They have no association with the investigation and have only gleaned the information from media.
They relied upon Statement Analysis, Behavioral Analysis, and their own extensive experience in investigating homicides, as well as home invasions.
This is a short consensus of their opinion and what they think happened. It is a narrative of opinion.
All parties are innocent until proven guilty, including those in custody now. Police have stated that they knew, "100%" (from media) that the husband of the victim was not the shooter. Suspects are in custody in the murder. This represents private opinions on the publicly stated quotes and information.
Picture a needle with -10 to the left, 0 in the center, and + 10 to the right. 0 is neutral, while moving negative to the left, indicates potential guilt of the husband, while moving to the right suggests innocence of the husband.
1. Statistics
Most homicides involving pregnant women prove out to show involvement by the man close to her and the pregnancy, including husband, ex husband, estranged husband, or boyfriend.
Jealousy can enter such cases and lead to violence.
Some shaken baby victims, for example, were killed by the non-biological husband, who resented the child that he did not father. In this case, it is not known if there was infidelity on the part of the victim, but there was nothing in the statements to suggest anything but the husband being the father of the unborn child.
That the number one suspect in the murder of pregnant women is a statistic not ignored by the investigators and all felt this was important to be open to.
2. Relationship Quality
In domestic homicides, the quality of the relationship is always 'front and center' in the investigation. Since husband/boyfriends are the most likely responsible, investigators ask if there was a history of marital discord. If so, the percentages move in the specific direction of the earlier statistic.
In this case we are told by both the victim and the husband that the marital relationship was in turmoil to the point of separation, and with specific elements.
In domestic homicides, the husband is first viewed, and then the quality of the relationship is viewed, but investigators then look for something specific to happen to cause the violence: this is a "trigger." When a stressor or trigger is found, it also moves the statistical needle to move.
3. Trigger
A 'trigger' or a 'stressor' is something that pushes the relationship to the level where violence goes from thought to action; a stressor is sought to be identified by investigators. Many times the stressor is infidelity. This becomes an underlying anger that suppressed, can eventually surface against the child (shaken baby syndrome above) where the 'cuckolded' husband is saddled with a constant living breathing reminder of his wife's infidelity. It may be worse if the child is a boy and looks like the biological father. Infidelity on either part can be a trigger. If the husband has a new love interest, it could be a trigger in the bad relationship, just as if the wife has been unfaithful to him.
Other triggers can include sudden loss of job, change of job, loss of support, death in the family, pregnancy, and so on. Investigators seek to learn if something within the relationship has changed making a bad relationship now worse.
In this case, the investigators conclusively pointed to the husband's own identification of the trigger: pregnancy. The husband specifically named the pregnancy as the stressor or trigger that made the relationship disruption, though the wife identified the husband's career as the source of discord.
All recognized the acute obsession the husband had with his work as well as the distancing language between him and the victim as extreme. The initial statement as well as the consistent distancing language shown towards the victim confirmed the husband's and victim's assertions about the marital discord.
4. Behavioral Analysis
All investigators were bothered by the following points of the case:
a. The timing of the home invasion
b. The element of violence in the home invasion
c. The patterns of behavior by the husband
That each Tuesday he not only went to the gym at the same time, but always had the same pone call, at the same time on the very date of the home invasion robbery.
That on this particular date, the husband stayed out of the home for a full 40 minutes while his wife lay dying stood out, in particular, as 'taking the coincidence too far' for reason, to the investigators.
Although the showing off of a gun in a 'sermon' stood out, powerfully, as a revelation of what was on his mind, just days before the murder, it was the additional and apparently unnecessary delay, in the driveway, that no investigator could dismiss. They stated that they would need to learn that this, too, was his pattern, to reduce the suspicion based upon coincidence.
All were also confronted with the husband's lack of fear of the uncaught killers, as if he had confidence that he could not possibly be the next target.
All attempted to 'explain away' any of these points, to justify innocence. Each attempt, including examining religious language, did not suffice. That there was no call for justice was bothersome, but not so much as having a home invaded and a wife murdered: he had no fear. This coupled with not only distancing language, but was taken with the drive for the career, all stood out as behavior suggesting knowledge of the crime.
5. Intelligence of Husband
This was another universal point: he is well above average intelligence and would not have been so foolish as to hire a hitman.
They stated that if he orchestrated the opportunity for the crime, he used this intelligence.
All expressed concern about local law enforcement training and/or ability to conduct a thorough interview with the husband, due to his mastery of language and intellect. They stated that a highly skilled interviewer was needed and most expressed some concern of local unwillingness to utilize federal assistance in interviewing.
The intelligence was noted in the publishing and commercializing of the murder; he knew how to present himself and attempt to utilize the death for the future salesmanship, including calling the murder a "story" and "event." It was also noted that in his attempt to gain authority over others, he revealed himself in the 'shower' statement, which should stand very strongly to investigators in how to strategize the interview: they must use his intelligence to get him to reveal the truth.
6. A Powerful Secret
All stated that the analysis of the 'hidden secret lie' was likely sexuality. This was affirmed by:;
a. The mentor's statement about "something very wrong" in which a female would rectify
b. The "shower" statement, which they concluded not only an association with the psychological need for cleansing.
c. His mentor's own wording: while avoiding speaking of Christ's Resurrection and specific details of the victim's own life and love of Christ, the mentor spoke in sexual terms about the physical attributes of the husband indicating that sex was on the speaker's mind.
d. The videos. They stated that the videos showed not only one who frequently spoke about sex, but seemed to have a need to persuade his audience of his sex drive...for women. Examples cited included the reference to the gym, his depersonalizing of the victim in his 'we have to have sex before dinner' statement, as well as his deliberate choreographing for the audience, including clothing, bearing and appearance.
That one would 'live a lie' is associated with continual stress and ongoing resentment, which can build over time, and be pushed to action by a stressor or 'trigger' event. The lie, if true, that is lived, is one in which bitterness never goes away, even during happier times and can grow with time.
If the victim knew of this secret, a sense of impotence could come over the liar, himself, and build resentment, fearful of exposure at any time, with the sense of living in a marriage of "blackmail", even unspoken, while being silently coerced into submission, lest 'she tell.'
This can lead to great fear of not only exposure, but fear of divorce.
A divorce would cripple his career and was not an option.
The last portion of deep embittered feelings in living a lie is the thought that happiness or contentment may 'exist with another', only increasing resentment of the victim, over time.
This was something heavily discussed in light of the distancing language he used. The language of distance was consistent with resentment.
The 'correction' of language was noted: whether he or advisors read the analysis, there were changes made after analysis was posted.
It was also noted, though not heavily, that the distancing language with his son (and pre born murdered child) was consistent with one 'living a lie in life', full time. Each point continues to push the needle in the negative, lower and lower.
7. Home Invasions
All pointed to the crime scene as having elements of possible staging, if, for example, she was not sexually assaulted. In cases where the clothing is removed without sexual assault, the perpetrator may have done this for the appearance of sexual assault.
Other elements noted included the unlocked door combining with the routine of the gym, and the phone call, coupled with what is known about home invasions: most seek to go in and out quickly, undetected, and want either items to quickly pawn, or cash, which would suggest prior knowledge of the home (drug dealers have cash, for example) but home invasions do not always have such violence, and if met with resistance, the violence is generally not associated with the removal of clothing.
Questions that arose include if these same perpetrators committed violence in other robberies, and if so, what was the nature of the violence, and what was the result of the violence, warranting answers.
Conclusion
The investigators all stated that the nature of the case pointed to anything but random. The details all point to orchestration.
What was asked was to consider this possible scenario:
That if the husband is involved, he would have used his intellect to orchestrate it, and would not have simply sought out a killer to be easily traced.
He would have had contact with members higher up in the gang, through schools, or the church, who would hear an opportunity that included a severe complaint against the wife. They would be able to send low level criminals to the right neighborhood, and to the right home, at the right time, where not only would the husband not be home, but the door would be unlocked, there would be items easily available for theft and pawning, while a 'hated woman' would be alone, hinting, but not stating, that life would be far better without her.
Understanding that someone was willing to allow his home to be vandalized was enough of an invitation. With complaints about the wife, especially the sexual complaints (which included public statements) would be enough 'hint' to let a gang know where an easy robbery would result and young gang's ruthlessness (dedication to the gang) could be tested.
That the husband remained on the driveway for 40 minutes instead of taking the call inside the house upon his arrival stands out as 'all too much' to be a coincidence. It is not known, but apparently possible, that had he gone in 40 minutes earlier, that the stopping of the bleeding, or hinderance of it, may have saved her life.
As they stated, everything taken together suggests orchestration of this crime. The details each fall into place and given his intelligence, he would have 'suggested' a good place for a gang to hit, giving the address, date and time.
They needed to hear motive. They did.
They needed to have:
1. The statistics of who does this
2. The marital relationship weighed in the negative
3. The presence of a stressor or trigger taking a negative further
4. The Behavior of the husband immediately after the murder
5. Examined the husband's intellectual ability to pull this off
6. A Secret, but powerful lie that is lived evidenced
7. Home invasions examined and factored in
They factored all of these in, with all fulfilled.
Theories
Most theories in a homicide are presented for debate; while other theories present themselves over time.
This is the latter.
All these elements factored in to produce a theory that they felt would be difficult to disprove in order to be comfortable professionally.
Some theories are presented and then examined. In this case, the theory developed naturally, with the post crime statements and behavior.
When a theory is developed naturally, we attempt to 'punch holes' in it, attempting to disprove it. They found the 'needle' consistently pushing to the left, unable to make strong arguments to the contrary.
Police, thus far, appear satisfied that they have solved the crime and that the husband is not involved.
There are those who do not have access to the information police have suspect the husband's involvement.
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It says that, but it sounds more like DB was talking to/with the leadership team. If there is a comma/pause I missed, it would be after "talkin' to US,"; not after "talkin' TO".
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I also listened to guest Clint Dupin's sermon from December, when DB advertised his "Down Low" family Christmas service. He told a cute memory of how he thought DB chose his church for an internship because it was cool, but actually it was because it was the closest church to Amanda. DB was still on stage in the camera view at that point. It was a really sweet memory that you would expect a fresh widower to have an emotional reaction to. Not Davey. No tears, no hard swallows. Nothing.
Another guest pastor Jake Baird talked about how much DB loves and cries for his congregation.
Thanks ABB. I know one time I got mad at you for being a bit feisty about one of my comments but it's so hard to communicate online vs being face to face in a group. I love your posts and feel your emotions. I agree with you about the theft of only the vital bank cards. Real thieves want to get in and out quickly. They prefer no one to be home. What is it with these guys to linger? To me it's like the were on a "job". DB wasn't away from home for long. Amazing that the bad guys managed to do what they did in the exact time DB was away from home. Then LE says DB is cleared because he was caught on surveillance at the gym during the time of the crime. That's the only reason I have heard in the media.
Ahhh, thanks for clearing that up. It's hard to get the dialect from just text sometimes. Maybe spell it a-talkin'?
During the rape/robbery prior to Amanda's murder, the suspects demanded the victim give them CASH or BANK CARDS. They wanted money, not credit cards.
Also, I don't understand why people keep insisting burglars only target places where no one is home. How do you explain the rape/robbery before Amanda's murder and their breaking into the occupied apartment the morning Amanda was killed? Clearly these three did not target only empty houses/apartmens.
Davey's advice to his peeps for dealing with media:-
You can let them know that we have extremely heavy hearts and although we are hurting tremendously, we are still hoping and believing that great things are still yet to come."
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Blackburn family support fund and spokesperson, Lauren Woolever:-
We have extremely heavy hearts and although we are hurting tremendously, we are hoping and believing that the best is still yet to come.
Squawk. Polly want a cracker?
Bad Juju said...(snipped)
Also, I don't understand why people keep insisting burglars only target places where no one is home. How do you explain the rape/robbery before Amanda's murder and their breaking into the occupied apartment the morning Amanda was killed? Clearly these three did not target only empty houses/apartmens.
January 28, 2016 at 10:34 PM
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It's really quite simple and not too difficult to understand. Most people are not "insisting", rather they are entertaining the possibility of the home being empty when the robbery goes down, that was the case earlier that morning with the neighbor's home being robbed. And this point is brought up because almost 75% of the time, the burglar's pick a home that is empty and typically will scout out the home to see if there is any secruity system in place.
It's just not a huge stretch to think the crooks would, at the very least, make sure the Blackburn home was vacant, in that they just robbed another home a few doors down. But I guess they had guts like no other human being out there, to stick around that long and then on the last house, when they've succeeded in getting away with anything and everything else, he decides to then murder an innocent, expecting, young mother of one, at 7:00 in the morning, for no apparent reason other than the whopping $400 bucks to be split three ways, at least. They could have knocked off a convenient store and gotten more. It's still a puzzle why they needled all the way back into the Blackburn subdivision for chump change.
Yes, JuJu, don't think your going to persuade any of us this was random. I know I keep repeating myself but a house 80+ houses back in a cul-de-sac at 6:45 in the am. Really? Oh yeah and the one and half hour robbery of two houses. No way. Also,I worked in the families at risk in inner city and I know first hand that these gang guys (especially the young ones) will do anything for a little money and to increase their status in the gang. (or for LT, maybe to gain access into the gang?) This was orchestrated, not sure how and not sure how far up (probably not even that high up)but I am convinced. They also know LT was a loose cannon and most likely tried to have him completely take the fall. I still think that is why all 3 were charged with murder after some time. I think the two who are in the Kilt gang set LT up to take the hit for the murder but police aren't buying it and are trying to get more information about the orchestration. The guys aren't talking so they have all been charged with murder. That is my theory at this point and I still have faith that this is a very active investigation.
Kate, it's not that I don't understand why "most" burglars would prefer an empty house. The point is that THESE GUYS broke into four homes (that we know of), and three were occupied. Three of the four WERE occupied. So 75 percent of the time, these guys pick occupied homes. And these guys obviously didn't scout ahead of time for security systems, because they were caught on video at two of the three homes (the apartment and the empty house) broke into the morning Amanda was murdered (not to mention the other cameras in the neighborhood). What other burglars do or don't do doesn't mean much when we have solid evidence showing what THESE GUYS do and don't do.
You mention that one of the homes they broke into that morning was empty but ignore the fact that the apartment they broke into that morning WAS occupied. Why?
And you're right ... $400 is chump change for a hired hit. Almost seems silly for them to risk life in prison (or worse) for that. And I guess they needled all the way to the back of the neighborhood for chump change for the same reason they left Alonzo's and needled even further back into his apartment complex for even less than chump change.
Bingo, your argument about setting up LT for the fall makes no sense. Both Taylor and Watson were charged immediately. How does Gordon being charged a little later indicate Gordon and Watson were setting up LT? Why on earth would they have gone back to get him if that was the case? Because Alonzo told them to (according to the cooperating individual)? So if Alonzo was calling the shots, then it wasn't Gordon and Watson doing the "setting up," right?
I don't need "any of you" to be convinced this was random. But when people make invalid arguments, I will point it out. And my points from last night stand:
1. These guys clearly do not care if the homes they break into are occupied; and
2. During a previous rape/robbery they asked for cash/bank cards (she had neither, so they didn't even get chump change), so it is not a valid argument to say that because they only took Amanda's bank cards, that indicates Amanda's death was a hit ... unless you want to argue that rape/robbery was also some kind of "hit."
Isn't it funny how quickly they were in and out of the first "occupied" robbery (swiftly rob and get a car!) They then drive all the way to DB subdivision ( and all the way to the back of the subdivision) and loiter around two houses for an hour and half at 6:45 am. JuJu, can't you see just how we can't logically believe it to make sense like you do?
Zero percent of the homes invaded were occupied by a man.
And we know from the rape earlier in the month that the boyfriend coming home later was mentioned by the perps.
JuJu, no offense meant, but I guess some will be taken anyhow and I'll be mincemeat; however, I am becoming more and more convinced that something is wrong with you. Where is your thinking cap? You DO have one. This crime at Blackburns' couldn't have been more of a set up than if Davey had stood outside the front door and held it open for the culprits to enter. You have eyes, you can read and you have a mind. Use them. They ARE in working order, aren't they? Open them.
Forgive me for saying so, but you aren't even trying to see what went on at Amanda's home that morning, or how the evidence was concealed afterwards either, beginning even before the 911 call requesting assistance for an 'injury' was made deliberately instead of calling for LE. And so much more. Why is this? ABB
The first home that morning was in an area familiar to them. Main acquisition, the car. They used the car to reach the second home. This may have been their main target, and their reason for wanting the car. Then the logic bifurcates:
1) They may have sat in the second home, chilling, because they had achieved their goal, finished their night's work. Then by chance as they were ready to leave, they heard/saw the nearby vehicle drive off and LT went over to try the front door.
or 2) Blackburn's house was their main target, they sat around in the neighbor's empty house waiting for him to leave.
If 1) is true, then why did LT shoot AB 3 times as well as hitting her with his gun? If AB lunged at LT, why didn't the blow and the first 2 shot suffice for him to take control?
Possible answers - if LT had already killed one man in a holdup and raped a woman during a robbery when told not to, then it makes sense he'd probably want to kill AB to eliminate her as a witness who could ID him. He quoted as saying he can't remember anything because he was "messed up." This might explain why he took 3 shots. Messed up or not, his tendency to do harm may have been fully operative.
If 2) is true, why didn't LT do the job fast, take the debit card to make it look like a robbery, and get out of there with the others ASAP?
In other words, I think it's more important to ask, do hired killers hang around (as LT did in the Blackburn's house) rather than, do home invaders hang around (as all 3 did earlier in the neighbor's house).
I think it's important to ask why an organized gang would send someone so "messed up" to burgle a place?
These guys were clearly organized. It doesn't make sense that you would be totally wasted during 'work' hours. Crime first, high later.
Unless they didn't want him to remember anything. Get the new guy wasted, then send him in to the crime scene to take the fall.
THAT makes sense.
Good points, Rosy.
IMO, no, hired hitmen don't fart around the neighborhood, roaming up and down the street (on camera), hanging around drinking and leaving bottles (prints, DNA) in the house where they've already been caught on camera, driving in and out and back in ... in a stolen car, no less, that has been missing plenty long enough to have been reported stolen. I can't help but scoff at the idea.
Respectfully, Bobcat, what did these guys do that indicates to you that they're "clearly organized"?
The first robbery, where they actually took stuff and had a separate vehicle to cart stuff away.
That the driver didn't want to go back, but then did go and pick up LT because he was told to.
They had a boss, and they followed their orders.
That's how I know they were 'organized' by a superior.
Bobcat,
From the Affidavit, they got wasted at the neighbor's house. Drank her booze. That fits with hypothesis 1) - ransacked her house, loaded their vehicle, then sat in her house drinking her booze, plus indulging in whatever smokes or pills they carried with them. Chilling, because they had achieved their goal (until they noticed DB drive off and LT went off script).
LT was a wild card but not such a "new guy." Unlike the other two, he had already committed a murder and a rape in course or robbery.
Another possibility is that they lounged about at the neighbor's house waiting for her to come home, with the aim of robbing her of any cash or cards she carried in her purse or wallet (and getting the pin #s from her).
Last week 2 guys pushed into an older woman's home at 7.15 in the evening claiming they were doing a lightening rod wire inspection. They walked around inside her house "looking for wires," asked her for $10 to cover it, then grabbed her purse, containing check book, credit cards and $1,500 cash. They also took a bottle of prescription painkillers.
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/01/26/lightning-rod-inspectors-rob-johnson-county-woman/79346336/
Experienced investigators recently reported that there is "no way" all of this was coincidental, but that it would be "extremely difficult" to prove a connection unless a gang member does what gang members do not do: barter away their life by talking.
It is just not worth it. They become marked and hated by all, making even a shorter prison sentence not worth it.
Rosy,
I don't think expensive professional hit men OR hired home invaders hang around.
DB couldn't afford real pros.
I think low-level fall guys do what they are told:
Wait in the neighbors house until DB leaves for the gym.
Do the hit on Amanda & watch her bleed while guys drive around to ATMs.
LT waited around for his driver to obey the order to pick him up.
Thanks for chiming in Peter.
I doubt anyone will talk.
I am going to just have to accept it and get on with my life.
My main issue with the idea that gang members never snitch is that one has already snitched (one that we know of, anyway). Alonzo told the cops the three suspects had been at his house and that one was wearing his jacket when they left (the hoodie caught on video). Alonzo's girlfriend even gave the cops the gun the suspects left under her bed. But neither Alonzo nor his girlfriend seem to be living in fear of reprisal.
Also, this gang isn't like the Bloods or Crips, as far as I can tell. They seem like they're just a small, ragtag group of scumballs.
I'd love to know if the "cooperating individual" is also a member of the gang. That person spilled all the beans.
If death penalty is involved will they talk?
I agree that most likely none of these thugs will talk but I am not convinced that investigators are not going to work this case at all angles. If Davey is evil enough to have his wife and unborn baby killed, there is no telling what else is going on in his life. Davey will hang himself. He will do something to blow the case wide open. There are so many people across the nation that are convinced of his guilt and instead of complimenting his brave faith on twitter and youtube, they are calling him out and questioning his actions. His church is not blowing up like he thought it would, the revival of epic proportions is not happening, people don't believe him... I think he will break soon!
peter have you seen this?
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/01/29/daily-mail-articles-blocked-in-sweden-over-migrant-stabbing-court-case/
how can sweden even keep track enough to block articles?
holy 56%^&*( this is like science fiction conspiracy nonsense!!!!!!
That first sentence made no sense! Ha! I am so tired. I just meant I believe the police are not waiting solely for the thugs to talk. They have other ways to pursue this investigation and I think Davey will show himself to be the sociopath most of us believe him to be.
David James Blackburn,
As long as you record and broadcast, I will transcribe your words. I have been listening and transcribing for more years than you have been 'preaching.'
When you were still a child, I transcribed a recorded psychiatric session in which a boy said "my daddy hurt me." I heard this statement on tape, even when the parent and psychiatrist present in the room hadn't caught it when the boy said it.
If you want me to stop transcribing, stop recording yourself.
Go and do your penance, and may God have mercy on your soul.
CD is very interested in organisational structures. In particular he mentions being interested in biblical references to forming and mobilising armies. (Worship as a weapon)
He gives advice to Kenneth Wagners minions about ways to control groups of people. (Care commitment communication video)
He appears to admire companies like Starbucks's business models.
Newspring and Reasonate seem to be based on a type of pyramid scheme.
Even the game of "Risk" that he played as a child involved strategies.
My point is, I think it's entirely possible that CD shared some of his business knowledge of organisational structure with a gang leader, (is a gang really so different from a religious or business organisation?) in exchange for something, ie Amanda murder.
This idea also allows for the players at the coal face, Larry Taylor etc, to be unaware of the origin and reason for their "orders"; in the same way that a shop assistant has no idea about the machinations of his/ her CEO, in the same way a soldier has no idea about the machinations of his/her Major General. The chain of command, so to speak, is long enough and convoluted enough, to obfuscate the orchestration of an act. even murder.
Armies, businesses and churches (and gangs) also employ the "importance of loyalty" tactic on their members.
What do you think? Maybe just send the script to Hollywood?
"The end justify the means."
Niccolo Machiavelli
Watch out, Bobcat,
Meg will have that painted on a board by morning!
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Anon @ 10:15,
DB certainly has his brand minions trained well. They repeat this mantra so often on stage, it's creepy:
"Here at Resonate Church We'll do Whatever It Takes to connect people to life change."
Here's my new motto for DB aka Machiavelli:
Whatever it Takes...The Ends Justify the Means
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I really have to step back, but I transcribed one more short statement from November 15. I think it is Derek Barrett introducing Kenneth Wagner and describing he and DB’s relationship at 5 minutes:
"This is a guy, who, um… man, he goes to WAR FOR Davey, and he goes to WAR WITH Davey. That’s the kind of friend that he is, and, um, and they’ve been doing that together for the past few years."
War???
Bottlecap, your post to me on 1/28 @6:09 pm, I want to thank you for posting the link for me. I'm sorry I couldn't get back to you before now and apologize. I was able to click it on because of the way you posted it and thank you very much! Kate was right, it was interesting; however, still doesn't give any credence to any supposed grief felt by Davey as there wasn't any. Just dull words. It also doesn't excuse the lack of investigating him by LE. Oh well... But thanks! ABB
Kate, I agree with your post of 1/28 at 9:54 am, they did all seem antsy-pantsy to move on with Amanda's death when she wasn't even legally dead yet, just on life support keeping her organs alive for transplantation; and of course, Davey was singing and dancing around the mulberry bush rejoicing that he was rid of her as soon as his worshipers left. IMO, she was already medically dead by the time she reached the hospital that morning. Davey made SURE of this before LE came in.
I guess he DID think that for him the best was yet to come. 'Glory be to God', 'eh? Sickos, all. These people make me sick 'the best is yet to come' when the best was dead and carried a new and precious life with her!!! It's almost as if they were praising and thanking satan. Puke on them all who rejoiced at Amanda's leaving this life in horror. And I mean ALL. ABB
I've said before and I'll say again; I hope preacher Nobel is feeling his share of guilt over what happened to poor sweet Amanda. He knew Davey wasn't fit to lead a pastorship; he knew Davey was crazy when he appointed him to establish a new church up in Indy, but only with Amanda by his side, whom he trusted to stand firm and remain stable through think and thin; but he KNEW what he was dealing with in Davey and it was DAVEY who was appointed to lead, not Amanda. He must have wanted rid of Davey BAD to justify setting him up with $100K just to get him out of town.
He had years of experience with Davey and he HAD to know that Davey was flying by the seat of his pants and incapable of leading ANYTHING or anybody. He laid all this responsibility on her to make it work. I hope he has suffered for the position he put this poor girl in (at no salary!!!) just to get Davey out of his hair and out of his church. HE is the one who shoved Davey off to do a job he KNEW he couldn't do. SOOOo willing to set Amanda up to do what he couldn't do; use the little woman to do it.
I wondered why it was HE who gave and paid for Amanda's funeral, but that's not hard to see. GUILT! It actually WAS his responsibility. She had a family who could have given her funeral, as well as Davey's family who could have; easily between these two well-known families with their own congregations, there would have been no cause for concern for the costs even if Davey had no life insurance on Amanda. Passing the collection plate around just once would have taken care of it.
I was hoping Davey had a nice policy on her life and when he applied for the pay-out benefit their company investigators would investigate Amanda's death; they would have sense enough to see that HE engineered her murder. I guess we won't be rewarded with better (AND more ethical and honest) minds than the INDY LE to investigate and enlighten us. AND prosecute the low-life murdering b'stard.
Guess he'll have to kill again before anyone does anything, and I don't doubt that he will. He got away with this one, didn't he? And his weak-minded minions still love and adore him, right? He got away with every rotten thing he ever did in his whole life, even trifling with God, right? He has bolstered himself to the heavens with none the wiser. Ha...! But the rainbow dude preacher Nobel knows. ABB
Anon @10:15. Great post and I totally agree with it and the orchestration/biz model. DB is also obsessed with wealth and power. I thought it was funny on his so-called Chicago love trip, he didn't post a pic of he and Amanda. Instead he posted a Trump building and said something like Trump knows how to build them. Also, on that trip, why did he feel the need to do the video in the train station? Because he wanted to look like he was so busy and in such demand, that he had to film the Q & A while on a romantic getaway. Whatever. Your Sunday School class could have waited until after your trip to hear you babble. Why make your wife sit there and answer questions? That poor girl. She really looked worn out during that video. He acts so full of himself with all that lip smacking and that every thing coming out of his mouth was so, so important. Gag me.
I know he is just giddy about getting back on that stage tomorrow. I am sure he has been tossing back Starbucks and scribbling like a mad man. Will he discuss more scenes from Final Destination movies? Will he be talking about people getting capped? Maybe a litte about putting a glock in someone's head? Maybe about people getting worked out? Only time will tell!!
Concerned, re your post @ 11:17, thanks. What is this little Donae Mitchell, all of seventeen, with a baby and supposedly married to one of the gang members? Needing and begging for weed, like she's got good sense, and claiming to be a Christian on top of it? NOT. Maybe her conscience will take hold eventually. Or maybe a good PI could pry out of her what she knows in exchange for a little weed!
Not saying that maybe she didn't have some kind of experience with the holy spirit, people do all the time, so maybe she did. I was hoping that either she or some other outsider known to the gang might spill their guts on what really happened to Amanda, sooner or later. I still hope they do. One of the gang is bound to tell their secrets to someone else confidentially in time, if they haven't already.
The thing is, if their confidant turns out to be another incarcerated jail bird it won't do any good, or if they spill their guts over the phone to their confidant this won't do any good either. All jail calls are monitored and many conversations are redacted or deleted. It happens all the time when LE has bungled a case or is deliberately covering up vital info that would shatter their credibility and expose their own dirty works. It happens folks. I've personally seen it in action. Like they say, "you can't beat city hall." You really can't once the wheel starts turning. In this case it started turning for Davey Blackburn the moment Amanda was murdered.
Don't despair Bobcat, there isn't anything we can do. There isn't anything anyone can do unless Amanda's family were to get suspicious and hire a private detective to do some snooping into Davey; even then most of the vital evidence has been lost (beginning with Davey's cell phone records) and they would have one hell uv a time coming up with anything concrete. So far they haven't and I don't expect them to do it now either. They seem perfectly content to let the whole matter drop and were from the beginning, not even stopping to think the danger Weston might be in, and is. It's not that Davey's so smart, it is that they are so stupid. ABB
Good post Bingo @9:27. I couldn't agree more, also agree with Anon @10:15. The shame of it all. The f'ken trip to Chicago wasn't even necessary, NOR could they afford it and Amanda knew they couldn't, just as he did, with all his braggart bloviating, grinning and flexing his muscles. All videoed for his future plans.
She was helpless to his whims and demands. Yes, she was beat down. Poor girl, she had more worries on her little shoulders than we will ever know. I feel so bad for her. She never had a chance; her short days were numbered. By Davey. ABB
Good posts from last night and yesterday. Glad to see Peter stepped in and gave us another opinion.
Pak, thank you for your kind post to me. The former thing that happened between us was all my fault and I knew that as soon as I did it. I tried to make it up to you a few times when it happened but I could see that you were still angry so I had to let it go. But it WAS my fault and I really was (and am) sorry. TKX for your forgiveness. Glad we were able to go on.... Wishing you well, ABB
Anonymous said...
Kate, I agree with your post of 1/28 at 9:54 am, they did all seem antsy-pantsy to move on with Amanda's death when she wasn't even legally dead yet, just on life support keeping her organs alive for transplantation; and of course, Davey was singing and dancing around the mulberry bush rejoicing that he was rid of her as soon as his worshipers left. IMO, she was already medically dead by the time she reached the hospital that morning. Davey made SURE of this before LE came in.
I guess he DID think that for him the best was yet to come. 'Glory be to God', 'eh? Sickos, all. These people make me sick 'the best is yet to come' when the best was dead and carried a new and precious life with her!!! It's almost as if they were praising and thanking satan. Puke on them all who rejoiced at Amanda's leaving this life in horror. And I mean ALL. ABB
January 30, 2016 at 7:45 AM
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ABB, it was Converse who really struck me as odd. He's the one who talked about the dog coming out and licking them. His behavior was beyond strange and anyone with an ounce of common sense could blatantly see how disturbed they all were. In fact, several times they had to interrupt and say how "mad" and "upset" they are, offering up excuses as to why they are stumbling through their words and acting a bit bizarre. It was a freak show, no matter if they knew Davey was involved or not, I've never seen a presser so full of troubled men who appeared to be so thrown that they could barely speak. Also, always have to preface that I am not a feminist, but not a woman standing at the presser - all men. Does that make a difference? Probably not, but worthy of taking note with regards for Amanda.
I guess I've concluded that this will end up like the Casey Anthony case, he'll get away with murder. If in 10 or 20 years someone asks you about the Blackburn case, what's the reason you would give as to Davey getting away with it?
Casey Anthony at least tried. She ran the cops all over the place, lied to the cops, lied to her parents, etc. etc. Davey didn't even have to try, smh.
Kate, I do remember the Converse comments about the dog coming up and licking him, but not sure if I ever saw the presser you are referring to above. I don't think I did. I believe I would have remembered there not being any women LE on the scene; also would have paid attention to their comments about the scene they found. Were there no women on hand with the Fire Rescue unit/EMT's either? Amanda was found with her nakedness exposed and helpless; why were there no woman there? Sickening. Hey, I'm no feminist either but we shouldn't have to say the obvious!
My first impact was the realizing that there could be NO WAY Davey Blackburn could not see that his wife had been shot three times and had a front teeth knocked out. Just NO WAY he could imply that she had fallen knocking over a ladder and a planter (truth be known, he probably staged them HIMSELF), with her lying there DYING in the position he claimed he found her in; AND the clear cut evidence that she had been attacked with personal items left in view I despise this b'stard. I do. I want him locked up SO BAD. If I could facilitate it myself I would. ABB
(P.S. You don't want to get me started on the Casey Anthony case! She was not the only one who got away with crimes in baby Caylee's murder, so did Geo & Cindy).
I still don't think he will get away with it but I do hate seeing him running around tossing out verses and actually getting to be a father. He took AB chance away to be a mother to Weston. That is what burns me the most. I do really appreciate Watchkeep and many others that continue to challenge him and expose him on twitter. If he gets to be free, at least they are making his life a bit uncomfortable. When he actually posted a picture of Amanda (for the first time since the murder) there was a lady that responded about how he needs someone to hold him and comfort him. I love that another twitter follower commented, "He would have that in his wife if he hadn't murdered her." I don't think in his big, narcissistic head of his, he ever thought anyone would question a preacher who tells us it is all ok, that she died for the church. It is all good!! But so many are questioning him and it has to make him a bit uncomfortable.
This is totally disgusting to me Bingo, that anyone would say that Davey needs someone to hold and comfort him! J.E.S.U.S. C.H.R.I.S.T. What the low-life b'stard needs is beat down with a 2 x 4 that has nails sticking out of it and kicked in the head until he slowly bleeds to death. If nothing else, STOP him from blaspheming the Holy Word and the only light we have in this dark place.
No, as a Christian, I'm not supposed to think like this, much less say it; but let's be honest, I haven't been elevated to sainthood status yet and may never be, although I do plenty of praying, and more praying; and Jesus DOES know my thoughts and the intentions of my heart. Thank God he does. Believe it or not, He answers me letting me know He hears my prayers. He is my only comfort. I am so grateful!
Can you tell me, how would I link into the Watchkeep blog site you are referring too, or get linked up with Twitter? I am not computer savvy at all. TKX! ABB
Bobcat, I feel bad for you this morning. I am sorry you are so caught up in this, and how disappointing it is to you to know that Davey isn't even being investigated for his part in Amanda's gruesome and tormenting murder and very likely won't be. I share in those feelings, it is SO sad.
He isn't the first one who has gotten away with the murder of their innocent victim and I'm sorry to say, won't be the last. We've seen it happen repeatedly right here on this thread. We have to go on Bobcat; there WILL be a day of redemption and a day of judgment. That's all we know for sure. We just have to wait, it's coming, even if not in this life.
Personally, I do not want to see the guilty being punished in God's wrath, or those whose names are not found written in The Lamb's Book of Life. It is going to be an awful time, beyond the scope of mans' intelligence. I don't want to see it. The Bible and God's Holy Word has not lied to us. Pity them. It troubles me to even think on it. xx00xx... ABB
Kate,
"I guess I've concluded that this will end up like the Casey Anthony case, he'll get away with murder. If in 10 or 20 years someone asks you about the Blackburn case, what's the reason you would give as to Davey getting away with it?"
Detailed planning and no direct evidence.
Thanks for your concern ABB. Eventually my thoughts will refocus on other things.
This reminds of the time I spent researching Deborah Bradley after baby Lisa disappeared. What a convoluted family tree she has - and you'd never know - but direct family ties to very evil criminal men. Killing is in her blood. Women in her family die young and are probably happy to be free from the hellish men around them. I know baby Lisa is safe now.
What bothers me more about Davey are his delusions and verbal powers he has over weaker-minded minions. He wants to be a religious superstar, whereas Deborah just wants to stay drunk.
In regard to bad juju saying that people are insisting that burglars break into homes with no one home.....I have said this before but I don't mean it to be every burglar. Just that MOST want to get in and out as quickly as possible. The experienced and professionals I guess. These guys aren't pros. But I would think that it would just be easier for burglars to do their work with no interruptions. That means, no one home, no dogs and going to homes that are out of sight. I honestly don't know what happened that day so I'm just guessing but if AB was targeted that day, who's to say that they weren't instructed to go to the homes that they went to in order to take suspicion off DB? Remember when they broke into the home with the woman showering? They could have left but they stayed. Then when the one guy attacked her, the other one kept telling him to stop. That's not what they were there for. Why would he care if the other guy did that to her? It could be totally believable to me personally that these robberies were not random. They went to the specific homes they did on purpose with DBs house being the last stop. They broke into all the other homes but when they get to DBs he coincidentally just left and did they go to the back? No. They walked right into the front door. The dog was conveniently locked away. What transpired then I don't know. Was Amanda upstairs or in the bedrooms and heard them and then walked in on them? I don't know. They obviously beat her and knocked her down. Then the other guys left and the one finished her off. It's morbid to say but did they NEED to kill her? They didn't kill the other lady and it was the same type of situation. Then they leave and ironically DB comes home. Yet he stays outside for a very long time. Not normal. Then entering his home he doesn't realize his wife has been seriously injured. AMAZING. I just can't wrap my mind around that. She just happened to be attacked and killed during the exact time DB was away. Coincidence? Not in my eyes.
ABB:
https://twitter.com/watchkeep
http://watchkeep.blogspot.com/
ABB - No, I meant no females in the presser - meaning no higher ups were females, all males. I'm not sure if there were female LED on scene or not, I will have to look into that.
Bobcat - Great answer, I'll definitely be using that, thank you.
BottleCap; thank you THANK YOU for posting the two links. The way you have posted them should be easy for me to link into; just want you to know how much I appreciate this. I definitely plan to stay linked into this case, however I can as I remain totally convinced that Davey orchestrated Amanda's murder, from beginning to end. IMO, there isn't one aspect of this case that doesn't lead straight to Davey Blackburn.
I'm aware that there isn't one thing we can do to facilitate an investigation of him or in causing him to be prosecuted; no one ever paid any attention to us bloggers in all the other cases we have explored, certainly not to the extent of prosecuting any of the murderers and perjurers we knew were guilty and who got away with their crimes, so I don't expect us to have an influence on this case either.
I'm just hoping to remain on the sidelines, throwing my two-cents worth in wherever I can; and live long enough to see him brought down for having Amanda murdered, in addition to very likely causing some of her injuries himself, and this will be soothing enough to me for our knowing what he did to her that IndyLE should have known all along and investigated, but ignored.
Not only that, but to know that he has been removed from having any further influence over weak troubled souls who are following him and his convoluted twisting of the Holy Word callously to the pit is another angle that bothers me greatly. I pray to see an end to this in my lifetime, which is a far-fetched idea I'm sure, nonetheless I hope. God bless, and thank you again for the links. ABB
Kate, ref your post @ll:30; I was aware that you were referring to the presser in your observations that no female LE was present; I'm sorry, I guess I just didn't explain myself very well. It should have been in my questions concerning whether any female EMT's from the Fire Dept or Indy LE were on hand when Amanda was first viewed and examined, but I did not make this clear; aqain I apologize.
As I mentioned, like you; I am no feminist either, although I have had my days at the podium in their/our support back in the bra-burner days when we were pushing for more federally employed women, which was a travesty if there ever was one. I was secretary to FEW (Federally Employed Women) back then; we won.
However, the fact is that I have had more men employed for me than I ever had women (not in a federal job capacity) in my own business; also more male business owner/clients than I ever had women, not by design, but this is just the way it worked out. I've had very good working relationships with men in the work force so by no means am I a feminist. I DO however, see 'our place' where necessary and will stand up and be counted in our defense. Thanks for the correction! ABB
I know at this point we are just repeating ourselves but I did go back and look at the timeline once more because it had been a while. I thought maybe it isn't as obvious as I remember it. BUT it is! Guys, if they policemen don't find it obvious, I give up. They have to know. The thugs leave their apt, rob an apt 4 minutes away, steal a car, drive 30 minutes to Sunnyfield Court, stay there for 2 hours and head back home. Paaalease, not even getting into it just happened to be the time he was at the gym, sitting in the driveway and calling 911 right after his neighbor did. Ya'll! Come ON! Then the giddy interviews for the next week on tv. I just think LE has to be building a case. I have to think also Davey will snap because he had his beautiful bride killed and his church will not only NOT grow, it will dwindle more. OR some family member will catch on (or already has) and hire a PI. I guess it just makes me feel better to write this but I really do believe!! This is not over.
Pak, it may not be easy for me to explain this but I'll give it a go. My conclusion that Davey was involved in Amanda's murder was never based on the activities of the burglerers, not per'se, but was based entirely on my focus on Davey Blackburn.
Yes, I did consider their actions and movements that morning as they were/are a vital part of how this went down, but not as to WHO they were or any eventual statements made by any of them to LE, or whose directions at the top they may be protecting. I left all of the research of them up to others here who are more knowledgeable and computer savvy than I am in doing this type of research, and whatever they posted I read. They did a fantastic job.
However, in the final analysis; You see, it doesn't matter who the thugs are or what they did or said, as #1) this same 'easy' crime could have been committed by any other group of small time thugs and #2) you can't believe anything a criminal thug says as they are all liars. LIARS to the impth degree. So right there I ruled out any focus on THEM per'se, only remaining aware of their comings and goings.
Ruling out any focus on them and sticking close with my focus on Davey and HIS actions and words that day, prior to that day, and the days since Amanda's murder; it couldn't be any other way than HIS involvement in the orchestration of Amanda's murder; entirely, from beginning to end, and quite likely with him disabling Amanda before he ever left for his gym flex-out that morning: HE set this up. Every deceit, lie, scheme, device and calculation was set in motion by HIM. It's as simple as that. Unfortunately, he is STILL carrying the ball to the finish line.
I will remain in this fixation until the end of time, UNLESS by some stroke of magic or God himself reveals otherwise, and I don't think this will happen. ABB
Bingo3,
We know Amanda's murder wasn't a coincidence, but it was so carefully planned that someone, or maybe more than one person, will have to talk. These are the kind of people who won't talk, and the fall guy LT was intentionally drugged to the point that his memories are "messed up".
But DB knows we are watching and listening.
It's tragic how little he valued Amanda compared to how much he values what his minions do for him.
This morning, he is emotionally moved by their fawning.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBNJev8B4OL/
There ya go Bingo3. BINGO! (Is three your lucky number)...?
I'm with you all the way. And because you are so high in holding onto your hopes, against all the odds; I will try to keep the faith in that same direction, although I can tell you right now, LE has done nothing to investigate Davey other than let him get away with destroying all of the evidence that might have helped to nail him;
HOWEVER, just for you, I will TRY to think they are doing something we don't know about. SOMEHOW this fool needs to be brought to justice before he kills again. ABB
OMG Bobcat, I'm not sure I could watch him this morning even if I could click the link on. There is only so much of this fool I can take. The sick S.O.a B. ABB
Can't believe it. Somehow, don't ask me how, but I was able to click onto the link above after many tries. Couldn't believe my eyes, how these dummies are praising and worshipping their Davey on Twitter as if he were some kind of god; and him lapping it up OH so emotionally over some pitiful puny little continental breakfast they set up for him. And some want to find an excuse for him not showing any grief for Amanda, claiming that he is unable to show his emotions? BUUUUUllshyt. I tell ya folks, it IS sickening. ABB
This morning, he is emotionally moved by their fawning.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBNJev8B4OL/
Bobcat, I saw that this morning and it made me sick to my stomach. DB saying "I hope I can hold myself together." GAG ME! If you can giddily talk to ABC the morning after you buried your wife, I am almost positive you will pull yourself this morning. Not just pull yourself together but enjoy every last second of being back in front of a crowd spitting out nonsensical garbage that you think will be the most important thing anyone has ever said in the history of America.
Bobcat ... Larry Taylor's memories aren't "messed up." He was trying to pull a Jodi Arias "fog" defense on that one. Problem is, right after telling investigators he couldn't remember because he was too messed up, he said he remembered that he stayed in the car the whole time until they dropped him off at 56th and Guion. So he didn't remember, but then he remembered. He's a liar.
Also, there's no evidence whatsoever that Taylor was "intentionality drugged." Nothing. Judging by their sm pics, these guys voluntarily enjoyed a number of substances ... no force necessary. I don't buy the "poor rapist/murderer Larry was drugged and set up" theory.
BJJ,
OK, so maybe LT does remember, but I doubt he will talk.
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DB's quote this morning:
"I serve with the most amazing people on planet earth."
Hyperbole much? I wonder if he thanked anyone in person.
Regarding the Instagram photo this morning with the coffee, and fawning over staff....MG seems to be taking a more active roll in the church.
megsgriff@myrashelt come visit us!! Email us at hello@resonateindy.com if we can answer any questions!!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBNJev8B4OL/
I found this article on narcissism and the addiction to narcissistic supply to be VERY interesting!
http://narcissisticbehavior.net/narcissism-and-the-addiction-to-narcissistic-supply/
I've read a few books about people's experiences with the afterlife. People who supposedly died and witnessed heaven. They DO claim that it's a beautiful place and that when they were there they didn't want to come back to earth. I'm not saying these stories were true or not. But just that most of them said that dying isn't as bad as you think and that getting to the afterlife is the ultimate goal. So I can understand how DB says that he's ok because AB is in a better place. I guess if you are that confident and truly believe in God, that even the most horrific thing that occurs to a person on earth, their soul is safe and goes to God. I believe in that. I feel the way DB does BUT I am still in my human form and if my husband was taken from me suddenly, I'd be devistated. YES I'd believe that he would be in heaven but the human side of me would still be emotional. Sad, angry, etc. It's like DB and his followers have no problem with people dying because they go to heaven. Maybe I haven't been able to get to the point they are having total faith. I know when some older people die and I go to wakes, we are there talking about the good times. You'd think that there has to be a sad and mourning time in between death and celebrating that life. DB was not human in the way he mourned for AB. So he's either guilty in her death or a complete narcissist. I don't understand why his followers don't see through him.
A green room. Who the f*** does he think he is?
Ooooooh! ooooooh oooooh!
"They've created a green room for me with notes and all my favorite things. How am I supposed to keep my composure together and preach after this!!?? 😭😭
Dunno Davey. How'd you keep your composure and preach after the brutal murder of your pregnant wife, you sociopath?
Where were all you f***ing 😭😭's then?
I know Anon!! Green room?? What in the world? He is such a narcissistic sociopath!! Also, I want to read the article Pak. Not had time today but there are so many new things today to explore! The green room by the way was completely set up by Meg! Maybe the Nothing is Wasted sign gave it away for me!
Good old Meg. She knows all of CD's "favourite things" and can preempt what "notes" he will need, and supplies them without being asked.
I had to laugh at this gem from Concerned the other day about the "ends justify the means" quote:
Concerned said...
Watch out, Bobcat,
Meg will have that painted on a board by morning!
Check Etsy!
January 29, 2016 at 11:14 PM
Pak31
"So he's either guilty in her death or a complete narcissist."
I think both. Amanda wasn't serving his needs for narcissistic supply, so she had to go.
Meg knows what DB needs for narcissistic supply and is happy to arrange.
Police said he attempted to conceal his face from neighbors as he entered the home. http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/11/16/impd-withholding-video-suspect-amanda-blackburn-killing/75869730/
I've never understood this. Why did no one call 911? This neighborhood prides themselves on how close they are and the fact that they had a neighborhood crimewatch in place. Guess that's just normal activity for them on an early Tuesday morning. I don't know my neighbor's half as well, but if I saw a man walking in the neighborhood, trying to shield his face from me or anyone else, absolutely I'd be calling 911. None of these neighbor's speak of guilt, I have to wonder how many neighbor's saw this activity taking place. Was Ryan McConnell one of them?
At this point I know Davey isn't going to be arrested, but I would like to get some answers about what the hell went on in that neighborhood and the home that morning.
Pak, darlin, you can have total faith and still grieve. Never, ever think that because you don't "celebrate death" like some others that you are somehow lacking in faith. <3
And it's different when older folks die. Amanda had a lot of life ahead of her.
Your reaction to death is normal, but Davey's is not.
http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/61418p
"I watched her as she sleep-trained that little baby and put him on the most perfect schedule. I watched her as she spanked his little hand and said 'no' in a stern yet loving way that taught him right from wrong."
https://www.facebook.com/amber.b.wilkinson/videos/10208201759423447/
"Most Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians, believe that God inspired the authors of the Bible to write material which is inerrant - free of error. This leads many of them to feel that the [seven Bible verses that may relate to the spanking of children] place upon them a religious obligation to physically punish rebellious children."
Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family, Reference Guide,: "There is no excuse for spanking babies or children younger than 15 to 18 months of age."
Family Research Council position: "Spanking should be restricted to a range of ages. It 'is inappropriate before 15 months of age and is usually not necessary until after 18 months.'"
http://www.religioustolerance.org/spankin3.htm
Me, too, Anon - it was a gem.
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I finally steeled myself to watch Perry Noble, but nineteen minutes in I had to switch to the audio version as the sight of him prancing round dressed in kids' clothes whilst trying to hold in his paunch, and wearing that undignified back to front baseball cap, was all too much. If I met him on the street I'd assume he had special needs - I'd be concerned he was out alone without his carer (or 'white' Lucretia) - why does he think anyone should mind or be informed of his wife's skin colour? Says something about his own attitude, that he doesn't want anyone to think his wife and child might be black, and he's assuming the audience share his attitude, and implying that they should. His saying that also tells us there are no respectable people who are black at Resonate, much less any unloveable criminal gang members trying to turn their lives around etc.-intended or not, it also creates the impression that they would not be welcome.
I found Davey's embarrassing introduction, and Perry Noble's discomfort at it, entertaining. Perry Noble in that get-up as a 'once in a lifetime experience' sounds good to me. I'm still only nineteen minutes in as I paused the audio to write this, and to remark that I'm not surprised that the subject is Job - I expected that to come next from Davey, but Perry Noble is doing it for him. Some things are so predictable - but if he!s trying to draw a correlation between Job and Davey, well, that's off, as Job was afflicted and grieved, whilst Davey appears to be celebrating his loss and Amanda's death under the guise of celebrating her life. They don't do dignity or respect, or even much self-respect, at Resonate or NewSpring, it seems.
Perry Noble likes to boast about his wealth - I'd give him a valuable tip for free - if he wants to look younger, he could invest some of his wealth in a visit to a good outfitters, and a classy tailor, and treat himself to some decent age-appropriate clothes. Dressing too young, or sloppy, is as ageing on a man as it is on a woman, whereas smart and smart casual is flattering and helpful rather than ageing. Whoever said he's maybe having a mid-life crisis, I wonder that, too - also, what world does he live in that he can dress like that and feel comfortable - one in which he doesn't need to meet anyone who doesn't worship him or who might suggest it's time for a new grown-up wardrobe. Cringe-making - what's White Lucretia thinking, letting him out of the mansion dressed like that? Past a certain point, it's maybe easier just to give up and let people think someone does have special needs... Normally, I don't comment negatively on a person's dress sense, or even take much notice - it's bad form, but he does seem to be asking for it.
Statement Analysis overrun by the fashion police - maybe that's it, crafty NewSpring and Resonate distraction techniques to draw attention away from the non-edifying sermons. Lol. Well, I will listen to the rest of it - I was hoping to find Davey's return to ministry sermon, but it isn't up yet.
I sure enjoy your posts, Hey Jude. Bless your heart for listening to those dopes so we don't have to.
Special needs and white Lucretia, you are hilarious!
Keep 'em coming, please!
WEll. In the first place the room is not green. Green? Where is it green? Or am I going blind?
But the thing that really bothers me is the mindless saying "Nothing is Wasted." I just cannot wrap any good sense around this. What in hell does it mean, Nothing is Wasted? Every time I turn around, here it is; nothing is wasted. The hell it isn't. Even a bite taken from a donut and the rest thrown out is wasted.
The lives lost in wars, ALL WASTED LIVES. Suffering vets returning from war, limbs lost, bodies mangled, brains damaged; never to be useful to themselves and their families again, wasted. God, how disgusting to say, nothing is wasted. FOOLS.
If you whittle a little stick, the scraps are wasted. You pitch them, right? Wasted. If you throw your leftover food particles into the garbage, the left overs were wasted, okay? You cut out a garment from fabric and the little unused pieces are wasted, and so on and on and on. An empty aerosol can, tossed, wasted. A plastic bottle tossed into the ocean, wasted. There is no end of the waste.
Amanda was wasted. Her life on this earth as a woman, a wife, a mother, everything she did and every love she shared and every fiber of her being all wasted. Her blood was wasted, leaking out on the floor. The breath she breathed was taken from her, wasted. She can do nothing from the grave. Her little unborn baby girl in utero was wasted, an untimely death, her life supply cut off, never to be born.
I am REALLY getting sick of this stupid nonsensical saying, "nothing is wasted". Every damned thing on this earth is wasted in the final analysis. ALL WASTED. Davey Blackburn and his crap and flexing muscles are ALSO wasted. What is WRONG with these people! Or is it just me who is so irritated at such stupidity? ABB
ABB,
You are not the only one who is irritated!
'Green room' describes a room where actors relax before & after performances. The room is rarely literally green, but it is a lounge.
I've never seen a 'green room' for a pastor.
A green room for a pastor? I know, right? This guy is so delusional.
Did you guys see AB mom's comment on the Amber's latest tribute post about Amanda?
Robin Byars "She's counting on you & James to speak into Weston's life on her behalf. The good stuff!!"
Hmmm, is this a backhanded insult toward the murderous father? I sure hope they are catching on to him. I have a feeling Amber will be raising him eventually.
I just love that Amber wrote this! HA! I know she had no ill will toward Davey in writing it but she is not about to let Amanda and her role in Weston's life EVER be forgotten!
"We will remind him that when he hears the song "It Is Well", that his mom used to sing that to him every time she gave him a bath. We will remind him that when he grows up to love basketball, that his mom made sure he did. We will remind him that when he looks into the mirror, that he gets those beautiful blue eyes from his mom. We will remind him that when he chooses to do right, that his mom was the one who taught him first what was right and what was wrong. We will remind him that when he grows to love people and to love Jesus, that it was the love of his mom in those first 15 months of his life that shaped his heart for both. We will remind him that when he gives his whole heart to Jesus and chooses to live for him, that it was his mom who lived sold out for Jesus and died sold out for Jesus. She will always be with him and play a huge part in his life, because she is his mom. And the very BEST mom. We will remind him of that everyday."
There was a whole lot more in the post and she does go on to compliment Davey for being a great dad(she most likely realizes she has to stroke his ego in order to keep seeing Weston). She did get her point across and I think she will be the one to write the book not Davey. Of course AGAIN! he didn't like or comment on it. What a jerk!
Hey Jude, thanks for your post! Absolutely hilarious!
Thank you Bobcat, for your response. Hell no, I've never paid any attention to what the description "green room" meant; I guess if I'd ever thought about it at all I would have thought the room was painted green. Just goes to show how busy I was with my career and living life to give a good damn how the rest of the world entertained themselves.
Also shows how out of the loop I've been, huh? Oh well, who the hell cares anyhow, right; except I DO care how Davey reaps his unjust rewards, misleading others to the pit and them willingly falling in; even if smallish and stupid. Yep, a 'green' room for their beloved idiot, Davey. Soon we'll see a red carpet displayed for his precious feet to walk on. I just can't believe they actually frame that stupid saying nothing is wasted. But where's their picture of Jesus, or the cross, or framed scriptures taken from the Bible? Or free Bibles waiting to be given?
Their slogan "The best is yet to come" is another irritating bullshyt lie. The best is NOT yet to come; certainly not on this earth or in our lifetime. We may have jobs we love, homes we love and beautiful children; our lives filled with everything good; but for many of us the best is OVER, done, gone, kaput, never to return, just as it was for poor gullible trusting Amanda, only in a worse way for Amanda. On a moments notice, or on no notice, we can and do lose it all.
Not bringing out the violins; but for me there will be no more 'best'; my husband is gone, my beautiful son is gone, our beautiful homes are gone, my career is all but gone considering that I've had vocal cord cancer and will never be able to talk again like I did before. My vocal cords were severely damaged in radiation. There are only memories now, but who wants to live in the past with only memories; even my parents are gone and other loved family members. Now there is no future to look forward too for me (or them), not with my loved ones who are gone and all the lovely things we shared; only sorrow and tears and a hole in my heart for them that does not heal. (Sorry for my melancholy. Just ignore it).
I am not seeking pity or compassion; my life is not winding up any differently (maybe even better ) than the millions who have gone on before me, this is not my point. SOOO many have suffered huge losses, violent and long suffering deaths, way worse than my pains, and have lost children in gruesome ways, too cruel for them to live with. Every day I thank Jesus for the peace, care and comfort He gives me, and for providing for me, and that I am still here at all and able to thank Him; my cancer WAS after all, my own fault for smoking cigarettes when I knew better.
My point is; sadness, sorrow, death, disappointments and losses fall in ALL of our lives, some more than others; this is the reality of life as we know it on this earth. The best is NOT yet to come until we reach our heavenly home and safely in the arms of Jesus; the only hope we have. But we have these fools yelling out to their cult followers about some "best" crap. Lordy, Lordy.
I despise them for their false-hope "the best is yet to come" crap when it is NOT yet to come, certainly not in this lifetime, but they don't say this. ABB
Bingo, With all of my heart, I hope you are right, that Amber will be raising little Weston eventually. I wouldn't count on it though, not yet; not if Davey gets away with murdering Weston's precious mother; which, so far he IS.
Davey being the narcissist and sociopath that he is, IMO, would never give up Weston willingly. He is going to use that child for all he's worth to garner sympathy and draw others to him for his own gainful purposes. He would make that child's life a living hell before he'd ever give him up; many widowers, widows and other single parents do this who aren't as rotten as he is. Yet they do. I can't imagine the kind of life this child is going to have under Davey's cruel thumb.
I just pity this child and HOPE beyond hope that Amber is able to stay in his little life for years to come. However, I wouldn't put it past the slime b'stard Davey to drop any contact with her in a heartbeat and with no explanation. HIS thoughts; I think he's going to get sick of Amber's 'slobering' about Amanda all the time and put an end to it. A new woman in his life would also resent it, leaving little Weston even more at Davey's mercy. How sad this would be. ABB
Yeah Jude; GREAT POST!!! Made me laugh. Keep it up girl, you're on a roll now! ABB
Hey Jude said...what's White Lucretia thinking, letting him out of the mansion dressed like that? Past a certain point, it's maybe easier just to give up and let people think someone does have special needs..February 1, 2016 at 12:45 AM
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Post of the year, that was good comedy for the soul HJ, thank you as your entire post hit me in a strange way and I couldn't stop laughing. White Lucretia! I agree 100% and also wondered why he had to preface that she wasn't black. I did watch a few other vids of her and she does seem very stepford wiv-ish, but that is to be expected. Also sounds like she has put up with a ton of crap from PN over the years and a person has to wonder why she hung in there. He's not exactly a catch, more like a booby prize, runner-up, last ditch effort/scramble for a husband kind of situation. And it's ironic that he has a serious addiction to porn, but has Davey sending him his internet reports, no wonder Amanda was cc'd in on the reports.
Lol - sweet, it's good to cause some smiles. Click the link if you didn't see the video and would like to see - I posted a screen shot of Perry Noble in the offending outfit. :)
PN Strutting his Stuff
I deleted the previous posts as the links didn't work.
There is a fine line between a long sermon...and a hostage situation.
#TheEndsJustifyTheMeans
Maybe this 14 year Indianapolis old boy watches Resonate Church videos and decided to shoot his worries:
"Early Saturday, James C. Huff, 19, was treated for serious injuries at Eskenazi Hospital after police say he was shot in the abdomen by what appeared to be an airsoft gun. The incident occurred about 12:20 a.m. in the in the 9400 block of Meadowlark Drive, just northwest of East 42nd Street and Post Road, according to the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department. The suspected shooter is a 14-year-old boy, police said."
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/02/01/1-killed-8-weekend-shootings/79629364/
Why is Resonate still allowed to hold services in Northview Middle School?
Anonymous said...(January 31, 2916 at 9:30pm)
A green room. Who the f*** does he think he is?
Ooooooh! ooooooh oooooh!
"They've created a green room for me with notes and all my favorite things. How am I supposed to keep my composure together and preach after this!!?? 😭😭
Dunno Davey. How'd you keep your composure and preach after the brutal murder of your pregnant wife, you sociopath?
Where were all you f***ing 😭😭's then?
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One of the best.posts.ever.... I LOVE THIS!
Stupid green room like he's an A-list actor. Unfortunately his acting skills (or actually lack thereof) were revealed in his interviews in the days immediately following Amanda's murder. Twisting his ring and looking down so mournfully, trying to make his voice shake, trying to muster up a single tear and screwing his face up trying to look sad (I hoped, I hoped...I hoped...) - just pitiful. Here's hoping he showed the same talent when Detective Perkins was interviewing him at Methodist Hospital that morning.
That setup on Sunday before Davey's performance on stage was definitely the work of Etsy Nanny aka Meg....stepping right in. And it's probably much easier to keep your composure when you actually are glad that your wife is no longer in your life.
I doubt it's tears he's holding in...more like keeping his feet on the ground instead of jumping for joy.
Today DB quotes Randy Alcorn. http://www.epm.org/about/#about-randy
Randy leads a ministry that publishes it's own books, including fiction crime stories featuring detailed police procedures. I wonder how many of these DB researched before he cued his orchestra?
Peter's site went haywire on me again today but I'm glad I gave it another shot to be totally entertained by you guys this evening. Way better than the Iowa Caucus nonsense on the news!
Keep up the good work and keep your eyes open for the Crazy Davey/Etsy Nanny wedding! Maybe us trolls will be invited!
I'll bring the Swisher Sweets.
You'll bring the Swisher Sweets? Oh I get it - wow that's hilarious - the guys who brutally murdered Amanda left some at the house. Great joke! I'm sure Amanda would think that's sooooo funny.
Oh as if this case hasn't been a complete joke from the start. Cut the crap, you want a reason to get pissed off or offeneded? Look no further than Davey Blackburn, he has said far worse about Amanda.
Anon at 8:04
Okay, I'll bite.
One must search hard for a little humor to overcome the frustration that a blustering, sex-obsessed, rude, whining, fake pastor managed to make his sweet wife miserable on video for the world to see, then somehow managed to get rid of her and her baby while continuing his "nothing is wasted/the best is yet to come" life with Miss Lady-in-Waiting.
You're right. It's not funny.
Kate, well said and AGREED!!! If you want to get offended, go back to the super duper giddy DB just days after his wives murder! Twist that ring Crazy Davey and try to cry!
Concerned, THANK YOU and OH SO AGREED!
Yep, agreed! Not funny at all, but do appreciate a little humor if there's any to be had.
I tell ya guys how I really feel about this case. IMO, Davey Blackburn's guilt has been so obvious from day one and every day since, and based on the way this case has turned out; before I could ever get involved in another one of these cases I think I might need some swisher sweets myself. Confused doesn't begin to describe it. It is very disappointing. Bottom line, I think I've had it. ABB
DB Nov. 8 gun-waving sermon:
"Come on! Yeah-he-he!
Your pastor is smokin’ what he’s selling."
I hadn't put this together before...smokin' Swisher Sweets perhaps???
Was this MORE leakage before the big event? Even the Swishers were planned ahead.
Have the thugs EVER left Swishers behind before, or were they part of DB's overly staged event?
Bobcat, good find. No matter what, a pastor should never, ever utter the words, "I am smoking what I'm selling." I think he said that in reference to Amanda being pregnant but still, what an inappropriate phrase for a pastor.
His tweets this week are super delusional and grandiose all of the place
“The Spirit of the Sovereign Lord is on me, because the Lord has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He
Celebrating 12 salvation
“For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told"
They have created a green room for me
I am not saying the verses aren't great verses but of course Davey makes them about him and how the city will be awakened and the US will see the biggest revival of all time because of him. He is also looking to get super rich! Delusional. Narcissist. Sociopath. Greedy
Another phrase that should never be said by a pastor...
"Boob grab".
Anon & Bobcat, Bingo; he is the most repulsive man I could ever imagine. "Boob grab", how demeaning to women. And "smoking what I'm selling." Can it get any worse? Yes, and does:
".... the Lord has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor." Unbelievable blasphemy of scripture, perverting the Holy Word and the Savior God sent to save us; JESUS, not Davey Blackburn. AGAIN, he sets himself above Jesus. It is JESUS who was anointed to proclaim the good news to the poor. We are the servants, spreading HIS gospel. We are the vine, HE is the Branch. WHEN did Davey become a branch? AGAIN, he does not mention Jesus or give the power and glory to Jesus.
NO ONE on this earth has the anointing power, to; ".....I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told..." One of these days God may just decide to strike Davey Blackburn dead in his tracks, misleading the weak and simple minded to the portals of hell. I certainly wouldn't want to be in his shoes. There are many instances in the Bible where those who blasphemed Jesus, who WAS from the foundations of the beginning of time, who trifled with God Almighty met their untimely death. God is not to be mocked.
How can people be such fools to listen to such a fool and damn their own soul? ABB
His lordship's latest message/sermon is up: http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/overwhelmed-week-1-bring-me-the-ephod/
Overwhelmed Week 1 – Bring Me the Ephod
It is easy to be cheerful towards God when everything is going right in our lives. But how do we respond when our world is closing in on us and we’re in distress? Davey kicks off the “Overwhelmed” series by teaching us the power of praising God though triumph and tragedy.
And so now he begins to write the book of overcoming fake grief and bursting forth into triumph. I may have to let my lunch settle before I can watch it. I wonder if he has begun to think of the title of the book? I am kind of surprised he hasn't asked People to pay him to share his story? Inside Edition was all about Davey in the beginning. Do you think everyone got the weirdo vibes and decided to stop pursuing him? I guess the book could be called Nothing is Wasted. It certainly will not be Amanda's Story because the murder was just the conundrum that brought forth all the triumph.
Amanda's murder was the ideal headline story. Beautiful blonde pastor's wife, handsome grieving pastor ... except the pastor WASN'T grieving AT ALL. DB should have gone to the Deborah Bradley school of crocodile tears. I don't think weirdo vibes even begins to explain it...and these 'news' people are plenty familiar with huge egos.
That's right BobCat! It was the perfect story until well, it wasn't. It got weird! Do you guys remember on the Inside Edition piece. The cameraman zoomed in on DB's eyes? Even the cameraman could smell something rotten.
rosy said...
His lordship's latest message/sermon is up: http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/overwhelmed-week-1-bring-me-the-ephod/
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Lol @ His lordship! Thank you for the link also :)
I will transcribe pertinent parts of the latest sermon asap unless someone beats me to it. It won't be for another day at least. The video goes on for AN HOUR.
DB shared Amber's beautiful video and facebook tribute, without comment.
Davey shouted a lot, and towards the end donned his ephod/ garment of praise/ robe of righteousness ($34.99 H & M - call me over-interested). It was mostly a shouty justification of his behaviour since Amanda was murdered - he!s anticipating 'restoration' of all that's been 'stolen' from him (already meeting interior designers) - oh, and mocking Weston, joking about CPS, and putting him in snow boots a size too small. Poor kid, he must miss his mother even if he doesn't know it.
Davey revels in all those OT stories of pillaging, revenge, and looting - I find it disturbing that his priority seems to be ownership, and stuff, while people are more incidental. His manner is so bullying - I couldn't stand to not be able to switch him off.
Bravo, Bobcat. :)
'His lordship' - lol.
His notion that an ephod was a sort of "cardigan" is pretty hilarious.
Hey Jude, your post @11:19; if the idiot was forcing boots onto little Weston's feet that were a size too small, then the little boy would have been screaming his head off hysterically and jerking his feet around in pain as Davey was forcing them onto his feet. Wonder how the fool handled THAT? The lo-life b'stard. It wouldn't have been a pretty picture. Within the hour the baby would have had blisters on his heels and cramped toes from having to walk in the too tight boots.
Was this Davey's way of 'poor-mouthing' to his followers, claiming to need new boots for his baby? Let the money pour in, right Davey, use that little boy for all he's worth; you piece a shyt.
I feel sorry for this child, totally at his daddy's mercy. This poor baby shouldn't be left alone in Davey's care for five minutes. Wonder where Meg was, she would know better than to force shoes on a baby's feet, or wouldn't she? Or even care as long as she pleases Davey. Oh God, please find a way to help this poor child and save him from a life-time of cruelty from his abusive father. ABB
I have not had the stomach to watch it yet :(
Bobcat; Amanda's 'home intrusion' murder of the pastor's beautiful blond wife, was only a screaming headline as long as Nancy disGrace featured it on her show. The minute she pulled it from her bombshell screeching and tossed it, so did every other media head. NOW that's a fact. NONE will go up against her.
I've seen her do this before. SHE leads the way, SHE determines whose guilty and whose not and whose worthy of an excuse for their crimes; the rest follow. And there you have it. She doesn't give a rat's a'ss about justice for women and children in this country, only her OWN agenda. SHE calls the shots. She has single-handedly helped to delay justice in this country in some very sad cases where the perpetrators were so obviously guilty. This won't be her last time either. ABB
I have just started watching. UGH! He just can't stop talking about the VIP green room. REALLLLYYYY??? AND why does music have to play for that long? And already comparing himself to David. He must preach to constant newcomers. No way he has a regular congregation.
Sorry I have to write as I watch this. He says, "We as parents? We worked so long to get Weston's clothes on?" Who are the we, DB? Aren't you a single parent now that you had your wife killed?
DB " I have to be careful as I bend over because my pants are so tight." Oh my. And that annoying squealing he is doing mocking his son.
And "Weston likes to run around the house naked. It's a guy thing!" He then pauses and looka coyly at the audience. (pervert)
He calls the Book of Psalms, David's journal entries. (compare to the book he may write one day with AB entries) And oh my gosh when he uses that awful sexy voice when explaining how close David feels to God. "I can feel you closer that my own breath, I can taste you." And he has to remind the audience that David is actually talking to God (like instead of a lover implied)? Really?? And calls David bipolar. This may be all I can for this morning!
Neither have I Bingo @8:41. Not being critical of those who have, more power to them, it's just that I don't have the guts for it.
For one thing; I almost cannot stand hearing or watching God's Holy and awesome Word being polluted and the message of Jesus Christ being brought to shame. Even if it were not for this, neither do I want my own mind becoming confused by any who would speak some few words of so-called 'wisdom' that might serve to confuse me when I've already seen their evil side and am aware of what they are capable of.
Looking for the so-called "good" in someone who has already proven their evilness just by their words, deeds and actions, however craftily it was done, and when you already know there is no good there if one just keeps their eyes and ears open, is how someone like him gets their toehold in the lives of the weak-minded who fall into his trap. These false preachers/prophets spewing their trickery and using God to do it is not the time to become gullible.
Secondly; I wish I'd never heard of or read the first word Davey Blackburn ever spoke. I know as good as I know that I'm sitting here on this chair that he is anti-Christ, that he is evil and that he participated in the orchestration of his wife's murder; that he is of the devil and from the devil which sickens me to my very core; that being anyone who is not for Christ is against Christ, meaning 'anti'.
Not all who do not follow Christ are murderers or criminals, nor are they all possessed, many neither believe there is a God or a satan; but he DOES know and has already proved that he IS of satan's domain, and this by choice.
My Bible and the warnings of Jesus tells me; "give no place to the devil" which is not easy to do even under normal daily circumstances, but deliberately? Nah.. ABB
READ THIS: I pasted this from Tony Stewards Instagram account. His fiancé Brittany Burns just died less than two months from being diagnosed with ovarian cancer. He is a football player on the Buffalo Bills. THIS is how you talk about the love of your life when they tragically die. Has DB said anything remotely as touching as this about AManda??
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Brittany Ann Steward! Wow BEAUTIFUL is the only way I know you. You have the biggest heart I have ever seen in my entire life and I promise you that it will live on in me, our family and every single soul you have touched. You are the strongest and most loving soul to step foot in this world. You have been my rock, my motivation, my heart, my soulmate, my everything since the day I laid eyes on you. Every single day of your life you have been a fighter and I know this because of the unbelievable family you brought me into. We will all honor everything you stand for in life. I will continue to be the person that you always bring out in me. Believe me when I say that I deeply love you with every ounce of everything in me. Love always, Your Fiancé #fightinglikeagirl #fightlikebritt
ABB-"These false preachers/prophets spewing their trickery and using God to do it is not the time to become gullible." Your right this a bad time to be gullible but it appears that there are so many that are just that. It is so sad to see so many blindly following a pastor instead of God. There is a great article someone tweeted yesterday about the toxic church like Davey Blackburns and Perry Nobles. I will try to find and link on here.
Pak, thank you for sharing this! This is exactly what you would expect to see from a grieving husband. Even the ONE post since her death where DB paid tribute to her, he still couldn't say I love you. I think it was with much love? Davey never said I love you and will honor you. He basically said you love my church and you will honor my church by bringing more customers to me by your death! And your ok with that because you would die for a cure to cancer so it is all good. All good!
OK, I am kind of creeped out but I think CD may be following this thread. Many of us have spoken about the fact he never comments, likes or reposts ANYTHING that Amber writes. Well, he did just that today! There have been a few other things but don't want to go into them right now. I do hope he just did it because he loved the post and appreciates the beautiful tribute to Amanda!! If that is true, I feel a little bit better about him. It was a beautiful tribute and he absolutely should share it!
Ok so I watched the sermon, although I really had to skip some because it is just so boring. However, on a funny side note. THOSE PANTS! They look like leggings and they are so skin tight, he can't put his hand in the pocket. He tries like ten times and he just can't do it. The are ridiculous looking. At least he didn't wear his usual v-neck t-shirt that exposes his man boobs. hehehe
About the sermon: There is just so much to say about this sermon, but a few things stand out. (I have posted a little already about his intro and all the sexual references) He kept saying we need to make a full frontal assault on the enemy? What in the world? What a odd thing to say. We don't attack the enemy, the enemy attacks us and we are to resist him by putting on the full armor of God. Is he again referencing Amanda? Did he see her as the enemy? Did anyone think that was as odd as I did?
Also he continues to ask his congregation "Has something been stolen from you?" He asks that in other sermons too. I think Davey most likely suffered some sexual abuse as a child. That may be what has gotten his brain wiring so super cray-cray and with narcissistic personality this is just a bad storm of a guy. Throw in a twisting of religion and whoa!
AND the obsession with money. He needed to look good for an interior designer and contractor?? WHAT? How can a jobless man preaching to a glorified Sunday School class in a school gym afford an interior designer? Also, talking about his Nike sweat clothes and how he doesn't like them to clash with his Under Armour socks. What the heck?? And I just can't even go into it all, I am already exhausted on just a few things but the Ephod and comparing it to a cardigan?? He got someone to take his picture switching his clothes out? He also compares the Ephod(a sacred vestment worn by priests) to looking nice on a date, saying "Hey babe, Tonight, we gonna look like we got money and I want you to look the part." He is so out of line biblically I want to scream.
DB's eyes are so wide because of espresso!
I'm only 24 minutes in on the transcribing. He is talking about 1 Samuel 30 and stories of David living as a spy, and how he also wrote Psalm 120-126. Davey believes that David wrote those Psalms when he was under great distress and overwhelmed by the stories in 1 Samuel 30.
As usual, Davey seems to project his own selfish ideas onto the audience. Excerpts:
1) "How many, how many of you are glad that…, that we have a church here that it doesn’t matter if you’re distressed, if you’re in debt, if you’re discontented, you can show up here, you don’t have to put on a pretty face, you don’t have to put on the perfect outfit, you don’t have to put on the fact that you don’t have any problems."
2) "Listen, listen, this is so important when we begin to talk about being overwhelmed. Because the lie and the myth often times in church, is, ‘God will never put on you more than you can handle.’ You ever heard that before? God’s never gonna put on, anything on you more than you can, you can handle, you, so, if you’re going through something, he knows that you are strong enough to go through it. Ugh! Lie! You ever been in a place where you feel like, that, it’s like, this is just more than I can handle. I wasn’t built for this. You just kind find yourself in this place of being stressed.
But I love the person of David because you can read through a lot of David’s, like, journal entries, his thoughts unfiltered in the book of Psalms. And you can hear how he’s in situations of being distressed, and I used to think that David was like, schizophrenic, like I used to think this cat was bipolar. I’m like, what is wrong with this dude, because there’d be moments in the Psalms you’ll read, and he’s like ’I feel you closer than, my own breath, I can taste you, like honey on my lips.’ He’s talking to God, right? He’s not talking to any…he’s talking to God, and I’m like, I’m like, man, I, that’s, man, he’s so Godly. And in the very next verse, he’ll be like ‘Where are you? Where’d you go? I’m alone!’ Right? And it flip flops back and forth, over and over, flip flops, flip flops, and I’m like, this dude needs medicine. Somebody get him a prescription for something, and then listen…
And then I went through something, where it made me feel like that. Moments where I’d experience the depth of God’s love, of his presence, of his peace, and of his healing like I’ve never experienced before. And in a moment, the switch flips, and I feel more alone, more in distress, more overwhelmed than I ever have in my life."
Excerpts continued
3) "I would venture to say that many of us in feel, many of us in here feel like we have been stolen from. We have been robbed from, of something. Maybe, maybe it’s actually a loss of life (showing no emotion). Or maybe you feel like you’ve been robbed of your health. Maybe it’s a career. You feel like you’ve been robbed of an opportunity. Maybe you feel like you’ve been robbed of some time…with your spouse, that your kids, with really close relationships… Maybe you feel like you’ve been robbed of your dignity. Maybe your reputation. Maybe one of your closest friends betrays you and you feel like you’ve been robbed and there’s this place that’s missing now in your heart. ‘Cause you’ve been stolen from. That’s where David finds himself."
4) "Sometimes we can put ourselves in, in really frustrating situations and we can face resistance because of ourselves. You see, you see, listen, sometimes, in fact, oftentimes, your biggest enemy… I like to say it this way. My biggest enemy is in me. It’s me. In fact, the bible talks about how the greatest presence of sin and death and broken, brokenness that we feel is actually in us. Because at one point, you and I decided to do things our own way, push back from God’s way, and we walked away from God.
God in his graciousness and his sovereignty decided to come after that which was stolen from Him, and reclaim back as his possession. If you’re a follower of Jesus, that is what has happened in your life. But listen, although the punishment for sin and brokenness, and, and, and shame can feel far gone, the presence is still there sometimes and we face our own worst enemy on a daily basis."
5)"Isn’t it easy to think that when you’re in an overwhelming situation that God is mad at you? You start to go back and say… Well, man, what if I had done this, if I hadn’t made this decision, and, we hadn’t, hadn’t had that one night, or this, thing, or I hadn’t taken that. Maybe I’ll… maybe God’s getting me back from all, for all of those things…that I’ve done. You ever felt that before?"
I wish he wouldn't keep commanding his audience to 'Listen, listen!' - I know he thinks he's drawing their attention to some earth-shattering truth to which he thinks they should pay attention, but it makes me wonder are they bored, or dozing off? It's not polite - much like the habit some of our politicians have here when they keep,saying 'Look!' before launching their rhetoric, as though they think the listener is stupid and doesn't understand what is being said. Plus it seems a bit desperate, as the need to persuade goes.
I get what he's saying, though I'd describe it as feeling cheated rather than stolen from - is it really how he feels though, or is it something he's read in a book? I was interested to know he wept for three hours solid - he must have been feeling sorry for himself, what with having no idea how to dress Weston to play in the snow, and no boots which fit him. still having to clothe himself from H&M - (though he might just like it - they're good on style) - having to spend all the donations which could have covered a pair of snow boots for Weston on an interior designer just to thwart Meg's dream of filling his new place with her loud 'Nothing is Wasted!' wall plaques, which would have to be annoying once they'd been on the wall for half an hour. Having Perry Noble for a boss, promising his audience a 'Once in a Lifetime Experience' with him - translated, a passive aggressive declaration that Perry Noble needn't ever bother coming back to Resonate. Showing cool Davey up by dressing all Special Needs, despite his millions. Ah, well. '#Life's a bitch, and then you die' - oh, off message - '#The Best is Yet to Come'.
Thanks for what you have transcribed, Bobcat - though it's even more depressing on the page. :-/
Yes, I think he reads here. The 'full frontal' thing - well, it's probably best not to go there - he's just trying to provoke some people now, methinks. Davey probably bores easily.
Here's a good one for analysis.
6)"38:00
Y’all, a couple weekends ago, I, I just went by the fire and I just sat down and started reading. I was trying to just rest, ‘cause it’s been really hard for me to rest the past couple months. I’m just trying to rest and I’m just sittin by the fire, and I’m listening to some music, and I’m reading through some of Amanda’s journal entries and, it just, hit me. And they say it like hits you out of nowhere but it just enveloped me, and for the next three hours I am, weeping. And I got done and I felt like I had just run, ran a marathon. Wh, what was that and where did it come from? I just wept until I had no more strength and I’m sure you’ve been there before."
HJ,
He doesn't start saying "listen" until after 25 minutes or so. I think the kids in the audience are getting antsy, so he's like a teacher, telling them to shut up and listen. Like others have said, this is not a sermon, this is Sunday School with stage lights.
Three solid hours seems unlikely - but we're all different. He would be emotionally exhausted after that, if he did weep for that long. It seems so much self-justification, like he's been holding it all together, and then it suddenly hit him. While he was reading Amanda's journal, by the fire, where he was sitting - so did he burn her diary, her real journal in the fire,mans feel guilt about that? I may be too harsh, but Davey would be weeping for himself, rather than Amanda - some time of self-realisation, perhaps, which he calls three hours.
Is there any particular association to be made in SA with 'fire', does anyone know?
7) "They point the finger at David and say “it’s all his fault.” C’mon, sometimes when you go through really tough stuff, man, people who used to heroize you will demonize you. Man, you really do find out who your friends are when you go through really tough stuff. Man, people were like “I got your back, bro,” and there all of the sudden something happens, and you wind up pregnant, and you’re…OH, gone."
This line cracks me up. I'm not going to listen to the rest of the crap but I'm sure he'll be giving God credit for pulling people's hearts to salvation.
"Last I checked, the only person that can control your heart, and your emotions, is you."
At 49:00 - DB is either actually showing emotion or his acting skills have improved.
One last one:
8) "David had known God as a lot of things. He had known God as a defender. How do you know God is a defender, where you get in a situation where you need defense. Scripture says, and we’ll talk about next week how he was plucked from the mouth of a lion, the mouth of the bear, and he also defeated Goliath. He needed defense."
He held it in pretty well, but he starts smacking his lips again at 56:00. UGH!
Thank you Bobcat, that had to have been brutal, can't bring myself to watch just yet.
After looking at his FB tonight, it's about all I can take of him. Posting video's of his teenage youth group (creepy) and jumping teenager's at a concert. At what point in life will Davey Blackburn grow up? I don't think ever. I do think he surrounds himself with teenaged kids for a reason and the parents who allow their teens to be around this man, unsupervised, should be very, very concerned.
Davey thrives off the youth of the teen's, he wants to be one again. He has a difficult time relating to anyone older than him. When he made this crack in his sermon, "next time Grandma asks you when is your time to get married, at the next funeral ask her when it's her time." He's terrified of age and aging. I would look for Davey's next girlfriend to be quite young.
I'm pretty sure under PN's garanimal outfit we'd find a tight pair of spanx. I think that's why he kept tugging on his shirt, it kept sticking to the spanx.
Crazy Davey talking about David.
"And you can hear how he’s in situations of being distressed, and I used to think that David was like, schizophrenic, like I used to think this cat was bipolar. I’m like, what is wrong with this dude".
Heh. Project much?
Thank you for transcribing.
ROBBED X6
3) "I would venture to say that many of us in feel, many of us in here feel like we have been stolen from. We have been robbed from, of something. Maybe, maybe it’s actually a loss of life (showing no emotion). Or maybe you feel like you’ve been robbed of your health. Maybe it’s a career. You feel like you’ve been robbed of an opportunity. Maybe you feel like you’ve been robbed of some time…with your spouse, that your kids, with really close relationships… Maybe you feel like you’ve been robbed of your dignity. Maybe your reputation. Maybe one of your closest friends betrays you and you feel like you’ve been robbed...(With a wink to MG, .....Maybe you should dress like a robber next Halloween, too.
Seriously, was that Halloween costume just a coincidence?
Wow. He is leaking like a sieve.
THREE hours?
That number's kind of an in joke here, Davey.
" where you get in a situation where you need defence"
Like in a court of law, Davey? Do you mean defence lawyer?
Oh no. That's right. You've gotten away with murder, haven't you?
Thanks again for transcribing.
The part about CD wanting to rest by the fire, with some music and his dead wife's journals, floored me!
It reads like a parody created by one of the posters on this thread.
And the last bit. ..." I'm sure you've been there before". WTF?
Is he insane?
Oh, wait a minute.
To those who watched the latest sir moan.
Why isCD so delighted to have God that will wreak vengeance on his behalf on those who say mean things about him (something about putting sharp, spiky things on tongues - I hope he doesn't mean us!)?
And
Why does he want to forgive the muderers of his pregnant wife, but not people who say mean things?
Kate @ 1:56,
I think you are right about PN and a spanx man-girdle. I was thinking that too!
Re - When he made this crack in his sermon, "next time Grandma asks you when is your time to get married, at the next funeral ask her when it's her time."
When did DB say this?
Why isCD so delighted to have God that will wreak vengeance on his behalf on those who say mean things about him (something about putting sharp, spiky things on tongues - I hope he doesn't mean us!)
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From Anon above: I noticed that too. Forgive the killers and let's pray they all go to Heaven with us and Amanda! Maybe we can having a big loving feast in the sky one day! BUT don't you trolls DARE question why I couldn't shed a tear, why I could've cared less about finding Amanda's killers and why I was writing the Best Is Yet to Come while my wife's organs were being removed. You guys deserve sharp, spiky things on your tongues. This is how these kind of people manipulate their followers. Make anyone who questions their absurd behavior seem like the enemy or a troll.
I have never really been one to get into crime cases. I have followed very few but this one has gripped me. For one thing, I had a New Spring church planter stay with us during our Global Impact Week (when New Springs was still connected to Southern Baptist) This was 12 years ago and New Springs was already big but I believe still just one campus. This church planter was awesome. However, he did have a lot of quippy quotes to say I noticed. You know, PN was already giving people little "best is yet come" type feedings. The guy felt compelled to start a church up north but was not supported by PN. I don't think at that time, PN was able to pay people to plant churches. The Southern Baptist convention supported them. The church failed and he is back at New Springs. I haven't stayed in touch with him very well but I do notice on twitter, he is always retweeting and praising Perry. That is just odd to me. This whole concept of pastor's being rock stars is just unsettling. I think this new thinking created a monster in DB. He didn't want to spread the love of Christ, he wanted to be a rock star pastor. The culmination of him being a narcissist and going to a church where the pastor is the center not God, lead to a tragedy. I think PN knows it but prays it never comes to light in any kind of arrest or conviction.
Bobcat, it's in the All in week four, When God seems unfair. I paraphrased last night, but this is what he says.....
"Everybody at your family reunions are asking "so when's your time, when's your time, when's your time, when are you gonna get married" - by the way, pause I got a piece of free advice, (davey makes timeout gesture with his hands at this point). If Grandmother asks you that at the next family reunion, just sit next to her at the next family funeral and ask her, "hey when's it your time? Oh ho (ramble babble) just giving you a little feed...."
I snipped this clip for another vid I was doing on him. Wish I could just put it up here for you all to listen/see. He has so many bad moments in life (prior to Amanda's death) that I can't believe no one saw this coming.
https://vimeo.com/148037627
Look at what Levi Lusko is wearing in this Eyes of Lion video that Davey is OBSESSED with (you know the one they spent their romantic vacation watching) Davey wore the EXACT same thing to preach on his first Sunday back (only difference is color jacket) This just creeps me out to the umpth degree!
Don't you people get tired of hanging onto every word DB says?
Waiting with bated breath for his next tweet so you can breathlessly retweet it or share it here.
Transcribing every word he says and every word others say about him.
You're not even analyzing it, just saying "OMG OMG can you believe he said that?"
You're like obsessed fans only you hate him instead of love him.
It's creepy.
Maybe you ladies could start a 'We Love To Hate DB Fan Club'.
This arrived here by snail mail. What I find curious, I sent in my complaint about the fund raising for the Blackburns being run through the church using the online email option. I remember it stating that a response would not come if submitted online, but here it is:
Department of the Treasury
Internal Revenue Service
Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division
Exempt Organizations: Examinations
1100 Commerce Street
Dallas, TX 75242
Date of this Notice:
JANUARY 27, 2016
Contact Telephone Numbers:
Toll Free (877) 829-5500
[My personal contact info redacted]
Dear Sir or Madam:
Thank you for the information you submitted regarding RESONATE CHURCH INC. The Internal Revenue Service has an ongoing examination program to ensure that exempt organizations comply with the applicable provisions of the Internal Revenue Code. The information you submitted will be considered in this program.
Internal Revenue Code section 6103 protects the privacy of tax returns and tax return information of all taxpayers. Therefore, we cannot disclose the status of any investigation. If, at a later date, you have additional information that you believe is relevant to this matter, please attach a copy of this letter to the information and send it to the address shown above.
We appreciate your concern in bringing this matter to our attentions. If you have additional questions please call Customer Account Services at (877) 829-5500.
Sincerely,
[Redacted]
Acting Director, Exempt Organizations
Examinations
I think my comment got caught by a spam filter. I was the one who reported Davey's fund raising activity to the IRS for running it through the church. I filed it by email, and remember it saying not to expect a response. But I just found a letter in my snail mail that they have received my complaint and are considering it via their examination program. It goes on to say not to expect any updates on the progress of the complaint due to privacy reasons.
On a personal note, I detest false gospels and false prophets. Davey's church is dangerous and his fund raising activity through it is misguided. I guess the IRS will discover if his financials are in order, as far as they are concerned.
Anon @12:57. Who are you and why are you even on here. We are a group of people who are very disturbed by the behavior of a toxic man running a toxic church. Many of us also believe he was involved in the murder of his wife. This is an old thread and just a few of us still discussing. Are YOU hanging on to our every word? Why would you even care if you have no interest in the case. You have to work and scroll to get to these comments. If you are not interested, don't get on and be bothered by us.
Mom 2 Many, interesting! Thanks for the update! I can't believe he ran personal family donations through his church. Yikes.
Oh yes, the link is still on the website, too: http://resonateindianapolis.com/ right underneath the main header is the link to access the donation page specifically for the Blackburns. I included the T-shirt sales in my complaint, as well, but that link is gone. They did two printings.
So Davey is basically trying to receive free, non-taxable income going only to him and Weston? I can see a scholarship fund being set up in Weston's name in honor of Amanda. That would be lovely. Oh, but we all know CD is anything but lovely. Also, why does he need all the extra income? Amanda didn't work and he has never truly stopped working. I am sure his salary continued. I do remember someone saying that he closed down all the Go Fund Me pages and had it all go to the church. I found that odd but now I know his reasoning which is a tax-free flow of cash.#blessed
Mom 2 Many, did all the t-shirt money go directly into his pocket? I figured it would go toward a ministry. I guess we just don't know at this point.
Anon @ 12:57,
I AM trying to analyze DB's statements. From his last 'sermon,' there was a lot of garbage but the paragraph describing his unmentioned grief is worthy of analysis. I am only a student here, but I believe DB still has not grieved for Amanda, even though he sort of told a story about it.
DB: "Y’all, a couple weekends ago, I, I just went by the fire and I just sat down and started reading. I was trying to just rest, ‘cause it’s been really hard for me to rest the past couple months. I’m just trying to rest and I’m just sittin by the fire, and I’m listening to some music, and I’m reading through some of Amanda’s journal entries and, it just, hit me. And they say it like hits you out of nowhere but it just enveloped me, and for the next three hours I am, weeping. And I got done and I felt like I had just run, ran a marathon. Wh, what was that and where did it come from? I just wept until I had no more strength and I’m sure you’ve been there before."
This sounds like "it" would be grief, but DB does not mention grief or grieving.
1) Peter's Instruction from prior article:
"We now listen for: story telling language in the subject.
He moves into the present tense, which reduces reliability."
Verb tenses change from past to present.
2) Peter's Instruction from prior article:
The word "just" is used to compare. It indicates that something else is on his mind.
Again, I am a student of SA, but I call DECEPTION on this whole story of DB's grief experience.
He is not a grieving husband.
Upon review of what I transcribed yesterday, the word "just" pops up frequently when DB talks about Weston too!
"Weston’s got like little hobbit feet, you know what I’m sayin’ The fat, you’re like, Du-ude, how do you even walk? I would think he would just kinda roll because they’re so fat and just kinda roll side to side. He doesn’t have hair on them, that would just be weird. But other than that, they look just like hobbit feet. So, I’m shoving his, snow boots on, these little new snow boots and the, they’re one size too small on him, and so I’m just tryin’ to get these things on there, and he’s screamin’, and he’s just not having fun, right. So, already, out of the gate, this is not a good thing…"
AND
"Last night, we were just hanging out. We were about to eat dinner, and uh, Weston starts pointing over at the, the, the, the door, there’s like a glass door at the house that we’re staying at, and he starts going “puppy, puppy, puppy, puppy” Now, he just started learning how to say “Grandpa,” which we call his Grandpa Poppy, so I thought he was saying Poppy."
Anon @ 12:57,
Duh. It's a statement analysis blog. We think Davey Blackburn orchestrated he murder of his wife. His statements, previous and subsequent to Amanda's murder, indicate deception and guilty knowledge.
He is leaking like a seive and makes an excellent subject for us.
Why are you here?
PS. Anyone notice in the beginning of the sermon he mentions 3 "shots" of coffee.
Ref. my post at 4:37
I wonder if it is not grief, but guilt?
Guilt, Bobcat, GUILT.
Ha ha.... so he has trouble sleeping, 'eh? I hope he NEVER gets another decent nights' restful sleep. The lo-life piece a shyt.
Taking a bow, hats off to you, Mom2Many!
ABB
Bobcat, really great job on SA! How are you in training to do this? I had never heard of SA until this case. I just kept searching and searching for something about any suspicions of DB that first week. I thought it was so odd he was cleared that quickly. I finally googled my way to SA. DB almost had me fooled with that first GMA appearance. Peter's SA was so enlightening. What kind of training do you do? You are quite good.
Bingo3,
Thank you! The only 'training' I have had is reading and searching here. I can't remember the first time I found SA - I think it was SEAMUSOreilly back then, bit I remember finding SA again when baby Lisa Irwin went missing.
The Blackburn case brought me here right away, and I have started paying closer attention to what Peter shares here. I still have MUCH to learn!
Peter offers training here: http://www.hyattanalysis.com/
Bingo: The T-shirt sales stated clearly that the money was going to Crazy Davey and Weston.
Does anyone else think Davey has come into a lot of Money? New clothes, a contractor and a decorator, and that new SUV?
I find the Grandma at the funeral are you next comment disturbing. Why would someone say that? His words are full of death and violence.
Could someone quote the decorator bit?
The decorator thing really makes me mad. By all accounts (the sister, his own father), Amanda decorated beautifully. But he feels the need to wipe all trace of her from his home. Sad.
Bottle Cap,
I believe DB has come into Amanda's life insurance money.
In his Weston "puppy" story, he says "there’s like a glass door at the house that we’re staying at". That tells me they are not staying at the site of the crime anymore. I don't know if he is planning to have a new home built or remodel the current home.
mom@many,
Here is the decorator bit:
"The other day I was meeting with s, some really important people. I was meeting with a contractor and an interior designer. I, I go to my closet. I’m like, man, I probably, I probably better not wear my jeans with holes in them. Even though you guys pay extra for that. Like, I need to look a little bit more put together. So, so I kinda put on a nice button up shirt so that they, you know, I was kind of impressing them and they at least knew that I was somebody more put together than, you know, some punk kid who wears street clothes."
Try to make sense of this!
DB 1/31/2016, 51:00
“Your reaction is immediate but your response is deliberate. Your reaction is emotion but your response is decision. And as you begin to see your reactions happen, and as you begin to stand in your responses, pretty soon your reactions, by default and instinct, will begin to follow your responses, and as you’re training for the trial that is to come, pretty soon your reaction becomes a default to stand … put on, the garment of praise.”
Then he follows with the defense (here it is again)
"David had known God as a lot of things. He had known God as a defender. How do you know God is a defender, where you get in a situation where you need defense. Scripture says, and we’ll talk about next week how he was plucked from the mouth of a lion, the mouth of the bear, and he also defeated Goliath. He needed defense."
FYI: To the person posting "umpth degree," there is so such phrase. The correct phrase is "nth degree," meaning the the highest or utmost degree.
Since this is a forum about interpreting what people say and write, using correct phrases is also important so we all understand each other.
For YOUR info Anon @3:01, who gives a rat's butt what your interpretation is of the former poster's use of the phrase "umpth degree" as too how it was implied. WE know what was meant and obviously you do too since you detailed its' more common usage. ".... so we all understand each other?" Obviously you understood perfectly well. However, the one thing you don't seem to understand, OR care to comprehend, is that your bud Davey Blackburn participated in his wife's murder. You idiot. ABB
Bobcat @1:04, Davey likely did carry life insurance on Amanda's life, and if he did, it would be interesting to know when exactly he took out the policy on her life; particularly since it was so apparent in the weeks and months before her brutal death that all he could talk about was death and violence AND his hatred of Amanda and disdain for their marriage.
Why wouldn't he have set himself up financially to benefit from her death since he is the one who planned it? Of course he would. I was in hopes that this would be the one big give-away in his plans and that any life insurance carrier would not pay out the benefits to him without doing a thorough investigation of the circumstances of Amanda's death. On the other hand, being as clever as he thinks he is, he could have just as easily not insured her life so as not to appear to be guilty in her murder. However, I find it interesting that not one word has been spoken as to whether he carried life insurance on her life.
Just because the spandex rainbow dude preacher Nobel's big rich church paid for Amanda's funeral does not mean Davey didn't also carry a hefty policy on Amanda's life. He had several handy means for paying for her burial without having to wait for any life insurance proceeds to be paid. There were FOUR churches; count them FOUR, who could have easily raised the money with one fund raising event while passing the collection plate among themselves. There was no money problem.
Talk about "we shall come rejoicing, bringing in the sheaves" the b'stard has had it made covering any expenses caused him by Amanda's murder, PLUS nicely covering his ongoing lucrative free-loader lifestyle. He has found a way not to ever have to get a real paying job. Was this his real goal, in addition to making sure he didn't have to raise another baby that he so bitterly did not want with a wife he despised who could not sexually satisfy him? I have never known of another whining little q--r homo that makes me so want to puke as he does.
As to him wasting money with a contractor and a decorator thinking he will recover it? Fool. His house is blighted and stigmatized from Amanda's murder as well as it's reputation for being in a crime riddled neighborhood. The house is not worth what he paid for it, and with only paying a 5% down payment, he has no equity. Any money he puts into this house is a sinkhole. If he had good sense he would let it fall into foreclosure or short sale and never look back, but then he doesn't. The idiot thinks he has to dress just so-so to meet with workers? Dumbass. ABB
The idiot describes his grief? He had no grief. Not a tear. He couldn't conjure up a tear for Amanda, or one "I love you" if it killed him. He describes how he 'got in the mood,' sat before the fire and read Amanda's journals, listened to music, and cried for three hours? Liar. Grief does not work like this.
If anyone here really wants to know how grief overtakes you, let me know and I'll tell you. But it's not a pretty picture. It is a tearing apart of your very soul. Your tears are not enough and never will be; you cannot remove your sorrow or the pain in your heart, or heal it. Your pain, tears and sorrow are not for yourself; they are for the one you lost, the one you would run a thousand miles in the snow just to spend one hour with if you knew he would be there when you got there. You would die in your grief if you did not know Jesus was there to comfort you, and glad to do it just to be with the dear one you lost. It does not end. ABB
Thank you ABB about Anon 3:31!! HA! Please go comfort your friend CD and don't worry with us. Stop coming all the way to this site, refreshing this page and scrolling to the bottom since we aggravate you so much! We are not here to be grammatically perfect, we are just trying to put our ideas and theories out there. By the way, Yo buddy CD sure nuf ain't grammatically correct MOST of the time!
Bobcat, thank you for the SA link. Very interested! Also, since Peter is not currently analyzing DB, I am so glad that you are! I really enjoyed your SA on the crazy sermon!
Mom2Many, we really appreciate you bringing to light the money deal! And Bottlecap, I just can't believe even the t-shirt money went straight to DB and not a scholarship for Weston or a ministry in honor of Amanda.
PS. Anyone notice in the beginning of the sermon he mentions 3 "shots" of coffee
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Anon, good observation! If this was the only thing he leaked, I wouldn't think much about it but with ALL the other things he has said and done, this is a great find!!
My thought on the life insurance is a bit like ABB's. He was so smart in how he orchestrated the murder, I doubt he took out a recent life insurance policy. That would be so obvious. If they took life insurance out, it was most likely after Weston was born or soon after. He did. however, collect money from several churches and still collecting from a private fund that is still on the Resonate sight. Also,let us not forget the and t-shirt sales which I naively assumed were going toward a ministry in honor of Amanda.
Bingo, Bobcat & Mom2Many; thought I'd mention that Davey might have a tax exempt status on his residence that we don't know about. Not sure how his donations might be affected tax-wise with his services being held at a tax exempt school facility since it is already tax exempted, as well his ministry would be too, I believe; however, IMO personal donations would certainly be worth looking into by the IRS.
As it relates to his residence, in some states a homeowner/occupant, (not sure about all), (Fla is one) that can apply for and be approved for income tax exempt status simply by holding bible studies in their home and claiming it is being used as a non-profit church facility. Unbelievable, but true. I've known of some who did this.
I imagine if more people knew about this ever so cleverly concealed non-profit law that protects them from paying taxes, they would be setting themselves up with in-home bible studies. I would think that Davey has his tracts covered in every way possible; still, it's worth the IRS taking a look into his private donations and sales of tee-shirts and videos. Somewhere, somehow, there has to be a way to trap this slimy b'stard.
He's not as smart as he thinks he is, or as some who have posted here gives him credit for being. I am waiting for the other shoe to drop proving what a lying, murdering sneaky piece a scum he really is; only thing is, we might have a loooOOng wait. ABB
I believe the house is considered a parsonage and is exempt from property tax.
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/incode/6/1.1/10/6-1.1-10-21
However... Amanda's for-profit refinishing business would block the religious exemption on the parsonage.
One thing that stood out to me is where he's talking about people turning on you when something bad happens and the example he gives is you find out your pregnant. Most people wouldn't consider pregnancy a bad thing, leaking and projecting again. Also "3" shots espresso, "3" hrs weeping. I'd love to see a full analysis on this statement. Not that it would do any good at this point, but db is a very interesting subject.
Regarding DB meeting with a contractor and interior designer...
We don't know what is being done or redone. Possible options could be:
1) Remodel existing home (which he & Weston are not currently staying in).
2) Building new home.
3) Building new church.
4) Remodeling an existing building for Resonate church.
Wouldn't the home parsonage need to be owned in the church's name to be entitled to the exempt property tax status? To give credit where credit is due; You seem to know more about this than I do Bobcat, considering that I have not researched the laws governing this particular aspect of tax deductions recently.
I do know however, that persons having outside employment or retirement status can claim their residence as a non-profit church organization by having bible studies in their home; at least this was the case the last time I looked just a few years ago in Fla, but then, I'm no tax expert. ABB
Anon @ 12:28
Yes, the pregnancy comment seemed very odd and out of place in the sermon.
You can see his face when he says it at 39:50 in the video here.
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/overwhelmed-week-1-bring-me-the-ephod/
ABB,
Yes, the house would need to be owned by the church for the tax exemption.
Bobcat (from yesterday at 4:37/4:52 p.m.) the word "just" can also be used to minimize, not always to compare.
A great example: Do a "find in page" here for the word "just." It's used 135 times on this page of comments alone. A couple dozen of those are copy/pastes of Davey's statements, but the rest are from all of us. If using that word indicates deception, literally everyone commenting here is being deceptive ... you, me, Bingo, Kate ... everybody.
And while you are correct that the change to present tense reduces reliability, it can also mean he's reliving the memory. Sometimes we hear present tense language from victims of violence and sufferers of PTSD or shock.
Notice he returns to the more reliable past tense: "And I got done and I felt like I hadjust run, ran a marathon. Wh, what was that and where did it come from? I just wept until I had no more strength and I'm sure you've been there before."
Davey seems to have a problem with feeling/showing genuine, human emotions (a problem he had long before Amanda's murder, imo), so if his story about crying by the fire is true, he's probably having a hard time understanding what that was all about. "Where did it come from?" he asks. Most of us wouldn't have to ask ourselves that after experiencing the murder of a loved one, right?
Or perhaps part of the story is true and part of it is not ... I suspect that's the often the case with Davey's sermons. Sometimes he embelishes to "make a point," imo.
Keep in mind that on your first analysis of a statement, you listen with the "presupposition of innocence and truth." I'm pretty sure a lot of folks here are starting with the presupposition of guilt with everything Davey says, because they've already decided he's guilty and are trying to use statement analysis to reinforce what they already believe. I've seen it happen here in other cases where people decided beforehand that someone was guilty of something ... like the poor guy who found little Rainn Peterson.
Had you decided Davey has not grieved for his wife before you analyzed the statement? Is that why you assume "it" means guilt, not grief?
Also, the quote you posted from Davey at 1:57 a.m. about reaction/response is, to me, very telling. It's like he's brainwashed himself to not react like a "normal" human being and instead responds to everything with praise ... which goes back to the article I've posted a couple of times about how some Christians "do grief."
Also, could y'all please not start up again with the nonsense of accusing someone of being Davey or Davey's buddy just because they say something you don't like? It's ridiculous. When I was still posting anonymously, I was accused several times of being Davey and the neighborhood watch guy simply because I don't agree with everyone else here, so it just irritates me. There's no reason to let the post correcting nth/umph get you so worked up. Geez. Just ignore it. That's what I do when a certain person periodically unleashes their venom and vitriol on me.
Re: Donations to Davey
In the early days of this case I remember reading a comment on one of the family's FB pages that they did not want fundraisers on sites like GoFundMe because they kept a percentage of the donations. Having the money come to Resonate meant Davey got all of it with no strings attached.
Re: Interior Decorating
I've known many grieving spouses through the years. One of the common denominators was a reluctance to remove anything belonging to the deceased from the home. They kept clothes and even their toiletries in place. One sweet man wouldn't move his wife's purse from the last place she set it down.
Yet Davey, who should be pulled between drowning in grief and trying to keep up with the demands of a toddler is worried about styling to meet with a designer who will change everything? I wonder if he thought Amanda's old-restored-furniture style was beneath him. I would bet PN has a pretentious McMansion and Davey wants that look.
Anon at 3:01...
You get on my nerves to the umph degree times 3!
I was wrong, I thought the presser was one of the most bizarre presser's I'd ever seen in my life and it bothered me since the day I saw it. I couldn't understand or grasp why most of them were behaving in such a strange manner. After doing a little research, I found out this is the norm for IMPD. Captain Craig Converse appears to speak in a nervous tone with most if not all of his media appearances. When he was younger it seemed he could flow the words a bit easier, as he aged he seemed to stutter more often and slip his words up.
And this seemed to be the case - just their normal behavior - with Chief Hite and others as well. Although, I still cannot understand how or why they would clear CD so quickly. It's my opinion that this decision will come back to haunt them and that will happen sooner rather than later.
BJJ,
"Had you decided Davey has not grieved for his wife before you analyzed the statement? Is that why you assume "it" means guilt, not grief?"
The old saying "When you assume it makes and ass of u and me" has stuck with me since third grade.
I have been waiting to see grief from DB. That's why I zeroed in on his story, but even then, he does not mention the word grief. What is "it"? Guilt popped into my head as an afterthought, because he does not use the word grief.
He says "it" ... is "it" sadness? Was he so brainwashed that any feeling of grief/sadness was to be hidden because we should all be happy/praising 24/7 because we are Christians and in Christ? i.e. Boys don't cry, and how can you cry when Jesus died for you?
I myself "do grief" in my own way. Very few tears, but my written remembrances are much closer to those of Amber's than DB's complete lack - and that is me writing about a parent or grandparent. I cannot imagine putting out statements and instructions that DB sent out to his congregation almost immediately after Amanda's death.
Thank you for your comments. I am very amateur at SA, but there was an unusually high concentration of the word 'just' in DB's paragraph about "it" where he "just wept."
If "it" is sadness, he minimized it in a big way, and made it unreliable with the verb tense changes.
Also in the statement, he mentions sat down and sitting. Body posture signifies an increase in emotional tension.
'Cause - also sensitive. "‘cause it’s been really hard for me to rest the past couple months" So this whole story could be about exhaustion, not grief.
He begins two sentences with And. Whenever a sentence begins with "And" it is an indication of information that has been left out.
In other SA...
DB mentions being by the fire. Does anyone know if fire has special indication in SA?
I don't think I posted this yet either, but right after DB says pregnant, he goes into a spiel about being victims. Here's the excerpt put together:
"C’mon, sometimes when you go through really tough stuff, man, people who used to heroize you will demonize you. Man, you really do find out who your friends are when you go through really tough stuff. Man, people were like “I got your back, bro,” and there all of the sudden something happens, and you wind up pregnant, and you’re…OH, gone.
There, kids, listen, natural tendency says we’re victims, we’re victims. You see, it’s so easy for us to take on this victim mentality. Now, here’s what’s crazy. Were they victims? Yes. Yes, it’s ok to say yes. They were victims of a heinous crime. But listen, there’s a difference between being a victim and taking on a victim mentality. You see, you can be a victim, but when the spirit of God is living in you, the Bible says that we can be victorious through our salvation."
Bobcat,
Thank you for the full quote about the decorator. I don't have the patience to listen to Davey. Since the wider context is not known, I will refrain from further judgment about that until and unless we do know.
i am amazed at how much leakage about his involvement in Amanda's murder, seeps out of CD sermons.
Death, shame, violence, accusations, shots, people having your back until you get pregnant...its all there.
And projection! Crazy Davey really loves King David. King David is schizophrenic. King David is crazy. People point their fingers at King David.
It really is startling! There is so much leakage in his last sermon, that it is virtually a confession.
Victims and being robbed.
Bad JuJu, you are right, we should not assume someone is a friend of DB. However, our reactive comments were not because he doesn't agree with us. I think all agree the person has gotten on this little thread solely to be a bully. I disagree with just about everything you post,JuJu, but I appreciate your input about the case. I really do. Let's continue the discussion and ignore anything that doesn't relate. Agreed.
Anon at 5:13, it is so true about the violence. I remember the sermon before the conundrum, he was talking about the fear of being split to pieces by shards of glass from his window after watching Final Destination movies. That was before the gun came out.
I really don't understand how db can use finding out your pregnant in his sermon as a negative thing which pushes people away. Seriously? U just lost your wife and unborn child and that's what he comes up with. And the whole tight pants thing is just so weird. Seems he's doing a lot of shopping these days. He also seems to put a lot of weight on worldly goods which is very unbecoming for a preacher. His whole sermon seemed geared towards justifying his behavior but he still can't get it right.
Borrowing part of Bobcat's post Feb. 5 3:57 PM-
""C’mon, sometimes when you go through really tough stuff, man, people who used to heroize you will demonize you. Man, you really do find out who your friends are when you go through really tough stuff. Man, people were like “I got your back, bro,” and there all of the sudden something happens, and you wind up pregnant, and you’re…OH, gone.
What??? This sentence makes zero sense. He goes from a slang expression guy-to-guy to "you end up pregnant". In between, "all of the sudden something happens". He leads off with guys having a conversation. So, how exactly does a guy "wind up pregnant"? No one winds up pregnant, nor is it not all of the sudden. Did Davey get someone pregnant (before/besides Amanda)? "Really tough stuff" is getting somebody pregnant or getting pregnant all of the sudden? Note the lack of taking personal responsibility for the situation and consequences with the passive "You go through really tough stuff(repeated 2x).
Interesting choice of words Davey uses with "heroize". Heroize? The expression is "idolize" (although some may use "worship"). The contrast is "idolize" and "demonize". Does Davey think of himself as a hero of sorts? While Davey does at times talk down to his audience (in an attempt to relate, to be cool, or to be humorous and entertain), he seems to be having trouble Dec.-Feb. with stringing together coherent, ordered thoughts (i.e. full sentences-having subject matter in common,proceeding in logical order, that actually make sense). His sentences, particularly from the Christmas Eve sermon until now, are pretty fractured. Considering he has no outside job and we know he likes to plan out his sermons (Twitter: pics of his notes, his Starbucks planning sessions, his early morning self-created videos, his early morning Bible studies, etc.), it's very odd. Granted he may be parenting Weston more, but Weston has the "perfect Babywise sleep-trained schedule" and "sleeps a lot". I'd be really curious to know if Davey just seems to talk manically when a sermon touches on pregnancy. My real life prevents me from researching that any time soon though. LOL
It's as if he's never had a Public Speaking class, which most colleges require to graduate. He's talked about classes where he was required to give a sermon and got his grade docked for inappropriate remarks. So, why is he having such trouble "communicating"?
Thinking this through a little more, perhaps Amanda was his practice audience and helped him edit and rehearse his sermons beforehand. Most people like to rehearse a speech before they give it or read aloud an important paper before they turn it in to be graded. He did seem to have some trouble with this in his post-murder interviews, but he'd quickly shift into "The Best Is Yet To Come" mode and talk Jesus.
I'm wondering when and why Davey decided to become a pastor. Was it while they attended NewSpring? Was it the money and adoration of the "fans" (kind of like Professional Baseball)? Was he hoping to make it big playing baseball and found out playing in college that he wasn't quite good enough to make the cut? He seemed to be overly focused on what people thought of him/his reputation/his efforts to charm and manipulate people (particularly those in authority over him), based on his sermon clips re: high school.
Maybe I'm weird, but I wonder how he passed high school or college English... to be a media relations major? Generally, people who read a lot (as Davey values) have fairly extensive vocabularies, excellent sentence structure, and evidence advanced writing styles. They tend to absorb "better" writing skills from better authors. They consistently present their information and supporting points in a logical, orderly fashion.
Perhaps Davey's "style" is mish-mash with some dumbed down Bible sprinkled in amongst his attempts to entertain and be cool/relevant. He just comes off sounding more like someone in need of medication (Ritalin, Bipolar medication, or a good substance abuse detox program). Maybe I'm just old! LOL
My 11:40 PM post above- I'm serious. I'm not trying to be mean or funny. My fellow poster Sus said at one point that she had concerns about Davey, in relation to a psychotic break. Her observations seemed very valid to me. Granted, I'm no psychologist- just a former psychology student, with a parent who ran a halfway house for mentally ill patients...it was interesting. I'm not saying or implying Davey is mentally ill. I am saying he seems to be a curious mix of anomalies, a conundrum. ;)
On one hand, he lectures on being completely sold out to God/Jesus to the point where you value Him above every thing and every one. On the other hand, he has no problem giving his wife the cold shoulder for days because his grill was accidentally dented.
He talks about forgiveness for the people who murdered his wife and baby in cold blood. Yet, he feels no need to show grace to those who would question him.
He lectures his congregation about wives not complaining or "gossiping" with outsiders about their spouses/marriage. Yet he freely discusses their sex life and marriage issues regularly for perfect strangers to hear.
He talks about loving the unlovable, "reaching Indy", and sinners being saved. Yet as a former youth minister, middle school substitute teacher, youth league coach, and present day pastor of a church meeting in a middle school, he references a specific set of people as "punk kids in street clothes".
I don't think he's really "smokin' what he's sellin' ". Actually, now that I think about it, I think he is. He's selling an image, a show to prospective buyers (a.k.a. "owners"). It's really sad because the shallow, New-Age sloganism excuse for faith that he's teaching, is not going to get anyone through a real life crisis and won't hold up through "real tough stuff". Then those poor owners will be told that they didn't have enough faith and be made to feel they failed. Or they'll simply be angry and disillusioned with "God"/"church". Just my opinion.
Fools,
You are absolutely correct. The "pregnant" line makes no sense.
He had been preaching for almost 40 minutes.
He inserted the unreliable "it/grief" story at 38 minutes.
Then he went back to talking about 1 Samuel 30, which tells about David and his army returning from battle to find their own families missing. So the men he had "trained up" turned on him and pointed at him.
Then at 39:50 "pregnant" slipped out. I think he realized it didn't make sense, because it broke his flow. It took him almost 8 seconds to start talking quickly again about being a victim.
Then he jabbers about clothes and meeting with the contractor and designer...
Then he FINALLY gets to his point of wearing the Ephod and praising God in times of triumph and tragedy. He is showing emotion by 49:00. Resonate put up that snippet of the video:
https://www.facebook.com/ResonateIndy/?pnref=lhc
Fools, I totally get what you are saying. I too have a hard time figuring out if DB is talking like this in order to relate to his audience better or if he's jut like this naturally. I feel like he speaks a certain way when he's preaching or speaking on videos but in candid home videos he sounds more normal. As an audience member I'd be kind of insulted by his manner of speaking. It's almost condescending to them. He tries to act cool, hip and talk cool to be more at their level. I understand that, in a sense, but he's overdoing it. I just can't figure out why his speeches are so weird though. Talking like you're a teen so that kids will connect with you is one thing but he is just over the top. I agree too that for all of the planning that he does, his sermons are just too much and make no sense. This is just an observation aside from his guilt or innocence in this case. I don't understand how people can be drawn to him and his rambling.
I agree with you Fools, Pak, Concerned and all above, particularly Anon from the previous page who specifically outlines Davey's admission of guilt that so clearly shows in his so-called sermons; however, I do not have a hard time figuring out if DB talks the weird way he does when speaking before audiences or is this his more natural way of speaking on videos, etc. What I find to be the case with Davey Blackburn is simple:
He will never 'git it right' because his brains are fried from doing dope, which causes brain damage. Like scrambling an egg, scrambled brains cannot be unscrambled or unfried. He is still doing dope and has been doing it all along. I have said this from the beginning. He has no remorse and he has no conscience or compassion; not for Amanda, not for God/Jesus, not for the scriptures, and not for anyone he misleads; hell, it's so obvious in his ramblings from one subject to another and back and forth, none with any concise or scripturally sound message. "Where there is confusion and strife, there is every evil work." Take your cue from the Word of God. The signs of dope usage and distorted brain damage is in every one of his words and mannerisms.
If you can't see it at a glance anywhere else, go just a few pages back to the photo of him standing between two other guys whose eyes are clear. They are standing outdoors, neither one of these guys have red nostrils or fixed staring eyes, but Davey does; and that's just one image of proof. It's in his words and has been all along. His drug and mental abuse is what Amanda had to live with, and died because of, which was horrible; while he bowed under the power of satan. ABB
ABB, I personally can't say with certainty that he is a drug user but I wouldn't be shocked a bit if it were determined to be true. As for the rest of your post, I totally agree. DB is completely devoid of all emotion, feeling. He's like a robot. He quotes scripture and struts around stage but it's all mechanical in nature. There is no emotional connection to him when he speaks. The people that respond to him on social media in support of him make me scratch my head. I'm a Christian, I'm not a brain or a scholar but I have a good moral head on my shoulders and common sense just makes me see right through him. How people are falling for him is beyond me. He's a goofball actually. He not someone I would ever look up to or aspire to be like yet he certainly feels that he is. Like I've said before, he's a legend in his own mind. My question is how is this guy succeeding? How is it that people are backing him up considering everything we know about him. The fact that he treated his wife like garbage in front of people should have appalled them right away. If my daughter was treated this way I would not be welcoming my son in law with open arms. I don't care that he's a pastor or that he quotes the bible. You lead by example and he's a terrible example. Obviously I'm not with him 24/7 but even so, he's shown us what a cad he is. Even IF the pastor side of DB is an act like I suggested then that makes it even worse because he is then a fraud. I can't come up with any positives in this situation.
Fools,
I think the word you're looking for is hypocrite. He exemplifies the classic definition of preaching one thing and behaving another way.
Like others, I think some of his oddness can be attributed to trying to relate to what he thinks his audience is going through. He just isn't any good at it. But, leakage, wow! The same old stressors keep showing up, and pregnancy seems to top the list!
Bobcat,
Re: your question about "fire".
More leakage? You can fire a gun.
The other thing, obviously, to my mind, are the fires of hell.
Crazy Davey said he moved toward the fire and sat down. Maybe he realises subconsciously, that by arranging Amanda's and Everette's murder he is moving towards the fiery pits of hell.
Who knows why the fire needed to be included? Maybe it's a bit like the invitation he gave to everyone to imagine him in the shower, yapping to God.
Bingo,
I remember the breaking glass scenario. It was bizarre. I commented at the time that it clearly showed Crazy Davey has a talent for, and a propensity to, plan a series of unlikely events which would culminate in a tragedy. After I read it, I had no doubt that he planned Amanda's murder.
Do you a link to that bit of weirdness? IIRC it started with the wind making the branches tap on the window, the window breaking and glass flying across the room to become embedded in a light socket or something......and ......shit, Ive thought of something, does it end with a fiery death?
Maybe a fire was part of Crazy Davey original murder plot.
It's funny about the Rainn Peterson case.
The police ARE looking at someone. I don't know if it's the guy who found her.
http://fox8.com/2016/02/05/trumbull-county-sheriff-shares-new-details-in-the-rainn-peterson-case/
Thanks Anon @10:23 for the update on Rainne Peterson. Thank God she was found as she would have died had she not been found fairly soon. As to how she got there, if she didn't toddle to that spot by herself and becoming exhausted, scared, thirsty and hungry she laid down. Poor little girl, she will likely never get over her fears. There had to have been an angel watching over her.
I read the articles on your update and they don't add up to much other than a partially eaten apple and a discarded cigarette found in the area, which are being tested for DNA. No word yet as to how old the apple or the cigarette was; they could have been left there long prior to little Rainne winding up in that area, will just have to wait and see what the tests results show. It seems that an old apple core would have rotted and been devoured by insects and the cigarette (butt?) would have disintegrated from the rain earlier on had they not been left there more recently.
I have not had any feelings of suspicion towards the guy who found her and would be surprised if he had placed her in the area just so he could 'find' her, knowing she could have easily died. If he did do such a thing this would be one hell-uv a sicko who needs to be locked up for the rest of his sick life.
From the beginning I sort of suspected the mother had something to do with this, thinking that she felt if she couldn't have the baby neither would anyone else, but since there was never anything one could put their finger on I didn't think much about it after Rainne was found. Guess we'll know soon what the DNA tests reveal.
Do you know if there have been any recent developments in the baby DeOrr case? Now, that's one where I suspected both parents from the beginning, with the mother at least having guilty knowledge and the father in a temper fit killing the child and disposing of him, more likely the night or day before, and probably not even close to the campsite. I suspect drug abuse among both parents. They were lousy parents, forcing this child to wear boots that were too ill fitting for his little feet, which would have caused painful blisters; as well, allowing him out in the boiling sun with no shirt or sun screen and him with very tender fair skin, you could see the sun poisoning welts on his fragile skin in subsequent photos. He would have blemished skin from this the rest of his life, maybe even skin cancer.
It appeared highly unlikely that the grandfather had any knowledge of the baby being left in his care (and wasn't), and that if he had been aware, the grandfather would have known or should have known, and he didn't. He is only 70ish and unless he's brain damaged from a stroke or something like that, there would be no reason that he would not have been mentally alert. Just because he is 70+ and has COPD (many people do, younger and older)and uses a portable oxygen condenser for air purification, does not mean he does not have a clear mind.
As for the sex offender good ole buddy, he told two different stories making at least one of his stories a lie, maybe both, so he has always been suspect as to at least having guilty knowledge that he was trying to cover up, if nothing else.
In addition to the grandfather, whose blame they tried to lay it on; the family members I feel badly for are the young half-siblings. The childrens father had been keeping little DeOrr on week-ends frequently and they had grown close to the baby; he had even hired a private plane and searchers, trying to find the baby. They loved him. I'm sure they are devastated by this. Also, their father (her ex) would know how negligent she was as a mother but he stopped talking. As for the rest of the extended family members, I don't know what to think; it seems to me like they should have known little DeOrr wasn't being taken proper care of and that his mother & baby daddy were doing drugs and not to be trusted. ABB
Pak, thanks for your response to my earlier post wherein I am stating emphatically that I believe Davey Blackburn is on drugs and has been all along. It's okay if no one else wants to believe me or whether they can see the signs of drug usage; I'm okay with that. However, to me, based on my previous experience with people like him, he shows every sign of drug abuse; that, he thinks he is cleverly concealing. NOT. Not to me.
They always do think they are being so clever and convincing and the more they try to hide it the more it shows. IFFF I'm right, and I most assuredly believe that I am; having seen all this in action more than once, he will continue to exude more evidence of drug abuse. They DO give themselves away, it's just a matter of time. IFFF it's there, and it is, it WILL become even more obvious that there could be no other reason for his unstable words and actions. He just 'thinks' he's smart but he isn't. Caution from the Word: "The double-minded man is unstable in all his ways."
Going back to Davey's permanent suspension from high school, so serious that his preacher/pastor father had to give up his growing church and lovely home that he had worked so hard for, leaving it all behind, being forced to take Davey out of state to find a new high school that would accept him, PLUS start all over with a nothing congregation in a little rented space; this HAD to be a very serious offense Davey committed that could have involved the whole school. I do believe that it involved just one coach among school officials as in the description of his termination from school the word 'coach' was used, not coaches, in defining the decision of the entire school board, when a school that size would have had more than one coach.
Inasmuch as eventually only questionable illicit sexuality at some point in Davey's life was suspected in Statement Analysis; however, I tend to question if Davey was already doing drugs in high school, with his father ultimately getting him into a Christian college after finding him a new high school, and steered him towards the ministry when he should have been prosecuted by his former high school for his illegal drug usage, counseled, and sent off to professional rehabilitation for drug and sex offenders.
My opinion: His family missed their chance for professional help by agreeing to leave town if the school agreed not to prosecute, and covered it up by starting over fresh; now a young woman/mother has been murdered and he is STILL on drugs plus performing his blatant deviate sex acts; ALL which he thinks is so well hidden. To me it's NOT. The saddest thing of all in addition to him getting away with his participation in pregnant Amanda's murder, (the pregnancy being the final straw for Davey that signed her death warrant) is that no one is protecting little Weston from his delusional insanity. ABB
ABB,
Here is where I agree with you:
"His family missed their chance for professional help"
Whatever PN picked up on right away and labelled as "crazy", DB's family has been aware of and sweeping under the rug for many years.
IMO, yes apparently they did miss their opportunity to get help for Davey, Bobcat @9:42. Davey was not of legal age when he did his dirty deeds in high school and his parents could have taken action to force him to seek professional help but elected not too; more than likely privately pleading with school officials and cutting a deal with them not to prosecute or publicize the matter which would have been terribly humiliating for his father and the entire family.
They would not have wanted the father's congregation or their friends and family to find out what he had done either. This could have been the reason they decided to keep the matter private, remove Davey from his school, quickly leave town, and deal with it within the home. Obviously, their approach failed with the problem being bigger than they were.
I am of course, speculating and second guessing as to how this ugly matter went down; but a successful pastor does not turn his back on his thriving congregation and beautiful home that he has worked for so long and so hard, and where they are so well-known and loved within their community and just walk away to strike out with nothing and no one to help him start over, not even another organization or church facility waiting for him. To find another place and walk away with nothing? This does not happen unless it was under some extreme dire circumstances; and that horrible circumstance had to be due to little Davey.
Oh yes, the spandex rainbow dude down the road knows all about crazy Davey, AND, I believe, suspects Davey's involvement in Amanda's murder. I would almost guarantee that neither Nobel or Davey's parents are sleeping well, BOTH living with their own guilt and ALL knowing they could have done something years ago but didn't, now look where they are.
NOW a woman and an unborn baby is dead and they are bound to keep their silence and live with their guilt, letting Davey go on and on with his insanity, plus leaving little Weston in a very bad situation with an evil father whose mind is absolutely unsound. And they know it. ABB
ABB, you are not the only one who suspects drug abuse. His eyes were so crazy dilated in one interview it was frightening. If you watch or listen to him just a year ago, he is so much calmer. I think the drug use has gotten worse in the past 6 months. I am no expert but he has become more hyped up, obsessed with violence, scattered in his thoughts and speech, etc. If there is drug abuse happening, you would could see one of the ways he became acquainted with gang bangers. Of course we all know this is all speculation. This guy is just a tragedy all around. I had forgotten about the whole high school ordeal. I think of the Duggar boy. The family should not have swept that under the rug. Some people are just not meant to be in religious or prominent positions. They end up bringing their families down with them.
Anon at 9:34. Yes the shards of glass comment was so bizarre. I believe he talked about being ripped to shreds by shards of glass in the Worship as a Weapon sermon. This is also the sermon where he shot a guy on stage two days before Amanda was killed. (You know just your normal pastoring behavior.) He was discussing Final Destination movies. It was just so odd. Those movies are so violent and depict people suffering terribly in the most horrific ways right before they die. I accidentally watched a few minutes of one on tv and I was sick to my stomach. His whole reason to bring the movie up was to talk about how watching those movies made him worry. Then he went into being afraid that the glass in his window would shatter and shred him up or something like that. I really would not like my Pastor to use horror movies as examples in his sermon.
Not discounting that he's taking other drugs, but I would certainly bet CD has been taking steroids for years, "man-made derivatives of testosterone, the male hormone. They synthesize protein and help promote muscle growth".
The side effects include mood disorders, hostility and aggression.
I would also imagine that he used these in high school and they may have been part of his troubles during those baseball days.
When one competes with his sweet non-aggressive wife, how much more would he compete with other boys and men?!
He would do "whatever it takes" so all that "best" could come, right?
Steroids were and are readily available, so all I'm saying is,
"Davey, if you're reading this, wean yourself off the drugs...all of the, so another family does't have to suffer like the Byars.
And keep talking because you're leaking all over the place and we look forward to your downfall and your perp walk.
Thanks."
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