Monday, December 21, 2015

"For Us, We Have Nothing To Hide"

                   What is my own conclusion in this matter?

Consider the lengthy discussion into the murder of Amanda Blackburn and why this case has caught such interest. 

A young pregnant woman is murdered in a home invasion robbery and with video tape, police announce quickly that the husband is not the shooter and shortly later, criminal thugs are arrested.  

Case closed?

Not so fast.  

When a pregnant woman is killed, especially in her own home, the husband or boyfriend is the statistically most likely killer, but here, with video, the killer is behind bars but interest in the case, instead of subsiding, actually increases the 'who done it' conversation. 

"For us, we have nothing to hide."  Davey Blackburn, on Fox News.  

Instead of saying how it feels to be investigated in answer to the question, Blackburn said it was "hard to swallow" and then added a line that immediately invites new questions:  "For us, we have nothing to hide."  Had he said, "I have nothing to hide" he would have invited 'search' and suspicion, but retreating to the plural, he doubled up on the suspicion, something he had been doing since his first words after her murder.  

The public quickly concluded what Blackburn's mentor would later say:  "Something is wrong with this guy."

Indeed. 

Statement Analysis of his statements issued and then of his interviews showed that Blackburn, in relation to the murder of his wife, is concealing or suppressing information.  His choice of words reveal deception via withholding information.  He uses the language of guilt.  

I have not concluded the source of guilt fully yet, however, basically because interviewers have avoided asking the very same questions they generally ask in murder cases.  Like Steve Doocey's embarrassing pass, they either ignore entirely any connection to the murder, or preface embarrassingly their questions with deference to ministry.  I do have a sense, though, as time has passed and he has spoken out again and again.  

There are various possibilities to the source of guilt which is being hid, but two main themes have emerged. A major difficulty, however, arises in the two: 

I.  Guilt due to prior knowledge of the murder
II.  Guilt over sexuality 

III.  Unknown

Q.  What is this major difficulty with the two?  
A.  The major difficulty is that the circumstances speak to both hypotheses 

I.  Guilt due to prior knowledge of the murder seems to dominate commentators here.  It is the suspicion of many in law enforcement.  Here is why:

a.  The marriage 

The husband's obsession is with numerical success and his wife wanted his attention.  This became very quickly a bad marriage, from the day the honeymoon ended.  He said it got worse when she became pregnant.  She became pregnant again and was murdered. The obsession with numerical success die his interpretation of Scripture to hyper-pragmatism; that is, "whatever it takes" which has led to a very specific choreography.  

b.  The timing 

The murder took place on the very day in which he always goes to the gym and always talks on the phone to the very same person but on this day, as luck would have it, the phone call kept him out of the house for 40 crucial minutes:  40 minutes which had he entered the house, might have led to earlier intervention into stopping the blood flow.  Might remaining outside the house for 40 minutes have cost her her life?

c.  The aftermath

Immediately after the murder, Blackburn showed little linguistic connection to the victims, instead focusing upon his career.  This was of alarm to Fox New, but what stood out more so to analysis is his utter lack of fear of the unknown killer returning to kill his son or himself.  The detached, driven husband's focus was solely on how many people he could get to notice his church through her death.  This was so dominant that he was incapable of stopping himself, even quoting the number of people who came to his church via the internet.  

If this wasn't bad enough, he went on to claim to have a conversation with divinity in which he received the news that his wife died for the church; supplanting Christ's own death, and that he was going to have a church that was so big that it had no historical precedence.  

That he mentioned the specific location of his meeting is significant in Statement Analysis:  the reference to water ("shower") is closely associated with sexual abuse.  That his wife's clothing was removed in her murder is not lost here, but the reference could also be due to his own childhood where he may have been a victim of sexual abuse, bringing him to the conflicting sexuality today. The connection with sexuality and deception is noted.  

The statements made and the behavior both show guilt in relation to the murder of his wife.  Is the source of guilt a prior knowledge of her murder?

This would mean some contact with a local gang where payment is made and low level gang members (kids) are sent out robbing, with the additional duty of murder.  The young gang members would not likely know of any connection and would not give up names of higher ranking gang members.  Better to go to prison silent, then go to prison and be sentenced to death as one who has revealed the information.  This would explain why he had no linguistic expressions of concern for his son, the neighborhood, himself, or for justice for Amanda.  

That he continues to subtly insult the victim also fits both categories:  guilty knowledge, and sexuality.  This adds to the confusion.  

II.  Guilt over sexuality. 

"For us, we have nothing to hide" was said in regard to the fact that police were investigating or looking into his life over Amanda's death.  This is not only to affirm that he has something to hide, but it gives the notion that what is hidden is in relation to someone else, with "we", but this too is then further emphasized, by the use of "us" in his statement. 

In the free editing process, he chose this word in less than a microsecond of time.  Either he needed to hide psychologically with "others", using the plural, or he is specifically thinking of at least one other person.   In either case, he compounds the guilt. 

Is what he has to hide sexuality?

Some of the very things in section one now support section two:  his lack of linguistic connection with Amanda, for example, could be guilt from either.  

It does not, however, explain the lack of fear, nor does it answer to the coincidental nature of the lengthy time on the driveway. 

What does support it?

1.  His self reported history. 

He spoke of a lie in high school that was told in which his parents, teachers, faculty, coaches and even peers abandoned him.  Lies will generally bring condemnation from peers or adults, in high school, but not both.  The only thing I can think of that even friends would not support is a destructive lie about sex.  This may have been severe enough to move to another city, and his father to give up his church and move to another.  

2.  His mentor's statements. 

His mentor not only told us that he recognized something "wrong with that boy" but in a memorial about Amanda, the mentor had Davey on the mind:  he spoke in sexualized terms about Blackburn, physically, as one would speak if sexually attracted.  The mentor qualified this with, "if you're a man you know what I am talking about" (to which men have said that they do not know what he means) to exclude himself as homosexual.  

His mentor's language appears supportive of this.  

3.  His own 'sermons.'

In video taping his messages, Blackburn wears tight fitting shirts, and walks back and forth, choreographing himself as if in a performance, while speaking repeatedly about sex:  specifically communicating to his audience of his great heterosexual sex drive; so much so that his wife, the victim, could not satisfy him.  His drive for sex with aa woman is so great that he said he was incapable of concentrating on dinner conversation.  This is the language of sexual addiction; something many gay men seek help for.  His need to convince his audience that he is a heterosexual is evident.  

4.  The disconnected language. 

Who would not give linguistic connection over the loss of his wife?

a.  One who orchestrated her death;  or...
b.  One who was trapped in a relationship  against his sexuality.  

The deception exists, but is its source guilty knowledge of the crime, or that of sexuality?

Lastly:

Or is it something else?

The Unknown. 

What do readers think?

"For us, we have nothing to hide" is:  

I.   Prior knowledge of her murder

II.  Sexuality 

III.  Something Else either unknown or both?

In either of the two above, his statement, "for us, we have nothing to hide" is specifically why defense attorneys do not let their clients speak.  

Police investigators know that this is something said when the subject is specifically thinking of something he does not wish to be known.  This is no different from a 7 year old boy who harbors a guilty secret. 

The 911 call has not yet been released, and we may see further arrests in this case still, as gang connections are made.   

In either case, he has 'outed' himself with this phrase of hidden guilt, inviting closer inspection.  

I have been long asked my opinion but have yet to give it...this, however, is where I am currently:  

With his additional statements, I think the guilty knowledge is about his personal life that he is hiding, and that Amanda may have known about.    I think a connection to the gang may have been found by now, yet, it is his language that persuades me that this is a co-occuring deception: 

that is a deception that happens during an investigation where the subject is deceptive, but it is about something else, appearing at the  time that creates suspicion. 

That he has been deceptive is clear, but where, and why, have been ongoing questions that I have become more comfortable categorizing with his subsequent statements.  

The 'shower' reference makes this argument stronger.  

With the release of the 911 call, this could change, and it is only an opinion of the source of the withheld information.  

The deception regarding sexuality is his own business.  If he continues to speak publicly and is not involved in the murder,  and his statements are in line with this, I will not be analyzing statements with regards to his sexuality.  





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Hey Jude said...

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Kate said...

Rosy, I agree with what you wrote. I have 3 kids and the name of the game was to see what type of veggie they liked, avoiding battles and testing out their taste buds. That type of parenting haunts me, who disciplines a baby?

In one vid, Davey speaks about Weston's first fireworks on the 4th of July. Davey tells a cute story on how Weston was in awe of the fireworks, then a bit later he states how Weston looked away, so Davey took Weston's face into the palm of his hands and moved it to look at the fireworks. At that point, Weston turned to Davey, pushed him and said "NO". Davey goes on to talk about Weston having sin born within him. Whatever.

After reading, watching and hearing all about Davey, he should never be allowed to have another child and his current child, Weston, should be watched very carefully for the next 16 and 1/2 years. At this point, that kid stands about as much of a chance as Amanda did. Will ANYONE around them look out for Weston? Doubtful.

lynda said...

daveyblackburn ‏@daveyblackburn 3h3 hours ago
It's good to be back "on the golf course" with @GavinBWilkinson and @JamesByars . . . Really grateful for family!

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Davey is at golf simulator with Gavin and Amanda's dad. It appears that he is spending most of his time with the Byars/Wilkinson. Does anyone know of any statements aside from the "celebration" of life that Davey's own family has done?? They appear to be strangely silent.

Anonymous said...

Nothing to see here on the Blackburn side. Just handsome men, fine women, and people who know how to keep their mouths shut.

rosy said...

Amanda read "Baby Wise" 2 months before Weston was born. She shared this May 18 2014: "My beach reading for the week."
https://www.instagram.com/p/oJKgOfr6Rr/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

maudes harold said...


Mdkd6262 thanks for info on the water references. One more piece...

Hey Jude (Juliet) thanks, I'll study and bookmark that for future reference when hubby isn't around! I've enjoyed your posts for a long time now.

Kate, DB's ascribing that kind of thinking(willful sinfulness) to Weston at that age and DB's resultant behavior makes me cringe. It can lead to a lot of justified, ever increasing harsher punishment and control. It's a built in answer to justify punishing over finding solutions to meet real needs.

rosy said...

lynda said...... at 3:01

James Byars is Amanda's brother, not Dad.

rosy said...

Amanda in silence letting Davey cry till he comforts himself by sucking his thumb.
https://www.instagram.com/p/1RxW1Rh4Pe/?taken-by=daveyblackburn

rosy said...

^^^oops, letting Weston cry.

Anonymous said...

Sadist. DB is all about images of the perfect family but can't help making fun of the helpless. He is an A-hole and a D-bag.

lynda said...

Anonymous rosy said...
lynda said...... at 3:01

James Byars is Amanda's brother, not Dad.

December 26, 2015 at 3:18 PM

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My mistake Rosy! So have we heard from the Blackburn side of the family at all? It seems to me that Amanda's side is much more vocal, davey is there more, and the Blackburns are not really making a significant attempt to come out strong for Davey

rosy said...

Davey started reading Baby Wise 5 Aug 2014, three months after Amanda took it to read at the beach. evidently he did not force Amanda to read it, nor force her to apply it. It was new to him:

"Daddy's going to school this morning #DadLife"

https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/media

rosy said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sadist. DB is all about images of the perfect family but can't help making fun of the helpless. He is an A-hole and a D-bag.

December 26, 2015 at 3:44 PM
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I think the evidence so far suggests a more complicated picture. Amanda was a strict as he was. Strict with herself and apparently strict with her baby. He didn't impose this on her.

Anonymous said...

Maybe so rosy but why post a picture of a crying baby? It's mean.

Anonymous said...

I guess all these kids have sadistic parents, too: http://distractify.com/geek/2015/07/20/reasons-crying-1197778218

What a bunch of meanies!

Seriously, though,if both Amanda and Davey were present while Wesson cried and Davey recorded it, why is Davey the only sadist? Wouldn't that make Amanda a sadist, too?

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't give any parent a prize that posts a photo of their crying baby on SM. DB (not Amanda) posted the photo.

Kate said...

Maudes Harold said:
Kate, DB's ascribing that kind of thinking(willful sinfulness) to Weston at that age and DB's resultant behavior makes me cringe. It can lead to a lot of justified, ever increasing harsher punishment and control. It's a built in answer to justify punishing over finding solutions to meet real needs.
December 26, 2015 at 3:17 PM
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I agree completely Maudes. And it looks like both parents agreed on how to raise Weston, for the most part.

I'm anxious to read Peter's theory on this case, he said a few times he's hoping he can post it and I do too. I can't make sense out of anything with regards to this case. Especially bothersome to me is how both sides of the family are responding. I'm irish, my family would have had Davey beaten by now, that's a fact. They would have never bought into this fairytale story where 3 bad black men just happened upon a Pastor's home and waltzed in through the front door and murdered a pregnant mom, for the chump change of $400 bucks and a few other goodies.

The reward money is very intriguing. I never understood why that remained at a puny $1,000. Even if they KNEW who the killer was, it still made no sense. Never made any sense that they let a rapist and murderer roam the streets with no warning to the public. Nothing in this case makes sense, at all.

JMTO said...

Um- that's Davey's Instagram video with Weston crying- how can you tell it is Amanda letting him cry it out?
I can't tell? If you can see something I have missed please let me know- my eyes are going on me haha.

And Amanda did start reading the Babywise book in her pregnancy- and Davey 3 months later- but motherhood changes EVERYTHING.
What she might have felt comfortable doing when she was pregnant could be a far cry from what she read in the books.
When you are pregnant you have all of these things you think you are going to do, and then your baby gets here- and she just might not have wanted to leave him cry. Davey said Weston caused a lot of stress in his marriage.
I believe this is why.

Davey posted on Twitter that he "swears by these books!!!"
With a big photo of the Babywise book.

Has Amanda posted anything saying she swore by them as well?

Because I honestly believe that's why Weston caused Davey so much stress- I believe Amanda might have felt obligated to try- and then completely changed her mind- making it so that there was little her and Davey time.

Much less Davey time to his liking.

And with Evie coming, and Davey not being able to control how Amanda raised Weston- the impending attention to yet another baby and her completely defying him - was his reason for wanting Amanda gone.

Those are JMTO

lynda said...

Kate said
"I'm anxious to read Peter's theory on this case, he said a few times he's hoping he can post it and I do too. I can't make sense out of anything with regards to this case. Especially bothersome to me is how both sides of the family are responding. I'm irish, my family would have had Davey beaten by now, that's a fact. They would have never bought into this fairytale story where 3 bad black men just happened upon a Pastor's home and waltzed in through the front door and murdered a pregnant mom, for the chump change of $400 bucks and a few other goodies"

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I'm with you Kate. So far, no one has posted anything here regarding Davey's family. Have they distanced themselves from him? Are they of the mind..just ignore what we are thinking, let it be? They are the ones that have known Davey since birth, thru the high school incident of alienating students and teachers alike, they have some idea of what lies behind Davey's facade.
My brother would have had Davey pounded into the ground until he confessed which isn't right perhaps but it is a NORMAL response when your daughter, sister is brutally murdered under suspicious circumstances such as these.
I too, am anxious to hear Peter's theory. I do believe his guilty language has something to do with sex also.

maudes harold said...

I don't think Amanda was a sadist. I think she was raised along similar lines of the Baby Wise/Duggar method albeit probably a more watered down version. I got the same 'self-denial of emotions' vibe from Amanda's dad and other family members, in response to her death and overall comportment. (I also understand we're getting a very narrow sample to observe). I saw it in Amanda too in some of the videos.

When looking at these types of things it's useful to understand there are gradations and levels to motivations and resulting behavior. I know someone who used the Baby Wise method in all sincerity because it's what other, older church members recommended.

I don't think Amanda was seeking to use the methods in the same way DB did. DB realized, in concrete written form, the ways to control or "sheperd" a younger, more malleable soul. Tabula Rasa. Like an instruction guide to what he already naturally did unconsciously. "Ma....I'm HOME."

The problem with the Baby Wise ideology is that it can be a real tool for abuse and control in the hands of someone with those intentions, or it can awaken the same rage in someone who was denied healthy emotions when faced with their own baby and their taxing needs. This was the case with the person I know that used it.

I do not have children of my own(I was a teacher), but I would not have adopted the Baby Wise method. I wish I understood/had info 20 years ago literally, for what I understood instinctively, to help that person better.

maudes harold said...

JMTO said...

What she might have felt comfortable doing when she was pregnant could be a far cry from what she read in the books.
When you are pregnant you have all of these things you think you are going to do, and then your baby gets here- and she just might not have wanted to leave him cry. Davey said Weston caused a lot of stress in his marriage.
I believe this is why.

Because I honestly believe that's why Weston caused Davey so much stress- I believe Amanda might have felt obligated to try- and then completely changed her mind- making it so that there was little her and Davey time.

Much less Davey time to his liking.

And with Evie coming, and Davey not being able to control how Amanda raised Weston- the impending attention to yet another baby and her completely defying him

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I think this is the case, most probably for Amanda and most certainly for DB, imo.

rosy said...

JMTO said...
at 4:28 PM
Um- that's Davey's Instagram video with Weston crying- how can you tell it is Amanda letting him cry it out?
I can't tell? If you can see something I have missed please let me know- my eyes are going on me haha.
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Maybe you missed this from the previous page of posts here:

Amanda posted this clip of verbally disciplining Weston when he spat out some green baby food (spinach or broccoli or green beans?).

She comments: "Weston throwing a little fit. If these were sweet potatoes he would be all over them. #myrealreel" Her Resonate girlfriend Mrs Barrett approves: "I love his reaction to "no!" He knows exactly what you mean :)"

https://www.instagram.com/p/ysPF-dr6d8/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

This was Amanda. This was Amanda's voice. Pretty darn strict voice.

And the baby's tongue movement, as any online baby site explains, at that age is REFLEXIVE. Pushing the food back in amounts to "gag me with a spoon."

Kate said...

Lynda, hopefully Peter's theory will answer or make sense of the questions we have.

When the family did the celebration video, Davey's dad prefaced Davey with "my very level headed son", this conflicted directly with Perry's description of Davey and most likely, everyone else who knew Davey. But thought it could be leakage from the dad? I'm just learning, so not sure on that. It struck me very odd that Davey's dad felt so compelled to put that in the video, where he was suppose to be speaking about Amanda, but most of them did not. Most of them found a way to tie Davey in with remembering Amanda and I found that not only disturbing, but disgusting at the same time.

They know something is up, why have they not posted Davey's Christmas service? They go from packing it in when Amanda dies, to shhhhh let's not tell anyone. What's the big secret? Certainly if the media was there to tape it, why not post it online like every other service you've done? Somethings up.

Anonymous said...

Hey Jude & others-

Blanket Training that the Duggars used/use is very different from Baby Wise, it seems, and I am in no way saying that the Blackburns or Resonate young parents use Blanket Training. My point was really that in such cultish environments, certain authors, musicians, slogans, etc, seem to become "the gospel" to them, with no questions asked (But, I hope and pray that Amanda did not totally buy into the Baby Wise methods, and instead trusted her motherly instincts. But, those videos of Baby Weston are disturbing). And, Hey Jude, I agree that Blanket Training is not hip enough for Davey and Friends.

Moving on. Amanda posted a picture on Instagram 25 weeks ago of a bunch of vegetables she'd cooked, saying "Baby-food-making-day! Do Babies like Mrs. Dash?
#nocluewhatimdoing #hebettereatitanyways

Sorry, I couldn't figure out how to send the link (instagram on my ipad, and typing to SA on Dell). I'm not on facebook, but, she might have posted it there, as well. It was kind of refreshing for Amanda to admit that she has no clue what she's doing, per the hashtag. Most new mothers don't. So, perhaps she was okay taking a book's advice, letting Davey be the family "leader," etc? I still don't understand how she could turn off her motherly instinct and let him cry, though.

I am guilty of seeing Davey as dark, manipulative, and evil, while thinking of Amanda the polar opposite: authentic in her faith, honest, and unpretentious. However, now that I think about it, one can have the qualities I've contributed to Amanda and still prescribe to questionable child rearing methods, I guess? I don't know. I'm sure she was not as perfect as I've seen her in my mind. But, she seemed spunky, and I'd like to think that she stood her ground in some areas with Davey, even if she submitted to him in others.

I'm rambling. Some disturbing things are coming out....

-L

Anonymous said...

* one can have the qualities I've ATTRIBUTED to Amanda (not contributed) ^^

-L

rosy said...

Anonymous said...
at 4:20 PM

I wouldn't give any parent a prize that posts a photo of their crying baby on SM. DB (not Amanda) posted the photo.
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Amanda posted the video of Weston Weston crying and gagging on the food she made on her own Instagram as "taken by amandagblackburn." She posted it BEFORE Davey took any such photo, February 4. Davey took and posted the similar video April 4. Amanda poosted her video with hashtag #myrealreel.

Davey, following her lead, adopted this "meme of a crying child" - the reality of which was going in in their home under Amanda's care of the child. He posted his video with the hashtag #expectationgap. Expectation Gap was the topic of a sermon at Elevation Church in Denver the year before. These religious folk were creating posters about Don't let what you expect keep you from what God wants yuou to experience.

So Davey, for career and faith-spreading purposes, leveraged or exploited this piece of reality (the real) that Amanda created.

Curiously, lots of people LIKED watching Amanda's video of herself force feed her baby and say No! to him - 41 likes, one "love it" and one "I love his reaction to "no!" He knows exactly what you mean :)"

By contrast, only 14 likes for Davey's post of her doing the same when Weston was a few weeks older. And one "Poor baby boy"

Anonymous said...

rosy 5:41

I see - both the video and the photo were in poor taste for SM.

Kate said...

It was also shared in his sermon, I can't remember which one, but who does that? Ugh, guess I'm just too sensitve of a person.

Anon "I" said...

When Davey talks about the men who killed his wife, he says "these guys." Isn't "these" speech indicating closeness while "those" would be distant? I am waiting for the public spectacle when he visits them in prison or makes a victim's impact statement declaring his forgiveness of their deeds.

When she is feeding him the peas, she says "Uh uh, Weston. No." I don't find that all that odd. She may be tired and is gently discouraging him from spitting them out. She is not yelling at him and demanding compliance or holding his face, smacking him. I know when mine were little, I had a constant dialog going with them and would find myself talking to them under nearly every circumstance, whether or not they even knew what I was saying, they could discern my tone.

I wonder if the second pregnancy was unplanned? There could have been blame placed on Amanda if BC failed... ? Or, just speculating here, could DB have been so wrapped up in his own glorification, that he became jealous and falsely accused her of the child not being his (even if it was not the case)?

I think his family may be hanging back because they may know more of who the true DB really is... the less said, the better type of attitude?

I think DB is very smart. I think LE was challenging him when they said you think you are smart, but we are smarter and will catch you or something similar. He is a genius when it comes to choosing people who he can successfully manipulate. We think of smart as being the best thing for everyone and making choices to better our situation and that of others. Smart does not necessarily bestow moral behavior, though. He may be using his smarts in channels that *he* thinks of as success that the normal person might not consider.... gaining a following, power, influx of money, butts in seats, etc. Plus, I think he really is learning by reading about his reactions. You have a lot of time to learn how to act and how to devise your plans when time is not taken up with those pesky emotions, don't-cha know?

I am very concerned for Weston. If DB has a God-complex, he may come to look at little Weston as a Jesus-type that needs to be sacrificed. Amanda may have been a martyr. She was a martyr for DB's ambitions. See how that is working out and how she is now sling-shot-ing his message of Davey and Christ (or was that Christ and Davey)? All, IMHO.



JMTO said...

Rosy I was responding to the video of Weston crying it out for 15 seconds - it was Davey's video- and from the hand it looks like maybe Amanda feeding him- but Davey taking the video.

I will watch the video with the link you posted.
I agree it would be disturbing to yell at a baby No! - if he was spitting out his food- I don't agree with that- but we DO know that

1. Amanda read the Babywise books

2. Davey read the Babywise books and "swore by them!!!"

3. Davey said that Weston being born caused a lot of marital stress.

4. Amanda got pregnant again.

5. Amanda and her unborn child are dead.

I said before- I am quite sure she probably tried some of the Babywise advice, seeing as Mrs. Barrett her best friend (sarcasm) approved of the books- and of course Davey himself wanted Weston shepherded - "children are born into sin?" ridiculousness- but I am not sure how far her natural mothering instincts pushed against some of this Baby wise parenting advice.
I don't think she bought into the books as much as Davey.

If she had, and went "by the book" for all of the Babywise advice, then there probably wouldn't have been the large amount of stress from little Weston, bc Davey would have known at least Amanda was "trying." If she was raising Weston the way he believed he should be, there wouldn't be any stress, would there?

There seemed to be this hostility Davey had towards Amanda- much more after Weston was born- and the only thing I can think
of would be bc they clashed in the parenting department, an lack of attention towards Davey,.

I also wouldn't put too much thought into her Twitter posts before becoming a mom.
Before I had my two sons, I wouldn't have trusted myself with a Guinea pig.
I never held babies. I was terrified of them!
I had NO CLUE!!!
Hahaha!!

I still had no clue the night my 13 yr old came into this world- but the moment he was born, I knew (and I am not a hugely religious person) that there was a God. A greater purpose.
And MY purpose became to love and protect my child with every fiber of my being.
I wanted (and still want!) to be a good mom, and I hope my sons are as proud of me as I am of them.

Everything changes once they hand you your child.
(For me it did, anyways)

Anon "I" said...

*Although, referring to above, I hate social media and would never have put up pictures of my children... much less them spitting out food.

Anonymous said...

JMTO, thank you for that!!!!

Mdkd6262 said...

Spitting out food at that age is a protective reflex that IMO should be honored, not subdued. This reflex is in response to rejecting foul tasting substances to prevent inadvertently ingesting toxic substances. Also this reflex is engaged when the tummy is full to prevent overeating.

The subtle & collective message of this mentality is to create dependent souls who have no ability to trust their own instincts and that are so out of touch with their emotions that they are rendered unable to question anything that has the word "Jesus" attached to it.

For a people who claim so loudly to honor God why would they make it their goal to subvert the very protective survival instincts and individuality that God so beautifully created in us. Our reflexes are our most primal survival instinct. Our intuition and emotions are our most closest connection to our creator that requires no membership, no monetary quota, no building, no lead pastor, and no baptism to invoke. Our intuition and emotions have no ulterior motive other than to protect and reflect who we are, a ocreation of a living, loving creator.

Weston is being taught to distrust his very existence and the God who created him and to be solely at the mercy of the whims of those more powerful...


Anonymous said...

Great post, Mdk6262!

Louie said...

so wait: did Davey step down for temp. leave from the resonate church?

Louie said...

No Davey fan but kids sometimes spit out food in temper especially when demanding cookies.

Anonymous said...

Oh gimme a break ... trying to get a baby to eat green veggies will cause him to "question his own existence"? She's not shoving food down his throat after he spits it out, for Pete'so sake. She didn't yell at him, she just calmly said, "Uh-uh, Weston." Unbelievable.

Anonymous said...

"Pete's sake," that is.

mom2many said...

Davey's Twitter is clear that they followed BabyWise from the beginning: https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn/status/497374237963722754. I don't think 7-8 feedings a day in week 2 are enough. That would never be close to enough for my many kids. And, a good Christian wife is supposed to submit to her husband, which I believe is how Amanda was raised. If Davey loved BabyWise, I doubt Amanda argued about it. At least not until well through the first year. She may have finally wanted to try a more relaxed style with #2 on the way, which increased the stress because of the pregnancy. But maybe not. All we can do is speculate on that.

Hey Jude said...

One of Two because it got long

A couple of points I found of interest in Davey's 'All In Week 1 - God Has A Track Record' sermon, given four months ago at Resonate:

Davey always thought it would be 'a funny prank' if someone unloosened the overhead hand rails on the subway so that all the people would fall forward - 'it would be awesome!'

Davey would 'love' if the automatic door in the supermarket were locked in the middle of the day so he could see how many people would 'face plant' into it.

I find those comments as concerning as his cruelty to the dog - he's thirty years old and has yet to appreciate that 'pranks' which could cause injury to people, particularly the more fragile elderly, are not 'funny' or 'awesome'. Either he believes it's funny and awesome, or he is trying to be down with the type of kids who say such things themselves, when he should be trying to help them develop empathy and to think responsibly. I doubt anyone has real oversight over him as a pastor, or approves what he preaches. They speak about it, but Davey is not truly accountable because they all come from the same #w*nkpuffin mould - or more traditionally, they are like the blind leading the blind.

Davey trying to create the impression that he's a conscientious husband who spends a lot of time apologising to Amanda - thereby also putting out the corresponding idea that she probably likes to find fault with him: "We've all been wrong, especially if you're a husband, that's your life mantra, 'I'm sorry, I was wrong' "

Sometimes, he's attempting humour, but it's too often also a sly dig at Amanda.
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Taken as a whole, the sermon sounds either as if it could be leakage of 'God's plan' for 'smoothing out the road' ahead for Davey, or, I think even more likely, that Davey is consciously preparing the ground/audience for 'God's' unexpected 'plan' for Amanda. God is never wrong. Just trust. His ways are higher. It's all about Davey, who doesn't need twists and turns in the road hindering and setting him back on his journey to becoming the great person God truly wants him to be.

Hey Jude said...

Continued...

If he's involved, which I do still suspect, I think Davey had either:

convinced himself, four months ago, that it was God's plan, that Amanda needed to go, even though it seemed 'crazy', and that he was to be the instrument in facilitating that (can anyone be quite so rampantly narcissistic though?)
or he no longer believes in God, and Amanda is dead because Davey had no further use for her, except to help build his new sympathetic image and to grow what would now have to be no longer his misguided church (I'm sure he originally set out with good intentions, even if it did involve financial motivation) but his fraudulent business.

I am tending towards the former as he does go on excessively, not only in this sermon, about forgiveness, and baggage and past sin, and how God forgives all and any sin etc. I wonder if, in his moral world, arranging murder, or committing a murder, even if it was pre-meditated, would be a forgivable sin for someone who is already a Christian - if there's any differentiation in his mind with regards to what some of us would class an 'eternal' sin. I wonder if, to Davey, an eternal sin would seem as forgivable as a 'venial' or 'mortal' sin. (I know this is old fashioned Catholic-speak, even for some Catholics, but some will be familiar with it and know what I am trying to say. If I confuse anyone by using the sin classifications as an Anglican (Episcopalian - same church), that's because I'm of the (liberal) Anglo-Catholic variety of Anglican, though so liberal I can hardly call myself anything with confidence these days - still, there is what remains, as in believing 'more and more in less and less'). I think the Newspring and Resonate store of meaningful theology is so lacking that it's possible Davey may have been able to convince himself that if he has any involvement in Amanda's murder, he would just need to pray harder and repent more, and it would all be fine between him and God.

If that is so, and if he truly believes himself to be a Christian, then he does not begin to comprehend the spiritual gravity of his situation. He could not, to either be involved, or to proceed as he is following on from Amanda's murder. (Would ignorance of what some call 'eternal' sin make him less responsible, somehow, in the eyes of God? Is 'eternal' sin even real, if it's not part of someone's belief system, or is it likely to be something he believes in, yet would describe in different terms? I think if he doesn't claim knowledge he could not claim ignorance either, as the conscience has its own language beyond words. No-one who has a conscience could say they honestly categorised such a deep wrongdoing as murder as a mere failing, weakness or mistake, without also knowing they were trying to deceive themselves. Still, I haven't found any indication that he might consciously 'classify' different types of sin, or therefore be willing to believe that some sins might be unforgivable. I might be misrepresenting him, but I've yet to hear him preach a serious sermon on sin, repentance and forgiveness - the pop sermons are so lacking they numb the brain. That said, there are still more to which I have yet to listen.

Anon "I" said...

@ 9:04 ...Weston is being taught to distrust his very existence and the God who created him and to be solely at the mercy of the whims of those more powerful...
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Or, he could be bored, tired, teething, have an ear infection, sore
throat, dirty diaper, or he may be figuring out how his tongue works.
Little Weston will have bigger fish to fry with his existence without
analyzing his relationship to God by how much food gets ON him instead of
IN his mouth. Weston might have an instinct to touch a nice, red burner
on the stove. It doesn't compute that his parents should never interfere
with his instincts. He won't understand it at the time, but he will
have instincts that need to be thwarted for his safety. I do understand
what you are trying to say and a loving parent would see that there is
plenty of room for emotions and instincts without crushing their child's
soul. A proper balance is what is needed.


Hey Jude said...

I watched Amanda's Instagram video - I think she maybe didn't know at that stage that babies are prone to rejecting savoury foods, and it can take five or six offerings at different meals before they will accept a new flavour. Six months, he was only just beginning weaning, it was new to them both - at least he enjoyed the sweet potato. :) I wouldn't give that video a second thought, personally - he didn't like it, he didn't eat it, I think it's better to avoid saying 'no' to babies, but at times every parent surely does, and some do get angsty over the inevitable mess of meal times.

Anon "I" said...

Interesting, Hey Jude. I think DB's attitude toward sin is out in the open, just like
he says: "Whatever it takes." The end justifies the means... When he says "Nothing is wasted," I sadly believe that he thought of Amanda as that "Nothing." So, nothing *was* wasted in his mind. Whatever it takes, right? SMH. The other items you added about his disregard for people's safety is alarming. This makes him dangerous. I wonder if he stopped growing mentally at some point and was never able to get past the immaturity?

JMTO said...

From Amanda's Instagram - Mothers Day this year (which there are lots of pics of Weston that I see)

amandagblackburn
Motherhood has forever changed me. It's amazing what a child can bring out in you. I see, feel, love and live in ways I never have before. And what I thought was something that would limit and prevent me from what I want, has actually turned into everything that I want! I'm so thankful that I get to be a mom. And I'm so thankful for the example that was set for me by both of my mothers!
Happy Mothers Day to all of you! ❤️

That's her own words- she loved her little boy.

I think she tried some of Davey's Babywise tactics- but I don't think for a minute that she was completely wrapped up in them.

In order to employ all of those tactics in those books you would have to be able to reject almost every motherly instinct we are born with- that insatiable need to go to your baby when he cries, pick him up, hold him.

I think if anything she posted the videos so at least someone could see that she tried.

When you are in a relationship with someone who completely controls you, the last thing you want to do is to defy them.
It can turn a good day into a bad day really fast.
You learn little ways to do things to make them happy and let them know you are following orders and are on track- letting them lead.
Any deviation from that can cause waves. And you will do ANYTHING to not cause waves.
To me, she sounded more frustrated than mad in that video with Weston.
But that is just me.

In the end - I think she had enough.
In the LoveSong 6 video- she is clearly irritated with him- especially when he lies, she calls him on it embarrassingly enough and doesn't care that she does, and he back pedals with "Well it's kinda true."

She was disobeying him- having a mind of her own.
If he was involved and I believe he was- this is why she was murdered.

He was not going to be made a fool.

Mdkd6262 said...

To clarify.... I used the example of the food to speak to a larger point regarding the "subtle and collective message of this mentality" in referring "Baby Wise's" approach to discipline and control of every moment of a child's life. Controlling food intake is a huge component of this approach. My observation was not based solely on this one incident. Baby wise is extreme control of every aspect of a child's existence including subduing basic survival instincts... I was speaking to the collective long term effect of this general mentality.

I didn't make it clear in my post that I was referring to Baby Wise, however, it was a continuation of my earlier posts regarding their public posts of them using Baby Wise to raise Weston. I did not think, say, or imply that she was being overtly abusive of him, hence the use of the term "subtle". In that context, under those circumstances, the message that was being taught to Weston was that his uncontrollable reflex of rejecting bad-tasting food was "bad".

The point of my post was to address the larger question of how a collective people can become so desensitized; how they can so casually set aside the natural instinct to express grief and anger in response to such a heinous crime.... And I believe that this desensitization does not happen abruptly, but that it begins subtly with the simple act of teaching a toddler to ignore and distrust their most basic instincts...

rosy said...

I wouldn't take too seriously Dave's ideas of sin. He's a con artist. His violent talk and his bathroom talk (e.g. how toilets that flush underneath you "scare the crap out of you") is functional. It's dis-inhibiting, loosens up the minds of the audience. That's why he launches with topics that he assures the audience "they didn't expect to hear in church" - talk of poker, "crack," violent pranks, teenage toilet jokes. It breaks down the audience's reticence. The subliminal aim is use a series of little shocks to help chip away at each individual's mature, independent judgment. It's a softening up technique. In camps for kids and teenagers it could be used for sexual grooming.

Really doesn't matter what this church's slogan's are - Whatever It Takes, Nothing Is Wasted, All In (that third one is in Amanda's journal). What matters is to break down independent or critical thinking and fill the vacuum with their brand of Jesus talk.

Mdkd6262 said...

Rosy at 1:09

"What matters is to break down independent or critical thinking and fill the vacuum with their brand of Jesus talk."

Well said....

rosy said...

Mdkd6262 said...
at 1:02 AM

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I agree with everything Mdkd6262 says about Baby Wise, control of instincts, and the feeding Weston videos (which I brought up. Parents like these make themselves god of the child while preaching and claiming they are "in love with" Jesus.

It's getting late and I'm reluctant to go over it all over again but I feel that if a pet owner posted video of treating their kitten or puppy this way, people would howl. Why minimize it when it happens to an infant, a child who cannot speak? Minimizing it is condoning abuse.

The baby has tears in his eyes and on his cheeks. This has been going on before the video starts and the viewer knows it will go on after the video cuts out. She makes no attempt to get him to like this new food. She intends to make him obey. He's six months and six days old.

A week before this she posted the video of Weston (looking quite a bit younger) force fed by a stranger. A heavy-set middle-aged man pushed sweet potato into Weston's mouth. Weston wept, surrounded by people he did not know, people with ugly expressions on their faces. Non-family members. How many times did he go through this in rehearsal?

What parental instincts would allow that? Amanda joked about it: "My kid might have some emotional scars from this video... but it will all be with [worth?] it!" Wink symbol.
https://www.instagram.com/p/yX1LQxL6dN/?taken-by=amandagblackburn

Worth it for what? A commercial. Made to show that other people's families - people "far from God" - are unhappy, dysfunctional, "lost." A bunch of bad actors plus their own baby induced to weep real tears so that Resonate could persuade and accuse other people ("far from God") of lousy parenting. When that is how Amanda fed her baby at home!

Any decent TV station would reject that video. The hypocrisy and blindness under the influence of delusions is frightening.

JMTO said...

Just one more for the heck of it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/wHR4wCL6bb/

amandagblackburn
Apparently it's true what they say about babies being more cuddly when they're sick. I think I shall not get anything done today. ☺️

55wks ago

Amanda couldn't have been all that into BabyWise.
If she was she wouldn't be thinking of blowing off a whole day to hold her baby, sick or not.

Weston needed her - he needed to be held- all day- and that was exactly what she was going to do.



lynda said...

Anon "I" said...
" I wonder if he stopped growing mentally at some point and was never able to get past the immaturity?"

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I have thought much about this.With my limited classes of psychology and such to finish my degree in nursing I am no expert. Far from it. But we have some sort of incident occurring in high school that was a game changer. Alienation from teachers and peer alike. Since a high school boy has NOT psychologically matured yet, and parts of the brain are still developing and making connections, this event could have "fractured" that growth. It's like he never became a "whole" person. He's fractured. The event/trauma/abuse, whatever, stopped the growth and the melding of his psyche to become "whole" This is in line with his juvenile sense of humor, his developing sociopathic tendencies, his unawareness of inappropriateness, particularly when discussing sex, his tantrums by not speaking to Amanda after the grill incident. He acts like a child. He stopped mentally developing in high school. He's forever 16 which means forever selfish, narcissistic, self-centered, nothing can touch me, I'm always right, bullying behavior, etc. The key to Davey, and what he's become is all back in high school (or before) The "incident." Even his father stating "my level-headed son." That has got to be the funniest thing ever. Level-headed? This guy is bat shit crazy and I doubt he has the impulse control to be level headed about anything.

JMTO said...

Rosy- I see what you are saying- but I do not understand why you are getting so rattled about Amanda.
She's dead.

Those Resonate videos they made- were probably per orders from her husband.
He's the lead pastor and all.

We have no idea what was said or done before those videos were made- if she and Davey fought- if she went along with it because she wanted to- we don't know.
But obviously she was upset in some way about it- as she brings up him being scarred by it- winky face or not as a mother it was on her mind. She also says it's all worth it. Does she really believe that? Or is she saying that bc this is what Davey wanted to put out to his congregation? Sometimes just kidding isn't just kidding at all. Was she worried that Davey would get upset if she didn't put her seal of approval on it? That she wouldn't be a good wife, letting her husband lead her?

What I do know is she loved this child- that is clear- and I am not seeing the abuse that you are insinuating is being brought on Weston by Amanda. Nor do I understand completely the reason behind it.

I see a mother who loved her child, and a child who loved his mama.

And now she's gone.




Anonymous said...

Today I re-watched all the interviews. The first time I watched them back in Nov, I thought he had sprouted a zit by the second interview, but today I realized it was there all along, from the first interview, and the more I looked at it, the more it looks like a scratch, longer than a dot. I really hope they got nail scrapings on the autopsy.

rosy said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
at 3:01 AM
looks like a scratch, longer than a dot.
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Yes it looks like a scratch going down from bunder/beside the lower lip to a larger graze or blemish. If it's still there, I wonder if his beard will cover it.

Anonymous said...

JMTO, with all due respect, I see both yours' and Rosy's point of view. Frankly, I'm getting a little rattled myself. Of course, Amanda loved her baby and now Amanda's gone. But Amanda still should not have been trying to force feed the baby, or allowing anyone else to shove foods down his throat that he did not like or want. Does he have no taste buds, or likes and dislikes of his own? Do we, as adults, eat foods we don't like? Do we allow someone to tell us, uh oh, no! Now eat it, shoving it in our mouth? Of course not. She disciplined him for this!

Why should the baby be treated any differently? Don't we want to eat, and DO eat, whenever we are hungry, foods WE like? Why shouldn't this baby? But his feelings and tastes don't matter so he has no voice in what he likes and dislikes, nor is he even allowed to express his dislike. This is cruel, whether Amanda realized it or not. He was just a baby! She also should have kept demanding Davy OUT of her nurturing care of her own baby, leaving him to cry alone; SHE was the mother, not Davey.

Speaking in generalities; these mothers who allow their so-called godly husband to rule over how they are to nurture, feed and raise their own baby makes my skin crawl. Being the dutiful, submissive wife, they give every decision over to a self-centered fool who has no direction on how to be a mother, which is HER responsibility, and HER decision, not his; all under that 'christian' attitude of a wife being under her husbands' rule and his subjection. The wife/mother doesn't have sense enough to know how to care for her own child? This is sickening.

Pretty soon these mothers who agreeably hand their authority over to the demanding authoritative heavy-hand of a bully husband/father will be standing back and keeping their mouth shut when he abuses the child who is allowed no mind of his own, all under the guise of him ruling the roost while she obeys his authority over her. Which is exactly the direction this poor baby was/is headed in. ABB

Anonymous said...

I thought it was a zit. Now we think it looks more like a scratch? I wonder if Amanda was swabbed or if clippings and tissue was taken from her nails? I would imagine ER attendants would have been more concerned with saving her life at the time, then others would have bathed her to cleanse away infectious blood and tissue residue, also trying to make her comfortable, wouldn't you think? Actually, she was already dead for quite a while, wasn't she, while life support was being used to keep her vital organs alive for transplant, right? Did anyone take DNA samples?

Well, for damned sure we'll never know if any member of the family were to be asked that or anything else. OR Indy LE. They were all too busy swooning over Davey, giving him a pass while sister Amber sang and danced around the mulberry bush.

I get disgusted every time I think of these families. There they are, both fathers pastors of growing successful churches. Either or both could have announced to their membership that they needed to raise funds to offer as a reward for Amanda's attackers/killers and the money would have poured in! They could have easily raised $50K-$100K from their church members, and not even have been concerned about having to pay it back. Even fake-preacher Nobel could have raised his own big reward fund, AND kept it. It was no skin off their nose to raise a decent reward.

It's not like they would have had to take out a bank loan, run up their credit cards, sell a car or two and all the antiques in the house, or mortgage their homes like most of the rest of us would have to do! It wouldn't have cost either of them one thin dime of their own money. Not only that, since the money would not have been used to expend as reward money, it would have gone right into their church coffers to use however they deemed fit.

They didn't give a good crap about helping to bring Amanda's attackers/murderers to justice. And THEY are leaders of churches? They make me wanna puke! I won't even ask what goes through the mind of people like them; no matter what they would say I would not be able to find an excuse for them. There isn't one. ABB

Anonymous said...

To expound, I wonder where these fake preachers like Davey Blackburn, pastor Nobel, and for all I know perhaps both pastors in the Blackburn families, think they got the "CALL" to preach? From WHOM? God doesn't "call" preachers to distort and twist his Holy Word, like Nobel did when he rewrote the commandments that God gave directly to Moses. That alone proves Nobel and all those who follow are fakes.

God calls devout men (and some women) to preach and teach of the love and sacrifice of His only begotten sinless Son, Jesus, whom he sent to save our souls from the wrath to come and how they MUST be reborn in His spirit and baptized in His holy name; NOT about their sex life, their fun vacations, their disdain for their wife, their damaged grill, their false guidance of children, and bla bla bla; everything BUT the love of our savior and Him crucified and resurrected for OUR sins.

I grew up in a church where the pastor lived with his wife and four children in a small apartment attached to the rear of the little church; he had a full-time low-paying job as an unlicensed electrician trained on the job, the best he could do, had no formal education. There was no big congregation, bringing in the sheaves, but he managed to get in there and hold services on Sun morn, Sun night, Wed and Fri nights and the people came to hear the Word of God and sing His praises.

They struggled just to keep the light bill and his 6:00 am Sunday morning radio program paid, the cheapest air time he could get; all purely by donations and small tithes. There were no cruises to Israel or big beautiful gymnasium and no molesting children. Nobody ever even heard of such a thing. THIS was a Godly man who preached HARD the plan of salvation and baptized us in the gravel pit. Where ARE these hard preaching Godly men now? I'd love to find one. ABB

Mdkd6262 said...

Anon @ 0301 good catch!

ABB @ 0339 well said...

FYI re: possible scratch to DB face... per the 1st PC document nail scrapings were collected from AB as well as a forensic exam was performed at Methodist hospital. Also, bullets were recovered from her left bicep & head.

Anonymous said...

P.S... and one more thing our church did back then that you do not see now, nor have I ever seen it again: The preacher always gave an altar call at the end of each service, yes also including on Sundays mornings, there was no big rush to head out for a big Sunday dinner. Every once in a while some got together for lunch at a nearby café, we did not have kitchens, or bring food and entertain each other.

He preached HARD then begged hard for people to come forward to repent of their sins. They did. If he felt someone there needed to repent, he just kept preaching until they came forward to repent, then one might lead to another and so on. If nobody came forward, eventually he stopped and concluded with a final prayer. This was a call to come down to the alter to pray; there was no stepping forward and saying "I accept you Jesus". They got down on their knees, repented, and begged Jesus to forgive their sins and accept THEM; not them accepting Jesus.

Now, it's all "I accept you Jesus." What about Jesus accepting THEM? AND they prayed, and they prayed, and they prayed, with the brothers and sisters kneeling down to pray WITH them until they prayed through. Some got tired of praying I guess and left, but they came back next time and prayed some more until they KNEW they had prayed through to the Holy Spirit.

There was none of this 'signing a pledge' to join the church or to obligate themselves to pay tithes. But they came, and they did bring in their small tithes and offerings. Where is all this Godly church love now? Wish I could find it. ABB

Anonymous said...

Thanks for your response MdKd; yes, I think I remember reading something about that. I apologize, but the thing is, I have not read the PC documents neither have I seen most of the videos either. I'm remiss in this but I admit these people make me feel disgusted and nauseous with their playing God and church.

There have been days that I couldn't stomach hearing anymore about Davey Blackburn and his ilk, and gave up for the day. I am in a total state of mystery about people like him and Nobel who have no fear of God and his teachings and warnings whatsoever. If one is to believe Bible prophecy, with so much of it already having happened and having been proved, both scientifically and historically; then here we are in the end of the end times, only we don't know how long ARE the end days, a time when we all need to be turning our eyes homeward; and they live in the day, for themselves and for their bank roll. It's really very frightening to me. ABB

Anonymous said...

One more thing about our preacher then I'm going to bed; not sleeping so well sometimes. Sorry; not meaning to get personal, a little sickly occasionally.

An interesting mind diversion from Davey Blackburn: The preacher decided that he was going down to George Wallace's office to get him to repent. So he took off work one afternoon, went down to George Wallace's office, couldn't just walk in to see him but was allowed to make an appointment. He took off work again and went back. From there he and George Wallace became friends, meeting together once a week; every Wednesday afternoon the preacher took off work and went down to Wallace's office. This continued as long as Wallace was in office and beyond.

Wallace never came to our church so I don't know the end result; but I do know the preacher never gave up preaching HARD until you repented so I would imagine that's exactly what Wallace had to do, even if it was just down on the floor in his office. They went on being friends and getting together in Wallace's office every Wednesday afternoon for prayer meeting. Do preachers do this now? Maybe Billy Graham did but I've never heard of another. Sorry for the long dialogue. ABB

Bingo3 said...

I just don't understand how these guys would not be talking if they were in fact hired? Can someone give me insight to this? I agree wholeheartedly that how he is acting and the things he has been saying are completely mind boggling.

Anon "I" said...

Bingo3, it is very possible that a higher point man was directing the actions of the ones who did the crime. They may have just been following directions without knowing who was ultimately behind the plan from the outset if that turns out to be the case. Low level gang members/participants would NOT snitch on a higher level leader. First, they may not know everything that he/she knew (so nothing to talk about) and they dare not put their own life, or that of their families, in danger as the payback could be brutal. It would be better to go to prison quietly than to go to prison (or stay free for that matter) being known as a "snitch."

Hey Jude said...

Anon 'I' and Lynda - I've thought that about Davey, too - he's developmentally 'stuck' at whatever age he was traumatised, as can happen with those who were sexually abused, particularly if it was not disclosed, and continued over time. I wonder about some of his leadership friends, too - they share the same 'lavatorial' sense of humour and need to be in control.

Rosy - that's my point - I can't take too seriously Davey's ideas about sin - if he doesn't take sin that seriously, then he would be able to 'justify' involvement in Amanda's murder and still find himself to be in a good place with God - so good that 'God' himself would visit him in the shower and relieve Davey of any responsibility for it. He is a con artist, but as with so many dubious evangelist types, I think he also cons himself, to a greater or lesser degree, because he needs to be able to believe at least some of what he is saying in order to be able to convince others, continue his 'ministry', and to keep up the charade.

L - I agree, it's easy to see Amanda and Davey as polar opposites. It can be acknowledged that Amanda must have had had her faults and failings, though, as do we all - we can't know her well enough to know what those were, but child abuse doesn't spring to my mind - as she's not here to rebutt criticism I find some of the opinions way too OTT.

Conscientious first-time parents tend to be over-anxious, sometimes ridiculously so (see Mumsnet) about getting it right, but will still sometimes get it wrong. We'd all disagree with someone about what is best for baby, but I think some of the comments here are overly harsh as Amanda is dead, and has no means or right of reply.

The green veggie video, I'd incline towards 'ah well, better luck next time, mom and baby' - he's tired, he doesn't like it - she's disappointed as she probably spent twenty minutes preparing veggies which would be good for him and more nutritious than sweet potato, which she probably wishes he didn't like quite so much - because she's a new mum she thinks he's going to fade away if he doesn't start eating his greens. No-one here has been there, not even once? Okay. :)

The commercial video - I'd say that was unfortunate, but also that she knew and regretted that, and probably wished she hadn't agreed for him to be in it - realistically though, she didn't know he would be upset; the commercial probably took longer to make than anticipated, and she wasn't to know it would turn out quite like that for Weston - perhaps it was Amanda's introduction to 'stranger anxiety'. From her comment, Amanda felt badly for Weston's distress, and consoled herself with the belief that it would be 'worth it'. If she didn't feel bad about it, that would have been concerning - but she did. It seems evident to me that Amanda loved Weston and wanted to get it right, but that she sometimes got it wrong, which is just how it goes.

Hey Jude said...

Ps Rosy - I don't mean that he believed what he said about God speaking to him in the shower - he didn't. Just that he could justify saying and doing anything, yet still find himself to be in a good place with God, if his understanding of sin and forgiveness is as undeveloped as it appears to be.

JMTO said...

I am not saying I agree with this type of parenting- nor do I condone it ABB.

I am saying that maybe there were things she tried- and things she didn't.
It's obvious she felt bad about the video- she talks of scarring Weston for life.
It was on her mind and in her language.

What I am not going to do is base her parenting and whether or not Weston was abused by Amanda by two videos.
There are plenty of information on Instagram to prove she loved her baby, was attentive, and wasn't abusive.

Parenting techniques differ. I am more attachment parenting.
There are parents who let their children "cry it out" without even reading Babywise.
I could never let my baby cry it out- or try and make them nurse on my schedule and not theirs.
My son just turned 3 yesterday- and he only started sleeping through the night at 2 years old.
I nursed him until he was two.
There are PLENTY of people who don't agree with that.
And plenty of people that do.

What I am trying to say is- it was obvious that her peers practiced Babywise methods.
And obvious from Davey's Twitter post that he swears by these books.
I'm not saying it was right but she was under a lot of pressure as a first time mother to do this right.
You can tell in the video with Weston that she was frustrated and discouraged.
Maybe she posted it so she could get some encouragement from her friends.
But after the "commercial" video- she def felt bad.

If these books- that I would not use on my child for anything- were being used to a "T" by Amanda- then why was there still stress from Weston for Davey?
What would the stress be?

Anonymous said...

There was a picture (maybe Amber's FB page) of Amber holding Amanda's hand in the hospital. Amanda's nails look very short, like maybe she was a nail-biter. My daughter is a nail-biter and could not scratch anyone. So, I don't know how that plays out in the "DNA under the nails" scenario.

Kate said...

The picture of Weston sitting on the stairs, he looks healthy and perfect. He is a absolutely adorable. I'm more worried about who Weston is surrounded by. He's SCREWED with that bunch around him.

In about 14 to 15 years we'll be seeing signs of that. Maybe sooner, maybe later. Having Davey Blackburn as a father who is surrounded by weak, uncaring people will be Weston's biggest problem in life. I know it's not nice to say, but both Davey and Amanda's surrounding family and friends were and are rotten people, in my opinion. I think there are a lot of people who see right through these type of people. When James was discussing Amanda and referred to his "bucket list", I was so surprised. Why would a brother refer to his bucket list when talking about memories of his dead sister? Or refer to a story when they were little and how they used to taunt Amanda, telling her she was going directly to hell.

The whole lot of them are like robots. Maybe Amanda was trying to reach out for help, who knows if that lunatic dad or stepford wife mom even bothered to listen.

Kate said...

In almost every single sermon Davey does, he refers to the fact that he needs help, he still gets counseling, he and Amanda go to counseling, his son Weston is a heathen. In some sermons, he repeats these points often.

The above combined with how Davey acted, with how Davey talked, with how Davey treated Amanda, no one saw anything troubling about the two?

At the time of death, James and Amber were on vacation with their parents, why wasn't Amanda with them? If Amanda was with them, she wouldn't have died. No guilt there either? Nope, just talk of bucket lists and how "that girl" never gave a minute of trouble. I find the lack of guilt with everyone surrounding Amanda and a strong drive for money and media, to be very telling.

Anon "I" said...

Anon @ 11:27- Lets hope that they had trimmed her fingernails right away for evidence.

JMTO said...


ABB said.....
Speaking in generalities; these mothers who allow their so-called godly husband to rule over how they are to nurture, feed and raise their own baby makes my skin crawl. Being the dutiful, submissive wife, they give every decision over to a self-centered fool who has no direction on how to be a mother, which is HER responsibility, and HER decision, not his; all under that 'christian' attitude of a wife being under her husbands' rule and his subjection. The wife/mother doesn't have sense enough to know how to care for her own child? This is sickening.

Pretty soon these mothers who agreeably hand their authority over to the demanding authoritative heavy-hand of a bully husband/father will be standing back and keeping their mouth shut when he abuses the child who is allowed no mind of his own, all under the guise of him ruling the roost while she obeys his authority over her. Which is exactly the direction this poor baby was/is headed in. ABB
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Thank you for your thoughts and opinions about this matter, ABB.

This is exactly what I am trying to get at.
This was her life, was her life with Weston and would continue being her life with Evie.
Amanda was sick of it.
Amanda was a strong woman before he met Davey I believe- and it probably took her watching him be the way he was with Weston, wanting her to be the same way towards her baby, thinking back of listening to him drone on and on about women being whores and prostitutes but a mans mentality towards a woman's dress is okay, knowing when Evie got here he would be especially cruel bc she was a girl, and would be treated the same if not worse than Weston.
And Davey would expect it from Amanda too.

I think that, added wth her last journal entry that "We don't know what the future holds...."

She was thinking of getting out.

That's JMTO

Anonymous said...

Affidavit states this on page 18 -

"Forensic specialist Melissa Wilson recovered bullets from Blackburn's head and left biceps. She also obtained nail scrapings. An exam had previously been done at Methodist Hospital by Forensic Nurse Tammy Wolverton.

From that, it looks like fingernails were "available" for evidence - whether any DNA was found and whose it was remains to be seen. And now I'm even more curious about the wound/scratch on Davey's face in the interviews.

flightfulbird

rosy said...

From Amanda's diary. Davey Blackburn post this on Twitter 7 hours ago, Dec 27 at 8:08 AM:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXPAUqMWQAE5rB3.jpg

Last section:

"Sometimes it is difficult to live in your will Lord. But I know that your will is perfect. And no matter what these next few months may look like . . no matter how out of control I feel & am, no matter what things came [or, come?] as a surprise . . and no matter how hard it may be, I know you enough to trust that you are holding us. F& that there is a reason for everything. Thank you for leading us Father. I love you so much.

rosy said...

^^ the F is my typo. Should read: "holding us. & that there is a reason for everything."

rosy said...

Context: ‏@daveyblackburn 7h7 hours ago

Encouraging words from Amanda . . . When life goes differently than planned -
https://twitter.com/daveyblackburn

Kate said...

At one of the pressers from IMPD, Major Eric Hench says; "To the individual that commited this crime, you are not as good as you think you are, you left behind evidence, we will find it, we have found it, we will find you and we will not stop until we get you."

This statement has always been strange, from the video surveillance alone, they knew they were dealing with more than 1 suspect, why emphasis on a single person? Or was that to be more of a blanket statement? When he speaks to the evidence, "we will find it, we have found it" just messing up his words?

After a few of you were talking about Davey's scratch or pimple on his face, I went back and looked and it does look more like a scratch than a pimple. Hard to tell, does anyone have a better picture or video of that area on his face?

maudes harold said...

rosy said...

From Amanda's diary

"Sometimes it is difficult to live in your will Lord. But I know that your will is perfect. And no matter what these next few months may look like . . no matter how out of control I feel & am, no matter what things came [or, come?] as a surprise . . and no matter how hard it may be, I know you enough to trust that you are holding us. F& that there is a reason for everything. Thank you for leading us Father. I love you so much."

==

This was from this morning??? And we were just discussing Amanda, control and so forth, yesterday......prescient or was he reading here?

rosy said...

maudes harold said ....
at 4:38 PM

from 8 AM this morning. A photo of the red-bordered journal page, starting with a quotation. In full:

"Jeremiah 18:4.

"But the pot he was shaping from the clay was marred in his hands' so the potter formed it into another pot, shaping it as second best to him.

"That verse is an incredible reminder, I feel like there have been so many things in our lives that have gone completely different that we planned. And it's like you are shaping things as seems best to you. And I know that is the best way.

Take my life and let it be
consecrated Lord to thee.

Sometimes it is difficult to live in your will Lord. But I know that your will is perfect. And no matter what these next few months may look like . . no matter how out of control I feel & am, no matter what things came [or, come?] as a surprise . . and no matter how hard it may be, I know you enough to trust that you are holding us. & that there is a reason for everything. Thank you for leading us Father. I love you so much."
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXPAUqMWQAE5rB3.jpg:large




rosy said...

@daveyblackburn Tweeted at 9.30 Am this morning Dec 27:

"Yet this I call to mind & therefore I have hope: b/c of the Lord's great love we are not consumed, 4 His compassions never fail" Lam. 3:21

Anonymous said...

Kate said: The picture of Weston sitting on the stairs, he looks healthy and perfect. He is a absolutely adorable. I'm more worried about who Weston is surrounded by. He's SCREWED with that bunch around him.

In about 14 to 15 years we'll be seeing signs of that. Maybe sooner, maybe later. Having Davey Blackburn as a father who is surrounded by weak, uncaring people will be Weston's biggest problem in life. I know it's not nice to say, but both Davey and Amanda's surrounding family and friends were and are rotten people, in my opinion. I think there are a lot of people who see right through these type of people. When James was discussing Amanda and referred to his "bucket list", I was so surprised. Why would a brother refer to his bucket list when talking about memories of his dead sister? Or refer to a story when they were little and how they used to taunt Amanda, telling her she was going directly to hell.

The whole lot of them are like robots. Maybe Amanda was trying to reach out for help, who knows if that lunatic dad or stepford wife mom even bothered to listen.



So Amanda was raised by what you call her "rotten" family, and she turned out OK, but Weston, being surrounded by the same rotten bunch, is "screwed," according to you?

Seems to me if you (and others here) are really so concerned about Weston, you wouldn't say so many rotten things about his grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. He might see this stuff one day.

Anon "I" said...

So, what was the surprise? Evie? DB?

Hey Jude said...

I watched online, Phil, Amanda's dad, preaching from his church, Elkhart First Baptist, on Sunday. He said he is reading Levi Lusko's 'Through the Eyes of a Lion' and had been moved to tears in the first few pages. That's the book Davey was waxing lyrical about a few weeks ago - so Phil's getting his reading list from Davey, (or maybe they both were given it by Perry Noble on that interview day). He's a strong man, and the show must go on - I do wonder how he can stand it, though; mostly I hope they are just humouring Davey rather than thinking that they may as well try to capitalise on Amanda's murder, too, for the advancement of 'the Kingdom', or whatever - Levi's little daughter's death in a traffic accident somehow 'aided' his ministry.

rosy said...

Hey Jude said
at 6:02 PM
Levi's little daughter's death in a traffic accident somehow 'aided' his ministry.
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For the record the Luskos' daughter died of an asthma attack.

Anonymous said...

DB 2nd great grandfather: http://i65.tinypic.com/11tpu21.jpg

DB 3rd great grandfather - a "Reverend" who had four wives:
http://i63.tinypic.com/2h6vdk8.jpg

Anonymous said...

I agree Weston is screwed. He has his father's crazy DNA and both sides of his family are brainwashed that Jesus comes first and therefore lack critical thinking skills.

I can't imagine living a life where every single thought and sentence one utters includes some sort of religious slant. Talk about brainwashing...

Do these families wake up thinking about God, talk about God all day, and go to sleep dreaming about God? How boring.

Amanda seemed fine, but rather milquetoast. She charged good money for furniture she found free or cheap and painted white and distressed (she did not refinish furniture, really).

I would love to have Weston and raise him in a home with free and critical thinking, science, art, music--whatever he wanted--without every single thing in his life underscored by religion.

Just thinking of his future makes me sad.

Bobcat said...

Anon 6:34.

Seriously! Even Jesus drank wine and partied. He took time off.

People say "the devil never takes a day off" ... so I wonder about those who can never take a moment off from talking about Jesus - what have they become?

It reminds me of an old SNL sketch with Sally Field and Phil Hartman. She prayed about everything all day long, and Phil showed up as an annoyed Jesus. Hahaha!
Video link: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/dont-pray-so-much/n10516

Bobcat said...

That video shows my age ... or my excellent memory. It's 22 years old, but still hilarious!

rosy said...

Has anyone put forward a reliable explanation for why the 2 accused perps who took the debit card did NOT take all the credit cards with them?

Kate said...

Anon @ 5:22 So Amanda was raised by what you call her "rotten" family, and she turned out OK, but Weston, being surrounded by the same rotten bunch, is "screwed," according to you?
Seems to me if you (and others here) are really so concerned about Weston, you wouldn't say so many rotten things about his grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc. He might see this stuff one day.
============================================================================

I hope you're right. I hope Weston does read here one day and he has his first "AHA" moment. Maybe that will clear a few things up for him. You point out that I shouldn't say these things, but offer nothing to back it up. You can't say they were all over media, begging for the public to help find the killer(s). You can't say they collected money and upped the reward amount instead of stuffing the donations in their pockets. They said very few kind things about Amanda and a whole lot of cheerleading for Daveyboy. Even the neighbor's showed more emotion and thought than the family/friends. Yes, it's a rotten family when they live in an illusion that their wife/daughter/sister/friend was almost as easily disposed of as a candy wrapper.

Kate said...

One last thought Anon. I've never said I thought Amanda was "ok". In fact, the only thing I can say is that she seemed like a very sweet girl who didn't have enough common sense to stay away from the likes of Davey Blackburn and no one in her circle could see the warning signs. No one helped her get out of a marriage that couldn't be further away from a god-like marriage.

It's 2015, if a woman enters into a marriage where the husband demands sex and claims the wife has no say so in the matter, is troubling in itself. Mix in the rest of crazy Davey and you've got perfect recipe for a DOOMED marriage and life. -jmo

Anonymous said...

I think AB knew all along DB was gay, and she was not in the relationship for love. Sociopaths aren't capable of love..

They weren't having sex like DB claimed...

As for anyone to save her? She could have left if not brainwashed...

JMTO said...

Obviously some sex was had, anon.

She gave birth to Weston and got pregnant with Evie.

It occurred to me that maybe invitro could be involved, but then Amanda didn't seem too much in a hurry to get pregnant from the Twitter posts someone posted about catching pregnant ladies "cooties."

Anonymous said...

To Kate @7:01 What credible support do you provide for your statements other than ignorance, irresponsibility, and a total and complete lack of compassion for Amanda and Weston Blackburn?

Go ahead, make the expected accusations that I am DB or a friend or relative. Discerning readers with an ounce of intelligence will see the truth.

Kate said...

Anon@8:44
I'm tired of answering and then having you run off when you have no come back. And when I say "you" I do not mean you directly, just anonymous posters who randomly show their faces when a post upsets them enough. I won't accuse you of being Davey Blackburn, I'm not really interested in who you are, contrary to your high opinion of yourself.

Instead of me answering your question, why don't you answer mine? What credible support do you have to refute my opinions?

I'll queue the crickets.

Anonymous said...

Here is what I'm noticing in the comments on nearly every one of the posts about the Blafkburn case. The further along it gets, the more some of the commenters delve into Amanda and/or her family. The things that have been said go really far, and some are quite disrespectful/hateful/ugly. How she was as a mother?? Every single parent who is reading this cannot say they've never made mistakes, said/done something they shouldn't have, and so on. No one can judge the type of parent or person another is based on a few social media postings. Whay has really struck me though, is how these comments about Amanda/her family are acceptable here, more than a few commenters get crazy when someone comments on the way a few posters here enjoy calling names and acting above everyone else. Those posts get deleted. So as I'm understanding the "rules" here, when an innocent woman is murdered, its a free for all discussion on how she was a mother/wife/Christian/person, but its a big no no to take a commenter to task on their name calling/perceived superiority/drama/all about me. Do I have it right?

Anonymous said...

Check out this driver's license of Davey. Looks like a mug shot. Even Amanda said he looked like a criminal.

http://ink361.com/app/users/ig-17063048/amandagblackburn/photos/ig-305891277238412704_17063048

Anonymous said...

anonymous@9:04

Unfortunately, when you tweet every aspect of your "private" life, it no longer becomes "private" and it is up to speculation of the public. Especially if your social media is open to the public.

Anonymous said...

Anon @921

Yes I understand that. It is no different from some of the posters here laying out every detail of their lives for us to read (publicly). Then people get all crazy when those posters words are used to call them out. Same principle. Different rules apparently.

Anonymous said...

The very same type of things that have been said about Amanda and/or her family (excluding Davey) have been said between commenters here, but when that happens it's "slander", threats get thrown around, posts get deleted.

Anonymous said...

It's the reason I'm choosing to post as anonymous these few times. I won't be threatened because someone else doesn't like what I've said.

Anonymous said...

No one has forced DB to interview, tweet, video "sermons", and instagram for public view. He has voluntarily put himself out there for public scrutiny.

Anonymous said...

Anon @944

I'm not talking about Davey. I'm talking about Amanda and/or her family. They didn't put themselves out there like Davey has done. People have dug into Amanda's social media and tried to piece together who she was through small snippets and I think that's unfair to her. I think Davey is fair enough game, as he has the choice to shut up or not, and not do interviews, take the sermons down, make is social media private. Amanda does not have that choice.

Anonymous said...

That's not even the point of my post. The point is, some people here find it okay to pick her apart through small pieces of social media. Yet there are some posters here who have given us details of their lives, and gotten ridiculous with their posts and when someone else takes them to task, using THIER OWN WORDS, people here get crazy, like "how dare you". But its perfectly okay to tear apart a woman who is dead, and unable to defend herself. Its hypocrisy.

Anonymous said...

@anon 9:49

I agree with you about Amanda because she's not here to defend herself. However, her instagram was not private (I don't know about tweets b/c I'm not on twitter). But, in her defense, she might not have seen any reason, at the time, to have a private instagram account. Unfortunately, it's out there now.

Kate said...

Anon@9:55
. But its perfectly okay to tear apart a woman who is dead, and unable to defend herself. Its hypocrisy.
=======================================================================================

Davey led, the rest followed. Are you this upset with Davey?

Anonymous said...

Right. I'm sure if she had known ahead of time, her whole social media presence would be private. She cannot control that now. Davey can make them private, and I guess he chooses not to.

Bobcat said...

Davey is posting pages of her diary.

JBB said...

I have to agree with Anon 9:30 to an extent about the analysis of Amanda, particularly about the Baby Wise/Ferber method stuff. While I don't agree with that kind of parenting, it seems to me Amanda was a willing participant. To say that she was being pressured into it by Davey (which some have alluded) is not fair. There is no way to read that deeply into her SM posts. However, I do think that your life is "fair game," so to speak, if you are going to post online every time you break wind (Derek Barrett, ie) or celebrate a birthday or holiday (DB, AB, everyone in their circle). To me, DB and AB are a product of their generation and it's clear to me they couldn't do much of anything (including the ForIndy so-called "random acts of kindness") without making a SM public display of it.

For me, based on reading all DB's and Amanda's social media posts, they seem typical enough of the new-age millennial Christian. I agree that their onstage church interactions show a condescending husband, but I also think that was the life AB signed up for. Most people of this particular Christian mindset view women as inferior, so although it is sad and tragic for this day and age, watching Amanda being minimized is probably not entirely disconcerting for the congregation. This is the Christian club they've all agreed to join.

I am not so sure DB "despised "his wife to the extent some have postulated. It seems to me that we (including myself) project our own values for a "good" marriage onto the relationship between DB and AB......

Possibly, DB didn't think things would turn out this way--that he never intended for this to end in murder--maybe he knew the thugs via drug dealing, etc.? But, there are so many coincidences on the timeline, that I am not FULLY convinced of that. Possibly, this was a hit--but how? Still, so many questions about why the perps haven't given up anything that connects DB to them.

As to his SM after the murder: I say it's part of his nature to make a public display of his life. In my opinion, he must use SM to share his rationale for this tragedy, and I believe he needs to convince himself that this tragedy fits into his new-age Christian philosophies. Whether it was a hit or, say, a retaliation crime (against him), I do not think he will stop with the SM. He NEEDS TO BELIEVE--in whatever bull he's putting out there.

Just my thoughts, of course.

Anonymous said...

OK Kate, so you're saying that because Amanda's family hasn't grieved the way you deem appropriate, that means they're rotten? Do you really know them so well? Sometimes it takes a little while for a terrible tragedy like this to sink in for a victim's loved ones

Personally, I think Amanda's brother should be able to say whatever he wants. Perhaps the unexpected, violent death of his sister got him thinking about his own mortality, causing him to bring up his bucket list. What does it matter? She was his sister ... not yours. Nobody here knew her. Nobody here loved her or misses her.

It's possible the reason they weren't begging for help finding the killer is that LE told them early-on they had already identified the suspects. Maybe LE asked them not to up the reward for some reason. (After all, if no one ever snitches, a big reward wouldn't really help, right?) Who knows? I don't, and neither do you. You're passing judgment on Amanda's family based on assumptions.

Also, please show me proof that Amanda's family pocketed donation money.

Still waiting on your statement analysis that indicates Ryan McConnell is involved ;)

Anonymous said...

Kate at 10:02, are you as upset with the guys charged in Amanda'so death as you are with her family/friends? Have you ever called the suspects "rotten"?

Anonymous@8:44 PM said...

Kate said...
At the time of death, James and Amber were on vacation with their parents, why wasn't Amanda with them? If Amanda was with them, she wouldn't have died. No guilt there either? Nope, just talk of bucket lists and how "that girl" never gave a minute of trouble. I find the lack of guilt with everyone surrounding Amanda and a strong drive for money and media, to be very telling.
December 27, 2015 at 1:14 PM

^^ignorant and unjustified^^

Kate said...
The picture of Weston sitting on the stairs, he looks healthy and perfect. He is a absolutely adorable. I'm more worried about who Weston is surrounded by. He's SCREWED with that bunch around him.
December 27, 2015 at 1:04 PM

^^irresponsible^^

Kate said...
Yes, it's a rotten family when they live in an illusion that their wife/daughter/sister/friend was almost as easily disposed of as a candy wrapper.
December 27, 2015 at 7:01 PM

^^harsh and unkind^^

JBB said...

anon @ 10:20-
Most people are looking at the non-reactions of Amanda's family as not "typical" because they are 'not typical." The "everyone grieves differently" argument doesn't really work for this case. There have been no public statements by the family, even in light of SO MUCH public display of their own daughter's/sister's life by DB on social media that he is making so PUBLIC. It seems only natural that MOST (okay, not ALL--but, MOST) people would finally react to this.

When a man gets to the point of calling his wife's murder a case of martyrdom which might even serve to save two illiterate thugs, most people would react. Where's the protective "mama bear" in Amanda Blackburn's own mother? That, to me, is far more harsh and unkind than someone calling out AB's mother for her lack of response to the fool husband, Davey Blackburn.

Kate said...

Was it "irresponsible" when Davey brought an airsoft gun to church? Was it "harsh and unkind" when Davey belittled and demeaned his wife on a regular basis? Was it "ignorant and unjustified" when Davey wondered outloud to his church why women never think about sex? Or to clear the counter and have his way with his wife right on the counter? Or when he left his front door unlocked? Was it "harsh and unkind" for Davey to sit out in his driveway for 50 minutes, while his wife lay bleeding out in their home? Was it "ignorant" for Davey to report Amanda's injuries as wounds, despite the blatant crime scene?

Peter can delete my comments, no problem with that. But the fact remains that you cannot refute a sentence of it. Only to point out it was "mean". Did you ever think it was deliberate? I know you're hanging in the weeds, but you just couldn't help yourself when you read the post, could you? ;)

Anonymous said...

anon@ 8:44 p.m.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And YOUR opinion is that the remarks on this blog are irresponsible, harsh, unkind, ignorant, unjustified, whatever. Everyone on this blog would say that DB opinions (on social media and church videos) of his wife were irresponsible, harsh, unkind, ignorant, unjustified, whatever. How do you justify THAT?

Anonymous said...

Kate @1002

You asked "are you this upset with Davey?" I think Davey is a dirtbag. While I don't agree that its okay to scrutinize Amanda or her family based on social media, I won't tell anyone else they shouldn't do it. Posters here get crazy though when the same type of things you and others have said about Amanda/her family are said between posters. I don't understand that. Let me give an example. Recently, someone said something not so nice about ABB's son. People here started describing it as rude, disrespectful, nasty and so on. It was "slander" and threats were thrown around. What the person said regarding ABB's son is no different than things being said about Amanda/her family, yet it seems to be perfectly okay to say them. Its not been called rude, disrespectful and nasty. Do you see what I'm saying?

Anonymous@8:44 PM said...

@Kate 10:35 PM

I offered no defense for Davey's statements or actions after Amanda's murder, but I will point this out:

1. You have no proof that leaving the door unlocked was deliberate.
2. You have no proof that lingering outside on the phone was deliberate.
3. Not only do you have no proof, you have not an inkling of Davey's exact statements in the 911 call.

My post addressed your harsh, unjustified and totally irresponsible accusations aimed at Amanda's family. To say that you hope little Weston will some day read the cruel comments about his family because he is "screwed" "speaks volumes", as some are fond of saying. Have you considered for a moment that law enforcement has advised Amanda's family to limit their public comments. That's standard operating procedure after a homicide while suspects await prosecution. So before you condemn her family, why not extend the benefit of the doubt to them until you know all of the facts.

Concerned said...

Considering that social media is essentially free advertising for someone pushing a brand, I sometimes think Amanda's posts on SM may not have been her words at all but those of"mad-for-advertisement" Davey.
He made reference a while back to the fact that she wasn't computer savvy. I'm inclined not to judge her for words she may not have even written.
Would anyone be surprised if he was the author?

Anonymous said...

anon@11:06

"Limit" their comments? They are EMBRACING him!

Bobcat said...

http://tinypic.com/r/206hnbp/9

Apples & trees. My pictures didn't work earlier - gave me more time to narrow it down. I found a third great grandfather who either
1) left a young woman pregnant with no support or (loser)
2) slept with his housekeeper while cheating on his wife (liar)

In any case, I found the officially "questionable" part of the family tree. In cases like this, you will almost always find something if you look hard enough - even though families are very good at burying things.

JBB said...

Concerned @ 11:15--
Maybe...But, Amanda did post A LOT. Do you think DB could have done that much posting for her?

One thing that I found odd about AB's posting is that she posted almost daily and then, boom, no more after late August. I have wondered if something "changed" in her life that would make her stop with all the SM?

Any thoughts about the abrupt end to postings?

Anonymous said...

@JBB

You mean twitter or instagram posts?

Kate said...

Anon@11:02
yet it seems to be perfectly okay to say them. Its not been called rude, disrespectful and nasty. Do you see what I'm saying?
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Yes, I understand what you are saying but your comparison of ABB isn't even close. ABB comes on here anonymously and doesn't go on tv to discuss her loss. She hasn't presented a family celebration video and given it to the press for viewing and she didn't pass her church mic to a sneaky, snakey, horrific man. So it's hard to compare someone who remains private, to others who do not. But I get what you're saying and I will not speak on the extended family again unless they put themselves back in the spotlight. Fair enough?

JBB said...

anon @ 11:31
I think it was Twitter. I believe it ended August 21. I should look to be sure which SM it was!
Had she posted on other SM after August?

Kate said...

anon@11:06
I offered no defense for Davey's statements or actions after Amanda's murder, but I will point this out:
1. You have no proof that leaving the door unlocked was deliberate.
2. You have no proof that lingering outside on the phone was deliberate.
3. Not only do you have no proof, you have not an inkling of Davey's exact statements in the 911 call.
My post addressed your harsh, unjustified and totally irresponsible accusations aimed at Amanda's family. To say that you hope little Weston will some day read the cruel comments about his family because he is "screwed" "speaks volumes", as some are fond of saying. Have you considered for a moment that law enforcement has advised Amanda's family to limit their public comments. That's standard operating procedure after a homicide while suspects await prosecution. So before you condemn her family, why not extend the benefit of the doubt to them until you know all of the facts.
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1. And you do not have any proof that he left the door unlocked on accident either.
2. And you have no proof hanging outside wasn't deliberate.
3. Likewise, you have no proof of what Davey said in the call. Ever wonder why it hasn't been released? Ever wonder why NONE of the calls have been released? Be careful what you wish for there, it may come back to haunt you.

I have considered that law enforcement advised others to limit their public comments. Which is why it was so interesting to see Robin Byars lay her hands on Davey in church to pray for him. Interesting, if they even had a notion that Davey could possibly be involved, how Phil could put his arm around him. How James could go golfing with him. It's one thing to play the game, but this whole show is a little over the top, especially a month and a half later.

Again, you can call me out all you want, it only makes you look foolish as my coments are the size of a pin head compared to what Daveyboy has put out there.

Concerned said...

JBB at 11:22
The oddest thing about posts on Amanda's account stopping in August was how that coincided with Meg-the-intern/babysitter's Etsy emergency sale. Wasn't she having to move suddenly and needed money?
So that would have been out of the Blackburn house, right?
I've always thought Amanda caught Meg and Davey in something but I really have nothing on which to base that. Once again, odd coincidences.
I still wonder if Meg is a link in the chain setting up the hit.

As for so many posts going up "from Amanda", I think Davey had plenty of time on his hands to put them out. What else did he have to do?! It might be interesting to go back and read them all with that in mind.

Anonymous said...

Kate @1132

I'll have to agree to disagree with you on ABB remaining private. Through her posts, ahe has told us numerous things about herself, her life and her family, including her full name and even her email address. I think it's a very fair comparison. We don't k ow every little detail of her life, but we know enough to put a summary together, and that's exactly what's been done with both Davey and Amanda. I thank you for having a respectful conversation with me!

Anonymous said...

@JBB

AB's instagram account celebrated DB's birthday and Halloween (where she, Davey, and Weston dressed up like super heros?)

JBB said...

Thanks for the clarification on AB's SM. I didn't know she was on Instagram past August. I had seen the Halloween costumes, but was unaware who had posted them.

I still think it's odd about the Twitter account, considering AB posted so often on it. It is a coincidence that it coincided with Meg's emergency sale. Maybe she moved onto using Instagram all the time rather than Twitter? So sorry to sound ignorant about SM (I don't use it myself)!!!!--but, without Twitter, most people don't post things like those pithy little quotes on Instagram, right? Isn't Instagram used for a photo with a caption? Haha--If I'm correct here, my thinking is that it was odd fro AB to not keep using Twitter. Twitter seems like the perfect place for all those "life quotes" AB and DB liked so much.

Possibly AB had no more "life quotes" she wanted to share? If so, why?
Hope I'm making sense!

Kate said...

Latest Davey sermon is up http://resonateindianapolis.com/mediacast/resonate-church-carrying-hope-in-the-midst-of-hurt/

Anonymous said...

Okay, so Davey's now claiming to be carrying hope in the midst of hurt? What hurt? The man has no hurt, no shame, no conscience, no guilt for having so callously left the front door unlocked accidentally (he claims), KNOWING his neighborhood was/is a high-crime area; no feelings of remorse for the troubled path he led his wife down in their marriage, no blame for their bad sex life that he so humiliated her for publically, no sorrow for the lost baby daughter in gestation, no sadness for his son having lost his mother, no sadness for God losing his child Amanda who loved and trusted him and now put to shame in her brutal death;

no NOTHING, just gleefully praising God that the best is yet to come FOR HIM like as if God had Amanda killed just for him so he could use her gruesome and horribly painful departure, and the life of the baby girl in gestation, just to increase his numbers proving that nothing goes to waste. He looks upon her murder as a BLESSING.

THIS woman was brutally murdered in the most god-awful way there could ever be, yet he danced and sang around her deathbed as she was in the final throes of death? NOW, he's claiming that he's carrying hurt in the midst of pain? OMG, how sick IS this man? Whose murder will be next that can be used for Davey's benefit? Maybe God will visit him in the shower again and tell him of more blessings to come just for him; oh, and he'll have no doubt that this voice came from 'God' to him alone.

Maybe the families on both sides who suck up to his 'level head' while patting him on the back, and who have not spoken one word of genuine bereavement for their daughter/sister/DIL/SIL, nor have they spoken one word of concern for the future of Weston, might want to watch their back; good ole Daveyboy, the dumpling of their eyes, might decide that God told him to go ahead and set up another departure so he can take over one of their plush ministries and really increase his numbers. ABB

Anonymous said...

JMTO, ref your posts from yesterday @11:22 a.m. and 1:23 p.m., not to worry hon; basically we are on the same page.

In your first post; I do believe however, that force feeding Weston at any age to eat foods he does not want and then to ignore his dislike is to create and instill aggression in him, beginning at a very young age. This will cause him to react in a spiteful manner as time goes on, realizing that what he likes and does not like does not matter. No ones' listening.

He is learning now that he cannot trust anyone to hear his voice, they don't care. You cannot teach a child to like a taste they already don't like; you might as well be putting soap in their eyes and laughing about it as they scream. And why should you give them foods they don't like anyway? Do WE eat foods we don't like? You can try to reintroduce the food later on without making a big deal out of it, but that doesn't mean they will ever like it. It's not the end of the world if they never eat peas and broccoli. Just give him foods he likes, forget the rest and load him up with good vitamins. Problem solved.

Babies and children aren't little robots sitting at perfect attention always being gleefully happy. Ignoring his cries and attempting to feed him foods he has already expressed his dislike for will lead very quickly to his aggression towards adults, and particularly his parents, beginning way earlier than his teenage years. It won't be long before he's throwing things at them to get their attention, trying to tell them that he does NOT want this or that. Hard road ahead for little Weston; IMO it won't be long before Davey is slapping him across the room to teach him a lesson.

Re your second post; it's hard to know if Amanda was planning to leave Davey. I rather doubt it, she was trapped with pregnancy #2, with nowhere to go and no money to get there. I hate to say it, but under the conditions she was living under, it's too bad she got pregnant again and her living with a smart/evil/idiot/looney bin; for which I'm SURE he totally blamed her.

For all we know he might have been trying to coerce her into getting an abortion, I certainly wouldn't put it past him, now her hands were tied; which I believe is the very thing that led to her murder. He is evil, 'let the b'tch die', he damned well meant there was not going to be another pregnancy.

I don't doubt though, that she was thoroughly fed up with his shyt, just had no way out and no way to 'fix' him, but still trying with all her might to make it work, always holding her head up; not realizing the real danger she was in until the morning she died. I DO Believe she knew THEN. Bad situation for Amanda, all around. I also believe that at some point she was scared of him. How could she not be? He WAS a lunatic and didn't just get that way. THIS is what she lived with. Poor girl. There was not to be a good end in sight for Amanda. ABB

Anonymous said...

Speaking of the relatives on both sides and preacher Nobel not offering and pleading for funds to be donated to be able to offer a decent reward pot; neither did Davey. He would have had money pouring into a reward fund coming into his IndyResonate church from his little membership, plus the local media and corporations, plus from all over the country AND all three affluent ministries.

What a fool. There's really no telling how much this reward fund could have totaled, with Davey being able to pocket all of it in due time when it wasn't used to pay for info leading to the killer(s); likely multiples of hundreds of thousands of $$$s. Duh. IFFF he's so innocent, he is not only not very smart, he is also an idiot. ABB

Anonymous said...

The little p'rick (and I DO believe that, men who are good in bed don't advertise it, and they DON'T criticize their regular bed partner, they keep her on standby!); could have had a new big beautiful home now, or soon to come; with all new digs, an expensive new car and a huge trust fund set up for Weston's college education AND could be sitting around Starbucks all day every day spinning his grandiose plans. WHAT a dumbass. ABB

lynda said...

I will be posting the transcript of Davey's Dec 23rd sermon later today. Even though Davey has leaked quite a bit of info thru sermons..how reliable is it? Is a sermon a free editing process? Maybe parts? For the most part tho..don't pastors write out their sermons, rehearse, practice, edit, change? I'm anxious to see how much this sermon has been "cleaned up" particularly because there is a high likelihood that Davey has been learning from, and reading this blog.

Anonymous said...

ON THE OTHER HAND; it has occurred to me that maybe the reason Davey DIDN'T set up a decent reward fund for Amanda's killer(s), and may have discouraged others from doing so, was his fear that the suspicion could fall on HIM if a nice enough reward was offered with the possibility that info could lead back to HIMSELF and his participation in Amanda's murder. In that case, maybe he thought he was being smart? I tell ya, ANYTHING is possible with Davey Blackburn.

I do NOT for one minute believe that LE advised everyone to keep quiet about suspicions involving Amanda's murder. I just do NOT believe this; and if they had, what would keep the families from seeking to find her killers anyway? Nothing. ABB

Bingo3 said...

Did anyone else notice in the Christmas service that it is Meg that brings him water and his prop? I guess she is back to being his assistant and buying him jock straps!

Anonymous said...

Thank you Lyndia @ 8:58; this is very nice of you. As for how reliable it might be, your guess is as good as mine. I'd say not. I don't consider anything he says as being reliable, particularly where it skirts all around Jesus and his simple teachings, and rambles on about everything else BUT Jesus, even sex.

I don't know if all or most pastors prewrite their sermons and practice. I've seen many of TV looking at their notes, I just know that the pastor of the church I grew up in didn't. He read a few scriptures from the Bible and took off on his own from there with no notes, sometimes going back to another scripture or two just to prove his point. He was a rare breed; this was a hell-fire-and-brimstone-preacher. He had it right, and knew every warning and every scripture, no need to practice, there they were all in black and white and you WERE going to listen.

He practiced every time he preached, and if you weren't listening he would walk off the podium area and down the aisle a little closer to make SURE you were hearing him. There was no escaping his preaching. he he.. After a while it DOES soak in. My mother made sure we were all there cleaned up pretty and sitting in a row every time the church doors opened for our entire childhood years. She prayed a lot.

Now I believe all of it and how it all came about, having read it in the Bible for myself in recent years. By golly, it's all there, no notes needed. I believe Gov Wallace would have had no escape either and that the preacher DID get his soul saved; he would have had no choice other than to call security, which he never did. I guess it sunk in, like it did with me. But Davey needs notes? Right. ABB

Anonymous said...

Well Bingo, alls I can say is Meg will get her own comeuppance sooner or later. ABB

Bobcat said...

lynda - Thank you!

Anonymous said...

I REALLY WISH PEOPLE WOULD STOP CALLING THE UNBORN CHILD "EVIE" OR REFERRING TO IT AS A GIRL. Davey is the one who chose the gender and assigned a name, in another of his thinks-he's-Godlike moments, and I think it's really unfair and disrespectful to his unborn child for him to have done so. It very well could have been another boy. DB chose female because that's what he wanted it to be, so he could have the perfect family, and because (he thinks) it makes Amanda and the baby seem even more helpless if the baby is female.

Peter Hyatt said...

Was it known that the gender was yet to be established?

I hope to get the theory of Davey's involvement up soon. It is a strong theory and worth of picking it apart.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Oh bullshyt. If you don't want to call the unborn baby Evie or refer to HER as a girl; then don't, but you sure can't tell others here how they should think and talk. You remind me of the dummy who walked up next to me at the coffee grinder in the grocery store and said to me, 'I wouldn't put my hand in the top of that machine if I were you." My response was, then don't. End of story.

BESIDEs Davy did NOT chose the sex of the child just because that's what he 'wanted' it to be, GOD DID. God is the creator and the giver of ALL life whether you believe it or not, or if you like them apples or not. Git over it aleady. ABB

Anne of Port Charlotte said...

My response above was meant for Anon @11.50. ABB

Mdkd6262 said...

Peter-

They did not know sex of unborn child. See below ref to this at the 20 sec mark of video:

http://youtu.be/DjO11rWx55w

Hope this helps

JBB said...

There has been no official confirmation of the sex of the Blackburn child except which came out of DB's mouth. He even said in a TV interview that he and Amanda felt it was a girl--but, not that it had been confirmed by a doctor. He then went on to say that they had chosen the name "Evie" if it was a girl and that he added the "Grace" (later) as a middle name.

As to god deciding the sex of the baby: well, that is obviously not a subject for this Blog. I

Anonymous said...

Kate, where is the proof Amanda's family pocketed donation money? Are you making this stuff up or what?

JBB said...

Thanks Mdkd6262--
That was the video I was thinking of. DB said, "It was too early to know the gender. . ."

Anonymous said...

DB didn't up the reward money for a reason.
Money talks with those thugs/gangstas.
I'm sure somebody had to overhear plans he had made, through the grapevine or whatever if he did have involvement in Amanda's death .
Somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody.

He might be hiding behind the fact that LE didn't want anyone to up the reward, he might have told Amanda's family the same.
Relayed the message if they asked about upping it.

He didn't up it bc he wasn't sure if anyone else knew - and if someone out there does, they would give him up in a heartbeat.
Nobody will snitch until it comes to money, then all bets are off.

I wonder, since DB got new wheels, if he helped Donae get her car paid off as well?
Heard he paid for his new wheels in cash- don't know how true that is.
Cash is untraceable for the most part.

rosy said...

I'm now feeling disgust when I start to re-watch interviews like the one cited above and last night when I set out to watch the latest message/sermon. Disgust has begun to overcome my desire to analyze with a view to truth and justice. Disgust is even stronger than my curiosity.

Last night I watched a Christmas episode of "Call the Midwife" on PBS. That's a show set 65 years ago, about midwives from a convent or nunnery in a dockside neighborhood. Other characters include doctor, vicar, tradespeople, and last night a broadcaster. Turning from that show to Davey's purple-haze lighting, "mounting" music sermon, I felt nauseated.

To me it feels as if, far from bringing divinity into a world of real people, he pulls people - who to him are shadows - into a vortex projected by his own mind.

For those who asked about the blemish on his chin, it is visible in this video.

This video has of course been edited down from a much longer one. And the interviewer's questions have been removed.

Kate said...

Anon@1:00 - Kate, where is the proof Amanda's family pocketed donation money? Are you making this stuff up or what?
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If Amanda's family received donations, which I'm sure they did, even if it was in the form of heavy donations during his service, nothing was used to up the piddly $1,000 reward. With Davey's donation money, they directed the gofundme accounts that were set in place, to close up shop and direct all donations to the church website. The reward money remained the same, despite the thousands rolling in. How much in donations did Daveyboy receive? We will most likely never know. I've seen higher money rewards for dogs than what was offered for the killer/rapists of Amanda Blackburn.

I've already stated I won't bring up Amanda's family again unless some news breaks.

I agree with the posters who stated the reward money was not upped for self serving purposes on Daveyboy's end. That makes perfect sense.

JBB said...

Rosy--
Ahhhh, "Call the Midwife." What a wonderful show. Every single episode makes me think about what's really important in life. Watching it feels like an almost necessary break for me from this "crazy" world we live in now:-)

When I contrast the depiction of god and and the real-life stories the nuns touch in "Call the Midwife" with Resonate church, New Spring Church, and the myriad of others where people such as Davey Blackburn "preach," it makes me sick to my stomach to see how Christianity has devolved into such fake foolishness in "churches" such as these.

Anonymous said...

Kate said: If Amanda's family received donations, which I'm sure they did, even if it was in the form of heavy donations during his service, nothing was used to up the piddly $1,000 reward. With Davey's donation money, they directed the gofundme accounts that were set in place, to close up shop and direct all donations to the church website. The reward money remained the same, despite the thousands rolling in. How much in donations did Daveyboy receive? We will most likely never know. I've seen higher money rewards for dogs than what was offered for the killer/rapists of Amanda Blackburn.

I've already stated I won't bring up Amanda's family again unless some news breaks.



Yeah that's great that you conveniently decided not to bring up her family anymore after I asked you for proof they were pocketing donation money. You accuse others of not answering your questions, but you do the same thing.

So now you're saying Amanda's dad pocketed offering money from his church's services? Again, where's the proof? "I'm sure they did" is not proof by any stretch of the imagination.

Amanda's family is not in charge of Resonate finances, so if donations are going through the church site, how would it end up in their pockets? I'm asking for proof of wrongdoing by Amanda's family ... I didn't ask about what Davey has done with donation money.

And you've still offered no evidence ... linguistic or otherwise ... that Ryan McConnell is guilty of being involved in the murder. Nothing. Nada.

Kate said...

anon@2:49

Lol, I didn't just "conveniently" decide to stop talking about Amanda's family due to your post, filter that ego a little better pal. Scroll up, I said I'd stop last night.

I don't need to prove diddly squat to you, put your feelers away and go after Daveyboy if you're so angry. Oh and Ryan McConnell isn't fooling anyone, tell him to come out of the closet already, sheesh.

Anonymous said...

I'm beginning to see a pattern here, Kate. You accuse someone of wrongdoing, and when asked for evidence, you treat the person who is asking like they're stupid to distract from the fact you have no evidence to offer. Got it. You're credibility is pretty much shot at this point.

And who gives a crap if Ryan McConnell is gay? That doesn't mean he's involved in Amanda's murder.

Anonymous said...

*Your* credibility, that is.

Anonymous said...

Anon at 3:12
This is so tiresome.
I've found when I get all focused on proving someone wrong, it's best to take a break and do something else.

Kate said...

I'm beginning to see a pattern with you as well. What proof or evidence do we have of anything in this case?

The only "pattern" you see is that I cannot offer a written document that shows any and all donations given. So what? Who can produce a document like that? Where's your proof that no donations were accepted at all? Since you are unable to provide that "proof" am I allowed to point out your "pattern"?

It is important if Ryan McConnell is gay as that could be the link between he and Davey.

I'm not concerned with who finds me credible and who doesn't. In case you hadn't noticed, this is a blog, not a court room. You don't care for me? Lol, big whoop.

Anonymous said...

“If you propose to speak, always ask yourself, is it true, is it necessary, is it kind?”

Anonymous said...


Well then, Anon @3:22, we could just shut this blog down as none of it is necessary, some of it isn't kind, and a lot of it isn't true. BUT, one thing we DO know is that Amanda's murder was very ugly. Should we drop this too? This IS Statement Analysis, you know. You got a beef with that? Take it up with Peter.


As for Kate, she isn't saying anything that most of the rest of us haven't said. So what's your point? You don't like us, or Kate, or reading here? Then don't. None of us owe you an explanation about anything. This isn't Truth, Dare or Consequences. ABB

Bobcat said...

Kate, Ryan McConnell seemed to be doing the expected after Amanda's death.

http://wncn.com/2015/11/14/neighbors-hope-tips-lead-to-killer-of-indiana-pastors-pregnant-wife/

He is a "Care Coordination Program Manager" for Damien Center / HIV/AIDS Prevention/Care

http://www.damien.org/our-team#ryan-mcconnell (click on the arrow under his name for more detail)

Anonymous said...

JBB @ 12:57, with all due respect; this poster is saying that Davey determined the sex of the baby and that HE decided it should be a little girl. Are you serious, this is not the place to mention God? Who IS the creator of all life? What do you think most of the content of this blog subject has been about? Davey's blasphemy about God and Jesus and his rotten sermons and his treatment of Amanda wherein God is mocked. And we're not supposed to mention God now because you said so? ABB

Mdkd6262 said...

Bobcat -

When you look closer at Ryan McConnell's statements, some of them are definitely unexpected, especially his interviews after the arrests were made. I had transcribed one in particular and will look for it to re-post.

Anonymous said...

per Bobcat's post at 3:48pm

Bachelor of Science, Clinical Rehabilitation Psychology - Purdue University, Indianapolis

Ryan first began working for The Damien Center in January 2009 as a Care Coordinator. After college, Ryan worked as a counselor at an addictions treatment center in Indianapolis, starting as an intern and eventually becoming the director of the center. He ran several intensive outpatient therapy groups, performed individual therapy sessions, worked as a member of a treatment team for a drug court program, and helped develop and provide counseling for a drug therapy program for inmates struggling with addictions.

In his work with addictions, he realized his passion for helping others in need. As a result of his experience, Ryan is able to utilize the therapeutic methods that he fine-tuned while serving as a Care Coordinator at The Damien Center. He feels it is an important part of life to enjoy what you do. "Working as a part of the team here at The Damien Center gives me a great sense of purpose, as what we do here is so important to our community," Ryan says. "My desire is to positively impact the world around me, and The Damien Center gives me the opportunity to do so. Our clients are great people, and I am committed to doing my best to provide them with the tools and support they need to live happy, successful lives."

In his free time, Ryan enjoys spending time with friends and family. He is married and is the proud father of a little girl. His passions include mountain biking, playing sports, cars, enjoying live performances of music (particularly the Indianapolis Symphony Orchestra), traveling, and reading anything involving history.

Anonymous said...

Bobcat,

thanks for finding that information and sharing.

Bobcat said...

Mdkd6262 4:00

Thanks! It feels like we've been over everything so many times. I can see how Ryan's line of work is somewhat parallel to Davey's. They are both "married" with one child. Who knows...my head is tired, and I await Peter's next analysis.

JBB said...

ABB-
I disagree. The purpose of this Blog would not to be to debate the scriptural integrity of DB's words. It is to determine if by his statements, he is guilty and could have played a part in his wife's death. The fact that DB is a religious leader is relevant only as it pertains to his relationship with Amanda, how he sells his "goods," what he hopes to gain via the religion--these are all things people have talked about in one way or the other on here.

But, NO, whether god exists or whether determines the sex of a baby or whether DB has interpreted the bible "correctly," for example, are not relevant, per se.

I think the poster's comment about DB "determining the sex of the baby" was more to show that DB is controlling and that he even thought he could control the sex of his baby. I could be wrong there, but that's how I read it.

I respect the fact that you are a Christian and that you see heresy in DB's sermons and what his church stands for. I don't disagree that he is so unconventional, he could most certainly never get the backing from any "mainline" Christian church! However, like I said, I do not agree that whether or not DB and his ilk are scripturally correct has any bearing on DB's guilt.

His group is cult-like and THAT has a bearing on his guilt, IMO.

Anon "I" said...

I think that DB's scriptural interpretations may fluctuate with his need and purpose for the moment. Just as God sometimes pops into the shower to speak with him, it speaks to his ability to manipulate scripture and his concept of God into what he requires when he requires it. God and scripture seem to be fluid based on his preference of interpretation, truth be damned. It speaks to his mental state.

Anonymous said...

Your thoughts and opinions are respectfully acceptable to me JBB; however, I will go on respecting God and the almighty, awesome works of His hands and in defending Him as I see fit and see the occasions arise. Further, I will continue to defend my stand for God, not giving credit to man where none is due.

We are not little God's running around down here, determining the sex of a baby. THIS is God's handiwork and not our own. Maybe you haven't read The Book, but I have, and believe it to contain the powerful and holy Word of God. It's as simple as that. You know, you don't have to read my posts if they offend you? Thanks for your kindly response. ABB

Anonymous said...

After Anon at Anonymous Anonymous said...
“If you propose to speak, always ask yourself, is it true, is it necessary, is it kind?”

ABB at 3:46 said
Well then, Anon @3:22, we could just shut this blog down as none of it is necessary, some of it isn't kind, and a lot of it isn't true. BUT, one thing we DO know is that Amanda's murder was very ugly. Should we drop this too? This IS Statement Analysis, you know. You got a beef with that? Take it up with Peter.


ABB,
I'm so sorry to say that you are often too busy being angry to pay attention.
In my opinion, Peter Hyatt very much follows this philosophy.
His entire career is based on ferreting out truth and he applies only what is necessary to that end.
He seems to very thoughtfully consider what to leave out and what to leave in.
I have often seen him warn commenters against making up unkind statements about Amanda Blackburn, in particular.
Kindness does seem to matter to him.

I am saddened every time you fly off with some comment that has no basis in truth, just something you picked up from another commenter or dreamed up. As you often speak to your Christianity, I hope you will consider that the quote you lambasted very much is patterned after the Golden Rule, Christ's words about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.

You did not ask for my advice, but, as you say, it's a blog, so I will give it. You would have far fewer confrontations here and, I imagine, in your real life, if you could just be calm and not feel it necessary to attack at every opportunity. JMO

Anonymous said...

Yes Anon "I", Davey Blackburn is in one sorry mental state, and it's contagious. It's from the devil, the father of lies. If I sat around reading his sermons and watching his videos I would be close to pulling my hair out. But since I don't allow myself to fall into a state of depression, I just don't.

Like Rosy, I have to find something else to divert my attention too, something lighthearted, something more normal to think on. I can't imagine how Amanda remained as normal as she did, living with this dangerous crazy fool. ABB

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Anonymous said...

ABB @508

You said you "just don't abide twisted warped opinions very well". So, when others here do not agree with your opinions, we should be respectful to you and allow you your opinion, but you won't abide by that? I have seen many posts of yours where you are responding to someone who disagrees with your opinion, and you have resorted to name calling (idiot, moron, doe doe bird to name a few) and threats of finding out who the person is and such. You demand to be respected by all here, yet you only respect those who show no disagreement with you. We are adults, and there is a way to be respectful even when disagreeing with someone. Just past night I had a disagreement with a commenter here, and it didn't end in any name calling or disrespect. Differing opinions make the world go round.

Anonymous said...

ABB,
I chose not to use my name for a reason. You and I have had good conversations here. I thought I might leave you a little advice without a permanent engagement which would occur if I used my regular name.
Please consider a less abrupt approach when dealing with others here. That's really all I wanted to say.
My best to you.

Anonymous said...

To avoid confusion, I am the one who posted at 613......I'll be Anon212

Anonymous said...

Peter's new analysis is up!! Yay!

Anonymous said...

Kate said: The only "pattern" you see is that I cannot offer a written document that shows any and all donations given. So what? Who can produce a document like that? Where's your proof that no donations were accepted at all? Since you are unable to provide that "proof" am I allowed to point out your "pattern"?

It is important if Ryan McConnell is gay as that could be the link between he and Davey.



Uh ... I don't have to prove anything because I'm not the one making assertions. Can you not grasp that? You're the one accusing Ryan of being involved. You're the one accusing Amanda's family of pocketing donation money. When confronted, it's obvious you have absolutely no evidence to support your assertions. Lol just admit you're making it all up instead of this childish "prove me wrong" junk. By your logic, I could claim you eat puppies for breakfast, and it would be considered true until you proved me wrong. Hahaha.


And seriously ... Ryan being gay "could be the link" ... so to you that means Ryan is guilty of involvement. Ridiculous!

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 6:13 & 6:13, I stand corrected and will try to do better. However, 'moron' is not one of my words; the other words, maybe okay, sometimes. But please don't accuse me of words I don't use. I don't use the word because I've never liked it. I could have slipped up maybe once? Thank you for being respectful. ABB

Anonymous said...

'Er... Anon @6:30, it's not my intention to get into a big disputing match; but there really were some donations sent to Davey and I believe more sent to family members or their churches; finally, with the request that future donations be donated to Davey directly, then subsequently these donation fund accounts were closed out, if memory serves me correctly.

Some fund totals were given at the time and these funds really did total several thousands, with no eventual tally of them ever given, nonetheless quite a lot of money was donated; which, none of these funds were earmarked to be used as a reward fund for info leading to Amanda's killer(s).

Can I prove it? No. These discussions were held on earlier articles Peter had posted, going back pretty far. This is the truth, Anon @6:30. ABB

Anonymous said...

Thank you Peter for the new analysis ! . .. wanders over to read it . . . what a treat to have this from you tonight !

flightfulbird

Anonymous said...

ABB at 7:29
Thanks. That's all we can ask of each other.

Anonymous said...

ABB, you're saying the same thing I am about the baby's gender, only you attacked my original post (Dec 28 @ 11:50 am).

The baby's gender was NOT already known. Davey says so in an interview, that he just "felt" like it was a girl.

That's why I have a problem with it - who the hell does he think he is to just pick a gender and name the baby when he has no idea? It's a very God-like thing for him to do.

Unless it was discovered in autopsy, only God knows the gender of the unborn baby, Davey Blackburn is NOT God. He's not even a friend of God. I firmly believe he is a false prophet. We are told to test their words against God's word, and his words are not God's words.

He's trying to convince everyone, maybe himself too, that he loves God. He's fooling some of the people out there, but fortunately not everyone.

rosy said...

2015 now deadliest year on record in Indianapolis history
Criminal homicide total reaches 144
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/2015-now-indianapolis-deadliest-year-on-record

rosy said...

Re: MO, Gary Jo Taylor now has three allegations against him of a putting gun to the head. He's charged with:

Nov 3: Holding a gun to the head of the 21 y/o woman he raped.

Nov 4: Shooting the 27 y/o man man he robbed: "Gonzalez was pronounced dead at the scene. A coroner's report later determined the cause of death was a gunshot wound to the head where the bullet hit the brain."

Nov 10: the bullet in Amanda Blackburn's brain.

rosy said...

^^Larry

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