Saturday, March 22, 2014

Grand Jury Indicts the Moorers

A Grand Jury returned indictments for Indecent Exposure and Obstruction against Tammy and Sidney Moorer.

I was able to speak to people close to the Moorers who reported that Tammy was so controlling that she had actually posted messages "from Sidney to her" on Facebook and other places in which she portrayed him as utterly devoted to her.  Tammy was reported to have very low self awareness, but a narcissist with a huge ego, believing herself to be a 'sex goddess' and feigning that all men "want" her.  Narcissistic, demanding, entitled, and clever, she thought herself above others, and could "game the system" to get what she wanted, including the bizarre preoccupation with Disney.

I also learned that Sidney is a cold-hearted, violent man, who attempts to downplay his assault charge with Tammy's father and and a neighbor.  One man told me that it was Sidney, himself, who held the neighbor steady while Tammy's father repeatedly kicked him, with Sidney steadying the victim to make the most of the blows against him.  Sidney tried to play it down a small dispute among neighbors, rather than the thuggery and bullying that it was.

Tammy's father is an insight to Tammy, and may be a source of violence.  WMBF News Anchor Michael Maely has been charged with trespassing after attempting to get a comment from the parents of Tammy Moorer, the woman charged with kidnapping and murdering 20-year-old Heather Elvis.
According to a court summons from the State of South Carolina, on February 27, Maely entered the land of Tammy's father William Caison, located on the 8700 block of Highway 814 in Myrtle Beach. The Horry County Police report states there are about 100 "no trespassing" signs around Caison's property.
About "100" no trespassing signs affirms what a neighbor reported about the anti-social mentality of the clan. 

The information about the kids is not appropriate for publishing, as they will need much help in building lives with their safety and well being paramount.  Suffice to say that it would be expected that these two would be not only neglectful parents, but, (and this is polite), they were also "confused" parents who could only emotionally hurt their children by not only Tammy's massive ego, but Sidney's calloused nature and subordinate posture to his wife's bullying.

What I have heard is consistent with what many commentators have written about, even from the statements and posts of the couple, as profiles have emerged.

Tammy Moorer did not, as expected, seek to hide her animosity and contempt of Heather Elvis, her victim, without fear of drawing negative attention to herself.

The wrath of Tammy Moorer fell, in all of its fury, on Heather Elvis.

117 comments:

Nic said...

Poor Heather.

LE sound strong and intelligent in this case. It's refreshing to not be reading wishy-washy statements or worse not seeing or hearing anything at all (stall/cold case). They give me hope.

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Nic said...

When LE served the search warrant and it came out that they found, amongst other things, Heather's journals at their house, I wondered how he would get his hands on them without her knowledge/her missing them. D'uh, his pay phone call was a mal intent/manipulate/conniving "booty call" which got him in the door in the first place. He killed her and then helped himself to her private things. (Trophies?)

IMO, the whole night was planned and premeditated. They were stalking her while she was out on her date so they knew when she would be home alone. They tried to set up the boyfriend to be the fall guy, and the second phone call 'to' the pay phone was a ruse. Maybe even the three calls at the boat launch was an attempt to make it look like she was alone and afraid. jmo

They are sick people.

Nic said...

I think the Moorer clan will have a hard time getting anywhere with the "trespassing" charges. Especially if there was no evidence he had been there before, there was no gate/the gate was open (permission), he went up to the front door via the drive-way and he left when told to do so.

MemphisPat said...

Nic, I had not heard that they had Heather's journals. I'd love to know the source. I can't imagine that Tammy could have resisted entering Heather's apartment so there will surely be some of her DNA there. Your theory about the phone calls makes sense. It was so hard to imagine that the Moorers could have done much of anything in 5 minutes. Tammy's love of Nancy Grace's show would have surely made her aware of manipulating telephone call evidence. I again wonder if the body found this week in Florida might turn out to be Heather.

Sus said...

I'm behind, Nic. Are you saying they found Heather's journals at the Moorer's? Where did you see that?

MemphisPat said...

Nic, I believe I read that the news crew has everything they did on video. The dad's claims will be poo-poked right out of court.

MemphisPat said...

Nic, I believe I read that the news crew has everything they did on video. The dad's claims will be poo-pooed right out of court!

Anonymous said...

Here is a link to an article about WMBF fighting the trespassing charge.

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_cc8aa0ac-b0fc-11e3-9730-0017a43b2370.html?mode=jqm

Doty said...

Question
Does this indictment mean they Were Not indicted for murder? Or did that already happen by a different grand jury?

Ney said...

Doty,
The Moorers were indicted for murder.

"The indictment stated the husband and wife kidnapped 20 year old Elvis and ‘willingly, feloniously, and intentionally’ murdered her on December 18, 2013."

http://www.nbcnews.com/feature/missing-in-america/missing-america-heather-elvis-update-n59271

Court photos:
http://www.thestate.com/2014/03/21/3340744/moorers-indicted-in-elvis-murder.html

Anonymous said...

"Sidney's calloused nature and subordinate posture to his wife's bullying."

"cold-hearted and violent man"

held man still while Tammy's father kicked him repeatedly

How did Tammy succeed in dominating, bullying and subordinating
this cold-hearted, violent calloused man who has no problem fully dominating another man by holding him still so he can be defenseless while another man mercilessly kicks him?

Ney said...

From the link above:

"The indictments filed against the couple were true bill indictments, which means that the case will not have a preliminary hearing at which more evidence could be presented publicly. "

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Anonymous said...

Im finslly seeing some of the wolf in shheps clothing i was falling for on here. thanks for hints from a number of you. - somanyways on my phone

Bonnie Blue said...

This site won't let me post under the appropriate article, so I will put it here:
Peter,
I have a question about Tammy's fb post & your analysis;
In Tammy's facebook post concerning her children & Mr. Elvis, it was shown in analysis that kidnapping was synonymous with killing, in Tammy's mind, concerning her children.

Later in the post she explains Sydney being stupid, etc. and that the reason she now has to get involved because Heather's father threatened to "hurt" her children.

It's no longer threatened to "kill" her children. It was kidnap=kill and now it's kidnap=hurt. Why the downgrade?

It reminds me of when a guilty one is denying killing another, and they say, "I did not hurt him".

Is this more leakage and maybe she is minimizing what she is aware that she has done?

Also, I think when she is speaking of Heather and name-calling, she is projecting.

Red Ryder said...

"The wrath of Tammy Moorer fell, in all of its fury, on Heather Elvis"

My question is, is she the type of narcissistic psycho that when her fury fell she would require obliteration or an example be made of?

I ask because I have had the experience of 2 of these types of people in my life. One was violent the other is sneaky and manipulative. One would attack violently and make sure others knew as a deterrent to other potential "offenders", while the other manipulates behinds the scenes and causes unbelievable pain and destruction while they sit innocently by reaping whatever benefit they intended to gain from it (and there is ALWAYS an objective and they are ALWAYS 5 steps ahead of me until I confronted and got ostracized :)
I'm leaning toward TM being one to make an example of Heather. I would not be surprised if she told someone else, maybe her parents, oldest child. She probably has Heather's purse, used her makeup etc. if she went to Heather's apartment she would take anything related to Sydney. It's all part of that high school, "so there" mentality. It's all hers now. The prosecutors comment of "we still have mounds and mounds of evidence" could take on a whole new light if there is any truth to Heather's belongings at the Moorer compound.

Nic said...

From an earlier thread. Again, thanks to cat for linking...

cat said...
https://twitter.com/MarcLiverman/status/445633070428069888

State says Moorer's compound had many thing related to entire Elvis family like pictures, journal entries. #HeatherElvis #YourNews
https://twitter.com/MarcLiverman/sta...33

Anonymous said...

Great point i suspect sidney wa more in controll than it looks like but gave tammy feeling ofcontrol s gift to try to apease suffering he caused her with affair.

Jen Ow said...

Hi Nic,

I took the mention of the journal entries to mean that they were things written by the Moorer's ABOUT Heather. Have you read that they were actually Heather's journals? Would you mind posting the link? Thanks!

Nic said...

My mistake. Journal entries doesn't mean in possession of Heather's journals.

Obviously they were stalking Heather and family.

Nic said...

Yes, you're right, Jen Ow. You and I were posting at the same time. ;0)

Nic said...

I have a question about Tammy's fb post & your analysis;
In Tammy's facebook post concerning her children & Mr. Elvis, it was shown in analysis that kidnapping was synonymous with killing, in Tammy's mind, concerning her children.


If you're referring to the "eye for an eye" analysis, that was mine, not Peter's. How I came about it might not be in compliance with Peter's teachings and it doesn't follow in the same vein as his analysis. In other words, I'm learning so take what I post with a grain of salt. :0)

Anonymous said...

I agree, I dont believe she could have dominated him in any type of literal, effective way, but I can believe he let her talk tough and have some bravado. Very important difference though as he actually sounds quite violent and nonempathetic so I see no way she could have subordinated him.

MemphisPat said...

Nic and Jen Ow, I remember seeing that now and assumed it was Tammy's journal entries about Heather. Tammy was a real journal-keeper about her Disney adventures so there may be some real meat there. She reminds me of Richard Nixon in that she thinks the minutae of her life is so interesting, it must be recorded...even if it brings on criminal charges.

Nic said...

o/t

Red Ryder,

Your post about the person in your life being 5 steps ahead reminds me of why I am not on social media. There was someone in my life who was stalking my FB page, taking information from it, creating half truths and causing major problems for me with common friends (with the result they wouldn't speak to me anymore).

She changed her hair style to the same as mine and dressed similarly. She got married the exact same way I did (same establishment, same kind of reception (immediate family only)). She used the exact same elopement wording I did to announce to everyone she got married and had a house party, like we did for friends on another day. She could never have kids, but she managed talked her sister into naming her baby boy the same name as my son's.

If the girls were getting together, she would always "volunteer" to pass on the invitation and would withhold it until a day or so ahead of time so I would be too busy for the "last minute" invite. One time a bunch of us planned to go antiquing and agreed to meet at a coffee shop to start. We made a list of the places where we would go (in order). I couldn't make the coffee but said I would meet them at the first place. She somehow managed to change the order of the start place and I wasn't able to catch up with them after that. (I'm going back to when my kids were still toddlers and I didn't have a cell phone.) When I finally did at the end of the day (another girl's house for a glass of wine,) the girls were like, "Sorry, we decided to do x and x first. Hope you're not mad." She even sent me a 5 page rant about things that never happened. Like not allowing anyone to see my son for six months and how much that hurt her and her parents. ? My son was pre-mature and no one was allowed to be around him until he was a certain size/weight and RSV season was over. She was the one who organized my shower and it was documented via pictures that everyone got to see him/hold him months before she said, but she still claimed otherwise.

In hind sight there were a lot of "pearls" to string together that say I shouldn't have had anything to do with her but things were small and every so often. Not all the time. The last straw was her trying to cause problems in my marriage by injecting someone we went to h.s. with (her husband's b.f.) into the mix. She filled his head with all sorts of romantic ideas about unrequited love, etc. That's when I de-friended her from my FB account and then I cut all communication and opportunity for her to learn anything private about me but closing my FB account. I'm of the opinion that if anyone wants to know what I'm up to, they can do it the old fashioned way and call me. Even then, anyone still associated with her I keep it light and impersonal.






Cranky Yankee said...

To anon @ 12:28 It would seem that the alfa beast would encourage the subordinate beast to do her bidding, when the situation presented itself. Then it's back in the cage.

Bonnie Blue said...

Nic said...
I have a question about Tammy's fb post & your analysis;
In Tammy's facebook post concerning her children & Mr. Elvis, it was shown in analysis that kidnapping was synonymous with killing, in Tammy's mind, concerning her children.

If you're referring to the "eye for an eye" analysis, that was mine, not Peter's. How I came about it might not be in compliance with Peter's teachings and it doesn't follow in the same vein as his analysis. In other words, I'm learning so take what I post with a grain of salt. :0)

Nope, I was referring to Peter's article:

"Here in may be the leakage of marbles.
Do I think Terry Elvis or one of his friends threatened to kill her children? No. I think that it is likely that one would say, "How would you feel if this was your child?" but the "God" heard it from the point of her own guilt: Projection.

"How would you like it if this was your child?" is followed with "How would you like WHAT?"

What?
"what happened to Heather? is the answer.
Tammy's mind goes to death.
"Threatening to kill my children.""


She says that by Terry or his friends asking what happened to Heather, or, how would you feel if this was your child? was the same as them saying they were after her children to kill them. This is not what was said, but what she heard in her own mind.

Then later she is still speaking of the exact same event but now instead of them wanting to "kill" her children, now they want to "hurt" the children and Sidney.

somanyways said...

there must be so many people who posses these qualities listed: domineering of their spouses - minimizing fist fights -- women who deny that they can't retain charms of their youth.

this personality stuff is only evil when seen through the lense of -- and all this led ot kidnapping and murder.

but it's a chicken and egg, cyclical perspective.

none of this personality stuff, alone, proves guilt of kidnapping and murder.

we need evidence. if not statements showing guilty knowlegde - then cold facts.

circumstatial is fine - so long as it is conclusive, so far it is not conclusive.

we need conclusive facts. that's what matters.

JoAnn said...

The more I learn about the Moorers, the less likely I think it is that one of them will give up Heather's location. Sidney may be the weaker of the two in their marriage, but equally capable of violence. His position as the "holder" suggests he was subordinate to Heather's father, and I think the same dynamic was in place between Sidney and Tammy, he to be the holder while she perpetrates violence (punishment). It frightens me to think what their children have experienced.
Sidney must be able to hide his cruel and violent side, at least well enough that a young girl like Heather couldn't see what kind of man he was.
Deception, manipulation and violence. Yes, we can gain insight into Tammy by learning about her own father's actions. She is exactly what she learned to be growing up with violent people. My hope for the Moorer children is that they find a home far away from anyone in that family, but I fear they will grow up on the compound.

Bonnie Blue said...

Tammy is still in control. She will never give up where Heather is. If anyone is going to cave in, it will be Sidney as soon as he sees he can use it to his advantage.

About the journal, it could be Tammy's journal. Or, maybe Heather carried a journal in her car along with the missing purse & cell?

I think Peter was correct in thinking that Sidney did call Heather that morning saying he was leaving Tammy. This was what caused Tammy to escalate to eliminating the competition immediately. Removing Heather must have been Sidney's punishment for his betrayal to the queen.

I wonder why Tammy's boyfriend of a couple of years hasn't come forward to defend his love?

Anonymous said...

somanyways, I agree many people possess these traits. Also many women would feel angry if their husband cheated and might try to take some control measures like looking at what goes on with their phone calls, etc.
Even diagnosing Tammy with clinical narcissism (which I think she does show signs of but her sharing her husband's infidelity on facebook makes me question whether narcissism truly fits, most narcissists would not want to piblically share a deep narcissistic injury, I think her FB post did show a capacity for cruelty and also showed masochism, paradoxically, in sharing publically a deep humiliation and even describing it in vivid terms "banged a hoe 3 times in the backseat of her car" so that her fb readers would actually conjur a visual image of her husband humilating her, this is masochistic). We need evidence. We need evidence it was her and Sidney togetger.

ima.grandma said...

Sus, Nic and JenOw

I saw this post yesterday about the reference to journals.

http://upstatecriminals.blogspot.com/2014/03/heather-elvis-murderers-bond-hearing.html

TM Obsessed with HE family. LE found pics of HE family on TM's computer. A Journal was also found w/ Birthdates, Addresses, Anniversaries, Schools of HE family. 

Dacea said...

This past December there was a house fire in MO in which 2 little boys lost their lives. The father claimed he was asleep and had tried to save them to no avail. He has now been arrested for starting the fire.

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/father-charged-with-leaving-sons-to-die-in-fire/21048998_25086856

RedRyder said...

"Tammy's father is an insight to Tammy, and may be a source of violence. "

All parents are insights into their children as they are the mold that forms the clay as it were (with a lot of wiggle room for children to break out of the mold). A lot of women marry men that have attributes of their fathers both for good or ill. I wonder how alike SM and TMs dad are? By the sounds of it they are of like mind in violence. And fighting.
I thought it was interesting that TMs mom came to court, no dad?Did she bring the kids? I'm sure it was an awful day for her but I was struck by the resemblance and thought~formidable.
Perhaps TM has patterned her marriage after what she learned?

Nic said...

Until these cases go to trial, all "circumstantial" evidence is between prosecution and defense. The gag order ensures nothing will be played out/ analyzed/discussed in the media.

LE said upfront that all they had was circumstantial evidence,

""I can tell you this isn't a case where we are looking for smoking gun, it was just the combination of evidence that was already there and the new evidence just added to that. So we don't have video of them killing her or anything along those lines," said Jimmy Richardson with the Horry County Solicitor's Office."
http://www.wrbl.com/story/24823249/horry-county-police-explain-whats-nex


and that it included DNA.

"Capt. Dale Buchanan with Horry County Police said, "We have evidence that will be processed with us. SLED is assisting us with processing some of the forensic evidence. Is some of that evidence DNA? Yes.""
http://www.wmbfnews.com/story/24804641/hcpd-couple-to-be-charged-with-murder-of-heather-elvis


The circumstantial evidence was strong enough to garner warrants and for a grand jury to charge them.

Unless there is something else breaking (Heather being found,) we have to wait until evidence is presented during the trials.

ima.grandma said...

Can anyone tell me about the function of the "solicitor"? We don't use that term here.

Jen Ow said...

I agree Joann,

I doubt that they are going to give up Heather's location. It's possible that they can't if they put her in the water. But even if they could, I don't think they likely will, based on what we know about their dynamic and prior behavior.

TM is well practiced at denying reality, and living in a fantasy world. She likely thinks she will somehow escape conviction and punishment, and be able to return to her 'nice home'.(in reality barely livable due to filth)

SM may be the weak link, but he probably won't give it up without Tammy's blessing.

On that topic, I could see Tammy wanting Sidney to take all the blame and plead guilty, as a way to prove his love/make the ultimate sacrifice for her and the kids. (In the hope that she would get off.) It would be a fitting ending as far as she was concerned, since she only had to commit these crimes due to Sidney's infidelity.

Nic said...

Waving to ima.grandma! I hope you're well.

Thank you for the link. Wow!

I was reading an article earlier this afternoon that said social media has done more harm than good for Heather's case and also, that it has, paraphrasing, forever changed how LE will proceed in the future.


Nic said...

Everyone wondered why Sidney would wear the ridiculous Mickey Mouse tie to the bond hearing. I think it was a subliminal message of "love" (her love of Disney,) unity/wouldn't roll over.

They're not going to breathe a word. jmo

JoAnn said...

Hi ima!!!
Hope you are feeling better every day.
In SC, the solicitor's office is responsible for prosecuting crime, and they run some other administrative programs. There are 16 solicitors in the state, they each serve the counties within their judicial district.

ima.grandma said...

This describes Tammy:

“Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm, but the harm (that they cause) does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves”. ~ T.S. Eliot

Carnival Barker said...

Anonymous said...
I agree, I dont believe she could have dominated him in any type of literal, effective way, but I can believe he let her talk tough and have some bravado. Very important difference though as he actually sounds quite violent and nonempathetic so I see no way she could have subordinated him.

March 22, 2014 at 1:13 PM
__________________________________
Anon,
She handcuffed him to the bed at night so he wouldn't sneak out, and he agreed to it. I'd say that's pretty dom/sub if you ask me.

@Imagrandma,
That's South Carolina term for a prosecutor. I believe it's because they are a Commonwealth.

JoAnn said...

Ima,
I was interrupted before I finished (dog) and published the comment anyway!
What I meant to say was the Solicitor in SC is the same as the District Attorney or State's Attorney elsewhere.

ima.grandma said...

Hi Nic, I read that same article and I tend to agree it has altered but also enhanced LE's procedural investigations all over the country.

My thanks to you and JoAnn for asking. Yesterday's activity overwhelmed and exhausted me. I'm feeling the consequence today. I'm sore and weak but satisfied lying in bed under the covers and letting the grandkids wait on me. You're right JoAnn, every day I will feel a little better so I have to practice patience, something I struggle with.

Red Ryder said...

Nic said re O/T : In hind sight there were a lot of "pearls" to string together that say I shouldn't have had anything to do with her but things were small and every so often. Not all the time.

That's scary! It sounds like that movie where that one girl took over the other girls life! Yes, who knows why you? What was it about you not letting her hold/see the baby that set off all this hate?
There is only one real solution and that is to cut off contact or to decrease it to bare minimum. It is amazing how narcissists can play people, "hiding" in plain sight! I have another one in my married in to family. At first I was the only one who could see it and was made to look worse than a fool. Slowly though, others have figured it out ( some, not all).
There are many good resources available. If you have survived a parental narcissist or sociopath you know how good they can look to people outside your house. For anyone dealing with disordered person I found a helpful blog called Lighthouse
http://lightshouse.org/lights-blog/narcissistic-supply-2
This is his blog on narcissistic supply. It made bells go off in my head big time:) Who knows one day maybe the M's kids will get a good counselor who can lead them to a place where they can be free. It's a better chance than Heather's kids, who will never be, will get:(

Jen Ow said...

Thanks for the link Ima! How are you feeling today?

ima.grandma said...

Jo and CB, I appreciate the additional info, I was wondering which office would correlate here.

ima.grandma said...

Hi JenOw, I'm feeling mostly lazy but I forgive myself. I can hardly wait for Spring and my flower beds to make up for it.

Jen Ow said...

Enjoy being lazy, you've earned it! My husband had disc surgery a few years ago...it's rough!

I am starting some seeds and planting bulbs this weekend. I'm a little worried about more cold weather, but I'm going to go for it anyway.

somanyways said...

IMO the moorers may very well be awful awful people and had an awful relationship with Heather. in fact nothing points to them being good people or having a desire to preserve Heather's well being. but the world is full of awful people and it's quite possible there were others who were more stealth in their actions who also wished Heather ill will. I don't see reason to be sure they did it. I realize it'll be a long time till the evidence comes out in trial, guess i'll just have to wait. I'll be really eager to hear testimony too. exactly what the moorers claim they were up to that night -- and how they claim it -- will tell a lot.

elf said...

I knew something was hinky with that guys story.

somanyways said...

something just occured to me -- if Sidney had been convincing in telling heather he wanted to leave his wife in pay phone call - why weren't Heather's tumbler posts rt after happy? she should have been pposting hearts and rainbows if she thought they were about roi make it real. but instead she posted a bunch of super sad poems and crying girls. from those images alone -- it's hard to believe she "fell" for the lure without skepticism, or fell at all

Anonymous said...

I think there is a strong possibility Sidney was used as a lure, part of a plan w other men involved possibly?
The journal found in Moorer house w names, birthdays, anniversarys, schools: Was this person (TM ot SM) writing this stuff down due to obssession or were they trying to break into email accounts which could also get them into bank accounts. I ask bc sometimes the things you set if you forget your password will ask what school you went to, sometimes question about when married or first boyfriend, then if you answer the ques it lets you back in your account. I have wondered when I have "set" my forgot my password ques if someone could pretty easily find out the info and get on my email.

Anonymous said...

Really? That is interesting, I didnt know she posted that kind of stuff right after, also she was crying to her friend? Doesnt seem she could have been happy.

somanyways said...

yeah they were sad stuff on tumbler right after pay phone call.

could somebody post link to the info on elvis's the moorers had in their home? that IS crazy -- I'd be interested to learn more

Nic said...

somanyways, ima.grandma already has above. A lot of Heather's Tumblr was deleted. No screen shots (under google images) of what you refer to, either.

Nic said...

Anonymous, that's a really interesting observation about collecting personal information.

They were known as gamers and then there was the issue of them withdrawing $5k on December 18. Not that they robbed any of the Elvis's. But the warrant says their finances were misrepresented so, **specualtion** where they get the money that was never reported in the first place?

I will be glued to my computer when these cases go to trial

somanyways said...

oh -- then all I got is my menory of them -- unless somebody else rememers too. what i remember is
they were line drawings of girls slumped against wall and crying and poems about heartbreak and sadness,

gamers as i video games? I dunno what gamers means in this context.

I'll look for link above thanks

Kellie said...

And I repeat :)

Sidney is a willing participant in a dom/sub relationship with Tammy. His tendency towards violence further cements that as a fact in my mind. He knows exactly what he's doing and his allowing Tammy to dominate is by design.

Anonymous said...

Nic, definitely, sounds like info that someone might be collecting to try to break into email, bank account, etc.
I wonder if there is any way what happened that fateful night Sidney and or Tammy were trying in some way to get money, give Heather some sob story like if Sidney was telling her he needed a chunk of money to escape Tammy or something? I don't remember reading about ATM withdrawals but when I was a waitress back in college (wasn't Heather a waitress?)I would sometimes have a lot of cash on me from not putting the cash tips I would get in bank, there was a point when I would have hundreds of dollars in my wallet (not smart!) But I guess prob money not involved that night?

JoAnn said...

Kellie,
Yep. However much TM got her thrills through dominating, sadistic behavior, old Sidney got his through submitting to domination. It can be a type of role-playing for sexual pleasure. Someone who role plays as a masochist can be a powerful, successful captain of industry. It doesn't always carry over into other parts of one's life. When the two players are married, the role playing can become the status quo. Sidney was willing to be handcuffed & treated like a child, but that doesn't rule out him being capable of violence & dominating behavior in a different relationship. He has proven to be violent, as he held the neighbor down so Tammy's father could kick him.

Anonymous said...

Here a possible scenario: Kidnapping for ransom gone awry. Tammy, Sidney, 2 fake texters plan to kidnap Heather for ransom (a way for Tammy to exert her vengeance and get a payday). The 2 fake texters "turn" on Tammy and Sidney and fake texts, nosing into investigation were them trying to still carry out getting the ransom. They make fake account from Tammy releasing texts of what they will tell, maybe planned on following up with other texts, info that "we have her and will return her if you drop off whatever amount of money at such and such location.

somanyways said...

thanks for link Ima,

wow that was a lot of new info, so a cop car saw elvis car at PTL at 4 a.m.?? hmm.

Tammy is obsessed -- that I'm seeing clearly.

Sidney however seems like he's trying to manage her -- asking sister for advice and agreeing Tammy needs to sober up doesn't sound like Sidney is on path toward murder.

Sounds like Sindey felt very guilty and agree to all terms to appease Tammy. but a grown man agreeing to handcuffing in bed is very different to being forced to be handcuffed. that alone seems just like private married couple stuff.

even the around town sex stuff -- to me -- that's just an attempt to keep their marriage.

but I also think -- esp from knowing Sindey asked Tammy sister for advie -- that Sidney really was unhappy in his marriage and really did want to leave. and it's hard to imagine him going from -- yeah Tammy needs to sober up -- to yes lets murder the woman I'd really rather be with.

Sidney sounds like an idiot but not a maniac.

hmmm.

somanyways said...

maybe many Tammy did it by herself and Sidney feels so guilty he wants to cover for her.

Kellie said...

Yep, JoAnn. :)
I think not only are they role-playing in their marriage, but also deeply and disturbingly involved in the sex industry.

Nic said...

If there was a misrepresentation of income, maybe it's because Tammy was a "working dom" hence the ideology that "all men" wanted her.

Nic said...

o/t Red Ryder thanks for the link. I had a lot of history with the woman I spoke about. We went to h.s. together and we also shared our first apartment. She worked nights (restaurant/bar) I worked days (office). It creeps me out that she most likely was rummaging through my stuff when I was at work. I think "the problem" is that her maternal grandparents were first cousins and married. All of her mom's siblings were bipolar and committed suicide. She is one of five. One is bi-polar another has been set up with a trust fund and is on long-term disability because of her 'emotional problems'. One of her nephews is bi-polar and tried to commit suicide. I don't think she escaped mental illness. Life experience and social evolution gives you, generally speaking, perspective. Some things really become apparent come your 30's. Academically, she is very smart. What I've been subjected to/seen there isn't an easy way to say to common 'friends' I can't be friends with her because... She's stealth. Her game reached a level that was way out of bounds and the only choice I had was to abruptly cut her off. So I know of what you speak. Some people will never see it because she won't let them.

Nic said...

Anonymous, I don't think you can withdraw anything more than $500 from an account on a given day. Two figures have been in the news. $5k and $10k. I don't know which is right; however, my understanding is that it was a withdraw (from teller). Maybe it was "fleeing" money.

Anonymous said...

I read they had 10,000 in a safe at home and withdrew 5000 the day of from somewhere. Where who knows, I can get more than 500 out of my ATM. Different banks have different limits.

Kellie said...

lol Nic :) and I repeat again. Where did all the cash come from? Cash receipts for services rendered.
People will pay ridiculous sums of money to be treated like dirt under someone's feet. What is most chilling to me is the Disney connection. The Mickey camper.

patrice said...

They both look so evil and so ugly. Justice for Heather.

polywog said...

I took it as journals by Tammy that mentioned Heather,

Sus said...

Thanks for the link, ima.grandma. It was surprising to me from the beginning that Tammy hadn't threatened to kill Sidney. Now I see she did, and herself.

There are so many signs that Sidney was abused by and completely under the control of Tammy. She had him isolated from his family. That was to control the flow of information. He was surrounded by her and her family till their crazy reality seemed normal.

Abusers use threats of suicide to lay on the guilt just like Tammy did. They often use shame, and I can just see Tammy shaming Sidney for his affair. They have allies (Tammy's father) and somehow they make themselves bigger than life so it seems impossible to cross them. Look how Tammy learned everything about Heather and her family. That had to be intimidating to Sidney.

I've thought a lot about "what if the roles were reversed?" There are women who have been pardoned for crimes because they were forced by an abuser to commit the crime.

I guess I'm just thinking out loud on the dynamics between the Moorers. I do think the signs are there that Sidney was long abused by Tammy. And he didn't take responsibility for leaving his victimization. I think LE would be wise to get him back in touch with his original family and/or counseling to locate Heather.

Anonymous said...

Solicitor from freedictionary.com:

1. a person who solicits, as contributions or trade.
2. an officer having charge of the legal business of a city, town, etc.
3. (in England and Wales) a member of the legal profession who advises clients, represents them before the lower courts, and prepares cases for barristers to try in the higher courts.
4. (in Canada) a lawyer.

Nic said...

Looking back at what Tammy posted and the words she used:

whore (prostitute)
fantasies (roll playing)
stalk (documentation of the elvis family)
boyfriend - euphemism for "john"
2 years - how long she's been working?

*****

psycho(path) - "a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior"
twisted person - "forced out of its natural shape"




Kellie said...

Yep, Nic. AND TM referred to Sidney as Heather's "bitch" until she realized the age difference and then she referred to him as "dad". All of that is the language of an S&M lifestyle.

elf said...

I think the ten grand in cash found in the moorers home safe (or whatever) was money Tammy embezzled from her Disney vacation planning business.

Sus said...

LE also found Florida ID's for all the Moorers. I have to assume they were receiving in-state benefits while in Florida.

Kellie said...

Oh yeah, they were scamming and scheming in all directions. I'm sure they have multiple sources of income, none of which were being put in the bank or reported to the government.

Anonymous said...

Since when did you HAVE to put money in a bank? Not saying they were not scammers, but not putting money in a bank is not a crime. I like to put mine in a safe, I see no reason to have it sitting in a bank ;)

Kellie said...

Anonymous said...

Since when did you HAVE to put money in a bank? Not saying they were not scammers, but not putting money in a bank is not a crime. I like to put mine in a safe, I see no reason to have it sitting in a bank ;)

March 23, 2014 at 5:19 PM

_________________________

Since when did anyone SAY you HAVE to put money in the bank? Your response to my comment is unexpected.

Anonymous said...

As was your statement....

Anonymous said...

The wild speculation on here is hilarious. To be followed up with I bet that money wasn't being put in the bank or reporter was just too funny.

Anonymous said...

Or reported to the government *. Was just too funny :)

Anonymous said...

Does anyone here with knowledge of the law know how this case might be effected if Tammy tries to separate herself from responsibility for controlling Sidney by using the Disney Dominatrix Defense?

kellie TRAMP said...

Trampppp

Anonymous said...

NO!!! Coz I have a job,and don't care.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, a lot of people bank money...not everyone though. Why? Makes no sense, I like to have my money available for when I decide to spend it. I don't like daily limits or having to fill out a piece of paper to get my money. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe tammy didn't put her money in the bank because she wanted to take off to Disney whenever she felt like it. Lmao. Her money, her choice ;) just because her money was not in the bank does not mean she did sex favors/domination/ for money. And you guys want this blog taken seriously.

Anonymous said...

Whoever is writing this im glad you are writing it. the soeculation on these people is off charts. looking for evil in mundane inscrupulous behaviour only makes "case" look weaker. what matters is how when why where did they kill her. and if not. what did happen to heather.

Anonymous said...

Where is proveable case

Anonymous said...

Anon 9:36, I'm guessing they will try to build a circumstantial case based on showing Tammy had motive, phone call from Sidney followed immediately by Heather going to dock (this might be hard to prove 100%), then video images of Moorer truck soon thereafter speeding to and from dock, Heather's car seen at dock at 4 am. There's the case. It will be whether jury votes guilt. If there was actually a later phone call (6 am?) I am guessing they will have to allege that she was killed somewhere besides the dock. Defense has a lot of angles they can take to try to sway jury there is not overwhelming evidence. But the motive factor, video of truck ( this connects them to Heather's disappearance). It's not the most solid case ever but prob enough to try it I think.

Anonymous said...

If it weren't for the 3 kids without their parents or the dead girl this would be funny, they got this women running around with whips and chains, her husband on a leash, with Mickey ears, hoarding money with horns on her head! None of this is going to find heather....

Anonymous said...

It is a strange scenario with the Disney obssession and the whips and chains. Weird though, I dont know if anyone saw 48 Hours last night. I caught the last part of it. They were interviewing this lady who murdered some guy, I think it was trying to get some of his lottery winnings. The lady starts tearing up and saying "I'm a good person. I like Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Tinkerbell..." It was pretty surreal after reading about the Elvis case!

Kellie said...

I didn't ~speculate~ TM chaining Sidney to the bed as "probation" and referring to him as a "bitch" or their kidnapping and murder of a young woman, their sending lewd photos to minors, their fraudulent use of the welfare system or the fact that their children are so coached that no one can get the same story from all 3 of them. It's all right there for anyone to see if they have the mind to look. To imagine them stockpiling cash from any other evil deeds they may be into isn't much of a stretch!

The most bizarre speculation I've seen is that Sidney is some sort of a victim! Riiiight. Heather Elvis is dead and it was at the hands of both the Moorer's.

Anonymous said...

Is there a link to their fraudulent use of the welfare system? I've only seen that stated as rumor, was it ever confirmed?

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the cash withdrawl is assumed to be payment for a hit. its only way i could see it being relevant to case. wondering if they are sure its same truck going to and fro. wondering if their intent was to lure why they were so lax in answering their phone when shed call. wondering how theres zero evidence of body scent or bloodconsidering these people dont know how to clean even a kitchen. wondering how they fit in disposing of body and two outdoor car sex sessions all before sunrise. wondering how they coild know heather was at peach tree landing when she called from thereif they didnt pick up and didny have cell tower info. wonder how cops even know exact location calls were made from never heard of cell towers providing more than general vicinity towards one tower more than others.

Anonymous said...

Never heard so much character bashing without facts relevant to case. guess this is like tarring and feathering or something.

Anonymous said...

Ya sounds about rt for trial. i expect they could be found guilty with that. i think its a weak case tho. im not convinced they did it. to me its like hijacking theory on plane. looks probable and could very well be it but without more info there remain other possabile scenerios. i dont think cops have dna. i think they believe it must be somwwhere in mess at moorer home but so far no luck. they may not need it to convict. but i wont be convinced of their guilt without more proof of some kind. disney handcuffs and sex dont do it for me.

Katprint said...

I haven't seen these text message comments by Tammy Moorer posted/analyzed yet. From http://www.wrbl.com/story/24992456/bond-hearing-for-horry-county-couple-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman

"In court Monday, the prosecutor introduced at least two messages from November:

Nov. 1, 2013

To Heather.. someone's about to get their a-- beat down.. your b--- is about to take his last breath... You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... that way wont have a great turn out for you... I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one.

To Heather.. I've been having Sidney followed since Jan. 2012.. it's best you call back and speak to me, save yourself. Hey ...... you ready to meet the MRS?

Heather responds...
I think you are a little obsessed with me. I'm nobody you need to worry about anymore."

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Never heard so much character bashing without facts relevant to case. guess this is like tarring and feathering or something.

March 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM
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You must be new to Peter's blog. Character bashing without facts is what he does best. Most of his info comes from Facebook speculation adn rumors, which he then reports as fact, over and over and over, until even he believes himself.

Angelina said...

I've been having Sidney followed since Jan. 2012.. it's best you call back and speak to me, save yourself. Hey ...... you ready to meet the MRS?

I've been having Sidney followed since Jan. 2012

~Letting Heather know Sidney has been cheating long before her
~Choosing month of January makes me doubt her statement (it fits too neat that she would have chosen very 1st month of yr to have Sidney followed)

It's best you call back and speak to me, save yourself

~"It's best you call back"
Not very emphatic, just to give example you would have thought in her anger she might write "You'd better f#%% call me back...." but she did not, maybe making some effort to sound composed hoping Heather would actually call her back

"save yourself" sounds like Tammy is threatening not only Heather but someone else, most likely Sidney

"Are you ready to meet the MRS?"

Throwing her status of "wife" in Heather's face.
Implied threat

Angelina said...

To Heather.. someone's about to get their a-- beat down.. your b--- is about to take his last breath... You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... that way wont have a great turn out for you... I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one.

Katprint someone had posted that in original document of text the line "You can tell me WHERE you are right now" actually says "You can tell me WHO you are right now"
so I dont think Tammy knew WHO Sidney was cheating with at the time she wrote these texts Nov. 1.

Anonymous said...

Anyone know how Tammy found out Sidney was cheating?

Red Ryder said...

http://m.myhorrynews.com/news/crime/article_66828f7c-b372-11e3-b26a-001a4bcf6878.html?mode=jqm

Official word on William Caison's passing, said to be of cardiac natural causes~ a broken heart. Thanks NannaFrances for the heads up.

Angelina said...

I don't know, but I wonder how she found out he was cheating and then also when and how she found out he was cheating with Heather.

Angelina said...

To Heather.. someone's about to get their a-- beat down.. your b--- is about to take his last breath... You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... that way wont have a great turn out for you... I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one.

"someone's about to get their ass beat down"

"someone"
~does not specify who (Heather or Sidney?)
"their"
~gender neutral
(Sidney or Heather)

"Your bitch is about to take his last breath"

"Your"
(Attributes possession/control of Sidney to Heather)
"Your bitch"
("bitch" implies Sidney does Heather's bidding as if she controls him/he submits; I wonder if this was Tammy's way of trying to make herself feel better as in, Sidney is just a wimp who does what you want, but you Heather are at fault)

"is about to take his last breath"

"take his last breath"
(threatening to strangle?)

"their" changes to "his"
~ implies Sidney is in immediate peril if Heather does not tell Tammy who she is

You can tell me who (where) ("where is "who" in original documents) you are right now

"You can tell me"

again, this is not as emphatic as I would expect from someone so enraged, she is not commanding "tell me who you are" rather, you can tell me, "can" implies there is a choice

"or I will find out another way"
~she does not say "I will find out myself another way", rather I will find out another way
"another way"
~she does not say what "another way" is but does say "that way won't have a great turn out for you"
"that"
distancing
"way won't have a great turn out for you"
~what is she threatening? Is she threatening to hurt Sidney until he talks and says who she is?
~threatening to track Heather down?

"I am giving you one last chance before we meet in person...only one."

~this statement does not say I am giving you one last chance OR we'll meet in person RATHER
BEFORE we meet in person
~implies Tammy plans on meeting her in person regardless of whether or not Heather says who she is

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Never heard so much character bashing without facts relevant to case. guess this is like tarring and feathering or something.

March 24, 2014 at 10:56 AM
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You must be new to Peter's blog. Character bashing without facts is what he does best. Most of his info comes from Facebook speculation adn rumors, which he then reports as fact, over and over and over, until even he believes himself.

March 24, 2014 at 12:36 PM

huh. ya. far from judicious.

somanyways said...

Anonymous said...
Anyone know how Tammy found out Sidney was cheating?

March 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM

good question. I was thinking whatever info Tammy was keeping on Elvis's might have been few months old - from when she was obsessed with Identifying who Heather was and how to intimidate her to get her away from Sidney. --- I mean how much crazy facts on tammy do WE have collected here. doesn't mean we gonna kill her -- just means we are obsessed with solving a mystery too/

I'm gonna keep looking for proof of kidnapping and murder I have yet to see it

somanyways said...

Why didn't Moorers make any effort to create an alibi?

Never heard of no attempt at an alibi. Their alibu was sex all around town in place Sidney and Heather did it? That's about the, most suspicion insighting alibi I can think of -- and yet if it was part of their crime spree and was an emotional release following the murder -- you'd think they's hide it along with the murder.

Why would Sidney readily confess to the car sex that night and not to the murder/ why not deny all of it if they were all part of same tour de force of criminality.

Anonymous said...

This is one of Tammy's posts from the Dis boards where, in an earier post, someone must have questioned the money they spent on Disney or how they spent their money. I'm not sure what the comment was, but this is Tammy's response:


Originally Posted by OneTreeHillAddict View Post
For starters I use caps and bolds to grab attention, not because I'm angry or upset! And secondly both my husband and I own our own companies and make a #h%t(l@ad of money! I live in a HUGE 2 storied cutom brick house (that I designed) with a playground (just for my 3 kids) that will put the best private school out there to shame and the outdoor kitchen.....freaking amazing and it's bigger than the average persons HOUSE! So, yes, I guess we're "rich" in the eyes of America, not that it matters because money is just money and it can not buy one happiness or make them a better person. It makes life more comfortable and easier but not better. Go back to my post and look at how I worded it. I asked why people would choose this resort and pay this much extra if they're just using it to sleep and shower in! When I go somewhere with my husband to get away we always stay somewhere equivalent (as nice as our upgraded home). Disney doesn't even offer such a place! (Although the grounds of our home look similar to the Polynesian with all of the palms and fancy landscaping...) I can't justify paying that kind of money when I USE the resort and it's grounds, but at Disney World (or any other theme park we'd go to as a family of 5) we NEVER stay in the room and we would rarely use the amenities. (We have our own pool and jacuzzi at home so staying in a resort because of the "pool" doesn't make sense for US!) Disney, IMO, doesn't even have what we'd consider a 5 star resort and I feel the rooms get this hype for no good reason. Seriously, those little pods on the sides of CR...WHY in the World would someone want to stay there!? (for that price) Or in one of the Poly rooms where you're stuck in the back on a path where the coolest thing you see all day is a maid going by on a golf cart!? I know the the concierge and preferred rooms have the nice views and perks but if you compare this to any high end resort Disney does not hold a candle. Everyone knows this. Anyone that's been to a really nice resort does. The places are overpriced and we ALL know it. It's like gasoline though....no matter if it goes to $10 a gallon America will continue to drive and shell out the high prices instead of cutting back. If we all cut back a little the World would change! If I was an 8 year old kid going to Disney for the first time I would freaking LOVE Pop Century Resort. It 's just kid friendly! If I was going on my honeymoon I probably would choose Poly or GF but as I said....when I go we all go and with that being said, it doesn't make sense to me. I wanted to make it clear that we do have plenty of money and we can afford the best resort Disney offers, that doesn't mean I agree to paying that much for something when I don't think it's worth it. I do apologize if anything I said sounded insulting, which I don't think I did, so if you took it this way maybe you are feeling a little guilty about something!? Not here to argue. I LOVE going to Disney. It's fun and my kids love it! If DLX makes ya happy stay there...enjoy it. I was just asking for reasons, not hate mail!

Anonymous said...

JUST from reading that -- Tammy does not sound crazy to me. She sounds like she's got insecurities, etc. But her logic is not unsound. I don't care about what she's talking about -- but I did understand her point.

it may be neither here nor there - since this isn't about her thoughts on Heather

Angelina said...

somanyways, was the around town sex before or after the murder. I thought it was before?

somanyways said...

IMO nobody knows time of murder, or for sure if there was a murder -- / but at 3:40 a.m. is now when Heather's phone data stops (they used to say 6 a.m. ) - and i don't know exact time they are saying the car sex happened. sometime over course of that night/ early morning - surely pinning that down would be very useful.

somanyways said...

in recent bond hearing they said it happened "around time of heather's disappearance"

Nic said...

Anonymous said...
Anyone know how Tammy found out Sidney was cheating?

March 24, 2014 at 1:11 PM


I don't know if anyone knows for sure. I think it was because Tammy picked up Sidney's phone when he wasn't looking and went through his texting history, etc., and saw the back 'n forth between him and Heather. Hence why she blew up, texted Tammy "who are you", etc., etc. His phone was confiscated from then on in.

That's why I think the pay phone was their m.o. Tammy probably pays the bills and she would have seen the statement/telephone numbers, etc. The pay phone would not have shown up.

Anonymous said...

In texts tammy clearly doesnt know heathers identity. i wonder if sidney ended up telling tammy who it was.