Monday, December 28, 2015

Theory: Blackburn Murder and Spousal Involvement

The following is a composite theory based solely upon the opinions of law enforcement professionals trained in Statement Analysis.  I call it "The Baker's Dozen" where those with a minimum of 5 years experience, and a maximum of 40 years experience all weighed in on the Amanda Blackburn murder.

They have no association with the investigation and have only gleaned the information from media.

They relied upon Statement Analysis, Behavioral Analysis, and their own extensive experience in investigating homicides, as well as home invasions.  

This is a short consensus of their opinion and what they think happened.    It is a narrative of opinion.  

All parties are innocent until proven guilty, including those in custody now.  Police have stated that they knew, "100%" (from media) that the husband of the victim was not the shooter.  Suspects are in custody in the murder. This represents private opinions on the publicly stated quotes and information. 

Picture a needle with -10 to the left, 0 in the center, and + 10 to the right.  0 is neutral, while moving negative to the left, indicates potential guilt of the husband, while moving to the right suggests innocence of the husband.  

1.  Statistics

Most homicides involving pregnant women prove out to show involvement by the man close to her and the pregnancy, including husband, ex husband, estranged husband, or boyfriend.  

Jealousy can enter such cases and lead to violence. 

Some shaken baby victims, for example,  were killed by the non-biological husband, who resented the child that he did not father. In this case, it is not known if there was infidelity on the part of the victim, but there was nothing in the statements to suggest anything but the husband being the father of the unborn child.  

That the number one suspect in the murder of pregnant women is a statistic not ignored by the investigators and all felt this was important to be open to. 

2.  Relationship Quality 

In domestic homicides, the quality of the relationship is always 'front and center' in the investigation. Since husband/boyfriends are the most likely responsible, investigators ask if there was a history of marital discord. If so, the percentages move in the specific direction of the earlier statistic. 

In this case we are told by both the victim and the husband that the marital relationship was in turmoil to the point of separation, and with specific elements. 

In domestic homicides, the husband is first viewed, and then the quality of the relationship is viewed, but investigators then look for something specific to happen to cause the violence:  this is a "trigger." When a stressor or trigger is found, it also moves the statistical needle to move. 

3.  Trigger

A 'trigger' or a 'stressor' is something that pushes the relationship to the level where violence goes from thought to action; a stressor is sought to be identified by investigators.  Many times the stressor is infidelity.  This becomes an underlying anger that suppressed, can eventually surface against the child (shaken baby syndrome above) where the 'cuckolded' husband is saddled with a constant living breathing reminder of his wife's infidelity.  It may be worse if the child is a boy and looks like the biological father.  Infidelity on either part can be a trigger.  If the husband has a new love interest, it could be a trigger in the bad relationship, just as if the wife has been unfaithful to him.  

Other triggers can include sudden loss of job, change of job, loss of support, death in the family, pregnancy, and so on.  Investigators seek to learn if something within the relationship has changed making a bad relationship now worse. 

In this case, the investigators conclusively pointed to the husband's own identification of the trigger:  pregnancy. The husband specifically named the pregnancy as the stressor or trigger that made the relationship disruption, though the wife identified the husband's career as the source of discord.  

All recognized the acute obsession the husband had with his work as well as the distancing language between him and the victim as extreme.  The initial statement as well as the consistent distancing language shown towards the victim confirmed the husband's and victim's assertions about the marital discord. 

4.  Behavioral Analysis 

All investigators were bothered by the following points of the case:

a.  The timing of the home invasion 
b.  The element of violence in the home invasion 
c.  The patterns of behavior by the husband 

That each Tuesday he not only went to the gym at the same time, but always had the same pone call, at the same time on the very date of the home invasion robbery.  
That on this particular date, the husband stayed out of the home for a full 40 minutes while his wife lay dying stood out, in particular, as 'taking the coincidence too far' for reason, to the investigators.  

Although the showing off of a gun in a 'sermon' stood out, powerfully, as a revelation of what was on his mind, just days before the murder, it was the additional and apparently unnecessary delay, in the driveway, that no investigator could dismiss.  They stated that they would need to learn that this, too, was his pattern, to reduce the suspicion based upon coincidence.  

All were also confronted with the husband's lack of fear of the uncaught killers, as if he had confidence that he could not possibly be the next target.  

All attempted to 'explain away' any of these points, to justify innocence.  Each attempt, including examining religious language, did not suffice.  That there was no call for justice was bothersome, but not so much as having a home invaded and a wife murdered:  he had no fear.  This coupled with not only distancing language, but was taken with the drive for the career, all stood out as behavior suggesting knowledge of the crime.  

5.  Intelligence of Husband

This was another universal point:  he is well above average intelligence and would not have been so foolish as to hire a hitman. 

 They stated that if he orchestrated the opportunity for the crime, he used this intelligence. 

All expressed concern about local law enforcement training and/or ability to conduct a thorough interview with the husband, due to his mastery of language and intellect.  They stated that a highly skilled interviewer was needed and most expressed some concern of local unwillingness to utilize federal assistance in interviewing.  

The intelligence was noted in the publishing and commercializing of the murder; he knew how to present himself and attempt to utilize the death for the future salesmanship, including calling the murder a "story" and "event."  It was also noted that in his attempt to gain authority over others, he revealed himself in the 'shower' statement, which should stand very strongly to investigators in how to strategize the interview:  they must use his intelligence to get him to reveal the truth.  

6.  A Powerful Secret  

All stated that the analysis of the 'hidden secret lie' was likely sexuality.  This was affirmed by:;

a.  The mentor's statement about "something very wrong" in which a female would rectify
b.  The "shower" statement, which they concluded not only an association with the psychological need for cleansing. 
c.  His mentor's own wording:  while avoiding speaking of Christ's Resurrection and specific details of the victim's own life and love of Christ, the mentor spoke in sexual terms about the physical attributes of the husband indicating that sex was on the speaker's mind.  
d.  The videos.  They stated that the videos showed not only one who frequently spoke about sex, but seemed to have a need to persuade his audience of his sex drive...for women.  Examples cited included the reference to the gym, his depersonalizing of the victim in his 'we have to have sex before dinner' statement, as well as his deliberate choreographing for the audience, including clothing, bearing and appearance.  

That one would 'live a lie' is associated with continual stress and ongoing resentment, which can build over time, and be pushed to action by a stressor or 'trigger' event.  The lie, if true, that is lived, is one in which bitterness never goes away, even during happier times and can grow with time.  

If the victim knew of this secret, a sense of impotence could come over the liar, himself, and build resentment, fearful of exposure at any time, with the sense of living in a marriage of "blackmail", even unspoken, while being silently coerced into submission, lest 'she tell.'  

This can lead to great fear of not only exposure, but fear of divorce. 

A divorce would cripple his career and was not an option.  

The last portion of deep embittered feelings in living a lie is the thought that happiness or contentment may 'exist with another', only increasing resentment of the victim, over time.  

This was something heavily discussed in light of the distancing language he used.  The language of distance was consistent with resentment.  

The 'correction' of language was noted:  whether he or advisors read the analysis, there were changes made after analysis was posted.  

It was also noted, though not heavily, that the distancing language with his son (and pre born murdered child) was consistent with one 'living a lie in life', full time.  Each point continues to push the needle in the negative, lower and lower. 

7.  Home Invasions 

All pointed to the crime scene as having elements of possible staging, if, for example, she was not sexually assaulted.  In cases where the clothing is removed without sexual assault, the perpetrator may have done this for the appearance of sexual assault.  

 Other elements noted included the unlocked door combining with the routine of the gym, and the phone call, coupled with what is known about home invasions:  most seek to go in and out quickly, undetected, and want either items to quickly pawn, or cash, which would suggest prior knowledge of the home (drug dealers have cash, for example) but home invasions do not always have such violence, and if met with resistance, the violence is generally not associated with the removal of clothing.  

Questions that arose include if these same perpetrators committed violence in other robberies, and if so, what was the nature of the violence, and what was the result of the violence, warranting answers. 

Conclusion

The investigators all stated that the nature of the case pointed to anything but random.  The details all point to orchestration.  

What was asked was to consider this possible scenario:

That if the husband is involved, he would have used his intellect to orchestrate it, and would not have simply sought out a killer to be easily traced.  

He would have had contact with members higher up in the gang, through schools, or the church, who would hear an opportunity that included a severe complaint against the wife. They would  be able to send low level criminals to the right neighborhood, and to the right home, at the right time, where not only would the husband not be home, but the door would be unlocked, there would be items easily available for theft and pawning, while a 'hated woman' would be alone, hinting, but not stating, that life would be far better without her.   

Understanding that someone was willing to allow his home to be vandalized was enough of an invitation.  With complaints about the wife, especially the sexual complaints (which included public statements) would be enough 'hint' to let a gang know where an easy robbery would result and young gang's ruthlessness (dedication to the gang) could be tested.  

That the husband remained on the driveway for 40 minutes instead of taking the call inside the house upon his arrival stands out as 'all too much'  to be a coincidence.  It is not known, but apparently possible, that had he gone in 40 minutes earlier, that the stopping of the bleeding, or hinderance of it, may have saved her life.  

As they stated, everything taken together suggests orchestration of this crime.  The details each fall into place and given his intelligence, he would have 'suggested' a good place for a gang to hit, giving the address, date and time.

They needed to hear motive.  They did.  

They needed to have:  

1.  The statistics of who does this 
2.  The marital relationship weighed in the negative 
3.  The presence of a stressor or trigger taking a negative further
4.  The Behavior of the husband immediately after the murder
5.  Examined the husband's intellectual ability to pull this off
6.  A Secret, but powerful lie that is lived evidenced 
7.  Home invasions examined and factored in

They factored all of these in, with all fulfilled.  


Theories

Most theories in a homicide are presented for debate; while other theories present themselves over time.  

This is the latter. 

All these elements factored in to produce a theory that they felt would be difficult to disprove in order to be comfortable professionally.  

Some theories are presented and then examined.  In this case, the theory developed naturally, with the post crime statements and behavior.  

When a theory is developed naturally, we attempt to 'punch holes' in it, attempting to disprove it.  They found the 'needle' consistently pushing to the left, unable to make strong arguments to the contrary. 

Police, thus far, appear satisfied that they have solved the crime and that the husband is not involved.   

There are those who do not have access to the information police have suspect the husband's involvement.  







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Bad Juju said...

Thanks for transcribing the rest of that, Bobcat. I had a feeling the biopsy/autopsy thing was a reference to cutting something bad out of one's life, but I wasn't sure because I haven't watched the sermon yet.

Anonymous said...

Just so you know, I am not reading the post made by Rella @3:58, or the long post of excerpts some anonymous person made of previous posts seemingly made by me. Skimmed right over 'em. Just so you know, however, we STILL have freedom of speech in this country whether you like it or not. Git used to it. ABB

Rella said...

Those posts were made by you ABB. I remember them well. Yes we do have freedom of speech in this country. You should keep that in mind when you start to ask someone "how dare you tell me who I can and cannot respond to". And you did read my post and the other post.

Anonymous said...

ABB is predictable.

Bobcat said...

Anon @ 4:30,

DB developed an internet porn addiction at a young age. If you've seen ANY porn between 1990 - 2010, anal scenes are very, very common. DB grew up with unrealistic and unnatural ideas of married sex. This was admitted in the video where DB mentioned "bringing the butter" - and yes, this most likely references an ANAL RAPE scene from The Last Tango in Paris.

DB said it first, not ABB.

I understand that ABB has put herself in Amanda's shoes. Imagine her as an innocent bride, and then her husband 'articulating' what he would like to do to/with her. ABB is bothered by it, very bothered. Peter has allowed us to rant and vent here and for that I am thankful.

When we attack each other, we stop focusing on analyzing DB's words...and he delivers more goodies every week!

Anonymous said...

NO Rella. I did NOT read your previous post. This last one, yes. I quickly saw that your previous was about me (apparently your favorite topic is hassling me), and moved on even more quickly. Likewise, I saw just as quickly that the other long post I referred too contained excerpts for multiple former posts made by me. I don't need to read them to see that they WERE my posts.

SO?

Above all else, Miz Rella; I am not a liar. I am mindfully aware that there is a GOD watching me at all times and that God is NOT you. My fear is of the Almighty GOD and HIS judgments, and no one else. Carry on.

Thank you Bobcat for recognizing the truth. I appreciate it. You are right also in understanding that I have a very deep compassion for Amanda's suffering at Davey's hands. WHICH, she did, all the while keeping her head held high while enduring great humiliation from her dirt bag husband; just one more reason I am aware that he is/was quite capable of orchestrating her murder, possibly even the first one to disable her before he ever left the home that morning. ABB

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Bad Juju said...

Actually, Bobcat, there is absolutely nothing to indicate Davey's butter comment was a reference to Last Tango in Paris. Nothing. Can we please not start that again? One person dreamed that up and it was repeated as fact around here for pages and pages, and it is nothing but a wild guess. It could have been a reference to a more recent movie or have nothing at all to do with a movie. Some people want it to be a reference to Tango ... thats all.

And while it's certainly possible Davey has a porn problem, we have no idea at what age that happened. Where are you getting that it started at a "young age"?

Anonymous said...

It's quite bizarre how some posters continue to kiss ABB's a$$ no matter how evil and hateful she is, and they only chastise people for attacking each other when ABB gets what's coming to her. She shouldn't dish it out if she can't take it.

Many of her butt sex comments were made long after the stupid butter discussion ended. Click the links and look for yourselves. She can't stop bringing it up.

By the way, ABB, Jesus knows you made the butt sex and blow job comments, even if you refuse to admit it. Don't be ashamed! Just let your freak flag fly, girlfriend!

Bobcat said...

DB's REALLY old blog from 10 years ago - http://livingtherealworld.blogspot.com/ ...
has a link to a porn addiction website - http://www.xxxchurch.com/

(Look fast because he may take it down soon! His more recent blog has disappeared - the one with the high school lie story - but no worries, I copied and saved the text months ago.)

So, he was aware of his addiction 10 years ago.

And, we'll set aside movie references. But...
What type of sex would you bring butter for? Where would one get the idea?

Bobcat said...

DB 2/14/16

"Maybe there’s an addiction or maybe there’s a stronghold of your psyche, maybe there’s bitterness, maybe there’s mental ill, illness. Whatever it may be, maybe you’re like me and I just need to confess that stuff to somebody as the first step of healing."

addiction
stronghold of psyche (abuse?)
bitterness
mental illness

Rella said...

Miss Anne (ABB)-

I do not wish to be your god, or anyone else's. But I will call BS when I see it. And thank you, I will indeed carry on, just as you predictably will.

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Bad Juju said...

Bobcat ... Fair enough on the old blog. You're probably right about the time period.

And I've said before it's likely he has a porn problem. Why else would Amanda and Perry have to keep tabs on his phone internet use? (Unless he was talking to other women ... or both.)

With the huge amount of porn available on the internet that is far more graphic than Last Tango in Paris, I have a hard time believing Davey would waste his time watching that movie to get his jollies.




On the subject of butter (NSFW):

http://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/45-sex-positions-guys-should-know/butter-churner

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/tv-movies/list-reverses-male-female-stereotypes-sex-article-1.1401555

http://www.amazon.com/Sex-Butter-Organic-Personal-Lubricant/dp/B00HV4QVRO

Cocoa butter and shea butter are widely accepted as "green" lubricants for people who are not into anal rape.

Bobcat said...

BJJ:

I reviewed the "butter video" and you are correct. It is a leap to jump to anal rape because of his butter comment. However, it implies that DB could speed things along if Amanda didn't have enough time for sex. This is confusing to Amanda - she obviously doesn't understand the butter comment.

Using ABB's words, he is a DIRT BAG to insult her the way he does, and she looks pained to sit next to him while he describes his ongoing porn addiction after they've been married for seven years.

Here is the video transcript:

Porn
"Guys, what I have to do to fight ‘cause it’s a constant daily struggle to fight sexual temptation. It doesn’t fix it when you get married. All right. So, here’s what I have to do. I have to put, I have to get blockers or filters on all of my, um, uh, th, uh browsing devices. Got it? So anything I can access a portal of the internet, I put a filter on it, a blocker on it, so that literally Amanda and one of my really good friends who’s a pastor; they both get written accounts of every website that I’ve ev, that I visit, on a weekly basis. OK? Because I want to make no provision for the flesh. All right. Another thing is this, ‘cause believe me, if you’re savvy enough with technology, you can get around it. All right, you can download apps to kind of get around this whole thing, you know, and so I have had to dec, I have had to decide personally – I’m not saying you have to do this. This is for me. But, in order to fight this fight of purity I have had to decide I want to not have any apps that would allow me to access explicit images, that would cause me to stumble."

Butter
Amanda: But the whole time, I’m like (looks at imaginary watch) “Well, we’d better do it now while it’s eight o’clock before it’s nine-thirty and then it’s really not gonna happen, because we go to bed at ten o’clock."
Davey (interrupting): I just texted back "We can bring butter into it if you want. That’s fine.”
Amanda: (confused) What?
Davey: It’s all right. Way over her head.
Amanda: I. OK.

Rella said...

Snap-

I think your comment to me was deleted, but I do have it in my email. I read The Celestine Prophecy 15 or so years ago.

Rella said...

Anon @906-

You are very right about posters chastising others when ABB gets called on her behavior. Most everyone here can be civil and polite to one another, even when they are disagreeing, except ABB.

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, so the blogs are coming down? Is Peter going to take all the DB blogs down? I wonder why he has stopped SA on all DB related? Any chance he could be actually working on the case with LE? There has still been so much to analyze. Thanks for transcribing it all.

One thing about Davey and his sermons is it seems that he is up there trying to preach to himself. It seems he is trying to work out his own issues. He is not spiritually mature enough to be a preacher but he so bad wanted to be the next best thing. I think this is what led to him going on the downward spiral especially the months leading to AB death with all the talk of violence, addiction and sex. He seemed relieved after AB died and almost giddy whether he was involved or not. It doesn't seem to be the huge boom in sales that he once thought so now, he seems depressed, back on the downward spiral. He is not talking as much violence but seems to be more on the addiction, stronghold stuff. These are my observations and subjective opinions of course,not trying to make it more than that!!

I looked briefly on the last SA blog. It looks like Bobcat, HeyJude, Fools are on that. Believe it or not, I don't usually follow cases but this one gripped me. It has gotten me interested and I may join you guys on some of the others. I have enjoyed very much Peter's SA on this case (and miss it!) Thanks BobCat for taking over!

Anonymous said...

Anon @9:06; have you lost the ability to read and comprehend? Go back up and reread my previous posts. I did NOT deny making the earlier posts that were reposted. Why would I? I stick by all of my posts. It's YOU and your pro-Davey buds who have a problem with truth. ABB

Rella said...

ABB-

You didn't outright deny the posts were made by you. You said ".....the long post of excerpts some anonymous person made of previous posts SEEMINGLY made by me". Seemingly is the word you chose. That's why I responded to you that you did in fact make those posts, and I remember them. We can all read and comprehend.

Rella said...

Bingo-

I think what Bobcat meant with the blog coming down is that DB took down his old blog,the one from years ago.

Bingo3 said...

Rella, HA! Thanks! I think I tried to read too early this morning!

Bobcat said...

Bingo,

"One thing about Davey and his sermons is it seems that he is up there trying to preach to himself. It seems he is trying to work out his own issues. He is not spiritually mature enough to be a preacher but he so bad wanted to be the next best thing. I think this is what led to him going on the downward spiral especially the months leading to AB death with all the talk of violence, addiction and sex. He seemed relieved after AB died and almost giddy whether he was involved or not. It doesn't seem to be the huge boom in sales that he once thought so now, he seems depressed, back on the downward spiral. He is not talking as much violence but seems to be more on the addiction, stronghold stuff. These are my observations and subjective opinions of course,not trying to make it more than that!!"

Excellent opinion! He is carrying many unaddressed demons.

Kate said...

When Crazy Davey first purchased his shiney new vehicle and it was posted here, others were claiming it was a rumor and couldn't be backed up. Interesting that Davey has admitted one of the first things he did within 30 days of his wife being brutally murdered, was to go out and buy himself a 2016 SUV. Of course he didn't put it like that, but we all know that to be FACT and knew about Davey's cash purchase of the vehicle back in December, remember?

Crazy Davey's comment about butter was indeed a reference to SEX. If it was in reference to ANYTHING else, he would have went on and talked about it. Deciding it was "over" Amanda's head was a convenient way for Crazy Davey to scramble out of inserting his foot in his mouth. As much as Davey talked about Sex and having to send reports about his online internet activities to both his wife Amanda and Perry Noble indicates how severe Davey's sex/porn/abuse issues were. His butter comment goes hand in hand with the rest of his abusive language and day to day lifestyle.

Rella said...

Kate-

You are right that the butter comment was absolutely about sex. To begin with, the comment was Davey's response to what Amanda had just said, which was about sex. I don't think anyone is trying to say that the butter comment was not related to sex, but rather that it wasn't necessarily related to Last Tango in Paris, and that it doesn't mean he raped Amanda anally, which is something that's been said here. Just because someone uses a lubricant, even one that everyone else questions, does not mean the person is a sexual deviant. I'm not saying you said it, I'm just saying that I believe that's the point that was trying to be made.

Anonymous said...

No one is saying the butter comment wasn't about sex, only that it wasn't about anal rape. Hello, reading comprehension?


"Interesting that Davey has admitted one of the first things he did within 30 days of his wife being brutally murdered, was to go out and buy himself a 2016 SUV. Of course he didn't put it like that, but we all know that to be FACT and knew about Davey's cash purchase of the vehicle back in December, remember?"

You just contradicted yourself. "Davey admitted this but of course he didn't admit it." Huh?

Remember when someone contacted IMPD to ask if they were investigating Davey, and a bunch of people jumped on that person and accused them of lying? So somebody else contacted IMPD to find out if that person was telling the truth. The rumor about the SUV deserves the same scrutiny. The person who claims to have received a message about the SUV should be treated like they're full of crap until proven otherwise. There's no reason to take their word for it. Too many lies have been spead here. It is not FACT, only rumor.

Kate said...

Anonymous said...
"Interesting that Davey has admitted one of the first things he did within 30 days of his wife being brutally murdered, was to go out and buy himself a 2016 SUV. Of course he didn't put it like that, but we all know that to be FACT and knew about Davey's cash purchase of the vehicle back in December, remember?"

You just contradicted yourself. "Davey admitted this but of course he didn't admit it." Huh?
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Not sure why you would misquote me, but what I said was "Of course he didn't PUT it like that.." so let me explain to you since as Davey would say, it went over your head. I was paraphrasing what Davey said as he didn't exactly state he went out and bought a brand new 2016 SUV within 30 days of his wife being brutally murdered in their home. If you need better clarification than that, you'll have to ask someone else as I can't be any more clearer.
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Anon February 19, 2016 @ 12:10PM = Remember when someone contacted IMPD to ask if they were investigating Davey, and a bunch of people jumped on that person and accused them of lying? So somebody else contacted IMPD to find out if that person was telling the truth. The rumor about the SUV deserves the same scrutiny. The person who claims to have received a message about the SUV should be treated like they're full of crap until proven otherwise. There's no reason to take their word for it. Too many lies have been spead here. It is not FACT, only rumor.
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This is where I disagree. I don't think anyone should be treated like "crap" for bringing up unverified information, but I'm glad you at least admit how you treat others. I think absolutely people should be questioned and all things should be verified, but that doesn't mean you have a right to treat people like "crap" until that fact is verified. Question them sure, scrutinize them definitely, but do your best not to treat people like crap, it really is a poor reflection on yourself.




Anonymous said...

Kate: Your statement that "Davey has admitted one of the first things he did within 30 days of his wife being brutally murdered, was to go out and buy himself a 2016 SUV" is patently false, no matter what you said afterward. You're twisting the truth. It's a poor reflection on your honesty.

I guess you didn't catch on that I was being facetious about treating people like crap. I didn't treat the person who emailed IMPD like crap, but other people straight up called them a liar, and no one apologised for that when it was discovered they were telling the truth. For the love of Pete, someone was actually ridiculous enough to send an email to IMPD asking if the person posting here was telling the truth.

On the other hand, nobody really questioned the SUV rumor. One person gets treated badly but the other person's word is accepted as gospel.

Why should anyone believe the sender or the receiver of the message about the SUV? Where are the pictures of Davey driving the SUV? Where is the paperwork showing he paid in cash? Why weren't people emailing every car dealership in Indianapolis to confirm if it was true?

Because people believe what they want to believe whether it's true or not. That's why so many untruths have persisted here.


Anonymous said...

Anon at 2:55
For the life of me, I can't fathom why you put yourself through the agony of reading and commenting here.
It can't be good for your blood pressure, my friend.
Surely there is a pro-Davey site where you could have more fun. Nah, there probably isn't.

Anonymous said...

This isn't an anti-Davey site, my friend. It's a statement analysis blog. Are you lost?

Anonymous said...

Just havin' a little fun with you, darlin'!
Peace out.

Rella said...

Well that was very transparent.

Pak31 said...

I participate on this blog and I know it's not very nice to say things about people you don't know but I base my comments on facts. I don't accuse DB of anything unless I have the facts to back it up. Otherwise it's judging etc. that being said I DO find it odd that DB was willing so soon after ABs death to forgive her killer and his partners and even hoped that one day they'd be saved. Don't get me wrong, it takes a very strong person to be able to forgive. What I have a problem with is that one of the men shot her three times, the same man or someone else allededly raped her. She was attacked and frightened and killed in her own home. She was pregnant and she was a mother. What she must have gone through is horrible. Yet after doing all that to her, endangering the life of his son, invading the privacy of his home and its contents, and leaving DB to find her dying, he was able to forgive right away. Yet we make comments about him on a blog and we are shoe lint. He did say we should be saved or something like that but in the end he was nicer to her killers than us. Our posts are just words. These men killed his wife and unborn child, yet we are awful.

Rella said...

Pak-

I agree. I don't think the Dalai Lama would have been that quick to forgive that kind of crime and depravity.

Pak31 said...

@ABB 1:03, I do agree that DBs take on marital sex is a bit over the top. I just wanted to say that I don't believe he said that HE thinks about it 7 times a day. He told the audience that the average man thinks about it 7 times a day. I'm sure he was including himself in that statistic though. Also as far as him being a rapist, that's just to much for me to go with. I mean, Amanda spoke about it to the audience. She didn't seem like she was in fear or mad about it just kind of saying that her husband wants it all the time. As far as I can tell, she was never forced against her will to partake in any intimate moments with her husband. Doesn't mean she never was but I see no evidence of that. If we learn that she didn't consent to these encounters then yes that would be rape. If she participated but wasn't in the mood or did it just to please him, that isn't rape. Also, without full knowledge of him as a person, we don't know if his stories about all of this are even true. They may be made up or exaggerated to get a message across to his people. Im not in his corner or siding with him at all, trust me, but claiming rape is a strong accusation. I just don't see that we have that proven here. Again I get where you're coming from. He has strange and old fashioned ideas of how wives should act and it's very demeaning. Very.

Bingo3 said...

Exactly Pak. DB should have gone through the grieving process and that includes anger! He should have been beyond angry! He should have acted a wee bit concerned about finding his wife's killers but he wasn't. He preached a sermon not that long before her death where he said he would put a glock in someone's head if they hurt someone he loved (something close to that) His tune sure did change when his lovely bride was brutally killed while his baby son was in the house. HOWEVER, if you question him and his odd behavior, then you are shoe lint. At least he thinks we can all be saved. On this thread, it is not like we are publicly taking shots at him, we are just discussing the case on an old blog thread. He would have to work really hard to get on here and read everything. There have been a lot of people publicly saying thing on youtube, twitter, etc. especially when he was on the Nothing is Wasted public tour because everyone was shocked at his behavior!

Pak31 said...

One more comment. Regarding the whole butter thing. What he said I. That comment was gross and inappropriate(during a church type service). If you're at a party with friends and someone makes a joke like that, it's still bad but more acceptable. IMO. I think DB said it to be funny, because in his mind he's so cool and his hip preaching is so awesome). It was tasteless and tacky. I highly doubt he and Amanda used that during their marriage. It was just a disgusting reference said in order to get a laugh. Not funny.

Anonymous said...

DB make a gross and inappropriate comment in church? Nahhhhh.

Anonymous said...

Comment made today on Peter's latest post:

"BTW I apologize if this has already been discussed in a previous post. I haven't read or participated much since the strange Amanda Blackburn trolls took over in the fall. I was annoyed reading 200-300 posts from people who weren't using statement analysis to discuss the situation, were arguing illogically, seemed to say the same thing day after day, and were being mean to each other."

Rella said...

Pak31 @537

I agree with every word of your post, and you said it very well. I think that there may have been times where, like you said, she wasn't in the mood and did it anyway to please him, but not rape. Also, now that you said what you said about the butter, I can see him saying something like that trying to be what he thinks is hip/cool/funny. I think a lot of what is says is for that same reason.

Rella said...

Yesterday's sermon from Davey is posted. I just watched 5 minutes, and it promises to be rich.

Bobcat said...

That was quick! I won't be able to listen/transcribe until tomorrow.

mom2many said...

Davey should really read and follow the preaching advice in this article, http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/63398.

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, can't wait to read your SA!! AND, M2M! Thank you for sharing the article. DB, as well as many modern pastors should read every single word of it! This whole trend of modern pastoring just bothers me but I am in my early 40's, so most likely I am not in the age group they are trying to reach. I so agree with the following:
"The pulpit speaks of the centrality and importance of the Word of God proclaimed, and it relativizes the preacher into a proper place: disciplined and called to stay behind the Word. Harness the personality to the Word. The preacher stalking the stage with an open Bible is a scene out of balance: the preacher and his personality are overly emphasized. The Word is literally being “used” by the preacher before our eyes."

It has become way too much about the pastor and not God. This blogger caught onto DB type pastoring pretty early on and I think this is also an insightful blog.

http://elizabethkcasey.com/2015/11/20/davey-blackburn-and-signs-of-a-spiritually-unhealthy-church/

Bingo3 said...

And I am not saying I think all churches should bring back the pulpit, this case has just brought to light some bothersome trends. This is just an example of many things. One other thing is how DB/some modern pastors continually says "I am just like you. I am in the same boat." Didn't God call pastors to a different standard? Isn't there responsibility to that position? Aren't you called to spiritual lead people? I am not sure if I am getting my point across but what are your guys thoughts on this?

Rella said...

Bingo-

I agree with what you're saying. I understand your point. I think there is a higher standard for the men and women who are spiritual leaders. Davey as a pastor is very hard for me to take seriously. He's trying to hard to be hip/cool/funny, and sermons are neither the time nor place for that. He tries too hard to relate to everything.

Bobcat said...

I don't see the new sermon yet - it's still Just Drink the Water.

Rella said...

Bobcat-

My apologies!! I was looking at it incorrectly!!

mom2many said...

Bingo3,
I think the problem really begins when pastoring becomes a career, and it is embarked on by the young. They need to be wise from experience and seasoned in the Word. And they are called out by their congregation, not because they took some skills inventory in high school and decided they would like a stage career.

Bingo3 said...

Rella, yes trying to be too hip and too relevant and not enough about serving and sharing God's Word. Mom 2 Many, too young and immature for sure! DB acts like he is 18 in my opinion. He seems a bit stunted. 30 can be an ok age to preach if maybe your coming off years of seminary and work under another pastor for several years. Without seminary and training (and hello, a true calling) it becomes exactly what M2M said, an easy stage for a person who needs the attention. It is very bothersome.

Hey Jude said...

Amanda seemed mystified by Davey's butter comment - I'd take that as an indicator that Davey, Amanda, butter, and anal sex, did not happen - you'd think she might have a clue as to what he was referring, if he had been. I think Davey was most likely making a poor taste joke when he mentioned butter. It's too great a jump to make from a mention of butter to anal rape. Adolescent humour - even if it was on his fantasy or real 'to do' list, I doubt it would have been with Amanda.

Anonymous said...

mom2many - The contents at that link are so illuminating about all the things wrong with Davey as a pastor. Totally spot on, all the points, to highlight a couple:

"Don’t talk about your sermon preparation. Nothing shouts self-importance more than “I spent 30 hours pouring over this text.” And if you claim “the Holy Spirit changed my mind at the last minute,” I tend to think something else entirely is going on."

"You should, if you are truly called and prepared, be able to put together a good talk in a couple of/few hours. If it takes you 25 hours to create a sermon, I am deeply suspicious of what you are up to and why. Did your people call you to live in the study?"

Bingo3 said...

I wish some of us could find a private forum to discuss away from this old SA thread. Maybe we can figure it out sometime.

From the article M2M shared "Preaching robes are a fine idea for evangelical ministers. Obviously not for everyone, but they are a good middle ground between showing off a suit and being so casual that worship leading seems almost inappropriate."--- This one is huge to me. I don't think a minister has to wear a robe but a nice, casual suit is good. Or even an appropriate pair of pants and nice shirt. These skin tight legging pants, silk see through shirts, leather jackets, backwards hats are just not appropriate. Steve F from Elevate was actually preaching a pretty good sermon on cable this morning but I just couldn't get past his extremely tight pants and tall black combat boots. It was so odd and distracting. Reminds me of DB and those legging things he wore a few weeks back. It all comes back to it being all about the person on stage and not about God's Word. This case has really made me more aware of this trend of pastoring.

Rella said...

Bingo-

I could do that on my Blogger page.

Rella said...

Bingo-


http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/?m=1

Rella said...

The new sermon is up......Overcoming the Valleys.

Bingo3 said...

Oh Awesome Rella! Thanks.

Concerned said...

Bingo,
I'm trying to spend less time thinking about the case because the injustice just makes me crazy
but I'd like to see a discussion continue so CD can continue to feel the heat!

Regarding his work clothing...whatever is he thinking? It's almost cartoonish.
I know he's trying to visually High Five those school kids but to what end? They don't have any money to donate.
Does he expect to get to their parents (and their pocketbooks) through them?
But does anyone want spiritual counseling from a fake hipster? Not me!

Rella said...

Concerned-

I don't want spiritual counseling from any person who would stay angry at his wife for 2-3 days over a dropped grill.

Concerned said...

Rella,
Or anyone so turned on by shocking people in church with graphic sex talk.
Or anyone who thinks he is singlehandedly leading the next great wave of Christianity.
Or anyone who gets positively giddy over humiliating his father-in-law in his own church.
The list could go on and on....

Rella said...

Concerned-

Yes!!!!

Bottle Cap said...

Concerned:

Or anyone whose "sermons" are filled with violence
Or anyone whose mentor calls him crazy

concerned said...

Or anyone whose mentor is just as crazy as he is but hires him anyway because SOMEbody's got a secret!

Bingo3 said...

Thanks to Rella for setting up a new discussion page! We are now up and talking!


http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/?m=1

Bobcat said...

From DB's 2/21/16 sermon:

"When people ask this question all the time, they go “Well, do you think God did this, to Amanda?” No. Not at all. Scripture makes it very clear that God. No evil can come from God, and what was done to Amanda was evil. Did God allow it? He could have stopped it. And I’m gonna have to be quite honest with you. I wish that I understood all of what God was allowing and planning up there but if I could wrap my mind around God, guess what? I wouldn’t worship him. Because if He wasn’t a mystery to me, and I could figure it all out, guess who then would be God? Me. And so somehow, in all of this, He’s allowed this to happen, and on this side of eternity, I’m not sure I’ll ever understand to the full extent why? But I do believe that when I see Jesus face to face, that he’ll give me answers, and he’ll reveal to me this master plan. Almost like the back side of a quilt, right? You look at the back side of a quilt, something’s been woven and it’s this quilt, and it doesn’t make a lick of sense what’s going on because the back looks like all of these strings and all these different things, but then you flip it over on the other side and it’s a masterpiece. And somehow I feel like that that’s gonna, phhhh, my eyes are gonna be opened to that, and it’s gonna make sense."

Bobcat said...

DB 2/21/16:

"I, I remember sitting and eating someplace one time when I was, like, ka-, I was scared where I was eating. We were in, we were in Boston, and we were in, down, like, a, a, a little part called Little Italy. And, and I was, like, I, uh, uh, noticed this conversation going on at this table over beside me and, and, only a couple people were eating, and there were these guys that like, legitimately looked like they came straight out of The Godfather movie. And so I just eavesdropped on the conversation and it made me really nervous, when I started hearing one of ‘em say, “I got it, boss. I got it taken care of. I got a guy. Don’t worry.” I was like, ahhhh, like I was intimidated in the presence of my enemies but, but what, what I believe Jesus wants to do if you let Him, in verse 4 is that He wants to make you dangerous. Because a dangerous person can sit and dine in the presence of his enemies."

Bobcat said...

Still a liar:
I'm gonna have to be quite honest with you.

Does DB believe that the orchestration of Amanda's hit was a masterpiece?
Who was the boss?

Bottle Cap said...

In the latest "sermon" CD uses the word "door" six times unnecessarily. He mentions the "light(s)" three times.

Peter has said, "When "door" is used unnecessarily, it is that we should explore childhood sexual abuse."

Peter says: "Lights
Doors Opening/Closing, windows opening/closing
Coverings; blankets, towels, etc
Water; washing, bathing, showering, laundry, etc

as possible linguistic indications of sexual activity including sexual abuse."

CD talks a lot about that toy room. Is it sensitive to him? He says, "You, you can go in and, there’s nothing that’s gonna hurt you in there. There’s just toys." Hmmm.

Pak31 said...

I hate to admit this but the quote that Bobcat posted from DBs sermon at 8:03 pm, is how I personally feel about God. DB said what I would say in response to that question (when people wonder why God lets bad things happen). I'm not defending him in any way shape or form, trust me I'm not! I'm just being honest. Was his analogy about the quilt inappropriate? I'm not sure. It doesn't raise red flags for me as much as many of his other statements do. Now the follow up with the mob guys. Kind of creepy to me. I don't like when he references these things when his wife died violently. Those types of statements seem a bit out of line.

Pak31 said...

Interesting post Bottlecap @ 10:46.

Pak31 said...

Looks like nothing new but I see from the Instagram pic that 13 more people were baptized by DB today. Looks like mostly a group of young people.

Bad Juju said...

http://www.wthr.com/story/31385107/amanda-blackburn-murder-suspects-in-court-friday

Anonymous said...

"I got it, boss. I got it taken care of. I got a guy."

Leaking. Like. A. Sieve.

How anyone can doubt CDs involvement in his wife's death, is beyond me.

PS: re lights and doors, let's add blankets, (or patchwork quilts)

PPS Is CD changing his "God spoke to me in the shower" message? I thought God had made it clear to CD that Amanda had to die so
God's "bride" would come to life.

Pak31 said...

Anon 9:28, can you elaborate? I don't fully understand your post.

Bobcat said...

I wonder if DB is the boss, and Meg is the "enemy" he dines with.

Bobcat said...

...or DB is the boss, and Meg knew a guy. She's been around, and she knows when to stay quiet.

Anonymous said...

Hi Pak and Bobcat,

I meant CD is implying that he overheard mob/gang members organising a professional hit. An execution style murder committed by "a guy".

The boss doesn't have to worry about being connected to it because he doesn't know " the guy".

A bit like CD organizing Amanda's murder? The gang members are bad guys ( the enemy) CD had to make himself "dangerous" so that he could sit with them (at Starbucks?) and discuss plans for the murder.

I'd like to add that CD is crazy. I believe the "worship as a weapon" sermon clearly telegraphs his intent to have Amanda murdered. In particular, the nightwatchmen bit.

Pak31 said...

Thanks Anon 12:18. That cleared up most of your comment but did CD actually say this somewhere? Was it in a recent sermon? Thanks in advance.

Anonymous said...

Yep. It's here. Bobcat posted it.

CD in little Italy eavesdropping on the mafia.

Bobcat said...
DB 2/21/16:

"I, I remember sitting and eating someplace one time when I was, like, ka-, I was scared where I was eating. We were in, we were in Boston, and we were in, down, like, a, a, a little part called Little Italy. And, and I was, like, I, uh, uh, noticed this conversation going on at this table over beside me and, and, only a couple people were eating, and there were these guys that like, legitimately looked like they came straight out of The Godfather movie. And so I just eavesdropped on the conversation and it made me really nervous, when I started hearing one of ‘em say, “I got it, boss. I got it taken care of. I got a guy. Don’t worry.” I was like, ahhhh, like I was intimidated in the presence of my enemies but, but what, what I believe Jesus wants to do if you let Him, in verse 4 is that He wants to make you dangerous. Because a dangerous person can sit and dine in the presence of his enemies."
February 25, 2016 at 8:07 PM

Leave_Meg_Alone said...

Proverbs 13:3 "Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin."

Proverbs 19:9 "A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish."

What does it mean to bear false witness?
http://praise.com/questions/what-does-it-mean-bear-false-witness

Bobcat said...

LMA

"Proverbs 13:3 "Whoever guards his mouth preserves his life; he who opens wide his lips comes to ruin.""

------

Do you listen to DB's 'sermons'?

Leave_Meg_Alone said...

"Davey Blackburn's behavior excuses my behavior." Is that what you mean, Bobcat?

Bobcat said...

Meg's Blog 12/30/2008:
"I am selfish– I constantly put my needs before others. I will take the good seat, I will push to get to the front, I will get up for something to drink and not ask if anyone needs anything.AND, I talk about my self…a lot!
I am stubborn–I will not back down from my opinion, don’t ask me to, because I’m not afraid of an arguement. I am always right and I don’t change for anything short of an earth shattering moment of revelation.
I am lazy–I would rather drive than walk, I would rather wait 15 minutes for a bus than walk for 5 minutes, and I would rather lay in bed till 8:30 than get up at 8 to spend time with God.
I am unforgiving–I will say that I have “forgiven and forgotten” but I can not fully forgive because my ego has been hurt in some way. My pride is bigger than my willingness to love.
After writing this all out, I’m glad that no one really reads my blog. Secretly I hope someone sees this and maybe sees some of themselves in me. I am not these things all the time and I know that I am made whole in Christ, but I am still flesh. It is a daily battle of letting God be seen through the mess that I am. Even more though, letting GOD be seen inspite of my weaknesses."

As I said before, Meg knows when to stay quiet. She's smart.

Bobcat said...

"My pride is bigger than my willingness to love."

This is sad AND disturbing.

Bobcat said...

https://megs71385.wordpress.com/

Leave_Meg_Alone said...

"Meg made a blog post seven years ago admitting she has faults and isn't a perfect Christian, so it's okay for me to accuse her of murder, even though it isn't true." Yes, Bobcat?

Bobcat said...

I don't think Meg was part of DB's orchestration, but I do think she knows that he isn't grieving. She's no dummy and, as his assistant, knows his faults very, very well. She knows that he needs his narcissistic supply and is happy to provide i.e. green room... Why else would she call herself "VP of Awesome"?

Bobcat said...

LMA,

Is it still OK for us to suspect DB as the master conductor? I'm guessing your appearance here is to make sure we know that Meg is 100% innocent? Thanks - it's good to rule her out!

Leave_Meg_Alone said...

"Bobcat said...
I don't think Meg was part of DB's orchestration, but I do think she knows that he isn't grieving. She's no dummy and, as his assistant, knows his faults very, very well. She knows that he needs his narcissistic supply and is happy to provide i.e. green room... Why else would she call herself "VP of Awesome"?"



I'm guessing your appearance here is to tell everyone everything Meg thinks, feels and knows. Are you psychic, or are you Meg herself? Because you sure seem to know a lot about what's going on in her head for someone who is presumably a total stranger.

Pak31 said...

@leavemegalone, this is a group discussion. People here are discussing a situation and making statements based in what they have observed, read, or heard. Not trying to speak for Bobcat but he/she is stating things as fact just opinion. Bobcat isn't telling people here everything about Meg, just expressing an opinion. None of what is said is fact. Don't you ever encounter a situation, read a story or watch a news program and then form an option as to what might have happened? Tons of people argued about OJ Simosons trial/case and either said guilty or innocent. It's normal human behavior. That's all we're doing here. Like sitting in a big group and talking about how we feel. We could all be completely wrong in everything we've said here but it's not being stated as fact. Some people can get rude and act like they are positive about what happened and that isn't right with out proof. Bobcat isn't doing that.

Bobcat said...

Pak31

"Not trying to speak for Bobcat but he/she is stating things as fact just opinion."

Did you mean to say isn't stating things as fact? Thanks for explaining either way.

...................

LMA,

"Because you sure seem to know a lot about what's going on in her head for someone who is presumably a total stranger."

Some of my statements may have been interpreted as fact, but as Pak31 said, *most* of what is written here is opinion. Presumably, I AM a total stranger to Meg. Unfortunately, due to her close relationship to the lives of DB and Amanda, Meg has come under investigation here.

I have read her old blog. This has given me insight into her mind.
I found her youtube favorites list. The video about how to tell if your roommate is gay gives me a clue that she MIGHT know more about DB than she will ever let on.
I have studied her family tree. The apple doesn't fall far, and her prominent relatives show vast intelligence. However, she also comes from a blended family, something that surely has had an effect on her life.

So, in a way I am a total stranger, and in a way I am not.

Why won't you drop this if you want us to truly Leave Meg Alone?

Bobcat said...

Kate, Anyone, Batsymbol!!!!!!

Megs handwriting and Amanda's journal handwriting!

Meg:
https://twitter.com/MegsGriff/media?lang=en&lang=en

Amanda:
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/685936757846749185/photo/1?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=daveyblackburn&utm_content=685936757846749185

Bobcat said...

Here's a better handwriting comparison photo:

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9yFyAxwlY00/Vuw92SiFXjI/AAAAAAAAAB8/sO8f9FTBrvIftb_SEnSfVEAorhtH9ZxBQ/s1600/handwriting%2B-%2BCopy.png

Bobcat said...

Apologies for the multiple posts.

Leave Meg Alone has prompted renewed interest and I have found a handwriting sample of Meg's that closely resembles Amanda's "journals"

A dedicated blog topic can be found here:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/03/megs-handwriting-and-amandas-journal.html?m=1

SHL said...

O.....M.....G!!! So Meg was controlling Amanda's Instagram account the whole time! Even when Meg was in a different state, she was writing fake do-gooder notes and forcing Amanda to post them! Amanda didn't do all those nice things! It was all fake and written by Meg!!!

Anonymous said...

Well that's just ridiculous.

SHL said...

Anonymous what is it ridiculous??? Bobcat discovered Meg wrote Amanda's journal and the handwriting in Amanda's Instagrams matches the journal so Meg must of wrote all of it! We don't even know what Amanda's writing looks like because it was all done by Meg!!

Leave_Meg_Alone said...

Bobcat said...

"Leave Meg Alone has prompted renewed interest"

*****

I'm responsible for YOU bringing up Meg a few days ago and suggesting she was involved in the murder? It's silly to lie when everyone can see who brought it up.

Be honest - you never lost interest. You make up stories about her moving back in with Davey Blackburn and caring for his son, stalk her old blogs - even dig though her flippin' family tree. You actually believe you "know" her. Obsessed, much?

Now you've got people believing that Amanda's "random acts of kindness" posts on Instagram weren't even made by her. Nice job. You must be so proud.

Bobcat said...

"even dig though her flippin' family tree"

You left a tell, Perry.

"My Flippin Toe Hurts"
https://perrynoble.com/blog/my-flippin-toe-hurts

"Flippin Fire Ants Should Be Sent To Hell"
https://perrynoble.com/blog/flippin-fire-ants-should-be-sent-to-hell

"And when we get our eyes on Jesus, He will blow your flippin’ minds."
http://churchrelevance.com/tag/perry-noble/

"it DOES NOT FLIPPIN’ matter what is worn to church" and
"this doesn’t flippin’ matter to some superficial Christians"
https://perrynoble.com/blog/superficial-sunday-in-the-south

---------------------------

I tossed up the Meg idea on the 14th and let it thud. But your appearance here showed that something had hit a nerve - too close for comfort maybe? When you pressed the issue, it made me wonder if I was on the right track. Even though I don't think Meg was part of the plan, as I said before, her closeness to both DB and Amanda made her worthy of investigation.

Your closeness to DB and Amanda has made you an interesting subject as well.

Anonymous said...

Matthew 6:1
“Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
2 So when you give to the needy, don’t announce it with trumpets like the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets to be honoured by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full!
3 But when you give to the needy, don’t let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4 so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.”

Leave_Meg_Alone said...

Bobcat said...

"even dig though her flippin' family tree"

You left a tell, Perry.


++++++


I'm not Perry Noble, Sherlock - but it probably makes you all tingly to think that I am, lol. Do you really think he gives a hoot what people say about Meg? I doubt it.

He'd probably laugh because you've essentially dedicated your life to Davey Blackburn at this point. You're like the president of Davey's fan club, breathlessly announcing when each new sermon or Instagram photo is posted.

If you don't really think Meg was involved, what kind of $#&@*& do you have to be to suggest that she was? Is this some kind of twisted game that fills the huge void in your life? Have you no soul?

Bobcat said...

LMA,

This article points to DB orchestrating Amanda's murder.
DB recently "leaked" a quote about an organized hit.

You can ignore us here in this tiny little part of cyberspace, seeing as how Indy PD has the alleged murderers in custody.
or...
You can continue to draw attention to the unknown intricacies of the relationship between DB/Meg/Amanda.

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/11/davey-blackburn-best-is-yet-to-come.html

Pak31 said...

Oops Bobcat. So sorry I meant to say isn't but now looking back I shouldn't have assumed what you were saying. I really was trying to back you up but I now see how it can be a bit messed up if I speak up. I just got upset at what the other poster said and wanted to comment. No ill will but I will not speak for others from now on.

Bobcat said...

Pak31

No worries!

Pak31 said...

Thanks Bobcat. Just got finished reading the link you posted. So interesting. Even though I read it before it makes me think!!! I've had coworkers lose close family members in that last month and the way they are compared to DB amazes me. This was a husband losing his wife. These are people losing parents which is different but similar. They aren't uncontrollably crying but they are sad and emotional. I understand that Christians who believe that loved ones go to a beautiful and wonderful place once deceased is a normal thing, it still should produce some human feelings. I believe and I feel my family members are in heaven and happy but I still grieve them when they pass because I am human and on this side of the realm or whatever it should be called. DB never seemed to be affected by Amandas passing, so violent and premature. I would pay money to know what was said by DB to the responding medical team at his house that night.

Anonymous said...

Hi all,
I just read on another thread, a statement by CD comparing himself to William Walace in Braveheart and saying that the movie had "come alive" for him, because WW wife was murdered ( just like Amanda!) and WW sought retribution (not at all like CD)

I'm not sure why the statement is so distasteful to me. I am almost enraged by it, and am curious as to why it affects me like this. Maybe it is because:

WW DID seek retribution for his murdered wife.

CD has not.

On the contrary, CD has meekly, weakly, said that he has made a decision to forgive his wife's murderers. He does not speak of their redemption, or visit them in jail to save their souls. He does not speak of gang violence or how Jeebus can offer gang members salvation, despite their heinous crimes. Nada. He is doing precisely nothing. He is not fighting for either retribution, or the souls of the men who murdered his wife.

The comparison of himself to WW sickens and disgusts me, and would still, even if I didn't believe he had orchestrated Amanda's murder.

He has gone the beach, played golf and gone on mountain retreats to write songs. He has bought himself a new car. He has met. With I terror designers. He accepts free tickets to ball games.

Anyone LESS like William Wallace is difficult to imagine. CD is a spineless, confused, narcissistic psychopath. If the best is truly yet to come, CD will be squealing "freedom!" from behind a prison wall, in the not too distant future.


Anonymous said...

*met with interior designers, not I terror designers (although it kinda fits)

The repeated references to movies and movie stars, by a pastor, are a bit disturbing. He really appears divorced from reality.

Anonymous said...

DB is acting like OJ did after he murdered his wife... Playing golf, taking trips, hanging with his buddies....

How can these men lack a conscience? Oh, I know... they're narcissistic sociopaths.

Anonymous said...

OJ is innocent. Like CD is innocent.

Bobcat said...

DB also referenced Liam Neeson. An actor whose real life wife, Natasha Richardson, died. Compare a grief-stricken interview photo of Liam to a 'grief-stricken' interview photo of DB.

DB's interview photos look like OJ and Scott Peterson - annoyed and contemptuous.

Bingo3 said...

DB posted that all the traveling was "healing" for him. Healing from what? All the fame, money, prestige and all the money coming from your speaking, album and book sales? Whatever, DB, you have a lot of people fooled but I still have hope that the truth will come out soon.

Anonymous said...

What's the name of the book? What's the name of the album? Where is it being sold? How many speaking engagements has he been hired and paid for?

Bingo3 said...

He obviously came into money and has plenty now indicated by what he has said and obviously by the frequent trips, new clothes, car etc. He has JUST put up his hire Davey to speak site and the album is currently in production per his words. The book has not been spoken about but I am sure it is in the works. I sure hope her sister will do one first because I assume hers will be done beautifully and proceeds would go toward what Amanda would hold dear.

Bingo3 said...

Prediction for name of book: Amanda's Story:Nothing is Wasted.

Anonymous said...

But you said he's got "all the money coming from speaking, album and book sales." HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE if the album is in production, there is NO book (even if you're "sure" it's in the works, which is meaningless) and he "just" put up his speaking job site. Are you completely full of garbage or what?

Bingo3 said...

I meant future by saying "coming" and now I remember why got off this thread! Ha! I just pray for truth to come out (and I really still believe it will!!!), we have other forums where we can discuss without people having to bash one another. See those of you on those closed groups and our discussion group.

flightfulbird said...

There are some random anonymous posters who are still defending Davey Blackburn but the overwhelming sentiment is that he knew this “event” was going to happen. There's just no way there are this many coincidences and contributing circumstances without his being involved somehow.

The unlocked door is one of the most major red flags -seriously. These thugs entered the other burglarized homes that morning through back doors where they wouldn't be visible, then somehow randomly chose the Blackburn house for their next target and then just happened to think "why not try the front door on this one instead of going around back where we'll be less obvious"?

If they were intending to burglarize that house as a random target and did not absolutely know for sure that the front door would be unlocked, they never would've taken the chance on being seen walking up the walkway and trying that door -risking the exposure and being seen by people leaving for work, outside for a run, walking their dogs -the cameras.

And who remembers specifically that they left the door unlocked that morning and then helpfully informs the police of that fact (this was stated in the affidavit). If I remember correctly, it said something like "Davey Blackburn stated he had left the front door unlocked".

In all of his interviews, there have no signs of thinking and rethinking "if only I hadn't left the door unlocked” - if only I hadn’t been at the gym - or hadn't stayed on the phone on the driveway when I got home, then I could’ve called 911 sooner. Davey and Amanda lived in a higher crime area but he left his wife and baby (maybe) sleeping, alone in the November darkness. It seems there would be an overwhelming sense in his mind of "if I hadn't left the door unlocked, maybe they would've gone to a different house" - or something?

About rethinking things - my parents and I just lost our cat to a condition that is treatable but usually always a fatal ending. It had been going on for two months. They had been taking her to the specialist vet for chest fluid taps when her breathing rate escalated, giving her shots of steroids and diuretics three times a day at home, keeping constant watch over her to make sure the vets could intervene and treat her in time when she needed it before the fluid affected her breathing - knowing the whole time that we would have to make a choice to end her life if her condition deteriorated and couldn’t be reversed. They waited a bit longer in between taps this last time because she seemed to be doing fine - took her in on Wednesday but she didn’t bounce back from the tap as usual - ended up in an oxygen cage and in a critical situation so the three of us gave her the most peaceful ending to her life as we could, on Thursday.

It has been just over 48 hours since then and I can’t keep it together - can’t stop the tears and the memories - can’t stop thinking what if I had told them to take her back to have the vet check her at the end of last week - or on Monday or Tuesday - instead of waiting until Wednesday - then maybe her condition could've been treated and stabilized again and she'd still be with us. It goes on and on and on every waking hour - and this was a CAT. A precious, sweet whiskered cat - but not a human - not a wife who you found assaulted and with gunshot wounds, lying in a pool of blood on the floor -completely unexpectedly when you came home from the gym. Imagine the trauma IF it wasn't known in advance that it was going to happen - then imagine being able to speak about it without breaking down - within days after it happened - to so many news outlets at such great length.

My parents and I had since January 25th to prepare our minds that this day was going to come and it’s still just so hard to believe our cat is gone forever. So, the dry-eyed interviews with Davey twisting his ring and trying so hard to look sad and talking about forgiveness and the best is yet to come- none of this rings true.

flightfulbird said...

Bingo3 and Bobcat and others, would you feel comfortable posting all of the other forum sites for discussion? I found the one on DataLounge and the one linked upthread (Blackburn Discussion) - also a Justice Seekers Facebook page. I have been watching all of these along with this one and want to get every scrap of information I can about this case.

This. Isn't. Over.
Those of us who believe there is more to this story cannot let it fade into obscurity.

Bobcat said...

I'm sorry to hear about your cat. I've had a number of cats over the years, and it's always sad to let one go. Please take comfort in knowing that your family went above and beyond in giving your cat the best care until the very end.

Thank you so much for posting here today.

I am happy to share and post anything that helps keep people looking at DB!

I have yet to listen/transcribe the Blood(!?!??) Sermon he did a few weeks ago, but I still intend to asap.


Bobcat said...

Scott Blackburn 11/24/15 facebook:

"Just want to say a thank you to all my FB friends. As you may or may not associate names, Amanda Blackburn was a family member. I don't post a lot on here, but I haven't heard a rush to judgement from anyone I know. Thank you for that. If you met anyone in this family, you would step back and say 'Wow'. Truly incredible family. Thankful that they have suspects in custody and hope that they have the right people. All prayers still going out for Davey and Weston."

Scott is DB's 2nd cousin. They have many mutual facebook family friends but are NOT friends with each other. He KNOWS DB.

Prayers for DB and Weston are an afterthought in this post. He thanks his friends TWICE for not rushing to judgment.

How has the Blackburn family been judged in the past by people who know them?

Anonymous said...

I shouldn't do this, but Davey is going to figure it out soon if he hasn't already. He FINALLY posted a loving and appropriate remembrance of Amanda today - Easter. It has over 2200 likes. Compare that to the 300 likes for the next post about 17 salvations.

If Davey uses Amanda in his promotional materials, as an example of a near-perfect Christian woman, he may get the awesome megachurch he's been dreaming of. But it will be because of AMANDA, and because he uses her as an example and puts her on a pedestal. It will NOT be because of Davey. It will be because of the beautiful ageless product.

What a sales pitch.

Amanda took old garbage and made it useful. It might have still been a little shabby but that's OK. Even if you feel like garbage because of what's happened in your life, God loves you and you are useful even if you feel a little shabby.

Pak31 said...

Flightfulbird, so sorry about your kitty. It's hard making the decision to end a life and even harder to deal with that pain of them being gone. You know it was the right decision but it's still not easy. Your analysis was perfect though. Such a great example that dally makes you think about how little DB reacted in his situation. For any normal human, losing your spouse, your pregnant spouse would be traumatic. To lose her in such a horrific and unexpected manner though? I know we are all different but that alone should bring someone to their knees. Their whole life crumbling before them. Everything. Your everything just gone. Your whole life changed overnight. Yet he didn't seem fazed one bit. People who back him claim his faith kept him strong but I'm sorry, DB is just as human as the rest of us. I believe ALL my loved ones are in heaven and I did feel better knowing that but it's still difficult parting with that person on a human level. How can a person just be so nonchalant and feel yea, she died but she's in a much better place now so it's all good? I guess some people dint show emotion. My dad is real thick skinned. Never saw him cry until my maternal grandpa passed. He got watery eyed. So I guess it's possible. But it wasn't my mom, his wife. I continue to be unconvinced that DB wasn't involved in ABs murder. I really wish we could have answers to what his behavior was like with medics, police, hospital staff. On a side note imdomhave to say it's disappointing to voice an opinion about this case and have an annoymous poster pick it apart. It's like you can't even have an opinion. I too would like to go to some of the other sites to discuss rationally.

Rella said...

Flightfulbird & Pak-

Flightful, I am so sorry about your cat! You did the right thing!

I just wanted to say, I had 2 newborn kittens. One died within 24 hours of birth and I was devastated for days. This was a cat that I didn't even have a chance to form a relationship with. So I truly understand how you feel Flightful, and both of you, how its just so odd that DB showed no real emotion over his losses. In 18 years of marriage, I've seen my husband cry exactly one time and that was when his father passed away. I'm sure if I died, especially a death like Amanda's, he would lose his mind and be inconsolable.

Bobcat said...

Easter Leakage by DB, or sermon copycat?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BDeJgd7h4Nr/?taken-by=daveyblackburn

"Hey Resonators! Celebrate with me what Jesus did today! #ItWasASetup #EasterAtResonate"

SermonCentral.com "It's a Set Up" Sermon:
http://www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/its-a-set-up-pastor/revivalist-terry-sisney-sermon-on-experience-159769.asp

Anonymous said...

Isn't it considered "leakage" only if he's actually talking about Amanda's murder?

Jesus was "set up" (you can find it online if you're not familiar). Can DB really be blamed for that, lol?

Anonymous said...

Here is a link to the other discussion blog:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/03/blood-week-2-sermon-3132016.html?m=1

Bingo3 said...

Glad to see some of you guys are still on here and know something just doesn't add up with this case. Flightful Bird, excellent post and spot on to how I feel with every point you made.

flightfulbird said...

Thank you Bingo3, and thank you to Bobcat, Pak31 and Rella for your kind words about our cat. It will be one week ago tomorrow that we made the right choice to get her out of an irrecoverable situation.

I'm still retracing in my mind what we could've done differently- looking at videos and pictures of her- in disbelief that she's gone. One of the grief sites advised to write a letter so I did that too (it actually really helped). I live across the country from my parents so I just saw our cat in pictures and videos and spent time with her when I've been in Florida 4 or 5 times a year- and still this has impacted me more than I can describe. My 83 and 84 year old parents are struggling so much more because our cat was with them from the time they woke up in the morning until they went to sleep at night, lots of times with her curled up on their bed between their feet.

It's such a staggering contrast between the way I still feel today and the way Davey has never seemed to feel. It strikes me even more now, after experiencing what we did last Wednesday and Thursday and then working my way through this past week.

Yeah, retracing and reliving things for sure - yet in the sadness, there is peace that she is no longer struggling in any way. I am so grateful that my dad was with her the whole way through instead of it happening overnight with her alone under a bed, struggling for air. As hard as this is, it was our choice to protect her from going further on this journey. I can't imagine if my parents had found her lifeless in the morning and we were thinking now about how bad it was for her at the end- or if she had been hit by a car. I am still thinking maybe we waited too long- tears come when I think of our sweet cat enduring any struggle at all if we could've prevented it from happening.

Like I said in my last post, we've been trying to wrap our minds around this since January 25th. For 2 months we've been doing everything we could to keep her- 2 months to work through knowing we were probably going to lose her- and then a day and a half to sort it out and say goodbye.

Then think of Davey, walking in and finding Amanda "in the condition she was in", as his driveway phone friend Kenneth Wagner so eloquently put it when he told us "what we needed to know about this story". . .

continued next post. . .

flightfulbird said...

continued from last post . . .

This was a sudden and unexpected (?) situation- clearly one that had caused Amanda an indescribable amount of fear, pain and suffering. He rolls in from the gym and an hour long phone chat in the driveway -sees Amanda, sees that it's obviously a crime scene- and then doesn't even remotely indicate this detail to 911- why? Some posters have said we don't know what Davey said to the 911 operator and while that's true, I know those of us still here believe that IMPD would've been rolled along with the Engine 12 EMTs if he had in any way, shape or form described in the 911 call the scene into which he walked that morning.

Regarding his behavior since- showing feelings of insane numbing loss and grief should be expected even if it had been an aneurysm that took his wife's life instantly with no suffering. If Amanda had been ill for a long time and they knew she was suffering on earth but would be free from pain and with God in heaven, it would be a relief and it makes more sense for him to be able to move forward with less emotion because she was finally at peace and safe. But this situation- releasing what sounded like an already-prepared statement on Instagram - no words of "if only I hadn't" or rethinking things - then going on the interview circuit and parroting over and over that the best is yet to come, nothing is wasted - it doesn't make sense.

I couldn't even speak to the vet techs on the phone without sobbing last Thursday when I called to tell them thank you. I can't imagine myself being dry-eyed on camera - then or now. And this is just thinking of a sweet cat whose life ended with going peacefully to sleep - not a wife whose life ended the way Amanda's did.


Rella said...

Flightfulbird-

You wrote that so well, I could almost feel your emotion. I completely understand your feelings. I know this is crazy, butilities I once ran over a snake (a rather large one), because I didn't realize what it was, and I got upset about it, and (out loud) I apologized to it. I will never understand how he was able to talk about his wife so soon after her violent death, without shedding one tear.

Rella said...

I have no idea why my post has "butilities" in it, please excuse that!

Bobcat said...

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/03/blood-week-4-easter-sunday-3272016-it.html

Easter sermon transcript is up.

Bobcat said...

Blood week two sermon is transcribed.
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/03/blood-week-2-sermon-3132016.html?showComment=1459371903559

Video here:
http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/blood-week-2-completely-shared/

DB gets squeamish when it comes to blood.

"If there’s anything I’ve learned in this, life’s a vapor. My wife gave her life to see this, this city turned upside down. She killed dreams. She killed hopes. She killed all kinds of things to move this city and see this city turned upside down. I just want that kind of faith. I just want that kind of faith. It says. If you look at her Instagram, you look at all of these, uh, she was always inviting people to church. She made it her business to invite people to church, invite people to church. I just want that. I just want a community that says; you know what, you know what, listen. Let’s just, let’s just draw it up a little bit more black and white. Let’s just do whatever we have to get people the message of Jesus Christ because it’s the most important message anybody could get."

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, What do you mean DB gets squeamish when talking about blood? I guess I need to get past the first 10 minutes of the sermon. Not quite over him telling the unlocked door joke. Completely insensitive in my opinion, since he left the door unlocked with his wife inside and never shows one ounce of guilt about it. Reminds me of him choosing to post the gun waving sermon video less than a week after she was murdered by a gun.

Did he say that about Amanda giving her life for the church in this last sermon? I just don't get how he keeps saying that? She didn't choose this and I don't know why people let him keep repeating that. Also, her giving everything to the city. What? I think she likely wanted to get close to her family. She was stuck in South Carolina with a husband that worked all the time. I would not be surprised if church planting in Indy was a way to save their marriage. She needed to be near her parents and sister. I am sure she was super lonely. It was repeated many times by he and she that he worked all the time and it was hard on their marriage. I doubt she would choose to come to Indy and sacrifice her self for the greater good. She knew Jesus had already done that. This man is either insane of just pure evil and justifying his wife's murder.

Bobcat said...

Bingo3 - From the Blood Week2 sermon (not the most recent Easter)

DB is talking about a college baseball injury to his hand.

11:30
“I about passed out, because I get squeamish when it comes to blood.”

The sermon is mostly about the first passover and putting blood on door frames.
It is interesting that the two "bloody" examples he uses are:
Weston with marinara sauce all over his head.
His bloody college hand injury.

Amanda was shot in the head and the hand.

flightfulbird said...

Thanks Rella, and love your sharing about the snake. I would've apologized to it too, no question. I moved four snails off of the sidewalks when I was out away from home on Monday (I guess they had come out of the ground onto the sidewalks because it rained) because I knew they would get stepped on if they stayed where they were.

To all of us who are still here seeking the truth about this, I ask you if there is anything we as a collective can do to bring things to light. I remember in the case of Harold and Toni Henthorn (in which the husband had pushed his wife off of a cliff in September 2012 while they were hiking and just claimed that she had fallen), investigators took a closer look because anonymous letters had come in asking them to look closer. The husband was arrested for her murder in November 2014 - over two years later.

I keep thinking that it HAD to be obvious to the investigators who were there at the house that morning, who talked with Davey afterward, who saw the interviews and all of his behavior in the weeks following - that they weren't dealing with a husband who was even remotely sad that his wife was gone. This wasn’t their first rodeo - seeing the signs and conflicts and coincidences and realizing all was not as it seemed should have been second nature to them. Combine Davey’s actions and words with their examination of the 911 call and whatever insight the Engine 12 EMTs might/would have given to the IMPD detectives who arrived, the two alibis and the timing of them (being seen on camera at the gym - and then being on the phone with his friend who then tweeted just that morning about loving their weekly phone calls), the fact that he knew he had left the front door unlocked and told IMPD that he had - it goes on and on.

Can we hope (I hope . . . I hope) that it might take months or years but that investigators will continue to sort this out and ensure that everyone who had a part in planning this is caught and prosecuted? I can’t imagine Amanda’s family just idly standing by on this, no matter how afraid they are of being kept from seeing Weston, if they are aware of and have read all of the thoughts so many have posted on various message boards and chat rooms since last November. I know Gavin Wilkinson’s mom (Amanda’s sister's husband’s mom) wrote on the Justice Seekers Facebook page that she had only just recently become aware of the thoughts of so many surrounding this case.

https://www.facebook.com/Jutice4AmandaBlackburn/

The DataLounge thread had this posted on Wednesday in response to this post https://www.instagram.com/p/BDdMltwB4LY/ by Davey saying “soon and very soon” about seeing Amanda again in heaven - #andby”soon”imean”notnow” #amandaissohappyi’mcrying #ihaveabridgetosell

Another poster said that Amanda was his lottery ticket. And they wondered who is taking all of the pictures of Davey and Weston alone together - they think it is Meg aka EtsyNanny.

Bobcat thank you so much for all the time you spend transcribing what Davey says on Sundays.

Bingo3 said...

Flightful, I have thought that too about just sending letters to the Indy police asking how they could clear someone SO quickly. Who would we contact? That just did not make sense especially with all the odd circumstances. The fact ALONE that you have a pregnant wife calls for a lot of probing. Add on all that you just stated and continued odd comments he makes, there is no way you don't heavily investigate him. Unless someone knows something I don't know. Is there something that just completely made the police think for sure he didn't do it? Or are they building a case? Do they have someone on the inside trying to get more info from the intruders? It is so obvious Bull was in the thick of all of this. Why was he not arrested? Something just doesn't add up here.

SO Gavin mom was on justice seekers? What is her name? I have no idea where the family stands and I will never get over AB father letting DB say those crazy things at his church. I am sure in was in such grief that it took him a while to even process the off the wall comments. They seemed to have all just adored Davey like Lacy family adored Scott. I find it interesting though that Davey has several times posted his group of resonate friends saying I am glad I have friends who stick with me through thick and thin. Does that mean he may have friends or family that are no longer sticking by him?

Bobcat said...

DB 3/30/2016
"True friends who will stand by you through thick and thin are rare."

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDjZBlSh4PQ/

Bobcat said...

Gavin's mom is Kathy Sizemore Wilkinson on facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/Jutice4AmandaBlackburn/?fref=ts

An interesting quote of hers in response to this question:
If you hadn't known Davey and you looked at the case some of us do wouldn't you maybe come to the same conclusions based on what Davey publicly said?

Gavin's mom replies:
"Yes, I can see your side of the story."

Bingo3 said...

Ok that about the Wilkinson mom is very interesting. The fact she got on the page and commented is big. Maybe, just maybe she can start a conversation. She was actually on the vacation last month with the Byars and Davey. I wonder if she looked at him differently. I think it is going to take a family member looking at this just a little closer to see the case against DB open up a bit. It seems to the outside world that the police just wanted a quick open and shut case. Of course, we have no idea what is really going on and what they know proving his innocence. OR if in fact they are still investigating.

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, that is very interesting about the blood comments of hand and head. Imagine preaching a sermon series "Blood" and a title "It was a Set Up", then making a joke about locked doors. I know it may be complete coincidence and only for his sermons but in the least it is quite insensitive.

Bobcat said...

I'm very curious about the word choice of DB's father. He is responding to an article posted on facebook by DB's younger brother Jono. http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/in-the-line-of-fire/54743-an-open-letter-to-jerry-falwell-jr

Dad says this:
"Excellently written clarion call to deal first and foremost with the moral rot in our nation. The tragic rub is that, such a call, will probably get very little notice among today's economically focused evangelicals. See 2 Timothy 3"

Tragic Rub

Unusual word choice.

Bobcat said...

Gavin's mom Kathy Wilkinson on facebook Justice Seekers page 3/7/2016:
https://www.facebook.com/Jutice4AmandaBlackburn/

"None of you obviously know Davey Blackburn at all!! Shame on you all for thinking he had something to do with it!! I have known Davey and Amanda for years....Davey would never hurt her in any kind of way."

DB's blogs going back almost 10 years.
DB's multiple videos posted online.

I think we know DB quite well. He tells us more about himself every time he posts/tweets/preaches/records etc.

flightfulbird said...

It's a way to hurt someone when you talk down to them, talk over them, criticize them, share their secrets, share what they did to hurt your precious grill. To say Davey would never hurt Amanda in any kind of way is sticking your head into the sand. Perhaps Kathy Wilkinson has never actually watched the Love Song videos where Davey talked about things being over Amanda's head - or the videos where he talked about how she dented his grill (and wouldn't talk to her for two days - that also hurts) - or even how she hung the toilet paper backwards and all wrong.

This guy has exhibited a pattern of verbal abuse for years and not just in private - he has shared it with the world. And can be a very short step from verbal abuse to physical abuse and violence. HOW can her family not see this. . .

With respect to the thoughts that maybe LE is building a case, that would be awesome if this is what's happening. There's absolutely no way they could've cleared Davey of any involvement whatsoever as quickly as they did - it was within days. I've read about cases where the ones closest to the murder victims were cleared by LE at first (whether intentionally or not) and then later (sometimes much later) found to have involvement in plotting or actually doing it themselves.

It hasn't even been five months since Amanda was killed. It took much longer to snag Mark Sievers for his wife's murder and he also had a solid alibi (he was in Connecticut at the time that the murder happened in Florida). The two guys who actually committed the crime have been behind bars for awhile already. For over four million in life insurance money and who knows what other reasons, Mark was the mastermind - and he knew a guy. . .and that guy knew another guy. . .

About Mark Sievers - when he told one of his friends what had happened to his wife Teresa and the friend said something like she wanted to choke whoever did this, Mark immediately said that Teresa would say to forgive them. It reminds me of the interview where Davey said "it's such a conundrum" "in our hearts, we want justice, but" - and then goes on and on saying that Amanda loved people and the feeling he expressed was that she would want to forgive them and see the good or whatever. I just read that transcript last night again and now I cannot find it.

Here's hoping Indy police and the FBI are gathering information, looking for connections, making sure they can prove everything and get a solid conviction before moving in on him.

I wrote a post awhile ago but I can't remember the exact context - but something like the police had told reporters to say to the public that Davey was cleared, that police were very specific that they wanted the reporter to make it clear that he was 100, no, 150% cleared? If anyone investigating this case has read even 1/3 of what everyone has written, across all of the different message boards, on SA, on Facebook - they would realize they need to take a closer look.

Maybe we should all just ask them to take a closer look !

Bobcat, I, too, got the impression from that tweet that maybe some of his friends (family too?) might have their doubts and might have withdrawn from him or whatever.

Anonymous said...

"She killed hopes, she killed dreams, she killed all kinds of things..." Wow.

CD makes my blood run cold. These words are clearly disparaging of Amanda. Whose hopes and dreams did she kill? Davey's of course.

Does he mean "she SACRIFICED her hopes and dreams"? Or is CD is projecting like crazy?

She killed hopes, she killed dreams, she killed all kinds of things ....so he killed her.

Anonymous said...

I find CD's sense of humor very distasteful. He thinks it is funny: to see children "faceplant", to force children's feet into shoes that are too small, to run from wasps and leave his wife and child behind. He thinks it's funny to frighten, humiliate, embarrass and hurt others: to make his congregation say "baa" like a sheep, sniff each others armpits, to accuse them of being dishonest, and of smoking pot. He turns a compliment from others eg. "You look so tanned, Davey" to an insult against them eg. "You don't", "I'm wearing white to make you feel bad". And who can forget the "bring the butter" joke. Hilarious. The list goes on and on.

CDs sense of humor reveals a lot about his character. Many a true word is spoken in jest.

Anonymous said...

Is there any way to get hold of CD's 911 call?

flightfulbird said...

If I remember correctly, one of the posters on this board or on the Facebook Justice Seekers page (or maybe both) asked IMPD about the release of the 911 call - they were told that it is part of the case for the prosecution so it would not be released.

Thinking tonight now, it would definitely be part of the case for the prosecution if they were prosecuting Davey. But would the prosecutors need to know what DAVEY said to 911 for the support of their case against the currently accused thugs?

I can see their needing the exact time of the 911 call to correlate phone pings at the location but that is already known by the affidavit of probable cause. It doesn't seem that Davey's exact words on that call would be important to build a case - unless the words used in the call implicate him.

Does this make any sense at all?

flightfulbird said...

And I would pay money to hear the tape of that 911 call tonight, for sure.

Bingo3 said...

From Anon,"She killed hopes, she killed dreams, she killed all kinds of things..." Wow.
CD makes my blood run cold. These words are clearly disparaging of Amanda Whose hopes and dreams did she kill? Davey's of course.
Does he mean "she SACRIFICED her hopes and dreams"?

Anon, I thought the exact same thing about those words. What an odd way to put it. They moved to Indy which was close to her life, friends and family. I think there is a lot more to that than we know. She didn't come to Indy to give up her life, I think she came back to Indy to get her life back. I think there was huge resentment there by DB as they remained poor and had a small congregation! Maybe his dreams and hopes were taken away when he had to move away from his New Spring love. Just a thought. He is spilling so much in his words and no one seems to notice.

About 911 call, yes it needs to be released. It seems even in the Casey Anthony trial, the call was release way before anyone was arrested. So, so strange they are holding on to it. It is not like it can't still be used in trial against the accused still if needed. Why the secrecy?

Bobcat said...

This is odd, or maybe nothing at all. DB tweeted a photo of Weston and cousins pretending to go to bed on the sofa.

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/716401492568248320/photo/1
Caption: "Weston and the cousins asked to "pretend night night" . . . No argument here!"

Amber says: "Hahaha! They have never done that for me! Weston is teaching them good habits!"

Gavin's mom (cousins grandmother says: "It's got to be pretend because those girls do not like to go to bed and sleep! Lol. "Just a few more minutes""

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I could be way off base, but maybe the kids want to hide out and fake sleep because DB is such a weirdo. They never do that when they are with mom and grandma. If they play sleeping, he (hopefully) won't try to interact with them.

Bad Juju said...

911 calls are used during trials all the time as evidence against a defendant who did NOT make the call. All the time ... even if the caller had no idea what happened and never implicates anyone.

The Caylee Anthony 911 call was released from the get-go because it was in Florida. Due to Florida's Sunshine Laws, the state typically releases a whole slew of evidence that other states wait to release or never release at all.

If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times: There's nothing unusual about Indiana waiting until trial to release the call.

Bobcat said...

Maybe Kenneth Wagner's total silence is because LE has interviewed him for the investigation.

Bobcat said...

I just reviewed Kenneth Wagner's twitter - he also uses the phrase "flippin'"

Leave_Meg_Alone - an interesting poster. Seems to KNOW that Meg was not involved. That implies KNOWING who WAS involved.

Bad Juju said...

"Leave_Meg_Alone - an interesting poster. Seems to KNOW that Meg was not involved. That implies KNOWING who WAS involved."


Logical fallacy ... there's a lot of that going on here.

Cops eliminate suspects all the time without knowing who the perpetrator is.

Bobcat said...

BJJ.

How do you KNOW that I am incorrect?

Bad Juju said...

I'm not sure what you mean, Bobcat. I don't KNOW you're incorrect. I just KNOW your argument is a logical fallacy, like so many others here.

The knowledge that Meg didn't do anything does not automatically point to knowledge of who DID do something. Get it?

Bobcat said...

BJJ,

I see my error above. Would it be logical to infer that LMA is either extremely close to Meg, or is Meg, and wants to protect Meg from inquiry? Why should she be exempt, when DB said "We have nothing to hide."? DB never identified who "we" is.

DB said "We". Who is "We"?

Aren't you curious?

Bingo3 said...

Yes the "we' was a huge red flag. I have no idea where he was coming from with that one. He was asked about HIS involvement and he answered with a "we"! The guy who interviewed him from Fox had the most confused look on his face when DB said that. When George Steph interviewed him he also had a puzzled look on his face as Davey gleefully told how many people attended the funeral as if he were an non-related family spokesperson. If anyone wants to revisit why any of us question DB involvement, go watch his media blitz the week after she died. The Inside Edition ones are the most intriguing. Even the camera man zoomed in DB dilated, crazy eyes during that ring twisting interview.

Bad Juju said...

Exempt from what, Bobcat? Exempt from murder allegations? My personal belief is that everyone should be exempt from murder allegations unless there's actual evidence they were involved in a murder.

I've defended both Ryan and Meg against such allegations several times, and I'm not them and I don't know them. So, no, I do not assume Leave Meg Alone is Meg or knows her.

"We" is sometimes used to share responsibility with someone who doesn't even exist, so I do not agree that Davey's use of "we" means it's open season on Meg. By that logic, why not hurl wild allegations at everyone he knows? Oh, wait, that was already done here months ago.

Peter's final SA conclusion on this case was that Davey is hiding something related to his sexuality, and that included the "we have nothing to hide" statement, so I'm not really interested in twisting the "we" into Meg being a murderer. He's the expert, after all.

I think the better question is why are you trying so hard to implicate Meg? You even bring her up on other threads, then blame someone else for renewing interest in her. There is not one shred of evidence that she has done any of the things she's been accused of here ... including taking it in the butt from Davey.

Bad Juju said...

Peter Hyatt said...
I have heard and posted the arguments of those in law enforcement.

I remain convinced only of guilt and hiding related to sexuality by the language.

I am open to the theory, but linguistically, I have only connected him to sexuality.

Peter

December 30, 2015 at 10:16 AM




Does anyone here claim to know more about SA than Peter? I sure as heck don't.

Pak31 said...

I'm confused @BJJ 9:20. Are you saying that since Peter only found guilt related to sexuality that we shouldn't be looking at other aspects about DB? Peter is the SA expert, yes, but I don't think that means end of discussion. Is that what you are implying? Do you not want us to think that DB was involved in ABs death? I'm just asking because I was confused by your post. Or are you referring to Meg? I think Peter had some interesting things to say earlier on in this case that had to do with more than sexuality. I hope I made sense here and not just rambling. 😜 Now, one thing I'm really disturbed by is DBs total lack of regard for his wife's horrific murder when he uses words like blood and kill. Especially the kill part. I mean did he have to use that word? Instead of saying she killed her dreams and hopes in order to start the church, couldn't he have said she put her dreams on hold or she gave up her dreams to make a better life for others? He's so violent in his preaching. Very disrespectful to her. I don't know how people can listen to him talk like that without finding it a tad disturbing.

Anonymous said...

carried over from a different thread. This belongs here!
Anonymous said...
Blackburn is a loon. How on earth can anyone listen to his rambling nonsensical "sermons" and think "Amen!" Seriously. He's utterly warped and his followers are muppets to keep listening to his stupidity.
March 30, 2016 at 2:36 AM

Bobcat said...

BJJ: "Exempt from what, Bobcat?"

Inquiry, specifically what she knows about DB's personality and proclivities. And what she may be keeping to herself in order to protect DB.

BJJ: "I've defended both Ryan and Meg against such allegations several times"

Who is RYAN?

BJJ: "I think the better question is why are you trying so hard to implicate Meg?"

I'm not trying to implicate Meg, but I want to know what she knows - and I believe she may very well know more about DB than anyone else. She may even have guilty knowledge - similar to Kenneth Wagner.

I used to be an Executive Secretary and Administrative Assistant. My experience in a role similar to Meg's gives me a perspective that you may not have considered. A good secretary knows almost everything that happens in her bosses schedule/life, and knows how to keep her mouth shut about it. She/he knows how to take messages from the spouse when the boss does not want to be disturbed by ANYONE. She/he is a master of discretion.

There was previous analysis here about Meg's jockstrap and bib tweet, which she retweeted. That was a failure in discretion, but then, I see very little discretion in most of DB's public life.

DB may fool a lot of people, but I don't believe Meg is fooled by him at all. I want to know what she knows.

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Again, who is RYAN???

Anonymous said...

New image thread at other blog:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/images-that-make-you-say-hmmm.html

flightfulbird said...

RYAN is Ryan McConnell, the "neighborhood watch captain" of the neighborhood. He has pinged some of our radars because of this interview - in which he uses the same type of "we" and "us" language as Davey did. His sweater is also very similar if not exactly the same as the one Davey wore at his father-in-law's church when he gave his shower/dry bones/ Amanda died for the church bride to come to life speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ9xd48Mx5U

Some statements from the interview -
It's a huge relief for US, I mean WE'RE very happy with the news
WE'VE heard a lot about the different evidence, different shreds of evidence that they have
and it looks like it’s going to be a very firm, solid case
It’s a sense of relief, it really is, because WE'VE been so wrapped up in this for so long
It has been hard to really process things at times
WE'RE really happy
THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF A WHOLE 'NOTHER CHAPTER FOR US

Ok, who is WE and US ! The neighborhood hasn't been wrapped up in this for so long - and would the neighborhood see these arrests as a new chapter to their ongoing lives? The wording sounds like more how a couple or a small group would feel and speak - not a whole subdivision. It seems odd to use this terminology, compared to something like "the whole neighborhood has been scared - now after these arrests, people will be able to start to relax in their own homes again."

The neighborhood watch captain would be aware of the location of cameras, aware of people away on vacation or or work (wasn't one of the other burglarized homeowners away and just returning home from a trip or something ) - not stating fact here, just trying to remember. Also not accusing, just stating what the interview said and how some of us felt after hearing it.

I still don't like Davey's statement that the Levi Lusko video helped prepare his heart in the time leading up to Amanda's death - it's like he knew she was going to die. That is the same chat in which he spoke of guiding Weston through "this bit of chaos"...

Back to Ryan - I believe he worked with troubled youths in some capacity - he might know a guy, or guys.....

Bobcat said...

Thanks flightful! I had forgotten about him.

Thanks BJJ for bringing Ryan back on to my radar. Meg and Ryan are both sensitive to you, and you are generally in defense of DB, so as my tendency to logical fallacy goes - I now have a renewed interest in Ryan.

Ryan knows all kinds of troubled characters - it's his job! I previously posted links to his employment and will reinvestigate him.

Bingo3 said...

Ryan speaking in "We" terms makes a whole more sense to me than DB talking in those terms. Ryan is a neighbor and took over the role as the neighborhood spokesperson speaking for the neighbors. Davey speaking in "we" was just creepy to me. He was completely emotionally detached from the situation when he was the one who left the door unlocked and walked into his house to see his wife, mother of his child laying dying on the floor. I would have expected, "I can't imagine what she went through, I miss and love her so much, I wish it had been me and not her, I can't believe this happened while our baby was in the house." This whole "we have nothing to hide" , "it is a conundrum", "the best is yet to come", and all of the we statements when discussing the "event". It was like he was the spokesperson not the husband. I don't really have any feeling of connection with Ryan but maybe I am wrong. Meg, I agree probably knows something. Her closeness to, living with, moving out, and then suddenly becoming the personal assistant after AB death is curious to me. I am not saying involvement just knowledge of what may have happened. Just my two cents!

Bobcat said...

Bingo,

Ryan's statements seem to be "expected" to me. He is married with a young child, so the "we" could be him and his wife. He also was the spokesperson for the neighborhood watch group.

Bad Juju said...

"Bobcat said...

Thanks flightful! I had forgotten about him.

Thanks BJJ for bringing Ryan back on to my radar. Meg and Ryan are both sensitive to you, and you are generally in defense of DB, so as my tendency to logical fallacy goes - I now have a renewed interest in Ryan.

Ryan knows all kinds of troubled characters - it's his job! I previously posted links to his employment and will reinvestigate him."



Oh good grief stop blaming your fixation on this case on other people. Just own it. (And you sound like a troll: "I'm going to talk about this or that just to try to irritate you ... nanny nanny boo boo!")

I guess Meg is sensitive to you considering you can't stop talking about her. "Kate, Anyone, Batsymbol!!!!!! Megs handwriting and Amanda's journal handwriting!" ZOMG, y'all!!!

If you want to rehash all the idiotic crap about Ryan and his sweater, knock yourself out. (Golly, I sure hope someone called in a tip about the sweaters to IMPD.) Make sure you look into this genius theory, too: "Davey seems gay, and Ryan seems gay, so therefore Ryan murdered Amanda." I'm sure you'll have the whole case solved lickety-split, lmao.



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Bingo, you're right, Ryan was acting as neighborhood spokesman, hence the "we." Basic SA. It would be weird if he used the very personal "I" when talking about Amanda's murder. (Then people probably would've accused him of humping Amanda instead of Davey.)

If Peter thought Ryan's statement was important, I'm certain he would've analyzed it like he did Kenneth Wagner's. He was very thorough with this case.



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Pak, I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that because Peter concluded that everything Davey said prior to the final analysis points to a secret about sexuality, it's absurd for a bunch of people who know very little about SA (myself included) to insist it all means something entirely different.

Anonymous said...

A pastor with a secret about sexuality. A pastor who has to have his internet monitored to avoid temptation. A pastor who attends a gym that, he admits, is so sexually stimulating that he has to look at the floor - (Instead of just avoiding the gym). A pastor who uses violent and disturbing imagery. A pastor that waves a gun around on stage. A pastor who's pregnant wife is murdered, with a gun, while he's at the gym.

Bad Juju, have you ever watched 48 hours?

I enjoy your comments and I think you are a rational and thoughtful person. Forget about Meg and Ryan. Do you believe DB is innocent?

Anonymous said...

DB 3/13/2016
"I’ve messed up 800 billion times since I received Christ."
4/1/2016
"22 years ago today I made the greatest decision of my life - I surrendered to Jesus as my Savior, Lord & Boss"

For giggles, I did the math on this.

DB has "messed up" no less than 1153 times Per Second of the last 22 years.

With that track record, I don't think he should be explaining Jesus or the bible to people.

Bingo3 said...

Thanks Anon for your post. I know JuJu likes to talk reason into all of us and there are times I am glad that he/she does. I think sometimes we can go down rabbit holes that are out there! However, I think for the most part, our questioning of DB is pretty logical for all the reasons we have stated all along. I think most people have had questions! I am curious exactly where JuJu stands also. Do you think DB is innocent? Do you think his behavior was normal? What is your stand on what happened?

Anonymous said...

DB posted his first humblebrag about the massive bookcase in his new house.
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/718442945180000257/photo/1

Link to the other discussion blog:
http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/?m=1

Bobcat said...

Amanda retweeted this on September 15, 2013:

"Do not be disheartened when the enemy attacks. It's one of the clearest indications that you're onto something good."

Bobcat said...

DB appears to be moving on from Resonate. He's updated his "Speaking" site with this bio:
https://daveyblackburn.com/my-story/

"I moved to Indianapolis, IN in 2012 with my wife, Amanda, to start a church that would connect people to Jesus who have been disconnected from Him and His church. For 3 long years we’ve worked hard to reach people for Jesus and what’s come of that work is Resonate Church.

On the morning of November 10th, 2015 I came home from the gym to discover Amanda had been shot in the head during a home invasion while our 15 month old was in his crib upstairs. She passed away in the hospital twenty-four hours later. Since that day Weston and I have been walking a road I would have never chosen for us or anyone else.

Before her death Amanda had created quite a business following by restoring old furniture and home decor. She believed nothing was wasted and anything could be restored into a treasure. Now I spend every waking moment following Jesus into his plan to restore this tragedy into something beautiful. My story is played out in the light of a greater Story – Jesus’ Story. Scripture tells me in Jesus’ Story Nothing is Wasted, even the most tragic of situations.

This blog is somewhat of a memoir to invite you in on our journey. It brings me a lot of healing and a renewed sense of purpose to know that my pain could be used to serve and help you in yours. Truly, Nothing is Wasted."

--------------------------------
Every waking moment? Yeah, right.

flightfulbird said...

Davey is drumming into consciousness his alibi yet again, as if everyone already didn't already know that he was at the gym and randomly "discovered" Amanda when he came home from the gym. . .

He was walking into the scene he already knew he was going to discover when he entered the house after his phone call. Actually though, I don't think he expected her to still be alive - that must've been a real "oh, #&+!" moment for him.

flightfulbird said...

This gives me hope tonight - murder of a dentist in Dallas in September 2015.

Hired hit - the gunman and the person who drove him to the scene have been arrested and now authorities have just captured the mastermind in Mexico.

Thomas M. Class, Sr., Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Dallas Field Office said, “Brenda Delgado was able to effectively manipulate everyone she involved in her calculated scheme. Although she didn’t pull the trigger herself, she is still responsible for the murder.”

A couple of links - there are many - and Davey's situation could be very much like this. . . arrests have been made but there are still connections being made to him for setting it up.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/04/08/alleged-uptown-dentist-murder-mastermind-in-custody/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-alleged-mastermind-in-dallas-dentists-murder-is-in-mexico/

Pak31 said...

BJJ said: Pak, I'm not implying anything. I'm saying that because Peter concluded that everything Davey said prior to the final analysis points to a secret about sexuality, it's absurd for a bunch of people who know very little about SA (myself included) to insist it all means something entirely different.------------------

So I WAS understanding you correctly. You are saying that since Peter concluded DBs ramblings are all due to something sexual in nature that this is the final word and nothing else should be discussed? I admit that Peter is the God of SA and that I know little about it compared to him but his determination is not the end all be all. Is it? No disrespect to him because I do respect him and feel he excels at his craft. But saying we shouldn't discuss this based in his determination? I don't understand. I will continue to post my beliefs even it it goes beyond sexuality.

Pak31 said...

BJJ Why did you mock and make fun of Bobcats post? I don't understand what is happening here. Why can't people here believe what they truly believe?

Bobcat said...

Pak31,

I guess that BJJ wants to accept DB's innocence, and wants us to accept it as well, and move on. Nothing to see here. I also am guessing that my stubborn resistance to MOVING ON is somewhat of a thorn in DB's (and Meg's) side.

If DB wants to record and publish himself, he should be prepared to be watched and questioned. If he can get it together and stop leaking like a sieve, I will move on. Some contributors here have followed the McCanns since Madeline disappeared. I'll be following DB until he either starts talking like a normal person or shuts up like Wendell Noyes.

I'm not putting words in his mouth, but transcribing what comes out of it. DB should be happy to have this extra audience/fan base. Sometimes parts of his sermons are actually quite entertaining!

I saw this the other day on Amanda's twitter, and it encouraged me to not let up on DB and ignore BJJ's rants: "Do not be disheartened when the enemy attacks. It's one of the clearest indications that you're onto something good."

Bingo3 said...

Bobcat, I feel the same way. There is something so unsettling about this case that I just can't shake. I think the conversation is no where close to being over. There is a new Twitter presence which had died down. The bookshelf pic seems to have given a lot of people a reason to talk.

Bottle Cap said...

Here's what Peter has said.

1. "He is hiding something and it has to do with someone else (plural) and he lacked normal human emotion regarding his wife's death."
2. "From the beginning I have noted guilt within the language, but have written that I do not know the source of the guilt; whether it is a connection to the gang that shot his wife, or something else, but whatever it is, it is life consuming and personally defining making it powerful enough in his life to overshadow the murder itself. "
From http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2015/12/blackburn-murder-co-occurring-deception.html

From this very post:
1. "The investigators all stated that the nature of the case pointed to anything but random. The details all point to orchestration.
2. "As they stated, everything taken together suggests orchestration of this crime. The details each fall into place and given his intelligence, he would have 'suggested' a good place for a gang to hit, giving the address, date and time. "

Peter said in the comments: "I have heard and posted the arguments of those in law enforcement. I remain convinced only of guilt and hiding related to sexuality by the language. I am open to the theory, but linguistically, I have only connected him to sexuality."

So, the investigators believe Davey orchestrated the murder. Peter is open to the theory, but as of December 30 has only connected Davey linguistically with guilt and hiding related to sexuality.

Peter has not analyzed any of Davey's words in four months. Bobcat, Rella, Bingo3, Pak31, flightfulbird and others are doing a great job of documenting and discussing Davey Blackburn's beyond bizarre behavior and speech. I for one am grateful.


Crazy Davey reminds me of Charles Stuart who killed his wife and unborn child because he was worried about finances, didn't seem too upset about the murders and started spending money like crazy after the insurance paid off. He would have gotten away with it, too, except his brother turned him in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stuart_(murderer)

We need someone who knows something to speak out.

flightfulbird said...

Yeah, we CANNOT let this case drop into obscurity, Those of us who continue to post here and on the other boards know there is more to the story and if we don't continue to talk about it, I fear that the truth will never come to light. I, too, am grateful to/for everyone who is still here and on the other boards, posting and sorting things out.

The overwhelming feeling being expressed on all of the various message boards is that Davey either set this up or at least knew it was going to happen - and I and others remain unconvinced that Meg isn't part of it as well. Even in the comments beneath/following the videos and interviews and web writeups about the case (and these comments are mostly from random individuals who haven't dug into this case as so many of us have), the overwhelming feeling is the same - that he KNEW.

It seems impossible that so many individuals from so many different backgrounds could all be blowing this out of proportion - impossible for so many of us to feel that something isn't right and then be unable to shake the feeling even after this many months.

It sounds like exactly the same situation with Charles Stuart - the unexpected reaction (or almost a non-reaction) to the deaths - and spending money / life insurance - also sounds like Davey was majorly worried about finances and the fragility of a new church. He's definitely not worried about money now - snow vacations, beach vacations, baseball games, mountain retreats to record an album, new house, new SUV, now he's in Israel - with Weston too? - and who else? This was like winning the lottery for him.

Reading Bottle Cap's post made me think - it's amazing that Charles Stuart's brother turned him in. Amber (sister) and Amanda were so close - her social media posts indicate that Amber is grieving and feels an incredible loss for sure, arguably more than anyone else in the combined families.

I know Amber's mother in law (Gavin Wilkinson's mother Kathy) has read the Facebook Justice Seekers page because she posted a defensive stance for Davey. I wonder if Amber has read ANY of these message boards or comments - no judging if she hasn't, just curious. If it was my family member I would find it impossible not to. It seems that Amber, if anyone, would clearly see the coincidences and inconsistencies and demeanor and be able to make the connection - and if she has, it would seem impossible for her to be able to remain quiet about it once she saw it.

flightfulbird said...

Peter has made it clear that he does not post on cases in which he is actively involved. It has been four months and there have been statements, sermons, actions and behaviors the whole time. While he might not have been involved at the time he wrote this last analysis, is there a chance that he is now involved so is no longer posting because he is working on this case behind the scenes?

Also, can anyone think of a way we could escalate this, band together, provide documentation or whatever to get Indy police and/or FBI to look again / dig more deeply?

Bingo3 said...

Davey has begun officially blogging again

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/14/would-she-have-still-said-yes/

Bingo3 said...

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/14/would-she-have-still-said-yes/

Davey has officially begun blogging again. He has redone his old site and now has a section where you can hire him to speak. He will also be preaching at Newspring in a few weeks according to FB posts.

Bobcat said...

Davey's newest blog - excerpt describing the morning of November 10th:

https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/14/nothing-is-wasted/

On November 10th, everything changed. It was a normal Tuesday morning. I woke up around 4:30am. Read my bible for a bit. Grabbed my gym clothes and headed out for a workout. When I returned home to shower I walked into a reality I’d never wish on anyone. My home had been broken into and Amanda was lying on the floor unconscious with 3 gunshot wounds – one to the head.

I don’t really know how anyone is expected to process a moment like that. I suppose I’ll attempt to explain more one day on this blog, but for now the only way I can describe it is everything seemed to be a slow-motion blur as all my worst fears became reality. I called 911 as soon as I could, and the paramedics rushed Amanda to the hospital. The next 24 hours was a waiting game to see if the swelling in her brain would subside and give us any hope of her survival. Mid-morning on November 11th the doctors informed me that there was no brain activity and she would not recover.

I know it seems I’m writing all of this very matter-of-factly, as if it it doesn’t carry with it a slue of emotions . . . quite the opposite, in fact. I’ll spend future posts reflecting on those first 24 hours and the days thereafter. All I can tell you now is from that moment, countless number of people wrapped their arms around Weston and me and have lovingly walked us through these past 5 months. You truly can’t go through a tragedy like this alone.

Bobcat said...

I hope Peter will SA DB's new blog post. Until then, there's a dedicated topic at the Blackburn Discussion blog here: http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/4142016-nothing-is-wasted-blog-post.html

Bobcat said...

Try this instead

http://case-discussions.blogspot.com/2016/04/4142016-nothing-is-wasted-blog-post.html?m=1

Anonymous said...

It is true DB is starting to file lawsuits for defamation of character/libel?

Anonymous said...

No, troll.

In the various states, whether by case law or actual legislation, there are generally several "privileges" that can get a defamation case dismissed without proceeding to trial. These include the allegedly defamatory statement being one of opinion rather than fact; or being "fair comment and criticism", as it is important to society that everyone be able to comment on matters of public interest. In addition, it is generally accepted in the United States that a sufficiently public figure is "fair game" for all but the grossest libels.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a troll, jerk. I read it on Topix but the thread is gone.

But good job copying and pasting from Wikipedia lolol.

Are you saying he filed but it was dismissed?

Bobcat said...

DB blog 4/15/2016
https://daveyblackburn.com/2016/04/15/finish-strong-finish-well/

"I’m the kind of guy that will run mach 6 until my hair is on fire and everything (and everyone) around me is burning down."

---------------------------

In DB's much older blog (I saved the text and will pull from home later) he referenced chasing rabbits ... with blowtorches.

I wonder if he has a history of firesetting and/or animal abuse? He readily admits that he was the antagonist for his brother Jono's "issues" - basically that he was actively hostile to his younger brother.

Firesetting in childhood and adolescence is associated with the more severe end of the conduct-disorder continuum and is considered to be prognostic of later pathology. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8683421

Anonymous said...

New post here

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2016/04/davey-blackburns-blog-entry.html

ima.grandma said...

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ima.grandma said...

dedicated to my mentor for teaching me the greatest lesson of all

http://img2.etsystatic.com/000/0/5425890/il_fullxfull.78951634.jpg

Anonymous said...

To Ima.grandma; your post dated 05/13/2016, wherein at the beginning you reference Gift Acts 29 confuses me. I went to look this up in my King James Version of the Holy Bible and can find no Acts Chapter 29, OR Verse 29. Simply, there is no chapter 29 in the KJV. Were you quoting from some other version of the bible?

I was/am particularly confused about your quotation of a "Verse 29", which does not exist, at least not in my Bible; whereby you quote a scripture that relates as follows: "Jesus-has-no-sympathy-towards-death."

This I would have to see and read for myself to believe such a thing, and in words given by Jesus himself, including the history of why such a quotation supposedly by Jesus was made. Jesus' immaculate birth ordained by God, his mission on this earth and his death on the cross, among other things, was to save us from the fiery furnaces of death because he DID have sympathy for us in death and the death to come. I'm not wishing to dispute bible theology with you or anyone else, I just want to know where I an find such a scripture. THANK YOU ever so sweetly! ABB

Anonymous said...

Excuse me, my mistake. That is verse 28, (not 29) in chapter 29 where you are stating a verse in a chapter that I am unable to find in my bible. My apologies. Again, I'd just like to read those scriptures for myself, that's all; so where exactly might I find them (verses 10 through 29 that you mention above) inasmuch as I am unable to find an Acts chapter 29 at all? T/Y! ABB

Anonymous said...

I am sooo glad to look over here this morning and see this finally came to an end. So much time and emotion was wasted on this subject. All to no avail. G'bye!

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