Thursday, January 23, 2014

Statement Analysis: Heather Elvis' Mother

                  Heather Elvis is missing, and her family's frustration is boiling over.

                                         Statement Analysis is in bold type.

There has been a great deal of negative information about Heather out on the internet.

Are these things true?

If so, are they related to her disappearance?

A man she was alleged to have been involved with's wife posted harshly about Heather Elvis, and other aspects of her lifestyle have come out.

Recently, Debbi Elvis, Heather's mother, spoke about how information on the internet has helped the case:
"I think social media is solely responsible for getting the information out as fast as we did," she said.
She may recognize that someone else, perhaps police, might differ.  

Heather's Tweets here
With the information, has come out reports of Heather being involved with a married man, Sidney Moorer.   To this, and perhaps other negative information: 

she said, 
"The knowledge, nationwide, of this case has caused some negative things to be out there."
Note that the negative things are "out there", not that the information is untrue. 
 "If you see a lot of random facts and speculations, that's a red flag that you might not want to take that as truth because it is social media and it is people behind that social media. When you have people you always have good and bad."
Note the admission that what is out there is both "facts" and "speculation."  The "facts" are said to be "random", which relates to order.  This is not to say that it is untrue, or incorrect. 

Note that she is only able to say that you "might not" want to take as truth, not because it is false, but because it comes from social media.  This is a very weak offering of advice.

It is likely that the postings that the mother is referring to about Heather are true.

What is not known yet is if Heather's disappearance is related to her lifestyle. 

35 comments:

Maggie said...

This may seem like an odd question, but I've been thinking about this case, and one of the facts of the case is Heather was at her apartment between 2-2:30 am. Her car was seen parked outside. Then at 3:41 am she texted her friend. So then her car was found parked at a dock and I read this was a place she used to hang out at. For some reason, I feel like whoever parked her car there, this was to throw off people looking for her. But anyway, my question is this: Why did Heather want to learn to drive a stick shift? Is there any correlation with her having just that evening having learned to drive one and her disappearance? Is it at all possible that she wanted to learn how to drive one because she had access to a vehicle with a stick shift and possibly drove somewhere in it?
The reason why I ask: I learned how to drive in a car with a stick shift. I was the only kid around who knew how to drive one. One time when I was visiting friends when I was younger across the country a friend of theirs went on a week long business trip and left this cool red sports car and said you guys can use it all week if any of you can drive it--it's got a stick shift. Well, lo and behold--I could drive it so we got to drive around in a cool sports car all week. My point being, knowing how to drive a stick shift is the key to being able to drive certain (not many) vehicles.
I just wonder why she wanted to learn to drive one. It is actually a pain in the neck to learn to use the clutch, and I wonder why she wanted to learn enough to have her date show her? Maybe this is stupid, but it just seems like it might be relevant.

elf said...

Doesn't lifestyle always play a part in most disappearances? If Billie Dunn had a different lifestyle, Hailey might still be alive... if Justin dipietro had not grown up to be a drug addict with a basement full of empty beer bottles, ayla would be getting ready for bedtime in a warm house right now... Bob bashear (sp?) hired another man to murder his wife so he could live out his s&m lifestyle with his mistress...
What I've read about heather elvis seems pretty typical for a young woman her age. But it also seems like a front...she wasn't a shallow sex crazed bimbo homewrecker, I think she fell for that Sydney guy. He was older, more experienced, he knew the right things to say.
I think its unfair for people to judge her just for her social media post. Anyone can be cold and brash behind a keyboard.

Maggie said...

I'm guessing that it had to be the married man. Maybe Heather was trying to move on from involvement with him, knowing it was not healthy. And maybe the married man was jealous if he found out she had gone on a date with the new guy.

JerseyJane said...

Im more curious of why Heather was admitted to the hospital on the 17th at 1504 to 1812.. Roughly 2 hours... Did she go to verify if she was pregnant? U can go to the hospital declaring injury and before an xray they ask if u can possibly be pregnant.. Easy way to declare it to be true or not if no healthcare or in shock of the store bought tests..
Then she is on a date at 1900hours, boy picks her up.. The boy was cleared but how many of us would go on a date in less then an hour after a visit to the hospital, then at 2200hours text dad pic of driving.. She doesn't appear as made-up in the pic of learning to drive pic,.Appears happy to learn but looks more razzled or thru wringer then dressed to impress.. ... I'm not mocking just looking at ALL photos of her, an wondering.. Was she not caring to move on or trying
her hardest to move on with a new date? The police report is on that Chelsea Hoffman site.. Lots of questions that is all I can say... I feel for her, I do think Elf that this relates to your thoughts on the older male messing with her head..

Maggie said...

Was she pregnant?

floridamomma said...

hi jj! were the receipts in her car timestamped when the heather Elvis was at the hospital? pregnancy is an interesting thought... but such a typical rumor given the situation.

Anonymous said...

having an affair is not a crime deserving murder. also lots of young womewn go for older guys who are looking to stray from their family. it's nothing unusual.

Anonymous said...

I was looking at a site that has a lot of pictures of Heather, and I noticed, as did Jersey Jane, that Heather looks different in the pic of her driving the stick shift that she texted to her dad. Besides not appearing made up, she looks kind of chunky, even has a double chin. I do not mean that to be critical or judgmental. I just don't get the contrast, as in most of her other pictures, she looks smaller. I don't now how recent the other photos are, but we know the one in the car was within hours of her disappearance. This makes me wonder about the pregnancy question, too. Maybe that is why she appears much fuller in the face.

Anonymous said...

I agree - always seemed to me that car was positioned so it would be noticed/ found.so as to throw people off.

& not necessarily by heather esp since dogs didn't find her scent around it.

also always wonder why her dad never replied to her text about learning to drive stick.

& wonder why he didn't immediately go looking for her at her apartment.

as for lifestyle --- everybody's got a lifestyle. esp every 20 yr old. whatever.

Anonymous said...

i think she just has kinda a baby soft face and in her othe pics she knows how to pose to minimize it.

angle can make a huge difference.

however it's true she looks almost dressed down for a date. but it's hard to tell. maybe that's just the kind of date it was.

I wonder if she was pregnant -- she posted preggo my eggo on twitter back in june or july. seems just after affair started. but there's nothing else posted that seems to confirm this. it coulda just been wishful thinking or something like that. surely somebody close to her knows one way or the other.

Anonymous said...

just judging fom her twitter and instagram i don't think she was pregnant --- there's no shift in subject matter that would support it.

I think she was in love and obsessed and heart broken over sidney. I think that was the biggest thing gooing of for her.

i think she was was a bit frustrated with her job and lifestyle, but also -- she seems pretty social and overall a positive self posessed girl.

she mentions getting high ore than once. i'd betanything if sidney just broke her heart again or anything like that on those phone calls -- she'd go looking to get high -- and if she didn't have any -- she'd maybe ask people she didn't normally ask given urgency.

Anonymous said...

find out who deals drugs from the pay phone where somebody called her from

Anonymous said...

Heather was a big risk taker, living a reckless lifestyle without thought of her own safety. Didn't use much common sense, if any. Had been doing drugs on several prior occasions, left her apt in the wee hours after getting a phone call; was messing around with a married man with three kids. She thinks she's more important to her player married man than she actually is. She thinks he puts her above his wife and kids. Dumb.

Count the odds. First, the wife: Wives of cheating husbands don't just sit around smiling at the wall when they know lying hubby is cheating, also blowing their money on his h'ore. She's got kids, is stuck at home, she's p'ssed. Wifes' had a blistering argument in the middle of the night with lying cheating hubby, wife is in an angry fighting mad tizzy. She knows he's lying. She's in a rage.

Hubby storms out to talk this thing over with (his wifes' words), 'his bimbo tramp', among other choice names for Heather. Wife sneakily follows. She's got friends, she's going to put a stop to this b'tch tramp once and for all. By damn, she'll fix it one way or another.

Now, just who do you think that phone call to Heather came from in the wee hours? Have you been counting the odds up to this point? No? Then do that, you may find the answer.

Maggie said...

Anon @ 1:04--Right--that is what struck me is how the car was positioned. I have read 2 different pieces of writing from the father in which he emphasizes the car was parked sideways and not "head on". This is slightly concerning to me that he keeps emphasizing this, and also that in one instance, he writes how the car "sat"--this is attributing posture to an inanimate object, and I can't help but wonder why he is phrasing it this way.
I did not know that her Dad had not texted her back about learning to drive a stick shift. That is odd.
One other thing that I find somewhat concerning is a word choice he used in a poem he wrote about Heather being missing that I read last night.
I am paraphrasing here bc I dont have the poem in front if me, but he writes that he is 'surrounded by darkness' bc he is sad Heather is missing and then he writes how '(he) is in "PLAIN SIGHT" but is more lost than her (Heather)". What is concerning to me is that the term "plain sight" is very frequently a part of the expression "hiding in plain sight" when used to refer to a person. The last time I heard this term used was on the show "Breaking Bad" where Walter's boss tells him "I am just like you. I hide in plain sight." by which he means that he conceals his criminal character amd bad deeds by putting on a facade that he is an upstanding community member. Maybe it means nothing, but Hesther's father's use of this term "plain sight" did jump out at me. Also, that he implies that Heather is "lost" I find to be worth noting.

Maggie said...

Here is the poem written by Terry Elvis if anyone is interested in reading it. Also, in it, he says he is "just as lost" NOT "more lost".

"New Years Eve...
Surrounded by darkness
I am afraid
Of what I do not know
I search for the light to
get away from the darkness that smothers me so.
I stand here with my arms wide open waiting for you to come
back home.
Waiting for you to come back to me the one you call daddy.
You´re nowhere to be found
You´re lost somewhere out there, and I am here in plain
sight yet I am just as lost. I search everywhere, I can hear your voice in my head, I close my eyes and there you are. I reach out into the darkness but find only the void left behind. I cry for your safety with each breath as I speak to God and I remember the times you spoke to him too. I nap if I can but with the phones beside my head. I have a little more of my soul drained each hour you are not here and my heart is shredded from worry and fear. I look now under the Christmas tree where it should be empty but presents you asked for are still there wrapped and waiting to bring a smile to your face. Yes it is New Years Eve for most, but this year will not end or move forward for me as long as you are not here to show me what the new year will bring.
So while those around me celebrate and bring in the new year, I will shed several more tears and only think of you and finding you as fast as I can. Heather show me how to find you, show me how to live again, please please God please I can no longer do this." -- Terry Elvis

JerseyJane said...

In wife interview, wife said last text on her husband phone was on November 5 or 15( don't have it in front of me)... Heather just sent a . <(a period)..... Was that her way communicating to him, she got her period and isn't pregnant? Of course, in interview wife didn't ACT like she caught on..
Well, December is a different month for getting pregnant that's for sure... Lord only knows the shit this guy sold her..

Maggie, I'm not happy with the line about "the presents you asked for"..... Maybe that is why he calls them presents and not gifts.. A gift would be of his choosing. Granted, young ladies today tell what they want.... I'm feeling the father sees the rebel in her, she seems like she could get anything from her dad which just fueled her confidence to be cocky and brazen at least on social media.. I pray she would have made it thru this confusing time in her life, I don't believe it really was the Heather inside herself. People have all had their reckless or thoughtless moments in life growing up, until it dons on them, jeez, there are people in my life that really, really, love me and care about what happens to me. I have to be more careful and straighten up.. All life is precious, Heather and her family deserve to be a living unit.... I pray for a reunion first or answers at the very least.. The wife said in interview, husband realized she is crazy, stranger... Maybe parked sideway car was to point to that from the husband and wife..... Who knows? All u can do is guess without all the facts..

Sus said...

Really off topic, but I need help.

I cannot post to this blog from new IPhone and only intermittently from my kindle.

I posted for years with no problem, but now the posts go up then disappear.

About the same time I began having trouble I had to get a new router.

Are any of these things causing me to have a new IP address and be blocked here? That's my best guess, but then again...I'm not very techy.

Thanks for any help.
Sus

Sus said...

Really off topic, but I need help.

I cannot post to this blog from new IPhone and only intermittently from my kindle.

I posted for years with no problem, but now the posts go up then disappear.

About the same time I began having trouble I had to get a new router.

Are any of these things causing me to have a new IP address and be blocked here? That's my best guess, but then again...I'm not very techy.

Thanks for any help.
Sus

Anonymous said...

The New Years Eve prose poetry from the father is very beautiful but lonely, spoken from his troubled soul; is tragic, sad, heartbreaking. He loved Heather dearly and longs to see her, hold her once more. He fears the worst, finding no peaceful rest either day or night.

Sherrie Johnson said...

It is looking as if it wasn't the same Heather Elvis that had been in the hospital that night.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16366647-official-hcp-report-heather-elvis-checked-into-hospital-before-disappearance

Check-out the update.

Anonymous said...

if i recall correctly, the reason she needed to learn to drive a stick shift, is her car was a stick and she couldnt drive it.
if she did drive it to the dock herself, she might not have been able to get it moving again, may be the reason why it "sat" the way it did.

Katprint said...

Some murder victims are chosen randomly, like the recent string of mass shootings in malls, theaters, etc., but the vast majority of murder victims are killed by someone who wants to kill them in particular. Who-done-it types of murder investigations begin with exploring who might have had a motive to murder the victim. No murder victim deserves to be killed, but it makes sense to look for potential perpetrators who had reasons to want the victim dead.

JerseyJane said...

Good going, Sherrie!!! I didn't read yet, headed that way!:-)
Sad in a way, shotty police work? How hard is it to check a Social Security number to match up the person... Unless someone used her identity( that's pushing the envelope, though)... I'll read before I comment further..
As a parent, that would angrier me and scare me if the police messed up the simpliest of information. Just horrible!!

Anonymous said...

her car was found less than 3.5 miles from married man's home. i am lead to believe he just returned from a california two week trip that very night.

Anonymous said...

if he just returned from trip that night -- was can assume the conversation was significant..

did he really tell her he was leaving his wife for her? if heather said he said htis -- was this likely true?

Anonymous said...

strangely enough, her parents didnt like her tattoos, they are always stuck on you

Maggie said...

OK, this is interesting. Did Heather's Dad buy her the car? Why did she have a car she could not drive?

Just because her date gave her one lesson on how to drive a stick shift and she may have succeeded in driving it in a straight line in a parking lot does NOT mean she knew how to drive one. It is very tricky to learn how to use a clutch and a person has to have experience learning how to upshift and down shift and particularly would need experience stopping and restarting on an incline. In this situation, you need to learn how to use the emergency brake, ease the emergency brake down and then immediately start lifting up on the clutch while giving the car gas.
Why would someone buy her a car she could not drive? This seems like a power move.
It also makes me very doubtful Heather drove her car to the dock where it was found. Someone who knew how to drive a stick drove it there. Her date knew how. Her father knew how. Did they married guy know how?

Local anon in the Hailey Dunn case said...

Buying a stick shift car and not knowing how to drive it isn't necessarily unusual. I bought my first stick shift before I knew how to drive it because I found a used VW bug that I really liked for a great price and really wanted that bug. My father taught me drive it after I bought it.

I don't think that is relevant to this case but any and all things could be relevant. It might explian the photo her to her dad about learning to drive it. A proud moment for her.

Maggie said...

Local--I get way you are saying and agree. If a teenager wants a certain car but does not know how to drive stick, I can understand getting them the car, then teaching them to drive it. However, with Heather being 20 yrs old and needing to get back and forth to work as well as living on her own, needing to get to grocery store, etc. it wouldn't seem to be wise for her to get a car she could not drive. But certainly, I don't know all the details. I am sure it was a proud moment and that is why she shared it with her Dad.
I recently was able to watch a video interview with the Dad and I am concerned about the way he responded when the interviewer asked him what he would like to say to Heather if she is watching. He stumbles and hesitates and then says that if Heather is watching "or the person who is responsible" the message is the same. Maybe he is just tired, confused, etc but it seemed to me that he was hesitant to address Heather and chose instead to make his message vaguer by addressing it to her or the person responsible which actually makes no sense. This to me does raise the possibility of deception. I'll see if I can find the link.

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Sherrie Johnson said...

Heather drove an automatic Dodge Intrepid.

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2014/01/07/elvis-heather-missing-after-date-myrtle-beach-car-found

Her father had a truck that was a manual and she was told she could have it, if she learned to drive stick.

http://crimefeed.com/2014/01/heather-elvis-missing-pt-2-crime-feeds-interview-father-terry-elvis/

JerseyJsne said...

In police report, Heather had 2 receipts found in her vehicle, one from a drive-thru with a camera, so I was thinking she was in a car she could drive.. So I didn't speak about her car here cuz others may have found out things I haven't... Hell, the police said heather was at the hospital, they of all people, should get it right..

Anonymous said...

It is not a big deal that Heather bought a stick shift car (or her dad, if he's the one who bought it) that she had never driven before. My first car was a used stick shift that I didn't know how to drive, nor had I ever driven any other kind of car, until someone taught me how to drive the stick shift. Once upon a time a stick shift was all you could purchase, there were no automatic transmissions or automatic gear shifts.

Also, it is not a questionable character flaw that Terry did not respond to Heather's (last?) text message. It was late, the man had gone to bed, for heavens' sakes! How could he know that his daughter would disappear before the night was over? He couldn't.

My first suspect in Heathers' disappearance (and death) is the wife, Tammy, with the possible help of a friend she already had on standby, just waiting for the 'right time'. Second suspect is her husband and Heathers' married lover, Sidney; either one could have killed and disposed of her in a fit of rage.

Finally, it is even more likely that Heather met up with a total stranger(s) in the middle of the night, out where she had no business being at that time of the wee lonely dark hours and in an isolated place where she had no protection. Heather took many reckless risks. She was alone and could have easily been overtaken by one or more rapists/murderers, with one of them driving her car back to the spot where it was found.

Wasn't this in Myrtle Beach, S.C.? There have been several recent mysterious disappearances of missing young women in that area that have never been found or their disappearances solved. I'm sorry to say, but it is entirely likely that this one won't be solved either.

Anonymous said...

P.S... Thank you Sherrie for the update on the type of car Heather drove, plus the explanation of why she was learning to drive the stick shift. I stand corrected in my post at 9:13. T/Y.

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 1:19, 1/24: You said "strangely enough, her parents didn't like her tattoos, they are always stuck on you."

So? What's so strange about that? Just because most of the world gets tattooed, Heathers parents are strange because they don't personally like it? Did they have to like her tattoos? Weren't they allowed to express their dislike for Heather having defaced her body for the rest of her life? Show me a parent who wouldn't speak out about this if they didn't like tattoos?

A lot of tattoos make one look ridiculous, or like a thug, especially these parents who run out and get tattooed themselves. Did you ever stop to think that maybe they didn't want their daughter ruining her skin and making herself look like a thug gang gal?