Wednesday, September 12, 2012

Billie Dunn's Account: Part 8

This is the 8th appearance of Billie Dunn on the Nancy Grace Show, aired January 18th, 2011.  A profile of Billie Dunn is emerging.

She is an accomplished liar from childhood, who holds others in contempt, expects to be believed, and will turn in wrath towards anyone who calls her a liar.

She even blames Shawn Adkins for not answering a question that she did not ask him. 


Mystery Text in Missing Hailey Dunn Case
Aired January 18, 2011 - 20:00:00   ET
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GRACE: Good evening. I`m Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us. Bombshell tonight. As we go to air, we learn cops seize Hailey`s bed sheets, at this hour performing forensic tests to determine if a molestation and/or murder occurred there. Cops also investigating whether the live-in boyfriend, Shawn Adkins, has access to sulfuric acid at his job. Could that acid destroy a child`s body?



GRACE: Out to Billie Dunn. This is Hailey`s mother. Billie, thank you for being with us tonight. Did he tell you where he was...

BILLIE DUNN: Thank you.

GRACE: ... in between 7:00 and 9:00 AM?

BILLIE DUNN: No, I haven`t had a chance to ask him. No.
The word "no" is repeated, making it sensitive.  Then, we have her reason why she had not asked him.  This is highly sensitive.  In a yes or no question, the repetition of the word "no" is sensitive, but  the need to tell why makes it very sensitive:  deception is likely. 
If we look at her reason, it is deception via conclusion.  She has not had " a chance" to ask him.  Hailey has been missing for 23 days to this point.  
Deception Indicated

GRACE: OK. Let`s ask. What about it, Billie? Did you know? And there is video of him apparently smoking pot on video, which he -- you know, he must be a complete idiot to be doing that on video for the world to see.

BILLIE DUNN: Yes.

GRACE: You answered this question last night, but please answer it again for Maria.

BILLIE DUNN: OK. I did know about the mask. He had masks that he bought, he traded, he sold. I didn`t know about the videos or the pot smoking. But I did see last night on your show the videos. I do believe it`s before we got together, but I don`t think he was at least smoking pot while we were together. But I did know about the mask.
Billie Dunn here claims no knowledge about pot smoking or videos, but did see the video on the Nancy Grace Show last night. 


GRACE: To Billie Dunn. This is Hailey`s mother joining us live there in her home. Billie, what did cops tell you about taking Hailey`s bed sheets? 
Question: What did the cops tell you about the sheets?
Note that Dunn avoids answering.  The question is what did they "tell" you; not what do you know.  Note that Dunn does not want to reveal that the police are not talking to her yet Nancy Grace continued with questions about what the police were saying: 
DUNN: I just know when they came in and searched the house, they took a few things, which they`re more than welcome to take any and everything they need. I didn`t notice the sheet was missing for a couple of days. I did tell them to take it for the hounds, but, yes, they kept it and they can keep it, get anything they need. 
Note:  she does not answer the question.  
She brings up telling them to keep the sheets for the hounds, something that was brought up on the previous night in order to show herself in a positive, cooperating light. 
Nancy Grace senses that police are not telling her anything, and presses the issue.  Note when the name is employed there is an increase in attention: 
GRACE: Billie, what are they telling you about the investigation?

DUNN: Not a whole lot. More than everybody else. They do tell me -- I don`t want them to be too focused on Shawn. I want them to look everywhere, which they reassure me they are. They have different people looking at different areas. I just -- as long as I can believe that Hailey`s alive, I`m going to choose to believe that. But they do tell me they`re looking everywhere. 
Deceptive people instinctively employ language of comparison or relativity. 
"A whole lot" and "more"are both relative terms.  She was not asked about the volume of material police are telling her, but the topics.  
Note next the change from past tense to present tense:  "they do tell me" but then stopped:  Deception indicated
Next, Nancy Grace wants to focus on a suspicious time in which the body was likely dumped: 

GRACE: I want to go back to Billie Dunn. Back to the question the caller presented earlier. Between 7:00 and 9:00 a.m.. Why? Why? Let`s see that ping record again, Liz. The map. Why would he go into work, Billie, take a look at his boss, 6:00 a.m., take a sip of soda and walk out? Then tell you he got fired or quit or some such story as that when the boss said that`s not what happened at all. He just turned around and walked out. Then his pings placed him back around your home between 6:30 and 7:00 a.m. Then between 7:00 and 9:00, nothing. Then the pings put him at his mother`s house around 9:00 up until 2:40 p.m.

What do you see in that scenario, Billie Dunn? What`s he doing back around your home?

DUNN: I don`t know. That`s all stuff I need a lot of answers to, that we all need a lot of answers to.
Note the change of pronouns from "I" to the weaker, "we"; Perhaps Billie Dunn, after 23 days, hasn't had "the chance" to ask him yet. 

GRACE: Well, have you tried to ask him?

DUNN: No.
Using Dunn's style of deception, this is unusual.  She appears stunted.  Even when she is caught, she often goes beyond the yes or no answer, but here, she says nothing more. 

GRACE: Why?
She is caught in the obvious and will have to lie.  This is the type of lie that is easily disproven by evidence: 

DUNN: I haven`t spoke with him. 
If she has not spoken "with" him (distancing language) it stands to reason that while not speaking with him, there were no questions asked.  But Billie Jean Dunn is not being truthful about communication.  When someone says, "What did he say to you?" they do not want the answer limited:
1.  He said nothing but he did e mail me.
2.  He said nothing but he did text me.
This is technical truth, but deceptive on purpose.  She knows she can be caught with it, so she qualifies their communication:  
He`ll send a text every now and then. 
Note the avoidance of specific past tense:  "he sent a text" but the tense is different;  "he'll" is "he will" which can be ongoing. 
She is a well practiced deceiver.  This is important to know as a profile of Dunn emerges from her own words. 
But I haven`t asked him, why did you come back to the house? 
Here the word "but" refutes her own words. 
She then asks a question, speaking to herself.  This is something that she may be asking herself, regarding their planning.  
He never let me know that.
This is the language of both a deceptive sociopath and an addict.  
The sociopath is something that is emerging:  she is a liar from her earliest years of childhood, accomplished, with an expectation to be believed.  She holds others in contempt and anyone who challenges her will be subject to her wrath. 
Note:  an addict often blames others. 
Here, she blames Shawn Adkins for not telling her the answer to a question she did not ask. 
Question:  How is it that the guests could not have heard this?

 I didn`t know that until the affidavits came out and showed his pings. That he had come back here first, then to Big Spring. 

Yet still has not asked him.  
She is deceptive about communication and this question caught her off guard.  She has the self confidence to believe she could pass a polygraph, but could not.  She has the self confidence to believe she could pull off appearances on national television without getting caught.  She was wrong. 
Nancy Grace does not want to let this go.   Not as a mother, and not as a prosecutor, nor as a host. 

GRACE: Well, why haven`t you asked him?

DUNN: I haven`t spoke with him.
Why not ask him?
Why not ask him via text?  She is caught. 
GRACE: Yes, I know that. My question is, why? I would want to know why. What were you doing back around my house?

DUNN: I want to know too.

GRACE: Well then why haven`t you asked him? Oh, because did the cops tell you not to talk to him?
A critical mistake.  Sociopaths are good at picking up weakness and here Nancy Grace opened a door for Dunn to walk through: 

DUNN: I`m not allowed -- no. When I call over there, they don`t let me talk to him. They won`t put him on the phone. 
Deception indicated
"I'm not allowed to" suggests that someone has authority over her ,and she is subject or submissive (obedient) to this authority.  
She then digs a deeper hole:
"When I call over there" is an admission of her calling him.  Before she said that they didn't talk (technically true) but only he texts her, but now, more information is coming out:  she calls him but they, whoever "they" are, won't let him talk.  The problem with this lie is that Dunn already said that he texts her, indicating that he has a cell phone so she does not have to call the house phone for "them" not to put him on.

GRACE: What about a cell phone?

DUNN: He doesn`t have a cell phone.
How does he text every few days?  Deception indicated. 

GRACE: So when you call over there, what do they say?



GRACE: Well, text him.

DUNN: That Shawn -- Shawn can`t talk to you.

GRACE: He can`t talk to you or he won`t talk to you. Because obviously he can still speak.

DUNN: Per his lawyer, he can`t talk to me. 
Now it has changed again.  It is not "they", it is a lawyer.  Shawn Adkins is obeying his lawyer?  This proved to be a lie as well when the lawyer told him not to go on radio but Adkins did, at the convincing of Dunn. 

GRACE: So his lawyer -- man, that was like pulling a tooth. His lawyer has told him not to talk to you?
The point is:
She has to pull teeth to get an answer from the mother of a missing child, who lies boldly and consistently, and when caught, changes tactics to diversion. 
DUNN: (INAUDIBLE).

GRACE: It`s OK. His lawyer has told him not to talk to you?

DUNN: Right.

GRACE: Why?

DUNN: I don`t know. There`s a lot of questions I have and I guess that`s why. Also, I have gone over there with Texas Rangers to try to get him to come talk. Shawn, you need to talk. It`ll just be two guys. There`s a lot of answers you can provide. And that`s probably why they`re not wanting me to talk to him.

This is interesting:  "I have gone over there with Texas Rangers to try to get him to come talk"  
The Texas Rangers may see it quite differently.  Reports were that she was picked up and they went to pick him up as well.  Both were being questioned in the disappearance of Hailey Dunn.  She portrays it as if she and the TR's went together, to all pull together and convince him, yet...
she won't ask him a single question?
yet...
she had not had the chance to ask him a single question?
Deception indicated. 



DARRYL COHEN, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Nancy, my view is if you have nothing to hide, then you hide nothing. I never tell a client if he or she is innocent to keep their mouth shut. Only if I believe that they`re guilty and they have something to hide.

GRACE: Put him up. Put him up because I can think of cases off the top of my head, Darryl Cohen, where your client did not take the stand. I assume that means you knew he was guilty?

COHEN: You`ve got that right. If I think they`re guilty, they`re not going to testify if I have my way. Absolutely. 
A rare truthful statement from an attorney. 




GRACE: To Howard Oliver, Deputy Medical Examiner, Forensic Pathologist, joining us out of L.A. You`ve heard the discussion about the acid that cops believe the boyfriend has access to at his job. What would that do to a body?

HOWARD OLIVER, DEPUTY MEDICAL EXAMINER, FORENSIC PATHOLOGIST: Well, it would take a great deal of acid, enough to submerge the body but it would disintegrate all the tissues off the body including the bones.



GRACE: Let`s go back over that with Billie Dunn. Billie, you have a 16-year-old son. What time did he leave the house the night before?

DUNN: I thought he left around -- he says he left around 9:00 and Hailey was in his room playing his Xbox. I thought he left a little earlier.

GRACE: Now, what time did you see her last, the night before?

DUNN: I saw her about 10:00 or 11:00 in her bedroom.

GRACE: Was she still playing games?

DUNN: No. She was watching TV, laying in bed.

GRACE: Now, the next morning, you checked in on her before you left. And you believe you saw her lying in her bed around 6:00 a.m., right?

DUNN: Right.




VERONICA, NORTH CAROLINA: My question is, when Shawn went to work, could he have went just for an alibi?

GRACE: Yes, he could have. What about it? Out to you, Marc Klaas.

MARC KLAAS, PRESIDENT AND FOUNDER, KLAASKIDS FOUNDATION: I think absolutely he could are gone for an alibi. It makes sense. I mean, he went there, he got a Coke, he turned around and he came right back to Colorado City. It`s not been explained why he did that and, in fact, he`s denied that he did that.


5 comments:

john said...

Peter,
Reading all the transcripts and case notes you would be forgiven if you thought that you were reading a Hollywood draft for a Psychological thriller.It seems like a game of cat and mouse to her, which makes it all the more disturbing..

john said...

Peter,What do you make of this?

911 Call Transcript - Finding Samantha Runnion's Body


http://crime.about.com/od/sex/a/911_runnion.htm


Lis said...

Billie is one of those people who there is no point to talk to because she cannot tell the truth.

People like this often get the mistaken impression that they are skillful at deceiving people because most people just walk away and avoid a liar. They see the lies and they surmise there is no point at confronting them. A conversation with a liar is an exercise in meaninglessness.

I've read some researchers believe that this pathological lying begins in infancy, when babies are abused and neglected. They begin to tell themselves "I'm not hungry" "I'm not cold" "I'm not scared". They go numb and their brains get subverted.

Peter, these captchas are really hard! lol

Eliza said...

"COHEN: You`ve got that right. If I think they`re guilty, they`re not going to testify if I have my way. Absolutely."

Finally, someone admits what we all know.. If someone is innocent, he/she will shout it on the top of their lungs! An innocent person does not hide, does not avoid questionning of the police (like the Ramseys for instance), does not avoid polygraphs.

Lemon said...

Billie Dunn is deceptive because she has a need to be deceptive.