Wednesday, August 21, 2013

Three Teens Kill College Student from Australia Out of Boredom


Three “cold and callous” Oklahoma teens were fighting boredom on a lazy August afternoon — so they shot and killed a jogger “for the fun of it,” authorities said yesterday.
The brazen slaying of Christopher Lane (top right), an Australian student who came to the United States because he loved baseball, shocked people in both countries and prompted a call Down Under for a tourist boycott of America.
Police said Lane was visiting Duncan, Okla., where his girlfriend lives, on Friday afternoon when he jogged past a home where the teens were staying.
“We were bored and didn’t have anything to do, so we decided to kill somebody,” cops quoted Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, (inset bottom, far right) as saying.
Christopher Lane
Reuters
Christopher Lane
Jones claimed he, James Francis Edwards Jr., 15, (inset bottom, center) and Chancey Allen Luna, 16, (inset bottom, left) agreed on a murder “for the fun of it,” Police Chief Danny Ford said.
“They saw Christopher go by, and one of them said, ‘There’s our target,’ ” Ford said.
Investigators said Jones drove a car and followed Lane, 22, from Melbourne who was attending East Central University in Ada, Okla., on a baseball scholarship.
Luna, in the back seat, delivered a single fatal shot from a .22-caliber revolver, according to prosecutor Jason Hicks.
Lane staggered and collapsed on the tree-lined road. Passers-by tried CPR in vain.
The teens were found in a church parking lot, thanks to surveillance video.
KWTV in Oklahoma City said they had killed an animal before Lane — and were set to kill another human later Friday when they were captured. Luna’s mother told the station that they were members of a “wannabe gang.”
Luna and Edwards were charged with first-degree murder yesterday and held without bond. Jones, who gave cops a detailed confession, was charged with being an accessory and his bail was set at $1 million.
Edwards has a history of run-ins with the law — and had been in court earlier Friday to sign documents related to his juvenile probation.
“I believe this man is a threat to the community and should not be let out,” Hicks said in opposing bail. “He thinks it’s all a joke.”
In Australia, former Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer asked his countrymen to avoid visiting the United States.
“Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,” Fischer told the Herald Sun newspaper.
“I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers [but] it’s a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.”
Lane’s father, Peter, said trying to understand the murder “is a short way to insanity.

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THE teenagers accused of murdering Melbourne baseball player Chris Lane were dobbed in by a local who claims his son was the trio's next target.
Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards Jr., 15 have been charged with first-degree murder over the fatal shooting in Duncan, Oklahoma. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, was charged with using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and with accessory to first-degree murder after the fact.
James Johnson, 52, called the police to tell them that the accused killers were hiding in the car park of the Immauel Baptist Church car park at about 5pm, two hours after they allegedly shot Lane.

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The Immanuel Baptist Church parking lot in Duncan, Oklahoma, where the three accused of killing Chris Lane last Friday were apprehended. Picture: Andrew Quilty Source: Supplied
"My son called me and said, "They're saying they're coming to kill me," so I called the police and they got here within about three minutes," Johnson told the Herald Sun.
 

Lane's accused killers refused bail

Two boys who allegedly shot dead an Australian baseballer have been charged with first degree murder.
Mr Johnson claimed that Edwards Jr had threatened the life of his own 17-year-old son Christopher on Facebook. His son was at home with his mother and sisters near the church when he received the death threat.
"They threatened to kill my son because they are in a gang, the Crips, and were trying to get my son in it and I wouldn't let him do it.
"I told him he couldn't run with those boys. He's a little terrified."
Mr Johnson said the Crips, a predominantly African American street gang that began in Los Angeles in 1969 and had been in Duncan for the past few years.

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'My son was their next target'
James Johnson believes his teenage son was the trio’s next target. Picture: Andrew Quilty Source:Supplied
He said the group consisted of teenagers who he called "wannabes."
"I've been living here all my life and we never had this, but in the past few years gangs from Lawton have been coming here," Johnson said of the Crips.
Johnson's son also attends Duncan High School, where suspect Luna and Edwards Jr. were students. He said he knew both boys, and described them as "troublemakers" and "bullies" who had "no parental supervision."
"I'm just glad they found the other gun, because they haven't found the murder weapon yet," said Johnson.
Meanwhile, the US government says it is "deeply saddened" by the drive-by shooting murder.
"The United States is deeply saddened to hear the tragic news of the death of an Australian citizen in Oklahoma," Ms Harf said.
"This is clearly a tragic death, and we extend our condolences to the family and the loved ones. We understand that local authorities are focused on bringing those responsible to justice. Clearly, we would support that."
The State Department's comments came after former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer urged Australian tourists to stay away from America to protest the need for stricter gun controls in the US.
Prosecutors have promised that the "thugs" charged over the brutal murder "will pay".
District Attorney Jason Hicks said outside the first court hearing in the Oklahoma town of Duncan that he was "going to do everything I can to ensure these three thugs pay for what they did to Christopher Lane".
"To those friends of ours in Australia, we would say to you this is not Duncan, Oklahoma," Mr Hicks said.
"This is not Stephens County, Oklahoma."
Stephens County Courthouse heard how one of the boys accused of murdering Lane, 22, danced and laughed as he was taken into a police station to be charged after the killing on Friday.
James Edwards, 15, was treating the murder as a joke, Mr Hicks told the hearing.
Mr Hicks told the court that Edwards has previously been in contact with police, and that he had "an attitude of total disregard for law enforcement" when he was being charged over Lane's death.
"He thinks it's funny, and it's all a joke," Mr Hicks said.
"I believe he is a threat to the community."
Mr Hicks said Edwards kept a probation appointment for another matter at the courthouse just minutes after Lane was killed.
 

Sarah Harper remembers slain boyfriend

The girlfriend of a murdered Australian baseball player Chris Lane says she will cherish the memories their time together. Courtesy Channel...
"He was cold, callous and that was the demeanour that we saw throughout the course of the investigation," Mr Hicks said.
Edwards and Chancey Luna, 16, are charged with first-degree murder and face life in prison if convicted.
Mr Hicks said that Luna had refused to co-operate with police.
They were both refused bail.

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James Edwards, 15, charged with first-degree murder.
James Edwards, 15, charged with first-degree murder. Source: Supplied

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James Edwards takes a selfie. Picture: Facebook
James Edwards takes a selfie. Source: Supplied

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Chancey Luna, 16, charged with first-degree murder.
Chancey Luna, 16, charged with first-degree murder. Source: AP

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Chancey Luna.
Chancey Luna. Source: Supplied
Michael Jones, 17, was charged with using a vehicle to facilitate the discharge of a weapon and accessory after the fact of murder in the first degree.
Bail for Jones, who is assisting prosecutors and police, was set at $US1 million ($A1.1 million).
The three will be tried as adults.
They were dressed in orange prison jumpsuits and had their legs shackled during the brief appearance.

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Michael Jones, 17, charged with being an accessory to the killing.
Michael Jones, 17, charged with being an accessory to the killing. Source: Supplied
The court was told that the three boys spotted Lane jogging along a road in an upper-class area of Duncan on Friday.
They got into a car driven by Jones, drove behind Lane and then Luna shot him with .22 calibre revolver in the back, the court was told.
"The information we have was this was the person who pulled the trigger," the prosecutor said of Luna.
Edwards and Luna did not show any emotion, but Jones broke down in tears after Mr Hicks said he was looking at a "very, very lengthy prison sentence".
"I didn't pull the trigger," Jones said.

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Chris Lane wears his baseball equipment in Australia. Picture: Essendon Baseball Club
Chris Lane. Picture: Essendon Baseball ClubSource: AP

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Sarah Harper and Chris Lane.
Sarah Harper and Chris Lane. Source: Supplied
The courtroom was packed and divided.
In the front row sat about 20 family and friends of Sarah Harper, Lane's longtime American girlfriend. Ms Harper, 23, was not in court.
Cindy Harper told the Herald Sun her daughter was at home "trying to relax".
Another Harper family member said "this is surreal" as they were taken out a side door of the court building by sheriffs.
A few rows behind was a distraught Jennifer Luna, coming to grips with a nightmare 12 months that saw the death of her husband in a motorcycle accident and now the prospect her son could spend the rest of his life in prison.

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Jennifer Luna, right, the mother of 16-year-old murder suspect Chancey Luna, outside court. Picture: AP
Jennifer Luna, right, the mother of murder suspect Chancey Luna, outside court. Source: AP

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Jennifer Luna, the mother of Chancey Luna, leaves court Photo: Andrew Quilty.
Jennifer Luna. Photo: Andrew Quilty. Source: HeraldSun
On the right hand side of the courtroom was James Edwards Sr, refusing to believe his son was a killer.
"Yes, I do," Mr Edwards replied outside court when asked if he believed his son, who hoped to be an Olympic wrestler, was innocent.
In the back left area of the court was Jones's parents and supporters, including his pregnant girlfriend.
She sobbed in her seat, eventually leaving the court before Jones came in.
Edwards and Luna did not appear to be fazed during their court appearance.
Even when Ms Luna stood up in court to answer an administrative question from Judge Jerry Herberger, her son didn't acknowledge her.
Edwards didn't look for family members.

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James Edwards Sr believes his 15-year-old son is innocent.
James Edwards Sr believes his 15-year-old son is innocent. Source: AP

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The sister of accused murder James Edwards is comforted by a friend, left, outside court.
The sister of accused murder James Edwards is comforted by a friend, left. Source: HeraldSun
Asked if she had a message for the Lane family outside court, Ms Luna told the Herald Sun: "I feel sorry for them, my heart goes out to them, it really does, but that's my baby too.
"My boy was a baby too."
Luna said there were no guns at her house, and her son was at home playing X-Box with her soon-to-be stepson when she came home from work last Friday after finishing at 3pm.
It comes a day after Duncan Police Chief Danny Ford said he had secured the confession of Jones who had summoned investigators to his jail cell and claimed they were bored "so they decided to kill somebody".
Chief Ford said the teens had no motive other than to ''make a name for themselves''.

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Prosecutor Jason Hicks, right, talks to the media following the teenagers' court appearance. Picture: AP
Prosecutor Jason Hicks, right, talks to the media following the teenagers’ court appearance.Source: AP
Lane was staying with Ms Harper in Duncan before going back to Oklahoma's East Central University where he majored in finance and was the catcher on the team's baseball team.
Ms Harper yesterday revealed her heartbreak at losing her "best friend", and parents of the accused protested their innocence.
She also told the Herald Sun that she didn't know what punishment would be appropriate for the three teens.
Lane, who grew up in Oak Park in Melbourne's north, had only been back in the US for three days after an eight-week break in Australia with Ms Harper.
"I don't want them to have any future that Chris wasn't able to have as well," Ms Harper said of the accused yesterday.
"It's been pretty rough. It's been hard knowing he was taken so close to home, let alone taken in the way he was. To be pointed out like that …"
Ms Harper said she and Lane had joked about America's soft gun laws before he was shot.
"He wasn't a fan of guns," she said.

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Sarah Harper next to a memorial along the road where Chris Lane was killed. Picture: AP
Sarah Harper next to a memorial along the road where Chris Lane was killed. Source: AP

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A memorial to Chris Lane near where he was shot.
A memorial to Chris Lane near where he was shot. Source: AP
She fondly described Lane as a smart, kind and curious guy who would "do anything for anybody".
Ms Harper, also a talented sportswoman, said she and Lane just "meshed together" within weeks of meeting at college in Oklahoma in August 2009.
"It was more of a personality (we had in common), not so much interests. He was intellectual, into world news, and I found that quite boring," she said.
"He really wanted to travel more. He loved the idea of seeing the world."
Ms Harper said she would come back to Australia to farewell Lane with his family.
"I'm probably going to go back and say goodbye with the people he loved the most," she said.
"It was a great time getting back there and seeing him in his element with all his favourite friends.
"It's going to be hard going back but it's something I need to do.
"Thank you to everyone who supported and loved Chris. I really appreciated it."

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Christopher Lane's mother and sister.
Christopher Lane’s mother and sister. Source: News Limited
Shocked family and friends have been trying to make sense of the tragedy.
Peter Lane paid tribute to his son and said the family was still waiting on news from the US authorities regarding the repatriation of the body.
"There is not going to be any good come out of this. It was so senseless. There was nothing he did or could have done," Mr Lane said this week.
"It's happened. It's wrong and we just try and deal with it the best we can."
Flowers and a baseball have been placed on the home plate at Essendon Baseball Club with a message.
"A wonderful young man taken too soon," it read. "Why?"
College friend Marshall Veal added Lane had "brought light to each of us''.
"Lanes would have done anything in the world for all of us and we would do the same, he was a best friend, teammate, and most of all a Brother. We love you Laney."
Local Bill Renfrow, who lives just metres from the intersection where Lane was shot, said Duncan locals had erected a flower memorial for him at the site of the attack.
"It's sad to us, more than anything. It's shocking. He was a visitor in our country," he said.
"This is a very quiet neighbourhood, there's never any trouble here."
Essendon Baseball Club's match against the University of Melbourne on Sunday will be turned into a tribute to Lane to raise money for the family

71 comments:

Anonymous said...

Why,when i see s headline( such this topics)headline i can "Picture"the suspects before i see their mugshots????????

dadgum said...

Animals.
Lock them away forever.
They wanted to kill. The weapon is beside the point. The desire is the evil.

OT Erica Parsons parents on Dr. Phil yesterday, and covered on several HLN shows. Good statements from them and family members, need transcripts.

sidewalk super said...


The Australian Prime Minister might be more correct than we can see at the moment...These empty sub adults have to be products of parents unable to mold them well, exactly what gangs look for. And the proliferation of guns here should be frightening to everyone/anyone.

My sorrow is for the innocent, unsuspecting young man who was made a victim of these murderers.

Anonymous said...

Please please jail the vermin,then execute each insect while its accomplice watches,knowing its next.

john said...

OT..

James DiMaggio family requests DNA samples for Hannah Anderson, her brother.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/21/us/hannah-anderson-james-dimaggio-case/

Stuart said...

I hope this doesn't turn into a race issue. The driver does not have dark skin and the next guy they were going to murder does have dark skin.

It looks like they are going to be tried as adults. Their pictures have been released even though they are minors. That bodes well for a long sentence. No sentence is long enough...

Frannie said...

Obama, Sharpton, Jackson, Oprah...where is YOUR outrage with this killing? Waiting...waiting...and still waiting...

shmi said...

It's open season on innocent people. There was a shooter at a Georgia school yesterday. Shootings every day. We are not safe anywhere. Chris
Rock has a great idea to stop gun violence. The guns are already out there, but charge $5000.00 for a bullet.

My sympathies to the family and girlfriend of the victim. Their lives are now changed forever. I don't blame the Australians if they decide not to come to the US anymore. I won't go to any Muslim country. That would be stupid! And, yes, I know I am stereotyping a large part of the world, and I don't care! They can't fix what's wrong with Islam, and we can't fix what's wrong with our youth.

BostonLady said...

What is wrong with this society? My heart breaks for the young man, his family and friends, who was shot for no other reason than to relieve boredom??

Where is the outrage from all those who screamed about Trayvon Martin and his senseless murder?

Nothing. If this was a black young man with 3 white boys who did this, it would be plastered all over the news.

This country needs prayers. So many seem to have lost their way and have no regard for human life. If we were bored growing up, we found something to do or our parents would find it for us.

Lemon said...

Who will claim Christopher Lane could have been their son?
Who will get Christopher Lane tats in his honor?
Who will pose in jogging clothes and be photographed to show their solidarity with Christopher Lane?
Who will rally and chant "We are Christopher Lane"?
Who will hold vigils, light candles, and decry the violence in his name?
Who…?

~ silence ~

Lemon said...

(beepbeep beep…this just in off the twitter...)

Update: The Right Reverend Jackson Spews Vitriol…um, no, FROWNS...

Praying for the family of Chris Lane. This senseless violence is frowned upon and the justice system must prevail.

Rev Jesse Jackson Sr (@RevJJackson) August 21, 2013

dadgum said...

I frown upon my granddaughters spilling the froot loops all over the kitchen..

Murder needs more than a frown..

Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember what Peter says about using "percent" in a statement? I can't remember! Thanks!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Does anyone remember what Peter says about using "percent" in a statement? I can't remember! Thanks!

I remember Casey Anthony saying percent alot, 100 percent Maybe it is in an article he wrote about her.

Hate Crime Charges?? said...

Sorry, but WHY aren't these two black and one mixed-race youths being charged with a hate crime for gunning down a random white stranger??

Say what you will:

Had two WHITE punks and a half LATINO kid, randomly gunned down a black man traveling abroad...

We'd have race riots, Al Sharpton coming out the wahzoo on every news channel, and an outraged public demanding the DP and/or vigilante justice!

dadgum said...

I think it had to do with saying she was '1000 percent sure' Exaggeration to convince.

Anonymous said...

Anyone else beginning to think we have indeed been invaded by aliens? These creatures who look just like us but have no conscience or souls, are living among us, breeding and infiltrating every aspect of our society. I only wish it WAS a bad movie or tv series. We could just turn it off and go back to real life and real people.

Anonymous said...

Why were those teens, already on probation, not being supervised? They were left to roam around, had access to a car and gun. We need tougher laws to hold parents accountable for their children. IMO there is no excuse for letting Cryp (sp?) wannabes run around getting so bored they have nothing better to do than kill some innocent stranger for the fun of it. I can't believe that no one saw this coming and tried to prevent it.

Hobnob said...

off topic

CHARLOTTE—The adoptive parents of missing Rowan County teenager Erica Parsons appeared on the Dr. Phil show again.

One of the tools they used to try to clear their names is a polygraph, or lie detector test. However Casey Parsons, Erica's adoptive mother, did not take the lie detector test because she said she was in severe pain.

The polygraph administrator was Jack Trimarco, a former FBI special agent who served as program manager for the F.B.I. Polygraph at the Los Angeles Field Office and as conducted more than 3,000 polygraphs around the world.

Trimarco said pain can interfere with the readings so she could not take it.

Dr. Phil said he offered to give her the test after she had taken pain medication, but she refused.


Sandy Parsons did take the test. He was asked if he deliberately planned or caused Erica's disappearance. To both questions, he answered no.

Trimarco said the results show Parsons' answer was strongly deceptive.

"The numerical scoring for that particular format was minus nine. In order for him to to fail that test, he would have needed a minus four or above. And so he is what I consider strongly deceptive to those questions. This was not a close call. It was quite clear,” said Trimarco.


By the time the 'Dr. Phil' show received the results, investigators from the FBI, the SBI and the Rowan County Sheriff's Office had already searched the Parsons' home. Both Sandy and Casey Parsons refused to appear on the show to see the results.

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children has released an age-progressed photo of Erica Parsons to show what she may look like at the age of 15.

http://triangle.news14.com/content/news/charlotte/698675/-dr--phil--unveils-polygraph-results-from-missing-rowan-co--teen-s-adoptive-parents

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I am not surprised at either the mom refusing to take the test or the dad failng it.

john said...

OT.Update Erica Parsons.

Adoptive father of missing girl who insists she is safe is ruled 'strongly deceptive' on Dr Phil polygraph after being accused of her murder... and his wife REFUSES to be tested.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2398884/Missing-Erica-Parsons-adoptive-father-Sandy-ruled-strongly-deceptive-Dr-Phil-polygraph.html#ixzz2cdu9iEAt

BostonLady said...

Anonymous CanadianGirl said...

BostonLady said...

"Where is the outrage from all those who screamed about Trayvon Martin and his senseless murder?

Nothing. If this was a black young man with 3 white boys who did this, it would be plastered all over the news."

Seriously BostonLady,
Did you read the news? IT'S BEEN ALL OVER THE NEWS!!! This horror is being talked about all over the world.

And yes, those who marched and rallied during the other case are just as horrified. If you weren't so ignorant you would know that.

If you actually read the news maybe you would realize that it was a BLACK MAN, YES, A BLACK FATHER who called the police and informed them of the location of the three murderers. If you had taken off your ignorant reading glasses you would have read the part where the father stated that his son was next on the hit list of these bored murderers.

BostonLady if you weren't so ignorant you would have realized that this father is against gangs and crimes and is keeping his son out of them.

BostonLady, these three teenagers are gang members not mentally ill neighbourhood watch patrolmen. Gang members kill regardless of colour, there is no discrimination when it comes to who they choose to kill. The only colour they want to see is red!

August 21, 2013 at 5:10 PM

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Yes I did, Canadian Girl. Why are you calling everyone who has an opinion that is different than yours on this board "Ignorant"? Did anyone call you that?

If you are unable to comprehend what is being expressed by many, it is you who is ignorant.

There is NO outcry from the black leaders about this senseless death. Where is Obama on this one? This IS actually an international incident. He SHOULD comment and express his sorry for what was done by 3 black thugs who were bored. And their thug parents are sticking up for them.

And I haven't seen any of "those" who marched and rallied for Trayvon Martin, (who was a troubled black teen, kicked out of school) profess anything, anywhere. In addition, THIS killing is what it looks like to murder someone in cold blood for absolutely no reason. Trayvon was shot in a fight. Christopher Martin didn't get to punch anyone, or slam their head into the sidewalk.

And I remember in the Trayvon Martin case it was SEVERAL white citizens who called the police for Trayvon. So your attempt to argue that is nil.

Uh and for your knowledge, the VICTIM is Christopher Martin, not the thugs.

TxsGal said...

Send all of 'em to Texas. Our death row has an express lane.

Lemon said...

Oh Headache,

I am anything but a 'neutral observer' and glad for it.

shmi said...

No Neutral observer here, either.

sidewalk super said...


Ah, Lemon,
your 1:58 post is well said.
Very well said.

Anonymous said...

"In Australia, former Deputy Prime Minister Tim Fischer" - Mr Fischer hasn't been in office since 2001. I live in Australia in the state that produces the Heraldsun. Worst newspaper around, with the worst reporting. Not really up to date when they interview a "old" man who retired from politics in 2001.

Lemon said...

thank you sidewalk super.

dadgum said...

hobs..
the girl who said she used to live with Erica (I need to watch and see the relationship) sounded not only uneducated, but possibly drunk or drugged. The house sounds chaotic, she is yelling as she goes on air. A sad, sad group of people. Poor Erica.

Bayou belle said...

there are no words effective enough to express how this effects me..the usual disgust,disbelief,nausea,are so inadequate....pray very hard for the victims family...even for the killer's families...assuming there are a few"good eggs" in a clan that could produce such cold blooded, murderous, knuckle- draggers...sickened beyond belief...just when you think you have heard it all..

ulla said...

I agree that this wasn't racially motivated, more maybe a class thing or even a random target. Their next intended victim, whose father called the police and told them where they were, was black.

One of the suspects isn't even black. This seems like a case of underclass,not very bright kids who were left to their own devices under very bad influences, not kids who decided to kill a guy just because he was white.

How sad it is that the world lost such a wonderful young man as Christopher Lane.

His killers don't look like they have much positive to give. To kill "out of boredom" is unfathomable evil. What a waste of young lives all round.



...As for Obama's weighing in, he should have kept out of the Trayvon case in the first place. If he doesn't speak out now he will look hypocritical and insensitive.

BostonLady said...

Sorry, Christopher Lane is the victim's name. I don't know why I was typing Martin.

Ulla, you are correct. Obama never should have weighed in on the Trayvon Martin case. He only exacerbated the situation. Given that this young man was from another country, Obama really should pass along an apology to his family and country.

Lemon.. excellent post. Thank you!

Jazzie said...

The American Devolution.
Break down of family = Break down of society.
Death springs from boredom.
Gotta love it.
What ever happened to...
Went for a walk in the woods?
Went swimming in the lake?
Went over to visit my friend?
Hung out on the corner?

Hey let's kill instead.

Anonymous said...

I'm sorry to say that I am no longer surprised by stories like this. The USA is sick and only getting worse. My thoughts are with the victim's family and friends.

john said...
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john said...

OT..Update Hannah Anderson..

'My mom raised me to be strong': Hannah Anderson, 16, gives first interview since being kidnapped by family friend who killed her mother and brother.

The interview is due to be aired tomorrow morning on today..

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2399653/Hannah-Anderson-Kidnap-victim-16-opens-mother-interview.html#ixzz2cgEFQBFH

john said...

Can anyone help in providing a link to watch the Dr Phil Show with Erica Parsons adoptive parents..

Thanks..

Anonymous said...

"Uh and for your knowledge, the VICTIM is Christopher Martin, not the thugs."

Nicest Freudian slip EVER.

Anonymous said...

Great post @"lemon".

dadgum said...

John..
try this
http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/2054

dadgum said...

part 2
http://drphil.com/shows/show/2055/

john said...

Thanks dadgum..

Can anyone shed some light on this..

In these short clips,every time "Nan" is mentioned the pronoun HER is dropped.Yet when they use the word "Grandmother" they use the pronoun HER.

Dr Phil does it himself a few times, is this because he is quoting them?

Given i live across the pond,and i am not savy with American regional dialects, is it normal in some states to drop the pronoun HER when using the word "Nan"?
Or is this pronoun dropped because "Nan" doesn't exist?

dadgum said...

CBS is really bad about transcripts, aren't they? Shows too. I have Tuesday on my DVR, but we had no power yesterday and I missed both showings of part2.

My daughter moved in with her 3, and school hasn't started yet. Pandemonium reigns!!!

HLN might have something..am a bit busy here though...

Shelley said...

Canadian Girl...

I dont think you understood the point the others were making in relation to the Trayvon case.

At least how I took it was that so many people jumped on the bandwagon on the Trayvon case. Yet while this may be in the news, I would be willing to bet it will not see the same outrage.

And to me, this is MUCH WORSE.

First off, Trayvon was NOT an innocent kid. And, the media tried to portray him as an innocent little boy which was NOT. AND, the security cameras in the store even showed that the black male working at the store was leary of him... he was watching is everymove and following him as he moved around the store. Hard to accuse another black man of being a racist. The kid looked like trouble.

AND, if the media also shared news about Zimmerman and the good he has done for others (including blacks) they would know he was not a racist.

Fact is that Trayvon looked like trouble. YES, George should have stayed in his car. But lets see how you feel after your neighborhood is broken into over and over again and then you see this sketchy kid running around. His defenses were up.

And I think the kid attacked George.

But to not focus on the guilt there, there was way more media attention to that because everyone jumped on the RACISIM bandwagon. They didnt care what the cause was, it was just something people used to make a statement.


And I promise you, no one is going to march for this man. Protest his rights.

Wont happen and that was their point.


shmi said...

Ot:
John, on YouTube you can see most if not all of both parts of Dr. Phil's interview with Erica Parson's xxx(whatevers). I won't call them parents.

Just follow the numbers.

The main idea coming from the xxx is that everyone is lying and nobody likes them. Not her own mother, who has custody of her 2 youngest. Her mother hangs up the phone when she calls. Her sister has called DSS many times, and even got custody of Erica for a year. His parents hate them, their son hates them. Oh, and they don't even call their son, my son, as in "My son called the police"". They say "the son called the police". So everyone around them is lying because they hate them. (In part 2)

These two are not the brightest bulbs, they don't even deny beating Erica. They have caused pain for everyone they have come in contact with. Pure Evil Casey, and Dumbass Sandy. This should not take a long time for LE to figure out.

This is my opinion.

Anonymous said...

@ Canadian girl. You're right, but you can't fix stupid. Peter's blog has become a site for ignorant (yes Boston lady, look up the dictionary definition)racist views. But then, that seems to be his intention. Peter's take on Obama is usually disrespectful and he's only interested in SA 'fake' hate crimes. He shows his bias by the cases he chooses to analyse and by his ranting editorials which are more about his politics than SA.

If people here were really interested in SA they would have neutrally analysed George Zimmerman's statements. Prejudice overcome SA. His statements reek of deception. :-(

It's a classic that people can't recognise their unconscious prejudices, although the racism on this site IS pretty obvious and hate-filled.

shmi said...

I think the son that called police must have been an adopted son.

Does anyone know how many kids they have? Seems like a lot.

They are in it for the $$.

Anonymous said...

In the usa 89% of crimes are commited by blacks.11% by whites.stats say it all.

Anonymous said...

i get your point canadiangirl, but i think boston's slam was against the fkn niggers that scream the racecard when it fits their agenda, those racists losers aren't EQUALLY being duochebags when the race roles are reversed.

"remember who should really be angry, that would be the victim's family, NOT YOU!!! "
when others cant cry, i cry for them.
when others cant hate, i hate for them.
as first world, we have the freedom to be assholes.
if you don't like it, stay in canada.

btw, i agree with boston on this one.

"Why do we "humans"allow this type of animal to "mix"with humanity?"
"Nicest Freudian slip EVER. "
exactly, humans should not breed with niggers.

the difference between trayvon and Christopher is Chris was the innocent good guy that the fkn niggers tried to portray traycoon as. the outrage is warranted now, but where is it? white athlete out training versus a nigger out scoping his next burglary victim, then attacking a neighborhood watchman..... a neighborhood watchman looking out for his fellow man versus some niggers just killing for the hell of it. that is a big difference.

Anonymous said...

not only that but blacks only make up 20% of US population, with out them, there would be only 21% crime than what we have now.

Anonymous said...

Id hate it,having one of "those"in my house.id have to fumigate afterwards.

~ABC said...

Rather than being so focused on gun control, the US could take a page from Australia's book and BAN violent video games!! That's where the real problem begins in programming the minds of youth.

I am sending much love and prayers to Christopher Lane and all who know and love him.

And the Al Sharpton's of the world could do a great service by speaking out against these young black thugs to raise awareness that the knife cuts both ways!

Shelley said...

Anon at 12:06pm

You stated:
If people here were really interested in SA they would have neutrally analysed George Zimmerman's statements. Prejudice overcome SA. His statements reek of deception. :-(


Actually George was analayzed by Peter. I didn’t post the entire article as you can read it here. But here were the highlights. And as he stated that Mark McClish also had the same conclusion. I posted highlights there too.
Peters SA:
“I have also read Zimmerman's initial statement, as well as Mark McClish' analysis. Mark did a good job, and showed that when it came to the life and death struggle, Zimmerman told the truth”

Zimmerman did not murder Trayvon Martin.
“George Zimmerman shot Travyon Martin in self defense and did not lie about it”
Mark’s SA:
There are not a lot of deceptive indicators in Zimmerman's statement. Most of the deception occurs when talking about getting out of his car and looking for Martin.

"I could not remember the name of the street so I got out of my car to look for a street sign."

"I was out of my vehicle looking for a street sign + the direction the suspect went."

Here we have him explaining his actions with the use of the word so. Twice he mentions getting out of his vehicle. We also have the changes in language from car to vehicle and from and to using the plus sign. This indicates Zimmerman may have been deceptive when talking about looking for Martin. Perhaps he did not obey the instructions given by the dispatcher to stop following Martin. Maybe he did not go back to his vehicle but continued to look for Martin.
However, once Zimmerman mentions being approached by Martin his written statement indicates he is being truthful when he talks about Martin punching him, slamming his head into the concrete and Zimmerman shooting Martin.

Mark has a blog for those that do not know and can look this analysis up themselves.

Shelley said...

And my last comment...


Everyone turned the Travyon cases in to racism. IT WAS NOT!

This case was used to promote racisim rather than actual show a case of true racism. So many blacks are still stuck in that mind set that they jump on anything to make it about race.

So why can this shooting be about race. It was NO more about race that the Trayvon case was yet the Travyon case took on a world of its own.


Alot of information was kept out of the news and out of court.

Things that had it been show or allowed would take out the racisim card.

Dont take my word for it, look into the facts.

We all hear only what the media tells us. Which for those that follow this blog, should learn to not just take everything as face value.



And even George had been a racist, I am sure that there are more racisim crimes out there that no one cares a thing about. Happens every day.

So I think back to whats her name getting mad and calling the other one ignorant, you need to ask yourself, why that case? Why did that spark national controversy. It was not the first time there was a racist crime.

And then since it was actually NOT racist. George did not shoot Travyon because he was black, then ask yourself why again did they get so worked up.


And with so much crime, one thing that was asked to Ms. Ali (she is a very outspoken black woman who clearly hates white people as she said they are all racists) on Dr Drew when he was talking about the case was "why is there not this same outrage or concern for the millions of blacks that kills blacks every year in gang, crime cases"

She had no response.


Everyone is looking for a cause but not one realy cares anymore.

Just like Stevie Wonder said he would not play in Florida anymore, do you think he has done one thing to maybe stop gang violence in black neighborhoods? I think not.

Its just something people jump on and then forget about and move on.



Shelley said...

So I agree with Lemon...


that the fact that this case will not see the president or celebrities coming out of the wood work...

that this case will not get protestors on the streets....

It has to make you wonder why. Why some cases matter, others dont.

Just as the fact that JonBenet Ramsey was a household name, still is to this day. Yet hundreds of kids are killed by their parents or in their own homes everyday that we never hear about.

I think that was more Lemons statement rather than saying this was racism.

But saying that technically we have 3 non whites that killed a white. We could call that racism. But it wont happen.

That card is allow allowed for blacks apparently even when no racisim is actually present or been proved in any manner.



And again everyone that things Trayvon was a victim, go to utube and look at the video of him at the 7-11. The store clerke was clearly concerned about Trayvon and he was a black man himself. Clearly Travyon was not some innocent little child walking with his bag of skittles.

There were also texts to Travyon asking if he wanted a "22 caliber".

So Travyon was clearly on the market for a gun? He had been kicked out of 3 schools, his own mother kicked him out of the house.

People need to understand also that he was 6'4 and fought for "fun" where George is a very short man and at the time was thin. I promise you George was not going to win in a fight against Travyon.



Ok, I am stopping. I just get worked up and wish people would look at the facts and not just take what you hear at face value.

You follow this blog for a reason. Because you dont want to just accept what you think you hear. But to see the truth.

So look for the truth. Dont just run with a theory because thats what everyone believes.

john said...

Dr. Drew HLN.


Miss Ali is back tonight to join the dialogue about this tragic story.

Shelley said...

I said I was done… Sorry..
But thought of another story that I felt kinda showed again where we have no ability to look at the big picture.

Where one story makes national news and causes riots, another is unheard of and no one does a thing about it…

Well there is another recent case where this can clearly be seen. And its not just about race so don’t misunderstand. I am just making a point that people will jump on a case for a cause while allowing worse behavior to continue with out a 2nd thought and at times it is even rewarded.

People will jump on the band wagon in one case, but others will be ignored or even rewarded. See below for my point on this.



Paul Dean uses the “N” word years ago. Loses her job, endorsements and is publicly shunned.
We don’t even know that shes a racist. I mean, lets be honest that word back in the day was frequent for those in the south. And while its derogatory, so is bitch, cracker, homo, towel head etc. But I think its safe to day that those words are used every day in the world and no one is losing everything over it.

Yet… meanwhile….
Jaime Fox says “I kill all the white people in the movie. How great is that” and I am sure he will continue to get paid millions of dollars as an actor….
Lil Wayne was filmed stepping on the flag while filming the music video for 'God Bless Amerika” and I am sure he makes millions off the video.
Charlie Sheen is drug addicted, joke of a dad, obnoxious, insulting, dispresectful actor ON THE JOB and he got his own show and new commercials that clearly state his behavior was something to be proud of
Daniel Tosh says racist crap every day about everyone and has never had anyone protest or ask him to be fired
Bill Clinton slept with a member of his staff while President and married. He was elected again and is still married.
Kanye West went on stage and took an award that was meant for Taylor Swift just because he felt Beyonce was more deserving. I think after a couple months of jokes, everyone forgot about it and he lost nothing.

AND…
Lets not forget about all the music that uses the “N” word over and over and over

Again, we have an issue where one case gets all the attention, not even always rightly so. Where others are ignored or even rewarded.
So this comes back to the point where we need to pay attention and not just jump on the band wagon just cause everyone else is.

It’s why the world is so unjust.

Shelley said...

john said...
Dr. Drew HLN.
Miss Ali is back tonight to join the dialogue about this tragic story.


********************
OMG thank you John for telling me. I am so gonna DVR that. I am curious to see her outrage. I am thinking she may be there to promote the innocence of the black kids. But I will be watching!

~ABC said...

Shelly I'm right with you! I feel your frustration.

Christopher Lane's death was senseless and doesn't seem to be racially motivated, but rather motivated by HATE in general which does classify it AS a hate crime. Trayvon Martins death occurred as a result of his actions and also was not racially motivated. Hate motivated? No, self-defense motivated.

Comparing the two situations is only to highlight the fact that someone could make Lane's death about racism just as well as they made Trayvon's death about racism, but there don't seem to be any high-profile spokespeople speaking out against RACISM TOWARDS WHITES!!! The attitude seems to be that whites deserve to be the target of racist blacks. It just makes me sick and I wish people could grow up and get over it!

Anonymous said...

FYI:

Zimmerman grew up in a mixed race house, “has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather – the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him”, grew up with two African-American girls who were considered part of the household.

Started a business in 2004 with an African-American friend.

“Publicly testified against the Sanford police department in defense of a homeless black man” in 2011, even going so far as to pass out fliers in the black community to raise awareness & contacted the local NAACP chapter on his behalf.

These are not the actions of one racist against blacks. Reuters and the Chicago Tribune reported that the FBI concluded there was no evidence that George Zimmerman was a racist after interviewing dozens of friends, coworkers and neighbors.

~ABC said...

Beautiful Anon @ August 22, 2013 5:32 PM

Thank you!

dadgum said...

...now I have that Ali woman's voice in my head..

John, re Erica's parents..I talked to A Candy Rose, she is still looking for transcripts. She will transcribe both shows if she needs to (I am missing the second due to power out). When she puts it up, I will link..

john said...

dadgum said...
...now I have that Ali woman's voice in my head..

LOL

Cheers dadgum.

Anonymous said...

I'm willing to bet none of you have black friends. Lemon? Boston Lady? And if you did would you talk like this in front if them? I doubt it. Peter must be so proud of his pathetic followers who believe whites reign supreme and black people are scum. You bring race into this to justify your views whenever you can not realizing your the trash.

CanadianGirl said...

Wow! How does being mixed "race" diminish my statements?
There is a huge difference between people who speak from opinion verses those who speak from experience.

Shelly, I can't see the comparison the way you have explained it. This is a tactic that has been used too many times and I won't fall for it.

There is no need for people to protest in the streets. In this case justice will be served. I don't believe these three gangsters will experience freedom ever again. Their crime was so awful that they don't have a hope in hell of being free. Shelly/Lemon/BostonLady, you all know that people in that community are horrified by the crime. I'm sure that community members are happy to see those gangsters taken out of their community.

Christopher Lane will receive justice, there is no doubt about that.

I feel the same way about the Christopher Lane case as I do about the Zimmerman case: PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE OUT ON THE STREET SHOOTING UNARMED PEOPLE!

Anonymous said...

zimmerman went home because he had not committed a crime. the outrage came due to the fact that Zman looks white and a nigger got killed. that was why there was outrage by the racist niggers.

Anonymous said...

You repeatedly use a horrible word but yet call black people racists. Do you understand how stupid your argument is?

john said...

Miss Ali's take on the "boredom murder"

Three Oklahoma teenagers accused of killing 23-year-old Australian baseball player because they were bored
One of the accused teens posted images online showing himself posing with guns and wads of cash
Miss Ali has her own idea on what's behind this killing.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/08/23/miss-ali-and-boredom-murder

Anonymous said...

Definitions
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Word forms: dobs, dobbing, dobbed
adverb (Australian & New Zealand, informal)
tr to inform against or report, esp to the police

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why,when i see s headline( such this topics)headline i can "Picture"the suspects before i see their mugshots????????

August 21, 2013 at 6:17 AM

You may have glimpsed the news earlier.

thereisnoexitfromthetruth said...

I stay away for a few days and all hell breaks loose. lol
To all you nigger haters, take your thumb out of your ass and suck on it. No one gives a damn about your nigger rants. You are only proving my point, thanks. So, to you, I say, " Right on nigger, right on".

Peters SA: (aka) Shitty Answers

" I have also read Zimmerman's (initial)statement, as well as Mark McClish analysis. Mark did a (good job), and showed that when (it) came to the life and death struggle , Zimmerman told the truth"

Peter, I indicate deception. lol
Let me analysis your statements using your system of statement analysis. " I have also read Zimmerman's initial statement, as well as Mark McClish analysis.

Initial statement? Why did you not read the other versions (statements) Zimmerman made? Is it because you know he was being deceptive and did not want to stir the pot by posting and showing that his many versions 'Did not past the smell test'? Mark did a 'good job'... A good job? Why not an excellent job or a great job? Here, you are passive in speech. If you can't say he did an excellent or great job, then guess what? According to SA, I can't say it for you. Good job, indeed. I think good job trying to lie. Epic Fail.

...And showed that when it came to the life and struggle, Zimmerman told the truth. What is this (it) you speak of? In my opinion, you are implying that everything Zimmerman said before the struggle is a lie. Correct? Finally, that imfamous life and death struggle. Trayvon struggled for his life when 'wanna be cop' Zimmerman tried to detain him instead of letting le do their jobs. When Zimmerman realized he was losing the fight HE started, he took out his gun and shot Trayvon to death.


united4trayvon said...

'call and let me know when'