Thursday, August 15, 2013

Statements Made By Billie Dunn for Analysis: Part Three


This is Part Three of the analysis of the recent Facebook postings made by Billie Jean Dunn.  

Hope for Hailey August 11, via mobile
Hello ago again hope for Hailey family,just want to let you know we appreciate your devotion to Hailey. With her birthday around the corner & the realization that she's gone still so recent,it's be hard to talk,I guess it's been a lot harder since the DNA match. Wanting to know what happend,

Note that she addresses them as "family" (see initial comments about need to belong, need to avoid being alone, and the heightened sense of guilt).
Note the use of the word "we", though she may be writing alone.  This will be further explored below. 
Note the word "still" in correlation to "so recent":   This says that she just learned that it was Hailey only recently. 
Why say this?
The NEED to say this, given all that is known about the case, is to persuade rather than to state plainly.  It is unnecessary to say, making it very sensitive to the subject.  The "family" knows it was "recent", and the blaring accusation is that the mother knew it from the very beginning. It is the mother's need, itself, to report this, that makes it so important to the analyst.  She wants her readers to believe that it is new information to her.  We do not contradict this:  we simply ask: 
Why the need to repeat the obvious?
This will make some of her followers wonder if she is truthful.  It is how we give ourselves away in language. 
Note the need to drive it home, even further with "DNA match."
This will also cause many to wonder if she knew, from the day the remains were found, that it was Hailey.  Please note that analyst Kaaryn Gough made this conclusion from Billie Dunn's initial statements.  She compared the statements from Dunn from March of 2013 to March 2012 when remains were found and the difference was so striking that Kaaryn concluded before the DNA results were announced, that it was Hailey, and that Billie Dunn has revealed this very fact. 
(see prior analysis using Search function).  
Note carefully the dropped pronoun here.  Readers familiar with this case likely believe that the mother was present and perhaps a participant in Hailey's death, so the dropped pronoun would not come as a surprise to anyone. 
The pronoun "I" is the easiest of them all, one that is not difficult for anyone to use and when it is dropped, the absence can speak volumes.  
"Wanting to know" does not tell us who it is that wants to know what happened.  She does not say, as a mother of a murdered child, "I want to know what happened!" or even the weakened "we want to know..." (note the plural in this entry).  Please note that the word "we" would only be weak in context:  if a mother is speaking for herself and the father, "we" is entirely appropriate, though we expect, given the nature of a mother-child relationship and the sensitivity of a murdered child, that "I" would enter the statement.  
For examples, see two that will help your understanding:

1.  Deborah Bradley, mother of Baby Lisa, was almost unable to use the pronoun "I", as she was indicated for guilty knowledge of the death of Baby Lisa.
2.  Desiree Young, mother of missing 7 year old Kyron Horman, spoke for her family, yet was unable to NOT use the pronoun "I" as his plight was upfront and acutely painful for her, as an innocent mother, pleading for her son's return.  
In both of these cases, we see how the guilt or innocence plays out in the language, particularly in the use of pronouns. 
why,why there's not an arrest,

Any suspect would want to know what it is that police know, which is why suspects often input themselves into cases.  Here, we see the sensitivity of "why why" there's not an arrest.  
It must be very straining to wait each day wondering if this is the day a knock on the door will bring an arrest. 
It is not only why why there is no arrest but more: 


why I haven't got her remains back is all I think about,sometimes I need a little reassurance.

Law enforcement will not release remains to a suspect whenever it can be legally done.  In Discovery, the reasons may become clear but it is important to know that the fact that it was not done to this date indicates willful reasoning on the part of those responsible for justice for Hailey. 

 When LE explains things,I understand a little better. 
Note the word "when" and that only "a little better" as LE (Law Enforcement) says as little as possible, increasing the tension and frustration upon the named "Person of Interest" in her daughter's murder.  "When" indicates time.  It is not an ongoing thing of explanations, but limited to a specific time, which frustrates the subject. 
To me,being mom,it seems they've had her long enough,but really it's not been long,many different departments continue to investigate daily. 
Note the departure of the plural to the personal "me" as very significant. 
When does it change?  Answer:  in the withholding of the remains. 
Note the contrast:  "they've had her long enough" is a complaint, yet "but it's not been long" now seeks to do something else:
"many different departments continue to investigate daily"

She is, again, attempting to show her followers that she is in the "know" about what is going on. Great questions to ask her about this statement include:
1.  "Billie, you say "many" departments:  how many?
2.  Which ones?
3.  What are they looking for?
4.  Who do you talk to from each department?
5.  Why so many departments?
6.  Billie, you say "daily":  why do you say "daily"?
7.  How would you know the daily investigation?
8.  Can you give me the name of anyone, from any department, who told you that it is being investigated "daily"?

There's a multitude of evidence to be processed. 
this is a truthful statement.  
Next, note the change from singular, back to the relative comfort of plurality: 

We want to be 100% sure they have the baby killer,not 95%. 

Who is "we" here?
What is the difference between 100% and 95%?
Note that "baby killer" is singular. 
Note this statement with the one she made when she indicated that Hailey died from a sexual homicide at the hands of Shawn Adkins.
Is she now concerned that there may be a percentage of innocence in Shawn Adkins?

They get slowed down when ppl call in bogus tips,this continues to be a problem. 
Please note that this statement is something that would appear to the average reader to be utterly made up.  
Think about it:  when searching, bogus tips are something that slows things down, which is why some investigations will announce to those claiming to have psychic powers to NOT call them.  
But in this case, the remains have been found and have been identified. Dunn showed knowledge of this from the very beginning. 
How could "bogus tips" slow down anything in this case. 
Questions for Billie Dunn would be fascinating regarding just this short statement. 
What tips?
What process is followed in bogus tips when the body has been found and identified?
What do these "bogus" tips look like?
Who is blamed in the "bogus tips"?
...and so on. 
We do not have to wait long to find out what Billie Dunn is referring to: 

They get slowed down when a "wack-o" calls in just to say " I seen Billie having icecream with her nephew". Yes. 
This phone call would take all of 2 minutes of a secretary's time.  It is not slowing down or impeding anything.  
Billie Dun is concerned about those who are calling to report her behavior.  

They also explained that ALL tips are investigated,if someone calls in a tip,demanding a call back after its looked into,if you're not related to Hailey,not needed for anything,they won't call you back. 
This was explained when Hailey first went missing and is not in reference to forensic testing. This is a false statement that shows a need to persuade her followers that she is receiving information from the police.  
She is not. 
That is preventing them from following up other leads. 
What leads are they not following up upon because they are checking to see if Billie had ice cream with a relative?
This insults the intelligence of her followers.  
Note, however, that "other leads" would make a fascinating question posed to her. 

They've also learned names of ppl who cry wolf. 
Dunn is acutely aware that the public, by and large, believes that she was involved in her daughter's murder and is using the means of Facebook, likely against her attorney's advice, to influence a future juror pool.  

This explains some people,not related to the case,not getting calls returned,very understandable. This is crucial to allow LE to do their jobs,they've been through the wringer as well,& some of these investigators have come to love Hailey & want justice just as much as the family. Thank you to all of the diligent men & women working day in,day out to bring my baby's murderer to justice,leaving no stone unturned & leaving no doubt when they take the bastard to trial.

note the need to explain lack of call backs.   Note putting someone through the 'ringer' is negative, which is something Dunn has been doing since she failed her polygraph.  She has ridiculed law enforcement publicly yet wishes to appear as if she is defending themm.  
• Hope for Hailey Thank you all,your prayers are needed,wanted & your caring/love for Hailey doesn't go unnoticed. Yesterday at 8:36pm via mobile • Like • 2 •
Hope for Hailey I have faith that all our answers are there,they just need put together & made presentable,in a clear manner,for a jury. If this killer(s) doesn't come forward before then,they should not get a chance for ANY type of plea. There's obviously no remorse,send them on to meet their maker. Yesterday at 8:42pm via mobile • Like • 4

note the continued use of the plural pronouns. 
Hope for Hailey Holly,i think we're very close to charging someone with murder. I know I have to have faith in that,but from everything Im being told & from different departments,yes soon.

88 comments:

john said...

OT..Update..

Canadian Boys Connor & Noah Barthe Not Killed By African Rock Python Snake, HOMICIDE POSSIBLE..

The 14-foot-long African Rock Python snake was not neccessarily the culprit behind the death of Canadian boys, Noah and Connor Barthe. After a long questioning of the snake’s owner, Jean-Claude Savoie, police nor herpetologists could make sense of the case. In light of the mismatching storyline, investigators are now moving into the possibility of a homicide.

Why is this now a murder case?

According to earlier reports [ read here ], the two boys were sleeping above Savoie’s Reptile Ocean pet shop. It was there he also kept his dino-size 14 foot Python. The two were in separate rooms allegedly but met in tragic fate-sealing fashion that left the Canadian boys dead. However, with the snake’s owner in another room and never hearing the boys scream for help, Python experts are saying the probability of the case being accurately is 0%.

“If it grabs a kid, you’re going to have more than enough time to scream” said John Marais from the African Snake Bite Institute. He continues, “You can’t be asleep and be bitten by a python and strangled. That’s impossible.”

Such notions from experts are leaving Police no option but to further investigate the case of the two boy’s deaths as a Homicide.

Mr Marais tolds News Limited , “You’re going to wake up instantly [ if attacked or bitten by Rock python ].”

The type of snake that attacked the boys is extremely aggressive. It has become a new predator that is rapidly producing in Florida’s Everglades swamp area and making its way to populated areas. They’ve been known to kill and eat pets, as well as aggressively bite humans.

http://www.ckhid.com/hip-hop-news/2013/08/canadian-boys-connor-noah-barthe-not-killed-by-african-rock-python-snake-homicide-possible/

john said...

OT Update..

Investigators search home of missing teen Erica Parsons..

ROWAN COUNTY, N.C. — Nearly a dozen local, state and federal investigators searched the home and the property of missing Rowan County teenager Erica Parsons all day Wednesday.

Read More:

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/investigators-close-road-near-parsons-home/nZN45/

Dawn said...

"want justice just as much as the family."

Does this show distancing in the family dynamics? It looks like something a non-family member would say instead of Billie. If I was saying this about a family member, I would probably say, want justice just as much as we do.

No Plea for Bil-Lie said...

First she refers to whomever killed Hailey as a single person.....

Day in,day out to bring my baby's murderer to justice,leaving no stone unturned & leaving no doubt when they take the bastard....

Next, she switches and indicates that it might be multiple people who killed Hailey.

If this killer(s) doesn't come forward before then,they should not get a chance for ANY type of plea.


Was this a slip up on her part, having knowledge that there was indeed two people involved...herself and Shawn? ?

Anonymous said...

"The" vs. "We" they want justice for Hailey, but she doesn't include herself in there, maybe they are asking her to speak up against Shawn and she won't or can't actually without getting locked up herself.

Anonymous said...

Compare the language and names she used against this blog and Peter to the much milder language she uses to describe the person(s) who killed her daughter. She has more anger towards those who doubt her than the person(s) that killed her daughter.

Anonymous said...



She is, again, attempting to show her followers that she is in the "know" about what is going on. Great questions to ask her about this statement include:

1. "Billie, you say "many" departments: how many?

2. Which ones?

3. What are they looking for?

4. Who do you talk to from each department?

5. Why so many departments?

6. Billie, you say "daily": why do you say "daily"?

7. How would you know the daily investigation?

8. Can you give me the name of anyone, from any department, who told you that it is being investigated "daily"?


Billie has added many of us "followers" to her personal facebook page. She has told many of us the people whom she talks to with law enforcement and given us contacts. If she is confused with how many departments are actually working Hailey's case, that may be because law enforcement seem confused themselves. It depends on whom you have a conversation with on what given day.

You can drone on and on about the fact that Billie is not given tedious details or minute to minute updates on her daughters case, but that is standard when for any case. Law enforcement is not going to give any parent inside information. This same standard applies to Hailey's remains. It can take months or even years for the remains of a murder victim to be released. If I am not mistaken, you made many statements that an arrest was forthcoming. You have not been right on much of anything thus far. I guess that is what happens when you are too lazy to research a case and base your analysis on hearsay. The hearsay in this particular case are inept cops and white trash internet trolls.

REK said...

What I dont' get is why she even offers them a chance of a plea if they come forward in a timely fashion? she thinks its suitable for them to get offered a plea but only if they come out at now...
also for those who say she can't be manipulative because she is constantly showing inconsistencies.. that proves right there how she is attempting to be manipulative. if you dont think she is manipulative that means you agree that she is inconsistent and deceptive by nature. being manipulative comes from the person in questions "intent" which is BJD. not whether we can pick up on her inconsistencies

valyriew said...

That is not true. When the family has been eliminated as suspects LE keeps them informed and constantly updated.
BJD hindered LE for months lying,attempting to beat the lie detector, trashing LE for questioning her hinky story and hiding her lover/accomplice from them. No innocent parent would do that.

Randie said...

Billie said: "I have faith that all our answers are there,they just need put together & made presentable,in a clear manner,for a jury."

Listen to her words. This is what she did herself right after Hailey died. She made a script and got all her and Shawn's answers lined up for LE when they came. She is letting marbles fall leak out. She is giving herslef away.

Anonymous said...

REK said...
What I dont' get is why she even offers them a chance of a plea if they come forward in a timely fashion? she thinks its suitable for them to get offered a plea but only if they come out at now...
also for those who say she can't be manipulative because she is constantly showing inconsistencies.. that proves right there how she is attempting to be manipulative. if you dont think she is manipulative that means you agree that she is inconsistent and deceptive by nature. being manipulative comes from the person in questions "intent" which is BJD. not whether we can pick up on her inconsistencies


Perhaps Billie wants the killer and or killers to come forward now so that this whole miserable nightmare can be over and she can at least get her daughters remains back and give her a proper burial.

If Billie was trying to manipulate anyone, she would be polished and charming and as consistent as possible. In my opinion, she does not know who killed her daughter anymore than anyone else. With regards to Shawn Adkins, it makes perfect sense to many of us that she no longer believes in his innocence as strongly as she did at one time. She has not been in contact with him for months and months and therefore has had time away from him to second guess his behavior of late. Common sense can reign over statement analysis whether one wants to admit to it or not.

REK said...

"she would be polished and charming and as consistent as possible" comes easy to someone who is innocent

Jen said...

Bingo Anon 8:15

Everytime she opens her mouth she further proves her guilt. I cant imagine hating anyone more than the person who murdered my child...but not Billie. She targets and pursues those who can see right through her lies.

If my daughter was murdered I wouldn't care in least what people thought of me.

Randie said...

1. "why,why there's not an arrest,"
(an arrest is singular).

2. "the baby killer,"
(this is singular not plural)

3. "when they take the bastard to trial."
(bastard is singular)

4. "If this killer(s) doesn't come forward before then,they should not get a chance for ANY type of plea. There's obviously no remorse,send them on to meet their maker."

(When the word "jury" comes into her words the murderer becomes "plural")

(HOW does she KNOW there is no remorse??? Did she go to each one and after her own interrogation find there was no remorse??? You can only use those words if you have already confronted the killer. That tells us she knows who murdered Hailey.)

5. I agree with you Dawn. I had to go back and read the statement again. Yes, by her words she separates herself from "the family"---she won't say "as I do!"

Randie said...

I agree REK...good points.

Anonymous said...

After you said Billie has told us.......the rest of your comment lost all credibility. As the person above me pointed out Billie told the polygrapher lies in regards to Hailey's disappearance.....she told lies to le about shawn being in the home...she also lied to YOU one of her followers when she denied being with Shawn and in reality she was sneaking around dating. Do you really trust her??

Anonymous said...

REK said...
"she would be polished and charming and as consistent as possible" comes easy to someone who is innocent


Where have you been? I have never seen any parent of a missing child come across polished and or charming and they are rarely consistent. Why? Because it takes every bit of strength that they have to face another day. The only people that I have seen that are polished, charming and consistent in a time of severe crisis are sociopaths.

REK said...

ok.. polished and charming.. maybe not so much to a distraught parent. but one could say that billie attempts to be polished and charming with her outfits, and manpiulative speech. the word that blinded me, and continues to is consistency!!

john said...

"They also explained that ALL tips are investigated,if someone calls in a tip,demanding a call back after its looked into,if you're not related to Hailey,not needed for anything,they won't call you back. "

Is this BJD trying to discourage people calling LE with tips and information?

REK said...

"if you're not related to Hailey,not needed for anything,they won't call you back. "

i think this shows her feelings that she is being treated as though she is "not related to hailey" and not family..since she doesn't get call backs

Anonymous said...

I've been following this blog since the Tiffany Hartley story. Since that time, can someone please provide an example of when one of Peter's analyses proved to be correct?

Anonymous said...

July 28
Imma's Place-United for Hailey
Here goes. Everyone is waiting for evidence to be presented from the remains found in Scurry County. What is a few bones going to say that has been in the sun, rain, hail, snow and scavenged by wild animals for so long?
If LE had handled the case right to start with there might have been some DNA evidence found in Hailey's home. Specifically her bedroom. The hideous mask might have been a nice piece of evidence but after so long who can say when it was put there?
BJD and SA both failed a lie detector test yet it can't be introduced in court. So, it proved they will lie. It didn't prove they killed.
This is the most notorious case in Texas right now. Everyone keeps waiting for Justice, any form of Justice and every day BJD and SA go about their lives and we keep waiting for the FBI to offer up some form of Justice. I, personally have called LE and left messages for a return call and to date I have not received one. FBI either. So, when they ask for any information do they really mean it? I have some information that could be of interest to them but I haven't been contacted by any one of them.
I want Justice for Hailey. I want to have a rally, a set-in, a protest, a demonstration, a I will set here until I starve kind of demonstration until LE is forced to do something to show all of us who truly care about Hailey that they are working on this case and listening to every clue and following up on every clue and talking, talking, talking to everyone that will talk to them. We all need to join together and blow this case sky high.
Peter Hyatt is right we need to demand Justice For Hailey. Let's do this. Write the Governor and Congressman and CNN and everyone else we can write. It is time for JUSTICE FOR HAILEY!


Imma's Place-United for Hailey
This has me pissed!!! If anyone eles has tried to get info to LE and has gotten the same treatment let us know!!! We do not need the info!!!! But let us know if you have not been able to get info to LE. This is something we can damn sure do something about!!!!

Sam Bass
They didn't return my calls as well. Two years later I was called to be questioned because of fb... Effin ridiculous...

Imma's Place-United for Hailey
They are still not calling me!!!!! They don't seem to be interested in any more information.


Aug 14
Imma's Place-United for Hailey
And I did recieve a call back from LE on the tip and they are following up on it. For anyone who may have info they should call Scurry County SO. When calling the FBI line it seems the info is not getting to the task force..


Trigger said...

Billie Dunn has already been convicted of lying to LE, early on in the investigation.

What innocent mother does that?

She lied to protect her boyfriend, the other suspect in this case.

What innocent mother does that?

sidewalk super said...

What I find interesting is that this bjd blogger refers to Hailey as "baby" over and over, yet the one picture we have seen of the two suspects and their victim, shows Hailey , even slumped over, is clearly a much bigger person in size than her mother. And her size and maturity is what made her a target.
Baby? Don't think so.

Anonymous said...

The "snake"story re 2 boys,a man was arrested today"ankes lisspery".

Anonymous said...

Here's the deal with "tips." People don't seem to be calling in with tips. 98 percent of people on facebook have nothing of value to add to the investigation, but think they do because they spend their days bitching about Billie's boobs and practicing train horn sounds. Everytime you call LE, yiou're wasting resources. (And yes, someone actually did call LE to report that they saw Billie eating ice cream.) Melissa Gooch, Bea Wacker, etc. have no new info to provide that will help LE piece together the puzzles of this investigation that will lead to an air tight case. LE does not "owe" ANYONE information as to the status of the investigation, nor are they going to give it to you no matter how much of their time you waste. Your specialty is googly eyes and modge podge, not police work. (But I would make a personal donation to the LE agency's annual Christmas party if they would just respond with "nanananabooboo" next time Gooch gives them a call.

Anonymous said...

Shut up u stupid bitch.

Anonymous said...

Love it! Classy as always!

Can't Wait 'til Billy Is DONE said...

Interesting that Pillie's supporter(s?) will only comment as "Anonymous"...

BostonLady said...

Anonymous said...

Here's the deal with "tips." People don't seem to be calling in with tips. 98 percent of people on facebook have nothing of value to add to the investigation, but think they do because they spend their days bitching about Billie's boobs and practicing train horn sounds. Everytime you call LE, yiou're wasting resources. (And yes, someone actually did call LE to report that they saw Billie eating ice cream.) Melissa Gooch, Bea Wacker, etc. have no new info to provide that will help LE piece together the puzzles of this investigation that will lead to an air tight case. LE does not "owe" ANYONE information as to the status of the investigation, nor are they going to give it to you no matter how much of their time you waste. Your specialty is googly eyes and modge podge, not police work. (But I would make a personal donation to the LE agency's annual Christmas party if they would just respond with "nanananabooboo" next time Gooch gives them a call.

***

I'm wondering how you, anonymous, know that a tip was phoned in to LE/FBI about Billie eating ice cream. Did Billie tell you this??

August 15, 2013 at 12:15 PM\

BostonLady said...

If Billie was trying to manipulate anyone, she would be polished and charming and as consistent as possible.

August 15, 2013 at 9:29 AM

****

So to you, someone who is manipulative is only polished and charming and consistent? Perhaps you should do a little research. Manipulation does not equate with charming and polished. People can manipulate by playing the poor me, victim card. We have seen this from Billie. People can manipulate by injecting a few words into a statement which will work on the audience. We have seen this from Billie.

I could go on but if you take a look back at this case or other cases, the guilty person is typically very manipulative.

Billie supporter #5867458756 said...

they may have had a whole file box full of "proof" that Shawn did it, but it only took ONE page of all that to prove 100% that Shawn did not do this.
and the same for all you believe you have on Billie, only took one thing to prove 100% she didnt do it.
on top of that, there are multiple things, not just one, that prove 100% they are innocent.
so you can throw that 95% away, it is meaningless.

john said...

Billie supporter #5867458756 said...

on top of that, there are multiple things, not just one, that prove 100% they are innocent.

..........................................................................

Would you care to share?

Hobnob said...

Anonymous said...

I've been following this blog since the Tiffany Hartley story. Since that time, can someone please provide an example of when one of Peter's analyses proved to be correct


Charlie rogers :)

Casey Anthony (we can't legislate against dumb juries)

Jodie Arias

BostonLady said...

Anonymous Billie supporter #5867458756 said...

they may have had a whole file box full of "proof" that Shawn did it, but it only took ONE page of all that to prove 100% that Shawn did not do this.
and the same for all you believe you have on Billie, only took one thing to prove 100% she didnt do it.
on top of that, there are multiple things, not just one, that prove 100% they are innocent.
so you can throw that 95% away, it is meaningless.

*********

This is new information. So you are saying that Shawn and Billie have been cleared by LE? 100% proof?

Can you share the proof?

And I hope you shared this with LE to save them all their time and effort looking at Shawn and Billie because I have yet to see that either have been cleared.

Or is this another "Billie told you" information line??

Anonymous said...

I'm wondering how you, anonymous, know that a tip was phoned in to LE/FBI about Billie eating ice cream. Did Billie tell you this??

-------------------------------

No. I don't know Billie Dunn.

Point is, that wasn't a "tip" at all... it was a nonsensical waste of time. Personally, I think BD is guilty as hell of SOMETHING involving Hailey's death, but the facebook fanatics who follow her every move, take photos of her front door and obsess over every aspect of her life don't just limit that strange behavior to facebook ... they're wasting LE resources.

Anonymous said...

polished and charming? Billie Dunn? not possible

Shelley said...

"it's be hard to talk"

I am assuming she meant it will be hard to talk?

If so, I seriously think its a joke she said that. She was just fine at the funeral? She spoke with out so much as a single crack in her voice. While teachers of Hailey bawled!

Does she think shes fooling anyone?

Well, I guess she has fooled some, but the general public sees right through that.

I wish they could find something concrete so they could find out what happened to poor Hailey and finally get them behind bars.

something concrete said...

a slab?

Shelley said...

Had 2 comments on the comments.

First of all, Billie Dunn thinks she is polished and charming. Crack whores for example dont look in the mirror and thing, dam i look like a crack whore.
Billie lives around others than walk, talk and dress like her. She does not see how she looks which is why she has never changed.

She will always look like trash.




And to Billie supporter #5867458756


Dont come on here with your claims of "proof she is innocent". No one is buying your BS there is proof someone is innoceand by the way, the person is cleared publicly by LE.

That did not happen.

But please lets take some random nameless posters word that Billie and Shawn are innocent with out an ounce of proof or facts to back anything up.


And... FYI, YOU are in the wrong blog to be spooling out your BS... This is to analyze truth. FAIL


Anonymous said...

I usually agree with Peter's analysis and I think he's good at what he does, but I believe he's got this case wrong. The analysis that you all are doing doesn't point to her guilt. It points to someone who looks bad, knows it, and is fumbling and being inconsistent at times. As myself and another Anon pointed out, psychopaths do not lie the way Billie is allegedly "lying". See Patsy Ramsey to understand the language of a female sociopathic liar. The language is slick, glib creating a kind of perfect veneer. Sociopaths do not doubt themselves--this is why their language, their "story" is so polished. Billie's language lacks confidence, is full of self-doubt but I see this realization countered by people saying "oh she's just gotten through life manipulating with her looks". WHAT?! Meaning, she may be attractive but a conning vixen? Um, no. Talk about exaggerating.
I am not convinced Sean was involved either, although his language is much more glib than Billie's, he is much more confident, etc. and so it seems possible to me.
Billie, I feel, was not involved and does not have knowledge of what happened to her daughter.

Anonymous said...

Remember when Gooch started her first ding-dong facebook page and lured Billie to interact there, under the pretense that they were friendly? And she got so MAD when someone sent Billie's comments from her page to Peter to be analyzed (it was me that sent the comments, by the way.) What happened, Gooch? You DESPISED Peter. I guess the popular kids don't hang out with Billie these days.

P.S. The word is "coming" not "comming." It invalidates your choo choo posts to make such a glaring spelling error.

Anonymous said...

One question also, if Billie was somehow involved in the killing of her daughter or "knew Sean did it" (assuming he did) why would Sean have lied to her about his quitting work the next day (he told her ge was fired so she wouldnt be mad at him). Wouldnt that all be part of their plan?

Anonymous said...

aw dammit, that consistent misspelling of coming is how we know her other fake profiles, you just ruined that for us.

Randie said...

Kampfer also said,

"While there are MULTIPLE persons of interest in this criminal investigation, there still remains only one named SUSPECT: Shawn Adkins."

There are no quotes, comments or statements from LE that they have cleared Billie. Shawn is a suspect and Billie and Shawn are persons of interest"

Randie said...

We ONLY have Billie's "word" that Shawn lied to her about work or coveralls.

Oh the tangled web Billie has spun.

Billie supporter #4578674547564 said...

when did Kampfer (who is not LE) say that?
by using SA, we can conclude that Shawn is NOT a suspect by the following;

"to get a suspect" = "we don't have a suspect"?
The day Owens announced confirmation that it was Hailey that had been found:

The main question arising for Chief Owens was whether the police had a suspect in the case.

“We still have some work to do to get the information together to get a suspect,” Owens said.

http://ccitynews.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=113%3Aremains-those-of-hailey-dunn&catid=79%3Alocal-news&Itemid=505

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
aw dammit, that consistent misspelling of coming is how we know her other fake profiles, you just ruined that for us.

August 15, 2013 at 3:59 PM
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Sincerest apologies. She's not the brightest. Maybe she won't believe me?

Anonymous said...

One more comment: Sociopaths do absolutely play the "poor me" card, but when they do they don't fumble and bumble and make themselves look bad (ie. shaky, unsure, like a "crack whore" (I'm quoting) ). See Patsy Ramsey for a female sociopathic liar who lies convincingly and plays the "poor me" card effectively without making herself look bad w any kind of fumbling, etc. Just my opinion. Hope that's OK.

Anonymous said...

Cause this is the thing: What words is Billie using to create sympathy in her audience? I'm not seeing them. If they are there, they are not effective. I don't sympathize with her bc she really does make herself look bad. She does not make herself look like an extremely caring mother. She MAY be a very caring mother, but she is certainly not an expert at creating propaganda to advertise being caring. She does not represent herself well as a caring mother. It is very hard to reconcile this fact with the notion she is an evil genious spinning a diabolical web of deceit.

Anonymous said...

Sociopaths do not doubt themselves--this is why their language, their "story" is so polished. Billie's language lacks confidence, is full of self-doubt but I see this realization countered by people saying "oh she's just gotten through life manipulating with her looks". WHAT?! Meaning, she may be attractive but a conning vixen? Um, no. Talk about exaggerating.
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Jodi Arias is a full fledged sociopath. Jodi gave 3-4 stories of what happened. Jodi kept in contact with LE to see what they knew. Jodi was inconsistant & lied all the time. Jodi manipulated with her looks.
Jodi & Billie are one in the same, Jodi got convicted of Murder & so will Billie

Anonymous said...

And... FYI, YOU are in the wrong blog to be spooling out your BS..

you are right, good point, even if you doubled your meds, you are still not "normal". trying to show this blogs fans the truth is a waste of effort.

Anonymous said...

Yes sociopaths can and do give conflicting or different stories. The veneer is always there though. This is not the case with Billie Dunn--I don't see the veneer. She also does not speak the way Jodi does.

BostonLady said...

Anonymous said...

One question also, if Billie was somehow involved in the killing of her daughter or "knew Sean did it" (assuming he did) why would Sean have lied to her about his quitting work the next day (he told her ge was fired so she wouldnt be mad at him). Wouldnt that all be part of their plan?

August 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

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Because Billie LIED about this. She knew Shawn quit his job. She knew it BEFORE she went on Nancy Grace. Go back and watch Billie respond to Nancy's questions. Nancy caught her in the lie also.

Billie does not need to be like Patsy Ramsey to lie and manipulate. Take a look at murder cases and see if the murderers were all put together, consistent and slick.

Trying to push Billie into a mold that you have decided is what a manipulator looks and acts like is a mistake. As we are taught in statement analysis, the subject is dead, the statement is alive. Look at the statements using the techniques of s.a. and you will see a very different picture.

You are believing Billie's version..The same person who failed the polygraph and won't take another. The same person who lied to everyone about her relationship with the suspect. The same person who was arrested and convicted for lying.

This is not mere coincidence. Billie is an accomplished liar.

Anonymous said...

i think the reason Billie supporter laugh at the "normal" members on this blog so much is because they know what was really going on and what Billie was thinking at the time Billie typed the quoted posts. Billie supporters don't have to make guesses that it shows proof that she is guilty or try to twist it into that, they know the real reason and have the knowledge behind what she posted.

i believe what she actually posted was bits and pieces of multiple conversations combined into one. thus the change from singular to plural and i vs we and him vs they. i know what she was talking about and you are all way off base.

Anonymous said...

BostonLady--You may be right. But Billie has been labeled a sociopath on this blog and that's what I'm going on.
Look at any sociopathic liar. Their conning skills are such that, if you did not know 100 percent they are guilty, they make you want to believe them. Why? The charisma, the perfect veneer. Billie Dunn's speech is off-putting, her language not convincing. I don't see the charisma. What I see is kinda like here's the country bumpkin bumbling again--it's almost painful to read. There's no charm.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But I certainly am not getting a psychopath vibe off reading her stuff.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Yes sociopaths can and do give conflicting or different stories. The veneer is always there though. This is not the case with Billie Dunn--I don't see the veneer. She also does not speak the way Jodi does.
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It doesn't matter if she speaks faux Einstein or Hillbilly Hibonics, its all the same.

Anonymous said...

In fact, in a lot of her sentences, it is difficult to understand what she is saying which is very off-putting to any reader. Just not seeing a master manipulator.

Anonymous said...

Is she feigning being dumb or us she actually dumb? This will give you the answer of whether she is a conning sociopathic mastermind!!!

Billie supporter #1 said...

if you did not know 100 percent they are guilty, they make you want to believe them. Why?
The charisma, the perfect veneer. Billie Dunn's speech is off-putting, her language not convincing. I don't see the charisma

i agree, recall the 5% that i questioned her guilt, she made no attempt to sway me back to her innocence. you would think that she would try to keep some kind of hold on her biggest supporter instead of going all bi-polar on me , told me off and unfriended me..... more than once.

no, she is not a manipulator and she is not guilty.
(i still think she's hawt)

Anonymous said...

Here's the thing: It is difficult to feign being inarticulate. She is not speaking some kind of country slang that I can't understand her. She is not very articulate. Difficukt to pretend this.

Anonymous said...

I doent no wat that big word you sed meens (inarticulate)?

Anonymous said...

my moma just splained it to me wat inarticulate meens. she sez it meens - in art, i c u later. moma sez you spelt it wrong and left off the r.

Anonymous said...

Billie supporter #1 said...
if you did not know 100 percent they are guilty, they make you want to believe them. Why?
The charisma, the perfect veneer. Billie Dunn's speech is off-putting, her language not convincing. I don't see the charisma

i agree, recall the 5% that i questioned her guilt, she made no attempt to sway me back to her innocence. you would think that she would try to keep some kind of hold on her biggest supporter instead of going all bi-polar on me , told me off and unfriended me..... more than once.

no, she is not a manipulator and she is not guilty.
(i still think she's hawt)

August 15, 2013 at 4:55 PM
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Sounds like an iron clad defense to me! - Good Luck! - LOL

Anonymous said...

Sorry to use the word "inarticulate" on a statement analysis blog lmao!!!
I'll just say aw yeah she's guilty--manipulating with her Marilyn Monroe looks and her devious aw shucks I don't know nothin charm. That's a MUCH better argument than
Billie Supporter #1's.

Randie said...

1. "The remains were identified through DNA, said John Young, attorney FOR BILLIE Jean Dunn, mother of Haley. Young believes the investigation will involve Shawn Adkins, the former live-in boyfriend of Billie Jean Dunn, and the ONLY NAMED SUSPECT in the case. The remains were found 22 miles west of the community of Dunn, where Adkins lived with his grandmother, just after Hailey’s disappearance."

2. "Although law enforcement have officially named Shawn Adkins as a suspect and Billie Dunn as a person of interest, no arrests have been made."

3. "Billie's boyfriend/fiance Shawn Adkins was named as a Suspect by law enforcement officials in the disappearance and death of Hailey."

4. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to read that Shawn is a named suspect on the web....

Anonymous said...

Also, when I say "inarticulate", I'm not referring to whether Billy uses big, smart words or her accent, I'm talking about the way she puts her sentences together, also the way she puts sentences together in shall we say a paragraph, how well and effectively she conveys her thoughts ie. what she is trying to say. Listen to her 911 call she made before Hailey's disappearance in regards to worrying Sean Adkins might come to her house and steal something while she was at work. You'll see what I mean, how long it takes her to convey a simple thought/concern. Important to note: There was no need to nor was she trying to manipulate in that call.

~ABC said...

Anonymous said @ August 15, 2013 at 9:29 AM

If Billie was trying to manipulate anyone, she would be polished and charming and as consistent as possible.

If you think manipulation only comes packaged in polished charm you've got a lot to learn about human behavior.

~ABC said...

Jen said...
If my daughter was murdered I wouldn't care in least what people thought of me.
August 15, 2013 at 9:39 AM

Absolutely Jen! Nature dictates that response from a caring parent. Nothing else in the world matters until they know the truth of what happened to their child. BJD's obsessed concern with what people think of her is the absolute telling point for me that she is a deceptive, self-absorbed narcissist who probably participated in some way in her daughters demise.

~ABC said...

Fact of life #7

A liar doesn't need a reason to lie.

~ABC said...

Anonymous @ August 15, 2013 at 3:44 PM said...

psychopaths do not lie the way Billie is allegedly "lying".

Billie is not an alleged liar, she is a convicted liar.

See Patsy Ramsey to understand the language of a female sociopathic liar. The language is slick, glib creating a kind of perfect veneer.

For all that is known about human problems and labels no one has it down to a science.

Sociopaths do not doubt themselves--

They may not doubt themselves, but if it seems convenient to make you THINK they are doubting themselves they can certainly act out that role.

~mj said...

How about where Hailey's remains would be found? That came straight from BJD's mouth herself when she was refusing to search those "ugly fields" and low and behold, those very same ugly fields is where they found her. Statement Analysis caught that. Casey Anthony's mom said Caylee wouldn't be found in the woods, "Peter" nailed that one too. Just because you want to support BJD, doesn't mean you have to hate on Statement Analysis (SA). You can like both at the same time. While I understand it will be difficult for you to believe a lot of what BJD says if you embrace the reality of SA, you can support both at the same time.

~mj said...

Sorry, my above comment was directed at Anon @ 11:09 a.m.

Anonymous said...

ABC--Right, I agree with you a sociopath certainly could make others THINK they are doubting themselves if it worked in their favor. Absolutely.

Only problem is Billie has the same speech patterns which make a person think she is doubting herself in the 911 call she made before Hailey's disappearance when she is saying that she is worried Sean Adkins will steal from her house when she is at work.
This changes the way I look at her language.
This is how she talks.
It does make it so now there is a puzzle piece that doesn't fit in solving the crime. Or at least, doesn't fit the way people seem to want it to.

Anonymous said...

right Randie, but apparently none of the retards can find where after those idiotic comments were made, Shawn has not been referred to as a suspect. LE shies away from saying it straight up that he is not because they are embarrassed for being so stupid to ever think that he was.

BostonLady said...

Billie did not come across as doubting herself on her 911 call. She was clear. She was more concerned about her things, David's x box than David himself.

Billie's language is not a crutch. She can use correct pronouns when she wants to. She drops them or uses "we" "our" when she wants to spread her guilt around.

Based on the way the "anonymous crowd" is defending Billie, they act like statement analysis is driving the bus of suspecting Billie. This is but one tool. The warrants/affidavits right after Hailey was reported missing are also damning. In addition, Shawn's interviews and own words have provided suspicion. The failed poly's, another tool, clearly shows deception. The fact that Shawn said that Hailey could be found in Scurry County AND SHE WAS, is a major fact that casts suspicion.

Billie and Shawn's statements show deception. Connie Jones stated for all on Nancy Grace what she believed happened to Hailey and it was pointed right at Shawn.

Let's not forget the New Year's Eve party which Billie wants to play down as not a party.. First she said Shawn had a few drinks and then she switched it to "a beer". And yet, Clint stated he watched them unload TWO cases of beer for the non party.

Then Billie herself saying she was not in contact with Shawn, the suspect, and she was caught seeing him. And then Billie lied and was convicted to protect Shawn the suspect. What innocent parent does this???

How many times did LE tell Billie about their concerns that Shawn was involved and she refused to believe them? She even took out the (ridiculous) restraining order to keep Shawn off her property and then instead met him at a motel??? Even Billie's lawyer pointed a finger at Shawn.

ALL of these items when looked at separately, are damning. When they are combined together.... GUILTY!!!!!!!!

Shoppergalone said...

My, someone's language would suggest they are very angry. Not very creative with words now, are you?

Billie just keeps making herself look more and more guilty!

Jen said...

Because Arias has a higher than average IQ...and Billie...not so much!

All sociopathic liars are not geniuses. As Billie has proven, sometimes they are pill snorting morons, lacking the intelligence to string together a coherent sentence. Yet their words and actions can still give them away...like when they refer to their 'missing' daughter in the past tense within the first sentence they speak on the topic.

I've never heard ANYONE argue that Billie Dunn is a polished or elegant liar...just that she IS a liar. This one is a no-brainer...drugs, porn, a boyfriend more her daughters age, dodged and eventually failed polygraphs, arrested for LYING to police, etc, etc.

Jen said...

Because Arias has a higher than average IQ...and Billie...not so much!

All sociopathic liars are not geniuses. As Billie has proven, sometimes they are pill snorting morons, lacking the intelligence to string together a coherent sentence. Yet their words and actions can still give them away...like when they refer to their 'missing' daughter in the past tense within the first sentence they speak on the topic.

I've never heard ANYONE argue that Billie Dunn is a polished or elegant liar...just that she IS a liar. This one is a no-brainer...drugs, porn, a boyfriend more her daughters age, dodged and eventually failed polygraphs, arrested for LYING to police, etc, etc.

MissT said...

Anonymous said...
One question also, if Billie was somehow involved in the killing of her daughter or "knew Sean did it" (assuming he did) why would Sean have lied to her about his quitting work the next day (he told her ge was fired so she wouldnt be mad at him). Wouldnt that all be part of their plan?
August 15, 2013 at 3:58 PM

Billie admitted on Facebook that she was out in the car when Shawn quit his job. She said he was wearing a T-shirt and did not turn in his coveralls. She also said that Shawn was wearing a pair of coveralls when David saw him later that day but the coveralls have never been found. As soon as she posted this, her supporters immediately told her to delete it. I knew then that they don't care about Hailey, the only thing they care about is defending Billie. It doesn't matter to them that an innocent 13-year-old girl was murdered and thrown away like trash. Rest in paradise sweet Hailey, justice is coming!

~ABC said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
Only problem is Billie has the same speech patterns which make a person think she is doubting herself in the 911 call she made before Hailey's disappearance when she is saying that she is worried Sean Adkins will steal from her house when she is at work.
August 15, 2013 at 8:28 PM

How can one possibly know what Billie's agenda was when she made that call? We're talking about not only a proven liar, but also a substance abuser. It's faulty reasoning to apply logic to the illogical. It's also known that Billie was sexually abused as a child. That poor, confused, doe-eyed facade is also a coping skill related to that fact.

There are those who tell lies and then there are those who LIVE a lie. Thorough-bred deceivers don't just tell lies when it suits the situation. It becomes their standard way of living.

Anonymous said...

How can one possibly know what Billie's agenda was when she made that call?
She used the words set-up repeatedly; they apply to her agenda

Child Advocate said...

Patsy Ramsey was polished because of education and beauty contests. Patsy Ramsey's story leaked her guilt consistently. Read a few books on the case to see how flimsy her story was. The difference between Patsy Ramsey and Billy Jean Dunn is one of education and class structure. Both are guilty of knowing exactly how their daughters died.

Anonymous said...

I am not saying Billie was an awesome person. I am not saying Billie showed more concern for David than the xbox in the call. I am not concerned with why Billie has a lost doe-eyed look. I am not saying Billie is a great mother. I am not saying Billie does not have inconsostencies in her language. I am not saying Billie did not try to keep seeing Shawn. I am saying that I do not see her language as the language of a sociopath. I am not saying I like how she talks. I am not saying I feel bad for her. I am saying her language, in my opinion, does not show the same veneer as that found with sociopathic liars. See Scott Peterson--good example of this veneer.
I am saying I am not convinced of her involvement but respect that others feel that she was involved.

~ABC said...

Wow, I'm not sure how to respond to that avalanche of "not doings".

No matter what sub-category of liar Billie may be, she's first and foremost a manipulative deceiver who, imo, knows exactly what happened to Hailey Dunn.

Randie said...

Billie is parallel with Scott Peterson.

Liars.
Out for them selves.
Show more concern for things than family.
Have inconsistencies.
knowledge of the death of a loved one.

home alone said...

Anonymous said...

Here's the deal with "tips." People don't seem to be calling in with tips. 98 percent of people on facebook have nothing of value to add to the investigation, but think they do because they spend their days bitching about Billie's boobs and practicing train horn sounds. Everytime you call LE, yiou're wasting resources. (And yes, someone actually did call LE to report that they saw Billie eating ice cream.) Melissa Gooch, Bea Wacker, etc. have no new info to provide that will help LE piece together the puzzles of this investigation that will lead to an air tight case. LE does not "owe" ANYONE information as to the status of the investigation, nor are they going to give it to you no matter how much of their time you waste. Your specialty is googly eyes and modge podge, not police work. (But I would make a personal donation to the LE agency's annual Christmas party if they would just respond with "nanananabooboo" next time Gooch gives them a call.


Gooch the douche "gets owned" by Anonymous
Wacko is just plain wacko from sniffing the modge podge glue

pointhunter said...

Hope for Hailey Holly,i think we're very close to charging someone with murder. I know I have to have faith in that,but from everything Im being told & from different departments,yes soon.

I hope so, Ireally hope so.