Thursday, November 19, 2015

Jared Fogle Defense: "Mild Pedophilia"

Jared Fogle gets more than 15 years in prison for sex crimes

Jared Fogle gets more than 15 years in prison for sex crimes

Note the quotes in italics.   Note the pornography was the evidence of the crime that had already taken place against children. 
Note the classification by the dense of "mild pedophilia."  


Now he’ll find out what a decade and a half of prison bologna sandwiches will do.
The Subway sandwich chain’s ex-pitchman, Jared Fogle, was slammed with a ​​15-year, 8-month sentence on child porn charges Thursday, after a hearing in which his shrinks blamed his more than 200-pound weight loss for turning him “hyper-sexual.”

Subway’s turkey footlongs made him a sex-crazed pedophile, Fogle had claimed in a last-ditch try for leniency.

Fogle “traded a horrible food addiction for a horrible sex addiction,” defense lawyer Jeremy Margolis had argued at sentencing.

Fogle himself spoke during the sentencing hearing, drawing two deep breaths and then telling the judge, 

“For most of my adult life, I’ve been in the spotlight, trying to be a role model.  I became dependent on alcohol, pornography and prostitutes."

Not a day will go by when I don’t think about what I did. Members of my family are also victims of my acts,” he told the judge, noting that his wife, the mother of his two young children, will now be a single mother.

You gave your wife $7 million,” US District Judge Tanya Walton Pratt snapped back. “She’ll be okay.”

Fogle had been obese due to a life-long compulsive eating disorder, but once he lost ​245 pounds on a strict ​diet of ​Subway ​turkey and veggie heroes, his obsessive disorder transferred to sex, his shrink told the judge on Fogle’s behalf at Thursday’s hearing, held in federal court in Indianapolis.

“Once he lost weight, it seemed as though in a short time he had hyper-sexuality,” and began fantasizing about prepubescent girls and boys, and seeking out 16​-​ and 17-year-old prostitutes, forensic psychiatrist John Bradford told the judge.

There are brain disorders that can be associated with sexual drive,” insisted the shrink, one in a team of mental health experts who argued that Fogle suffers from “hyper-sexuality,” “mild pedophilia, and alcohol issues, and so needs medical treatment, not prison.

I believe he did suffer from pedophilia, except it didn’t involve acting out with a child. He denies he ever touched a child,” Bradford testified, adding that Fogle spent a minimum of $12,000 a year on prostitutes.
Even his own lawyers called Fogle “pathetic.” “Nobody wants to be Jared Fogle,” defense lawyer Andrew Richard DeVooght conceded.
Prosecutors in turn regaled the judge with details of Fogle’s sickening kiddie porn perversions.
“I’ll pay you big for a 14- or 15-year-old,” Fogle had texted an 18-year-old prostitute from Las Vegas, after paying her for sex, a detective told the judge Thursday.

The pornography viewed by Fogle included images of children as young as 6, the prosecution has said. Fogle, 38, is the father of two children under the age of 5. Prosecutors have said there is no evidence he abused his own kids.

Fogle possessed over 600 photos and videos of child porn, much of it provided for him by co-defendant Russell Taylor, former head of Fogle’s foundation. Taylor, who cooperated in the investigation and has yet to be sentenced, would tape his young family members and their friends for Fogle, prosecutors have said.
Fogle had pleaded guilty earlier Thursday to one count each of traveling to engage in illicit sexual conduct with a minor and distribution and receipt of child pornography. He has also paid his 14 victims $100,000 each in restitution.
Prosecutors had asked for a 12½-year sentence. Fogle’s attorneys asked for the mandatory minimum sentence of five years.
Fogle has already served three months’ home confinement, which will count toward his prison time.

22 comments:

trustmeigetit said...

I beleive he was also molested/abused as a child.

I think that's where the extreme weight gain and his own desires Coke in.

Could be wrong but it is very common.

And to be clear, I am not excusing his behavior.

He still deserves to rot in jail.

Lemon said...

Is mild pedophilia akin to mild homicide?

MemphisPat said...

He'll still be a pedophile when he leaves prison in 15 years. Such a short sentence for despicable crimes!

MemphisPat said...

Good one, Lemon!

Sus said...

I need a like button for Lemon's comment.

Anonymous said...

trustme, I think you are very insightful. I've seen that in very large people too.

lynda said...

The 'ole Twinkie defense except now it's Subway. This man is scum. 6 years old? WHEN is this country going to lock the people that rape children in jail for LIFE?? LIFE..nothing less. It is the ONLY guarantee that he will not get out and start up again, ruining more lives. Hopefully, he will enjoy the full monty from his fellow prisoners because its not just a rumor that they HATE baby rapists.

trustmeigetit said...

One girl I heard on one of those weightloss shows said her dad stopped touching her when she got to a certain size so she continued to eat to keep him from doing it again.
It became her shield.

Oh no not her again said...

If giving up a food addiction so easily morphs into "sex addiction" (and I note, nowhere does even the defense equate sex addiction with pedophilia), then all bariatric surgery patients need to be investigated posthaste. /eye-rolling

Juliet said...

Lynda -

Florida, Arcadia -sex-offenders detained indefinitely for crimes they haven't yet committed

http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/4/5/florida-becomes-theharsheststateforsexoffenders.html

Arcadia is a dump - I've been through there, didn't see the prison though. I don't know if it's the 'right' solution, but I'm more in favour than against it. Paedophiles have to be prevented from having access to children - in the UK they get let out to victimise more children, and the law, in that, is an ass, It's a sickness, and it seems some are able to lament their condition and not commit crimes, whilst others seem weak, incapable and evil - they need not to have access to children ever again. On the whole, I think prison systems need reforming along Norwegian lines, and geared towards education and rehabilitation in not-unpleasant environments - at the same time I think some rapists and all paedophiles should not be freed, because they so often reoffend. So, let them live as freely as possible in a restricted environment once they have served their time. The victims don't have a time to stop serving their sentences, I know, but it might help to know that their attackers would never be getting out.

Anonymous said...

Seems as if "Mild Pedophilia" could undergo a change.Perhaps stages or degrees depending upon age of victim. Mild seems to dismiss it entirely. Easy to twist and convince others of something different. To me, sex with a 16/17 yr old isn't the same as a 6 yr old.

Juliet said...

It's not making sense - he has fourteen identified victims, yet he is guilty of 'mild' paedophilia. The video he viewed was of his friends young children, and their friends, little children - he was apprehended whilst on his way to engage in sexual conduct with a minor. I don't see what is 'mild' about that - he was indulging and intending to indulge his 'fantasies' - real people were involved, therefore they were not fantasies.

Anon at 2.03 - I think the difficult area is young adults engaging in consensual sexual relationships with mid-teens, the relationship turning sour, and rape accusations following. There's no confusion or area of doubt with Fogle going after teens and viewing images of young children he probably knows - plus he said members of his own family were his victims. (As Peter says, if someone tells you something about themselves, believe them?) Just because there was 'no evidence' doesn't mean he didn't do anything to them. Members, plural, not only his wife - and she is not a 'victim' in the crimes of which he was convicted, so one has to wonder who, and what, he was talking about.

I know what they are trying to say - that he didn't molest and rape his fourteen victims - still 'mild' is not an adequate definition for what he did - it's minimising his will, effort and real attempt to further indulge his 'fantasies'.

A danger is that serious issues become cynical jokes - he's only a mild paedophile - she's only a bit pregnant - she's only a bit dead - and so forth. :-/

Anonymous said...

I think he's guilty and needs to serve a LOT of jail time (if not just stay in there), but I think the NY Post is stretching it a bit with the sentence, "Subway’s turkey footlongs made him a sex-crazed pedophile...". Subway's turkey footlongs will only give you indigestion, not an uncontrollable sex drive triggered by preteens. He needs to own his behavior.

brosnanfan (didn't feel like logging in)

elf said...

Members of my family are also victims of my acts. Imbedded confession?

Gemini said...

I was thinking the same thing...

Anonymous said...

See...NY Post sees nothing wrong with his behavior and attempts to groom others to do the same.

16/17 year old prostitutes could be runaways or forced human trafficking. The word "mild" makes it sound like a sauce,temperature,or a disease that a pill will solve: HotnSpicey,lukewarm,acute.

Not to excuse his behavior either, but the joy they get out of bringing down someone that once picked himself up and improved not only himself, but also his employer is gut-wrenching.

Mary Hawk said...

@MemphisPat Amen to that. No matter how many years in prison, no matter how many "counseling sessions," not only will he still be a pedophile when he's released, he'll still be young enough (age 38 now) to continue where he left off. :( :( :(

elf said...

The word 'mild' used by the defense is to minimize the offense. There is no degree of harm a pedophile causes- it's all equally harmful, dangerous, and repugnant. There is nothing mild about pedophilia. It's like a murderer saying they only murdered someone a little. There are no grey areas.

trustmeigetit said...

Any of the more experienced SA peeps have time to analyze a short exchange.

My friend thinks her boyfriend stole her clarinet (worth a couple grand) Mind you he has no job and him, his brother and dad share a small part with no jobs and are barely getting by...

He has a key to her apt and often stays there. As does his family sometimes.

So he texted her the following after a mutual friend mentioned she was suspicious.

Boyfriend "I know your upset, understandably so about your clarinet. Neither I or anyone in my family had anything to do with it"

The talked in person but she doesn't remember much of that.

I told her to ask him flat out why she should beleive him.


He responded "there's no reason you shouldn't"

To me that last part was not good but still learning.

Anonymous said...

This disgusting SOB got the lowest fine assessed in history for the number of children he prowled and molested. Disgusting. Only $ONE Mil, to be divided amongst all those (something like $100K each) children? After their attys grab off their part, there won't even be enough left to pay for their many years of counseling, from which they will never recover. They should have been awarded $ONE MIL EACH with atty fees paid by this POS on top of their award. Infuriating. Our court system sucks. It really does. ABB

Anonymous said...

Lynda; first they need to give the SOB a frontal lobe lobotomy. It should be mandatory for ALL pedophiles. Then they won't even know or react to how it feels to be sodomized in prison, just pass 'em around amongst themselves; HOWEVER, I'm starting to think that they aren't having it so bad in prison. If they were, why aren't we hearing more about their gruesome prison abuses and deaths?

I'm beyond caring if they were abused as children. That being the case, why aren't they having compassion for the pitiful children they hurt so badly, knowing how awful and painful it is to have been abused/raped as a child? These, more than anyone else deserve to pay with their lives. Fc'k their excuses. I want 'em all dead. If you'd ever seen the sexual battering, beating and vaginal abuse of a little 28 month old toddler girl, her precious little life destroyed forever, you'd all feel the same way. ABB

Anonymous said...

Ooops... I see it was fourteen victims? Sweet Jesus. The victims award divided is like spitting in the ocean trying to create a river. This is an insult to these children. B'stard, his attys and judge too. Sounds to me like a little hand to mouth pay off took place in the halls of justice. Low lifes, all. ABB