Monday, November 12, 2012

Celina Cass Update

Stepfather Wendell Noyes was deceptive in his statements about Celina Cass.  Have investigators been unable to link him to the murder?

BURLINGTON, Vt. -
Authorities in New Hampshire who are investigating the homicide of Celina Cass are taking an interest in Israel Keyes. Keyes is a suspect in the murders of Bill and Lorraine Currier.
Assistant N.H. Attorney General Jane Young said Sunday, "State Police are aware of Mr. Keyes and they are being provided information through the FBI. Everybody is looked at in these cases. We would be remiss in our duty if we didn't follow up on any new information that came to light. State police are aware and have been in communication with the FBI, who certainly would share any information if there was any possible link to any homicides in New Hampshire."
This is the first time a law enforcement official has connected Keyes publicly in our region. Young was clear she wasn't saying there is a link between Keyes and Celina Cass, but said police must look at all new information, even if it only means ruling him out as a suspect.
Vermont authorities in charge of the Currier case told to media nine days ago that Bill and Lorraine were randomly targeted, abducted from their home then murdered shortly thereafter. They revealed that the suspect was in custody out of state on another charge -- but they would not say who. Channel 3 confirmed that suspect is 34-year-old Keyes who's in a federal prison in Alaska for allegedly kidnapping and killing an 18-year-old there. He checked into an Essex hotel the day before the couple disappeared and checked out the day after they went missing. Sources say while Keyes was being questioned about the Alaska murdered he told investigators where they could find the bodies of a missing Vermont couple. That ultimately lead to an 11 week search of a Coventry landfill. But the Curriers' bodies have never been recovered.
Authorities in New Hampshire -- who are investigating the homicide of Celina Cass -- are taking an interest in Israel Keyes. Keyes is a suspect in the murders of Bill and Lorraine Currier

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bill and Loraine Currier were last seen on June 9, 2011. Celina Cass was last seen on July 25, 2011. If this guy did it, they would be able to track his whereabouts around the time of July 25, 2011 when she disappeared. It is believed he fled after their murder and went to Alaska where he murdered an 18 year old (Samantha Koenig?). If he was already in Alaska before Celina disappeared then he couldn't possibly have murdered her. The possibility exists since both Koenig and Cass were found in a body of water (lake and river). What is interesting though is that he used stolen credit cards from both the couple and Koenig which lead investigators to Keyes. Celina didn't possess any of these and I don't believe the family indicated that they were robbed in addition to having Celina kidnapped (although that too is a possibility kept from the media to aid in apprehending the culprit). I can see the similarities, but investigators would be able to figure out where his whereabouts were during the time Celina disappeared.

Mouse74 said...

OT: Charlie Rogers speaks again. From a friend's facebook post.
Part I

These are the words of Charlie.
State of Nebraska vs. Charlie Kay Rogers: Charge-False Reporting
I do this for me. This is not an attempt to change anything. It is done against the advice of my attorney. I am likely going to jail for a crime committed against me. I feel that I have a responsibility to tell the truth. Due to the circumstances I am facing, this is the only way to do so.
On the night of July 22, 2012 I was attacked in my home by three masked men who bound and cut me. They cut derogatory slurs into my body and called me names. They then attempted to set my house on fire. I escaped into my backyard. I was able to get my feet unbound, kick down and fence and run naked to my neighbor’s house. She called the police. I talked to the dispatcher. Fire and rescue came. I was walked a block and a half barely covered and still bound and placed in the back of an ambulance.
I was taken to the hospital and examined. I was questioned by the police. At one point, a personal cell phone was used by a police officer to record my statement. I was told by an officer that crimes like this don’t happen in Nebraska. As I was being examined, I was asked what medications are I take. I take an anti-depressant and an anti-anxiety medication. I had been previously diagnosed with anxiety, depression and PTSD.
After the police and doctors were done at the hospital, the police placed the keys to my home on the counter in the hospital room and told to go home, that the windows of my house had been opened to air out the smell of gasoline. No police officer escorted me home. I had scrubs on that the hospital gave me and no shoes. A nurse had called a local shelter that had sent an advocate to come sit with me. She took me home.
So, I am left at my house alone. I got my dogs from my neighbor and went to a friend’s house. She graciously took me and my dogs in. In the aftermath of the ordeal, I asked my friend to go to my house to get some clothes for me, as I was still in the bloody scrubs I left the hospital in. She and a friend of hers went to get clothes for me. She took pictures of the inside of the house so that I could see the damage to the house. My door was completely broken down. The house was not at all secured. This was the house I was sent home to alone by the police after having been attacked. This friend posted pictures of some writing in my basement on Facebook. Her intentions, I am sure, were good. It, however, was a surprise to me that it had been posted. I did not ask her to do so, nor did I know it had been done until it was already done.
Also at this time, vigils began taking place across Nebraska and across the nation. They were beautiful expressions of love and support. I did not have any part in the organization of any of these events or of any fund raisers. I made no appearances at any of them. I was still reeling from what had happened.
Very early on, the idea of a hoax came into play. The police were issuing statements. The media was everywhere. I responded to no requests for interviews. I ended up doing one interview for an Omaha television station to try to squash the rumors of hoax, to express my gratitude for the vigils, but also to express that I was trying to heal and wished to be left alone.
Two days passed before I was contacted by the investigator of the case. Two days in which my house was left entirely open. People were in and out. My insurance people were in the house as were my friends who got my clothes. I know not who all was in there. Items were left on my doorstep. People were around. There is no way to know who was in and out of the house. A second canvasing was done of my property for evidence after these two days, as a teaching mechanism for students. There is no telling what evidence may have been lost or damaged during the time my house sat open.

Mouse74 said...

OT: Charlie Rogers speaks again. From a friend's fb post.
Part II

Then it started to get bad. I had my first interview with the investigator. It was four hours long. I was again photographed, naked. I was interrogated. I felt very much like a suspect and not a victim. I gave permission for my computer to be looked at. A few days later, I gave permission for my phone to be examined.
I hired an attorney that was recommended by a friend of mine. She was hired with the idea of managing the fund raising money and the interview requests, as I was totally overwhelmed and had no idea how to deal with any of it. She was not a criminal defense attorney. I had no idea I needed one.
The interrogation of me continued over the course of the investigation with a final total time of somewhere between 12-16 hours. My immediate family members were interviewed. No one else was interviewed as a suspect. I was the number one suspect the whole time. I was never advised of this. I was never given my Miranda rights. I was never warned. I kept cooperating. I did not know that it was me they were after.
The investigation culminated in a meeting with my former attorney, me and the two officers working on the case. Another four hours. One where they told me I did it. I kept insisting that I did not. They called in a mental health professional. I was accused of having multiple personalities, black outs. I have none of these. They tried to put me in emergency protective custody, but could not. Instead, I was told by the mental health professional that she would be calling every hour on the hour. If I did not answer one of those calls, the police would be there to get me.

Mouse74 said...

OT: Charlie Rogers speaks again. From a friend's facebook post.
Part III

Then I was arrested. Things went from bad to worse. The media was everywhere. I was placed in emergency protective custody immediately after my arrest. Not because I had made any threats of self -harm. It was because the police, my attorney, an acquaintance and an ex thought I might hurt myself after being arrested. That set of circumstances had never been seen before by the staff at the mental health facility.

Since the case remained open at the time of my arrest and remains open to this day, my attorney advised me to not talk about the case while I was in emergency protective custody. So this translated in the official police reports as me being uncooperative while I was there. That is not true.
I was released from emergency protective custody to a virtual storm of hate. The police chief had held a press conference. He released an alarming amount of information about my case. When asked why he had released so much more information than usual by a reporter, he responded by saying that he wanted the public to know a thorough investigation had been done. A thorough investigation, but during the first two thirds of his press conference he had my name wrong.
What really happens is this. I am perceived as guilty by my community. No trial needed. No questions asked. People took back donated monies. I was used by “causes” when it was convenient for them. I was left when an accusation was made. They wanted a poster child. Their intention was never to really help me. Hateful things were said about me in the media. The people who had been supportive the week before were gone. And I get to say nothing. I have to just wait. I have to let the police and the media tear me apart. There is an open investigation against me. I cannot defend myself. I have to shut up and wait.
I hired a defense attorney when I was arrested. I then saw the police investigation. The five hundred page report they did is almost exclusively interviews of me and my family. I had neighbors who saw things the night of the incident. That was not followed up on. There were witnesses who saw suspicious characters photographing me at an event. Unfortunately, the security cameras at the facility didn’t work. They said there was no forced entry to my house. One person has a key to my house. She was not at any point in the investigation, interviewed by police. They also subpoenaed my mental health records. When I asked about possible evidence that could have been overlooked or lost or taken while my house sat open, I was told that they had what they had. Like lost or missing evidence is of no consequence. The items used in this crime came from inside my house. This is true. But I would have to say that most people have things in their house that could be used to hurt them.
It is a misdemeanor charge.

Here is why it is a much bigger deal than that. I believe that if found guilty of the misdemeanor charge of false reporting, I will then be charged with arson and insurance fraud. I know that insurance fraud papers have been filed. I received no insurance money. When the fire department said that only two hundred dollars of damage was done, I stopped the claim. It was never filed. Well, it turns out that my insurance company found there to be $10,000-$20,000 worth of damage. And though no actual claim was filed and no monies received, the fact that I called my insurance company could make me guilty of insurance fraud.

Mouse74 said...

OT: Charlie Rogers speaks again. From a friend's facebook post.
Part IV

Here are some interesting points. The county attorney is going after me more harshly than a man who admitted to molesting his children. More harshly than a man who got drunk and crashed a boat into people. More harshly than men who beat women. Also, people who have no attachment to law enforcement in any way have seen the reports. The reports were shown to them by law enforcement officials, in a friend way.
I have never committed a crime. I do not have a history of self-mutilation. I do have mental illness. That does not make me guilty. I did not participate in any of the media surrounding this. I did not benefit from any of the monies donated after the incident.
The media around this case is very much being held against me. If I had done this for a gay cause, would I not have granted interviews and lead the charge. If I did this because I am mentally ill, why are they so adamant to put me in jail?
The police got away with an inadequate investigation by calling me guilty, by publicizing the details of my case without me being able to defend myself and by keeping a case open against me.
Here is what happened to me during all of this. I was unable to seek mental health treatment as my mental health records were subpoenaed and can be used against me in court. I lost virtually all of my friends. I lost family members. I lost my reputation. I lost my past. I lost my future. I was declared guilty without a trial. I was isolated. I can’t talk about this to anyone. I can’t defend myself to the media. I sit alone, day after day, unable to deal with the trauma. I am afraid. I am alone. I do not sleep. I have difficulty eating. My stomach bleeds. I have tremendous anxiety. I have nightmares. I was left to clean up the house I was hurt in alone. I was left without furniture. I was left with bills I cannot pay. I have been intimidated by the police and the county attorney. I am afraid of law enforcement. I am a victim who wishes she had never called the police. I am a victim who was abandoned by her community.
I guess my point is, please think about what is going on beyond what you read in print. I have been isolated. I have been treated unfairly. I have had hate directed against me every single day since the arrest. I have mental illness. That does not make me guilty. It makes me vulnerable in a system that understands nothing about mental illness. I can’t remember details, partly because that is what our brains do in instances of trauma, and partly because my brain is already made that way due to previous trauma.
In my opinion, the police were able to take the wind out of a beautiful movement of love and support, to take the fear out of the community, to hide their inadequate investigation… by saying I did it… and then shutting me up.
Before this ends, I have to thank the people who have stood with me. The people who have stayed, who have been there to hold my hand, who have continued to believe though the odds are against me. I am more than an “incident.” I am the person who was a public servant, who started her own business, who made sure folks had food, who volunteered, who took care of her neighbors, who cares about her community, who thinks we all deserve a chance. Despite having every reason not to hope, I still do. Even after all of this.
I will keep fighting. I will keep trying to be heard. I will keep telling the truth. Doing this is going to hurt me and my case. But it might help someone else. It might make someone out there think twice. That makes any bad that comes my way from speaking out worth it. I will not stand by and let someone else be hurt knowing I could have done something about it. I would not have stood by before this happened. I will not now.
Sincerely,
Charlie Kay Rogers

Please share this as you see fit. I want people to see this. Hate me, love me, don't care.

Anonymous said...

Interesting posts Mouse 74. In that entire statement, she never addresses her attackers or fear that others are in danger because they are still out there. The entire statement is defending herself only.

Mouse74 said...

I'm sad for her friends and family that continue to support her. She isn't really giving them a choice with her emotinal manipulation going on here. She is sticking to her lie, and therefore dragging her friends/family deeper into this, all to remain a victim. If she is a victim now, it is at her own hands, so no pity felt for her. Only the ones that stand by her, manipulated.

rob said...

Two things:
1.she says she is not allowed to speak about what happened. That is by her attorney, not LE.
2. She really wants to stress that she suffers from mental illness. She probably did this, but doesn't remember any of it, because she is crazy.

Hobnob said...

At no point do i se a relaible first person singular event specifc past tense denial.

What i am seeing is her defence, she will plead mental illness, it is the only option she has.

At the time it happened i asked if she had issues, if she had ended a relationship or similar, something caused her to seek attention.

It is the same thing now, she wants to be the centre of attention on her terms.

They are right to be concerned she will self harm, she has done it before, hence the charges, next time she may go further, perhaps further than she wants with tragic consequences.
She needs to be charged and prosecuted to the full extent of the law, this way any sentencing can take into account her mental issues and maybe she can get the hlp she clearly needs.

Seamus O Riley said...

I am working on Charlie's statement. It is very sad.

Thank you for posting it.

Peter

Apple said...

OT:
I read that the pants of missing toddler Caleigh Harrison washed ashore. Sorry I am unable to link from my phone.

Jen said...

OT: I think the first sentence says it all..."I do this for me." If order shows importance then theres no doubt what is most important to Charlie Rogers..herself, she wants to tell 'her story' regardless of the consequences and I think that says a lot about her personality & her motivation to fake this crime. The next thing that jumps out at me is:

"It is a misdemeanor charge. Here is why it is a much bigger deal than that. I believe that if found guilty of the misdemeanor charge of false reporting, I will then be charged with arson and insurance fraud."

Her biggest concern about being charged with a crime she says she didn't commit is the fact that she believes it will lead to more serious charges. Not the fact that if her story were true, then 'three masked men' who supposedly attacked her are still free to victimize others. I also notice that after the first paragraph she never references her 'attackers' again..only her actions, her opinion of incompetence and unfair treatment by LE, and the fact that according to her this is all somebody else's fault (her friend posted the pics, others organized the rallies, the media who accused her of a hoax, etc.

She denies any wrongdoing however in Part IV she writes, "If I did this because I am mentally ill, why are they so adamant to put me in jail?", after claiming her harsh treatment by the county attorney is worse than that of child molesters or 'men who beat women'. (interesting that she groups 'men who beat women' with child molestation, showing she clearly views it as a despicable crime & expects others will as well, maybe this is why she made up 'her story', to invoke sympathy for herself & rage toward her attackers)

Her focus throughout the posts is to garner pity for herself & deflect blame for any of the parts of 'her story' (her words, remember) that don't fit into the innocent victim scenario. She claims she didn't posts the pics calling attention to herself, didn't file an insurance claim, didn't receive any of the money donated or respond to any of the media requests but also states that she hired an attorney to deal with the fundraising money & the media requests!? Her language & actions to not fit with those of someone who has been victimized, particularly when she claimed in her interview that she wasn't afraid of her attackers or that they would come back. Victims of violence look over their shoulder every second until the perpetrator is caught & the trauma effects them the rest of their lives.

Hobnob said...

Jen said...
OT: I think the first sentence says it all..."I do this for me." If order shows importance then theres no doubt what is most important to Charlie Rogers..herself, she wants to tell 'her story' regardless of the consequences and I think that says a lot about her personality & her motivation to fake this crime. The next thing that jumps out at me is:

"It is a misdemeanor charge. Here is why it is a much bigger deal than that. I believe that if found guilty of the misdemeanor charge of false reporting, I will then be charged with arson and insurance fraud."

Her biggest concern about being charged with a crime she says she didn't commit is the fact that she believes it will lead to more serious charges. Not the fact that if her story were true, then 'three masked men' who supposedly attacked her are still free to victimize others. I also notice that after the first paragraph she never references her 'attackers' again..only her actions, her opinion of incompetence and unfair treatment by LE, and the fact that according to her this is all somebody else's fault (her friend posted the pics, others organized the rallies, the media who accused her of a hoax, etc.


Well spotted Jen.
Mental health issues will be her defence which is why she is putting it out there, I am sick it is cruel to prosecute me, i am a lesbian, it is hateful to prosecute me.
I bet when she came up with this plan she didn't think too far ahead as to any possible consequences, She probably thought at worst it's a misdemeanor, filing a false police report but hey it's worth it for my cause, i will be a martyr.
I bet she got one hell of a shock when her attorney pointed out it would be felonies. Lying to the FBI, Arson, insurance fraud, it could have been worse if her attorney hadn't kept the monies back until after the investigation (she probably knew from the get go it was a lie and was covering her clients butt against further charges) Should she be found guilty (if her mental health defence doesn't work well) then the jobs she wanted working with children will be out the window, if not already gone bosoms up due to her mental health, who wants to leave their child with a nutter?
I also wonder if she will be sued since americans tend to be a tad litigious.Her demeaning statements about family, friends, supporters etc could end up with her in court again, all those who donated even if they got their money back could be tempted to sue for fraud, obtaining services by deception and such like.
This has spun out of her control and i wouldn't be surprised to see a meltdown. My concern is she will take it out on others or take others with her.


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