of Jesus, attentive Husband, amazing Dad, and exceptional Pastor! Thank you for leading by example every day of your life! You are loved!! And really studly!! ❤️
xoxo"
More:
23 weeks ago on their anniversary, Amanda says this on instagram:
"Happy 7 years @daveyblackburn! 7 is the perfect number so I'm believing this will be our best year yet! Life with you is fast, intense and stretching...but I've never been more fulfilled! Thank you for leading me and never letting me settle! ❤️"
https://www.instagram.com/p/52xnudL6S6/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
Stretching?????????
36 weeks ago "man crush monday #mcm":
https://www.instagram.com/p/2RHsaLL6aH/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
"#mcm This guy typically falls asleep on the couch by 8:30 every night bc he's spent his whole day being an awesome husband, dad and pastor!
He is the hardest worker I've ever met. He does so much to support our family and keep us a priority. He challenges and stretches me just by his example."
"stretches" - interesting word choice again.
44 weeks:
https://www.instagram.com/p/0Bzd4Nr6Tq/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
"My Man Crush Monday! @daveyblackburn is quite literally the greatest (& hottest) husband and dad! I wish people could know him like I do!"
62 weeks ago:
https://www.instagram.com/p/u6gQNjL6Qc/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
"HAPPY BIRTHDAY @daveyblackburn! You are more than I could have asked or imagined in every area of life! Here's to you! #almost30"
There are several areas of Amanda's praise of Davey that I question in the post of ten weeks ago. Not only the wording "stretches me" which makes no sense, but also where she thanks him for "leading me and never letting me settle" which is really an assignined thing to say when you think about it as a true follower of Jesus Christ (which Amanda was), does not need to be "led" to follow him. They just do, and will fight against you if you try to 'lead' them in any other way.
Finally, the most questionable thing "she" supposedly said was where she says "and really studly." STUDLY? S.T.U.D.L.Y.?! Where did Amanda ever use this word before? Amanda was a woman of pride and embarrassed when Davey showed public displays of their sexuality. This sounds entirely like words from Davey Blackburn, always self-praising and seeking attention to his sexual ego and manliness. ABB
FlightfulBird, I absolutely agree with your post of 1/10 @11:08. Beyond question, there are way too many blatant coincidences here, making it so easy to connect the dots. The problem is that LE never tried to interview him or connect the dots, which are so obvious. They cleared and allowed him to run rampant hiding his guilt and destroying evidence that led right back to him. (Remember, his mentor Nobel is a man of high influences with far reaching tentacles. NOT a fact to be taken lightly or ignored).
Further, I can't agree with Peter's analysis as to how 'smart' Davey is and how it would take a highly skilled interviewer to interview him. There are several posters here who have a higher IQ than Davey Blackburn does, including yours truly.
Last but not least; when a man mutilates the Word of God and tries to use it to his own monetary advantage, which is as plain as the nose on your face, and particularly one who claims to be a leader/pastor, he is NOT a smart man. Generally speaking, even an atheist doesn't do this. I know, I was once married to one who was a very brilliant, highly educated and sincere man and not a fool like Davey Blackburn is; nor did he have the need to prove his sexuality. He was a normal man in every way with an exceptionally high IQ; so yes, I do know the difference.
It would be SO easy to tear apart every word this dummy says. He is by no means a man of intellectual abilities. Actually, he is rather stupid in many areas. ABB
Notice the capitalization of Husband, Dad, and Pastor in the Happy Birthday post of 10 weeks ago. Compare to the other birthday posts written by Amanda. She didn't write the one with the capitals. Can't see her posting the word "studly" either from what I've heard about her and read about her. SM
Thank you for pointing this out, SM. Quite obvious, isn't it?
Davey LOVES that word 'stud.' He actually referred to little Weston as a 'stud.' Referring to a baby as a stud! The b'stard is sick in the head. For real. I can't believe he actually has anyone fooled with how 'smart' he is. Hell, he isn't even real good at being crafty. He gives it a good go, but I've certainly known better. C'rap, even I could do it better than he does. ABB
Anon SM, it isn't even hard for someone to go into your accounts and modify your posts if they know how to do it. Hard to believe, but it IS possible.
I've known someone who could do this, and DID, actually submitting the modified copies to the court as proof that the sender sent those posts when the sender had not sent the modified copies to the recipient. If the original sender of the posts had not retained their sender copies showing proof of date and time stamped, this person would have been up the creek legally and with no standing. ABB
Why would Davey bother to change that Instagram post when there are tons of others where she's heaping praise on him? She says he's her best friend, he's hot, he's a fine-looking piece of eye candy, he's the best husband/dad/pastor ever, he's the hardest worker she ever met, she hopes Weston grows up to be just like his daddy, etc. etc. She gushes about him frequently.
She says similarly wonderful things in the pics with her dad, too (with the exception of talking about how hot he is, of course, haha).
So she capitalized a few words in her final post that she did not capitalize in previous posts? Meh. Why focus on the only difference while ignoring the many similarities ... the many exclamation points, the "xoxo," the glowing praise?
From Anon SM 5:13----Notice the capitalization of Husband, Dad, and Pastor in the Happy Birthday post of 10 weeks ago. Compare to the other birthday posts written by Amanda. She didn't write the one with the capitals. Can't see her posting the word "studly" either from what I've heard about her and read about her. SM--------------
SM,The capitalization caught my attention too. And the studly thing, realllly? I was chatting with Concerned the other day and she brought up an interesting point. Pastors from these New Springs churches are VERY protective of their images as husbands, etc. It wouldn't surprise us if she allowed him to sometimes post for her or he told her that he needed to post certain things in relation to him. This guy is a complete control freak but also charming enough to get away with his behavior in the name of religion. If this was posted the day before she died, I think it was posted without her even knowing because he already had access to her accounts. I know this sounds a little crazy but what about this case has not been crazy! He is a narcissists and this is what narcissists do! Her last words had to be about him.
Here's another Instagram post where she uses the word "stud," so it's inaccurate to say she'd never use that word or that only Davey would use that word: https://www.instagram.com/p/pHR85oL6cV/?taken-by=amandagblackburn
From 82 weeks ago:
"HAPPY BIRTHDAY Jamich!!!
You have always been a stud & a dufus at the same time! So proud to be your sister! @jamesbyars"
And JuJu, none of us would even be analyzing a Instagram post if we didn't think every other single thing he has done before and after she died was completely out of character of a grieving husband. Not just out of character, completely bizarre. Narcissism from day one including advertising himself in her obituary. Posting a picture of himself with her praising him the day before she died, yep, sounds about right.
And ABB, I share your frustration. If they had taken him into questioning from day one, I think they would have learned a lot. It frustrates me that they cleared him so quickly. Some think the police or detectives did this to have him hang himself. I don't think it is over. But was he really allowed to quickly bring in a clean-up crew? On that Wednesday? Wasn't she still in the hospital? So he is calling in cleaning crews and ordering t-shirts, while she was on life-support? How could you even be thinking that clearly? But some argue he was too confused to realize his wife had not had an accident but that she had been brutally shot, stripped of her clothing and robbed? Whatevs!
That is one part that always bothered me. The fact that Davey could walk in and see Amanda laying there, with nothing on but a pulled up t-shirt. We're not talking about a whorehouse, crackhouse, junkie-fueled environment here, we are talking about a "woman of God", a Pastor's wife. How is it Davey does not immediately raise the red flags when he walks in and see's his wife on the ground, almost nude? Put the gunshots, busted lip, missing tooth and EVERYTHING else aside. Most men would be raging on this point alone, not Davey, he doesn't even mention this in any of his interviews.
On a sidenote, regarding the pregnancy, I don't think Davey wanted another baby, especially a girl. I think Amanda wanted the baby and planned the baby. I think Amanda wanted something out of all that sex she had to submit to.
Bobcat - I just checked in on this thread and see there are loads of new comments. I don't have time to follow any of it closely right now, but I hope to have time again in a few days. I'll read as much as I can - Amber's post on her FB was interesting.
Bad Juju said...
Why would Davey bother to change that Instagram post when there are tons of others where she's heaping praise on him? She says he's her best friend, he's hot, he's a fine-looking piece of eye candy, he's the best husband/dad/pastor ever, he's the hardest worker she ever met, she hopes Weston grows up to be just like his daddy, etc. etc. She gushes about him frequently.
Are you sure that Amanda is the one gushing about him frequently? Which sounds more logical: all those "gushing" words from Amanda OR all those "gushing" words from Davey? SM
Which sounds more logical? It's more logical that she herself wrote all those gushing Instagram posts about Davey that sound exacly like all the Instagram posts where she's gushing about her dad, brother, sister, sister-in-law, friends, niece, Baptisms, etc. Seriously, she was often super-excited about whatever super-awesome thing she was posting [exclamation point]. That's just how she was, seems to me. All the posts on that account sound like they were written by the same person. Same with her Twitter account.
Change Week 3 - Change My Relationship
"I think it's like they were ready to get some blood, kay like afraid as if - same thing as if someone were to break into my house.... oh I'm afraid but I got my gun right next to me, ok? Some of you, listen, some of you are like, "I believe in gun control". (laughs) so do I, you break into my house, I have a gun I will control you with it, okay? Just sayin'..."
~Davey Blackburn
Since we've heard over and over that the police said early on that Davey was not a suspect,
it's interesting to note this quote from the attorney of DJ Creato who was arraigned today for killing his little boy last year:
"In the days after the body was found, Fuschino had said investigators told him his client was not a suspect."
Don't lose heart, folks...Davey's day is coming!
I'm happy you guys are still posting about the case. I've had to take a break and hope somebody in Davey's life is talking!
Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/DJ-Creato-Brendan-Creato-Father-Murder-Charges-365004801.html#ixzz3x4dc2zVP
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"Guys, I can't tell you how excited I am to have my pastor and friend, @perrynoble with us @resonateindy this Sunday!! Off the charts pumped!"
DB 1/12/2016
Bad Juju,
DB too is often "excited" and "pumped" (see above) in his social media postings. It has been said before that the hyperbole in DB & Amanda's social media posts may indicate the opposite. Things may not all have been well, but the appearance of everything being wonderful was extremely important for marketing the family businesses.
I am aware of that, Bobcat. I was talking about the assertion that Davey either A) wrote that Instagram post himself or B) edited it after she died. I think that's hogwash. I also do not believe he was forcing her to make glowing posts about him anymore than I believe he was forcing her to make glowing posts about her friends, family members, etc.
These latest posts by everyone have been great to read. I can totally feel all of your frustration at DB. In response to ABBs post at I believe 8:49, I agree with you 100%. I too am so bothered at how LE could rule DB out so fast when other cases, they have to interview the husband and verify everything he told them. They didn't have the suspects caught yet but DB was cleared right away because he was at the gym when she was shot. That's not a good enough reason. I also find it frustrating that we don't have more information about that morning such as whether AB was up yet when he left, what time he left, why was the dog in a cage, why did he leave the door unlocked and was that his usual way to leave the home etc. There are just so many things that would be helpful, basic things, that are not being written about. Nor did anyone interviewing him from the media ask. i just really want to know how it is humanly possible to clear the husband instantly? That is crazy. That never happens. Normally they interview the spouse, confirm alibi, verify what he told them with other people he knows. Interview family, friends and coworkers to get ideas of how their marriage was. Do forensic testing. Look at bank accounts, church accounts, other financial records. But no, he was 100% cleared the next day. I'm just scratching my head at this. Also, my thoughts on the Instagram posts or what ever social media she was on, calling DB hot or studly seems contrived or forced. He's totally the type of guy that would love to be told how hot he is. I wouldn't doubt it if he made her write that kind of stuff or made her praise his hotness. He wanted everyone to see how his wife worshipped him. His image is everything to him. Everything.
They already had the video proving he was at the gym prior to announcing he was 100 percent cleared, so they had confirmed his alibi for the time of the shooting.
Exactly Pak, I assumed it was just protocol to take the husband into questioning because of the high percentage probability of spousal involvement. You have to ask the hard questions and get all the facts. So you show up for a very short time at the gym and get yourself on camera? That is not enough reason not to question every detail! AGREED! Did they want him to think he wasn't a suspect so he would not be careful and slip up? Still they should have questioned him and questioned him hard.
I am very surprised Perry Noble is coming to Resonate! There is doubt ALL OVER the place in regard to Davey's involvement, I would think PN would distance himself from this? Hmmm, that is a sermon I really want to see! This bizarro show goes on....
Nobody is disagreeing that Davey was seen on video in the gym during a certain timeframe - it's what he said and did in the days and weeks before "the event" that are concerning to us, not to mention his behavior on the morning it happened - and since then.
I don't feel that seeing Davey on video in the gym that morning proves that he had nothing to do with inflicting any of the injuries on Amanda or with setting this up - and neither do many of the other posters on this site. Confirming his alibi - there was alot of that going on that morning wasn't there - Kenneth Wagner tweeting so conveniently was a major red flag, or it should've been.
Mark Sievers was in Connecticut with his wife's family while two of his friends were brutally murdering his wife with a hammer (or two). The Lee County sheriff's office personnel KNOW he set it up and have a ton of evidence to prove it, yet he is freely roaming about Bonita Springs right now - and this happened last June. It has only been two months since Amanda was murdered. Here's hoping the same thing is happening in Indianapolis - that IMPD and the FBI are building a case that will be solid and irrefutable and making sure that the evidence will convince a jury as well.
Remember that one reporter said (paraphrasing) that police wanted him to tell everyone (or get across to people) that Davey was 100% - actually 150% cleared. . . and this was really early on. Someone else said they wondered what 80% cleared would look like. Thinking about it, that sort of hyperbole reportedly stated by police to the reporter to say on the air really almost does seem like they wanted him to think they weren't looking at him at all - so he would totally let down his guard and they could see what he would do and say next.
Now I sound like the parrot repeating things over and over, but the 911 call has to be a major, major clue - what Davey said and did not say, information left out, tone of voice, did he say he had just returned from the gym (of course he did - but that is also creating an alibi right up front). These investigators HAD to know he wasn't being straight with the 911 operator once they walked into that scene that morning after being called by the Engine 12 EMTs. Not indicating to 911 that it was clearly a crime scene was, I hope, the catalyst to spur some further investigation.
Concerned at 6:03pm, you gave me hope tonight that Davey's day will come, since it took months before DJ Creato was finally snagged for his son's murder.
There are not enough words to say how much I wish we could hear a tape of that 911 call tonight.
flightfbulbird
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Flightfulbird, my post about his alibi being confirmed was in response to this statement by Pak: "i just really want to know how it is humanly possible to clear the husband instantly? That is crazy. That never happens. Normally they interview the spouse, confirm alibi, verify what he told them with other people he knows. Interview family, friends and coworkers to get ideas of how their marriage was. Do forensic testing. Look at bank accounts, church accounts, other financial records. But no, he was 100% cleared the next day."
I was just clarifying they had confirmed his alibi before announcing he was cleared. They know he was at the gym when she was killed. And nobody here knows how much interviewing and investigating the police did or didn't do, people just like to state it as fact that they didn't ask this, didn’t do that, etc. If you read the court doc, they had quite a few investigators on the case from the get-go.
I'm quite aware of the "100 percent" issue as it pertains to the principles of statement analysis. I'm also aware of what a sketchy 911 call sounds like. Peter's posts about 911 calls have always been my favorites.
You say "of course" he told 911 he just returned from the gym ... how the heck do you know that?
A lot of folks are "100 percent" certain he didn't convey to the 911 operator that it was a possinble assault, but that might not be the case. The 911 operator likely dispatched fire dept/EMTs as soon as Davey said she was injured and unconscious but then continued to question him further. The operator might have been passing that info along to the EMTs as they were en route. The fact that the EMTs requested the police might not be as ominous you hope it is.
Bad Juju, my post at 12:05am wasn't directed at you - unless I address a previous poster with a name and sometimes the time the posted, my posts are just sorting through my thoughts and writing them out.
This is obviously a forum where we are seeking the truth, bouncing ideas off of each other and raising questions - it is also obviously a forum where most of us share the opinion that something isn't right with this whole situation and that Davey Blackburn is involved.
Now responding to your last post at 1:01am -
With respect to my statement about Davey telling the 911 operator he had just returned from the gym ("of course he did"), that was tongue in cheek and is something about which the forum posters have joked in live chat as well as in forum posts - - but also a very real possibility. His identity is tied to the gym. On Resonate's Facebook page (which we believe he writes), a statement posted in the immediate aftermath of the murder said (paraphrasing now) Tuesday afternoon our pastor Davey Blackburn RETURNED FROM THE GYM (or returned home from the gym) to find his wife Amanda . . . . - and then related the circumstances and asked for prayer or whatever.
I do not see that post on the Resonate page tonight (which it's interesting that it's not) but it was definitely there - the wording struck me when I read it, just as it did in Amanda's obituary where it said "Amanda is survived by her husband Davey Blackburn and son Weston. Davey is the pastor of Resonate Church of Indianapoilis." - and then it goes on to list Amanda's parents, sister and brother in law and other relatives as is usually done in an obit.
I'm not sure if I've ever read an obituary where the occupation of one of the people left behind is noted - it is not uncommon for the decedent's occupation to be noted but not so much the husband or family. It's not just about her, ever - it's always about the church and/or about him, as well.
With respect to the theory that the 911 operator dispatched fire dept/EMTs but then continued to question Davey further - definitely possible that he was still on the call when the EMTs were sent.
Yet, the affidavit of probable cause states this on page 14 of 25 -
-"At 8:22am November 10, 2015, David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife, Amanda Blackburn, inured and unconscious on the living room floor of their home at 2812 Sunnyfield Court."
-"Indianapolis Fire Dept 12 responded to the scene."
-"At 8:30am, IFD 12 requested the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department to respond for a possible assault."
Spin this any way possible but the language in the affidavit implies / indicates that Engine 12 EMTs walked into the house, realized this was a crime scene immediately and requested IMPD immediately. Most, if not all of the posters here will still always believe that if Davey had told the 911 operator that his wife was lying in a pool of blood, unclothed from the waist down, split lip, tooth knocked out - and had told the operator that it was obvious that someone had been in his house while he was gone and that there was clear evidence of a struggle - that this was a crime scene - the 911 operator would've rolled IMPD immediately.
Bad Juju, no disrespect intended but when reading the posts you've made today and tonight, it seems (to me) that you have a more defensive stance towards the occurrences of that morning than some other posters -more than just being objective and trying to see both sides - and I am curious as to why.
Link to affidavit of probable cause -
http://www.scribd.com/doc/291143533/Affidavit-of-Probable-Cause-in-Amanda-Blackburn-Case#scribd
And the paragraph as copied directly from it (spelling corrected, mispelled "injured" in previous post) -
"At 8:22 A.M., November 10, 2015, David Blackburn called 911 reporting that he found his wife, Amanda Blackburn, injured and unconscious on the living room floor of their home at 2812 Sunnyfield Court. Indianapolis Fire Department Engine 12 responded to the scene. At 8:30 A.M., IFD 12 requested the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department to respond for a possible assault."
I take Perry Noble's coming to Resonate to preach as Davey needing a shot of "credibility" and his "shareholders" needing reassurance. It's been months since Davey actually "communicated" what his mentor and followers perceive as a real sermon (i.e. actually "led" his congregation). His congregation is following Davey, not Jesus. No Davey to entertain and maintain means his followers will move on in search of the next entertaining pastor= loss of revenue and credibility. IMO, Perry Noble's coming to give a blood transfusion. Amanda's death hasn't drawn the expected crowd, but Davey's taken some social media hits. Not to be flippant about Amanda here-Perry's coming to breath life into Resonate because Amanda dying didn't.
Aside to Davey Blackburn: You're nothing like Ezekiel.
1. Ezekiel's wife wasn't pregnant.
2. Ezekiel wasn't crudely talking sex with Israel every Sabbath.
3. God told Ezekiel the plan and why it was happening before it went down.
4. Ezekiel was the prophet to Israel at the time; You're neither Jewish,a prophet, nor Israel's prophet appointed by God.
5. God struck Ezekiel's wife; not a gang-banging thug off the street with his motley crew.
6. Ezekiel didn't hit the gym every morning, leave the front door unlocked, or sit outside talking on his cell phone.
7. Ezekiel's wife didn't have a 15 month-old son that she was the primary caregiver for.
8. God didn't leave Ezekiel's wife naked from the waist down with her shirt pulled up too.
9. God didn't shoot Ezekiel's wife 3 times.
Dear Resonators- You need to read your Bible for yourselves. You are being taken for a ride. Davey Blackburn is not Ezekiel and Amanda and her baby weren't murdered to further God's kingdom or Resonate's growth. Jesus said, "The thief comes only to steal, kill, and destroy; I have come that they may have life and have it abundantly.". John 10:10 You might want to ask yourselves why your pastor is playing Amanda and her baby being brutally murdered as a God-ordered thing. It wasn't. Read your Bible for yourself. Why would God create and form the baby in her womb, only to kill it with her 12 weeks later? God's not into killing babies. Remember that commandment "Thou shalt not kill (the actual definition is "murder-to kill without just cause")." God had nothing to do with Amanda's murder, nor her baby's murder. God also said, "...my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6 Your pastor is willfully twisting the Word of God to fit his situation. You should read Ezekiel 24 and Ezekiel 33:21-33. It is situation-specific to Israel and the fall of Jerusalem.
I looked at the Resonate Church Indy Facebook page again - the posting from November 10th has definitely been altered / shortened. Instead of talking about how pastor Davey Blackburn returned from the gym and found Amanda and telling of the circumstances and asking for prayer - now it just says "We don't know what to do, but our eyes are on You". I think that was at the end of the original post, cannot remember for sure but those words sound familiar.
It's mysterious that this post would be changed so drastically - now I'm trying to think of reasons why it would be? There were a ton of comments in response to the post - you can tell from the content of them that this was originally a longer post explaining what had happened to Amanda. None of the responses make sense if they are in response to a post that just says what it says now.
I'm not trying to jump into the fray here, but it does take even LE time to track back financials (checking and savings accounts-personal and LLC- authorized signers, SDB authorized signers and contents, Life Insurance policies and beneficiaries, etc.)- all of which require legal documentation on LE's part. LE can't just show up at a financial institution or insurance company and verbally inform the trustee that they're investigating and the institution just releases any and all information on the spot.
No offense intended to anyone related to or friends of Amanda, but LE would have had to also investigate the possibility that Amanda herself may have been involved in illegal activity- particularly with an execution style shot to the back of the head at close range. They also would have needed time to establish, Davey's gym-alibi not withstanding, that Amanda's murder wasn't revenge-motivated. They would have needed time to establish Davey had zero connections (like drug use, steroid use, money laundering, selling drugs via the gym, etc.). Indy had 135 murders; 151 homicides for 2015 (9th in the country) http://fox59.com/2015/01/18/indy-ranks-in-top-ten-for-murder/ . This case was not their only concern at the time. Half of their case remain unsolved-they are outnumbered and out-manned. Between taking samples and waiting for the necessary lab results, without an immediate suspect identified and picked up for questioning, they could not possibly have actually done the legwork, friend and family interviews, social media research, and legally required financial paperwork to "clear" Davey in less than 24 hours.
Please allow me to clarify, lest someone misunderstand. I am not saying Amanda was involved in anything illegal. Simply put, LE has certain formulas that they work, based on statistical probability, experience, forensics, and criminal behavior training.
In order to build credible cases, they have to consider the possibilities and eliminate them, which takes time.
Fools, I agree a proper murder investigation takes far longer than 24 hours, but I do believe that IMPD had a pretty solid idea in that 24 hours that Davey did not shoot her. At that point, they already had witness statements as well as video of the thugs breaking into houses and hanging around outside the Blackburn home. (Plus the video from the gym.)
And of course LE sometimes says someone is not a suspect when they actually are ... either way, I'm confident the police have been checking out all the things you listed as part of the investigation, even though they cleared him as the shooter very quickly.
Flightful, I've read the affidavit about a million times. (Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who has ... did you see the "four shots" discussion a couple days ago?) My theory that the 911 operator was passing along info to the EMTs while en route doesn't go against what the document says. They might have called for police as they were rolling up to the house. I don't know for sure, of course, but neither do the folks who insist Davey said nothing to the operator about her clothing, etc. The affidavit says NOTHING about EMTs entering the house before they called for police. That's just your interpretation.
I can't help but chuckle at your comment about my objectivity. You must be kidding. Most people here have decided Davey is guilty -- even though they're not really sure of what -- and spend all their time trying to make what little evidence we have fit into their convoluted (and sometimes absurd) "theories" ... when they're not busy writing Davey Blackburn Fanfiction, that is. Are you actually reading the comments here? Hahaha.
The "We don't know what to do, but our eyes are on you," phrase was from his Worship as Weapon sermon.
JuJu, it is in the affidavit (as many have already posted so sorry to repeat) that the police were not called until the EMT got there and saw the scene. It also states that Davey called and reported his wife had an accident. It is all there. MAJOR red flags! It also states that Davey was questioned at the hospital. Nothing in the aff. says that he was brought into the police station for questioning. Wouldn't that be in the affidavit if it happened? So we are just repeating the facts as we have known and read them. However, we do not know that he told the 911 operator he had just come home from the gym but many of us would bet really good money that he did!!
Fools, excellent post and I love your note to Resonate. I can't believe he has members! If my pastor brought a gun and shot it toward someone to convey a message, I would fly out the door and never look back. Not to mention all of his other pre-murder messages. Yikes. (capping heads, knocking out teeth, throwing his wife on the counter, etc) I just CAN'T believe Perry Noble is going to go preach at Resonate that is equivalent to a SS class at his New Springs?! This should be interesting. PN seemed to distance himself so much from CD. What in the world? Don't you think PN has his own doubts? WOW just WOW!
Yes Bingo, I know what it says. "Engine 12 responded to the scene" ... the scene being the Blackburn home. I know.
And it does NOT say he called and reported an accident. Where do you see the word "accident" in that affidavit?
Why would a probable cause affidavit for the charges against the three thugs mention whether Davey was taken to the police station? It's not a probable cause affidavit for charges against Davey. It gives the minimum info necessary for the charges against the thugs.
Here's an example of what I'm trying to say ... the affidavit says police obtained security video footage from the neighbors, but it doesn't say the police watched it. Do you think it's likely they did? Me too, but the document doesn't say so. Just like the document tells us what the witnesses (neighbors) said but doesn't include what they were asked by police ... but we know good and well the police asked them questions. Do you see what I'm saying? Just because something isn't explicitly spelled out in the affidavit doesn't mean it didn't happen.
Davey mentions murder and/or sex in almost every single sermon he does. He was fueled by both ideas and in my opinion, acted out on both.
When a man speaks about sex, drugs and murder this much, red flags should go up everywhere, despite his lock solid alibi. I've googled, but haven't had any success finding another case similar to this where the police come out that fast and clear a spouse. Anyone else? Are there any cases even similar to this? It's beyond bizarre at this point and pretty sure it will make the history books.
Maybe Davey will pen a book on how to be a Pastor and con artist at the same time.
Kate, I was stunned also when I saw that he was supposedly cleared so quickly! Even with an alibi (of course she was killed at the exact time he could be caught on camera somewhere else) I have never, ever seen a spouse off the hook within 24 hours. Did they have major suspicion of his connection and just wanted him to hang himself? I still think the "your not as smart as you think you are" could be directed at CD!! Or did they truly think he had absolutely nothing to do with it and decided to move on without checking for the obvious things such as computer searches(oh wait! the computer was conveniently stolen)or even just a sit down, interview that could be taped just to cover the basics with him. If anything, if he shows innocence by his ability to answer their questions without hesitation or guilt, it could be used to hang Larry Taylor. There is possibility that LT lawyer could raise reasonable doubt of possible spousal involvement. His lawyer could say his client doesn't remember anything and thinks she was already wounded when he got to the house. His plan was only to rob the house and he was too drunk to remember much anyway, etc. In that case, it could come up, why was husband never questioned?? I know his friends say LT bragged about killing her but I have not read anywhere he has actually confessed to authorities. Of course just throwing things out there but having a social work background, you always have to cover and document everything, just so nothing comes back to haunt you later on. I personally think that LE is still investigating him.
JuJu, you are right. We need to stop saying for sure he said "accident". We do know from the report, he did not appear to convey to 911 that there was criminal activity. The police were not called until paramedics arrived. They didn't get to the house until she was being carted out. This kept the police from being able to take quick pictures of the crime scene while it still existed. The authorities did not know she suffered fatal gun shot wounds (she was not expected her injuries) until they arrived at the hospital. All of the above came from affidavit. Also on affidavit, at the hospital, the detective realizing she has been shot, proceeds to question Davey. At this time, Davey clearly remember he left the door unlocked, she was laying face down in a pool of blood, her panties were beside her and her shirt was pushed up. He also seems to clearly remember cigars on the counter and her credit cards and wallet on the floor. I think we can come to the conclusion, he knew that there had been criminal activity in house but he did not communicate that to anyone through 911 call.
Yes CJ at 11:40am, he established the alibi of being at the gym from the very start - and the distancing of Davey and Weston from Amanda and the marginalizing/trivializing of the situation has been present from the very start - and it continues.
He just wrote on January 10th that his life has been "altered"... and remember the interview when Davey announced that Levi Lusko would be speaking at Resonate - he spoke of guiding or shepherding Weston through "this bit of chaos" - not through this tragedy, unthinkable situation, the loss of his mother or any strong words.
"Life was altered" and "bit of chaos" are not the correct choices of words for the timeframe immediately following the death of your wife and mother - even if it was in a car accident or from an aneurysm - much less through a beating and assault followed by an execution-style shooting - UNLESS you are somewhat unaffected by it, relieved by it, may have been involved in it.
It almost sounds like a move due to a house being burned to the ground in a fire or something like that - something totally disruptive but something that can be worked through. Life without your mate or mom will never be the same - that morning things changed forever but it just sounds like a car getting totaled and having to find another.
Fortunately, Weston is unaware of the circumstances right now. I wonder what he is thinking at his age. I wonder what he has been told and how much he can really understand. He is so young and tender. Much will be revealed to him when he is old enough to explore the internet, If he is curious about what happened to his mom.
The affidavit says Davey reported Amanda as being "injured and unconscious on the living room floor". I concur for sure that the affidavit doesn't contain each and every sentence that was spoken by everyone on that morning - how could it. It is absolutely true that we have no idea exactly what was said to 911 but I will always believe that 911 would've sent IMPD immediately along with IFD Engine 12 if the operator had a clue that the scene was what it actually was - and the only way they would've known the scene was what it was is if Davey gave an accurate description when he called them.
Why would he want to minimize the description? Someone can be injured and unconscious from a fall - police presence not needed. If he had reported her as lying in pools of blood, naked from the waist down, looked like victim of assault - telling 911 that someone had been in the home who shouldn't have been - any one of those statements would've triggered a different response and IMPD would've been there immediately without Engine 12 having to summon them.
No, we don't know that he left out those details - but I think the affidavit would've said that DAVEY reported a possible assault, not Engine 12 - if he had given the 911 operator something more than injured and unconscious. No, those might not have been his exact words but the implication is clear. If he had reported a home invasion and his wife being injured and unconscious, I really believe the affidavit would've said it.
Perry Noble even thought it was an accident from Davey's description to him - like falling off of a ladder or banging her head on the kitchen cabinet. From what I understand, it wasn't until the next day that he found out she had been shot. And, the Resonate statement says she suffered "a" gunshot wound - that also makes it sound like somewhat lesser of a situation and a nicer scene than it was. There is a huge difference between a clean shot in the chest where an intruder was trying to immobilize a homeowner and get away and the homeowner died from the gunshot - compared to Amanda's facial injuries and multiple gunshot wounds, one to the back of the head when clearly she was already no threat to an intruder.
About an alibi due to being seen on camera at the gym during a certain timeframe and "returning home from the gym to find his wife", that does not exclude Davey from (1) anything happening to Amanda by his hands before he left for the gym or (2) masterminding the whole thing but not touching her himself.
There is a great distance between "Davey did not shoot her" and "Davey not being involved in the slightest".
Bingo3 at 1:19pm, you said what I wanted to say in far fewer words, thanks !
Bingo, I hope you're right. After watching so many hours of Davey's footage and then going back to watch the presser's that le gave early on, just looks like a done deal to me. Could Taylor & Company plead out and avoid a trial altogether? Seems possible to me.
If LT's lawyers are smart, they will TOTALLY use all of this information to cast reasonable doubt on their client or even flat-out prove that Davey was involved somehow. It could eventually lead LE to take a closer look at Davey and all of his statements and actions before and after "the event" (if they aren't already taking a closer look, and I sure hope they are. . . )
Thinking about it from the reverse angle, what's the evidence to prove LT *didn't* do this - seems like there is alot that would/could point in a different direction from LT.
Kate said...
January 13, 2016 at 2:06 PM
Could Taylor & Company plead out and avoid a trial altogether? Seems possible to me.
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I agree, seems possible. If Taylor is proven to have committed the murder on Nov 3, that's an additional ground for death penalty if he's also proven to have murdered AB. "(7) The defendant has been convicted of another murder.
(8) The defendant has committed another murder, at any time, regardless of whether the defendant has been convicted of that other murder."
Then there's the ground of pregnancy. Also, both alleged murders were in course of robbery.
His lawyer could seek to plead down the death penalty to concurrent or consecutive life sentences. The state would be spared a death penalty trial and subsequent complications and costs.
At present he is represented by public defender. I don't see this blowing up into a huge trial.
I also think it's likely Larry Taylor will take a plea deal if offered one.
I don't think the "I don't remember" or "Davey did it" defense will work too well for him.
For one thing, right after Taylor said he couldn't remember anything, he busted himself by suddenly remembering he was in the car but (conveniently) didn't exit the car between Alonzo's apartment and 56th/Guion. So he clearly lied about not remembering. The "fog" defense didn’t work for Jodi Arias, haha, and I don't see it working for Taylor, either.
Furthermore, Taylor's phone was in their house ... while Davey was at the gym ... when the neighbor heard gunshots ... during the time of the ATM withdrawals (with the gunshots being heard after the first withdrawal that failed and before the second withdrawal, which was successful). How will his lawyer explain all that? Say one of the other suspects was in the house with Taylor's phone? But that would be snitching, which would never, ever happen according to many.
Never mind the fact that the guy allegedly murdered, raped, pillaged and plundered his way across Indianapolis during the week prior to Amanda's murder.
Larry Taylor is screwed.
Bad Juju, I don't think it's ever been disputed that LT shot Amanda. During the time DB was at the gym, she was shot. The beforehand actions are important to concentrate on.
This guy may take the plea and I pray he never exits a jail again. He is pure evil and a lifestyle criminal who would continue to rape and rob. He is done for anyway with all the other allegations. In this murder, however he may have no idea the orchestration it took to get him all the way across town to the Sunnyfield cul de sac from 5:30 to almost 7:00 am that morning. By the way, those 3 men were involved in the longest robbery streak of 2 houses in the history of robberies!HA! Also, hanging out and drinking in the house until Davey left. Nothing like hanging out and having a few stiff drinks in the middle of a robbery. I believe and will maintain my belief from reading the affidavit that they were there for something more sinister than one of their random robbery streaks. There was not one thing random about LT and the other two thugs being in those two houses while Davey was at the gym (getting captured on camera no less). It was not random that the loose cannon was left alone with AB and then picked back up. It was not random that Davey sat in the car while she bleed out. The tweet doesn't seem random either but I just don't think the friend was involved. Maybe CD asked him to tweet to encourage others to talk weekly or some kind of manipulation?? LE not being called until paramedics arrived at the house, the crime scene gone before detectives could investigate, Davey not seemingly reporting what was obviously a crime scene. And oh my gosh don't get me started on what was not random about what he said and did before and after the crime.
Sloane, then why would people suggest Taylor's lawyers try to create reasonable doubt (which would lead to a not guilty verdict) by blaming Davey? Why would people want him to be found not guilty if there's no doubt he shot Amanda? It sounds like some people would be fine with that as long as it implicates Davey. Pretty messed up if you ask me.
Bingo, please explain why you think this would be so carefully orchestrated as to end up with all three suspects busted ... caught on cameras all over the place ... meaning it's three times as likely someone will spill the beans to save their own butt? Surely you don't think Alonzo helped planned this then turned around and snitched? Wouldn't he be concerned that one or more of the suspects would say, "F*** this guy, he told on me, I'm gonna tell on him for sending us there"?
I guess what I'm saying is that someone needs to present a realistic theory for how all this went down for me to believe this was all orchestrated by Davey. You can insist none of this was random, but can you come up with a reasonable explanation for how it was carried out? And for what reason? A few hundred dollars and some computers? What would be in it for the higher-ups other than a whole lot of risk of going to jail for sending them there?
Bingo3 @ 1:19PM Jan. 13- Very concise, logical summary (my bolding)!
"Bingo3 said...
JuJu, you are right. We need to stop saying for sure he said "accident". We do know from the report, he did not appear to convey to 911 that there was criminal activity. The police were not called until paramedics arrived. They didn't get to the house until she was being carted out. This kept the police from being able to take quick pictures of the crime scene while it still existed. The authorities did not know she suffered fatal gun shot wounds (she was not expected her injuries) until they arrived at the hospital. All of the above came from affidavit. Also on affidavit, at the hospital, the detective realizing she has been shot, proceeds to question Davey. At this time, Davey clearly remember he left the door unlocked, she was laying face down in a pool of blood, her panties were beside her and her shirt was pushed up. He also seems to clearly remember cigars on the counter and her credit cards and wallet on the floor. I think we can come to the conclusion, he knew that there had been criminal activity in house but he did not communicate that to anyone through 911 call."
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The issue I'm having difficulty with, is that the items detailed at the scene are obviously disconnected, evidencing both an intruder and a struggle-not a "the ladder fell over and hit her in head"-type scenario. The decorative ladder in the living room was next to the fireplace and the lamp on the living room floor was normally in one of the two corners on the front window wall and hemmed in by big furniture (https://twitter.com/AmandaGrace/media Feb. 27, 2103 video 4:21-4:51). Her bank cards (multiple)scattered next to her and her wallet on the living room floor, with a roll of duct tape near her, and her panties next to her. Her purse and somebody's cigars were on the kitchen counter.
So,was it normal for Amanda to walk around the house early morning panty-less when Davey was at the gym? If he was gone, how would he know? Was it normal for the ladder to be on the living room floor? How would one of those corner lamps make it over by the ladder? Did she normally keep duct tape on the living room floor? I'm guessing her cards should have been in her wallet, in her purse on the kitchen counter also. Did she normally smoke Swisher Sweets, that they'd be on the counter with her purse?
I can see Davey, initially in shock, saying she's injured and unconscious to the 911 dispatcher. But it's hard to believe he wouldn't have told 911 about the scene-which would have triggered 911 to dispatch LE and to alert FD Engine #12 to wait for LE to clear the scene prior to entry. It's a stretch to believe she was merely injured and unconscious or had gotten sick/fainted (as some posters suggested). Not to be morbid here, I'd like to know what else in that room had blood traces (the wallet, the cards, the duct tape, the cigar pkg, the lamp, the ladder, a bar stool, the panties).
While it does seem suspicious and unbelievable, determining beyond reasonable doubt that Davey purposely delayed LE, hinges on the 911 call transcript and dispatcher testimony...which has yet to be released.
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RE: "Possible Crime Scene" Determination
Pg. 14 First Complete Paragraph(mid-page)- "Indianapolis Fire Department Engine 12 responded to the scene. At 8:30 AM, IFD requested the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police to respond for a possible assault." IFD's request was made after responding to the scene. Therefore, Dispatch did not direct LE to scene while IFD was en route. Dispatch was unaware there was a need for LE until IFD reported at 8:30 AM.
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Bad Juju @9:59 AM Jan. 13, 2016
You said:
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"Here's an example of what I'm trying to say ... the affidavit says police obtained security video footage from the neighbors, but it doesn't say the police watched it. Do you think it's likely they did? Me too, but the document doesn't say so. Just like the document tells us what the witnesses (neighbors) said but doesn't include what they were asked by police ... but we know good and well the police asked them questions. Do you see what I'm saying? Just because something isn't explicitly spelled out in the affidavit doesn't mean it didn't happen."
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I know what you're saying and I hear your frustration. You are correct- There's a difference between reading the Probable Cause, reading it accurately, and reading into it. Sometimes, we're reading in a hurry or maybe we just made a careless mistake (*raising hand to be counted). Some posters have "embellished" the known facts though. Although it's part and parcel of participating in a forum, it does muddy the waters (especially for new comers, who may not have or know where to find the facts).
;) Before an argument breaks out over whether LE watched the videos...
Although the document doesn't explicitly state "LE watched the neighbors' security videos.", we can ascertain that LE indeed viewed the neighbors' security cam footage because on Pg. 17 the 1st complete paragraph describes Huddleston's eyewitness account and states "[Gary] Huddleston provided home video which captured what he saw.". LE had to have viewed it to know that. On the same page, paragraph 3 states "[Kurt] Baker provided video which documented activity on the street in front of his residence." (past tense).
OT but related to our discussion of Probable Cause documents
The Hannah Graham Case Charlottesville VA (http://www.nbc29.com/story/30934118/updated-judge-denies-jesse-matthew-defense-team-motion):
Suspect Jesse Matthew's lawyer argued in court this week that evidence gained through search warrants should be inadmissible because it does not exactly match statements made in the Probable Cause document for search warrants. The judge in the case ruled that essentially Probable Cause is exactly that, probable. Therefore, the evidence gained is admissible.
Foolsfeedonfolly, BRAVO and respect - seriously - your post at 9:58pm including Bingo3's quote from 1:19pm is perfect. It is exactly what I've been trying lamely to communicate since all of this started. After reading both of your explanations, It is hard to imagine how Davey could walk into such a scene in his house and be surprised and stunned by it but then not describe it and make it known to the 911 operator - unless he had a reason not to do so - and/or wasn't surprised to see it.
Could it be as easy as IMPD knowing that Davey had to have realized this was a major crime scene and his lack of mentioning it pinged their radar? It definitely seems that IMPD detectives should've known something wasn't right with his actions that morning considering the amount of posters on this forum who can see it. I wonder what IFD Engine 12 said to IMPD about what they found when they walked in.
The 911 tape is going to be very interesting when it is released.
I can't make the story below a direct link but just wanted to share it. I posted earlier at how odd the death of Craig Strickland was in comparison to how DB acts and how Craig's wife has acted. Even posters are disgusted with her behavior. He died tragically in a boating accident, he is a country singer, young couple and religious. Her behavior as soon as he was missing has been bizarre. Same non grieving, bible quotes, religious lingo like DB. Posted pics of herself during search. Always smiling, full makeup. Did some photos with the search crew smiling happily. All this before he was found dead. Then once found she was still happy and knew he was in heaven etc. this article creeped me out because she wrote a letter to him and shared it. She described how she'd miss doing life with him. That's a total DB quote. She signed the note "your wife". Just odd. Then at his memorial there was a huge advertisement for camo gear. He died on a duck hunt. She's using his death to advertise business and has made it all about her. I guess there are just some very odd, selfish people out there. Again just wanted to share the read if anyone cared to check it out.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3397553/Relationships-thing-heaven-Craig-Strickland-s-widow-pays-tribute-late-country-singer-emotional-memorial-service.html
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I'm going to be unpopular here. LOL I am not saying Davey deliberately delayed LE or that he delayed LE in an effort to contaminate a crime scene or anything like that. I'm just saying I'm having a hard time squaring "injured and unconscious" by itself. That LE were not dispatched, as he continued to hold with 911 until IFD #12 arrived tells me the Dispatcher was unaware it was anything but "injured and unconscious".
I am curious to know if Davey told Dispatch that she was pregnant, given that they'd just hit the 12 wk benchmark and it was on his mind as he'd let it accidentally slip in his Sunday sermon just prior to this (and realizing he'd outed them, turned it into "I'm smokin' what I'm sellin'"). I would think that would be a critical piece of information, as Amanda (if not Davey) would not want to lose the baby. Granted I'm projecting here, as in my situation babies are valued and considered gifts and blessings, not hindrances. He may not have mentioned the pregnancy, given the volume of blood- assuming the baby was already lost or would be. :/
Just trying to put myself in his place here, I'd think that sometime during that 8 minute (feels like an eternity) wait, I'd glance around and describe the scene to Dispatch. I mean, they're my help, my lifeline at that moment. I know myself-I'd be trying to figure out what happened, how we got here, and how can I help them help me to help us. Maybe that comes from more ER visits than I'd like to remember or maybe from having to call the Squad more times than I'd ever imagined (emergency contact for 3 elderly neighbors w/ serious health issues).
Yes exactly Foolsfeedonfolly - this is it ! This is my problem as well - sorting out why Davey didn't make 911 operator aware of the scene he encountered. I am also reluctant to accuse of deliberately delaying the arrival of IMPD - yet I am struggling to think of a single reason he would not be telling everything he saw. Not indicating anything but a medical issue was absolutely a deterrent for police presence - whether he meant it to be remains to be seen.
Anyone who watches movies and tv (and we know for sure from his sermons that he does) can recognize this obvious of a crime scene when they see it - there's no question.
Yes, I would immediately be telling dispatch everything I could see, desperate for help - this was his WIFE ! - and as it has been said before, why wasn't he afraid that whoever did this would return?
Not to rehash this over again but my post earlier about Davey being cleared is in this article below. AB was shot Tuesday morning and by Thursday afternoon police were saying DB was 100% cleared in the investigation. Their reason: His time at the gym has been accounted for by cctv. Detectives came back to the crime scene Wednesday night but a cleaning crew had already been called in and left the home Wednesday afternoon. She was killed on Tuesday morning and the house was released back to DB that same day. Police also said there had been some recent break ins in the area but they weren't sure if they were related. So there were no suspects at this time, nothing except what ever crime scene investigators collected or police did in that short time and DB was cleared. It IS the wording of the writer but they specifically state cleared in the investigation. Not cleared in the shooting. Just so weird for them to be able to say that after less than 72 hours. The coroner officially announced her death in that Wednesday, a day that DB was at the hospital praying for her and her had his house professionally cleaned. Maybe he's a clean freak and I'm over thinking it but my spouse clinging to life would be the only thing on my mind from Tuesday morning until her death. I don't know what time she passed but it's still odd to me. I also didn't say his alibi was checked and verified before announcing that he was cleared, just that I would think they'd want to fully verify an alibi before clearing someone.
http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/autopsy-could-provide-more-details-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion#.VpctM3JyB7E.mailto
Flightfulbird @11:59, I'd like to reply to your comment. I know I'm speculating and it's not always right to assume but DB called 911. We don't know what was said, we can only guess. If he called to report an "accident" aren't 911 operators trained to ask questions in order to get the best idea of what is going on? From calls I've heard they ask the caller many questions like is she breathing? They even try to have the caller do things like possibly roll her over or feel for a pulse. So in my gut I have to put myself in that situation. If I walk in and see a half naked, unconscious spouse on the floor the first thing I would do would be to run to them. I'd instinctly want to make sure they are ok. I'd most likely turn her over, try to help her. If he felt she just had a fall wouldn't he roll her over and try to wake her? If so, wouldn't he see blood, wounds? I know gun shots aren't always noticeable but she was shot at least three times. Was he freaking out on the phone call or was he calm? What was his demeanor at the hospital? I just want to know these things. Knowing what we know about the condition she was in when he came home that morning I don't believe for one second that he couldn't tell that this was more than an accident. Even though I wasn't there and we don't have all the details, we have enough to tell us he's full of it. So ironic that he was at the gym and in his driveway while all this took place.
Oops 12:39 comment is from Pak31
@foolsfeedonfolly, for some reason I completely missed your post when I posted after you. You are in the same mindset that I am. It's hard to believe more info wasn't made available to that operator. I mean they ask tons of questions. Not that he lied or didn't answer them but you'd think it would start to appear as if something more than her just being hurt was going on. I mean, the fact her undies were off should have been enough of a clue.
Pak31, I think we are on the same wavelength here for sure ! Yes it still seems impossible that they could've cleared him so quickly. And, another poster (Concerned, I think?) wrote earlier about the DJ Creato case from October 2015 - this father who killed his 3-year-old son was also stated from the beginning to be cleared/not a suspect.
So, I really hope and am thinking that the announcement that Davey was cleared was to get him to roam freely and let his guard down. It was really obvious in that one newscast that police had requested the reporter to emphasize that he was 100%, no actually 150% cleared. And Davey did let his guard down and went on interviews, avoided direct questions, tweeted and posted and spoke and created a picture that is impossible to ignore.
About the 911 call as well - I also don't believe for one second that he didn't know this was more than an accident. It has been speculated that he waited on the driveway for a reason. It was very convenient that this happened during the exact window of time when he was at the gym. It is interesting that those in custody hung around the house down the block and drank and ate oranges (if I understood correctly) with no fear of the homeowner returning and catching them - and then went to the Blackburn house at that specific time and walked in through an unlocked front door.
And, it is absolutely true that 911 personnel would have dispatched every available resource they thought might be needed that morning - IF they were given a clear picture of the situation.
They were not given a clear picture - and I would really like to know why he didn't tell them everything he saw. And it's an endless circle and some will say "but we don't know what he said" - which is true - but all of us seem to agree that if he had described the scene that morning accurately, IMPD would've been rolled along with IFD Engine 12.
It is very nice to know tonight that you and others among us think that something isn't right with this situation.
Flightful, 99 percent of the people who comment on these threads are convinced Davey killed her or had her killed. No need to worry, you're firmly in the majority, haha.
Anybody think this is odd?
From the affidavit:
"At 8:30 A.M. IFD requested the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department to respond for a possible assault. At 8:44 A.M., Officers Richard Crosby and Larry Crowe arrived as Medics were carting Amanda Blackburn from the home. Amanda Blackburn had sustained severe head trauma."
"At 9:01 A.M., Detective Pete Perkins responded to Methodist hospital to investigate the nature of Amanda Blackburn's injuries. He learned Amanda Blackburn was actually shot in the head and was not expected to survive her injuries. She was also shot in the left lower arm and had a possible gunshot wound to her upper left back."
Why didn't the EMTs communicate to the first officers at the scene that she'd been shot? Were they not sure what her injuries were? (Many have said the gunshots should have been obvious.) Or did they tell the officers something more than "severe head trauma," but the officers just didn't pass along that info?
Seems there might have been some communication issues that can't be completely blamed on Davey.
And I wonder if 14 minutes is a typical response time for IMPD. Seems a little slow for such a dire situation. (I'm not dogging IMPD, it just seems like a long time to me.)
BadJuJu; I mean no disrespect to you, I don't. I enjoy your posts and you make some excellent points, which I do not wish to insult; however, you need to gather up your common sense. I know you have them, I've read too many of your heartfelt sincere posts seeking to make heads and tails of the crime which appears to point away from Davey in your mind; that is, according to interviews, LE info and affidavits, including docus presented by prosecution that you have read. JuJu, there IS no pointing away from that which is clear as a bell no matter who doesn't or does say what or when.
Amanda's brutal murder was a set up, I can't help how many points you can find in excusing Davey's behavior, or in looking for reasons why this doesn't work and that doesn't add up and so on and on; there aren't any excuses that lead to anything else here other than Davey being involved in Amanda's murder. THIS is blatantly obvious, from beginning to end. There IS no other way to look at it. Take it or leave it. And THAT'S the common sense of the matter.
I don't care how many 'lovely' posts he has posted that show Amanda's 'love' for her hot husband; you ignore that Davey could have made every one of those posts in her name all along and likely DID, as we all already know that he HATED Amanda, hated her being pregnant and blamed Weston's birth for his bad marriage; he insulted her publically, sexually humiliated and embarrassed her and was a total control freak; INCLUDING his destruction of the Word of God, not even fearing God's eventual wrath for setting himself higher up, even above Jesus Christ. The man has PROVED repeatedly, in every way, that he has no conscience; he makes his own rules and be damned with anyone else, including God; even in defiance of God.
He has gotten away with Amanda's calculated and gruesome murder, from day one, and will continue too. He has friends in high places, at least one very successful, wealthy and affluent one, that filters on down and has covered him which also includes influencing someone in Indy LE as well as Nancy Grace, AND someone in local media; and who ALSO needs to cover his OWN butt in whatever the two of them are hiding, AS WELL as being Davey's financier participating in his false-god cult-like ministry with many blind tithing sheeple following them to their own destruction. Knowing Bible history and quoting scripture to them would do no good. They claim their OWN scriptures, twisting them as they see fit to their own benefit. Since He didn't strike them dead yet, and IFF He exists at all; fools think God is asleep at the wheel. He isn't.
Yes sir're Bob, these sets ups AND cover ups DO exist, whether we like to think so or not. I've seen them before. If that's not good enough for you, look back through history and the MANY innocent who have paid for crimes they did not commit and who were set up, with LE and prosecution KNOWING they were innocent; and to all those who have gotten away with their horrendous crimes over the ages that were protected from prosecution. They are many and numerous. Davey Blackburn is one of them. I'm sorry, but IMO this IS the common sense of the matter.
To JuJu and anyone else I've offended; please forgive me for stepping on your toes, but this is MY common sense take; for which I'd appreciate the same respect that I'm offering to you. Sincerely, ABB
I will be extremely interested to see what Perry Noble will say this Sunday as he travels to Resonate church. I am shocked that he is still involved with Davey. He sent Crazy Davey (his words) to Indy what 3-4 years ago with 100,000 and a few years salary? The church fizzled and CD is on his own now financially. (trigger to a possible need to find some way to bring new life to the church?) Someone earlier posted that Resonate is like the Great Oz. It is a social media illusion completely dictated and promoted by CD alone. I agree with this assessment. 120 total is the size of a Sunday school class at New Springs. I would have completely separated myself from him if I were PN. I think there are people on twitter that tie him constantly to CD so maybe he feels the need to protect himself. I just don't know but I can't wait to find out. Does he still believe Davey? Realllly? What are your guys thoughts on this??
Anon 4:54, yes the cover ups do happen all the time. It is nothing new, right? There was a 48 hours on yesterday where the husband took his 3 kids to church while he was having his wife shot in their house. It like they seem to all be, was set up to look like a robbery gone wrong. A pastor's wife was brutally murdered in my hometown a year ago and what do you know? It was set up to look like a robbery gone wrong?? Yup, happens all the time.
Bad Juju,
I don't think that section of the PC is odd. It is probable that the Emts can't diagnose. They probably knew she was shot, but they transport to hospital and let doctors diagnose. She did have severe head trauma, and the cause was a gunshot wound.
There is no reason to believe that a small church of only 120 tithe paying customers couldn't make it AND keep up their gym membership, and etc etc etc.
To be conservative; let's say if only 100 of them were paying 10% tithes of their salaries and they were all only earning $100 per week in salary, that's a minimum of $1,000 per week flowing in to a ministry that wasn't doing squat other than sitting around Starbucks and drinking coffee all day and wandering in and out of his home aggravating the hell out of his wife, (while funerals and weddings would have cost extra); and while he controlled her every move (even forcing her to have sex before she could sit down and eat a meal she had prepared no matter how tired or hungry she might have been, or if the baby was crying); including words hypothetically posted by her on social media that HE scrutinized and corrected.
But of course, no one these days only earns $100 per week, it would be several times that amount over and over. But let's say only $1,000 a week found money is in excess of $50,000 a year for him to play around with while paying only a small fraction to the school for rent, which included use of their equipment, while Amanda had learned a way to earn her own income through her hard earned efforts of furniture refinishing old junk and reselling.
If the small church I was raised in ever saw $10 a week from 100 to 120 paying customers they would have felt rich, and would have been. If their attendance ever reached even 100 warm bodies consistently it would have been during revival time and even then they would have had to find a way to set up and house the visiting preacher and his family who came to hold the revival. For this they had to take up a special collection from the congregation to help defray these extra costs.
Our pastor knew he could not depend of his poor little flock to keep up with their tithes week after week so he had an outside full-time paying job and helped to support the little church and his family on his own. But THIS was a God fearing man, who between him and his wife he kept the church doors open on Sunday mornings, Sunday nights, Wednesday and Friday nights and was there without fail preaching from the Word of God every time the doors opened. This was no big money scheme set about to pervert the living Word of God for the sake of increasing their take. THIS was about getting souls saved.
Davey was resentful and jealous of his buddy who had started his own plant church at about the same time he did, inasmuch as his friends' church had already reached a membership of 400 which enabled him to hold two services on Sunday, thereby increasing his own income four times what Davey's was.
Davey's many spiteful jealousies of more lucrative ministries than his own, and his multi-faceted hatred for his wife and his perverted sexual appetite, no matter how hard she tried, ate him alive. He would never be satisfied with such a paltry existence, and now she whom he despised in every way was expecting ANOTHER baby, keeping him in his version of poverty? How could she do this to him? Blame, blame blame. It was all HER fault and she would damned well pay for it. In the end it is not hard to follow bitterness, jealousy and the money trail. ABB
Bingo3 said...
I will be extremely interested to see what Perry Noble will say this Sunday as he travels to Resonate church. I am shocked that he is still involved with Davey January 14, 2016 at 8:14 AM
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Hi Bingo. Just wanted to touch on this one comment of yours about Perry. It doesn't shock me that Perry will be around this weekend, I thought it was kind of overdue. Perry will stick around as long as Davey is in the clear. They are going to CASH in on this story as much as they can, Perry's not going to miss out on this opportunity that may potentially hold book deals, movie deals, speaking engagements and a major testimony that will go on and on for years to come. This article was published yesterday and now that things are settling down, they will be moving into the next phase, pro-victim, Davey. http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/54427-how-the-faith-of-two-unknowns-inspired-the-country
I know it's been a big rumor from day one that Perry and Davey are romancing each other, but that Perry sure seems to be head over heels in love with Davey.
Has everyone seen Davey's tatoo vid? Where he and Amanda get tat's together? That's the clip that sealed the deal for me as to Davey's preference for men. Not that I give a rip, but it does seem to conflict with the life he was so desperately trying to portray to his "church".
Bingo, the thing is that most of these murders of wives by so-called Christian and/or minister husbands (and in some cases their own children); including the rapes of their children and frequently others as well; do not have the cloak of protection over them that Davey Blackburn has. IMOO, there is no one more evil on the face of this earth than someone who hides behind Christianity to do their dirty work or covers themselves behind being a minister/pastor to do evil.
From a higher influence, Davey Blackburn has been well protected by those who could have uncovered his participation in the murder of his wife. He was not left to roam free and unguarded to out himself making it easier for LE to nab him. He was DELIBERATELY left to roam free, PERIOD; while destroying all the evidence that could have been investigated and that would have led to his arrest and conviction. It's done, it's over.
Regardless of all the lengthy, EXCELLENT and time consuming authentic research and posting of their findings that numerous ones of the posters here have uncovered it has served to be so much wasted time and effort. Evidence cannot be sought out and used against him that has been destroyed and/or pilfered. IMO, he will never be charged/convicted. It's a done deal and the sooner we accept it that he has gotten away with it; the better for our own frustrations to mend. There isn't one earthly thing we can do about any of it. God will have to take care of Davey Blackburn. ABB
Kate - might you have a link for that tattoo video?
Flightfulbird, I do have a link for the tat vid, but want to include this vid as it shows Davey putting damage on his vehicle, denting it - if you will :) Thought this vid was pretty ironic given the famous grill story. https://vimeo.com/1859357
And that tat vid is on his daveyblackburn.com website, have to scroll down a bit, but some of the other posts may interest you as well. For those who do not want to watch the vids or can't stomach his vids, the tat on his wrist means "God is here" in Hebrew.
ABB, totally agree with you. I've gotten over this case and realize that Davey & company will milk it for everything they can. The good news? We left our little mark in history. Future generations who may search this story will realize not everyone who read and saw this story at the time was a blithering idiot, hopefully anyway.
Thanks very much Kate !
Watched the car damage gas station video and then the tattoo video - Ink Week 4 - link to page here - http://daveyblackburn.com/page/9/ - and started thinking this while listening to Davey thunder on and on so relentlessly and passionately about his relationship with Jesus Christ -
Davey said "so when I put this tattoo on my arm, it means God. Is. Here. With me. All the time..."
So, in his mind he feels that God is watching him and is with him all the time and wanted a constant reminder of that throughout his whole life, kept talking about how this tattoo was permanent and would never go away and how carefully he had to choose what he put on his body.
This video was posted October 23, 2008, when he and Amanda got their tattoos at the same time.
I do not think Davey was thinking of how to act favorably in the eyes of God when he was treating Amanda the way he did throughout their marriage, talking down to/about her in his sermons and videos, unforgiving and smearing her to his flock when speaking about the grill and the toilet paper "backwards". . . that's such the opposite of what one would think a Christian husband to be.
God and church and beliefs are supposed to make a positive difference in behavior. Comparing his talk then with his life now (whether or not he was in on the murder) - it's all talk, doesn't seem to be actually living the life.
They seemed happy on that trip to get tattoos - she was cute on the video -not seeking a response to this, just marveling at what happened in seven years to turn things in such a different direction. . .
Here's the tattoo video.
https://vimeo.com/2030788
Of note - the Hebrew words he has on his wrist do not mean what he says they mean. He tells the tattoo artist at around 9.30 in the video "Obviously it's Hebrew... 'Jehovah schma." He says this means "God is here."
Actually, שָׁמַע (shama) is the verb "hear," not the adverb "here."
The adverb "here" is הֵ֔נָּה (hennah).
DB invents and muddles things up as he goes along. He tells the tattoo artist that the prophets alone uttered (what is actually called) the Shema. He seems unaware that it is a Jewish prayer said twice daily and before death and that Jews never say "Jehovah."
He also says "Back then they didn't HAVE God's word, they didn't have something that they could always reference.... Now we have God's WORD that we can read all the time."
So how did create this phrase for his tattoo? Deut 6.4 reads:
שמע ישראל יהוה אלהינו יהוה ׀ אחד
Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
Davey takes 2 words from this sentence: שמע (shema - hear) and יהוה (Yhvh:the proper name of God, read by Christians as Yahweh or Jehovah) and puts and SAYS them in reverse order.
He then transliterates shema to mean "here" and comes up with his own phrase, "Jehovah is here."
He then has the gall to say, around 12:20, "Let me summarize the entire Bible for you."
Amanda does not look happy at the end of this video. He's so high on himself.
ABB, who do you think is protecting Davey? I really can't imagine that PN would protect him. DB is small potatoes in the New Springs empire. However, I WAS shocked to hear he was coming to Resonate. That to me is very telling. I can't wait for us all to discuss that on Monday! HA! I am very curious to here your specifics on your post.. I enjoy your insights. I still think that Davey is being investigated but I'll NEVER understand why they didn't bring him in for the initial protocol taped interrogation. I thought the spouse was ALWAYS questioned at the police station.
What really bothers me about this case is that Davey has never come out and said "I didn't do it! I loved Amanda so much and I would never, ever do anything to harm her." He only said "We have nothing to hide." That is guilty language! Davey and his small crew are calling the brave ones on twitter(who keep the doubt alive and I hope continue to do so publicly)trolls and people of Satan. If he really wanted to shut people up, he would come out and say "I would never, ever , ever in a million years harm my wife who I loved with every ounce of my being. I am struggling daily to forgive these men who would do this to my wife. It breaks my soul to think about what my beautiful wife went through in her final minutes, etc etc." He has never done this and I will be surprised if he ever does. It is all ok to him because maybe. just maybe these men who brutally killed my wife will be saved! You know because Nothing is Wasted!!
I think things will come out. No one is this evil and then just stops being evil. My hope is the family will catch on to it and start their own investigation. I disagree ABB, I don't think it is over. The truth will come spilling out all over the place.
Actually, Bingo, "I would never, ever, ever in a million years harm my wife" would be flagged in statement analysis. "I would never" is not a reliable denial, and "never, ever in a million years" would be flagged for sensitivity.
Here's what Peter says about "I didn't do it": http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/04/i-didnt-do-it-scott-peterson-and-billie.html
Bingo3 said -
What really bothers me about this case is that Davey has never come out and said "I didn't do it! I loved Amanda so much and I would never, ever do anything to harm her." . . . . "I would never, ever , ever in a million years harm my wife who I loved with every ounce of my being. I am struggling daily to forgive these men who would do this to my wife. It breaks my soul to think about what my beautiful wife went through in her final minutes, etc etc."
Exactly ! - this ^^^
If Davey were to say something even remotely close to what you posted at 4:32pm, there would be much less speculation and accusation of his involvement. He cannot say it ! When the Fox interviewer Steve said so gently "tell us about Amanda", he talked about how she loved Jesus and about her furniture refinishing business - nothing about her relationship to him and Weston - nothing about how he missed her or whatever.
And - not showing any angst or wishing he had done things differently that morning - like "if I hadn't gone to the gym or hadn't stayed in the car talking on the phone or had locked the front door (or any of the above), Amanda might still be here - I could've made a difference, could've stopped it if I was home". We know he had a gun and went to the shooting range. He spoke in one of his sermons about (paraphrasing) his gun and what would happen if someone broke into his home, indicating he would stop them dead in their tracks.
I wrote on one of the live chats here about the morning I was hit by a car when I was riding my mountain bike to work. Just some road rash and a grade 3 separated shoulder but major pain at first and I had to keep it immobilized for weeks, couldn't work, couldn't run or ride.
I can't count how many times I thought and said out loud that I wished I hadn't ridden that morning, or what if I left five minutes earlier. My mind was messed up about it and second-guessing myself almost nonstop the first week or so, and it was front and center in my thoughts the whole time it was healing - that I could've prevented it. And this was only about a SHOULDER ! - an injury that would heal - not an assault and life taken in such a brutal way.
Oh, I hope you're right - that things will come out. I can't imagine Amanda's family not seeing any of this disingenuity in Davey's words and actions, both before and since this happened. The videos especially paint a picture of a guy who would've been happier without his wife. All of her family have a much greater stake in this and love for her than any of us do - one would think. It seems they would've requested a deeper investigation especially if they are reading any of these posts, yet we would not know right now if they had and it was happening.
I remember one case - cannot remember the names - where the wife was thrown off of a cliff while hiking but the husband said she slipped off of it. The police reopened the investigation because anonymous letters came in asking them to revisit the case. It saddens me that this might be over, locked up, considered solved - when it's so obvious to all of us that nobody is this lucky (trademark Peter). Too many coincidences - could IMPD and FBI really just look the other way?
Who is higher up that can bury something like this when so many people have so many questions?
Diano Gordon now officially charged with murder as well
http://fox59.com/2016/01/14/third-suspect-charged-with-murder-in-death-of-amanda-blackburn/
No, flighfulbird, if Davey said anything "remotely close" to what Bingo said, it would be flagged in statement analysis. See my comment above yours.
Thanks for the update, Anon at 5:23.
I just read the link from Bad Juju's post at 5:03pm (thanks for posting that link - really interesting analysis by Peter)
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/04/i-didnt-do-it-scott-peterson-and-billie.html
A couple of things that stuck out in my mind, copied/pasted -
If the entire nation was thinking that I killed my wife, but I didn't, I would say, "I didn't kill my wife" early, and without using additional words.
Note that instead of saying "no" and ending his answer, he goes beyond the boundary of the question. Every word beyond the boundary of a question is important.
Scott Peterson was unable to bring himself to say he didn't do it in the Free Editing Process and is in prison.
Looking back at the interviews Davey did in the week following Amanda's murder and notice how many times he actually answered the actual questions the interviewers were asking - and if he did answer them at all, notice how many times he continued on talking (for paragraphs and paragraphs sometimes).
True Bad Juju, that over the top "really REALLY" and "never never ever" would definitely be flagged. That would almost indicate more guilt not less. I never knew about Statement Analysis (the procedure or the website) until I Googled this case and the post about life insurance on Amanda came up. I've been glued to the site ever since, for sure - it's fascinating.
So if Davey had just said "I did not kill Amanda", with no excessive superlatives or qualifiers - I wonder why wouldn't he say it? He had multiple opportunities in so many interviews with the interviewers being friendly and throwing some softballs to him.
Another copy/paste from the same post -
Scott Peterson: "No. No. I did not. And I had absolutely nothing to do with her disappearance. And you use the word murder and right now every one is looking for a body. And that is the hardest thing because that is not a possible resolution for us. To use the word murder and - yes, and that is a possibility. It's not one we're ready to accept and it creeps in my mind late at night and early in the morning and during the day all we can think about is the right resolution to find her."
Remarkably similar that Davey used "we" and "us" in his interviews in the same way as Scott Peterson did in this statement. Peter noted from the start that Davey was saying "we" and "us" when he should've been saying "i". The pattern was consistent throughout the interview process.
If I recall correctly, and I could be wrong because it's been a while since I watched the interviews, but wasn't there really only one time he was asked a question that gave him the opportunity to issue a reliable denial? Maybe Doocy on Fox News? Maybe that's when he said, "We have nothing to hide." I'm not sure.
I don't think any of the other interviewers questioned his involvement, so a denial wasn't necessarily expected.
Anonymous Kate said...
at 1.05 PM
the tat on his wrist means "God is here" in Hebrew.
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That's what Davey says. Any way you read it, he's wrong.
See my post earlier today at 3:27 PM.
What's wrong with this photo?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4891170005634&set=pb.1489260165.-2207520000.1452819827.&type=3&theater
There's a chill in the air - Amanda is hugging herself. DB keeps his jacket on.
Photo from DB's sister-in-law's facebook.
You gotta be kidding. She has her arms crossed. If she were "hugging herself," her hands would be on the outsides of her arms. It's May and the sun is shining ... it was probably close to 70 degrees in Gatlinburg. Maybe the only thing wrong with the photo is that Davey IS wearing a jacket.
Haven't y'all found enough things wrong with the guy? Is it really necessary to try this hard?
Does anyone think they charged Diano with murder to put pressure on him to get him to talk? He supposedly didn't even go into the house and got out of the car before Watson went back to get Taylor. I can't see how they could make that charge stick, so what's the purpose?
Anonymous rosy said...
That's what Davey says. Any way you read it, he's wrong.
See my post earlier today at 3:27 PM.
January 14, 2016 at 6:46 PM
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I read your post, thanks for the breakdown Rosy. It was also interesting to see Amanda take the lead and go first.
Maggie, because of the felony murder law -- he was participating in the felony that led to Amanda's death (burglary) -- they can charge Diano with murder even though he didn't pull the trigger (same for Jalen). In my state, felony murder charges stick really well in cases like this ... if he was found guilty of the burglary, he would basically be automatically (for lack of a better word) guilty of the felony murder. Not sure about Indiana.
It's certainly possible they're just putting pressure on him. I hope he sings like a bird.
Bad Juju,
Yes, it is. There are other photos of the group and many are wearing jackets. DB's statements are alarming and unexpected, and I fear for any future wives. Please read Peter's analysis at the beginning of these comments. Distancing. Deception. Violent language. Porn addiction. A Gun! In Church! I can only hope that the 911 call hasn't been released because they are still "looking" at DB. I will be looking and listening until the 911 call is released or DB is taken in.
Maggie,
That would be nice, but I fear these goons are willing to do the time rather than talk. I don't know if they can imagine lives outside of crime and incarceration.
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What else still bothers me?
THE DOG.
The botched crime scene.
The Grandfather who calls himself Doctor and Reverend when it's convenient.
The brothers who talk about being spanked and "laid into".
I fear for Weston.
Kate said...
It was also interesting to see Amanda take the lead and go first.
January 14, 2016 at 9:42 PM
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Yes. Then Davey totally out did her, crushed her, by not even mentioning pain (as far as the video showed) and by making himself the center of attention with his self-invented "meaning" for his tat.
Kate or anyone, do you know what Amanda had tatted and why?
Yeah I read it, Bobcat. Several times.
I also read his comment in this thread:
"Peter Hyatt said...
I have heard and posted the arguments of those in law enforcement.
I remain convinced only of guilt and hiding related to sexuality by the language.
I am open to the theory, but linguistically, I have only connected him to sexuality.
Peter
December 30, 2015 at 10:16 AM"
Why on earth does it matter whether grandpa goes by "Dr." or "Rev."? Maybe he's both? Most of my pastors have been.
Bad Juju,
I remain unconvinced that Grandpa has earned those credentials. History/deception repeats in families All The Time in my ancestry studies.
Thank you for posting Peter's brief summary.
Peter also says "The liar is a murderer in training."
Rosy - I can't make out what the tat is, I've tried to pause it several times on both the paper and the wrist, but can't see it well enough. I did notice a comment was left requesting an updated picture of his haircut, from what appeared to be a teenager, not sure though.
Bad Juju said...
January 14, 2016 at 9:02 PM
You gotta be kidding. She has her arms crossed. If she were "hugging herself," her hands would be on the outsides of her arms. It's May and the sun is shining ... it was probably close to 70 degrees in Gatlinburg. Maybe the only thing wrong with the photo is that Davey IS wearing a jacket.
Anonymous Bobcat said...
at 9:51 PM
Bad Juju,
Yes, it is. There are other photos of the group and many are wearing jackets
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Well it's subtle and we're flirting with voyeurism, but it's real. High temp that day was 67 F, starting out at 40 overnight low, palpably below normal for the region. Next day it went back up 78 high and was in the mid 80s for the rest of the week. See visitmysmokies.com weather week of May 13, 2013 on the Tube.
Davey's brother was hugging himself too:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4891170325642&set=pb.1489260165.-2207520000.1452819827.&type=3&theater
On the other hand, if this is DB in green shirt on the right, he did his share of carrying someone else's child, and was not wearing his jacket - maybe gave it to Amanda? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4891170165638&set=pb.1489260165.-2207520000.1452819827.&type=3&theater
I find it nearly laughable that Davey Blackburn so prides himself on his "knowledge" of the Bible, being a pastor, leading his Resonators, saving Indy...and yet he seems to know little of the actual Bible. Leviticus 19:28 "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourself. I am the Lord.". It's one thing if you came to Christ with the tattoo already, but that isn't the situation. How many people here would walk up to a Church and spry paint graffiti on it? A Christian's body is the Church-the building is where is simply where they gather to worship as a group and learn more about God, His will, and how to live life God's way. If you wouldn't graffiti a Church building, why are you graffitiing your body? Having listened to a number of Davey's sermons, he's preaching a mish-mash of pychobabble, self-help, marketing slogans, a healthy heaping of eros-love, with a little watered down Bible sprinkled in for good measure. Do whatever you feel like 'cause God loves you and is for you-kind of thing. No personal integrity, no personal or corporate accountability; just a very selfish and immature kind of "love"...and he's encouraging others. Sheesh! It's kind of scary that guys like him attract a cult following. His poor congregation has no idea that he's feeding them pop-rocks, instead of meat.
*Please excuse the typos-my computer keyboard is apparently on it's last leg. :/
FoolsFeedOnFolly;
Even though this has been a thread concerning the guilt of Davey Blackburn in Amanda' murder, (which I am thoroughly convinced that he WAS involved), as have several other articles prior to this one clearly pointed to his guilt; I want you to know how much I have valued your biblically-based truth-filled posts and how appreciative I am in your efforts to spread truth in the Word of God in every way.
There have been a few others too who have been acutely aware of this necessity, God-fearing truth seekers not just relying on their own misguided judgments in some cases, such as Lynda who shine a bright light in the cause of Christ, where, frequently we stand alone. Even though no progress has been made in rooting out Davey Blackburn's guilt, which may never be exposed in his lifetime; I pray that The Word has had an impact on somebody, somewhere, who may not otherwise know that there IS truth and not just distortion of God's Holy Word.
We are living in a terrible time where satan is strong and fiercely running rampart destroying souls and lives all around us, for which we have little armor, in some cases even turning our own beloved family members against us; while even the good fall prey to his cleverly concealed schemes and devices, believing treacherous cleverly concealed lies. God help us to stand strong against the false prophets and killers of the soul, is all I can say; and thank you, Lynda, and others for standing firm in these very difficult times. You have done a much better job in exposing truth and sharing the Word than I ever could have. Thank you. ABB
In regard to the denial, JuJu, I overstated what I meant in regard to denial. I follow the case on twitter also. There are many brave folks that openly blame Davy Blackburn and hashtag and daily question him. Davey tweets almost daily. Instead of making a statement and face the allegations head on, he just blocks people. I find that odd. I think maybe Perry Noble is coming to Resonate to bring a stop to the blame and will he get Davey to change his language a bit? Just very curious to how Sunday will go down.
I didn't really know a lot about PN and New Springs but read his last blog post and he does seem obsessed with money. I just can't even open that can of worms right now tho! HA!
I also (like many of you) find it interesting that they have all been charged now with murder. I think they are trying to get somebody to talk. I believe with all my heart that they still have Davey on the radar due to all the coincidences and bizarre behavior. Not to mention dog, 911 call and language at the hospital. The pastor who murdered his wife in my hometown(staged as a robbery) wasn't arrested for almost a year. In the end, they followed him and finally caught him on his way to the airport trying to leave the country with his male companion.
Sorry for double first sentence, not enough coffee yet! ha!
Last thing, I don't ever see Davey trying to leave the country! He wants to stay right here and become the biggest megachurch preacher and best selling author who changes the whole course of Christianity! We will see....
Bingo, if you don't mind sharing; what was the name of the guy you are referring too who murdered his wife and was followed for a year before LE finally caught up with him?
Still looking for any little shred of hope that Davey might be prosecuted eventually (although I have serious doubts that he ever will be, considering that he has a very big money 'so-called man of god' with powerful influence behind him who is wielding his big stick); I'd like to google the one you make reference too. Any little shred of hope beats none.
Amanda did not deserve to die in this gruesome way, perpetrated by her own husband; now for which full justice will never be served in her behalf. The only good thing here is that she has gone on to glory to be with her savior where she is at eternal peace in his loving arms. But this still leaves her precious baby Weston in harms' way and at the mercy of his mothers' calculated killer, his own father; who WILL kill again considering that he has gotten away with it this time, and considering that he has no conscience, even in defiance of God as if there were no god.
God rest her soul. She is a saint now, crying out to God for mercy for those of us left on the earth. Read the scriptures concerning the saints who have departed, you will find it all right there. ABB
Bingo, ref your post at 9:18; many have tried and failed at changing the course of Christianity and God's Holy Word since the beginning of God's creation of man and woman living on earth. They always utterly fail.
Davey Blackburn will be no exception. His days are numbered, as are preacher Nobels'. They will fall and fall HARD. They always do. Even modern day preachers who putrify God's Word and his warnings, while deceiving others and live their lives in secret adultery, debasement and sexual deviancy while scamming the masses, fall quickly. ALWAYS. ABB
This is the case about the pastor. I never had a question he did it, but he wasn't treated as a suspect. He wasn't 100% cleared within 24 hours but who been before this case!? In the initial stages it was described as merely a robbery gone wrong. Investigators studied emails and followed him for a long time. He actually raised money for a mission trip (crazy!) and was headed out of the country when police caught him. They patiently built a case against him and had solid evidence he was headed to Germany to marry his male companion.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/alabama-pastor-emails-pray-wait-wife-death-article-1.2214805
If you think you are getting away with it and you have justified the murder, you start getting bolder. This is what happened to the above pastor. I think it will also happen to Davey. No way Amanda's family will continue to believe him. If your a sociopath, you can't reel yourself in no matter how much you hide behind religion.
Oh and ABB, I know Davey will not change church history. I was being tongue in cheek. I know Amanda wasn't killed to bring life to the church. As we both know, there was a man named Jesus Christ that died for us over 2000 years ago. He alone is Sustainer of Life to the church through all time and eternity. I literally got sick to my stomach when I watched the dry bone speech by Davey. The white coats needed to take that crazy sociopath out of that church 10 seconds into that lunacy. That best selling book Davey is thinking about will not be written by him, it will be written about him!
Bingo3 wrote
"If you think you are getting away with it and you have justified the murder, you start getting bolder. This is what happened to the above pastor. I think it will also happen to Davey. No way Amanda's family will continue to believe him. If your a sociopath, you can't reel yourself in no matter how much you hide behind religion."
Amanda's family HAS to suspect something after seeing how Davey acted in the interviews, especially if they had seen any video of his sermons when he was speaking about her. If they are reading this website and seeing Peter's analyses and all of the red flags posters have raised, it's hard to believe they wouldn't be requesting deeper investigation from LE.
Here's hoping someone will start to sing or at least let something slip by accident. It would be wonderful to know this morning that the investigation isn't over and that they are still looking at Davey.
A facebook post by A.Barrett on January 6th:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10206043269227811&set=a.3065014471376.2125562.1443930430&type=3&theater
"This picture captures a memory that I've held close to my heart these last couple of months. It perfectly captures the Amanda that I knew and so admired. It was taken November 6, just a few days before we lost our dear Amanda.
Our leadership team was spending the weekend in Cincinnati, dreaming together, talking vision and hopes for Resonate, discussing plans on how we could reach our city. We also ate looooots of food and ventured around the city just enjoying each others' company.
On Friday night, when this picture was taken, we all huddled in what used to be the gym of the hotel we stayed at. We sang songs, worshipped together, and some of us shared and prayed about what Jesus was speaking to each of us personally. I remember Amanda's prayer so vividly. That she wanted her own agenda to match God's agenda for her life. That she was sorry for ever making this life about herself, and that she was willing to do whatever Jesus wanted her to do so that lives could be eternally impacted.
If you know Amanda well, you know that she was selfless, always putting others before her own interests. I was always blown away by her willingness to dig deeper, to love greater, and to follow Jesus harder. She never settled, always striving to be the version of herself that Jesus intended for her life. Always seeking to follow God's exact plan for her life.
Looking back, it seems as though Jesus was preparing her heart. I'm not saying that she knew what would transpire in the next few days, but that Jesus was pulling her closer to Himself, and that she had reached a level of unity and intimacy with Jesus like some of us so long and strive for.
I'm so thankful for that moment that we all shared as a team. And I believe that Jesus was preparing each of us as well for the impossible road ahead. Jesus prepared the way, and is now walking it with us. Some days the steps seem easier, and some days I know He is carrying me through.
I'm thankful that this world is not our home, and I cannot wait until we can all huddle together and worship Him again."
DB comments:
"Amanda's prayer that night was, "Jesus, I want my agenda to be your agenda." . . . It launched each of us into prayers of surrendering our plans to God's plans. I'll never forget this night. Thank you, Ashley, for sharing it!"
Bobcat, I noticed that post. It was the first time EVER that Davey actually shared a tribute (he has never shared any of Amber's amazing tributes about Amanda)so I looked closer. Guess who is in the middle of the picture that came with the post?? Yup. Crazy Davey. He only shared that because he was in the middle on the floor and everyone is in a circle around him. Narcissism at it's finest.
FlightfulBird; while I appreciate your thoughtful posts and your upbeat attitude of hope that Davey will eventually out himself, or that families will see his deceit and proceed accordingly; I wish I could share in this spirit of hope but sadly I just can't see it this way, this belief being based on present and past articles, sermons, videos, research and posts up this point that has all been ignored by them.
There is absolutely nothing that indicates that anyone, including LE, investigators or family are remotely investigating, suspect, or are even questioning Davey Blackburns participation in Amanda's brutal murder.
It would appear that they are all living in la la land and intend to keep it that way. Ask no questions, tell no lies. God will exact his revenge if there is any to be had. I have said it before; 'hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil' which covers a multitude of sins. They like living life this way, always trusting, always gullible, subservient to those who deceive them. ABB
ABB, I have to disagree with you. There is no way that LE is not still investigating. I think they know but just have to build their case. There was a dog and a 911 call besides all the other coincidences of that morning. This "conundrum" that Davey calls it is not over. I think charging them all 3 with murder is a way to get them to talk. If we, just being ordinary people smell something fishy, you don't think they do? If they don't, sign me up for Indy Police School because this is 101 stuff!
It's okay if you disagree with me Bingo, you could be right and I HOPE you are. HOWSOEVER; What in hades is LE investigating, since they let him walk away with both HIS and Amanda's cell phones, her diaries and journals, BOTH their computers and God knows what all else; AND allowed him to destroy the carpeting the VERY next day! You've got to be kidding, right? There was nothing left to investigate.
What other coincidences? Dogs can't talk! And they have held the 911 call to their vest, refusing to release it; themselves, covering a multitude of sins. You are guessing if you think LE is investigating just because they have arrested the 'three' suspects, who 'might' or might not talk.
ABSOLUTELY, this is 101 stuff. Couldn't agree more. But this doesn't mean the Indy LE is on the up and up themselves, now does it? Maybe I am the only one so far, but I smell a rate whether anyone else does or not. And IMO, that rat's name is NOBEL and his vast and affluent influence. Let's just hope I'm wrong. ABB
So your thinking is that this is a cover-up and funded by PN? Why would he risk his millions to cover this meager church and by his own words this Crazy Davey?!?
I do agree with you that is was shotty police work in clearing him so quickly and not bringing him in for questioning but I feel there are things being done that we don't know about. If there is a connection to the thugs, I think it will be discovered.
Can you think of anyone ELSE who has the vast and sweeping influence Nobel has? Enlighten me if you can. As for why he would risk his millions to cover this meager little investment that involved his crazy friend; don't forget, a PLANT church he funded to the tune of at least 100Thou that we know about? Who knows why people do what they do in their efforts to hide their OWN misdeeds when they would have been better off to vocalize their misdeeds in the first place? It happens all the time.
You think it will be 'discovered', while I don't. I noticed Nancy Grace certainly fell in line with the Indy LE right away and all of a sudden so did other media. Quiet as a church mouse. Was I the only one who observed this? Now WHY would she do this if not for her own quiet reasons?
How do WE know that it hasn't already been discovered and LE is keeping quiet about it due to their OWN misdeeds? We don't. Speculation is all we have. ABB
ABB, will be curious to why PN came to Resonate and what will happen tomorrow.
I found the lack of coverage of the case on the news after those initial few weeks odd also.
Yeah, right?! What IS a big wig money-scamming multi-millionaire preacher doing coming to little ole Resonate in Indy in the first place! Chimney, like he needs to coddle up with these mostly half-wits and their paltry tithes and offerings? You couldn't pay me good money to hear what he has to say. I won't be watching him on video either.
If there's one thing I do, it is try to protect my mind and SOUL from outside influences by the works of the devil. This man changed the Ten Commandments as given by Moses from the unseen Hand of God? Nobel is of the devil, just as is his friend Davey, and they are capable of doing just about anything; whatever their father the devil dictates to them, this is what they do.
ODD isn't the half of it, Bingo. I purely despise Nancy disGraces' loud mouthed bullying tactics; however, the particular night she dropped any further mention of the Blackburn minister's wife being murdered in Indy, I happened to be watching the commercials that day, and being interested in the case I decided I would see what she had to say in her 'bombshell' up to the minute latest motor mouth proclamations.
Lo and behold she spent the entire show except for the last five minutes announcing that it was coming while she up-dated on everything else BUT the Blackburn case. I sat there almost the entire hour waiting for her bomshell to 'come.'
Finally, she swings into her 'up-date' and has this black detective from the Indy LE open up with her saying "can you tell me the latest..." and he starts out by saying, "well, we know Amanda Blackburn was raped" and before he could go any further she cut right in before he could finish his comment and cut him off, saying rudely, with no explanation; 'next our list of the deceased' and swings into a commercial, then immediately goes to her longer than usual pathetic sympathetic list of the deceased that she always makes such a weepy big deal of.
I SAW this for myself. She is a frea'kin dose of fake if there ever was one. THEN I subsequently watched as other media quickly cooled off and fell silent in the Blackburn matter. One of her favorite sayings goes something like; "the devil will be dancing on so-and-so's grave tonight and bla bla.' If Nancy Grace doesn't watch her step, the devil will also be dancing on HER grave one of these days. ABB
Can someone direct me to an actual, factual statement or quote by Davey Blackburn regarding when the carpet/house was cleaned?
Amanda was attacked on Nov. 10th. CSI Specialist Colleen Clark documented the scene with video, photographs, and a sketch. She took multiple blood and DNA swabs (as well as other physical items).
On Nov. 11th at 7:55 AM, Amanda was declared legally dead. On Nov. 12 at 10:00 AM, the autopsy was done yielding 2 bullets, nail scrapings, and a clearer picture of her wounds (wounds themselves, damage, angles of trajectory, etc.). Pure speculation here, but the facial wounds also likely provided additional DNA evidence. They may or may not have done a rape kit.
Nothing but opinion here, when LE made the decision to return to the house they knew full well it had been cleaned...and yet they went. IMHO, whatever they came for was unaffected by or independent of the cleaning. They already had the Swisher Sweets, video cam footage from multiple sources, ATM footage, DNA and blood swabs, DNA evidence from the Sebring and neighbor's sweater, and DNA from the neighbor's home (and likely numerous usable evidentiary latent prints). The scene itself had been photographed, video recorded, and sketched. LE came back for a reason, IMO.
daveyblackburn @daveyblackburn 26 Dec 2015
This was an excerpt from the song sung at our wedding. Amanda wrote it in her journal May of 2014
SCOTT KRIPPAYNE 1999
You Have Been Good Lyrics
If I never get to see another rainbow
Or share another life with a friend
If I never stand barefoot by the ocean
Or get to kiss my child goodnight again
If I never have another prayer that's answered
Or have another blessing come my way
If this is all I know of heaven's kindness
Father, I would still have to say [unverified]
**snipped- there’s more
http://www.elyrics.net/read/s/scott-krippayne-lyrics/you-have-been-good-lyrics.html
Davey’s either cherry-picking Amanda’s journal for entries to use out of context to support his claim that God ordained-allowed Amanda to die for “the Church” (a.k.a. Ezekiel syndrome) OR this is another in a long, long line of “coincidences”. Can we say manipulation? Davey’s deliberately and consciously picking and using Amanda’s journal entries to support his claim that she was so into God that she gladly died for Jesus, Resonate, and the unlovable. So, how does he explain the shot to the lower left arm that traveled up her left bicep? It’s pretty easy to discern that Amanda was most likely holding her arm out, as in “Stop!"/ "No!“. Sorry, Davey, but she didn’t go down without a fight. She did not want to die! If this was God's will, then Amanda didn't get the memo.
According to Amanda’s Twitter they got married Aug.1, 2008. Anyone find it a little odd that she would choose a song that was nearly 10 years old? Anyone find it odd that it’s depressing for a joyous occasion like a wedding? How about coincidentally “prophetic”?
ABB, thanks very much for the kind words ! - I don't feel upbeat, but frustrated and definitely hopeful that Bingo3 is right and that IMPD and FBI are ALL over this case and just trying to gather enough evidence or connections to make a solid case against Davey. It's so true that if we can see the coincidences and flags and all of the unexplainable issues, they HAD to be able to see them.
Now, whether they ignored them through slackness or under pressure from a higher entity is a whole different thing - and this is where family or anonymous people need to make voices heard to be sure they are aware that people think there's a case here and that ignoring the obvious makes them look less than thorough at best and incompetent at worst.
Yes, the dog - where was he - and the statement in the press conference that "you're not as smart as you think you are", which we are hoping the detective meant toward Davey because everyone here says these thugs didn't think they were smart - someone upthread made a connection to Ryan M and his work with youth - Davey unfriending (I think it was) Treezy on Facebook after posters noted that there were friends in common - can't remember all of the connections now but I believe they are there.
I hope/think the 911 call is going to be a major key to this -with Davey's omission of details that would've caused 911 to dispatch IMPD. That alone should raise a huge question to IMPD, why wouldn't he tell everything he saw, why wouldn't he tell the operator that intruders had been in his house?
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The resolution of this case gives me hope in Amanda Blackburn's case -
Dr Toni Henthorn's husband killed her by pushing her off of a cliff during a hike in September 2012 and her husband was only just convicted of murdering her in September 2015. . . .
Initially, no foul play was suspected in the September 2012 death of Toni Henthorn, with Harold telling investigators his wife had slipped and fell 140 feet to her death as they were hiking on Deer Mountain Trail in the park to celebrate their 12th wedding anniversary.
Three years later, prosecutors spent two weeks arguing what Toni's family had long suspected: Harold had purposefully pushed Toni. . .
This is just one of the links about the case - there are many - but this one contains the 911 call recording -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3258020/She-never-saw-coming-Prosecutors-release-never-seen-images-woman-smiling-husband-anniversary-hike-just-pushed-death.html
This is the affidavit for a search warrant, really interesting the way they break down the statements and actions of everyone. I would love to see a similar breakdown of what happened at the Blackburn house that morning.
https://localtvkdvr.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/henthorn-affidavit-warrant.pdf
This is interesting, from page 18 of 35 in the above-linked affidavit -
56. On October 2, 2012, the NPS and the Larimer County Coroner’s Office received an anonymous letter stating HENTHORN’s wife from 17 years ago died in a suspicious accident where HENTHORN was the only witness and to, “Please thoroughly investigate the death of Dr. Toni Henthorn…Sadly there are many similarities to these two accidents.”
57. Subsequently the National Park Service, Estes Park Police Department, Larimer County Sheriff’s Office and Coroner’s Office and the Department of Homeland Security received a total of 16 calls and letters between October 1, 2012 and October 24. 2012, requesting the death of Toni Henthorn be investigated or to express concerns about Toni Henthorn’s death.
It took three solid years before this husband was convicted of killing his wife. It seems there would have been far more evidence to gather at the Blackburn house than from this scene on the mountain - even after Davey had purified his house, so to speak - plus which Davey's behaviors and statements in videos before that Tuesday, his actions on that morning and statements and behavior since then show enough to indicate that he needs to be investigated to the full extent of the capabilities of LE.
I wonder if there is enough of a similar outcry in some way (as in the above case where calls and letters were written to the authorities), IMPD and FBI would realize people are looking at them and their handling of this situation and case and take a closer look, if they're not already. It's an endless circle because we hope they are looking already and if they are, we wouldn't know - but if they're not - they absolutely should be.
Foolsfeedonfolly, I was writing while you were posting - it's good to see you here tonight.
Yeah, it sounds like LE returned to the house for a reason. If I remember correctly, they were there for awhile - I think I saw that stated somewhere. I wonder what they were seeking. I wonder if that was a scratch on Davey's face in those initial interviews and if maybe his DNA was under her nails.
Yeah, definitely a depressing song for a wedding - it makes more sense if that's how she was feeling when she posted it in May 2014, trapped in a marriage to a wolf in sheep's clothing but trying to look on the bright side.
Davey certainly does seem to be picking and choosing journal entries to post that corroborate Amanda's willingness to die for the betterment of his church. I keep thinking back to one where he says she posted shortly before she was killed (it might've been the day before, how convenient) that (paraphrasing) I know you God are in control and are the author of this story. . . the word "this" stuck out to me, how did she know she was going to have a story? This was in one of his early interviews when he was reading from her journal.
And I think it is so insensitive of him to broadcast - to the planet - her writings and personal thoughts from her journal that he knew she hated him reading.
Fools, due the language in the affidavit, I was under the impression that the third bullet is what they went back for. It says they obtained a search warrant for the Blackburn home then lists what police took from the home. It then says, "A bullet hole was later discovered in the base of the stairwell. A lead bullet was recovered from under the stairs."
Makes sense to me since the first time the police were in the home (Tuesday), they were unsure if her third wound was a gunshot. Wednesday night is when they went back.
That's just what I took from it.
flightfulbird- I hear you! I hate that he repeatedly over rode her wishes and read her journal while she was alive. I hate even more that he's reading her journal now (she's not here to stop him), much less posting it, much less cherry-picking it to further his false prophecy. That is is no way, shape, or form love. It was bullying, emotional abuse, immature, and deceitful= in short, the pastor lacks personal integrity
He must have been very worried about what she might really be writing, as he re-offended (as he told us). She must have been pretty careful to flatter him. If he didn't speak to her for two days for accidentally denting his grill, how much angrier would he have been if she damaged his reputation (personally or professionally)? I strongly suspect that's why he was so adamant about wives not talking to others about marital issues. Note the double standard though: He was free to tell the whole world about her and his perception of their marital stress "triggers" in the guise of sermons. He did a great job isolating her from her sister, mother, and father (any of whom she could have confided in) with his rhetoric about keeping issue solely between the husband and wife. He made sure their marriage counseling was done by members of their mother church, who'd give the same advice. He, in essence, twisted scripture and made it a sin for her to discuss their marriage issues with any other woman (cutting off any friends). Typically, Amandae was very self-assured and self-confident in her own right, but Davey exploited her faith and used it to control her (his Q & A series details it-she was having sex first on Date Night not because she wanted to but because she had to meet his need before he'd consider meeting hers)= manipulation.
Davey's invested a lot of his life in portraying himself as a fun-loving, "cool", cut-up, harmless, manly jock kind of guy. I'm going on record agreeing with Peter; he's more intelligent than he portrays and he's pretty good at reading people and manipulating them. IMO, he chooses those he knows he can manipulate and creates a fan club for himself (much like "innocent" wide-eyed Michael Jackson did). There's a reason some people are called charming. ;) In his case, he uses the Bible, God, and God "speaking" to him in the shower ton control those around him. He manipulates them into distrusting anyone who dares utter a word against him.
Bad Juju- Thanks for the feedback! You brought up an important point for me.
Reading the Probable Cause, it sounds like they were unaware of the second bullet wound (due to the more obvious and life-threatening head trauma) until the actual autopsy, which was done on Thursday. So why would LE have gone back to the house on Wednesday? They wouldn't have been aware of the bullet wound/missing bullet until Thursday, right? That's the impression I'm getting from the document. That's one of the reasons I was hoping for a link to a quote about the house being released to Davey and his having it cleaned (professionally?). Thinking about that, now I'm wondering if he said it was professionally cleaned or was that implied/assumed.
P.S. I know the Probable Cause has some probable in it, so not every word is set in stone. :) But the autopsy report is a legal finding.
Bad Juju- If I'm missing it about the third identifiable wound, please let me know. Thanks! I say third identifiable because I think the upper back was actually the second time she was shot, with the third being the final head shot. It makes no sense to shoot someone in the back of the head at close range and then shoot them in the upper back. Just my opinion though- I seem to have a lot of those! LOL
Thinking about this and apologizing if it's already been mentioned:
Does anyone think that if "God" allowed/ordained Amanda to die "so that the Church might live", that neatly gets Davey off the hook for leaving the front door unlocked? Thereby, it's not only "divinely ordered", but absolves Davey from all responsibility. By strongly implying it was God's will, who's going to argue with God and tell Him He's wrong? Those who did were quickly painted as God-less and attacking the man of God or simply blocked and their comments deleted. Peter was right, Davey fully intended to deceive with his God-spoke-to-me-in-the-shower bit. Intent to deceive= Need to deceive...which becomes "Why?".
If God did it, then Davey can keep being admired, adored, and idolized as Pastor Davey. He can keep his job, lifestyle, and fan-club in one fell swoop and gain more attention (i.e. more fans, more tithe money), enjoy having his fans rush to help the grieving widower and single parenting dad, have numerous offers of help caring for Weston, and get tax-free money from his fans and the emotionally-driven public.
Foolsfeedonfolly - found this about professional house cleaning from WTHR "Indiana's News Leader" - not sure if it's accurate information or not (?)
http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/autopsy-could-provide-more-details-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion
Copy/paste from article linked -
Detectives and a second crime lab team revisited the Blackburn home on Sunnyfield Court on Indianapolis' northwest side Wednesday night after releasing the house Tuesday back to the family.
A local professional commercial cleaning company had already been called in and had left the home by Wednesday afternoon.
No details have been made public about what, if anything, police found after detectives relaunched the crime scene evidence techs. There's no word yet on why they did so.
Another copy/paste -
Although Lt. Riddle referred to "killers," he said at this point police don't know how many people they're looking for. They also don't know how the intruders got into the house.
"I know our detectives are speaking with the husband and are following up on basically how he left the house that morning. And if that door was locked or if it wasn't; things like that," said Lt. Riddle.
The affidavit says Davey told Detective Perkins (when he was speaking with him at the hospital) that he left the front door unlocked (I still cannot believe that - really ?!) This article was written on Thursday, well after that interview. If they were still following up with him and asking questions about securing the residence, does this mean that things weren't wrapped up as soon as it sounds like they were? They already knew the door was unlocked from Davey's initial conversation with the detective.
Also something that is in my mind after reading this article - from the affidavit it looks as though IMPD eventually had video from multiple surveillance cameras but the only pictures that have been released to the public are the grainy ones that don't show a face - but maybe LE could've seen faces, would've seen cars coming and going and maybe Davey driving past, sitting on his driveway for how long and whether he went in and came back out. . . I need to look at how close the cameras were to the Blackburn house and where they were situated along the block.
Clutching for straws for sure, maybe none of this means anything.
I guess I'm thinking the more the detectives talked to Davey, the more chances for him to slip up early on. And now I'm thinking how soon was it that they said he was cleared? - were they still talking to him after that?
And yeah, Davey had everything to gain if Amanda was killed - but if she had left him and taken Weston or worse yet exposed any alternate preferences he might or might not have, that would've wrecked everything, shattered the illusion he was trying to create. The only way for him to move forward so peacefully was if he could get her out of the picture and then convince his flock that it was God's will and Amanda would've been on board with it had she known.
Very messed up for sure.
Fools, I tend to agree about the order of the gunshots. But I do think that surely the hospital doctors would have eventually determined it was a gunshot wound in her back. They would have removed her organs Wednesday, right? Maybe that's when they determined the nature of the wound? I don't know.
Don't know if this helps, but I found an article that says this:
"Detectives and a second crime lab team revisited the Blackburn home on Sunnyfield Court on Indianapolis' northwest side Wednesday night after releasing the house Tuesday back to the family.
A local professional commercial cleaning company had already been called in and had left the home by Wednesday afternoon."
http://www.wthr.com/story/30500485/autopsy-could-provide-more-details-of-womans-death-in-violent-home-invasion
Fools @11:51
Sure, it all makes perfectly convoluted sense if you're a manipulative psychopath with a flock of followers who can't/won't think for themselves.
What happened to Amanda was not God's will. It was the work of carnal men trapped in sin.
flightfulbird and Bad Juju- Thank you for finding those articles and so quickly too! I'm impressed!
flightfulbird- The article does read as though LE had some lingering doubt or something wasn't adding up with the known information. Hmmm.
Bad Juju- Thank you again! I was thinking along the same lines with the organ donation- that they had to have been aware of the upper back wound, considering the damage it a though and through wound would have produced. Perhaps the coroner's Thursday report was the legal testimony and solidification of what LE was after Wednesday evening?
Bobcat @ 12:24 AM Jan.17
I know. I don't think it's that the flock can't/won't think for themselves. It think it's more that they've been fed a bunch of self-help slogans and psycho-babble, sprinkled with a little Bible. They don't have enough Bible knowledge in their system to know they're being deceived. That's what makes them vulnerable to people like Davey.
That's what happens when you have a bunch of baby Christians, who don't know a lot because they're just starting to crawl. They need milk first (God's Word in little bites). Just like a baby, as they grow, they're ready to begin chewing on the meatier sections (reading more and understanding more and more). But guys like Davey and Perry Noble don't feed their congregations milk, then meat. They can't afford for their followers to grow up into mature Christians, able to read and understand their Bibles for themselves; able to discern the truth from the lie. Like the Chinese formula companies mixing melamine powder into their baby formula to increase their profits, they mix false teaching and catchy feel good slogans with a little Bible and feed their "children".
A well-respected pastor I knew once very emphatically told his congregation, "Don't you ever take my word for it! You look it up and you read it for yourself! I don't care if it's me telling it to you or somebody else- You read it for yourself!". He knew he was young, energetic, athletic, attractive, charismatic, and a dynamic speaker. He also knew that a lot of cult leaders share those same qualities and told us so point blank. ;)
Fools, you're welcome for the article, but I should have refreshed the page, because I see Flighful beat me to it, haha.
I'm *guessing* the hospital saw there were two bullets in Amanda after doing whatever x-rays and scans they had to do to see how much damage was done to her body and determine brain activity. Perhaps, when they removed her organs and figured out the back wound was a gunshot, they knew they were missing a bullet.
I think the quote from the article about the "detectives speaking with the husband" implies Davey went to the station for questioning. That would definitely be standard operating procedure, and I think the people getting all worked up and insisting he was never taken in for questioning must not realize that. They would want to get further info about his habits when it comes to locking the door, going to the gym, talking on the phone, whether they were having any problems with anybody, etc., etc. They questioned him at the hospital, yes, but it wasn't the appropriate time or place for in-depth interrogation.
Fools @ 1:03
Ah, yes. They are after the unchurched, because they don't realize what a pile of crap they're tithing.
This writer describes them as "turnstile" churches. Very interesting stuff here. http://www.revfrankhughesjr.org/8220theemergentchurch8221.html
So, anyone know if pn is actually preaching at resonate Sunday? On Twitter looks like he has a if event at newspring. Tweet from resonate that looking forward to seeing him but no response. Odd that pn never posts or mentions db and never likes or comments on his tweets. Pn seems very active on social media so I'd have expected something from him- his silence speaks volumes.
"Saturday night is the SEMESTER Kick-Off for students 6th - 12th Grade" (Twitter). This is where they start their brainwashing. This is DB's comfort zone, grades 6-12.
"Tonight at #SKO we saw 12 students give their lives to Jesus!!!"
Resonate Church @resonateindy
So, is the middle school allowing this so-called church recruit middle school students despite knowing (and reporting to legal authority) that the so-called pastor took an airsoft gun onto his platform and shot it at a human being to demonstrate how to "shoot your worries"???
Someone posted that Davey was brought in for questioning by the police. If this is true, this makes me feel so much better. That is the one thing that just bothered me so much. You always bring the spouse in for a taped interrogation. I haven't been able to find that, can someone post that article. I also agree that when police said "You are not as smart as you think you are, it may have been toward Davey." Why would they post that toward a bunch of gang thugs? And I too am curious about that cut on Davey's face. Surely by now they would have that DNA evidence back?
And yes Perry Noble is speaking at Resonate. I really cannot believe it! He must really think Davey is innocent. Why would he keep associating himself with CD? And of course on twitter Davey is bringing up the numbers.12 students were saved last night. These guys are obsessed with numbers. It appears Davey is officially back in pastor mode. As you will notice on twitter he isn't posting turning mourning into dancing anymore. It is back to numbers, church events and being pumped about God.
Rosy, apparently the school board has taken no action to-date against Davey Blackburn and his so-called church for bringing a firearm onto school grounds. If they have, we certainly haven't heard about it; or am I mistaken?
Seems to me if they had they would no longer be allowing him to practice his false doctrine on school property, causing him to have to go out and rent more expensive space elsewhere. But of course, ever since the 'event' occurred in Davey's magnificent life that granted him freedom, I guess anything is possible now?
Sorry FoolsFeedOnFolly; As much as I like and respect you and your posts (for the most part, but not so much where you are quoting from the teachings of Paul and him discouraging the young Christian as being only able to drink milk and take baby steps, etc., which Jesus never said at all; he said "take up your cross and follow me"); specifically, I have to disagree with you about Davey being so smart.
He is not, in fact, is not even well educated and certainly not as a public speaker. I can't imagine how he ever got his degree. He butchers the English language. He has a degree in media/journalism? Somebody shoot me! He is deceitful, clever, crafty and manipulative but this does not add up to being "smart" or one having a higher IQ that is above average.
It does not take a smart person to deceive the masses whether it be in religion or politics. People are easily deceived. Think for a moment; this country would not be in its' present condition if it were not for more than 51% of our citizens being stupid, so just in considering this factor alone, it is not difficult to see how so many sheeple would be deceived by the Davey Blackburns of this world. It is NOT because he is so smart; it is because they are gullible and stupid. Seriously and with all due respect; I've known of cab drivers and construction workers who were smarter than Davey Blackburn, who had no formal education at all. ABB
I'll be interested to see the video of pn's sermon. I do feel like he's still distancing himself from db, but not the church himself. This is based on Twitter history only so would like to see if his sermon collaborates that. I feel there may be a lot happening behind the scenes that we're not aware of. Db is pushing hard with his story of ab's death being somehow preordained to revive his little church. There's a reason he's not preaching yet and it's not bereavement. There's also a reason pn is in town and my guess is damage control.
Bingo, the statement was, "You are not as good as you think you are."
Why would he say that to the thugs? Because they thought they were "good" by disconnecting cameras, and they thought they were "good" by covering their face at the ATM and pulling the hoody around their face while roaming the neighborhood, and they thought they were "good" by burglarizing three houses in a row but managing to escape before police were ever called.
The video is here: http://fox59.com/2015/11/13/impd-chief-rick-hite-to-talk-about-crime-in-city-and-amanda-blackburns-murder/
Major Hench begins speaking about 45 minutes in, and the statement in question is made at about 48 minutes in. He talks about the suspect caught on neighborhood cameras, then asks people to come forward with info about this person. He then addresses the person responsible and makes the statement in question, then again implores people who know who the guy caught on camera to call in tips so they can bring closure to the Blackburn family. He then says, "We will find you."
Davey Blackburn didn't need to be found. They knew exactly where he was.
(I would transcribe it, but it's too difficult on my tablet, and my son is using the computer right now.)
I know people really, really want that statement to have been directed at Davey Blackburn, but when you put it in context of what the major was talking about, that seems like wishful thinking.
Yes Anon, I am leaning toward the damage control thing too. PN is obviously a control freak and just about a week ago one of SA readers sent a email to PN asking him about DB odd behavior. PN immediately had his assistant email her back saying DB has many men of God surrounding him. The SA reader proceeded to ask about the jock strap, etc. And then what do you know, PN is heading to Indy! I don't think PN likes to be questioned about anything and he is coming to Resonate for like you already stated, DAMAGE CONTROL and to protect his reputation. I am so curious to know if PN really believes DB had no connection to the murder? He couldn't be that naive. I sure hope Peter watches and does a SA on the service today!
Anon @ 10:46
"I'll be interested to see the video of pn's sermon. I do feel like he's still distancing himself from db, but not the church himself. This is based on Twitter history only so would like to see if his sermon collaborates that. I feel there may be a lot happening behind the scenes that we're not aware of. Db is pushing hard with his story of ab's death being somehow preordained to revive his little church. There's a reason he's not preaching yet and it's not bereavement. There's also a reason pn is in town and my guess is damage control."
Yes, damage control!! I wonder if DB will be encouraged to take a LONG sabbatical. I can't imagine CD taking direction from anyone with less "authority" over him than PN.
Anon, re your post @10:46, I do not see preacher Nobel distancing himself at all from Davey Blackburn. His visitation to Davey's little bitty resonate church, IMO, is to publically show his full support of his little protégé' Davey Blackburn. What other reason could he possibly have for being there? Follow the money trail, and it ISN'T Davey's money trail; NOT unless Nobel makes it such.
Davey's little pitiful offering of a 'church' is like p'ssing in the ocean trying to create a little stream to Preacher Nobel. Nobel doesn't have any lucrative means for needing to suck up to Davey Blackburn unless it is to protect some past, present and future interest he personally has in showing himself in support of Davey Blackburn.
He has a motive and IMO, it certainly isn't this little p'ssy ministry that doesn't have a pot to p'ss in or a window to throw it out of. ABB
BadJuJu, I agree with your post @1l:06. IMO, LE wasn't talking to or about Davey Blackburn at all in the video you mentioned. No disrespect meant to anyone else, but how silly to think otherwise. Just wistful thinking and speculation, that's all. ABB
Perhaps you're right ABB. I just feel that with pn's heavy social media presence he would show support for db via that medium rather than travel all the way to Indiana to speak to a church of 100. It seems there may be more happening behind the scenes then we are aware of.
Anon @11:38, you could be right, but in what way? I think my previous posts indicates that Nobel could only be self-serving to his own interests as there isn't anything else for him to gain in showing up at Davey's little crapo 'church' that can't even support its' own pastor, and certainly not to the tune of making increment payments to it's general organizational overseer and financier, Nobel.
As to "it seems there may be more happening behind the scenes than we are aware of", well of course there is; however, not as it would pertain to any under cover investigation of Davey Blackburn.
IndyLE has already abundantly made it clear that they have no interest in investigating or pursuing Davey Blackburn as a suspect, even slamming emails that they have received from at least two posters here that clearly pointed out authentic reasons that he SHOULD be investigated and suggested they might want to look further at Davey Blackburn wherein LE quickly and blatantly refused. They are not kidding or playing with us. For whatever their twisted reasons, they make it very clear, it AIN'T happening! We have been made fools out of. Period. Seriously. ABB
ABB,
PN certainly doesn't have anything to gain by visiting DB's church, but he has losses that need to be contained. That is how visiting Resonate serves his interests. DB is a rogue and needs to be cut free from the mother ship.
DB had the house professionally cleaned the morning after Amanda's accident. Im interested to know exactly when DB knew she had been shot. Was it the moment medics called for LE to come to the house that morning? When they were carting her out to the ambulance did DB know she'd been shot? If he had, I'd be interested to know his demeanor. If he thought she was just injured in a fall and then was informed she'd been shot I'd love to know how he reacted at that very moment. He obviously was talked to at the hospital by LE so he knew then right? Is that why he had the house cleaned? Was the whole house cleaned? If she was solely attacked in that living room area, why wouldn't he just have the carpet cleaned? I'd like to know how much blood was present. What husband in his right mind would give a rats a$$ about his house when his WIFE is dying in a hopital? I'm surprised he was allowed to do that. If he's involved in this crime did he do it to remove any trace of HIS involvement or was it just to clean up the blood left by Amanda? The other thing that gets me is the dog. Did they always put her in the cage at night? If she was always at Amanda's side then I find that hard to believe. Was Amanda up when DB left for the gym? If she was then why wasn't the dog loose? Do they think she was awoken by the intruders? I guess she could have come out from her bedroom thinking it was DB. Otherwise I'd be calling 911 on my phone. But since I wasn't there I don't want to guess. Just throwing questions out there. I just find it really ironic that her dog was locked up when this crime took place. I think LE would be curious if the dog wasn't normally caged. I just wish I could have answers to these little aspects of the situation.
Perry Noble @perrynoble 42m42 minutes ago
Hey @newspring family- celebrate with me because this morning we got to see 8 people receive Christ @resonateindy!
Post from ABB:
IndyLE has already abundantly made it clear that they have no interest in investigating or pursuing Davey Blackburn as a suspect, even slamming emails that they have received at least two posters here that clearly pointed out authentic reasons that he SHOULD be investigated and suggested they might want to look further at Davey Blackburn wherein LE quickly and blatantly refused. They are not kidding or playing with us. For whatever their twisted reasons, they make it very clear, it AIN'T happening! We have been made fools out of. Period. Seriously. ABB
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I agree with you that clearing the hubby so quickly was very odd. I have never seen that happen, but as far as LE responding to the posters. Do you really think they would divulge any info in regard to Davey being investigated. No way! If they are investigating him(and I personally think they still are) they are going to make sure Davey does not know he is under investigation. Just my opinion but I think they are letting him get real comfortable with his innocence. The same thing happened here with the pastor who killed his wife. They let him think he was off the hook and he hung his own self.
Badjuju, 11:06. That statement about not being as good as you think you are could be directed at anyone. Yes they knew where DB was but that doesn't mean they weren't directing it at him. I'm thinking they probably were not but the statement was directed at the individual who did the crime. So that leaves it open. It's not fair to say it was directed at DB but it could be. IF DB did this I could totally make sense of that comment because I'm sure he would feel like he was so smooth and intelligent in thinking he could get away with the perfect crime. You just never know when LE sends secret or hidden messages to people. These thugs that have been arrested did what they did right out in the open. They could have been caught at any moment. I don't know how they thought they were good at their "craft". They openly walked around and went right into homes. They got caught on camera a couple of times. They were dumb criminals if you ask me and were not smart about being discrete or untraceable at all. So I don't know why the cops thought that the thugs felt like they were good.
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