Thursday, October 3, 2013

Baby Ayla: Failure to Arrest

No arrests to date
Given the revelation of Baby Ayla's mother to the public, it is difficult to grasp why no arrests have been effected in this case.

Speculative comments by the public have not brought reasonable possibilities to light.  It would appear that no one seems to know why no arrests have been effected.

Another question that remains unanswered, though speculation may yield some results, is why Maine State Police offered to show the Tudela family the blood evidence.

Do they believe Derek Tudela had some involvement?
Do they believe that the Tudelas would have had influence upon the DiPietros in getting them to confess to, perhaps, 'accidental' or 'unintentional' death?

It also raises another question:

Why would the Tudela family turn down the offer?  Have they not come out and publicly express concern for the child?

Yet they also have come out in personal attacks against Ayla's mother, Trista Reynolds, a person they do not know.



Why would the family who sold Justin DiPietro the life insurance bundle, which included a $25,000 bet against a healthy toddler, not want to help police, if this is what police were, in fact, doing?

But what of Elisha DiPietro?

There is a major DHHS issue involved here that needs to be addressed.

A.  A child met foul play on a night in which Elisha DiPietro and her child were present.
B.  Police publicly stated that Elisha DiPietro was withholding information about what happened to said child on that night.

Question:  How is it that Elisha DiPietro does not pose Jeopardy to her own child?

It is commonly understood in DHHS that if an adult poses a risk to one child, the adult poses a risk to another child.  If an adult can harden her heart towards one, the adult can harden her heart towards another.  If an adult can be negligent in failing to protect one child, she is a threat (legal, Jeopardy) to another.

How was she able to keep custody of her child?

Where was the baby's father?

Why didn't the baby's father (or his family) rush to court, newspaper in hand of the police quote, and allow a judge to give a temporary order of custody?

DHHS knows well that when someone is seen as being indifferent to the care of a child, this person is not to be trusted with a child.

Where are the parenting classes or mandatory counseling?

For those of you interested in justice for Ayla, yes, it is true that these actions would have likely impacted Elisha DiPietro in a profound way, which would have given at least the possibility of coercing her into giving police the information they needed to give Ayla a proper burial.

The same principles can be applied to Courtney Roberts.

Had an appropriate adult gone to court in Maine and told a judge:

The mother was at the home with her child at the time Ayla met foul play and has not been forthcoming to police, there is not a judge in the State that would have taken this lightly.

Another blaring question remains unanswered:

Could Elisha DiPietro and/or Courtney Roberts have been charged with any crimes such as child endangerment, obstruction, or anything along these lines that could have led to the giving of information on Ayla?

Instead, police strategy was, according to the maternal family, offer to show friends of the paternal family crime scene photos of Ayla's blood strewn all over.

What were they thinking?

We don't know the answer to this, but we do know that:

*An insurance policy was taken out against a healthy toddler that would yield a large sum of money in the event of the child's death;
*Weeks later, she was reported missing with a false story, and indications that her blood was spilled in the home...everywhere from the father's shoes right out to the vehicle, and it appears:

The Tudelas do not care less about it, and police strategy has not led to arrests, now forcing the hand of the desperate maternal family to take their case to the public.

No matter what the motive was, an underlining motive of money was present in this case.

For those unfamiliar with the Maine welfare system, having babies means having money.  There are more ways to gain money without work than imaginable; creative ways that would stun the public.  Those who game the system are aided by State workers due to job security issues.  From cash benefits to reduced rent to free internet and on it goes.  Elisha DiPietro and Courtney Roberts would have faced a loss of money in the event they lost custody of their children.

They might have talked.  Instead, police offered to show the Tudelas the blood evidence?

Justin DiPietro faced a financial bonanza in the event of a healthy toddler's death, and if it was not the initial motive, it certainly gave traction to his raging temper and hatred of Trista Reynolds, and resentment of having to pay child support for the next 16 years if he were not to gain custody.

We will likely hear of an unintended death, but given the escalation of abuse that Ayla suffered, and the life insurance policy taken out against her, there was nothing unintended about her death.

Let's hope prosecutors show some courage, and stop with "our 25 years experience" rhetoric of inactivity and deal making.

Yes, they have one shot, but why not take it?

We still have the shadow of the Boulder Grand Jury's indictment of John and Patsy Ramsey in the child abuse death of their daughter, Jonbenet, which was left unsigned by the cowardly prosecutor, Alex Hunter and his "many years experience" in the office.

A coward is no better for having been a coward for decades.


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GetThem said...

Is is possible part of the tactic of LE was to allow Trista to go public on a fishing expedition to see what came up with the Dipietro's?

It did immediately yield a letter from mommy dearest, encouraged I'll assume, by Justin.

If not, let's hope the petition forces the prosecutor to go to Trial.

rob said...

Why not ask Trista and family- we have one chance, do you want us to take it? You know if we try and fail, that's it.

Then they are off the hook. If Ayla was my child, I'd go for it. But then, I would have went for it on day one. The three should have been arrested!

Anonymous said...

http://aylatheories.wordpress.com/tag/elisha-dipietro/

Peter Hyatt said...

Rob,

The family knows and wants the chance for justice.

Peter

Peter Hyatt said...

Get Them,

That's something that Hollywood perpetrated many years ago: that each blunder by L/E is a brilliant tactic, specifically planned for failure, in order to yield a greater result.

The FBI lived on this reputation for decades, but it is gone with the wind in our day.

Peter

Anonymous said...

Peter,
What would you do if you was Trista? How can we force the AG to do his job?

Anonymous said...


Heidi Tudela said DiPietro was always trustworthy.


“He was always honest with me. He was who he was, and he didn’t pretend to be somebody else. I’ve always told him, ever since he was little, I respected that,” she said.


Continuing their support for DiPietro has made them the target of criticism, but they won’t back down unless police can prove he was involved in any wrongdoing, she said. 


“There’s nothing that says he has done something. It’s as simple as that,” she said. “And, if he were to be proven guilty of something, I would still be OK with (having supported him), because it was still the right thing to do. Do I believe he is guilty? Absolutely not. But, I still would’ve been OK with what I did, because it’s still the right way to go about it. You don’t convict somebody without evidence.”


if he were to be proven guilty of something, I would still be OK with (having supported him), because it was still the right thing to do. imo, justin has told her some bs story and she believes it

Skeptical said...

Given Justin DiPietro's drug dealing background, I think there is the distinct possibility of police corruption.

Masquerade said...

Well apparently, Courtney slept in that bed, with her son, while Ayla's blood was shed, on the bed itself (the sheet and mattress), as well as all around her and her son. How is that possible?

Sus said...

Adding to the question of why does Courtney Roberts still have custody of her son...1000+ oxys, cocaine, and pot found in her Portland home. DEA said they acted on a tip from neighbors saying they noticed lots of visitors.

Anonymous said...

Here is another son of Heidi

http://www.waterville-me.gov/departments/police/content/1501/student-intern-program-2011.php

Apple said...

Civil suit.

Mainah said...

You ask great question, Peter. I'd of thought you'd be able to provide some of the answers given your experience(s) at DHHS but you sound as perplexed as we all do. Gabby is at grave risk, as is Ayden with Courtney, where she exposed him to the Oxy and cocaine trafficking trade. In a perfect world no DHHS worker could ignore it and no judge could dismiss it.

It boggles my mind, as I'm sure others, that DHHS has not removed Gabby from 29 Violette Ave and Ayden from 36 Pine St. and their mother's unsupervised custody. Yet Trista was given the choice: rehab or loose Ayla, for a late-night drunken argument with her sister, where LE did not charge anyone.

What part of: failure to protect and lying to cops about a homicide investigation of a 17 month old baby with two other babies present, do they not comprehend?

On the LIP, can I assume that it would be unethical for State Farm to offer larger discounts for larger LIP policy payouts? Could I save the same amount on my auto policy by purchasing a $5k as a 25k policy?

PS: Peter, my impression, admiration and respect, of the content of your character, (and that of your father's character), has doubled since reading your Baby Ayla, Part III. My mind rested on the image of (real) men, compassionate enough to want to give a final act of dignity to a dying baby and strong enough to not respond to her killer with another act of violence (sacrificing strength). It brings me to tears, first for grief and mourning the loss of the innocent lamb, second for hope that there are still men being raised this way. It reminded me of my father, my husband and my son and how I naively took it for granted for so long that nearly all men were of the same caliber. I'm sad it's not so, but grateful none the less to get a glimpse of it outside of my own family. Many thanks.

ima.grandma said...

Mainah, now you understand why we long term readers are protective of Peter and his blog. We already knew what you have just discovered. I appreciate your honesty.

Emerald Viridis said...

Peter, Check you FB messages. I sent you a good copy of the diagram you have posted.
Emerald

Anonymous said...

LE should do new interviews with the family until they can say the 3 are not witholding information anymore. That is just not right, they state this on their website, and cannot do anything against that.

IMO LE knows what happened to Ayla.
It is interesting they have enough evidence to conclude her death, but that very same evidence is not enough for arrests. Most likely they couldn't prove who has done what.

The blood on the carseat, vomit in the car indicates she might have suffered the (head/abdominal ?) injuries somewhere else, was put in the carseat and was taken home. Her condition got worse and worse in the basement during the night. IMO they saw she needed help but she was not taken to the hospital.

(Or she suffered the injuries in the basement and was taken out of that house alive, put in the carseat before her death.)

Shelley said...

Yesterday on the news they showed Trista hounding Justin while he was leaving court for his other charges.

What struck me was how she hounds him and he just walks away.

I know if it was me, and I had done nothing to cause my childs disappearance, I would be yelling back that I DIDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH OUR BABYS DISSAPERANCE! I would be yelling it non stop if I was under suspicion and not involved. I would not just avoid the other person. Especially with news cameras on me. That to me said alot about him. Not that I have ever thought he was innocent. But that just made it that much more clear.

Also, On Dr Drew they had Janine Driver (shes a human lie detector who I actually think is pretty spot on and who references statement analysis) on as well. She also felt that Justin’s demeanor was revealing. She also said that there was a slight smile as Trista was hounding him and to her it was as if he was thinking that he had gotten away with it as long as it has been.

Janine Driver has been on the same page as SA in every case that I have seen her speak of so far. Where the blog "eyes for lies" (who thinks that the McCann parents and Mark Redwine are being TRUTHFUL) is not so good at this "lie detection" yet puts herself in that category of only one 50 people out of 15k that can do this human lie detection. Her, along with Silvia Brown
(who claims like a 85% accuracy rate - yet not one case I have found was she proven to be accurate) claims a high 95% accuracy. Yet uses cases that really prove nothing.
2 that she used as proof she was in fact able to detect deception were:

Drew Peterson – He may have been convicted but he has denied his guilt or part in the murder or disappearance of his former wives.
Amanda Knox – She was found guilty then acquitted. The truth is still not known. Many believe she was guilty, many believe she is innocent.


She also has hundreds and hundreds of cases on her blog, yet only used 38 cases (with just 2 she was wrong about) to determine her accuracy %. That to me is pretty much proof that she is not living up to her claims.

I get that most the cases can not be proven one way or another. But I also think she used cases to prove her right when there is not really truth for sure known. Where this may be an issue with SA as well, since so many cases are never resolved and often murderers take their knowledge to their grave… But I do think that there are enough (like the athletes that later admitted they used drugs so we know for a fact the truth) to see where this can be applied and trusted since there is behavior that is repeated.

With her however, its like shes basing this on her gut in many cases. I actually questioned her about the Mccann family. Since we know they have refused to answer questions and things they stated where later shown to be untrue. Her only response was “its just my gut”. Well, that does not work for me. Like with Mark Redwine. Really? He is truthful to her? Yet in that same case, she says the mother is the one she feels is lying. So, human lie detector, no.

Shelley said...

So Andrea Zimmerman...

She was arrested and charged with lying about her relationship with Neuman in her husband murder case.

So, why is it that Phoebe can lie and say she was there when Ayla went missing, later admit that was not the truth and is walking free.

This is clearly an issue.

LE needs to explain this.

I get each state is different but this is the same thing. She lied about a missing child case.

There is no reason on earth to lie and say you were not there if your grandaughter was really just kidnapped.

S + K Mum said...

Is there a reward offered for information in Ayla's case?

ME said...

Looking at the baby ayla's smiling innocent beautifull little face reduces this 6ft 2 man to tears.well done Peter for your relentless Drive for justice.

Jen said...

I Agree!

Mainah said...

S + K, The reward was 30k but has since been withdrawn. As far as I know there is no reward being offered now.

Re: police corruption -No way- 1) too many different agencies involved and 2) the people caught, Brianna Roberts and Christopher (I can't recall, Brishetto? maybe) are both in Federal prison, serving long sentences. I'm more apt to be persuaded of incompetence then corruption where LE and DHHS are concerned.

Anonymous said...

Did law enforcement or a legal source verify that the Tudela's declined to look at evidence or is this a claim from the DiPietro/Tudela's or Krista's side? Before we use that as a marker of behavior, let's measure the veracity, much as we need to continue to do and keep in mind about the life insurance argument. Peter, you are talking out both sides of your mouth on that point and I do not mean disrespect in saying that. You are straddling lines and saying things without having to say anything at all, making an argument both for and against it all in one breath.

SALurkerOne said...

Thank you Peter. Ayla needs you.

Please keep it up.

One day beautiful children will have justice.

We all just need to keep fighting for it.

TheTimeIsRight said...

Peter, You hit all the right notes! Further more, I believe the Tudela's do not want to see the evidence. ( out of sight, out of mind) The DA office of Maine should have a talk with Detroit's DA ( Kim Worthy), she was able to get a conviction with without body. Andre Lane was convicted of killing and disposal of his daughter's remains. IMO, there is no way in hell Justin would be acquitted with the evidence the state has. A hung jury, maybe, however the state can always try his ass again! The state has to have confidence they can win this case. I believe they can! I say, charge all three. They will be tripping over each other trying to be the first to make a deal. I believe Justin when he say, " When the time is right, the truth will come out". How much clear can one be? Basically, he is saying, When I am indicted, I will throw everyone's ass under the bus except a particular person. Remember, he spoke about immunity. For whow, no one knows. If I was a betting person, my money would be on Courtney. He clearly do not give a damn about his mother, sister and his sister possibly loosing custody of her child. Justin loyalty lies with Justin and Courtney Roberts and damn everyone else. Once the smoke clears and the dust settles, there is going to be hell to pay for: Phoebe, Elisha, Derek and Heidi. He is going to sing like a contestant on American Idol. If any of the above named let him use you and throw you away, then you have no one to blame except your selves. But hey, Good Luck to ya. You are going to need it!

Hobnob said...

“He was always honest with me. He was who he was, and he didn’t pretend to be somebody else. I’ve always told him, ever since he was little, I respected that,” she said.


o0o0o All those past tenses :)

“He was always honest with me.
Is he no longer honest with you?
Why is he now dishonest with you?
What has changed?

He was who he was, and he didn’t pretend to be somebody else.
Is he no longer who he was?
Is he now who he is, a junkie, an abuser, a liar, a cheat?
Who was he that he isn't any more?
Does he now pretend to be somebody else?
Who or what what does he pretend to be?
Does he pretend to be a caring loving father perhaps?

I’ve always told him, ever since he was little, I respected that,” she said.
Told him what?
Respected what?
For there to be a that,there has to be a this.
You respected that, you didn't respect this?
If you respected his honesty and him being who he was do you no longer respect that?
Why use a distancing word THAT in relation to honesty and not pretending to be someone else rather than the expected this?
Do you now respect his dishonesty and his ability to pretend to be somebody else?

Given his daughter was allegedly abducted, given forensic evidence indicates blood and body fluids all over the house, injuries to her everytime he had her in his custody, the failed polygraphs by the adults in the house, the LIP bought in case his daughter died before him sold by a relative of yours, the domestic violence, the abuse, the threats, the drugs etc.

Why do you respect this man?

Is it because he has stayed mostly silent except when provoked by Trista and his staying silent protects your family perhaps due to involvement in some way?

Maggie said...

Peter, great article--thank you for bringing up this very important question of why cops want to show the Tudela's the blood evidence.
Just a suggestion--I think it would prob be a good idea for people to analyze all of Derek Tudela's statements. Heidi Tudela's statements do not seem to yield much. Derek's are very troubling imo.

Anonymous said...

I am so sad that evilness has won in this case. No arrest, even if Ayla's body by a miracle is found, what DNA would be available after exposure? LE is not helping Ayla's Family get justice. Mountains of evidence but not a conviction. So sad. At this point, the only revenge Trista has is a Civil Lawsuit against a few people.

Maggie said...

Regarding Heidi's statements, I just meant I dont believe they reveal involvement (just to clarify).

Maggie said...

Peter, you asked in the article if if we feel Derek had any involvement.
Below I have copied what I posted at the end of the other thread.
It is just my idea of what MAY have happened.

Anon @ 12:02--Yes, I could be making to much out of Derek selling him the LE.
But, what really caught my attention was Derek words he wrote on facebook right after Ayla went missing. Not only were his words about Trista the most vicious public statements said by anyone out of this cast of character, he also asks, chillingly, "Is she (Trista) really crazy enough to believe that filing for full custody was a good idea?"
Ayla "disappeared" immediately after Trista filed for custody.
Derek was over at Violette Ave the day before the night Ayla went "missing" with supposedly just the 2 of them there. However, do we know for a fact Derek was not there alone with Ayla for any period of time?
What if Derek said to Justin "dont worry Trista won't get Ayla, she is not "responsible". What if he told Justin "I know a responsible family who will take her in". What if Justin was motivated to have Derek "disappear" her for other reasons, like we keep reading about blood and saliva being found--what if Justin had knocked Ayla's tooth out and the evidence of his abuse was piling up and also this would explain why he did not want Trista to see her and also would explain why she was not brought to the doctor arm appointment they missed. What if she were missing a tooth/teeth? What if Derek said he knew of some other family who would take Ayla like up in Canada or something and told Justin to leave the house so that Ayla would leave with him with less of a fight/less crying? So, what if when Justin leaves he actually ends up killing her?? And then he disposes of her. It would explain him "hiding" a bloody sheet just well enough so that the family would not immediately find it
but shrugging off whether cops found it bc it is in Justin's house.
What if Justin and Derek's plan all along was to just report her missing the next morning and he calls Derek just to let him know he is about to make the call. Maybe if he was simply nervous about doing it and needed Derek to give him some encouragement.
Derek had also written on facebook "I'm not going to BEAT around the bush--it was just a one night stand (between Trista and Justin).

Hobnob said...

off topic

SHEPHERDSVILLE, Ky. – A Kentucky man has been charged with kidnapping and killing his niece who vanished from her driveway, the latest twist in a mystery that has lingered 14 years.

Stanley Dishon, 55, was charged Wednesday with murder and kidnapping in the death of 17-year-old Jessica Dishon, who was last seen alive on Sept. 10, 1999, in her driveway in Bullitt County, about 20 miles south of Louisville. The indictment is the second in the case. The trial of a neighbor of the Dishon's, David "Bucky" Brooks, ended in 2003 with a mistrial.

Bullitt County Sheriff Dave Greenwell said a series of tips over the last five to six months and a reinvestigation of all of the evidence in the case led to the indictment of Dishon.

"It's a major relief for me to see something from that long ago move toward a resolution," said Greenwell, who dropped his head into his hands and cried for a moment. "For years, you felt like you never did enough."

After Jessica Dishon disappeared, authorities mounted a massive search for her. Her beaten and strangled body turned up 17 days later in a wooded area seven miles from her home. Since then, the unresolved case has hung over the county of 74,319 in the Knobs area of Kentucky.

Periodically, law enforcement officials would talk of new leads and possible breakthroughs. Other than the trial of Brooks, however, the case lingered as an unsolved mystery.

Greenwell wouldn't discuss the evidence against Stanley Dishon or give specifics of what led to him. Greenwell also wouldn't say if Dishon was cooperating with investigators.

"We haven't talked with him recently," Greenwell said.

Dishon most recently served eight years and eight months in state prison after being convicted of sodomy in 2005. He was due to be released from prison on Sept. 6, but was rearrested on an indictment charging him with sexually abusing a girl who was less than 12-years-old in 1982.

Dishon has pleaded not guilty in that case and asked for a public defender. As of Wednesday afternoon, no defense attorney was listed in the court file.

Stanley Dishon has a criminal history of being charged with sex acts with young girls. Along with the sodomy conviction, a Bullitt County grand jury charged him in August with sexual abuse of a girl younger than 12-years-old in 1982.

Greenwell, who was the first investigator on the scene when Jessica Dishon disappeared, cleared Brooks of any connection to her death.

"As far as I'm concerned, we indicted the wrong person," Greenwell said. "I don't look at Brooks as a suspect in any way."

John Spainhour Jr., a Shepherdsville attorney who represents Brooks, said the indictment comes as a relief to his client. Spainhour said he turned over his old defense files to the sheriff's office to assist with the investigation, but was unaware of who they were focusing on.

Spainhour said the indictment gives Brooks "some vindication," but a conviction would clear his name.

"I have a certain degree of satisfaction that justice for Ms. Dishon will finally be meted out," Spainhour said. "Mr. Brooks' only poor fate in life was to be a neighbor in the wrong place at the wrong time."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/03/uncle-charged-in-kentucky-girl-1-disappearance/

Hobnob said...

Once a crime is committed regardless of what it is , it cannot be undone.

A murderer cannot unmurder their victim, a rapist cannot unrape their victim, an abuser cannot unabuse their victim.

Crime leaves its mark both on the victim and the criminal as well as the family and friends of both even down the generations, particularly in heinous crimes such as murder, rape and abuse both ophysical, emotional and sexual.

We all want crimes to be solved immediately, just like we see on tv in drama shows and in the movies. Even in true life crime shows we have crime to verdict in an hour thus we expect the same in real life.

Sadly real life isn't like that, we are only human with all our imperfections.
Mistakes get made, evidence is lost or corrupted, statements get misunderstood, we feel threated by high powered attornies, money, we fear race, gender and sexual orientation cards when played by a criminal desperate to avoid justice.
We may know the culprit and their crime, we can see the obvious and wonder why no one else seems to.
We forget that the law of the land has to be followed especially in emotive cases.
We forget even that everything could be spot on the verdict seems a formality and then the jury does what is to us unthinkable and inbelievable and the culprit walks free.
In some countries, and i expect more countries will follow as scientific advances gather pace, double jeopardy has been abolished and the culprit can be retried if their is new and compelling evidence such as a body, a confession etc.
Where there is still double jeopardy, LE and the justice system have only one bite of the apple.
They have to decide do they go ahead with what they have which could be solely circumstantial and hope they get the right verdict knowing if they don't the culprit can stand in court and say yep i did it, yahboosux to be you as they walk free., do they go for minimal charges and hoe to get further evidence from the culprit/witnesses etc whilst they are in jail or do they wait and go for the jackpot and hope they have a smart jury who understands the evidence. In cases where there are multiple crimes if they charge some things will it impact on others perhaps stopping those charges arising or plea dealing admit this if you drop that.

Murder cases are never closed, often cases are never closed regardless of the crime and are often rexamined as science progresses, evidence is found, witnesses speak, victims come forward or even a confession.

More and more we are hearing of cases often long forgotten, the criminal thinking they have escaped justice, being reopened and charges brought, the culprit eventually getting the sentence they deserve.

When a criminal confides in another to ease their guilt their crime is no longer a secret nor is their involvement, there then becomes the risk of their confidante going to the police. Friendships change over time so do relationships including those of close family, if you confide in someone can you ever trust them not to go to LE at some point?

NO

We need to be patient even whilst we shout for justice.
We need LE to do their job whilst keeping the case in the public eye.
We don't always know what is going on behind the scenes, a phrase i use often when working with members. I explain you only see certain things we do, you don't see what goes on in ims and emails, actions we take on accounts often resulting in said offending member getting a new name (they pay the stupid tax) Although it is tempting, don't assume nothing is being done, sometimes slowly slowly catchee monkey works. I saw this with the Kiesha Abrahams case, an australian girl allegedly abducted from her bed. I listened and watched and knew her mom and step dad were involved so did LE. They waited and watched and were rewarded when Kiesha's killers went to her burial site with flowers to wish her a happy birthday. They were arrested at the site and are now in jail.

Anonymous said...

One of Derek's most chilling comments:
derek 5/2/12 4:15 PM

Agreed Selena,
Doesn’t matter that Ayla was “kidnapped.” In the eyes of the blind, Justin is still a blood thirsty murderer… ;)

Anonymous said...

IMO, It's not justice if it takes 20 yrs to solve. I'm not sure if it's justice 10 years later.

shmi said...

I would like for Peter, or anyone here with insight, to address something Trista said to Justin when she was there with the cameras. It was along the lines of "I know you care". Why would she say that? His actions show he does not care. Is she just being hopeful, or facetious?

Emerald Viridis said...

Anonymous said...

One of Derek's most chilling comments:
derek 5/2/12 4:15 PM

Agreed Selena,
Doesn’t matter that Ayla was “kidnapped.” In the eyes of the blind, Justin is still a blood thirsty murderer… ;)

Funny Derek said that as it matters in every way...it is odd he has no "It" starting the sentence...a lack of commitment to the statement perhaps?

He also puts "kidnapped" in quotations, as if the idea is not real to some...

Very odd if the idea is real to him and he truly believes it happened...I think this indicates he does not believe it...especially since he adds "blood thirsty murderer" which is beyond what many were saying at the time...

I find it very odd he labels his buddy this horribly gruesome description, even in sarcasm to prove a point, as a person concerned for their friend's well being and believing them innocent would likely downplay any malicious labeling to "killer" or "guilty" without specifically naming a crime or act, as they do NOT see the friend this way...

It seems his internal reality is different that what his words are relaying to us, so this slip looks like leakage...

He also uses a winking smiley face emoticon to end the sentence, perhaps the strangest element of all, as none of his sentence conveys the emotion of smiling, winking, joking or humor, and sarcasm is very inappropriate.

Definition of a winking emoticon from two sources:
1: Winking. The winking emoticon can be used to convey a joke, but it can also be used to send flirty messages or change the tone of sentences. A single wink at the end of a message can completely alter its meaning.

2:The wink smiley face is often a way of expressing that you are sharing a secret with someone. It can also be a reference to liking someone.

As a State Farm agent, I am sure he was quite able to display more than adequate social tact, and knows( by the look of his parents' house)when to be socially appropriate and when its ok not to(around friends/family.

This includes serious discussions of an adult nature...He has training on this in the event one of his client's actually have need of their CLIP, or LIP for adults, so should not not to joke...

In this case,he is joking about the abduction/suspicious disappearance of a child and her father [possibly killer her in cold blood...the very same endangered missing child for which he created a CLIP for the father, without the knowledge or permission of the child's mother...

I'd say he is involved more than any of us know, and LE knows this too...

Emerald Viridis said...

Anonymous said...

One of Derek's most chilling comments:
derek 5/2/12 4:15 PM

Agreed Selena,
Doesn’t matter that Ayla was “kidnapped.” In the eyes of the blind, Justin is still a blood thirsty murderer… ;)

Funny Derek said that as it matters in every way...it is odd he has no "It" starting the sentence...a lack of commitment to the statement perhaps?

He also puts "kidnapped" in quotations, as if the idea is not real to some...

Very odd if the idea is real to him and he truly believes it happened...I think this indicates he does not believe it...especially since he adds "blood thirsty murderer" which is beyond what many were saying at the time...

I find it very odd he labels his buddy this horribly gruesome description, even in sarcasm to prove a point, as a person concerned for their friend's well being and believing them innocent would likely downplay any malicious labeling to "killer" or "guilty" without specifically naming a crime or act, as they do NOT see the friend this way...

It seems his internal reality is different that what his words are relaying to us, so this slip looks like leakage...

He also uses a winking smiley face emoticon to end the sentence, perhaps the strangest element of all, as none of his sentence conveys the emotion of smiling, winking, joking or humor, and sarcasm is very inappropriate.

Definition of a winking emoticon from two sources:
1: Winking. The winking emoticon can be used to convey a joke, but it can also be used to send flirty messages or change the tone of sentences. A single wink at the end of a message can completely alter its meaning.

2:The wink smiley face is often a way of expressing that you are sharing a secret with someone. It can also be a reference to liking someone.

As a State Farm agent, I am sure he was quite able to display more than adequate social tact, and knows( by the look of his parents' house)when to be socially appropriate and when its ok not to(around friends/family.

This includes serious discussions of an adult nature...He has training on this in the event one of his client's actually have need of their CLIP, or LIP for adults, so should not not to joke...

In this case,he is joking about the abduction/suspicious disappearance of a child and her father [possibly killer her in cold blood...the very same endangered missing child for which he created a CLIP for the father, without the knowledge or permission of the child's mother...

I'd say he is involved more than any of us know, and LE knows this too...

Maggie said...

Emerald--Excellent analysis!!!!
The only thing I can add is that the juxtaposition of the phrase "blood thirsty murderer" with the "winking emoticon" is odd in and of itself. As you pointed out, this is a "horribly gruesome description" and I think it is fair to say most would recoil from this image. His use of the winking emoticon (a playful, joking, gleeful emoticon) right next to this gruesome phrase may reveal how he feels about the idea of a bloodthirsty murderer. The winking emoticon is often used to indicate glee at what a person has just written as if to say "you're tickled by what I just said aren't you, I bet the light-hearted thing I just wrote is cracking you up! I hope you're laughing bc I myself am giggling at what I just wrote.)
The idea of the image of a blood-thirsty murderer bringing a feeling of glee or delight makes sense if we are talking about a sadist.

Trigger said...

"He was always honest with me."

This is interesting because Heidi would have us believe that a substance abuser like Justin would be honest with her "always."

Since when does a druggie pick out one person to be honest with while they lie to everyone else?

Heidi wants other people to believe that she has a "specialness" with Justin that no one else has?

She can tell when Justin is honest and when Justin is dishonest.

I think that Justin knows how to manipulate women and Heidi is deluding herself.

SALurkerOne said...

My guess is she was trying to pull at his heart strings so he would do the right thing.

Do you blame her? She just wants to bury her daughter.

:(

Sus said...

LE wanted to show the blood evidence to the Tudelas because it's an opportunity to meet "off the record."

Investigators would have been listening for every clue from them.

That's why the Tudelas declined, also. Do they have a lawyer?

Maggie said...

SMHI--Trista said she could "see it in his eyes" that he cares and impled that he "couldnt look at her" because he knew if he did, she would see this emotion (caring) in his eyes.
I wondered too is she just being hopeful. However, I give her more credit than that. She's smart, she seems emotionally intelligent, this situation is too important, has drawn on too long for her not to be using her emotional intuition at its fullest. I believe she believes that some part of Justin cares.

Anonymous said...

What is that blurry picture at the bottom of the post?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...
What is that blurry picture at the bottom of the post?
October 3, 2013 at 9:41 PM
___________
Anon,

That is an unofficial crime scene diagram

http://united4ayla.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/crime-scene-diagram.pdf

S + K Mum said...

Re Hobnobs Analysis

Totally!

She is saying whatever he did in the past was always okay, as long as he was honest about it. Says it all really.

Anonymous said...

Trista has deluded herself on many occasion that Justin "cares". Trista just wants to 'believe' that Justin cares. Justin never cared and still doesn't. How many times does he have to prove that he doesn't care? Trista ended their one-night stand with a crush on Justin and kept hanging out for more, and there you have it.

Someone above said Trista is "intelligent"? No way. Let's call a spade a spade; had she been intelligent, she would never have allowed herself to become an alcoholic and her with two babies at her mercy to feed and care for, only to wind up homeless while wasting their State support money and other benefits on booze. Whose to say she won't do it again? I sure wouldn't place any bets on it.

Maybe she has cleaned up her act now, and I certainly hope she has, but let's not get carried away and call her intelligent when she clearly is not.

Maggie said...

Anon @ 9:57 am--Trista has shown superhuman strength throughout this nightmare, and I find she seems quite intelligent when she speaks.
How do you know Justin and Trista only had a one night stand?
She is beautiful and has a lot of personality--someone could easily fall in love with her.
How do YOU know they only had a one night stand? Are you Derek Tudela?

Maggie said...

I believe the post @ 9:57 may have been written by Derek Tudela--similar writing style and cliche usage.

elf said...

Intelligent people can and do make mistakes. Trista is a human being. Look at ayla- how could anyone look at her and not care for her? Trista has faults, don't we all? Having faults and making mistakes or bad choices does not make someone a bad person. What matters is how you fix things. Trista has an addiction (alcohol) and she will til the day she dies but it doesn't mean she's a bad mother or person. It means she has a weakness.

Anonymous said...

NO MAGGIE, I am NOT Derek Tudela. This assumption just goes to show how far off base you allow your imagination to run away with you on some of your posts.

I am a grandmother with grown children and grandchildren of my own. Had I been involved in the lives of Tristas' children; while Trista laid around drunk like she did with Ayla and the other baby she was raising at the time, you can bet your sweet a$$ I would have taken legal steps to take those two kids away from her long ago, way before deadbeat dope head Justin got his chance to grab Ayla and viciously kill her.

And NO, I am NOT a Phoebe, Justin or Dereck sympathizer. I am a former probation officer who has SEEN the misery, neglect and poverty these helpless children of alcoholics live under, a woman who CARES about the safety and welfare of helpless children ABOVE the pity party of a drunken alcoholic mother.

F'k her weaknesses Elf, when this stupid alcoholic was responsible for the LIVES of two helpless babies, has State support provided to her for their support, while she blows it all on booze. NO excuse is good enough for her or any other parent who cares so little for their precious babies.

maggie BORES US ALL!!TURDFACED TURD! said...

Evil TURD FACE.MAGGIE!!!! Ban evil maggie asap!!,its a TURD!!!!

TURD^^^^^ said...

FUCK U MAGGIE!!!! EVIL TURD! PLOP!!!,

Maggie said...



Anon @ 11:58 said "I am a former probation officer who has SEEN the misery, neglect and poverty these helpless children of alcoholics live under, a woman who CARES about the safety and welfare of helpless children ABOVE the pity party of a drunken alcoholic mother."

So, Anon at 11:58, you are a grandmother and former probation officer--this still doesn't tell us how YOU know Justin and Trista had only a one night stand and that Trista "ended their one-night stand with a crush".
It also doesn't begin to explain your vicious attitude that having compassion for Trista whose baby Ayla was killed is a "pity party".
You also wrote "F'k her weaknesses Elf, when this stupid alcoholic"--Your attack on Trista is both vicious, degrading and very personal which tells me that you have personal anger towards Trista. Why?
Another thing I will point out is that your use of hyphens in words such as the way you wrote "one-night stand" I have seen in the troll's posts. Is it a coincidence that the troll is attacking my posts immediately after I responded to your post?
I know that some people here have pointed out that the troll they believe is related to the Hailey Dunn case, but I wonder if anyone else besides me has noticed that the troll's favorite insult it "turd" which makes sense if the troll is upset most of all by the way many posters here call the Tudelas "the Turds" or "Turdella".

What nerve have I struck with you when I pointed out Trista's good qualities and stated that Justin was probably in love or infatuated with her at some point?
Why do you want me banned? What truth have I struck upon that you do not want me here?

Maggie said...

Anon @ 11:58 wrote: "I am NOT Derek Tudela."

Anon @ 11:58 also wrote:

"And NO, I am NOT a Phoebe, Justin or Dereck sympathizer."

Why do you intentionally misspell Derek's name in this post the 2nd time you use it? You knew how to spell it in the your 1st sentence, but a few sentences later you have "forgotten" the spelling?
You have done this on purpose. What are you hiding? I believe you are Derek or a close family member of his.

maggie BORES US ALL!!TURDFACED TURD! said...

I slap Ur obsessionionated face with a TURD.

turd MAGGIE said...

U strongly nippled beast!!!!! Maggie maggie TURD TURD!!!! Derec is a TURD.your a brown turds fart!!

Mainah said...


Maggie, just ignore the troll, please. Pretend it's not there. I know, I want to verbally poke it with a stick sometimes too, but I've learned I don't have to attend every battle I'm invited to. I think it's mostly attacking the folks who acknowledge it. If it is ignored, I think eventually it will get bored and move along. Until then, chin up, some of us obviously appreciate your contribution and enjoy engaging in good dialogue with you.

Maggie said...

Mainah--thank you, and you are right--I will not engage with the troll.

I did want to point out one thing that occurred to while I was driving and thinking about anon @ 11:58's post. Back when I had read the TTLOM website, if I am remembering correctly, when Angela Harry would write lengthy posts defending herself from criticism I had noticed then she would frequently put words in all caps--just single words within a sentence but she would this frequently to emphasize them.
It suddenly occurred to me that anon @ 11:58 also does this in the same unique way Angela Harry did. I tried to look at TTLOM but it seems like it's changed and I wasnt able to find tgese old posts of hers.

Mainah said...


I don't find the use of caps that unique. I've seen a lot of peops do it to emphasize a point, myself included. If Peter was concerned about it he could find out who it is and have it stopped/blocked. I just think it's a big waste of energy that can be put to better use. Whoever it is they are surely bitter, lonely and maybe drunk. I doubt Angela Harry is up at 2am on weekdays calling people vulgar names. (PS: I thought the troll might be Lance DiPietro -- I digress).

Anonymous said...

You can think whatever you like Maggie, but you need to get hold of your vivid imagination. I am NOT Dereck nor am I a close family member of his, or any DiPuke or any of their friends, relatives or supporters. In fact, I agreed with you in an earlier post where you shed some suspicion on Derecks' questionable behavior.

Correction: I did not 'intentionally' misspell Dereck's name. There are at least three ways to spell it that I am aware of. English was once a major some years ago, so I can rightly tell you that he use of the hyphen in one-night stand is proper and correct pronunciation in its' usage.

Further, I am NOT one of the trolls, it's not my fault or my problem that they/it appears right after my post. Nor am I in any way related to any of the principals in this case, OR law enforcement, OR Dereck or his wife, and have never met any of them, nor do I wish too.

As to the one-night stand issue, perhaps you should reach back in the archives; Trista herself said initially that Justin was a one-night stand. Concerning her having a crush on Justin, this is very obvious if you look at some of her photos where she adoringly looks into his eyes or tries to catch his attention. On a couple of occasions she turned up at functions where he was, smiling adoringly at him as if she just couldn't help herself, so yes, I would say that she had a crush on him.

Maybe you need to go back and find those initial posts with photos as I sure don't intend to search them for you. I make no apologies for my opinions of a child(ren) being raised by a drunken alcoholic mother. It's just a miracle that nothing bad happened to either of Tristas' babies while she laid around drunk, (no doubt also drinking and drunk while she carried them). No telling how many strange men she had bedding down there with her or what might have happened to those babies. If it had, you all would have an entirely different opinion of her now.

Is she entitled to a second chance? OF COURSE SHE IS. I never said she wasn't. Is everyone entitled to a second chance? Is a pedophile? No ma'mam they are not. Neither would Trista be if she had not straightened up her drunken act or if something had happened to one of those babies while on her drunken watch.



Anonymous said...

Maggie, TLLOM has a "secret" membership where all those on the DiPietro defense team can come and chat. Yo have to be "accepted" to join. It is not a public online forum.

Elisa and Courtney are said to post there and nobody challenges their sttements. They are said to post and defend themselves with statements no one else can see.

The person who claims to be a grandmotherly probation officer is most likely GetRealPeople, a devotee' of Justin's and one who hates Trista with a mysterious passion for supposedly one unconnected to the family. It sounds like her writing style. She has been one of the most vicious defamers of Trista online. She has gone quite suddenlu quiet because she has few supporters, now, with the blood evidence being relesed.

She rarely addresses issues in this case, always just bashing Trista, mindlessly and endlessly. I think she was/is in love with Justin. Or is a nutty fangirl. He has 'em!

Recall how Ronald Cummings had many grandmothers sighing over him online and defending him when his daughter mysteriously disappeared during the night? Ronald Cummings was a veritable heartthrob with these strange women. And even with Nancy Grace. Ronald and Justin are expert manipulators of women, but secretly hate them. IMO.

One can say she is anyone online. Who can prove anything? Including anything I just wrote, but it sounds like she is still trashing Trista and avoiding any talk of what little Ayla no doubt suffered in that house.

Maggie said...

Mainah--I agree a lot of people do use caps to emphasize a point. What I notice with Angela Harry (some examples of her facebook posts on unitedforayla) as well as anon @ 11:58 is that it is only isolated, individual words in caps done frequently. Most people who capitalize words for emphasize you will see them capitalize both isolated, individual words as well as several words in a row.
For example: "I am ANGRY that I COULD NOT get tickets to the concert because they were ALL SOLD OUT!!!"
With Angela and Anon 11:58-- it is just isolated, individual words in caps.
You're right though--it is prob kind of a waste of time lol.

Maggie said...

Anon @ 3:03--It is not that we can't see that Trista had a crush on Justin. What I don't understand is why do you care so much? I am sure Justin reciprocated at one point to some degree, maybe he is still in love with her, after all Trista is very pretty with a lively personality.
It seems, despite Trista's issues she loved Ayla and took pretty good care of her. She looks well cared-for and happy in every picture of her we see where she is with Trista.

Maggie said...

Anon @ 3:12--Thank you about this information about TTLOM and GetRealPeople.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 3:12 and Maggie @ 3:13; I don't hate Trista, nor am I a Trista basher. I just tell it like it is. In fact, I admire Trista for coming off the booze and straightening her life out IFF she really did. For the sake of her babies, if not for herself; I certainly HOPE she did.

Yes she is a very pretty girl, nice body, attractive and with a charismatic personality. But, where's her excuse to have allowed herself to become a stupid drunk and her with babies to raise!?

She knows and plays the system well; doesn't she now have the third baby by three different men and you want to tell me how "intelligent" and "smart" she is, Maggie? If she were so smart she would stop breeding and use some of those state benefits that fall into her lap to get herself an education and a career, or at least a decent job. Comprende'?

Oh God. You want to imply that Justin was "in love with her"? He "loved" her? Yeah right. He "loved" her all those months he did nothing for her during her pregnancy then denied he even knew she was pregnant; then "loved" her when he wouldn't support his baby Ayla; he "loved" her while he was shacking up with Courtney and didn't care if Trista dropped dead; he "loved" her while he is abusing her precious baby?

I don't know what you think constitutes being in love but this surely isn't it lady!

Why do I care? I just hate seeing people go on and on making fools out of themselves. That's all.

Anonymous said...

Finally maggie your a turd.

Anonymous said...

I made the post at 3:38 but not the one at 4:44. I do not make nasty name calling posts like this one, Maggie.

Maggie said...

Anon @ 3:58--You are not doing a good job at disguising your hatred for Trista. You keep reverting to calling her a "stupid drunk"--very degrading language.
It seems clear the idea that Justin may have ever had any feelings of love for Trista enrages you also, and I wonder why that is.
You state in your final sentence that "the reason why you care is you just hate seeing people go on and on making fools of themselves" in response to my question of why you care so much that Trista had a crush on Justin. Oftentimes we hate in others the most what we deny in ourselves. I wonder if you at some point were in love with Justin and he made you feel foolish or you yourself just felt foolish for being in love with him. Were you ever in love with Justin anon 3:58?

Anonymous said...

Dang Maggie, your mind is more twisted in your imaginations than I'd even thought previously. SOOo ridiculously twisted that I won't even waste my time responding to your lunatic Justin accusation. Get it straight, Justin is NOT in my league. Neither are you. No more of this disgusting crapola. Justin wouldn't even be able to afford to purchase a pair of my shoes and I SURE wouldn't keep him up or any other man. Nuff said?

No sweetpea, I do NOT hate Trista, I wish her the best, particularly since she has lost a beautiful and precious baby daughter. This is very sad, and whether we care to admit it or not, it is also partly Tristas' fault for not staying sober and taking care of her sweet angel baby; but I certainly don't have any respect for a drunked up mother who guzzles down the money that was provided for her to support them, lies around drunk, neglecting her babies for the bottle and making more babies she can't support. Stupid, yes, mighty stupid to have ever let herself sink so low.

I'm happy for Trista if she has seen the light, has weaned herself off the bottle and is ready to be a real mother. It appears that she has. For this, I wish her the best of good luck.

Other than that; you are one disturbed cookie who cannot take the truth and has no foresight whatsoever. Just plain twisted. ta ta...

Maggie said...

Anon @ 7:03 wrote "I won't even waste my time responding to your lunatic Justin accusation."

By not answering my question and telling me how crazy it is, you have answered my question. You were at some point in love with Justin.
You wrote "Justin is NOT in my league. No more of this disgusting crapola. Justin wouldn't even be able to afford a pair of my shoes and I SURE wouldn't keep him up or any other man! Nuff said?"
Anon, have you ever heard the expression "he doth protest too much"? Just because Justin isn't in your league doesnt mean you weren't in love with him. You sound like you pride yourself on being wealthy. It must have eaten away at you that this poor man so beneath you didnt love you back and seemed more interested in a poor, drunken woman. That must have made you seethe with anger.
How did it make you feel when this pathetic man so beneath you didnt realize how wonderful you were?
Or were you afraid to even let him know how you felt? I feel your writing suggests you are male, so maybe you didnt feel comfortable letting him know how you felt?

Masquerade said...

Intelligent people never become dependent on alcohol? That's not true, and very small minded to think. Alcoholism is a disease. Trista accepted treatment for her disease. Some people never do, even when losing custody of their kids has been set as an ultimatum. It's obvious that Trista's love for her kids is much stronger than her disease. For some, it is not. They are not able to admit to having an addiction, never mind accept help for it. If someone doesn't understand alcoholism, maybe they should do a little research.

I find this all sort of ironic anyway. Justin appears to have an alcohol problem himself. His room was littered with alcohol containers, that he couldn't even pick up before calling 911. It seems he couldn't stay away from alcohol, even when it was ordered by the court.

Double standards. OK for one person, but not another.

I don't recall hearing of Trista's home being littered with alcohol containers. Justin's house was. His bedroom. Where his daughter's blood was shed.

Masquerade said...

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/alcoholism/DS00340

Maggie said...

Masquerade, yes anon keeps reaching for that--degrading insults about Trista being an alcoholic.
"Stupid drunk"
"Drunked up mother"
"Laying around drunk"
Very verbally degrading language: this language is, in my opinion, coming from a male, physical and verbal abuser, possibly homosexual persuasion

Masquerade said...

I don't know what you mean by, homosexual persuasion.

I just think it's someone who has been negatively affected by alcoholism, and is generalizing their experiences onto Trista, and/or any other mother suffering from alcoholism.

I could be way off. Who knows.

elf said...

I bet you call yourself a good Christian too lol I'm not as judgemental you. Everyone hits rock bottom but its how you climb out that matters.
I bet you've no addictions.
I bet you've always made the perfect choices.

Jazzie said...

Masquerade:
"I just think it's someone who has been negatively affected by alcoholism, and is generalizing their experiences onto Trista, and/or any other mother suffering from alcoholism."

Very astute observation.

Maggie said...


Hi Masquerade--
"Homosexual persuasion" just means "homosexual orientation" or "homosexual".

I get what you are saying that maybe anon just has anger towards an alcoholic from the past and is projecting onto Trista. I am concerned though because of some extremely degrading language anon uses repeatedly:

Anon said all of the following:

1) "F'k her weaknesses Elf, when this stupid alcoholic"
2) How many times does he have to prove that he doesn't care? Trista ended their one-night stand with a crush on Justin and kept hanging out for more, and there you have it.
3) No telling how many strange men she had bedding down there with her
4) she laid around drunk, (no doubt also drinking and drunk while she carried them)
5) he "loved" her while he was shacking up with Courtney and didn't care if Trista dropped dead;
6) pity party of a drunken alcoholic mother
7)where's her excuse to have allowed herself to become a stupid drunk
8)If she were so smart she would stop breeding

I am concerned because anon attacks Trista on 3 levels 1) he emphasizes she is a "stupid" drunk 2) he insults her in degrading terms implying she is sexually promiscuous 3) he mocks her in terms of saying how little Justin "cared" for her including saying he didn't care if she "dropped dead".

I just find that this person is using the language of domestic violence and is showing a propensity for serious physical violence. I am guessing this person is male. I am also detecting an attraction and possessiveness towards Justin. Beyond, that I won't make any guesses.

Jazzie said...

Maggie:

What language indicators signal this person is not female?

Maggie said...

Hi Jazzie: Anon claims to be a grandmother with grown children.
Here are 3 different ways anon addresses me, another female (younger than her although we'll assume she doesnt know that I am younger)--Here are 3 different ways of addressing me from this "grandmother"
1) "you bet your sweet a$$"
2) no Ma'am
3) lady
This is a male. Add to that anon's use of very degrading and anti-female language. I understand a woman could say angry things about another woman, however anon's language attacks Trista AS a woman--one very good example of this is when anon says of her that "if she was so smart she'd stop breeding". I have never heard a woman criticize another woman for "breeding"; I absolutely have heard men use this term when criticizing a woman.

GetThem said...


Anon at 3:58

"nice body" ????????????

Where did that come from? There's something weird about that comment.

Jazzie said...

Unfortunately, I have heard females refer to any women who have more than one child as "breeders". These females were college educated.

I have also heard women address women as "Ma'am" and refer to a group of women as "ladies", but usually in the service/hospitality industry. It could also be regional dialect.

Anonymous said...

I think anon is Derek.

Anonymous said...

Funny, I thought someone would say Lance.

Jazzie said...

I don't think a male would bother writing "a$$". He would just write "ass". Why bother being internet polite?

Anonymous said...

It's weird how when Maggie points out to anon how she/he spells Derek's name right and then spells it wrong on purpose anon says it's because there are 3 ways to spell it in the English language.

Jazzie said...

Because maybe Anon is college educated? LOL

Maggie said...

Jazzie--I see what you're saying that there is some wiggle room of whether sweet a$$, ma'am, lady could be used by a male ir female.
Anon's use of a$$ instead of ass I saw as them trying to be "tricky", pretend to be something they are notafter all, anon was saying very degrading things so the inhibition about just writing "ass" makes no sense to me.
Get Them pointed out how anon said Trista has a "nice body". Is this a grandma that wrote this "compliment"? Probably not. I would say this is a male saying this; also my impresson of this where anon just parroted back my compliments about Trista but added in "nice body" I feel is anon overcompensating. As if to say "yes, I am attracted to women"! But really anon is probably male and not attracted to women. Anon did nothing but degrade Trista, parroted back 2 compliments I gave her (pretty and good personality) but also added "nice body". You be the judge!

Jazzie said...

The "nice body" comment does strike me as male. Although women often are brought up to compare themselves with other women. Perhaps Anon is a bit jealous of Trista's beauty/body/sexuality.

RE: "Anon's use of a$$ instead of ass I saw as them trying to be "tricky", pretend to be something they are notafter all"

But is it more female or male to pretend you're something that you're not?

But this whole discussion has nothing to do with Baby Ayla: Failure To Arrest huh? Chock it up to late night side tracking.

Anonymous said...

At least alcoholics can go to rehab and come out better people. It's too bad there isn't a cure for self-righteous assholes with black hearts like the mystery anon above.

elf said...

Wow. You might have been a probation officer but you never said you were THERE with trista. How dare you put such assumptions out there? I see you posting SLANDER against a mother who's baby was murdered, BLAMING THE VICTIM. What kindbof officer of the court were you? What training have you taken regarding alcoholism? Did you know that every alcoholic is not a fall down drunk? Did you, in all of your all knowing all seeing perfection know that even if the only time you drink is when your down or stressed or maybe just have a night cap every night - your an alcoholic?
Grab some compassion.
Or perhaps a grip on reality .
Maybe since your so very knowledgeable about the topic, you could illuminate Justin's little alcohol problem?

AJ said...

This anon sounds like she is "drunk" off her job as a probation officer.
Years and years of pounding on the chest, swinging the finger, rolling the head, listening only to herself, as she sucks on her own bottle of bullshit.

Anonymous said...

Trista's been through a lot, Justin needs to man up, the truth does matter

Anonymous said...

Trista's life changed, there are pics posted of her life before Ayla was taken, she was really happy

Anonymous said...

I see premeditated murder in Justin's words...YUCK!!!

Anonymous said...

I keep on thinking about the blood evidence. There was blood on the carseat, and vomit in the car. Did that get there first or last, before the disappearance? That must hold a clue.

Anonymous said...

Justin's a cold blooded murderer!

Anonymous said...

Good question about the car seat evidence anon @ 5:28. Keep asking these kinds of questions. I believe we can solve this case here at statement analysis. What is your opinion? Do you think it happened before or after? One poster had suggested maybe they put her in carsest to take Ayla to hospital after they had seriously harmed her but then changed their mind? What do you think?

Maggie said...

Something just came to me this morning: This is after reading some writing samples of Angela Harry's and Derek's recently and seeing a little exchange they had on facebook in the comments section of a post about Ayla 4 days after Ayla disappeared (found on unitedforayla).
I think the Angela Harry letter should be looked at again for more clues. I am strongly suspecting that Derek either wrote the letter or fed the info to Angela.
In my opinion, the writing style of the letter does not match Angela's. She may have helped do some editing or even added a few flourishes, but the writing is different than her writing (and there is a LOT of it out there on the internet at this point to look at).
Another point about the letter, anyone who has read Angela's writing that goes on and on and on lengthwise as if it will never end would know that Angela would never close a piece of writing by saying "I need to stop now because I just can't fit anymore words on a page" (keep in mind this is a page on the internet where there are not space limits).
Also, when Angela lied and said she had known Justin since childhood, this makes sense if she was defending her story based on the fact that the story had either been written or fed to her by Derek (Justin's best friend since childhood).
I have a feeling Derek wrote the story or fed the info to Angela who then spruced it up a little to make it seem more "storylike). I bet Derek saw how "sympathetic she was" just a bleeding heart type of personality who was defending Derek and Justin on facebook from people attacking Justin. In other words, she's their fall guy.
But I just feel looking at the letter again could maybe yield more clues of even who wrote it or what happened to Ayla.

Masquerade said...

I don't necessarily think the case will get solved here. I think its pretty much solved already, with the exception of who did what, and when. I do have theories though.

I think Ayla was fussy upon getting in her car seat. He may have had to force her into it, or he was very disturbed by her being fussy. I think he physically assaulted her in the vehicle. When they got home, he either assaulted her further, or just tried to put her to bed. She wouldn't go to sleep. I think he then completely snapped.

If he's a common abuser, he may have even actually tried to comfort her in between, but Ayla being a child, and never having been abused before, she would have no way of knowing that "rejecting" his comfort, would only set him off further. I've read that kids, like an abused woman, learn how to cope with abuse. Ayla was too young to learn that yet, especially where she apparently hadn't been abused previously. All she knew was that she was physically in pain, and probably emotionally as well, as this person who she called daddy, was hurting her.

Anyway, I'd love to know who left fingerprints on the blue tote, if any.

Jen said...

Hi Maggie-

Here is Peter's previous analysis of the Angela Harry letter:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-account-of-ayla-reynolds-analyzed.html?m=1

Maggie said...

Hi Jen--Thank you for the link! I am very interested to read through this. Peter does a great job with analyzing letters!

Jen said...

Hi Maggie-

Here is Peter's previous analysis of the Angela Harry letter:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-account-of-ayla-reynolds-analyzed.html?m=1

Jen said...

Hi Maggie-

Here is Peter's previous analysis of the Angela Harry letter:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-account-of-ayla-reynolds-analyzed.html?m=1

Jen said...

Sorry about the duplicate posts!

Does anyone have an idea what causes them? It seems to happen when I post from my phone, but not always. Any tips would be appreciated.

Maggie said...

Peter's analysis is excellent! It seems like he did not leave one stone unturned unturned! Phenomenal job!

Here is one thing I noticed reading Angela's letter:

One thing with the babygate I don't understand. Angela says the baby gate was placed at the top of basement stairs in the morning. Wasnt there a door on the basement entrance? Since Justin had not yet emerged from his basement dwelling, why would the gate have been placed there--wouldnt the door have still been shut? My feeling is that if the babygate had been placed there at this time, it is indicator Justin had already emerged from his basement dwelling at the time Elisha discovered Ayla missing.
Another thing that I find sensitive is that Angela points out it was so NORMAL for Courtney and her son to sleep over on the weekends.

1). This is hard to believe that sleeping over in this dirty basement with her son would have been something she did every weekend.
2). It reminds me of something with the Lindburgh kidnapping, how they now believe that the baby's kidnappers had received inside info (prob from the maid) that the family would be staying in that particular house that weekend which had no security when NORMALLY they spent that night of the week at a different vacation home that had security and would have made the kidnapping extremely difficult. How does this relate to the DiPietro's? Well, what I wonder is if when Courtney and her son slept over (which I think prob was not normal) if maybe this dramatically affected where Ayla would sleep for the night. Did she normally sleep in Justin's room? OR did Courtney and son sleeping over effect Justin's sleeping arrangement? Did perhaps he normally just fall asleep on the couch?
Did this change in sleeping arrsngements allow whoever did something to Ayla to have easier access to her without being seen by anyone?
There is so much sensitivity in the letter surrounding sleeping arrangements.
1). it was NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL for Ayla's cousin to sleep with her Mom Elisha
2) Courtney and son sleeping over being a normal occurence is sensitive.
3) Even Angela's emphasis that Ayla ws put to bed in the "shared room" is sensitive since she had already made it clear in the letter the girls shared a room.
My feeling is that that night SOMEONE took advantage of some change in sleeping arrangement brought on by the visit of Courtney and son to harm Ayla without anyone seeing.

Maggie said...

My feeling is that the letter teveals 2 important things
1) Courtney and son did not normally sleep over on weekends
2) The girls SHARED room may not have actually been a shared room. Perhaps Ayla normally slept somewhere else.
3) Perhaps what happened is that when Courtney and son slept over, Ayla would be placed into the SHARED room to sleep. Perhaps (although Angela says it was NOT AT ALL UNUSUAL for Elisha's daighter to sleep w her in her room) Elisha's daughter normally slept alone in the SHARED room but was brought into Elisha's room to sleep with her that night just so the toddler's did not keep each other up being together in the same room.
Therefore, maybe Ayla was placed to sleep alone that night in the SHARED room and this is when someone harmed her.

Anonymous said...

Maggie, if someone (a stranger or one of the occupants of the house) harmed Ayla, what is the liklihood of no one hearing Ayla being harmed? Would Ayla not have cried out? Was she chloroformed first and then beaten so as to produce the blood?

And her blood is not in just one place. Did the perp travel all over the house with a bleeding Ayla? She made no sounds as she was being hurt? All are vey heavy sleepers, or drugged, or drunk to not have heard anything in the night?

Nobody in that house heard anything, or so the stories go. Except the neighbors who did hear something loud, a bang, around 3:00a.m.. The neighbors' dog took to barking at this lound "bang". But the DiPietros and guests slept soundly through it?

I find it very difficult to believe that somethig happened to Ayla during the night of the 16th/17th and the DiPietros awoke to an empty bed where Ayla should be ten (or twelve hours later... depending on the storyteller).

I think something happened to Ayla much earlier in time, perhaps in the morning of the 16th when everyone except Justin and Ayla were gone from the house. Justin with a hangover is left to care for Ayla on his own and she is just not cooperating. She won't stay in her bed, or she demands some attention and care and Justin is not prepared to deal with her demands and loses his temper.

Kicking a child in the ntomach by a male caregiver losing control is one of the main ways child abuse is perpetrated by the out-of-control caretaker, second only to slamming the child up against a wall or a hard object. Things just go from bad to worse when a baby doesn't mind or cooperate. Lessons have to be taught. Discipline administered! And then things go too far. it wasn't meant to happen, and old friends are then called to help with the appalling results.

As to Courtney coming every weekend to sleep in the basement with her son -- wasn't it said that Justin had just gotten his bed from his Portland roomates' flat and brought it to Waterville? He hadn't been really staying at the house in Waterville, but spent most of his time in Portland even after he was supposed to have moved back in with Mama.

Someone took care of Ayla when Phoebe and Elisha were off at school or work. And it wasn't always Justin because he was evidently still in Portland. In fact, a woman online said she had taken care of Ayla for two weeks. And I believe she said in Portland.

I'm thinking this night of the 16th may have been Courtney's first visit to stay overnight on Violette Avenue in the dungeon.

I think we know miniscule about this case and what was going on with Justin and his taking of Ayla with his promises to live in his mother's house in Waterville with her.

And I'm guessing that he had free reign with nobody from DHHS checking on his movements with Ayla and who juyst where she was living all the time and who was keeping care of her while Justin roamed at will in Portland.

Maggie said...

My feeling is that whoever wrote the letter than Angela Harry spruced up is one of the perpetrators of the crime against Ayla. My impression is that whoever gave this info to Angela is feeling the need to convince that the sleeping arrangements (including the element of Courtney and her son sleeping over) were the NORMAL sleeping arrangements. Why??? Why, unless none of it was normal and the dictator of the letter used these changes in sleeping arrangements to get to Ayla and make her "disappear" (as it is put in the letter). In my opinion, this is what the dictator of the letter is TRYING THE HARDEST TO HIDE--this element that Ayla sleeping alone in the SHARED room was in fact not normal. Why is the dictator of the letter trying so hard to cover up this fact???

Maggie said...

Anon @ 4;09--Sorry, just now seeing what you wrote and you've made very good points.
Taking into account the info you provided, I'm not sure what to think. All I can get from the letter is that the dictator of the info seems very nervous about concealing the abnormality of the sleeping arrangements the night Ayla went missing. This is what the dictator of the letter is trying hardest to convince the reader of: PLEASE BELIEVE THESE WERE THE NORMAL SLEEPING ARRANGEMENTS! I can tell you this is what I feel they are concealing the most is that these sleeping arrangements (including Courtney and son sleeping over) was not normal. I am not sure why????

Anonymous said...

I find the phrase "if-then scenario" from the letter unusual. I googled it and what comes up for "if-then scenario" is computer programming, video game programming as well as the term is used in financial dealings (stocks and things like this).

Anonymous said...

Maggie, it isn't as if CR and JD were not seeing each other and CR had to travel to Waterville to get some "stud" time. (CR referred to Justin as a "stud".) Why didn't Justin take Ayla, if Elisha and Phoebe didn't want to watch her, to Portland on Fiday night where they could to stay at CR's apartment in comparative comfort and have privacy?

Once Ayla and Ayden were down for the night, then the lovers would have free reign for their great passion. (ahem!) Why does Justin have to stay with Ayla in Phoebe's home on this weekend when his GF is well-fixed to accomodate Justin and Ayla?

Justin was in and out of Portland all the time. Why does he have to stay in Wayerville this weekend? Was someone expected to come visiting and he had to show he was there with Ayla?

Was CR invited to come that night to provide an extra alibi for Ayla's disappearance? That her visit was neither a normal nor a customary visit.

Anonymous said...

Was the person who dictated this letter possibly someone who worked in a professional job involving computers or financial dealings (perhaps life insurance)?

Phrases found in letter that may support this:

1) logical mind
2) defy reason
3) competing
4) respects her drive
5) if-then scenario
6) support network

Maggie said...

Anon @ 6:09--That is an excelkent question. Why would Justin not have just gone to Courtneys. It is as if their presence at the DiPietro house was somehow necessary in order for the crime to be pulled off. I am not sure what to make of it!

TheTimeIsRight said...

Maggie, you are a genius! The 'letter', blood evidence, and the lip are the key elements to solving this case. Justin said when the time is right, 'the truth will come out'. Sorry Justin, the time is now. According to SA, if you can't say when the time is right, then we can't say it for you. Peter, I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. We, as supporters for the family of Ayla Bell Reynolds have to make the time right. Its time to take the kid gloves off to these sadists and actively seek justice for Ayla and Trisha.

When you get a chance, read : The Case of Scott Dunn. He was a young man murdered in Lubbock, Texas in the 90s by his live-in girlfriend (Letisha Hamilton) and a man named (Tim Smith). To this day, his body has never been found. What is most interesting about this case is that a group of volunteer law enforcement called the VICOCQ Society solved the case. Scott's father was at a convention in Philly and met one of the members. The group is in Philadelpia, Pa. A quote from one of the members said, blood speaks the name of a killer. At that moment, I thought about Ayla's case. (similar crime scene, no body) To make a long story short, this group was able to prove that with the amount of blood found at the crime scene, it was in fact a 'murder scene'. I'm thinking at this point, I don't have to tell you, they have a blood analysis expert in the group! Finally, all the evidenece was written in a coherent court room presentation and presented to the DA and Grand Jury. Based on the evidence, the two suspects was indicted, and found guilty of murder in the case of Scott Dunn.

I will not rest until the guilty are indicted and found guilty of the cowardly murder of Ayla Reynolds. Lets make it happen, now. The time is right!

Anonymous said...

I have one question for Elisha. Who is most important to you, Gabby or Justin? Your brother need to take responsibly for his actions and but let you risk spending time in prison and losing your daughter. Make the call before its too late. He ran and left your mother when confronted by Trisha, don't think he won't leave you holding the bag.

Anonymous said...

Some of these posts are reeeeally long. I read here regular and I will be honest to let you know I skim past a lot of them. Especially the ones by the same people over and over and over. I hate to say it but Aylas case seems to be becoming an obsession for some (?). Commendable effort to solve the case but have a little break lol.

Anonymous said...

For Anon - October 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

Keep skimming! It's so funny to me the people who come to this blog with some sense of entitlement expecting that everyone else has to change to accommodate their desires. Grow up! LOL

Anonymous said...

PS For Anon - October 5, 2013 at 7:28 PM

You could also learn how to use the site. Near the very top of this page there is a link that says Collapse Comments. Click and watch what happens! It's magical! You can skip the names of the commenters that youuu don't want to read :)

Maggie said...

Hi TheTimeIsRight--Thank you! I am humbled and honored if I have helped in any way with making progress towards cracking this case. I agree that these sadists responsible for this crime need to be put in their place! They should NOT get away with this horrible crime against Ayla!!!! Peter has been great with pounding away at this case and doing incredible analysis and I absolutely believe the people here can solve it--these are the best and brightest group I have ever encountered who come up with tremendous clues and insights from looking at writing. I believe the clues ARE in the writing, we just need to find them all and put them together and we will! For Ayla!!!

TheTimeIsRight said...

Correction to an earlier post:

The Vidocq Society helped solve the 1991 murder o 24 yr. old Roger 'Scott' Dunn when no weapon and no body could be found. The cold case files aired the episode last night. However, they failed to update the case. I found that Scott's remains was found May 2012. His family was finally able to give him a proper burial.

Thanks Maggie

Ashley Pouliot said...

This is strange and should be looked at. I mean is it a coincidence that the Tudelas other son has onside info into the Waterville pd. And maybe some connections to help out his brother on times like this???

cellardoor said...

I know this may be irrelevant but has anyone else noticed Derek's cover photo on Facebook? Him and friends showing off guns... just seems odd for a person in the spotlight to portray such a show off attitude.

Nic said...
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Nic said...

Mainah said:

It boggles my mind, as I'm sure others, that DHHS has not removed Gabby from 29 Violette Ave and Ayden from 36 Pine St. and their mother's unsupervised custody. Yet Trista was given the choice: rehab or loose Ayla, for a late-night drunken argument with her sister, where LE did not charge anyone.


Wasn't the DHHS (child welfare? sorry I'm not American) case worker a friend/relative of Justin's mom? "They" (team effort) took the opportunity to get the baby away from Trista in an effort to not have to pay $$.

Therein lies your answer. Deception and duplicity run deep in this case. It probably runs throughout the whole system.

jmo

Vita said...

I posted this 2 days ago/Motive post. My conclusions are my own, based upon statements found online/typed by persons who have interest: Ayla not being found.

The infamous Tudela Interview:
March 11,2012 Morning Sentinel

Meanwhile, public perception was turning against the DiPietros, Heidi Tudela said. “They were devastated. Their granddaughter, niece, daughter is missing. All they did wrong was have a child that was missing,” she said.
HT: Order " All they did wrong" was have a child, " that was" missing.

Their Granddaughter: Phoebe/?
Niece: Elisha/Derek
Daughter: Justin/Trista

Derek online posted: No Pronoun, NOT If MY mom reallly," If Mom"
derek 5/16/12 11:49 PM
Actually “eve” If mom reallly said afternoon she was mistaken.
Consider it CONFIRMED I saw Atla that Friday morning.
--
Vigil Held 12/21/2011 Waterville Church, The family members of Justin Dipietro, held a vigil for Ayla Reynolds.

“I can tell you, they are working just as hard as if it was their own child,” Waterville City Manager Mike Roy told the group at the vigil at the First Congregational Church.

Who Attended/on video: Justin, Heidi, Derek. Not on camera, they did or did not attend: Phoebe, Elisha, Lance (?)
Video of J/H/D in church: http://youtu.be/VDYY8lDFrLE

"working just as hard as if it was their own child" who is they? that are working just as hard, as if " it" was their own child. Ayla is an " It" as if she was their own child? He is not speaking of Ayla?

The City Manager has inside knowledge of " they" were working on IT, as IT was their own child/or this is their own child? related to they by blood? The City Manager, his assistant who was married to the Ex of Darrell Tudela's sister. Domini her name then/she remarried/remains his and is asst to Waterville Mayor.

HT: All they did wrong, was have a child, that was: missing. Was missing, they found (him) with 4 drops of blood? Adam his internship Waterville LE, Spring 2011, he learning how to collect forensics. http://www.waterville-me.gov/departments/police/content/1501/student-intern-program-2011.php

They missed a childhood: Justin?
He & Derek missed out growing up in the house of Tudela, with their Father (?) Darrell. Their granddaughter, niece, daughter is missing. 1st Priority of HT: Their Granddaughter

Paternity established?: To protect the precious Tudela Crest, Namesake ($-bank account) Derek to write his despise for Trista online before either family spoke out, Ayla's missing. /she is not good enough for Peach: Trista not acceptable mother material or it was decided they as a family already lost one, to a mother alike Trista. Not repeating History again?

I went back to the article March 2012, of Derek's quoted. Partial is what HT approved, the other is direct quote. Policies " like" Ayla's as the policies are different, the intended. Like, are intended, for a child later in life. Not Ayla, a child though that would be later in Justin's life.

Tudela said the additional insurance was inexpensive, and policies like Ayla’s are intended to be a gift for a child later in life, like a savings account.

“It’s very inexpensive. I told Justin it’s the same policy I have on my son, and it’s one of the best gifts you can give (Ayla),” he said. “I would do the same thing for any one of my friends, and I have.”

My post here is revised/original is under part III Motive post.

Anonymous said...

To ME, it is very obvious that the death of Ayla, IN THE HOME, at the time and in the manner which it occurred, was NOT an insurance scam.

If one intended to claim a kidnapping hoax to collect on a life insurance policy, they would NOT leave blood and vomit evidence all over the house, on their shoes and in the car!

There are MANY other ways one could hoax up and carry out a quiet, silent, UNMESSY kidnapping claim leaving NO evidence and that would appear more authentic than killing the child right in your own home; which on THAT night at THAT time is what happened to poor baby Ayla.

I mean, COME ON!!

Anonymous said...

Anon at 11:11am, you say 'If one intended to claim a kidnapping hoax to collect on a life insurance policy, they would NOT leave blood and vomit evidence all over the house, on their shoes and in the car!'

Yet, 'one' did claim a kidnapping hoax to LE and the world, despite the fact 'one' left blood and vomit evidence all over the house, on their shoes and in the car.

I find it credible the LIP figures in Ayla's death, one way or another.

Maggie said...

The LIP MUST figure into this case! Who knows maybe Derek planned it from Day 1 and planned on skimming off of it (the money) or just lying to Justin and saying "sorry buddy the money never came through" meanwhile pocketing the $25,000.
Why did this cleancut "family man" call his buddy the day after Ayla moved in w Justin to sell him the LIP on Ayla's life?
Oh, and noone would ever suspect this wonderful, successful family man of plotting extreme evil!! Who would ever suspect this pudgy-faced "success story" standing next to his flea-infested, dungeon-dwelling "best friend"?

Maggie said...

I will copy and paste it here when I get home, but I BEG people here to look at the facebook comment by Derek Tudela (found on unitedforayla) in which he talks about how the couple will not "re-unite". For those SA better than me, please look at how he avoids saying Trista's name and look at how he does refer to her--one of the ways he refers to her is "the mother" which if I am remembering SA correctly, this is VERY concerning!

Anonymous said...

You missed the point Anon @ 12:00.

Anonymous said...

noone = no one. (It's two words).

Maggie said...

Vita--If I am understanding what you wrote, you may be onto something. When I was on the unitedforayla page--there is a picture of Darrell Tudela--his facial bone structure is almost identical to Justin's!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know if LE has searched the Kennebec River as well as Messolonski Stream? I know the latter is much closer to Violette Ave but the Kennebec isn't that far either. I don't believe it's too much of a stretch of the imagination to think JD & Co. would have taken Ayla to that river, knowing it flows all the way to the ocean. More area to search, a better chance of her body never being discovered...

Anonymous said...

If they put Ayla's body in the river, could they be sure the body would not become snaggled on a branch or otherwise impeded flowing to the sea?

I think Ayla's body is in a place like an abandoned well, or an old septic tank, or at least where those who tossed it like garbage can be sure it is undistubed. Sick, sick cowardly individuals.

Maggie said...

Here is one of the comments left by Derek Tudela on facebook in a thread about Ayla within days of Ayla having gone missing

(I really feel like this needs to be analyzed. I find it to be particularly concerning the way he never mentions Trista by name along with many other concerning things.)

Here is the quote:
"Teri... Where ate you getting this BS. Do your research. The father never once mentioned anything about the people who were in his home or reason to believe any one there was involved. Secondly, the parents will not re-unite as you say as they were never a couple; let's not beat around the bush... It was a one night stand! I am all for a mother raising her child when she is responsible and loving but this mom has been to rehab... MORE than once! Is she really crazy enough to believe that filing for full custody was a good idea? She is frigging homeless!!! He didn't "give the woman a child." in fact, she didn't tell him about his daughter unroll she was seven months old and the mother had no other option when applying for welfare."

Maggie said...

Here is another comment written by Derek Tudela in the same thread on facebook regarding Ayla days after she went missing. I feel it needs to be analyzed. Of particular concern to me is the way he refers to/describes the "kidnapper".


"It sickens me when those who don't know any details make nasty assumptions. You're going to feel like an ass when you find out how great a father this guy really is. Ayla was exactly where she shoils gave been. The only person to blame is the evil psycho who steals babies"

HERE IS MY ANALYSIS OF THE LAST SENTENCE:

"The only person to blame is the evil psycho who steals babies"

The only person

The (singular and specific) only person (only emphasizes that there is only one, a solitary individual who should be blamed) person (this is mild language)

to blame

(not "who should be blamed" this is an abbreviated "to blame" I would say this is a lack of commitment to who should be blamed)

is the evil psycho who steals babies

(Here Derek describes "the only person to blame". This "person" is:

1) evil
2) psycho
3) steals babies

THE DESCRIPTION OF THE KIDNAPPER IS SENSITIVE. The person (mild language) is evil (very bad, immoral), psycho (crazy) and steals babies (plural).

DECEPTION INDICATED

This is a deliberate effort to deceive by the creation of a "false" individual ("the evil psycho who steals babies"). It does not appear to be merely an effort to believe in the innocence of his friend, rather this is a deliberately created fake villain "the evil psycho who steals babies".

Masquerade said...

If Justin is so great, why didn't he support his child, at least starting at the 7 month mark, when he supposedly found out about her?

He's degrading Trista for applying for welfare, but what about everyone else? What about Phoebe and Elisha? Do/Did they receive welfare?

What does he mean about no one in the home being "involved"? Involved in what? Was there something they could have been involved in?

I think it was discovered that Justin and Trista's relationship was not a one night stand. Not a conventional relationship, but not a one night stand.

Masquerade said...

Anon 5:11, I too think they must have done something with her body, making it extremely difficult to find, if ever. :(

Masquerade said...

To add to that, maybe that's why he wasn't too worried about cleaning up. Maybe he knew her body would most likely never be found, eliminating a huge piece of evidence. The most important piece needed, for a conviction. :(

Anonymous said...

I think it was discovered that Justin and Trista's relationship...
Me too, I think Trista thought they were married.
( patience she shows towards Justin.)

Maggie said...

Masquerade, I agree, there are many concerning and upsetting statements made by Derek.

You asked "involved in what?" Very astute!

Here is the exact quote you were commenting on:

"The father never once mentioned anything about the people who were in his home or reason to believe any one there was involved."

I echo your concern "involved" in what?

Here is another statement made by Derek that I find deeply concerning:

"Is she really crazy enough to believe that filing for full custody was a good idea?"

WHY would this even be mentioned by him in light of the fact that Ayla had just been "kidnapped" by an "evil psycho who steals babies"?
Notice also, there is no calling out for Ayla, concern for her well-being or hoping/pleading for her safe return.

Masquerade said...

Anon 9:28, I do think Trista thought there was more to the relationship than really was there, or she was hoping there would be some day. I think she's admitted as much, if I remember correctly. I think she was being used, and didn't realize it. She's not the first woman or mother to think that way, and won't be the last. Sometimes love is blind.

Maggie said...

Could Derek's statement calling the kidnapper "the evil psycho who steals babies" indicate an alliance between himself and Phoebe?

Descriptions of the kidnapper as given by the following individuals:

Derek:
1) evil
2) psycho
3) steals babies (plural)

Phoebe:
1) cases the house
2) watches the family's activities
3) gave her a "creepy feeling"
4) created "oddities" in the house

Justin:
1) may believe what they are doing is
right
2) has no right (to have taken Ayla)
3) should send a "signal"
4) should be given immunity
5) is not her (Ayla's) parent"

john said...

Hi Maggie,

Ive been following your post's not just here, also in other threads.

I don't want to eulogize to much,your head may fall off.(lol).

You have posted information regarding
Ayla i havn't heard of before,and shed a lot of light on what i know.

Your Tenacity is to be admired.Keep it going...Doffs hat..

Anonymous said...

LE should put some new people on the case, with new energy and new ways of looking at the evidence. Start it from the beginning again. They should do new interviews, searches, etc. to find one more evidence for the DA, if all that blood in that home is not enough.

Maggie said...

John--Thankyou, I appreciate the encouragement. My feeling is that these S.O.B.s shouldnt be getting away w this heinous crime against a helpless little girl. I just discovered unitedforayla and my hats off to whoever is doing that blog too bc I am very impressed w how they are putting together info and thinking things through.
My gut feeling about this right now is that there were 3 main perpetrators--Phoebe, Derek and Justin. However, I believe that there may have been different motives operating. For Justin, I feel his motive may have been "dont let Trista get Ayla back". The other 2--Phoebe and Justin--I feel one (or both) may be sociopathic and have had a money-based/and or jealousy-based motive.
I don't feel that Ayla was killed accodentally from abuse. Rather, I feel the "telegraphing" of the kidnapping and the Angela Harry letter hint at an actual abduction (meaning that someone took her that night but not all people in the house were supposed to be aware of it). I feel the AH letter has indicators that sleeping arrangements that night were very different than the norm and that someone took advantage of this to try to take Ayla from the house (and this is not a stranger kidnapper but one of them). I feel that Justin's busting through the gate was an attempt at a "performance" of surprise when he was told Ayla was not in her room.

Maggie said...

Sorry--in my post above it should say that other two Phoebe and Derek

Anonymous said...

Maggie, you can't believe anything any of the DiPukes have said; for example, the story about Justin 'busting through the gate', or any inplications that Ayla was taken from the house by a stranger or anyone else without the knowledge of Justin and those in the residence at the time, including Phoebe and Lance.
Forget all the what ifs and so on and so forth; also don't always trust your gut feelings. Gut feelings have been known to be wrong on many occasions. This is the same game that is played by most physics who are notoriously wrong.

Consider that the DiPukes have all already proved themselves to be liars. Go with the evidence that was left within the premises and the auto, therein you will find the answers; that being, that Ayla was viciously beaten and brutalized in the residence and likely died there or shortly thereafter. We do know that she was taken out of the residence, or brought into it then later removed (simple: she's not there!)
because of the blood and vomit evidence left in the auto.

Anonymous said...

because of the blood and vomit evidence left in the auto....
This was likely from an earlier day

Maggie said...

Anon @ 3:42--I do assume everything the DiPietro's say is a lie. I am basing my gut feeling on carefully reading various writings including the AH letter many times and looking at the analysis done here as well as doing my own analysis.
I look for sensitivity--what is the writer trying to conceal? (That's what we all do here.)
In the AH letter, having read it many times over, my feeling is there are linguistic indicators that whoever fed out this info to AH was very nervous about the fact that the sleeping arrangements that night were anything but normal. Interestingly, it is not mentioned that there was an additional change in sleeping arrangement in that Phoebe did not sleep there the night Ayla "disappeared". But the sleeping arragement differences that are mentioned the provider of the info to AH is nervously trying to convince that these arrangements were "normal" or "not at all unusual". (Is there even a possibility Ayla normally slept in Phoebe's room with her?)
Based on linguistic indicators, I feel that the baby gate being busted through is a part of the "drama" (meaning staged "performance"). I know many believe the gate was angrily kicked in violence or that Ayla fell down the stairs. I sense things differently from how the info is presented in the story.
I do believe Justin knew Ayla was to be "kidnapped" that night, hence his dramatic display of "breaking through the gate" when Elisha tells him Ayla is not in her room. Hence also the "instant panic".
But let's pose the question this way: If this was a plot to make Ayla "disappear" by one or a few people close to her, wouldn't it make sense they would not want additional people knowing, such as Elisha? Wouldn't it make sense they would try to conceal it from some (whoever was not "in" on the plan?)

Maggie said...

And I could be wrong about all of this, but I am trying to look at the writings and let them speak.

Maggie said...

One other thing that I would love to hear what others think about: RIGHT before the writer begins to describe "what happened that night" they use the phrase "sets the stage".
To me, this is leakage, that whoever fed this info to Angela and my guess is that it was in written form, was in on the "staging" of this stranger abduction kidnapping.

Masquerade said...

Hi Maggie. I don't mean this in a condescending way, because I think it's great how much effort you put into Ayla's case. I'm very invested too. Ayla captured my heart the first time I heard about her. There's nothing wrong with talking about the case and trying to figure things out, I do the same thing. The only thing with SA though is, you have to assume, going into a statement, that it's true/the truth, then you can look for the unexpected. As hard as it is, you have to put your feelings aside when trying to do SA. Believe me, I know it's hard in Ayla's case. That's where, "the statement is alive, the subject is dead" comes into play (I think, lol). But, like I said, you're doing a great job keeping Ayla's case active. :)

Jen said...

Hi Maggie- when deciding whether Elisha was involved, or if she is a clueless bystander, consider this...

If you awoke in your own home, and found that your neice was not in her own bed, would you be immediately be panicked and rushing down the stairs, believing her to be 'missing'...or would you more than likely think that your neice was safe and sound sleeping with her father, Courtney, in Pheobe's bed, or somewhere within the house?

It doesn't make sense that her initial reaction would be panic when at least 2 other adults were present, (one of whom is the childs father) and without knowledge of something unusual happening the previous night. Why wouldn't she assume that Ayla crawled into bed with her dad at some point during the night? Sure she might peek down the stairs, or yell down to her brother to make sure that Ayla was safe..but the idea that the mere discovery of Ayla's empty bed sent her rushing down the stairs in a panic makes no sense when she is not the sole caregiver in the home.

Jen said...

Also I am irritated every time I read the AH letter, where she states the gate was placed at the top of the steps 'every morning'.

I use baby gates, and have since my son began crawling 2+ years ago. The only gates that are suitable for stair use (top) are permanent mount models. I doubt the Dip's would care enough to know that, or spend the money to buy one...so I'll dismiss that inconsistancy, and go with the idea that they used a removeable tension model. Even then, that statement STILL doesn't make sense.

I would NEVER go to bed without my gates securely latched, to keep my son safe as I sleep. That's why you use gates...as a precaution to keep your kids from falling down the stairs, or going into areas you deem unsafe. Why would they remove the safety precaution during the night, (when they are alseep and therefore unable to safegaurd their kids any other way) and then place the gate in the morning?

They included the 'placing of the gate' as an attempt to persuade that they were a loving, protective family, and that safeguarding their children's safety was part of their everyday routine. The need to persuade indicates this is a sensitive topic for them, and rightly so...as the horrific blood evidence, along with the bruises and broken arm, show that they clearly were not loving or protective.

Anonymous said...

The blood links directly to their SCANNED words

Anonymous said...

I am interested in reading the AH letter again but am having trouble finding a link. Anyone?

Anonymous said...

I want to read both the first copy and then the edited also.

Jen said...

I posted the letter with analysis previously in this comment thread.

Jen said...

Here it is again:

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-account-of-ayla-reynolds-analyzed.html?m=1

Anonymous said...

Thank you Jen.

Anonymous said...

I'm so scared that this will never be solved

Maggie said...

Hi jen--Great to hear your input as always!
With the Elisha thing, the letter doesnt exactly state that Elisha instantly panics. What happens is that Elisha awakens, begins moving through the house (seeing that it is a very small house it is not unreasonable to think she may have gotten a pretty good idea of whether Ayla was in any of the 1st floor area as she moves about the house--this is a very small house--except Phoebe's room). Then she goes into Ayla's room and sees she is not in there. Now, assuming there is a gate blocking the basement, it is not completely unreasonable for her to think it is unlikely Ayla would be in the basement (since she would not have been able to get past the gate). Now, after she "rushes" down the stairs and sees Ayla is not down there then there is "instant panic".
The baby gate thing is a headache to figure out. My sense is that it was mentioned as part of the drama (Justin busting through the gate in his instant panic) and the part about "was placed there every morning for the girls" was tacked on (possibly by Angela) as a way of making the family look like good caregivers.
Reason for inclusion of babygate story: make Justin look like he was really panicked
The "flourish" of "placed there every morning for the girls" is an afterthought to emphasize their "goodness".
This is my sense of things anyway, one interpretation and it is really great to bounce ideas back and forth and to hear your ideas. It is amazing even after reading something over and over what can be missed and a different angle to consider and so I really appreciate hearing your thoughts.

Maggie said...

Oh, and is there a door on the basement entrance that would be shut at night? Most houses like theirs there is a door on the basement entrance?

Maggie said...

I just looked at the crime scene diagram and it appears there is a door to basement stairs. Maybe if the door was shut and Elisha saw the door shut before placing the gate, she figured Ayla was probably not in the basement w Justin?

Anonymous said...

If anybody slept that night in the DiPietro abode I'd be very surprised.

Perhaps that is why Ayden was pictured sleeping on Courtney's shoulder in the photo released of all the principles talking to detectives on that Saturday morning. I doubt very much whether Courtney and Ayden slept in a bed with blood splatter on shoes,the sheets and around the bed.

Anonymous said...

The house looks pretty disgusting and I can only imagine what Justin's dungeon looked like. Probably complete squalor on an everyday basis so it wouldnt surprise me if it was normally so disgusting Courtney might not notice.

Masquerade said...

A question from way back was, who put the gate there that morning (as it was always placed there in the morning)? There was no mention of Elisha putting it there, in her rushed trip down, or of her moving it or stepping over it, only of Justin crashing through it on his way up. The gate makes no sense. It was definitely added to the story for a reason though. Maybe it was already broken and not being used, but they needed an excuse for it being broken (an excuse for LE). There was always question as to if it had something to do with Ayla's disappearance, whether there was an actual accident involving the gate, or a fit of rage involving the gate.

Also, where was Gabby? Was she up with Elisha, or still sleeping at that point? Wouldn't she be looking for her cousin, to play with; trying to get into their shared room?

Masquerade said...

Why would Courtney bring her son into that situation and/or keep him in that situation, assuming she knew what was going on? Why not leave him with a babysitter, a family member, etc.? Besides the obvious of it being horrendous for her to allow her son to witness something(s) horrible going on, wouldn't it be more difficult for her to "help" with her toddler son there?

Some things I just don't get.

Maggie said...

Masquerade, what you pointed out is one of the reasons I dont think Courtney (or Elisha) were involved. As a sidenote, it is believable to me that there were multiple people involved and actually that is what I believe but it is really stretching it to think Courtney and son and Elisha with her daughter there were "in" on a plot or even remaining completely silent after witnessing a horrible killing of a toddler.

Maggie said...

Masquerade, very good points about questions surrounding the placing of the toddler gate and I agree it is a very peculiar/perplexing part of the story. Good question about Gabby also--only info given about her is she was sleeping in Elisha's room and normally shared a room with Ayla. Also no mention of Phoebe in the story.

Maggie said...

One thing my mind keeps going back to w Justin crashing through the baby gate is that it is the one and only action that demonstrates Justin's alarmed concern for Ayla having "disappeared". It is sensitive and it is suspicious but I wonder if it is a red herring so to speak, because she had to include some kind of action to show the panic? Just a thought.

Masquerade said...

Possibly.

One thing is for sure. If the gate was a pressure mount gate (or maybe any kind, idk), LE could most likely tell by the scuff/marks, if the gate was in fact crashed through, while heading up the stairs, as opposed to down (down possibly indicating an accident).

That brings up another possibility. Maybe Justin did crash through it, while going up, but not exactly at that time. Maybe previously, if he was angry due to having to care for Ayla, or she was fussy, wouldn't sleep, etc.

Who knows. But LE probably has a good idea, from studying the gate itself, and the door way.

Anonymous said...

Possibly.
If Elisha confesses and gives precise details, the crime can be solved. Ayla can be found...

Anonymous said...

"There was always question as to if it had something to do with Ayla's disappearance, whether there was an actual accident involving the gate, or a fit of rage involving the gate."

I've always thought the household had to come up with an explanation for the cops of how the gate got broken.

Their story of the gate was written as a "told to me" by Angela Harry, Heidi Tudela's cousin.

(The DiPietros themselves, say next to nothing...everybody else does their talking for them.)

Angela Harry mentions the gate in a way that shows the anxiety and panic in Daddy Dearest as he rushes up the stairs to find his precious little girl. Did we ever see Justin anxious and in a panic over his daughter? Did he ever express anything like concern for her in the hands of "an evil psycho who steals babies"? (Derek Tudela' s description of the abductor?) Did any of the DiPietros or their supporters ever express worry over how Ayla was faring in captivity?

The gate might have been broken, but I'll bet whatever the explanation for it, it was to put Justin in a good light. Daddy Justin just cared so much when he heard Elisha say"Ayla is not in her bed!" that he immediately rushed up the stairs, breaking the gate, when he hadn't even begun to search the house and grounds for Ayla.

In any event Angels harry wanted very soon to drop all mention of the broken gate, as if she should not have mentioned it at all. If you ask Justin supporters about the gate, they will likely scream at you, "WE DON"T KNOW, now shut up about the gate!"

I wonder where LE found the gate. And was it even broken that morning? it might very well be a red herring.

Anonymous said...

What is the great significance of Angela Harris' letter when she is a cousin of Heidi Tudela and is going to say what she is told to say and has been led to believe? Why attach any significance to it when you already know that the DiPukes are liars, that Justin brutally murdered his baby girl, and that the Tudelas' will say anything they feel necessary to get him off the hook?

Jen said...

Hi Anon 9:45-

Because there is information to be gleaned, even from a lie.

Always remember,

"The subject is dead, the statement is alive."

Maggie said...

Anon @ 9:45--The significance is someone told her this story. Figuring out who told it and what exactly the person who told her meant to conceal is extremely important. The letter is a hybrid: it is a combination of Angela's "bleeding heart" social worker type lingo (ie. "support network") combined with what I feel may be a professional white collar male. Certain expressions like "if-then scenario" I believe point to this. I have asked several people in the past few days if they have ever used this expression and they have said "no". Point being it is an odd and somewhat unusual expression.

Maggie said...

The phrase "if-then scenario": there is a likelihood the person who fed Angela this phrase works in a field or studied in college some type of analytical/logic-based subject. Examples would be computers, economics, math, accounting, etc.

Maggie said...

Actually the exact way AH wrote it was "if-then" scenario--I googled this with it in quotes this way. A quick look at what google brings up are people asking questions about setting up "Excel" spreadsheets and also someone asking a question about "betting on accounts" (I'm pretty sure this was a stock market ques.).

Anonymous said...

Maggie said...
The phrase "if-then scenario": there is a likelihood the person who fed Angela this phrase works in a field or studied in college some type of analytical/logic-based subject. Examples would be computers, economics, math, accounting, etc.

Maggie, how about people trained to be insurance agents? Like De-wreck Tudela.

BTW, Derek is busting a gut over Trista's revelatioin that LE called the DiPoetro house a mess and "near to being a hoarder's house" Derek said that when he saw it before LE got there, it was not a mess, no beer bottles and clothes everywhere, but it was a mess after the cops were there.

Derek intimates that it's possible the cops put the beer bottles all around the basement. He doesn't come right out and say it, but leaves it open-ended so reader's get the idea.

Derek was obviously there before the cops were on the 17th and was there after the cops had finished with the investigation. Derek is incensed that LE left the house in such a mess.

Derek gets around and I now believe he had much imput into Angela Harry's account of the night when someone "disappeared" Ayla, although AH did put some Lifetime Movie Network soap suds into the the tale.

So I'm thinking Derek and Mama Tudela for the most part are the authors of the account. They wanted to beatify Courtney to make Trista look bad. And at the same time devalue Ayla as a product of Trista's near rape of Justin.

it's very imnportant that everyone out there believed that Justin and Courtney were in a long-term relationship (They were not from Courtney's own writings on a baby blog.) while Trista inveigled Justin into a one-night stand for sex and sperm donation.

Derek hates Trista and he supposedly never met her. Justin did a through job on Trista with Derek. Everyone around him seems to fall for Justin's manipulations. Especialy a lot of ga-ga women online.

Shades of Ronald Cummings.

Maggie said...


Anon @ 4:48--Absolutely. I agree with everything you've written.

I have been busy and haven't been able to get on here, but earlier in the day it occurred to me how Peter, in his analysis of the AH letter, had pointed out the change in language that occurs during this sentence that we've been discussing when the writer suddenly uses the word "case".

Below is the section of writing and underneath it I will write the sentence itself by itself:

Angela Harry states:


"There were, however, some dynamics there that made it difficult. This isn't the appropriate place to discuss it, but it is important to note that Ayla has two parents that love her, who don't happen to have a relationship with each other beyond co-parenting. It matters because sometimes it sets the stage for people to understand the dynamics better and helps people not to create "if-then" scenarios that don't apply in this particular case."


"It matters because sometimes it sets the stage for people to understand the dynamics better and helps people not to create "if-then" scenarios that don't apply in this particular case."

What occurred to me is why not just google the entire phrase ""if-then" scenarios that don't apply in this particular case." So I did.

2 things that google brings up on the first page (that are including these words "if-then" scenarios that don't apply in this particular case") somewhere within the writing perhaps broken up (1) a page where a lawyer is answering questions about wills and estates and (2) an article discussing what kinds of questions that are asked on the LSAT which is an exam used to get into law school.

Peter had pointed out how there was a change in language where the writer suddenly uses the word "case" which could certainly be viewed as a legal term, so in my opinion, it is definitely possible that while forming this sentence the person feeding AH the info was thinking in legal terms when they inserted this phrase "if-then" scenario.
Even the way in which the info feeder points out at this part of the letter that the parents do not have a relationship "beyond co-parenting" could be viewed as someone thinking in legal terms.
Anyway, just my 2 sense for what it's worth.

Anonymous said...

I think this is an interesting SA point:

Maggie said...
Could Derek's statement calling the kidnapper "the evil psycho who steals babies" indicate an alliance between himself and Phoebe?

Descriptions of the kidnapper as given by the following individuals:

Derek:
1) evil
2) psycho
3) steals babies (plural)

Phoebe:
1) cases the house
2) watches the family's activities
3) gave her a "creepy feeling"
4) created "oddities" in the house

Justin:
1) may believe what they are doing is
right
2) has no right (to have taken Ayla)
3) should send a "signal"
4) should be given immunity
5) is not her (Ayla's) parent"

October 6, 2013 at 11:21 PM

Anonymous said...

I am anon 6:23, I believe Justin hurried a plan to disappear Ayla for LIP and botched everything when Trista made legal moves to get Ayla back. Now the others involved in the original plan-gone-wrong are trying to cover for Justin.

Elysia is covering for Phoebe, I think Phoebe disposed of Ayla.

Maggie said...

Anon @ 6:29--I think we're pretty much on the same page with how we view the case. I believe there are linguistic indicators Phoebe may have disposed of Ayla. I think you're onto something with their plan being "hurried" bc of Trista filing for custody. Elisha I am in the fence about, and it may be just bc I just can't bring myself to believe that there wasn't one person in that hellhouse treating Ayla OK. But what you say makes sense--Phoebe is gone that night and Elisha "covers for her". I am also very suspicious of the Tudela's being involved.

Jazzie said...

MAGGIE:

I sometimes revisit sites. There is an interesting thread and the language of one repeating commenter uses the terms "breeder" and really ranks on Trista being a welfare mom. The commenter is really angry. Don't know if anyone has seen this thread or has SA'd it:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/south-portland-me/TKDQPU8O2QO222V3V.

When I last visited it, Trista's sister was the only one who had posted. I was quite surprised at the length of the thread and the focus of one person in Lewiston, ME.

As always... just wondering.

Maggie said...

I wish, at some point, Peter would do another analysis on the AH letter or throw it out there to be analyzed again. He is better at this than me!
I wonder if it is worth looking at the letter again specifically looking for who fed Angela the info.
There is something about this letter--I feel like I hear a second "voice" in it. I feel like this "voice" gives itself away in the "if-then" scenario sentence, but also there is something else--there is something about the last paragraph where I am just simply hearing a lawyer's "closing argument". It is hard to explain, but I believe this info may have been fed to her by someone who either A) is a lawyer B) works closely with lawyers or C) has studied law. Maybe sometime Peter could look at it and see what he thinks.

Maggie said...

Jazzie--Thank you for this information and link and I will look at it, that is extremely strange about the "breeder" comments again!

AJ said...

To Maggie:
"It matters because sometimes it sets the stage for people to understand the dynamics better and helps people not to create "if-then" scenarios that don't apply in this particular case."

look at the sentence...take out the sensitive negatives(sometimes, not, don't)..

I think it explains or shows proof of the 'plan' of gaining custody and continuing farther. The writer is asking us to not believe the stage was set and wants us to ignore the dynamics and if-then scenarios that apply in this PARTICULAR case... So... We ask, what are they? List all of them in this case, one of them is correct, for the writer says it matters...

What do you get with 'set the stage' , understand the dynamics, and if-then scenarios because IT MATTERS...in this particular case...to me these 3 phrases tell what happened to Ayla.....

This "particular case" gives ownership to Ayla..I may be reaching but it may help others' thoughts to flow.

Maggie said...

Jazzie--Wow! I just read through them--the guy's going on multiple screen names out of Lewiston, ME. The first two under the screen name Facts Not Fiction.
They all should be analyzed.

My guess is that they were written by Derek:
Here is one quote:

"DO NOT BURDEN US WITH THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF ANY MORE OF YOUR ONE NIGHT STAND BABIES!"

You can see here the "one night stand" terminology that Derek uses in one of the two brief online comments I've seen under his name on FB.

The posts written by this poster out of Lewiston, ME need to be analyzed. They contain vicious anger towards Trista, at one point he says that the tax payers will have to support her "until she drops dead" at age 89. The posts also contain extremely degrading attacks on Trista referring to her private parts. One of these insults was so degrading that my jaw just dropped reading it. This is extremely alarming and is a red flag for someone capable of dangerous levels of violence.
Also, the last line of his first post is extremely concerning. I will copy and paste the first comment if anyone would like do analysis.

Maggie said...

Here is the 1st comment from someone with the screen name Facts not Fiction.

"Your sister did not seek treatment 'on her own'!
Nice try rewriting history!
After a fight with you and the Police were alerted, Trista was given the choice of 'lose the booze or lose your kids' and she entered rehab in order to maintain her poverty mama paychecks from the State.
A welfare motel is NOT a stable home FYI and living on welfare is NOT providing!
Do tell when Trista PROVIDED food or shelter for her children!
The State has supported her unplanned pregnancies, paid all her medical bills and now her rehab!
On top of your other ridiculously FALSE claims, it is rumored that YOU have had your children taken by HPPS and put in foster care!
How ridiculous for YOU, whose OWN children were taken away to give your wefare scum sis a five star review!
Trista needs to get her tubes tied and get a job!
When did Trista last support herself, much less her children?
Baby #2s father is in prison serving 9 years! The fine State of Maine will have to support that child until he is 18 as his parents NEVER will!
Ayla never stood a chance with your dead beat family of leeches!"

Maggie said...

Here is comment #2 from the person going by the screen name Facts Not Fiction.

"Praying, asking for help is one thing.
Being a permanent parasite on society is another.
Ayla's mother is STILL living in a section 8 motel on our dime..how long WILL this go on?
Probably until her baby #2 from her prison daddy serving 18 years (9 suspended) is 18 years old!
Do you really think Trista would arrange for daycare? Of course not! She will claim she can NOT work!
WE ARE STUCK SUPPORTING TRISTA AND HER SPAWN UNTIL SHE DIES AT 89 YEARS OLD!
Have you heard she wants to sue HPPS and the father of her missing baby for big bucks? That's right! Cha Ching!
Trista will NEVER look for employment! When WAS her last job anyway?
Post Trista's work history if she is so industrious, I dare you!
*crickets/she's a fking deadbeat!
Trista is not doing ONE SINGLE THING to get off the dole!
She is NOT seeking education nor employment! She is collecting her paychecks from the State like ALWAYS!
There is serious doubt she is attending nightly AA meetings, though she still has baby #2 under her care.
Show me ONE job application in the last year from Trista Reynolds!
C'mon..just ONE!
I thought NOT!
She doesn't take birth control, she just breeds more and more babies that WE have to support!
Please Trista! TIE YOUR TUBES!
I will start a fundraiser to pay for the surgery for your sterilization!
DO NOT BURDEN US WITH THE FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF ANY MORE OF YOUR ONE NIGHT STAND BABIES!
Trista is a heartless bitch who has lost one child and has nothing to offer her second child but grief and a lifetime of illiteracy and poverty.
Let him go to a GOOD HOME where he can at least learn to speak proper english, Trista!
LIKE YEAH!
Give your kid a chance to enjoy his childhood instead of live the ghetto life with you and your loser pals with benefits!
Adopt him out to a family who is READY for children and not braindead drug addict psycho drunks! PLEASE!
If you love your kid then let him live a better life than stuck with a loser schmuck like you!"


There are other comments on the thread this was taken from what is obviously the same person changing screen names out of Lewiston, ME that contain extremely degrading, very very concerning language that should also be looked at/analyzed.

Jazzie said...

MAGGIE:
RE: The infamous AH letter which was posted on TLLOM
"The phrase "if-then scenario": there is a likelihood the person who fed Angela this phrase works in a field or studied in college some type of analytical/logic-based subject. Examples would be computers, economics, math, accounting, etc."

Isn't Phoebe in accounting/finance auditing working for the State or City? I can't find a link right now but I thought she she was employed by the state/city to work in some financial way.

Jazzie said...

Should've had a warning before I posted that link.
It's pretty harsh and compulsive.

Masquerade said...

Wow, that was interesting, Jazzie. Thanks for posting it. The first comments do seem to resemble comments from Derek. Then later comments seemed to resemble things that the lies blog said, such as the weight gain and pregnancy comments. I can't tell if they all seem to be from the same person. What do you think? They definitely were relentless though.

Masquerade said...

Why is the person so obsessed with Trista having received state assistance? Like that makes her involved in Ayla's disappearance, how?

Justin has 2 kids, with 2 different mothers. What's the difference? Is/was he supporting them? What about the female DiPietro's, did they receive assistance?

Whatever point the person is trying to make, really doesn't make sense to me. I guess it's just to try to get people to not like Trista. To like her or not to like her, doesn't change whatever happened to Ayla, which happened at the DiPietro's house.

Masquerade said...

I also don't understand why people keep claiming that Trista lost custody of Ayla. That's not what happened. She didn't lose custody, and dhhs didn't remove Ayla.

Jazzie said...

Masquerade:

I was surprised at the length of the thread [and by one particular commenter] as I revisit sites out of curiosity...
F-N-F Lewiston, ME [same commenter w/multiple names] started posting on March 6, 2012

Article in Morning Sentinel, March 11, 2012"
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Father-friends-say-its-possible-cops-say-no-way.html?pagenum=full

Just seems too coincidental to brush off.

The language, this site I just posted, the Tudela interview, the language which has "breeder", "case" and "involved". I know that "case" and "involved" comes from another source.

Jazzie said...

Masquerade:
"I also don't understand why people keep claiming that Trista lost custody of Ayla. That's not what happened. She didn't lose custody, and dhhs didn't remove Ayla."

http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/police-log-offers-insight-into-custody-questions_2011-12-30.html?pageType=mobile&id=1

Anonymous said...

Could the lewiston commenter be Phoebe?

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