Tuesday, November 13, 2012

Baby Lisa: When Last Seen

**please note:  the ABC article is copy/pasted and did not accurately reflect what the GMA host asked.  This has been corrected.  The rest of the analysis remains the same. 

Deborah Bradley's timeline indicates deception.  In order to deceive, one must exercise the will to do so:  deception is deliberate.  Truthful memories are easy and can be repeated backwards and forwards.  

Lisa's mother, Deborah Brandley, described to "GMA" exactly what happened the last time she saw her daughter:

**Please note that she may have been responded to when she last saw Lisa***
"It was between the time she went to bed and time I went to bed," she said through tears. "gave her her bottle and put her to sleep, and that was the last when we last saw her."

Please note the change in pronoun from "I" to "we" weakens the statement and taken in conclusion with other statements, is deceptive.  Deceptive statements are often, sentence to sentence, made up of truth.  Now, within an overall deceptive statement, let's examine the time frame:
1.  When asked exactly when Lisa was last seen, the last known person to see Lisa alive is Deborah Bradley, the mother who gives us the time frame of when she last saw her.  
2.  Note that "the time she went to bed" has a change of language to:  "I gave her her bottle and put her to sleep"
The change of language should represent a change in reality. 
This suggests one of two things:  that either after being put to bed, Deborah put Lisa "to sleep" or Deborah is being deceptive, indicated by the change of language. 

Note that "put to sleep" often indicates activities, such as giving a bottle, rocking, soothing, etc.  
3.  Chronological order.  
Memory, due to experience, is easy to recall in chronological order because of the experience. A subject  can recite the day backwards and forwards.  Due to the trauma of a child gone missing, a mother's adrenaline would be on high, and her senses sharpened and heightened, recalling in vivid detail, everything that happened. Going out of chronological order indicates deception. 
4.  Language:  Did Deborah, after putting her to bed, and before going to bed herself, put Lisa "to sleep" by unknown means?  Accidental overdose? Shaken baby?  We note the change that must represent a change in reality. 

Some have speculated this to be an excited utterance, but Statement Analysis teaches to listen to words spoken, and not to interpret.  She was asked a question and answered it.  Many deceptive people later turn and say, "that's not what I meant to say" such as:
"dead squirrels crawled up into my car..." Casey Anthony. 
The confusion is due to the fact that a fabrication does not come from experiential memory and slips out of chronological order.  She was thinking of the odor of Caylee's decomposing body in her car and sought a lie to cover it.  She thought of dead squirrels giving off the odor, and went out of reasonable order because it did not happen; therefore, it did not come from experiential memory.  Later, to repeat a lie, some deceptive persons will rely upon self references and say, "Like I said..." and "like I told you before" indicating that the memory they are working from is the memory of a prior statement. 
6.  "We saw her"
Please note that although Deborah Bradley was speaking about what time she put her to sleep, she now says it was the last time "we" saw her; with the pronoun inconsistency showing deception. 
Question:  What would make it true?
Answer:  If Deborah was not alone.  
Since Jeremy was reported to be at work, this would indicate that Deborah Bradley was not alone at 10:30PM.  
If Jeremy was home at 10:30PM, then the "we" is appropriate and it was prior to 10:30PM that Deborah put Lisa "to sleep". 

Pronouns are instinctive.  They are not part of a personal, subjective internal dictionary.  She was either not alone (she had help) or she desires to share the guilt with someone else. 

Jeremy Irwin:  
"The windows were open and the lights were on, and she was no where to be found," he said. "We've been going over everything in our minds. We just don't have any idea."
Please note that in many statements where sexual activity took place, lights are mentioned. Please note that he was describing when he, Jeremy Irwin (one man, singular) came home; yet immediately goes to the plural "we" which reduces reliability.  Note that he gives both his and her thinking:  "we just don't have any ideas"; with the plural suggesting that he knows what another was thinking.  This is another sensitivity indicator on Jeremy's statements.  Lastly, "no idea" was followed up by a list given to police of possible suspects.  This indicates that having "no idea" is not truthful. 
Ernie Allen of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children said that infant abduction cases are relatively rare. There have been 278 documented cases in which newborns or infants have been abducted since 1983.

Forty-six percent, or 128 cases, involved instances in which the children were taken from health care locations, hospitals, for instance. Forty percent, or 112 cases, involved children taken from homes. Of the total 278 cases, children were returned home safely in 266 instances.
"On Monday night or Tuesday morning, our daughter Lisa was taken from our home and we just urge anyone with any information as to where she is or who she's with to please call the tip hotline or the police," said Lisa's father Jeremy Irwin in a trembling voice. "Anything, even the smallest bit of information, could help lead to her return.
"Anybody that might have her, they can drop her off anyplace safe, fire station, hospital church, no questions asked," Irwin said.

Note the words "might have her" now bring into question Jeremy Irwin's assertion that she was taken from their house.  Does he no longer believe she was taken?  If she was taken, someone would have to have her.  This shows that he does not believe someone has "taken" her; that is, a stranger.  This may be why he refused to let police interview him without Deborah Bradley's presence. 


Anonymous said...

Were they ever speaking about why Lisa did not have pyjamas on? Did they ever speak about she did not have a bath that day? I did not read anything about that. I wonder if she had a bath that day or not or if any statements gave indication of bath time as a sensitive issue.

Periwinkle Paisley said...

OT: The Kevin Clash scandal -- Peter, what is your opinion about a statement that can be true and not true at the same time? Here's the denial in Clash's statement: "I had a relationship with the accuser. It was between two consenting adults and I am deeply saddened that he is trying to characterize it as something other than what it was. I am taking a break from Sesame Workshop to deal with this false and defamatory allegation." He's not being deceiving about the relationship is he being deceiving that it happened when the accuser was underage?

deb said...

Peter- don't know how to contact you other than this- thought you'd like to know I got your name/blog into Mail On-line-My comment is first-

Tuesday, Nov 13 201212PM 32°F3PM32°F5-Day Forecast
'I am not in love with David Petraeus': Paula Broadwell's bizarre denial during interview filmed five months into her affair with disgraced CIA boss
By Daniel Bates
PUBLISHED:16:43 EST, 12 November 2012| UPDATED:17:49 EST, 12 November 2012
The woman who had an affair with David Petraeus denied she was in love with him in a bizarre interview she gave in the midst of their fling.
Speaking in an interview while promoting her book in February, Paula Broadwell said without prompting: 'I am not in love with David Petraeus', in what was something of a Freudian slip.
By that stage their affair was around five months having started when he became head of the CIA in September last year. It ended around July, according to reports.
Freudian? In an interview with Arthur Kade, Paula Broadwell let slip: 'I'm not in love with David Petraeus'
In the interview Broadwell, who is married with two young sons, revealed that she had sent Petraeus' wife Holly a copy of her her fawning biography of her husband - and claimed that she loved it.
Broadwell, 40, also revealed for the first time the extent of the access that he gave her, including private papers going back 30 years.
The disclosure could reignite the debate about what information she was given access to.
If Petraeus, 60, was prepared to show her his intimate correspondence with mentors then he may have allowed her to see classified information too.
Affair: Former CIA boss David Petraeus is pictured with Paula Broadwell, his biographer and alleged mistress
Controversially, Broadwell even claims that it was Petraeus' idea, and not hers, to turn her

deb said...

dissertation project on military leadership into the book it became: 'All In: The Education Of General David Petraeus.'
The interview was carried out by Arthur Kade, a former financial advisor turned humanitarian who also conducts celebrity interviews.
He and Broadwell sit in front of an open fire for 13 minutes during which she speaks at length about the book.
Broadwell says: 'I conducted over 700 interviews, you can appreciate how time consuming that is, and to transcribe then and I was trying to do this all on my own as a dissertation project.
'But when I realised the opportunity I had to present this portrait of strategic leadership - you know it's not a hagiography, I’m not in love with David Petraeus, but I think he does present a terrific role model for young people, for executives, for men and women.
Betrayal: Broadwell has two children with her radiologist husband, Scott, pictured left. Petraeus has been married to his wife Holly, pictured right, for 38 years and they have two grown children together
Look of love? A photo in June 2011 shows Broadwell watching as Petraeus and Holly arrive for a Senate Select Intelligence Committee hearing on Petraeus' nomination to be director of the CIA
'There's a great role model there who is values oriented, who speaks the truth to power, who shows great example of taking initiative and other qualities we should be all be interested in ourselves and promoting in others.
Broadwell said that she had presented Petreaus with a copy of her book but added that 'he says he hasn't read it'.
She said: 'I sent him and his wife a copy and I know his wife, Holly Petraeus, read it and she had great things to say.
'He's tracking how the book is being received and as an academic mentor of mine, if you will, he's proud of me.'
Insistence: Broadwell made the bizarre claim about not loving Petraeus while promoting his biography, All In
Broadwell and Petraeus first met in 2006 when she asked him if he could be a case study in her Harvard dissertation on military leadership.
He agreed, gave her a business card and she made multiple visits to Afghanistan to interview him - before romance finally flourished.
Turning to their relationship, Broadwell said in the interview: 'Our rapport increased and he decided to make it more of an official relationship, treating me like a biographer.
'I was able to look through correspondence he exchange with his mentors over three decades as a young captain and major and I was able to trace how he was thinking, the evolution of his thought about counterinsurgency, about how forces train and equip and fight and on leadership.
'I was particularly interested in leadership.'

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Statement analysis tells us that a statement such as this- said in the negative- is saying the opposite. Statement analysis is the most fun to learn, and a requirement if you want to know what ppl are REALLY saying- best teacher is Peter Hyatt as Seamus O Riley's statement analysis.
- deb , bloomington, 13/11/2012 06:02

I'm surprised she didn't "mouth" the microphone when he stuck it in her face..... LOL
- PeterM , Monroe, United States, 13/11/2012 13:35
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US military is undisciplined and hypocritical. No wonder they cant win any wars
- charliechan , China, 13/11/2012 10:33
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don't look behind the curtain....
- rick , atlanta_georgia_way_deep_south, United States, 13/11/2012 09:58
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Love that title, "All In". Sounds a bit too literal, perhaps?
- DrMallard , West Palm Beach FL USA, 13/11/2012 06:16
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deb said...

I probably mis-"interpreted" that quote- but was just excited to try and get you name in- if i'd put in blog information- they would not have printed it- I'm surprised they printed that!

sha said...

the last time i had anything PUT TO SLEEP it was a very old very ill dog, and the vet did it

usually i PUT babies in their crib, or PUT them down for a nap, i might ROCK them to sleep or SING them to sleep,.....but i never PUT THEM TO SLEEP

I am thinking mommy-not-so-dearest PUT baby to sleep using a little too much cold medicine (remember the big deal made over the baby being a tad sick).


Tania Cadogan said...

off topic

A WOMAN accused in the deaths of four children in a fire at her home day care in Houston, Texas, has been found guilty on one count of felony murder.
Jessica Tata, 24, faces up to life in prison for the February 2011 death of 16-month-old Elias Castillo.

Authorities say Tata left Elias and six other children unsupervised while she went to a nearby Target store. The fire started when oil ignited in a pan atop a stovetop burner. Three other children were seriously injured in the fire.
The jury will hear evidence in the punishment phase of her trial, which is expected to begin later today. Prosecutors did not say after the verdict was read whether they planned to seek a life sentence.
Tata had no visible reaction as the verdict was read. Some of Elias' family and relatives of other victims present in the courtroom began to cry.
"We're thankful for today's verdict," said Nancy Villanueva, one of Elias's aunts. "We're happy."
Defence lawyer Mike DeGeurin said he accepted the jury's verdict and would now focus on sentencing.
"She's never lost sight of the real victims," Mr DeGeurin said. "She hasn't forgotten that. It's not all about her."
Tata's lawyers argued that she never intended to hurt the children, who ranged in age from 16 months to 3 years, and that she tried to save them. But prosecutors did not need to show she intended to harm the children, only that the deaths occurred because she put them in danger by leaving them alone. Under Texas law, a person can be convicted of felony murder if he or she committed an underlying felony and that action led to the death.
Tata still faces three more counts of felony murder, three counts of abandoning a child and two counts of reckless injury to a child.

Tata fled to Nigeria in the wake of the fire but was captured after about a month, returned to the US in March 2011 and has remained jailed since. She was born in the US but has Nigerian citizenship.
During Tata's trial, which began on October 24, surveillance video was presented that showed her shopping at Target just before the fire occurred. A former Target manager told jurors that Tata did not seem to be in a hurry after realising she had left the stove on while the kids were at the day care.
Neighbours testified that they heard the children crying during their unsuccessful attempts to rescue them from the blaze. Parents told jurors they had trusted Tata, believing she was qualified.
Defence lawyers presented expert testimony to argue that faulty kitchen equipment may have sparked the fire.
Jurors could also have found Tata guilty of four lesser counts. There was brief confusion in court when the jury indicated it had reached a verdict. But State District Judge Marc Brown sent them back because they had chosen multiple counts instead of one

Anonymous said...

I agree with Moo. I used to say I put the kids to bed - I have always associated "put to sleep" with kindly euthanizing an ill or old animal.


Anonymous said...


"Letter to the kidnapper of Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook-Morrissey

7 HOURS AGO To Whom it May Concern:

We would use your name, but we don’t know who you are. Or maybe we do? Maybe you are someone who knows the girls? Maybe you are someone who just acted upon an impulse? Maybe you planned to take them? We don’t know, because we don’t know who you are.

But we can sort of imagine that you must not have had the things you needed to grow up feeling safe and loved. Because only someone who hurts inside would hurt another person and their family. We’ve all heard the saying, “Hurt people, hurt people.” We believe that is true.

We are so sorry for whatever happened to you, when you were growing up. Certainly, all children do not receive all the love and care they deserve. Some are even abused by those who are supposed to have taken care of them. When that happens, it is very wrong.

Taking the girls from us has caused much pain, pain for them, pain for us and our families. Since the time you took them, maybe you’ve wondered more than a few times, how you could ever make it right. How to be a hero, not a monster. Things probably look pretty hopeless for a good outcome.

We want you to know that we are praying for you to do the right thing. By releasing the girls, everyone wins. Even you. The person who took them.

Imagine how it will feel to have everyone remember that you were the one person, in all the missing children cases, the one person who cared enough to let the girls go! You will not be remembered as the one who took the girls, but as the one who let them come home.

Our lives have not been the same since July 13. Please, let our girls come home to us.

Do the right thing. Be a hero.


Drew and Heather Collins

Dan and Misty Morrissey-Cook"


Tania Cadogan said...

When the case of Baby Lisa broke, i picked up on debbie saying "i gave her a bottle and put her to sleep."
As there was no pause between the action and the reaction it came out as giving the bottle put her to sleep, what was in the bottle to cause the sleep?

Think of it as i gave her an anaesthetic and put her to sleep.

This made me wonder if Lisa was sedated or given alcohol by debbie so she could have me time.
She was drinking allegedly heavily enough to black out, the last thing she needed was a crying baby.

I haven't seen anything from the neighbor who was allegedly drinking with her as to if she had seen Baby Lisa awake, or even if she was in Debbie's house.

Tori said...

Excellent read as always. Where's Lisa Irwin? http://s3.excoboard.com/findinglisairwin

Anonymous said...

with my 3 yr old, I sa either, I put him to bed about 730, or ill say he went to bed/went to sleep about 730, or even he passed out about 730... I may even have said I put him to sleep a time or two, but.never realized how it sounded....till now