Monday, February 24, 2014

Heather Elvis: Murdered



Murder!

The beautiful young daughter of Terry Elvis died as a result of murder, by Sidney and Tammy Moorer, according to new charges.


Tammy Moorer raged against Heather Elvis, even while dead, in her ranting post that did not show any intention on concealing her contempt. 


According to arrest warrants:  Heather Elvis was kidnapped and murdered at the Peachtree Boat Landing in Socastee.  This may be where the surveillance video was recovered. 
Warrant:  Sidney Moorer, Tammy Moorer..."did unlawfully, without just or sufficient cause, murder Heather Elvis with malice forethought...did unlawfully seize, confine, kidnap, abduct or carry away Heather Elvis by any means whatsoever without the authority of the law."
Both Tammy and Sidney are scheduled to appear March 17, 2014, for a bond hearing.  It is not expected that they will be released.  Someone from the Elvis family intends to address the court at this hearing.  
It appears that sometime in the early hours of December 18, 2013, Sidney  lured Heather out of the safety of her apartment where she was to meet with him.  Then, Heather met with both Sidney and Tammy, who, according to the charges, exposed themselves, hence, the additional charges.  

Even as Tammy was telling a blogger that Sidney fully cooperated, he was obstructing justice as early as December 20th, and refused to polygraph.  Apparently, searches of the home has yielded evidence.  The exposure charges are also related directly to Heather's murder, which may now be considered as a sexual homicide, though no motive is named in the charges.  Tammy and Sidney Moorer both exposed themselves during the kidnapping. 

This case is very likely to produce some very disturbing and disgusting details. 

The warrant is here

120 comments:

polywog said...

R.I.P. Heather, prayers to your family.

The link below has the warrants and a lot of new info. She drove herself to the boat landing where she was murdered.

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_9134b14e-9d67-11e3-a5f5-0017a43b2370.html?mode=jqm

Anonymous said...

That Photo of all those men staring at Sidney is incredible. the pyramid of contempt that surrounds him - it's like the subverted last supper.

Randie said...

Arrest warrants obtained by the Carolina Forest Chronicle on Sunday state the obstruction of justice charges stem from statements made on December 20, the day after Heather Elvis was reported missing.

Tammy Moorer's obstruction of justice warrant states she:

"prevented, impeded or interfered with an investigation to include but not limited to providing and creating false, misleading and/or inaccurate information regarding the disappearance of Heather Elvis AND HER AND SIDNEY Moorer's activities in the EARLY morning hours of December 18th, 2013."

Nancy Grace is going to air this tonight.

Anonymous said...

http://dambrom.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/the-last-supper-1498-leonardo-da-vinci/

just to compare these two images. (above w/ sidney walking into court) . -- what a way to visually capture the story. it's like he's the devil. and it's the last supper in antethesis. what a photo.

Lemon said...

One hopes the smirk is now off Tammy Moorer's face.

JoAnn said...

@Anonymous at 3:40
Yes, a picture paints a thousand words. Those expressions capture what the rest of us are thinking. This couple took a family's hope for the future away, and justice will be served when their future is taken away.

Anonymous said...

Peter, the analysis that you perform is extraordinary. I am not surprised about the charges, however I am surprised the police are finally following thru on the charges. I have seen mainly with the most famous cases of missing persons and children on your blog, people literally getting away with murder. I mean cases featured on your blog.

Susan said...

Peter,

I have two questions for chelsea hoffman:

1. What does the word, "common" mean?

2. What does the word "phenomenon" mean?

Here is her writing:

"...that she has either crafted the "open relationship" story to protect her husband after she "said too much" on Facebook. Or the two of them really did have an open relationship and it's something that she personally struggles with. The latter would be a common phenomenon, and the former is also a possibility. "

What is a "common phenomenon"?? This made me laugh!!

I also want to ask her what does this sentence mean: "...probably and probably not"??

"Could all of this just be a ploy to deflect suspicion? Probably, and probably not."

Is this an example of how not to commit to an opinion?
Is this a new way to never be wrong?


This reads like the NYC public school article you posted!

Sella35 said...

Where are/were the Moorer children during all of this? I haven't seen the ages of the children, just know that their are 3 in the home. Also, do the Moorers live near the Caisons? Anyone know? TIA

polywog said...

Lots of new info in link below.
*LE knew of the Disney Vacation from social media and followed them and had them in their sites the whole way.
*Kidnapping does not necessarily mean leaving with someone but not letting them leave.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/02/24/4052596/couple-to-face-murder-charges.html

Peter Hyatt said...

Anonymous,

thank you for the compliment. In this case, I only analyzed Terry Elvis' statement and saw that he was truthful. He read it, thanked me for it, as he had grown weary from attacks on himself while he desperately sought information from the Moorers.

Although not statement analysis, my opinion that Tammy's post did not show knowledge of the crime was wrong.

When a guilty person disparages the victim, (before being caught), the person will do it in a subtle way, not in an open and vicious way.

Tammy Mooer openly attacked Heather, which looking back, is frightening. She did not even try to conceal her contempt.

Her lack of attempt to hide her contempt led me to believe she did not know what Sidney had done. Not only was I wrong, but way wrong: she was present for the kidnapping and murder!

Peter

Red Ryder said...

The picture of SM walking into the courtroom with his head bowed, hands shackled, while every other man looks on in...what? Disgust? Repulsion? Judgement? Curiosity? Wariness? I see all of these in the men who surround him. SM is like Cain, who bears a mark upon him that sets him apart from all.
The weight of the mark is beginning to settle upon him and it is crushing.

Anonymous said...

The Moorers have 2 sons, 14 and 8 yrs old, and a 12 yr old daughter.

polywog said...

I read they were with her dad which is on the same property (seperate house). The moorers built their house in her dads back yard.

Nanna Frances said...

Both of these people are evil! Will they tell where Heather's body is? Probably not! Tammy is enjoy the Elvis' family suffering.

I hope I am wrong.

Anonymous said...

Seems to me tammy might turn out to be the real psycho in all of this. seems to me her motive went beyond jealousy to a need to have full control. I really wonder if she controlled Sidney to some extent -- not in anyway making him less guilty -- but all the same -- I get the impression this crime was a result of her desire more so than his.

Anonymous said...

that is weird that she built her house in her dads backyard. maybe lots of people do that -- but it weirds me out.,

anyway -- also -- it could go to why she had upper hand. Sidney would be out on his own without a home while still having to support 3 kids if he didn't go along with Tammy.

Red Ryder said...

Hello Sella35, The M children are between 9 and 14 years, so old enough to read. I feel badly for them. I hope they are in a safe, loving place.

Anonymous said...

yeah those three kids -- uhgh -- super awful glad they at least have each other.

JoAnn said...

Peter,
I think we all had the same reaction to Tammy's FB rant. We have seen over & over the subtle disparagement of victim by perpetrator, the overly polite responses to police by guilty parties. I can't remember such an overt raging toward a victim - while the rest of the world thinks this young woman is missing, the woman who was present at & participated in her murder uses social media to tell LE & everyone else of her animosity. Her compulsion to "share" in this way is like watching a prosecutor break someone down on the witness stand...except TM just volunteered this. I have a feeling that rage is her "go to" emotion & state of mind.

Anonymous said...

A extravagant house too. They did not have great paying jobs.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Tammy ever really gave away her guilt in her speech. we can look back and say - oh well she didn't explain where she was at time of murder so that means she didn't do expected so we shouldna known she is guilty. and maybe that's true --

but nobody in this case declared a clear alibi. so it really wasn't a conclusive hint,

she really felt no shame. it's interesteing while we could look at josh Bearden and say well he sounded guilty as hell but now we realize he just sounded guilty because he felt guilty because he realized it was likely suicide . yet he was innocent. and then we have tammy -- how more of less sounded innocent. she sounded nasty and mean - but innocent of whatever happened, but I bet she felt zero remorse or shame and this led to her talking like she had nothing to hide. guilt and sounding guilty sure gets dispersed in a multidimensional spectrum.

Anonymous said...

perhaps maintaining the lifestyle - extravagant house ,etc - was part of Sidneys motive. if he knew there was no way he could replicate that for himself on his own.

Anonymous said...

The fact that their house is very nice doesn't bother me, given Sidney's occupation. As a remodeler he would know how to do high end work on a budget, and would have access to contractor rates for materials and supplies. They also didn't have to pay for the property it's on. I'm more curious about the multiple vacations.

I think TM is the ultimate narcissist. She obviously views herself as a very desireable, beautiful woman. The knowledge that SM cheated on her must have devastated her to the core, yet she couldn't let on that it did -- hence, making up a boyfriend of 2 years.

Anonymous said...

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/02/24/4052596/couple-to-face-murder-charges.html

in this article the police mention a blouse and toothpaste as things that would be improper to mention. I don't really get what he means. i'm reading into it that they found "unmentionables", but maybe thats reading too into it

Anonymous said...

yeah -- I agree on Tamm'ys psychology. but I'm sure sure sure she was actually super insecure, as really would have been a reasonable response to how she looks -- and her pride was a result of that insecurity. she was probably much hotter some years back and built her identity on her ability to seduce. maybe she was even abused by her father who she stuck so close to. or it could have been myriad of somehwat normal cultural things that put her on a path where her whole self worth was tied up in her ability to be desired. and it was unbearable to her to lose that.

Randie said...

Richardson said he wants the public to know kidnapping doesn’t necessarily mean someone being taken to another location.

“Keep in mind, kidnapping is simply keeping someone from being able to leave,” Richardson said

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Ok....I understand the "doesn't mean someone taken to another location"....

However, Heather isn't where her car was found, so, she must have "been taken to another location"...

If she is not near her car then, how do you kidnap and murder someone without taking them to another location?

This doesn't make sense to me.

Maggie said...

I was just reading some comments under a newspaper article about the Tammy and Sidney arrests. Someone commented that a 32 year old woman named Angela Pipkin went missing 2 miles from where Heather Elvis went missing on the date of
January 16, 2014. This seems strange enough that I thought I would mention it here.

Anonymous said...

on a old facebook post tammy had spoke about their open relationship well before heather went missing.

Anonymous said...

being desired can be addivtively intoxicating if you don't also value other aspects of yourself, and no doubt in some cases the addiction could be so strong it could lead to madness as the "magic" indeffinately slips away

I mean if snow white is such a lasting archetypal story -- Tammy can't be the first or the last evil queen

Anonymous said...

something is not right about the cops story in regards to heathers car.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
on a old facebook post tammy had spoke about their open relationship well before heather went missing.

February 24, 2014 at 4:59 PM
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When you say, "well before" what do you mean?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
on a old facebook post tammy had spoke about their open relationship well before heather went missing.

February 24, 2014 at 4:59 PM
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When you say, "well before" what do you mean?

Sus said...

She wasn't allowed to leave alive.

Anonymous said...

I am rEALLY curoius what the evidence of kidnapping and murder turn out to be. without knowing that my mind holds on to the sliver of doubt -- that there are even more twists and turns to this case.

Terrance said...

Refusing a polygraph is not obstruction. -fyi

Anonymous said...

I though the dogs couldn't pick up heathers scent at Peachtree, thats what initial reports said,

far as I know dogs always pick up scent if scent is there to be picked up.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I am rEALLY curoius what the evidence of kidnapping and murder turn out to be. without knowing that my mind holds on to the sliver of doubt -- that there are even more twists and turns to this case.

February 24, 2014 at 5:04 PM
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The article in the local paper is more thorough and explains it in more detail -- kidnapping charge was serious enough that they could "hold" them until they could work with other LE agencies to develop a murder charge over the weekend. Think of "kidnapping" as a placeholder charge until the more serious charges could be filed. This was really awesome police work.

Anonymous said...

how much has really changed I wonder. from the suspicion that surrounded the moorers to now,

what is this evidence??

is it indeed conclusive??

if I learn of conclusive evidence - done I"ll believe it, i almost believe it now.

but I agree with other posters -- the car activity theory sounds shaky. & it's still strange that tammy's statements did not indicate guilt --- though they did not indicate innosence either. & damn if they didn't do a lot over the course of that night/ early morning with all that indecent exposure and kidnapping and murder.

i'm ready to believe it when it's proven -- but I'm snagging on a few things still.

Randie said...

The obstruction of justice is to include but not limited to:

1.providing
2.and creating false,
3.misleading and/or
4.inaccurate information

regarding:

1.the disappearance of Heather Elvis

2.and her (Tammy) and Sidneys Moorer's activities in the EARLY morning hours of December 18th 2014

Anonymous said...

got to have a body and motive, and a smoking gun. ok so they can fake it on the body by showing a large amount of blood which proves a body dead somewhere. but they have also to prove motive, it cant just be some cops hair-brained theory, they have to prove motive. with an open relationship as a motive alibi, i don't think cops can prove motive.

kidnapping can also include or be defined as, knowing where someone is and not telling.

polywog said...

The statute when listing all the ways to kidnap has decoy listed.

Anonymous said...

Chelsea Hoffman is a joke,jmho. how anyone can think she has one ounce of credibility is beyond me. As for Peter "mis-reading" Tammy's statement, a true sociopath is very hard to read. She displayed the opposite of what would be expected.

Kellie Sue said...

My prayer is for the Moorers to speak and let the Elvis family know where they can find their daughter!

I imagine they won't until someone cuts them a deal. Once again holding this family hostage just to cover their own asses.

I believe we will see details emerge that there is an uncommon sort of sexual deviancy involved in this and I doubt it began with Heather.

Terrence said...

Nobody has to prove motive. It's used by LE to determine who. It's not required by the law or a jury.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
got to have a body and motive, and a smoking gun. ok so they can fake it on the body by showing a large amount of blood which proves a body dead somewhere. but they have also to prove motive, it cant just be some cops hair-brained theory, they have to prove motive. with an open relationship as a motive alibi, i don't think cops can prove motive.

kidnapping can also include or be defined as, knowing where someone is and not telling.

February 24, 2014 at 5:16 PM
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Will the "boyfriend" of Tammy Moorer please stand up and identify himself as a lover? Because I'm not buying it. Tammy found out that her husband cheated on her months ago, her ego was trashed and she started floating this story that it was OK with her just to save a little face. That's when she started posting for him, on his page, around November 2013, about what an "amazing" woman she is and how he never really knew it. (After getting married in 1997? It took him until 2013 to discover that she's "amazing"?) That "open relationship" story was total bunk to make it look as if she -- the ugly, bloated. jilted wife -- didn't care that her husband was banging some cute young chick.

I find it interesting that on Valentines Day she wrote him the "love note" that proclaimed her sorrow for ditching on him in 2009 (five years later???) and how she BEGGED him to leave but he stayed anyway. (Due, of course, to her total hotness and sexiness.) I don't believe this ever happened either.

Since Sidney hooked up with Heather, Tammy has tried a lot of ill attempts at very public rationalizing and image building.

Anonymous said...

seems to me this case is built off wild imaginations and twisted circumstantial evidence or in other words bull chit. they are hoping one of them will crack, but sadly, they didn't do it so they won't be able to crack.

Randie said...

Anonymous said...

seems to me this case is built off wild imaginations and twisted circumstantial evidence or in other words bull chit. they are hoping one of them will crack, but sadly, they didn't do it so they won't be able to crack.
______________________

Be careful not to be walking on thin ice. There are charges based on facts. Charges of kidnapping, indecent exposure, and murder. LE have videos/cameras that show the facts.

Sella35 said...
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S + K Mum said...

Oh this case is so sad. I am dreading hearing the details of Heather's fate.
For her family to live with this, knowing that these two people have murdered their beautiful daughter through jealousy, is just horrific.
I do feel for the children of the Moorer's. It's such a tragedy that they didn't think about their own children either before they did this. Selfish and evil.

Sella35 said...

@anon 5:01pm, you should pick a name.

Being truthful does not mean the person is innocent...prime example Peter posted was about Bill Clinton and his "sexual relations"... being deceptive does not mean that the person is guilty. A good example is the Sierra case, where her mom was deceptive because of guilt she felt.

You are familiar with the site. You should also be familiar with the fact that many of us have, "opinions or theories" That is what a lot of posters post, based on SA, I think that includes our host, at times.

After many years of reading SA and being an active member of this blog, it still amuses me that so many people try to "point-a-fault at Peter and his writings".

A lot of times it is from people who can not fathom anything else. Or, it is from people who are natural liars and they can not comprehend actual truth.

Then we have the people in a certain "camp" if you will, those who are sure XYZ is innocent and take offense that Peter would suggest otherwise.

Then we have the "I am smarter than you" types, you know the ones, let's put someone down, to make us appear superior.

When you speak condescendingly to someone, that normally means you are in the last category. This is just my personal opinion.

I strongly suggest, you should go read very old blog posts and try to educate yourself on SA, if you wish to be critical.

Anonymous said...

sella, there are those who cannot put together or come up with a thought of their own and will either agree or disagree with other people just to be a part of the conversation. they are only reacting.

Anonymous said...

I've got 10 bucks that says Sidney's "Tammy" tattoo is recent... he didn't get that two years ago... it was a part of her plan....

S + K Mum said...

@ Anon 5.26

Who do you think 'did it'? Genuine question, you seem very sure it wasn't the Moorer's so you must have an idea why it wasn't them or who it was.

Randie said...

Someone posted charges are based on:

"wild imaginations and twisted circumstantial evidence"

Interesting choice of words. In the United States criminal law--[probable cause] is the "standard" by which an officer or LE has the grounds to obtain a warrant for making an arrest, conducting a personal search or property search.

Probable Cause is also used in the "standard" to which a grand jury believes that a crime has been committed.

This term comes from the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution.

In Moorer's case: there is actual, statistical probability, supported by circumstances sufficiently STRONG to justify two arrests for Murder.

Anonymous said...

What took LE so long? Or did they just now receive the surveilance video??

Randie said...

Interesting:

Horry County Solicitor Jimmy Richardson said the charges stem from "direct evidence" found at the Moorer's home and property. and circumstantial evidence from the entire case

Maggie said...

Anon--Yes, sociopaths are very hard to read. Having been raised by one, I will tell you certain things to look for:

1) Answering questions with questions (oftentimes while feigning they do not quite understand what you asking). They will do this frequently, and it is very effective.

2) They are masters at creating lies to get out of being caught in their lie. You could have a mountain of evidence against them, but without hesitating they will quickly come up with another lie.

3) Feigning forgetfulness ("I couldn't remember that" ("that" being something they were instructed not to do at work, home, etc.),
feigning lack of intelligence ("I'm not smart enough to figure out how to do that" ("that" being a deceptive action they actually did).
4) Very calculating
5) Very manipulative
6) No remorse
7) Masquerading as someone "without sin": a quick word about this---sociopaths know what they are doing (cold, calculating, immoral, sometimes sadistic) so what is the best way to disguise this? Go to the other extreme. What they present to the world will oftentimes be someone who is a living saint! This mask is oftentimes VERY difficult to see through. You will sense that something is "off", but sociopaths have these masks absolutely "glued on". They do not want you to see what is underneath the mask.

sidenote: Someone once gave me the advice "Do not be worried about someone who doesn't really seem to like you, or is grumpy towards you, etc. You do not need to worry about this person. BE WARY of the person who acts like they would never, ever do anything to hurt you." Looking back on this advice, it could easily be about sociopaths.
Was it Ted Bundy who would pretend he had a broken leg so that people would think he was helpless and harmless and try to help him? This is what sociopaths do. Oftentimes it is not as obvious as pretending to have a broken leg, more of an emotional pity ploy that they are so helpless and hapless and would never, ever hurt anyone.

Jen Ow said...

Hi anon 5:16

Actually, LE and Prosecutors do NOT have to present a motive in order to charge, or to take a case to trial.

An obvious motive is helpful when a jury is involved, but proving motive is not an element of charging or prosecution.

JoAnn said...

@Anonymous at 5:01
I think Peter clearly said he was giving his opinion of Tammy's facebook rant, and this was not a statement analysis application. He also clearly said that his opinion about her innocence, based on what most of us feel when we see a writing such as hers, was wrong. So, no, he has no need to "back" Tammy Moorer against all evidence that LE has gathered. That's just silly. If, and that's a big IF, Peter's statement analysis is applied and is incorrect, I'm sure he will be the first to say so. I have yet to see an instance where SA is applied and is just plain wrong.

Randie said...

According to newly-obtained arrest warrants for Tammy and Sidney Moorer, the HCPD states there is probable cause to believe that they kidnapped Heather Elvis and murdered her AT Peachtree Boat Landing on December 18, 2013.

Capt. Dale Buchanan with Horry County Police said, "We have evidence that will be processed with us. SLED is assisting us with processing some of the forensic evidence. Is some of that evidence DNA? Yes."

00000000000000000

I guess this is why we were told one doesn't have to be moved to another location be kidnapped. One of them probably blocked her from leaving. Then killed her right there. While she was alive she was not kidnapped and moved to another location. Sad, she didn't even have a chance.

JH said...

Phenomenon: any observable occurrence.....

Jen Ow said...

Anon 5:01 said,

"Peter - Didn't your statement analysis of Tammy's post conclude that she was unaware of anything related to the disappearance? Shouldn't you be defending Tammy now since your expertise convinced you that she wasn't directly involved? Certainly she will say she was innocent - that she was only apprehended for obvious reasons. How can you so quickly turn your back on yourself?"
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The analysis was based on her FB posting, not on a statement where she discussed her or Sidney's involement in Heather's disappearance. If the analysis had been on a statement directly addressing or 'denying' their involvement, then her guilty knowledge would have likely been detected.

Peter stated he was wrong about his OPINION that TM's overt rage and disparaging likely meant she was not involved. This was not based an SA (as Peter stated above), but rather on common sense. It is not common or expected for someone to commit a murder, and then advertise their hatred for the victim, branding themselves an obvious suspect.

Most of us would likely agree a guilty person doesn't want to appear guilty, when the stakes are so high (LIP/Death penalty)...therefore Peters's opinion about her guilt based on her outrageously callous behavior was logical. However as it turned out, Tammy is a special brand of evil. She was able to speak of her victim with extreme contempt, and plot/perpetrate a heinous crime against a girl only a few years older than her own daughter.

I truly dread learning the details of Heather's last minutes, after seeing the level of hatred in TM's words.

Anonymous said...

somebody close to tammy must know she's been crazy for a while.

Anonymous said...

PETER STOP DELETING MY PORTIONS/INPUT!!!STOP ACTING LIKE A SOVIET!!!!!

Maggie said...

"Anon 08:03"I bet your car doors are BLACK.

Anonymous said...

Note to anonymous @ 8:47: stop acting like a moron.

Anonymous said...

I agree, Peter should stand behind his analysis what ever it concluded. Peter should now be fighting that Tammy is innocent instead of doubting his work.

Anonymous said...

https://www.facebook.com/SidneyandTammyMoorerInnocent

JoAnn said...

@Anonymous
Please, please, please choose an identity.
It's just crazy-making when Anonymous disagrees with...Anonymous

Randie said...

This was posted by Tammy Moorer on February 20th:

"Enough is enough and today THIS family will start filing charges against everyone we possibly can. I will no longer feel SORRY for you or let ignorance be your excuse.

With that being said, we do NOT owe THIS to any of you, but here are the FACTS!

Sidney cooperated with HCPD from the second he was contacted. He spoke with them on the phone, and voluntarily went over to the offices in Conway to speak with detectives in person.

That same day I ALLOWED HCPD to come inside our home to take a look around. They also asked to look through our Mickey camper and I GRANTED them permission.

In addition, three search warrants were also served. One for TELEPHONES, one for SURVAILLANCE, and one for our vehicle. (notice vehicle is singular) Both the Moorer house and Caison house were looked at during THIS time."

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Peter, notice the word SORRY is in this post!

Anonymous said...

but it is ok to post as anon if i agree with an anon? that's crazy.

Chipmunk!! said...

Anonymous @ 8:55 was really me, Chipmunk! *bows* I've not posted in a year? But I read the blog every day.

Anonymous said...

The picture above speaks a thousand words. Taking bets on how long he'll last in prison with REAL men.

JoAnn said...
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anon said...

Shut up!!!! I'll stay"anonymous"and insult you TURDS!!!

JoAnne said...

You missed the TURDSSSSSSSSS!!

Nanna Frances said...

Anon at 4:14,

In the country, it is not unusual for families to build close to other family members when there are large plots of land. The backyard may be many acres of land. Some children build close to their parents in order to take care of them as they age.

Randie said...

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/04/im-sorry-in-statement-analysis.html

Peter's Article on the word "Sorry".....

"During Cindy Anthony's 911 call, she handed the phone to Casey, who appeared to be unprepared to speak and when asked about not searching for Caylee said, "I'm sorry?" in what
appeared to be a pause to gather her thoughts.

The need to pause and think indicates sensitivity.

We listen for the words "I'm sorry" to 'leak' from the brain of the guilty. Not everyone that says the words "I'm sorry" is guilty, but it is interesting to notice how these words seem to slip out of those suspected of deception.

"To the people who don't believe in cycling, the cynics and the skeptics," Lance Armstrong said from

'The Tour de France podium in 2005. "I'm sorry for you. I'm sorry that you can't dream big. I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles."

Some people will say "I'm sorry", politely while, perhaps indicating that they did not hear or correctly hear the speaker in a manner where people used to say, "I beg your pardon?" yet it is also not to be ignored that "I'm sorry" seems to leak out of someone while under accusation. It is in this light, that is, while under accusation, that we might consider if the words "I'm sorry" are leaking from the brain of the accused.

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Here are Tammy's words again:

"Enough is enough and today this family will start filing charges against everyone we possibly can. I will no longer feel SORRY for you or let ignorance be your excuse.

With that being said, we do NOT owe this to any of you, but here are the FACTS!"



elf said...

Could her lack of attempt to hide her contempt maybe have been like a preemptive strike? Or maybe the fury was renewed because even though she got rid of her husbands younger mistress Heather was still a part of their lives? Like the tell tale heart...

Anonymous said...

thanks Nana, I'm far from the country

JoAnn said...

Elf makes a good point. Seems that TM's fury & rage outweighed any other consideration & common sense flew out the window. When we apply common sense to her statement, that will skew our conclusion.

Anonymous said...

they live disney so you may be right elf

ima.grandma said...

Where does a US Marshall fit into this case?

Maybe they theorize the body was taken across state lines??

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ima.grandma said...

Whoops, I should have typed it correctly. I'll try it again.



How do the US Marshals fit into this case?

Randie said...

If it was SM, he posted on fb on January 17th....

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Sidney Moorer; 12 cameras catch people's every move!

January 17 at 9:13pm
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Either this was SM or TM posting for SM...either way one of them was home up to 9:13 pm the night of the 17th

Randie said...

NEVER MIND MY LAST POST

RANDIE

elf said...

Looks like one of them already cracked.

ima.grandma said...

Hypothetically of course

The US Marshals have jurisdiction over maritime waters.

Hypothesis: Heather was forced into the water and intentionally drowned.

Would the dogs lose Heather's scent once she was into the water?

Bonnie Blue said...

Peter: "Her lack of attempt to hide her contempt led me to believe she did not know what Sidney had done. Not only was I wrong, but way wrong: she was present for the kidnapping and murder!"
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What if she didn't show guilty knowledge because she did not feel guilty or believe she was guilty because she felt she was only eliminating some thing that had zero value.

Do you have to have any sort of conscience in order to show guilty knowledge?


elf said...

Peter didn't say Tammy moorer is guilty or innocent. There has been limited sample of statements from Tammy or Sidney, not enough to draw any conclusion except that Tammy is a woman scorned.

Bonnie Blue said...

ima.grandma said...Would the dogs lose Heather's scent once she was into the water?

No. SAR dogs and cadaver dogs can identify remains in deep water. I can't remember the depth - but you can google it and it's covered on many sites.

Kidnapping can mean that they held her against her will, and would not let her leave.

One would not be charged with kidnapping because they moved the victim after death.

Time tells all.

elf said...

The whole Disney thing makes me think OBSESSIVE. I mean, a trailer to hold all your Disney shit?? Come on...

ima.grandma said...

Thank you Bonnie. I didn't know that. This blog and the community of posters teach me much more than statement analysis and for that I am grateful. Thanks again for enlightening an old lady. I'll never be too old to learn; this is one of the exciting concepts that keeps me going forward in my journey of life.

Anonymous said...

@ Bonnie, she may have not felt guilt, because she was satisfied with what she had done was ok in her mind.

Amaleen6 said...

Sidney looks terrified. I probably shouldn't feel this way, but the thought is pleasurable. He should know at least something of the fear Heather felt.

Amaleen6 said...

Railroaded? No. Arrested based on evidence? Yes.

Anonymous said...

Hey, I'm sure even Osama bin Laden had people who thought he was a great guy. Maybe we shouldn't pick on people with no morals and low information. Keep at it Anon 12:21, you give us someone to laugh at. What are you, her aunt or mother? I find it hard to believe anyone else could defend the monsters.

Anonymous said...

This is a really small lot though, they didn't build a house on the property they built in their backyard. Maybe an acre total, maybe, the pics of the layout is quite odd ppl were talking alot about it. Maybe if you look at the picture all over the news during the search you'll understand.

ima.grandma said...

 Tammy got around her conscience by “dehumanizing” Heather, the enemy, making it a lot easier for her to kill. Her rants were expressing that the killing was warranted ("she had it coming"), so there was nothing to feel guilty about. Tammy didn't value society's rules or moral standards. She felt no guilt violating these standards and acted to serve her own self interest.

Anger, and the need to look good to protect her fragile self-esteem, was the basis for her bullying and aggression. Denial, projection, and blaming others were her defense mechanisms, which helped her try to avoid feeling guilt and shame. I believe her brain lacked the circuitry to process these emotions allowing her to fatally harm Heather and threaten Terry Elvis without giving it a second thought. 

Still, I'm not sure why Tammy even bothered to justify her behavior ("she had it coming") if she was incapable of feeling anything even resembling regret. Perhaps this is seen in her statement: "I will no longer feel SORRY for you ..."

polywog said...

What is the significance of January 17?

Peter Hyatt said...

well said, ima.

It was off-the-charts unexpected. Most guilty people do not wish to be seen in this manner. Her open hatred of a missing person is a window into the darkness that is her soul.

It is also an indication of the rage that the young, and very small, Heather, met in that fateful encounter.

C5H11ONO said...

I don’t believe that Tammy’s vile and contemptible facebook rant about Heather was sufficient to draw information on her knowledge about Heather and her whereabouts. What she wrote was in response to a question that may have been posted regarding Sidney. In return she posted the rant. She wasn’t speaking about her knowledge of Heather’s disappearance, which means had that been the case, then red flags would have popped up. I am certain had someone had the opportunity to properly interview her and obtain direct quotes in relation to what happened to Heather a lot of sensitive information would have been leaked out.

Anonymous said...

elf said...
Looks like one of them already cracked.

February 24, 2014 at 10:42 PM
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Elf, why do you say this?

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Anonymous said...

Interesting. Such irony. The prior two posts complain of a lack of compassion in another poster, themselves with a lack of compassion and an amazing amount of vitriol. It's like saying, "I hate hateful people."

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mrsdraustin2008 said...

Anonymous is walking a thin line. You can't tell if she/he believes TM killed Heather or not. So confusing are her/his posts

Anonymous said...

I promise you ALL, when convicted this man will get whats coming to him. Even in the Prison System, the inmates have their own "justice system" for crimes like this against women or children. He's going to be praying for that "NEEDLE" early on. Thoughts and Prayer to the Elvis Family, hope they can find Heather and closure to this Nightmare Scenario for anyone family

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Anonymous said...

@JenOw "It is not common or expected for someone to commit a murder, and then advertise their hatred for the victim, branding themselves an obvious suspect. "

I don't think that is true. It is as expected as any other attempt at cover - remember, based off of that, people here thought she didn't know anything. That is why she did it! It isn't the first time in history that this has happened. The only reason somebody in here would say it is not common was because people in this space were so off base.

Anonymous said...

I would like to point something out I haven't heard anyone bring up thus far. In one of Tammy's Facebook posts she alleges and is very specific that her husband and Heather had sex in the back of a car on three occasions. This sounds an awful lot to me like pre-meditated defense just incase they were to find anything in the car the defense would be they slept together there. Other things to take notice are contradictions such as she accuses him of "cheating" but yet she has a boyfriend on the side for years. She tries to post as many pictures of them together as she can looking all the happy couple and also turns the focus off of the missing girl unto themselves as victims. All this added up seems a lot like the behaviors of a Sociopath including but not limited to the smirk on her face. I truly believe she thinks she will get away with it since there is no body, Sociopaths are often smug and arrogant and their narcissistic qualities make them believe they are smarter than others. She is most certainly the mastermind of the deal and the controller of the relationship.

Anonymous said...

I also would not be surprised if drug relations come out with this case. Sidney Moorer was previously arrested in Horry County some years back.

Nic said...

Tammy Moorer raged against Heather Elvis, even while dead, in her ranting post that did not show any intention on concealing her contempt.

So true. This is documented fact. Considering TM's disparaging rage in death, imagine if you can the jealous fueled rage viciously launched/inflicted upon Heather at the end of her young life. There is no doubt in my mind that Heather and Sidney were more than just casual and Heather was stalked by Tammy and viewed as a "threat" to her supposed happiness.

God speed to Heather and her grieving family.

LassieAssie said...

I think Nic is right on the money.
I think it will come out, when SM "cracks", that he was forced to go along with TM's plan to dispose of Heather. I think SM and TM will turn on each other, SM being the one to "crack".
I think he and Heather developed some sort of relationship stronger than sex, and even believe that she had become pregnant. This was more than TM could handle...She was very jealous of this young, beautiful girl with which SM was infatuated, and she would not allow the relationship to continue.
I believe SM told Heather he was leaving TM and they planned to meet that morning at PTL, probably a place they had met many times before. This was nothing out of the ordinary for Heather, so she took her purse and locked her car...after that, either TM was with him, or she showed up. That's the kidnapping...when Heather realized TM was there, she wante to leave, but was not allowed to...after that, who knows what they did to her?? (The last phone contact with SM was 6:00. Sunrise was not until 7:15 that morning. So it was probably still dark when they met) They could have dumped her body into the water there or somewhere nearby before daylight. I saw a picture of their truck being hauled away on a flatbed. Maybe that's where they found the DNA to charge them with murder? Does anyone know if they had a boat?
The looks in their mugshots say to me that SM is feeling like "we're busted. I can't believe this is it. I knew we couldn't get away with this." While TM looks very smug as if to say "you may think you have me, but you will NEVER prove I did anything to that whore."
So sad...and senseless. Heather did not deserve this.

LassieAssie said...

Report says Heather Elvis' car found hours earlier than previously thoughtMyhorrynews ‎- 8 hours ago
This story will no longer pull up from this morning...but it stated the person who reported Heather's car abandoned at PTL stated it had been there for about a week. Although this is not true, it is possible the person who reported her car there had seen it there a week ago if this was a common meeting place for Heather and SM.
This would also attribute to her be comfortable in their (she and SM) meeting and taking her purse and locking her car the morning of December 18th. I cannot fathom her fear when she realized TM was there...and what they did to her...her life should NOT have ended this way!