Tuesday, October 22, 2013

Baby Lisa: Deception Continues

The mother of Baby Lisa was deceptive about what happened that fateful night and gave linguistic indications that her child was dead.  It would appear that alcohol was acutely involved in her death and that the mother was deceptive about a kidnapping.

Here, the deception continues.  Guilty parents jump upon stories like these.  The father, Jeremy Irwin, though not directly involved, covered for Deborah Bradley, even refusing to be interviewed by the police without Bradley's presence.

The parents were deceptive.

The parents hindered the investigation.

The parents limited the locations in the house where searching was allowed.

It may have been that police were very close to a confession from Bradley on unintended death; yet lawyer Joe Tacopina swept in and shut it all down.

Strange enough:  Tacopina stated that the FBI showed him the evidence against Deborah Bradley.

Then, little else was said.

No charges were brought against Bradley in spite of all the deception in her statements, and the implausible story of the 'break in' that defied reason.


Was Maria kidnapped from Kansas City? Parents of baby Lisa Irwin contact Greek authorities over similarities between gypsy camp girl and what their missing daughter would look like today


  • Baby Lisa Irwin vanished from her home in Kansas City on October 2011 
  • Her parents, Jeremy Irwin, 31, and Deborah Bradley, 30, have contacted Greek authorities following the rescue of Maria from Greek gypsy camp
  • Maria is now at the center of an international appeal to uncover her identity
  • Attorney for Irwin and Bradley confirmed they are one of four 'significant' leads in the United States out of thousands of enquiries

As the search for Maria's identity widened into an international appeal, Jeremy Irwin, 31, and Deborah Bradley, 30, who lost their daughter Lisa in October 2011, were reported by Greek authorities to be one the eight leads - four of which are from the U.S. - out of thousands they are taking extremely seriously.

Attorney John Picerno, who has represented Irwin and Bradley since their daughter disappeared from her bed after an apparent home invasion, confirmed they were one of four American inquiries about Maria, but refused to go into further detail.
Speaking to the Daily Telegraph, Picerno said, 'We inquire about every child that is found and fits the age profile of Lisa.

'We investigate all leads. I don't have any further comment at this stage.'
Little Lisa Irwin's disappearance hit the headlines across the nation in October 2011 when she was reported missing by her father when she was only 11 months old.
She would be three-years old in November and her eyes bare more than a passing resemblance to those of Maria, the girl rescued from a Greek gypsy camp in Tabakou on Wednesday.


Father and daughter: This is Jeremy Irwin and his daughter Lisa before she was abducted at the age of 10 months from her home in Kansas City, Missouri
Father and daughter: This is Jeremy Irwin and his daughter Lisa before she was abducted at the age of 10 months from her home in Kansas City, Missouri
Pictured: Eleftheria Dimopoulou, 40 with husband Christos Salis and little Maria, the Roma couple under arrest in Greece over the alleged abduction of Maria, the blond girl discovered by police at a Roma camp in Farsala, near Larissa, central Greece
Pictured: Eleftheria Dimopoulou, 40 with husband Christos Salis and little Maria, the Roma couple under arrest in Greece over the alleged abduction of Maria, the blond girl discovered by police at a Roma camp in Farsala, near Larissa, central Greece
Age-progression: On the left is how the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children imagines Lisa would look and on the right is little Maria from Greece
Age-progression: On the left is how the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children imagines Lisa would look and on the right is little Maria from Greece
Age-progression: On the left is how the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children imagines Lisa would look and on the right is little Maria from Greece
However, it is thought that while the two little girls share physical similarities, Maria is estimated to be around four or five years old although no official age has been confirmed.
KMBC, the local news station in Kansas City, produced in conjunction with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children an age-progression image, which projects what Lisa may look like now.

In early November, 2011, just over a month after Lisa vanished, Irwin said his debit card was stolen. 
The card was suspended after he noticed a fraudulent charge for $69.04 made to a British website that advertises a service to legally change your name or your child’s name online. 

Fraud: One month after his daughter's disappearance Jeremy Irwin discovered his credit card had been used to pay money to a British website that alters names by deed-poll
Meanwhile, today in Greece, Hristos Salis, 39, and Eleftheria Dimopoulou, 40, the gypsy couple accused of abducting Maria appeared in court to be charged with child abduction and forging birth documents.
Her case has attracted global attention, with thousands of calls from people who believe they may know her identity.
The child – nicknamed ‘the blonde angel’ by the Greek media – was discovered last week when police raided a gipsy camp. DNA evidence proved she was not related to the couple.
Abducting a child under the age of 14 carries a maximum sentence of ten years.
The forgery charges relate to fake child birth certificates and two false identities used by Dimopoulou.
Baby blue eyes: Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley have notified authorities in Greece that their Lisa could be little Maria
Baby blue eyes: Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley have notified authorities in Greece that their Lisa could be little Maria
Baby blue eyes: Jeremy Irwin and Deborah Bradley have notified authorities in Greece that their Lisa could be little Maria 
Smiles: Deborah kisses her little girl Lisa before her disappearance in October 2011
Smiles: Deborah kisses her little girl Lisa before her disappearance in October 2011
Back in the United States, Lisa's disappearance was not without controversy though - Bradley claimed that an intruder must have taken her daughter from her bedroom while she was asleep in the same room - having consumed a large amount of alcohol.
A witness said that he saw a man carrying around a baby in a diaper down the street around the time Lisa went missing
Earlier this month, before the rescue of Maria from the camp in northern Greece, Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin held a candle-lit vigil to mark the second anniversary of her disappearance.
Despite the family's determination, authorities in Kansas City said before this last week, tips into the disappearance have waned since the months after she vanished on October 4, 2011.
'I cannot force the people who know where Lisa is and who might have her into telling us. I have no control over that,' Bradley told the Kansas City Star.
'You do what you can for your baby, because it is your job as a parent to protect your child, and I wasn’t able to protect her from the bad guys.'
Lisa was 10-months-old when her father returned from a late work shift to find the front door open, the lights on, Bradley asleep, his daughter's bedroom window open and her crib empty.
They believe that someone broke into the home and snatched the baby while Bradley slept, and have said they think someone is bringing up the little girl as their own.
Vanished: Deborah said that her child was taken from her house after she had fallen asleep after drinking too much
Vanished: Deborah said that her child was taken from her house after she had fallen asleep after drinking too much
'When somebody abducts an infant, they don't take them to hurt them,' she said. 'Wherever she is, she is being loved and taken well care of, because they went through a hell of a lot of trouble to get her.'
She said that she knows people have pointed fingers at them for the disappearance but she maintained their innocence - and said it will be proven when the little girl returns to them.
A private investigator continues to work on the case, and the family still offers a $100,000 reward for anyone who has information that could bring the baby home.
Tragically for Irwin and Bradley, they have also revealed that her room remains virtually untouched two years after she disappeared without trace.
Both Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin have tried to keep a high media profile in the two years since their Lisa's disappearance.
Initially, police assumed that they were involved in their daughter's abduction and told Bradley that she failed a lie detector test. 
Appeals: John Picerno, (left) who has represented Irwin and Bradley (center) appear on the Today Show in 2012 to appeal for the return of their child Lisa
Appeals: John Picerno, (left) who has represented Irwin and Bradley (center) appear on the Today Show in 2012 to appeal for the return of their child Lisa
'They said I failed a polygraph test,' Bradley, 25, told the Associated Press in the immediate weeks after Lisa's October, 2011 disappearance.
'And I continued to say that's not possible because I don't know where she's at and I did not do this.'
They said police have treated them like suspects and that Bradley in particular has been preparing for the possibility of charges being filed against her.
The mother said detectives told her: 'You did it. You did it. And we have nothing.'
The parents say they discovered their front door unlocked, a window open and house lights blazing, lending credence to the theory that the baby may have been snatched by an intruder.
'The main problem I think that we're facing is that everybody (else) has an alibi,' Irwin said. 
'I was at work. I've been cleared. All these other people we were worried about ... the FBI said they've been cleared. The only one you can't clear is the mother that's at home when it happens `cause there's nobody else there.'
Back in Greece, Maria is in the care of the Smile of a Child charity and have received more than 8,000 calls about Maria.

59 comments:

Hobnob said...

I am waiting for someone to claim the blonde found in the roma camp in ireland could be Maddie and again the mccanns to jump on the band wagon and claim this is conclusive proof Maddie is still alive blah blah.

Heck the media in the UK on one front page claimed 'Maddie' found alive in greece even though it was clear it couldn't have been but never let facts get in the way of a good story and Maddie sells papers.

I notice they omit the mention of cadaver dogs reacting and debbie not searching the backyard because she was scared what she might find!

Bradley told the Kansas City Star. 'You do what you can for your baby, because it is your job as a parent to protect your child, and I wasn’t able to protect her from the bad guys.
Lots of distancing pronouns with the word YOU.
She doesn't tells us what she would do only what we (you) would do. Why would she need to distance herself from her missing daughter?

Expected is Bradley told the Kansas City Star. 'I do what I can for my baby, because it is my job as a parent to protect my child, and I wasn’t able to protect her from the bad guys.'

Nanna Frances said...

If Bradley had been sober, she might have saved her baby. She had to have her adult time when kids were in the house! Shame!

Nanna Frances said...

If Bradley had been sober, she might have saved her baby. She had to have her adult time when kids were in the house! Shame!

john said...

OT..

John Ramsey Opposes Release Of Secret Indictment In JonBenet Murder Case:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/john-ramsey-indictment_n_4138617.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

shmi said...

Wasn't there 2 different sightings of a man running around with a baby in the middle of the night on the night baby Lisa went missing? 2 completely different times and descriptions?

Sella35 said...

The parents were deceptive.

The parents hindered the investigation.

The parents limited...and now they are going to capitalize on it!

The parents stink of lies imo

Anonymous said...

If "Baby Lisa" is alive she would be about 3 years of age

"Gypsy" Marie is about 5 or 6 years of age

Bonnie Blue said...

I think I am missing information. Is a gypsie the same as a drifter or transient? I assume they were not people from money because authorities suspect a welfare scam.
How would these people afford to move around the US to find a child to steal? Traveling is very expensive. If they think this little one is from North America then I would assume her family was vacationing near these people.

I apologize if I am uninformed, I am just reading now reading about the story.

Anonymous said...

This case was my introduction to this site and SA. I became convinced of her guilt. Sad she is still a free woman.

What about the Celis case? That's one where I remain unconvinced of the parents' guilt. There was a cousin that seemed hinky and attention seeking but then he kind of disappeared.

I'm still iffy on the McCann's too. Not defending them, just remain unconvinced.

Interestingly, the Daily Mail article on Baby Lisa and the Greek girl has Bradley as 30 but cites her as 25 when Lisa was taken. That along with the difference in Lisa's age and the suspected age of the girl, kinda funny.

Buckley

Anonymous said...

I think Maria looks older than 3 years. Bless her heart.

Anonymous said...

the official flyer shows born in 2009, but i wonder if they are going by what the gypsies said about when they got her. keep in mind they were charged for falsifying her birth certificate or w/e. but anyway, that would make her 4ish.
there are other photos of her, just google image search for her.

Shelley said...

It is not Baby Lisa.


*Dental tests have now revealed Maria is a five or six-year-old, not four



her eis the link on the article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2470062/Blonde-Angel-Maria-Gypsy-couple-court-abduction-charges.html

Anonymous said...

@Bonnie Blue, the term gypsie normally refers to nomads. But this is Greece in a communal setting..so gypsie probably means a carnie, a scammer etc.... gypsie can be anything really..

Anonymous said...

OK, this is really strange. When my son was about 4 yrs old which would have been about 8 1/2 yrs ago, I had brought him down to the park down the street from us & he was playing in the sand box. This man sat down next to me & started talking to me. He was black as night and had an English accent--the little girl he had brought to the park who was playing in the sandbox w my son was extremely fair--hair so blond it was almost white & blue eyes--she was between 2 and 4 yrs old. At 1st I thought maybe he was her nanny but then he began telling me thst the little girl was his biological daughter and that noone believes him but that this is his biological daughter and her mother lives on the Cape and he has her for a visit. He was well-mannered, well-dressed. I didnt know what to make of it and was busy running after a very active little boy. That evening I told my sister about it and that I felt uneasy--what if the little girl had been kidnapped. I said should I go tell the police? My sister said yes, so I drove down to my town's police station and told the lady at the window about the very black man who was claiming to be the father of a little girl who was extremely fair, blond hair blue eyes and that I was afraid maybe she had been kidnapped. The lady said why didnt you tell us earlier in the day if you really thought the girl had been kidnapped and she laughed at me and closed the window. Is there some chance this girl could be older? I just read on cnn she could be as old as 9 yrs old???!

Anonymous said...

@anon 7:07- I have a dear friend with blonde hair and blue eyes, she married a very dark black man, the two kids ...oldest is black with black hair, the younger boy is blonde with blue eyes and white as he can be..when they split he made her do paternity test on the younger one and he was 99.99999 his child

Pak31 said...

None of this hoopla has to do with Lisa's case. As a parent of grown children, if I get tipsy now or past the point of tipsy, I think about how I would be able to care for a very small child. I couldn't. That is why I didn't get drunk unless, unless it was for something like a wedding or what ever but I had my parents or inlaws watching the children. Even then, I still never got to a point of drunkenness. I just could not. So she can't claim she knows all that happened if she was without her husband and drinking that night. I really wish this case would be solved.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 8:33, I wish you could have seen how fair this little girl was--hair so blond it was almost white w skin as white as it gets. The man was black as night. You can't get blue eyes unless one of the black guys parents had blue eyes and he was black as night. The weird part was he was very disarming/charming--it was like he sat down and started talking to me to take away any suspicions I might have. He made no mention of the girl's mother being white or anything that might even attempt to explain how she could look so different than him. I live like 150 miles from the Cape in MA and he said he had her for her for a visit frim her Mom who lives on the Cape but made no mention of where he lived--why did he have her at the park in my town? He told me where her Mom lived but never said where he lived or what he did for work. He was talking my ear off for almost an hour
but never said where he lived. He had a strong English accent like it sounded well-to-do.
Over the years I have brought up this run in with this man a few times with my family and always say I wish I had gone to the police station earlier in the day, because something was not right and I have always wondered if she was a kidnapped child. She was prob around 2 yrs old--I remember she was younger than my son.

Anonymous said...

I only saw him that one time and I used to bring my son almost every day to this park. I was on foot--I would walk about 3/4 of a mile--that is one of tge reasons I didnt go right to the police station bc I had to walk us home, get my son fed, etc.

elf said...

A gypsy (Roma) is an ethnicity. Not all of them roam or steal just like not all caucasion males cross dress.

Anonymous said...

Anon- Do you really think the lady at the police station- the one who laughed and shut the window on you- would have taken you more seriously if you had gotten there a few hours earlier?

So, very dark, like night time dark? Friendly, talkative and educated? Scarily charming? And like, African American and educated? I just don't get it- could he have been a cyborg?

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 9:32, What dont you get? I was trying to describe him. The girl was NOT his biological daughter! He was black as night, from England, well-educated. This is a description of him. The girl was not his bio daughter! The lady at the police station should have taken me seriously. Something was very off about the guy and his story!

Anonymous said...

Seriously what is hard to grasp? Very dark black people do not have children whose skin is extremely white w blond hair and blue eyes!!!! Why do you think they gave this girl the gypsys had a DNA test? BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THEM!!!!

Anonymous said...

Mother's intuition--she didnt even relate to him as if he was her father.

Anonymous said...

" a very dark black man... the younger boy is blonde with blue eyes and white as he can be...when they split he made her do paternity test on the younger one and he was 99.99999 his child"

If only we could get a written "denial" of adultery from the man's ex, we could analyze it and settle it once and for all :/

Anonymous said...

Very black men can adopt children you know. I am a Romanichal gypsy. I am a married mom of 4, I home school my youngest, and I don't attend fairs, carnivals, etc... Many in my extended family are still travelers and live a more nomadic lifestyle, but generally the men travel and the women stay home. I agree with the poster that said you can't stereotypes an entire ethnic group based on the trash that exists in it. I am praying they find out who this little girl belongs to and I pray she is being taken care of by good people while it is being investigated.

Anonymous said...

Omg are you people serious? Gypsy is an ethnic group. Stereotype much?

Anonymous said...

Anon & 12:21, For real? After I repeat over and over again how the very black man was saying the extremely fair little girl was his BIOLOGICAL daughter, you say that black men can ADOPT white children. Do you understand the difference between a BIO child and an ADOPTED child?!?!
Maybe if police actually paid attention when someone reports an adult is claiming a child is theirs when the child looks NOTHING LIKE THEM as well as stating that NOONE believes the child is their child, maybe kidnapped kids would be rescued more frequently. The black guy I ran into with his fake bio child was from England. Who knows if he brought the child to Europe???

Anonymous said...

Somewhere it was mentioned that Lisa Irwin has a birthmark on her right outer thigh. Does Maria have the same birthmark?

Anonymous said...

Deborah Bradley is such an idiot. She says that when someone takes an infant (or toddler?) they do not take them to hurt them. Is she crazy or WHAT! Good heavens!! Most of these missing babies, toddler and children that aren't taken by a spouse or other relative, are taken for child porn purposes!!

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 3:53 p.m. yesterday; what does it take to convince you of the father's guilt in the Celis case? The child had written on the wall inside her closet, in her own handwriting, "my dad is a bad man".

Even if there were no SA red flags pointing to his guilt, this father abused his little girl. If you can't believe THAT, what can you believe. What more do you need, sweetie?

Anonymous said...

Don't forget about the set of twins where one is black and the other is white. It can happen.

These babies were not born like a liter of kittens where the mother has dallied with more than one tom cat. Women can only give birth as the result of ONE conception, not multiple partners where one is black and one is white or of different ethnicity.

These twins were produced from the same sperm; one, as black as the ace of spades and the other one lily white with no negroid features. Go figure.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 10:13--right and that is a one in a billion occurence, not reassuring at all. It is sad the lady, who was not even a cop, put down my instincts (nevermind common) sense that something was very wrong when I drove down to the station to report what Id seen. The police also laughed at a woman who had called to report suspicious activity in Ariel Castro's yard and the chance for those 3 girls to be rescued was missed.

Anonymous said...

And what is funny is it is not like the police in my town are busy. The police log is full of things like "wandering dog", caller reports hang-up phone call, caller reports squirrel knocked over their bird feeder. I think maybe I will contact them again about what I saw now that they are saying ANOTHER blond/blue-eyed girl taken from gypsies in Ireland. Who knows if there are others? Probably!

jinxie clark said...

Can we forget about the black man at the park with a blonde child???? if you are that concerned about it, then keep telling authorities UNTIL SOMEONE LISTENS TO YOU. This is about what liars drunk deb and no-nuts jeremy are. They know damn well that this little girl is NOT Lisa, but they will ride the blood money train as long as they can.... collect as much cash for national programs as they can, because they are bottom feeders of society. Anyone who believes this child could be Lisa, clearly has NOT followed this case for the past 2 years. drunk deb has only done national media because they PAY MONEY. she slams the door in the face of local media and refuses to cooperate with KCPD. The fact that she is capitalizing on killing her baby enrages me. if it doesn't enrage you, then i don't know what to say. drunk deb is just like casey anthony. she allows her daughter's image to expire every year around this time, so that any media that wants to do a story on Lisa has to pay for licensing rights. Yet they tell people "why don't you do something and hand out a flyer". WTF?? hand out a flyer to 1 person, to reach 1 person when you have allowed your daughter's picture to expire off the internet for millions to see??? you want paid for people to see your daughter????? every person with a heart, that is sick and tired of these POS parents killing their children and disposing of them in a way they may never be found, only to make tons of money off of killing them should get this whole country in an uproar. this needs to stop or parents will keep killing their kids, throwing them in rivers or God knows what else to make sure they are never recovered. we can do something to help these children

Anonymous said...

There should be a law that stops people from making any money off missing children. Whether they are believed dead or not. If a family wants to team up with a well established charity that can help, then people can donate to the charity. Parents of missing kids should not see a dime of it!

Anonymous said...

jinxie, I think most anyone can tell Deborah Bradley is full of sh*t. I don't think she's fooling anyone. People get a gut feeling for when someone is not sincere, at least I do. It is maddening that she is even claiming that the girl found with the gypsies could be Lisa even in the face of facts that the gypsy girl is 5 or 6 and baby Lisa would just be turning 3. Obviously noone is buying into her claims even the FBI said right off the bat that there was "not enough resemblance between the 2". There are always going to be messed up people like Deborah Bradley and the bad combination is when they get a total wimp for a husband who never calls them out on their B.S. It's up to the cops to solve this one. Just like baby Ayla. I hate to say it but these cases require better investigatory skills in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

Anyone with two bits for brains, knows the parents stopped cooperating with the investigation early on. Mom was drunker than a skunk. After cadaver dog hit on a spot by the bed, they lawyered up. Hubby looked scared but sided with wifey. Now they claim a child older than Lisa would be is theirs?

Anonymous said...

I also don't get why they can't just silence Deborah by overnighting a DNA sample. How hard is that? This is what I mean by investigatory skills. Take a DNA sample from Deborah. Overnight it to Europe. There's your answer. This shouldn't have taken more than 24 hours in this day and age.

Anonymous said...

As farfetched as this might seem, is there ANY chance the girl found w gypsies in Greece could be baby Ayla???

Anonymous said...

I thought we established Baby Ayla is no longer alive.

Anonymous said...

As much as I respect statement analysis and have my own theories about who the main players were, Phoebe's recent press release, in my opinion, has some possible linguistic indicators Ayla may have been sold.
1) Phoebe's insistence that Ayla's eyes should be a "focal" point for the search had me wonder is it possible they dyed her hair?
2) Phoebe's cryptic statement to Trista "Then believe she is alive and tell us what you did with her!"
My brain says: 98% chance this statement is 100% cruelty based in its formulation. The other 2 % wonders is this an embedded statement with the "she is alive"? In other words, did they sell her?
And I admit, I don't have much brain to work with, but what little there is of it, that's the 98% to 2% split.

Anonymous said...

You have 2% left? Then use it to realize that too much of Aylas' blood was lost in that house on
Violent Ave for her to have survived the blood loss, before she was reported missing by Justin.

Uunderstand now?

Anonymous said...

Wow, you're really disrespectful. I guess you're the thought police people should check in with first! Actually I'll think and say what I want. You don't like it? Try telling me respectfully and maybe I'll listen.
Start with: Did the Maine police say that? That there is no possible way Ayla could have survived the blood loss found at Violette Ave? And cite the source, I'd like to read it.

Anonymous said...

"Anon @ 3:53 p.m. yesterday; what does it take to convince you of the father's guilt in the Celis case? The child had written on the wall inside her closet, in her own handwriting, "my dad is a bad man".

Even if there were no SA red flags pointing to his guilt, this father abused his little girl. If you can't believe THAT, what can you believe. What more do you need, sweetie? "

I need evidence "Sweetie"- That's right, I am not convinced that there was even a note in the closet. News sources reporting anything substantive on the message in the closet are sparse and mostly come from a Nancy Grace comment. Police do not confirm or deny- but Grace can't even say where she got the info. Google the specific message you quoted and the news hits are one: Grace and two blog comments here and scared monkeys.

Maybe, Sugar plum, there was a message, but it has not been *proven* to me. Unsourced, unsubstantiated gossip is not evidence.

Buckley

Anonymous said...

Buckley, you mean you're not going to let this rabid commentor command you into submission?! You would dare think for yourself, have a tendency to want evidence, explore ambiguity? How dare you sweetie!!!!

Anonymous said...

I wouldn't say "rabid"; I admit I'm more conservative in drawing conclusions. There's a big maybe in between yes or no.

Is Celis still not allowed with his sons? Is the couple still together? Where is that hinky cousin/uncle?

Buckley

Anonymous said...

Sorry I guess I was upset about the commenter (assumed maybe it was the same one) who was being disrespectful to me for sharing that I thought there was a 2% chance Ayla might have been sold. It seemed unfair and would have made more sense if I had been stating that I 100% believed is alive. I have that case very closely and care about it a lot, so just didnt appreciate the condescension. I feel it is possible to adhere to SA while also allowing for some small exploration of other possibilities.
I'm not sure with the Celis case, I think he is now allowed around his sons and I think the couple is still together. I don't know what happened w the weird uncle. The Celis case is a strange one. I was reminded of it when reading about the kidnapping of
the Lindburgh baby recently. One of the bits of evidence used to convict that kidnapper was that they found the name and phone number of the guy who was supposed to be meeting with the kidnappers to arrange to pay them their ransom written inside his closet. I couldnt help but think of the message allegedly written is Isabel's
closet. I feel it is unlikely Isabel wrote that message. I could see if she wrote something like "I hate Dad" but "My Dad is a bad man" sounds dubious to me because it is written in a way like she would hope someone else would read it which doesnt make much sense. It just sounds off to me (even though I do lean strongly towards Sergio being guilty.)

Anonymous said...

Should say I have followed that case closely (in post above).

Anonymous said...

The blonde children that were removed from the Roma families in Ireland have been returned after DNA tests confirmed they were the biological children of those parents.

Deborah is disgusting and how convenient for her that she had something to point to and pretend she is still looking for Lisa.

my guess said...

They people she was found with are the 1's who raise the children after their stolen. If they sale her for marriage at age 12 (they cash in big) They have 10+ other children to also cash in for $$$. With the pay offs & selling drugs, they can afford to keep up the kidnappings, not paying a dime to feed the thanks to welfare, splitting the profits with all involved in the operation process (no telling how many children they have sold before)

Anonymous said...

Some of you keep referring to Jeremy Irwin as Deborah Bradleys' husband. They were not married at the time baby Lisa disappeared and likely still aren't since we've heard nothing about any wedding between them.

Deborah is married to someone in the military who is the father of her other son that lives with she and Jeremy, whom I believe, she gets an allotment check from as well as other gov't benefits.

Then she had Lisa, whom she would also get free state assistance for since she would be considered a single mother; while Jeremy had a good paying job as an electrician. How sweet it is; this con could very well afford to get drunk whenever the mood hit.

Jeremy has a son by his former wife, and custody, who likely pays him support, who also lives in the home with them.

Deborahs' character speaks loudly of her; she and Jeremy are nothing more than a shack up job, each with a step son who isn't legally their step-son, not even legally step-brothers.

They are considered common-law, which likely isn't legal either since Deborah never divorced her husband in the military. What Deborah really is, is a cheating wife who is shacked up with another man and living handsomely off others.

Pak31 said...

Are all the Anonymous posters the same person??? I am very confused as to whether these are two people conversing or several. If you type in your comment you can click on the Name/URL circle and put in a name, you don't need a URL. It would really make it easier to understand the comments. I just go to the name circle, highlight it and type in Pak31. Anyway, I think it's great to think outside the box with these kidnapped children but the chance that Maria was Maddie or Lisa is just too far-fetched. Ayla too, she lost a lot of blood. In the basement, her dad's car, on his clothing. She would have needed medical attention for that. I truly believe she's no longer with us. As for Lisa. Mom either accidentally slept on her then panicked and had someone get rid of her or who knows what but I do believe both she and Jeremy know what happened. Didn't cadaver dogs make a hit??

Anonymous said...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/25/21140677-maria-mystery-solved-dna-tests-confirm-bulgarian-roma-woman-is-her-mother?lite&GT1=43001

Nonniemouse said...

It IS possible for a woman to have "twins" from two men. Obviously, the intercourse resulting in two separate conceptions, would be close together, time-wise, and they are not even fraternal twins, technically. Rare, but it can happen, if sperm from the second man happens to fertilize an egg that is still present. Obviously, these "twins" could look very different from each other.

Anonymous said...

WOW! Is that a fact!!

And the 'twins' would have different DNA?

Rachael said...

I am surprised at how many commenters believe that Lisa's mother was actually drunk.

The video of her buying wine provided her with the scapegoat she so desperately needed.

Read her statements about it. She wasn't drunk.

Buckley said...

There was deception and sensitivity in her statements about being drunk. She did not answer the question "Were you drunk?" Directly. It warrants further investigation. To definitively conclude she wasn't drunk is a misuse of statement analysis.

Anonymous said...

Peter i hope you will take note of this fact about Picerno and the polygraph.

Picerno was heard on a local KC radio show to say that it never took place. I heard him say this with my own ears and it is documented by the radio station as well. Disturbing is that the host did not call him out on the spot.
http://s3.excoboard.com/findinglisairwin/95521/980144

Anonymous said...

We have the mcanns and maddie in england. Parents too know what happened to her and make millions off the back of the poor child,all pays for their legal fees. Evil