Monday, November 23, 2015

POLL: Student Alleges Nearly Killed in Hate Crime

The student said that a man honked at her, and if it were not for 3 persons, she would have been killed.  She called CAIR instead of the police?

Do you believe her?

Do her statements indicate veracity?

What we know:  When someone is close to being killed by a car, the event is frightening and 'bodily close'.  The language should reflect this.

The emotions should come in the 'after' portion of the
account, as it takes time to process them.  The event should be affirmed by:

The Pronoun "I" as this is very personal, up close and singular;
Past Tense verbs, as it already happened when the statement is made.

CINCINNATI —A Muslim woman is speaking out after she says she was called a terrorist and almost run over by an angry man in Clifton Monday night.

Haneen Jasim, 22, said after a night of studying at the Starbucks on University Square, as she crossed the street, a man started honking, cursing and calling her a terrorist.


The University of Cincinnati pre-med student was wearing her hijab.

Very upsetting, very scary. I'm very, very nervous for me, my friends, my family, I'm terrified to cross the street now."

Please note that it began without a pronoun.  Statistically, this will reduce reliability.  
Note "very" is used first once, and then twice.  
"upsetting"
"very scary"
"very very nervous"
"terrified."

Please note that she has claimed to have almost been run over by a car and she is not "very nervous" for:

herself,
her friends
her family.  

Then, she is "terrified" to cross the street.  

But worse, Jasim said the man drove toward her and didn’t stop. She said three people walking in front of her grabbed her onto the sidewalk before the car could hurt her.

Please note the research of Mark McClish suggests that "3 is the liar's number" meaning that if a person is going to make up a number between 2 and 9, 3 shows up the most frequently in deceptive accounts.  It is not conclusive, but just something to consider in the overall analysis.  

There should now be three eye witnesses who will come forward as they were all personally involved.  


“Within an instant he tried to run over me. If it wasn't for the three people in front of me, grabbing me onto the sidewalk, I would have been dead right there,” said Jasim.

Note the time, "within an instant" and note that the three here are "people", non-gender specific.  

The man drove off, and Jasim said she didn't catch a license plate, While shaken and terrified, she wasn't sure what police could do.

Jasim reported the incident to the Council on American Islamic Relations, also known as CAIR.

There is no quote here, but the implication is "so, since, therefore, because" :  She did not know what police would do so, instead, she called CAIR.

CAIR has links to the Muslim Brotherhood.  

Do you believe her account?






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57 comments:

Anonymous said...

I didn't read the entire article, but I will say this about that: If she's so damned scared let her dress properly, according to our own manner of dress then she won't feel so damned uneasy. Might actually save her life too.

If I were in her country that's what I'd do just for the sake of having good sense. Would dye my hair too. These people need to get with the program! ABB

Anonymous said...

Paid propaganda by her religious group.

Anonymous said...

No, not entirely. Maybe some variation of it.

Actually, I'm familiar with that Starbucks location up in Clifton. It's not well lighted in the outdoor seating café area. She wouldn't be able to sit out there and study all night. I don't believe the employees in this Starbucks would allow her to sit inside and study for too long at the time either. This is a very busy college area, they can't have students sitting for hours in their limited seating. She would politely be asked to move outdoors or leave. ABB

Lemon said...

I don't believe her.
#always3people

maudes harold said...

No, I do not believe her.

maudes harold said...

How is the all black hijab reconciled with the University education within her Islamic culture? The two seem to be at odds with the 'culture' as I understand it. My understanding is limited. It's a serious question, not a snarky remark.

maudes harold said...

I should clarify: I understand that within 'moderate' Muslims the University education would be allowed/encouraged, but is the all-black, full hijab consistent with that view?



Anonymous said...

Nah, I don't believe her either, not really; just, I know there's always Ohio rednecks trolling this area up around University of Cincy, but there's a lot of patrol up there too. 'Something' could have happened but I don't believe it's anything like she said. That particular area is a cop-ticket and arrest warrant money maker. IMO, anyone seen driving like this would have been apprehended. ABB

Anonymous said...

I have no idea Maudes. Tell you the truth, I don't know what sect belongs to which sect. I just try to ignore and keep moving along. It's THEIR problem, not mine and they need to fit into our way of life, not us fitting in with theirs. ABB

elf said...

I don't believe anyone tried to deliberately run her over. It sounds like she went to cross the street and didn't look both ways. I would have asked if she was crossing at the corner or crosswalk if I had been the interviewer. I also don't see why it would take three people to pull her back onto the sidewalk. I wouldn't think someone with the intention of running over a pedestrian would honk their horn.
I don't think this incident was racially motivated. I think she is assigning motive and casting blame on an incident that she most likely created by not being 100% aware of her surroundings. She probably didn't call police because the near accident was partly her fault.

Boston Lady said...

Unbelievable. Literally !! Please. I'm so tired of people yelling fire when it's totally false. And the give away on this is she called CAIR first.

maudes harold said...

Would 3 people IN FRONT of her "pull her onto" the sidewalk? I can see people pushing her onto the sidewalk. It seems her account is backward. As well as her attempts to put the crime on record.

Peter Hyatt said...

maudes, good point!

maudes harold said...

I hear ya ABB- I'm trying to figure out how to help my nieces and nephew navigate this "New World" so to speak, without losing their innocence and ability to trust people, all required for healthy growth. It's harder to 'take someone on faith' if they are using their faith "as a weapon." And as to recent events, we know this includes all faiths.

maudes harold said...

I think Islam has become a politicized weapon, all over, but the fanatical are roosting comfortably and spreading their wings here in the US. This incident is like a feather in one wing.

I have no problem believing that something like this could and is happening -Some angry yahoo driving maniacally towards someone and spewing bile. I just don't believe HER account. It lacks the veracity indicators.

If this really happened, I would expect a University student to go to police, get it on a legal record, and THEN go to CAIR for support. And yes, I also understand that it is possible she was too afraid to go to legal authorities w/o religious and/or cultural support. That then leads to the question: Was she raised here or newly arrived?

rjb said...

There are some hijab-wearing students at my daughter's university. My understanding is that many Muslim women get to make the choice whether to wear a hijab or dress in Western attire. It's a matter of personal conviction, not a necessity under their specific interpretation of Islamic law.

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maudes harold said...

Yes, I understand that as well. It's the specific interpretation of this gal in this incident that I would query in relation to her veracity along with the lack of veracity indicators in her statement in order to see if this is just an agenda-driven act or 'hoax.'

Anonymous said...

Thank you for that location update ABB. You must be a traveling salesman.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps it is euphemism projection.A metaphor for things to come?

CathieD said...

There are cameras everywhere these days. They're at intersections and inside and outside of stores. Had she called the police they could have done plenty. If this happened at all, a more likely scenario is that she was jaywalking or crossing the street when the pedestrian crossing sign was red. The driver was caught by surprise, annoyed, perhaps yelled and honked at her. I believe her not.

Sus said...

No, it didn't happen as she said, if at all.

Anonymous said...

No Anon @ 1:56, I am not a traveling salesman and never have been. Traveling salesman...! he he... Cincy was our home for many years. Both my sons attended University of Cincinnati, both also had their own apartments in the Clifton area and one still lives in Cincy. Oh yeah, I know the area well. ABB

Anonymous said...

Whatever she claims, no three people shoved or pushed/pulled her out of the way; not when a car showed up on a moments notice barreling right towards her. Think about it: If they had, they would have all been struck down. Duh... ABB

John mcgowan said...

OT Update:

What a surprise.

'Clock Boy' Seeking $15m From City And School
Attorneys for the 14-year-old Muslim boy who was arrested after he took a homemade clock to school say he was publicly mistreated.


A 14-year-old Muslim boy who was arrested after a homemade clock he took to his school was mistaken for a bomb is seeking $15m, his attorneys say.

A law firm representing Ahmed Mohamed sent letters on Monday demanding $10m from the city of Irving, Texas, and $5m from the Irving Independent School District.

The attorneys, who also threatened to pursue legal action, said the teen deserves the money because he was publicly mistreated.

Ahmed took a homemade clock to his school in September to show a teacher, but another teacher thought it could be a bomb.

The school contacted police, who handcuffed the teenager.

Ahmed, the son of Sudanese immigrants, was suspended from school for three days.

In the wake of his story going viral, Ahmed received multiple job offers and visited the headquarters of Google and Facebook.

He even chatted with President Barack Obama while attending an Astronomy Night event at the White House in October.

Ahmed and his family have since moved to Qatar, where the family accepted a foundation's offer to pay for his high school and college in Doha.


http://news.sky.com/story/1592967/clock-boy-seeking-15m-from-city-and-school

Anonymous said...

Most likely scenario: four college students cross the street. Why, you ask? To get to the other side. Learning about human rights, racism, free speech, and of course, non-profits, decide to educate us.

One makes the claim, the other three -non-muslim-back her up.

Anonymous said...

Sounds good to me, anon @3:16! As good a set up as any other, right? ABB

Lemon said...

OT (Sort of)

Threat Knowledge Group release "Isis: The Threat to the United States"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/290857886/TKG-Report-the-ISIS-Threat

via:
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/23/exclusive-islamic-state-threat-united-states/

Anonymous said...

Peter,
Have you analyzed the Ben Carson controversies of his statements in his book and in person? I would be curious to see that.

Lisa said...

Raw story had link to news video of Haneen here.
She says "I probably would have been dead right there."
PROBABLY is missing in the quote above. It changes the sentence.

http://youtu.be/5mhqL0ZEsO4

Lisa said...

"I would have probably been dead."
Sorry I misplaced the probably. Oi

maudes harold said...

Thanks for the link Lisa.

I'm more convinced this is not true. Her Duper's Delight was hardly containable when she mentions being killed. A couple of times.

When she described the animalisitc qualities ascribed to Muslims she ends with "THIS is not us."

maudes harold said...

This was just a matter of time.....

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ahmed-mohamed-muslim-teen-handcuffed-for-homemade-clock-seeks-15-million/

maudes harold said...

Oops, sorry John, I didn't see your post....duh.

Bas (The Netherlands) said...

Some things I noticed:
- Lack of pronoun "I", she doesn't commit to being upset or scared.
- She doesn't say she's angry at the driver. I would if I was nearly killed by such a maniac;
- She does say she's nervous but using "very" twice weakens the assertion.
- Order. Friends come before family. Friends are more important to her than family?
- The use of the "liars number" three.
- "grabbing me" is present tense. This doesn't come from experential memory.
- She claims she's afraid for herself, her friends and family, yet she decides not to call police but CAIR instead. I think it's her aim to lighten up the anti islam discussion.

Confused said...

PLEASE can someone on here (Peter, Jen Ow, etc) PLEASE look at the case in MA that has gone international about the babysitter who allegedly kidnapped the 2 year old girl, shaved her head, burned her with cigarettes and then left her on the side of the road. The babysitter allegedly was able to break into the house in a 4 hour time window between 3am (liar's number and 7 am) and kidnap the baby without being heard. I am convinced she did not do it. I am convinced one of the parent's did it. The terrible things that were done to the baby seem to have been done for shock value and then the baby was left by the side of the road during morning rush hour where someone would definitely find her and they did at 10 am. The parent's have released a statement, not sure how much help it is, but I believe the babysitter has been framed. I will post link as well as parent's statement.

Confused said...

Here is the statement as published in the daily mail from the toddler's parents after she was discovered on the side of the road at 10 am by a couple driving to work.

Lyndon's family released a statement Monday morning asking for privacy while the family recovers from their 'horrific ordeal.'
They said: 'We have suffered a horrific ordeal. We are grateful to have our daughter back. We are extremely thankful for the incredible efforts to rescue our daughter by the Police and all emergency responders.
'We are extremely grateful to the kind couple who found our daughter. We are extremely thankful for having the best family, friends and community supporting us through this difficult time.'
We are asking for privacy out of respect for the young ages of our children, and out of an understanding that as parents we need to be able to restore a sense of calm, comfort, and normalcy for the well being of our children


Confused said...

Here is the link to the "kidnapped by babysitter story". I would be curious to hear anyone's input.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3330798/Babysitter-kidnapped-beat-shaved-girl-2-barely-stand-court-lawyers-claim-history-hallucinations-suicide-attempts.html#reader-comments

Anonymous said...

I'm not sure if I believe her or not. Is English her first language? If not, that could have some bearing on the words she used. The THREE people who saved her from certain death? I'm going to assume one would make sure they had the the names and telephone numbers of those who saved their life, right? If not, why not? Wouldn't you want these heroes to be recognized? Wouldn't you want to stay in touch with them? In addition, the people who saved her life may have pertinent information about what happened and what they saw to assist law enforcement in their investigation.
-Mary

Juliet said...

The parents' statement - 'we have suffered an horrific ordeal' - yet they don't say the baby has suffered an horrific ordeal - or anything about the baby, her condition, how she is doing. It's a bit cold. Lots of 'extremely'. I'd be raging - they don't sound raging.

The accused's family is well off, and they love their daughter. - I noticed the toddler"s parents not saying anything, really, about their daughter, or 'thank God' etc.

I suppose there is.surveillance footage somewhere - they can't just arrest someone who only babysat once or twice - would that be once, or twice - they don't remember?

Julier said...

I don't know if my choice registered- clicked the button but it didn't open the. Stats page. I would say she's exaggerating and probably no-one pulled her out,of the path of a car. Her description of how she felt seemed believable enough - I'd say she walked into the path of a car and got honked and shouted at by the driver. Why didn't she call the police? - maybe she was in the wrong, crossing the road where she should not. She thought to embellish it - don't know, someone might have called her a name if she gave them a fright - if someone had deliberately driven at her to run her over she would have called the police, surely.

Confused said...

Juliet, I noticed that too, they speak first of themselves suffering a "horrific" ordeal, rather than what their daughter suffered! I also notice they don't use the daughter's name. They repeat themselves "we are extremely grateful" almost robotically.
I believe with every fiber of my being they did this to their own child. I haven't heard anything that they have on the babysitter, any evidence, anything pointing to her doing it, anything indicating evidence of breaking and entering although she is being charged with that.
They also say they last checked on the toddler at 3 am (liar's number).
I wonder if the babysitter even smokes as the toddler had cigarette burns on her.
I feel like the shaving of the head was done for shock value.
I am thinking Charlie Rogers here, although in no way am I saying the toddler harmed herself, I am saying I think one of the parents did those things to their own child for attention and that they are framing the former babysitter.
She may not understand the charges against her because she is so befuddled as to why she is being charged with these things.

Confused said...

Also

"the incredible efforts to rescue our daughter"

"rescue" not "find"

Also,

"efforts to rescue" implies that that effort was made to "rescue" but that they did not succeed in rescuing the daughter, which only makes sense if the daughter is still in the hands of those who harmed her, if it was the parent (s)

Trigger said...

Three people walking in front of her...etc.

Three is the liar's number.

The people were walking in front of her, so they must have shielded her, or stopped in front of her and turned around to hold her.

She sounds deceptive.

Is this more fake hate?

Boston Lady said...

Perhaps this scammer should look at the Blackburn case to see a real hate crime. Amanda Blackburn was brutally, viciously robbed and murdered by 3 black men. Where is Obama to speak out about Amanda's senseless death?

Anonymous said...

@Boston Lady, Obama will not comment on cases where the victim is white.

John mcgowan said...

OT Update:

One year later, 3-year-old Malik Drummond is still missing

One year ago Monday, Malik Drummond, 3, disappeared from his Searcy home.

Family members tell Channel 7 News they are still in disbelief that the toddler seemed to just disappear in broad site.

On November 23, 2014, Malik and his twin sister Aryanna were staying at their father's home in the 700 block of West Park Avenue.

Searcy police received a call at 6:30 p.m. after Malik's family and father, Jeff Clifton, realized about 45 minutes earlier he was missing.

Not long after, police issued a level two Morgan Nick Amber Alert. Search crews formed and air support was implemented.

On that Tuesday, the search area was expanded into three more neighborhoods. Tracking and cadaver dogs also joined the search.

Wednesday, Nov. 26, 2014, after receiving a tip, authorities lowered a camera into a storm drain, but didn't find anything. The next day, another tip led police to a field in search of a pair of children's shoes, but nothing was found there.

Clifton's neighbor, Taquanda Haerrell, said although it has been a year, there doesn't seem to have been much progress made.

"We haven't heard anything and that is what makes it so sad. Not to know anything after a whole year. To not come up with a lead or anything, that is sad," Haerrell said.

When Malik initially went missing, hundreds of people flocked to Searcy to help find the missing boy.

His parents, Tanya Drummond and Jeff Clifton, told Channel 7 News their number one priority was to find their son.

"I don't know if he's out there sick, or if he fell or [is] hurt. I'm just scared. I really want him home," Drummond said.

"The main thing is for him to be home safe, it's not to get anybody in trouble. The main thing is to just bring my son home," Clifton said.

Malik's twin sister, Aryanna, now stays with their grandmother, Nancy Payne.

"Want to know, everybody wants to know what happened to Malik," Payne said. "A day doesn't go by without me thinking about him. Ary does too, she talks about Malik all the time. Everyday, 'I miss my bubba'."

As time passes, Payne says her granddaughter's curiosity is sparking her own

"She has been saying stuff that really makes me think," Payne said.

Now the FBI is offering a $20,000 reward to anyone who can lead them to Malik. Searcy Police Sergeant Steve Hernandez said authorities are still actively searching.

"We have developed some information to believe somebody does know something. We feel like this $20,000 reward will spark that person to come forward with this information," Sgt. Hernandez said. "We haven't counted out foul play obviously, this is a criminal investigation. What a lot of people don't realize is the investigation never went cold. We just might not have put the investigation out there for everybody of what we are doing."

Payne said she believes Malik is still alive.

"I believe Malik is out there. He is out there somewhere. Somebody has got him. Somebody is taking care of Malik and they just ain't coming forward," Payne said. "I just want Malik home. Whoever has Malik, I wish you'd all bring him home to his family, because it is getting to be the holidays. It is rough for us it really is."

If you have any information regarding Malik's whereabouts, please call 1-800-CALL-FBI (225-5324) or the Searcy Police Department at (501) 268-3531.

http://katv.com/news/local/one-year-later-3-year-old-malik-drummond-is-still-missing

Anonymous said...

not sure but this guy seems kinda framed....

http://www.wdrb.com/story/30572992/transcript-murder-suspect-timothy-madden-speaks-to-wdrb-news

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sidewalk super said...


Hmm...
Perhaps the head gear this woman wears obscures her vision.
Literally AND figuratively .

brosnanfan said...

It occurs to me that posters should be calling you "harold", not "maudes", since you are "Maude's Harold". Correct? :)

sidewalk super said...


Re the clock/bomb kid and his lovely family...
I wonder who in Washington might have encouraged them to sue anybody ?

maudes harold said...

brosnanfan,

What's in a name?? lol Maude is fine with me! :)


sidewalk super,

If it moves forward, I'm really looking forward to the pre-trial depositions of his family members...

If they win, maybe the money will be used for Ahmed's father's NEXT run for president in the Sudan??

tania cadogan said...

she is being deceptive, when i vote it doesn't let me click on vote (no vote button)

Anonymous said...

Re: fawning "clock boy", just how old is he exactly,
who was inspired to challenge his school's quick response to threats,
by dismembering a clock and affixing it's components strategically in a suitcase,
thereby cleverly re-purposing both original objects,

It would seem that this entire family has the community organizer/activist credo down pat:

"break it,
make maximum noise while you do,
always blame someone else,
and make them pay for the destruction you bring about under the guise of social engineering/fairness/blah, blah, blah.

millions?,
even a penny?,
who is he kidding?

elf said...

Extortion, plain and simple. I do wonder who tipped the media off in the first place.

elf said...

If he fell? That's unexpected.