Saturday, March 15, 2014

Tammy and Sidney Moorer's Home Mirrors Their Souls

smile for the camera, Tammy...


Tammy and Sidney Moorer's house was one in which the State's Child Protective Services was contacted.

The condition of the house is a mirror to the condition of their souls.

This was not a messy house.

There is a very high standard for Child Protective Services in viewing a home.

If the house is a mess, it does not matter.  People can choose to live in a slovenly home should they so wish.  It can even have a bad odor, but still not rise to the level of intervention by the State.

Just as parents have the right to live as slobs, so it is that children have the right to live in a home where the environment will not make them ill.

This is the standard.  It is in the negative; an environment that will not make them physically sick.

As unhealthy, psychologically, a messy and dirty house may be, especially for teaching order and respect for the earth, the standard for intervention is necessarily high.

For example, how dirty is dirty?

How smelly is smelly?

The filth in the house must rise to a level to impact the physical health and well being of a child.  Unsanitary conditions that rise to the level of intervention include, for example, cat feces on the floor, where I have seen toddlers pick it up and eat it.  Food, so rotted that it posed a health risk to children, including air-born contaminants that can cause sickness.

Callously turning away from caring for the children, they cared only for their own selves, and Tammy would not be denied her revenge on the younger, and beautiful, Heather Elvis, and as a parent, Tammy appeared to understand just how to make Terry Elvis writhe in pain for as long as possible.

Odor is judged this way:  if it initiates the gag-reflex of the Child Protective investigator, it is deemed unsanitary.

I have been in homes that caused my gag-reflex to engage, and had to leave quickly, before vomiting.

"Nearly unlivable" is an honest term.  It cannot be "unlivable" because people were living inside of it, but "nearly", making "unlivable" sensitive, is done so because it suggests that continuing in this pattern will eventually make it unlivable, even if "unlivable" means having to relocate to a hospital for the impact upon health.

It was a proper term.

I have had to inspect homes like this hundreds of times.  In some cases, it was so acute that the children had to be removed immediately and taken to pediatricians.  The younger the children, the more vulnerable they were, and incapable of making the home sanitary.

People who love their children not only discipline them, and set boundaries, but provide a clean, safe environment for them to which they might thrive and learn order, and dignity.  Everyone has a messy home from time to time, with unwashed dishes and a home in need of Spring cleaning.

This was not the case in the home of Tammy and Sidney Moorer.

It is not what causes the State to intervene on behalf of the children.


A profile of the Moorers has slowly risen to the service as we have had not only the words of Tammy Moorer indicating her base  character, but details such as what we learned about their home and how they sought to 'game' the system for money, the spirit of larceny within them.

The rage that Tammy exhibited, and the cold-calloused wording towards Heather Elvis, while Heather was reportedly "missing", is frightening.

I cannot recall a case in which the perpetrators did not seek to conceal their contempt of the victim.

This is someone that will not "play by the rules" in life, and this has been evident in Tammy Moorers' morals (that of an alley cat), language, hatred, and bizarre fantasy of Disney-life.  We also saw her putrid rage against a father desperate to find his own child, again, indicating the sociopathic-like lack of empathy.

It takes a good deal of neglect to get a home to be as disgusting as the home of Tammy and Sidney Moorer, so that it reaches a level where the State must intervene.

For Tammy, the "rules" do not apply, whether the rules include marriage vows or basic, minimum care of children.  Can you even imagine the immoral lessons these children have learned from growing up in this household? Legos strewn amongst the trash has the same feel to it:  children, get out of sight and out of mind, and entertain yourselves while exhaustively self pleasing Tammy and her subordinate husband seek only to care for their own needs and wants.

I'm willing to be that Tammy's twisted love affair with Disney was a greater priority than her children's safety and well being.

Every try doing homework in a messy environment?  It's challenging, but for kids in an unsanitary home, it is something altogether different.

As water seeks its own level, so she has found a few 'simpatico' listeners, who will digest the filth that Tammy presents before them, even finding a blogger willing to take a thin shot at their "Christian" neighborhood, who would not embrace their cheating lifestyle, setting up people of faith as the "bad guys" not embracing the inherent lying, deception and pain that must exist within an "open" marriage.

So it is that without hearing major evidence, a district attorney has been unafraid to charge them both with murder, even without a body.

DA's do not like to gamble much, with their own futures.  Some become known for plea bargaining and avoiding fights.

Not so in Horry County.

This tells me that they have a whopper of evidence against the Moorers; so much so, that they broke the hearts of the Elvis family in revealing that Heather is no longer alive, even while she remains technically missing.

The Tammy sympathizers look for anything within the language of Terry Elvis in which they might inflict further pain upon him and his family, revealing their own assimilation with someone as vile as Tammy Moorer.

Tammy and Sidney Moorer knew how to twist the knife of pain into the heart of a parent.  They knew enough about parental instinct to not only bring inscrutable suffering to Terry Elvis, but have kept the pain up by not revealing where they dumped Heather's remains.

The home was a mirror into the soul of Tammy and Sidney Moorer:

vile, disgusting, and so filthy that disease alone is comfortable there.

There are those, the ancient text tells us, that do not sleep until they have caused pain and suffering to others.

I wonder if the pain they continue to maintain in Terry's heart is sufficient to let them sleep, or is it the fear of retribution from other prisoners that keeps them awake.



131 comments:

Peter Hyatt said...

Off Topic:

Katprint:

good catch. I will repost the article in a few weeks.

Sshhhhhhhhh for now!

Peter :)

elf said...

Regarding the legos: legos are little germ magnets, little germy sticky fingers play with them, in the floor they get stepped on (bare feet and with shoes), kids pry them apart with their teeth...legos are gross on a normal basis :/ add all that to being strewn all over a dirtier than average house, well, ew.

Randie said...

"The condition of the house is a mirror to the condition of their souls."



Excellent comment. I'm a firm believer in this!

Jen Ow said...

Great article Peter, and SO true! How terrible that TM put her selfish desire for revenge before the needs and wellbeing of her own children.

She appears to be a narcissist, and possibly borderline personality. All that matters to TM is herself, and her facade. The people in her life are only props in her self important world of photoshopped pics, rock star friends, disney campers, cruises and vacations, etc.

The cast: her perfect younger husband with her name tatted on him in big letters, her daughter who's godfather is a 'rock star', her youngest son who could pass for a 'twin' of her rockstar friend and his playboy model wife's son (hint hint).

AND, of course the perfect cast needs the perfect setting: Tammy writes online about her family's 40 days spent on Disney vacations last year (while they collect food stamps), and their "very nice house" (that in reality sits in her daddy's backyard, and is covered with dog crap).

Life is but a dream for Tammy Moorer, while her evil actions have turned her own children's lives into a nightmare. (As well as the Elvis family's.)

Randie said...

Jen Ow I luv your post!

"AND, of course the perfect cast needs the perfect setting: Tammy writes online about her family's 40 days spent on Disney vacations last year (while they collect food stamps), and their "very nice house" (that in reality sits in her daddy's backyard, and is covered with dog crap)."

Randie said...

Peter, this is an amazing article!!!

I luv this:

"So it is that without hearing major evidence, a district attorney has been UNAFRAID to charge them both with murder, even without a body.

DA's do not like to gamble much, with their own futures. Some become known for plea bargaining and avoiding fights.

NOT so in Horry County.

This tells me that they have a WHOPER of evidence AGAINST the Moorers; so much so, that they broke the hearts of the Elvis family in revealing that Heather is no longer alive, even while she remains technically missing."


Red Ryder said...

Jen Ow, when you said "Life is but a dream for Tammy Moorer" I heard the Crewcuts singing~ "ShBoom"

It sums up narcissistic relationship perfectly:

Now every time I look at you
Something is on my mind
If you do what I want you to
Baby, we'd be so fine!
If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love
Life could be a dream, sweetheart

Taking out most of the shbooms, deeodeeooms, dat-dat-dats, and yadadadas, for length and readability.

Sh-Boom Sh-Boom
(Life Could Be a Dream)
By ~ The Crewcuts

Oh, life could be a dream (sh-boom)
If I could take you up in paradise up above (sh-boom)
If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love
Life could be a dream, sweetheart
(Hello, hello again, sh-boom and hopin' we'll meet again)

Oh, life could be a dream (sh-boom)
If only all my precious plans would come true (sh-boom)
If you would let me spend my whole life lovin' you
Life could be a dream, sweetheart

Now every time I look at you
Something is on my mind
If you do what I want you to
Baby, we'd be so fine!

Oh, life could be a dream (sh-boom)
If I could take you up in paradise up above (sh-boom)
If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love
Life could be a dream, sweetheart

Every time I look at you
Somethin' is on my mind
If you do what I want you to
Baby, we'd be so fine!

Life could be a dream
If I could take you up in paradise up above
If you would tell me I'm the only one that you love
Life could be a dream, sweetheart
(Hello hello again, sh-boom and hopin' we'll meet again) boom sh-boom

Life could be a dream
Life could be a dream, sweetheart!

Life could be a dream
If only all my precious plans would come true
If you would let me spend my whole life loving you
Life could be a dream, sweetheart

Anonymous said...

Legos are only gross when you don't teach your kids to wash their hands, also Legos are meant for older kids who don't put toys in their mouths. They are a choking hazard.

Randie said...

Peter, a while back there was someone posting and many of us thought it was Tammy herself. One thing I remember was her dominate attitude about taking her husband's keys away, his check book away, and strip him of his rights if he got cheating....

Here is a post from someone. It is very revealing:

"Has anyone said what time the call was made from the pay phone? what if he was calling heather to warn her that tammy had lost it and was ready to keep it real. He could have used his own phone but maybe tammy took it from him after seeing that heather was trying to contact him... just random thoughts, but it has made me wonder.."

Interesting.......

Randie said...

Here is another excellent post:

"There is a kangaroo with a working pay phone - which is honestly rare these days - near the end of peachtree road. It makes sense that he could run to the phone and call real quick. different thought - I even wondered if tammy stood over him and said - you call heather now and tell her it's over. and wanted to hear him say it - which is why heather called BW crying. maybe tammy found out about their plans to run away. maybe found a bag he was packing. I believe I would want to run away from that pit. nasty old food on the counter and poop everywhere? and photoshopped lives."

Jen Ow said...

Thanks!

TM is a piece of work isn't she?!?

Jen Ow said...

So true Red Ryder-that sounds like Tammy's theme song, lol!

Randie said...

Anonymous said:

"The only thing that reflected unsanitary conditions was the food left out on the counter, Period. That's it. There was nothing else stated in the report. I am not defending them, Im just saying dont make it out like these conditions are so abominable."

Really?

Try this on for size Anonymous:

"Overall the home was...unsanitary," the officer wrote in the REPORT.

Police further said in the REPORT there was some sort of meat lying on the kitchen island and that it had aged for some time. Cooked potatoes were also on the counter top and had begun to mold.

The REPORT also said trash was left on the counter tops and floors.

Upstairs, the home was in "complete disarray nearly in an unlivable manner," the REPORT continued.

Toys, trash and clothes spread all over the home.

The backyard was COVERED in animal feces, according to the report.

Police PHOTOGRAPHED the home during the search.

The REPORT also says investigators learned something "which gave cause for CONCERN during the investigation," but what was learned was redacted from the report.

The REPORT concluded by saying the case would be forwarded to the Department of Social Services."

*****

This REPORT is more than just: "food left out on the counter, Period. That's it."

These conditions are so abominable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Randie said...

Try this on for size:

What I am wondering is if the hose became in this state after murdering Heather.

I wonder because of this:

Tammy states: "Enough is enough and today this family will start filing charges against everyone we possibly can. I will no longer feel sorry for you or let ignorance be your excuse. With that being said, we do NOT owe this to any of you, but here are the FACTS! Sidney cooperated with HCPD from the second he was contacted. He spoke with them on the phone, and voluntarily went over to the offices in Conway to speak with detectives in person. That same day I allowed HCPD to come inside our home to take a look around. They also asked to look through our Mickey camper and I granted them permission. In addition, three search warrants were also served. One for telephones, one for surveillance, and one for our vehicle. Both the Moorer house and Caison house were looked at during this time."


So, what was the condition of the house when these "permitted" searches went on????

I have to wonder if this way of life was a snow ballrd out of control after they or she murdered Heather. They were.........hiding in the basement with guns. They had out of control lives....

john said...
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john said...

OT.

Lifted from Hope For Hailey Fb.

You're national news again BabyGirl! Justice for my daughter Hailey Darlene Dunn.i want an Arrest, Conviction and to lay our baby to rest! We will not give up, we are always working for you my beautiful daughter.

Hailey Dunn's Mother Says Waiting On Daughter's Remains Is 'Pure Hell'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/14/hailey-dunn_n_4967279.html

Jen Ow said...

Sooo...germs only exist if kids don't wash their hands??

Good to know!

Lego's are not only for older kids, they make larger ones for toddlers, and they are wonderful for fine motor skill development.

ALL toys are germ magnets, but I agree with Elf, Legos are especially tough to santize because of all the nooks.

Jason Brown said...

I'm so glad elf has pointed out that Lego's are germ magnets, finally the crack in case we have been looking for! It's clear that Lego's are the murder weapon. With their germs and choking hazard only truly diabolical hoarders / everyday people would have Lego's strewn about.

The Moorer's home is clearly representational of their souls, gross and trashy. But I'm damn near positive some of the readers and people commenting on this story here are typing their responses to this post as their cat eats tuna fish out of a can that was discarded days ago a top a pile of newspapers and plastic bags they might need one day... which also makes them MURDERS!

We all know that people with dirty homes are murderous cretins who's souls are as black as their toilet seats. I mean that's why the television show hoarders is secretly a front for the FBI. It's why Jeffery Dahmer's home wasn't so organized and he just had hands and genitalia thrown on top of old televisions and dirty couch cushions.

I think it's more likely that the Moorer's are simply redneck white trash who kept a dirty home because they were redneck white trash pieces of shit.

I'm happy Jen Ow can psychoanalyze the Moorer's based on an objective blog post. First rule of psychology is too wildly assume something about someone based on a blog post by a guy that is clearly in love with the poetic styling of Terry Elvis.

I know this all seems a bit heavy so I'll lighten it up with a joke...
Knock Knock
Who's there?
Heather Elvis' killer.
Heather Elvis' killer who?
Terry Elvis

How can I make such an awful statement? Because the man can't be without the spotlight. It's certainly the behavior of a sociopath narcissist to murder someone close to him to gain the admiration of so many. (just like Jen Ow, I too can psychoanalyze people I don't know based on wild assumptions which makes me just as wrong as her)

"You caught people you believe murdered my daughter? I know, I'll right a poem " - Direct quote, Terry Elvis

Terry Elvis losing steam in the mainstream media decided to pull off some elaborate red X shenanigans so he could keep holding on to those 15 minutes. Nancy Grace doesn't care about the red X you painted on your own business Terry.

Thank god someone came to the defense of Lego's in this comment thread. That's the real injustice here. That little plastic interlocking brick system hasn't hurt anyone, except for maybe elf's feelings as a child.

Randie if I am analyzing your statement, you really love the words REPORT and PHOTOGRAPH. Why are you so set on making sure people know how unsanitary conditions are there? Are you a DCFS worker? Personally affected by the tragedy? You might be too hell bent on nailing the Moorer's to the cross... are you the murderer, or is your home too clean?

Red Ryder... if that is your real name. If you are convinced that the Moorer's are the killers, why would you post the lyrics to a song that was featured in the movie Cry Baby, there's like no murder in that movie, was it the movie Clue you're referencing the song from, cause that one does have murder in it, except we know that the butler did it and not the Moorer's.

P.s. the reason no one saw that twist is because the butler was so clean and as we now know... all murderers keep trashy homes.

Peter, you have a right to make wild accusations based on the Moorer's home, just like I have the right to come here and blast people who talk s#!t by talking s#!t. Delete this seconds after I post it but I hope most of you understand how stupid the comments are on this site. I see you remove posts of people who oppose your viewpoints, you know who else did that... Hitler.

And Kim Jong Il.

And Stalin.

And Mao.

And the Spanish Inquisiton.

I think you get it!

DEATH TO LEGO'S - THE REAL MURDER WEAPON!

Anonymous said...

Ummmmm no, germs are everywhere Legos get nasty when kids with sticky hands due to lack of hand washing play with them. Also when dirty parents let them play with them on nasty floors and don't pick them up. Yes duplos and mega blocs are for smaller children, Lego has recently came out with beginner sets but those are still for kids old enough not to put in their mouths ;)

Jason Brown said...

Defend The Lego's!

GeekRad said...

Thanks John. Geez, that Bille is the a piece of work. She loves the attention. Keep talking Billie. It will be your down fall.

Randie said...

Jason Brown,

Hmmmmm..... did we strike a sensitive cord??

Jason Brown said...

Randie, I just love Lego's so much!

Anonymous said...

As I understand, the couple was arrested a couple of weeks ago. Maybe the cops who arrested them did not give them a chance to clean the kitchen, fridge and trash bags before they were taken to the police station. So when you go looking a couple of weeks later; it would not be surprising to find rotten food and trash in the house. As the occupants of the house are obviously in jail.

Maybe living conditions at the house are bad right now, but i am not convinced that this would have been the case at the time they were arrested.

Anonymous said...

Well it seems I was too soon with my comment. Apparently the search did take place at the time of the arrest, which would be logical. So remove the above comment please.

Peter Hyatt said...

When a police officer signs his name to a report and says "unsanitary", he knows it is going to be challenged in court and he must be able to back this up.

"Unsanitary" is far worse than most people would believe.

Peter

Randie said...

There is more:

"Police photographed the home during the search. The report also says investigators learned something "which gave cause for concern during the investigation," but what was learned was redacted from the report."

I wonder what they "learned"? It doesn't say found.

Jason Brown said...


Randie,

I believed that what they "learned" in their REPORT was that with Lego's and their imagination, anything is possible!

Randie said...

Lego my eggo Jason!

Anonymous said...

Is it OK if I write something that comes from an actual text on criminology? These arent my thoughts.
There is something called MSBP (Munchausen by Proxy) and one of it's much lesser known manifestations is people who seek attention by fabricating incidences of harrassment and victimization to gain attention as well as to fulfill other emotional needs.
The more bizarre incidents of alleged harrassment are the more likely they are to fall under this caregory and there are many other "symptoms" some of which Im seeing here.

Both of the 2 incidents of harrassment were bizarre
1). Jeep with no plates pulls by workplace, points finger at Terry and says "We already have Heather, we'll take your other daughter."
Terrible if this was actually done, but WHY WOULD SOMEONE DO THIS? ???? Particularly since TM and SM have been arrested for Heather's murder, why would someone who didnt take Heather do this? And show their faces but remove their plates???
2) The video and X on door
WHY??? Why would someone put a video up that no normal person would correlate with an X on the backside of a door that noone usually sees?
Im sure this will be deleted very shortly, but I feel confident that Terry is fabricating these.

Anonymous said...

Maggie is that you???

Jason Brown said...

I support you Anonymous and those that have been deleted before you but you should know better than posting something contrary to someones beliefs...

I mean that's why Egypyt, Ukraine, Uganda, and Nazi Germany were so diplomatic because people could freely express themselves without fear of retribution.

Viva LaLego Revolution

elf said...

I wash my sons legos in a strainer weekly. The reports of toys mixed with trash on the floor and the mention of animal feces in the yard grossed me out. That equals animal feces on the toys :( the moorers must have been very private people for them not to be reported to family services sooner. I wonder what condition the animal/s were in? I saw one of the pictures of the Mickey camper (whatever they called it) and it looked very organized and well kept. The aerial shot of the moorers land looks like it was designed with a compound theme.
I'm sorry I'm rambling.

Anonymous said...

And I should add i am feeling extremely guilty about legos right now. When my son was little, he loved legos. He would dump them on the floor and assemble sets one after another. I never washed them, I never sanitized his hands. Sometimes (gasp) he would even say "Mom don't put my legos away, don't even move them!!! I have them set out how I want them! Do not touch them!" before he went to bed. And I left them there, on the floor, unsterilized, so that when he woke up he could sit right back down on the floor and have his piles of legos waiting. The piles of messy, chaotic, unsterilized legos. Can I ever forgive myself????

elf said...

I wasn't allowed trista have legos. I was allowed to have books. My son has legos and they are what they are lol maybe I should have spelled it out but my point is the moorers are nasty for letting their kids live in that environment and play with all the germy nasty toys. Thank you for your opinion though. It says alot about you.

Randie said...


Again I want to say....that when previous searches went on, the house must not have been bad or LE would have turned them over to Social Services earlier.

[Tammy states: With that being said, we do NOT owe this to any of you, but here are the FACTS! Sidney cooperated with HCPD from the second he was contacted. He spoke with them on the phone, and voluntarily went over to the offices in Conway to speak with detectives in person. That same day I allowed HCPD to come inside our home to take a look around. They also asked to look through our Mickey camper and I granted them permission. In addition, three search warrants were also served. One for telephones, one for surveillance, and one for our vehicle. Both the Moorer house and Caison house were looked at during this time."]

Maybe filth isn't how they always lived. However, as I said before, after murdering Heather their lives spun out of control. Even how they lived.

S + K Mum said...

Mess is acceptable but there are not many excuses for living in filth. In this case I would say it's due to laziness and disregard for the health and well being of their children and anyone who ever set foot in their house and didn't care about the filth their children had to live in should hang their head in shame....unless they live the same way of course! Gross!

Jen Ow said...
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Jen Ow said...

Agreed s+k mum! There is a reason the officer described the conditions as trash strewn and nearly unliveable. I can't think of a reason why anyone would defend the disgusting and dangerous conditions the Moorers were living in, and subjecting their children to at the time of their arrest.


Anonymous said...

Are we fogetting that heather Elvis Kept her car in extreme disarray?


By correlation we'd have to say Heather is also a killer.


children should be removed from unsanitary conditions. but it's because its dangers are infection, depression & cronic illness.

not middle of the night vanishing.

S + K Mum said...

Nobody can defend the Moorers, they were able to look after their house and children, they just chose not to. I feel very sad for their children.

Anonymous said...

I am neat, I hate clutter, and my house is clean. I just dont really personally care how other people keep their houses as long as I dont have to live in them. I dont internalize the conditions of other people's houses and find it strange many commenters here seem to.

Anonymous said...

Also, were some of the Moorers kids ternagers? When I turned 14 I was responsible for doing all the dishes for a family of 10. If there were a plate with moldy food, that would have been my bad! I'm just trying to make the point that yes people should be neat, it should be the parents cleaning up, but the Dad or the teens couldnt thrown out a plate of food? I just come from a different experience where I did all the dishes for a ton of people so it's just not raising alarm bells. Is everyone there helpless? Just throw the food out!!!

S + K Mum said...

Anon 8.53
Dirty dishes VS an unsanitary home with rubbish all over it/ faeces all over the garden.....a big difference.
I'm pretty sure most of us grew up with chores to do around the home, and most of probably learned from watching parents or other family members. The Moorers children maybe never witnessed any family member doing any kind of housework and this kind of mess is all they have ever known.

Anonymous said...

S&kMum, I agree, I just didnt see anything about trash in the article posted. Was this is the report? It does gross. Did they have dogs? Why so much dog crap?

Eleni said...

Jason Brown, thanks for sharing critical thinking, independent thought- I hope you keep posting.

Kellie said...

OT

BJD said, "At first I didn’t want to push for her remains back because I wanted them to get every bit of evidence they needed, but it's been a year and we want her home,"

Right. A year is a long time to have to think about your little girl's bones being on a shelf in a forensics lab and who put them there. I'm sure BJD is anxious to bury those bones and all they represent. :(

elf said...

To not trista :/

Anonymous said...

How does the DiPietro house rank on the dirty, unsanitary, dangerous for children scale? From the pictures I saw, it looked pretty dirty and unsafe. There were electrical cords, dirty, dusty, plastic bags, a paper shredder within child reach. I'm sure many things I'm forgetting, but why was le/dhhs not concerned about that house, even if not before Ayla's disappearance, why not after? I believe Justin's room was a horrid mess with beer bottles all over the place, not to mention the blood and everything else - this being where another child supposedly slept that night too. Why was dhhs never involved further with them?

elf said...

Tammy and Sidney moorer are gross. Tammy is a liar. They both had months to confess or issue a reliable denial. Instead Tammy publicly released her foul diatribe about how horrible heather, a missing girl, someone's daughter, is. But hey Sidney the cheater is still great! He's just stupid, right?
I agree with Peter. The outside does reflect the inside.

Anonymous said...

That's true Randie. If the house was so unsanitary previously, then I wonder why they weren't reported to dhhs then. I'm not defending them or their apparently filthy house, but that is a good question. The most alarming part to me was, the guns being left out, especially with the kids there! How old are the kids?

Anonymous said...

Me too. I feel they are getting a bad rap here!!! It's not the Legos that are nasty! Maybe the conditions they were kept it, but sweet Jesus don't blame the Legos!!!

Anonymous said...

Well so long as your floors weren't covered in trash and people were not stomping on them with bare nasty feet or shoes that walked all over a crappy yard and you didn't have your kid with sticky little hands sticking them in his mouth, you shouldn't be so hard on yourself ;)

Anonymous said...

So funny though to see guys chiming in how an uncleanly house reflects a debased soul, when you know they dont clean anything. It's their wife who does the cleaning. I'm sure they dont clean lol! So funny to hear their judgements about cleaning!

Anonymous said...

My husband cleans the house. I know he can't be the only one who knows how and helps!

ima.grandma said...

Sorry to interrupt LegoGate with an OT but I thought I would bring this over. I posted this on the last Myra article this morning but want to make sure everyone knows it is out there.


http://www.wjtv.com/story/24981533/investigators-frustrated-at-lack-of-progress-in-missing-toddler-search

Snipped:
Meantime, officials are holding the toddler's mother in jail on unrelated charges. And her family believes the sheriff’s department is trying to pressure her to reveal what she knows about Myra’s disappearance.

 "Yesterday they held her in interrogation for 8 hours," said Martha Sanders, Lewis’s mother.

Sanders read from a prepared statement accusing the sheriff’s department of violating her daughter's constitutional rights.

"She has a right to plead the 5th. Her rights are not being read to her she is being held for anything to do with her baby."

Sanders says she doesn't understand why Lewis is still in jail after her family paid $500 to bail her out on the probation violation charge.

"Now we can't get our money back and then they put a hold on her."

Authorities tell us the hold was placed on Lewis by the Mississippi department of corrections, because of the original welfare fraud charge that lead to Lewis' probation.

She just did a food stamp fraud. It’s not like she's a criminal,” Sanders said. “She’s no threat to society."

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 11:16, You've found a keeper. I'd be willing to bet $100 that some of the guys going off about the hellish nature of the soul of those in dirty homes don't clean their homes. Rather their wife does. Or maybe all these men are cleaning toilets, doing dishes, scrubbing floors, scooping dog crap, etc. I'd bet there's not one among them though who sterilize legos in a strainer once a week! Do any of these men dust? I'll tell you I would love to find a husband who would dust. I hate dusting! But it sounds like there are a lot of men who love to clean out there! Thanks for the laugh! Just chuckling thinking about how unlikely it is any of these men clean LOLOLOLOL!

Jen Ow said...

Jason-

I did not psychoanalyze Tammy Moorer based on a single blog post. In case you are not aware, we have been following this case and analyzing her statements for months.

Do YOU find her behavior and her statements to portray a normal, mentally stable and well adjusted mother of three?

I have read multiple pages of blog posts by TM on her Disney board, her facebook, etc. She is a chronic oversharer and braggart. Nearly every word she writes attempts to confirm her self importance. Like a neandrathal she repeatedly reinforces.... 'me life good', 'me house nice', 'me know famous people', etc. All the while, she is living a lie, wallowing in filth and dog doo, collecting food stamps, publically exposing herself, and murdering a girl her perfect younger husband 'banged in the back of a car 3 times'.

Lemon said...

One thinks one misses the irony of commenting on the stupidity of comments on this blog.

Theresa said...

My house is a horrifying mess right now... at least in my opinion. CPS may not share that same view. It won't make anyone sick, and it doesn't stink, but there is dust and laundry, and toys.

It isn't so much a reflection of the condition of my soul, as it is that I just (TODAY!!!) finished my last class for my Masters degree. I'm a single mom to a 5 year old... so it's just me with the home responsibilities. 585 days of grad school, with no holiday breaks or anything. I haven't had a day off from non-stop school work in the last 6 months at least, and cleaning has suffered lately.That's what happens when it comes down to a choice between cleaning and getting 2-4 hours of sleep.

Maybe it IS a reflection of my soul, because my house is in need of rejuvenation just like my spirit!!

I literally cannot WAIT until tomorrow to start the deep cleaning after a good night sleep tonight!

Theresa said...

elf said...
I wash my sons legos in a strainer weekly. The reports of toys mixed with trash on the floor and the mention of animal feces in the yard grossed me out. That equals animal feces on the toys :( the moorers must have been very private people for them not to be reported to family services sooner.
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I *thought* I read somewhere that the Moorer kids were homeschooled. I can't remember where I read it though! Maybe the Disney forum she rambled on. But that would explain why they weren't reported.

I'm still quite shocked at how sad her kids looked in those photos.

Jen Ow said...

Congrats on finishing up your Master's!

ima.grandma said...

Congratulations Theresa for the great achievement. Be proud! When you are at a time in your life struggling to make a better life for yourself and your children, you have to learn to step over things and say it's okay for now. To everything there is a season. Now you can concentrate on your home with a smile on your face. Five year olds love to help mom clean. Tackle it together. You made a life changing accomplishment and I'm sure your child will reap the harvest of your growth.

Kellie said...

And the award for best "ya hadda be there" comment goes to.....

Anon March 15, 2014 at 11:00 PM

....sweet Jesus don't blame the Legos!!!

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:)) :))

Jason Brown said...

Jen Ow,

You read about her on a Disney blog!!! That means you must have a direct line into her psyche. You know that she is a trashy braggart and that her favorite ride is Tower of Terror.

You know who is an over sharer on blogs and facebook... EVERY PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES!

I find Tammy Moorer and her husband to be redneck white trash. TM (as you all refer to her) is gross and certainly someone who should be cast out from society but that doesn't make her a murderer, just a piece of shit.

Who is a normal, mentally stable mother of 3? The answer there is no one and even if there was, who defines normal and mentally stable. Certainly not you or I. The only reason I even posted here was because the fascist regime that was running this comment section deems it okay to delete posts that offer contrary viewpoints. That and the fact that a dirty home doesn't make you a murderer. Also Lego's were getting a bad rap.

What's the old saying, "Don't judge a facebook by it's cover". I think it is interesting to speculate on motives and theories using peoples statements and analyzing them but it is most certainly not an exact science, you can't possibly know the TM had a hand in this crime. It could have easily been her father, or a serial killer, or the mailman.

You don't know her children and neither do I but I can tell you right now if I was spending 40 days out of the year on vacation at Disney my childhood would have been pretty fucking awesome. If my parents bilked the state out of food stamps to provide me with Mickey Ears on vacation, I might not care if the Lego's were never washed.

I think belittling others for having outside opinions is the real problem here, I tried to bring light to that. Lego's were my building block to do so. We all have valid opinions and viewpoints and if you can't handle others offering theirs than it is time to pack up your pail and shovel and get off the playground.

john said...

ima.grandma

LegoGate :-) lol

ima.grandma said...

Jason, I find your sense of humor an interesting way to gain attention to your opposing viewpoint although the aggressiveness shown takes away sincerity. Yes, we all have a right to our informed opinion but to attack individual posters for their opinion isn't necessary and subtracts from your credibility. JenOw is a long-time thoughtful contributor and we value her thoughts. Settle down a bit and join the discussion for intelligent discourse. You might be surprised.

Anonymous said...

Maybe they put the Lego's out on purpose, sort of like a security alarm. It hurts if you step on just one, imagine stepping on a whole bunch of them! ;)

Tammy Krumwiede said...

Perhaps that was just another lie from TM...?

Nic said...

I came across this on-line "article" a few days ago. It references the indecent exposure charges. I've been waiting to see if the mainstream media would pick it up and it hasn't. :

[snip]...Beth Hemore also claims that a detective spoke to her, which is how she found out that her son was the recipient of inappropriate photos of Tammy Caison Moorer -- who allegedly sent photos of her breasts and vagina to the boy. Hemore believes that Tammy used a Disney travel group/forum page on Facebook to seek out her son and acquaint herself with him before sending the lewd photos. She also says that Moorer used her husband Sidney's phone while she did it and that Sidney was "busy" at the time. However, there is no explanation as to what she meant by "busy."
If these allegations are true, could they be at all related to one of the indecent exposure charges that both she and her husband have against them? It should be noted that there are claims from Heather Elvis's loved ones that Tammy texted a photo of her vagina to Heather sometime before her disappearance, but this has never been confirmed. ... [end snip]

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/16625496-tammy-moorer-accused-of-sexting-teenage-boy


All warrants against Sidney and Tammy Moorer

http://www.chelseahoffman.com/2014/02/all-warrants-against-sidney-and-tammy.html

This blogger writes an interesting article about Tammy Moorer I think she profiles her beautifully.

http://www.chelseahoffman.com/2014/03/heather-elvis-case-analysis-iii-deadly.html


Nic said...

Here's an excellent article written about LE's strategy:

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/02/24/4052596/couple-to-face-murder-charges.html

Anonymous said...

That's awful Nic, if she/they were using the Disney travel Facebook group to find people (teens? Idk how old the womans son is that reported her son received the pictures) to send inappropriate pictures to. Makes me wonder if there are more. :/

Nic said...

Has this been discussed? My apologies if it has been.

Here's a thumbnail of the missing person police narrative. Note that some of the info is redacted. Also note that Heather was a patient at a hospital on December 17th.. for 3 hours. She was released from the hospital appx. 45 minutes before she went out on her date. We also know that Heather was upset when talking to her roomie after the date, and that there was a lot of back and forth between Heather and SM's cell phone after that and before she went missing.

http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/102887047-heather-elvis.jpg

What was Heather admitted to the hospital for? (I can speculate.) What were the receipts found in her car for/why redact the "what for"? What kind of drive-thru did she go through that they would want to conceal the identity of it. A pharmacy maybe? (We have one here.) Why would they want to see the video of her going through the drive thru? Maybe to see if somebody else was with her/driving for her? Had she been under general anesthesia while at the hospital (and that's why she couldn't drive?)

jmo



Anonymous said...

"I think belittling others for having outside opinions is the real problem here, I tried to bring light to that. Lego's were my building block to do so. We all have valid opinions and viewpoints and if you can't handle others offering theirs than it is time to pack up your pail and shovel and get off the playground."

Thank you Jason Brown. I dont get why so many opinions get deleted. Most of these cases, many unsolved, have so many aspects to comment on and think about. I am a very educated person who was taught to think for myself yet sometimes my opinion gets deleted and I get accused of having a heart of cruelty.
Every single person here is intelligent, and Peter has created a cool blog ripe for discussion and thinking, so if all opinions when stated respectfully could not be deleted I feel that would be great.

Nic said...

Anonymous...

The indecent exposure warrants list the incident/s happening between Dec 17 and 18. The mom reports that TM told her she used her husband's phone because he was "busy". If the pictures had been taken on the 17th could it be that Sidney was busy with Heather ... at the hospital? That is speculation because the police officer doesn't report when they were taken exactly.

It could be why both were arrested on indecent exposure charges: She took the pic of herself on Sidney's phone.

Anonymous said...

It was found that it was a different heather Elvis at the hospital, also receipts from McDonald's and a gas station I think.

Anonymous said...

The mother has stated he was a teenager, somebody said her son was graduated high school already.

Nic said...

Anonymous @11:13, that is some coincidence. Could you link please? Nothing is coming up for me when I google the recant.

I'm inclined to believe the police report. Especially considering this "screen capture" wherein TM discusses giving HE money for an abortion. Albeit the way she recants how/when HM was given money doesn't put him at the hospital. Maybe it was agreed that Sidney would reimburse her half the cost and seeing that she went through with it, that is how she ended up/was "lured" to the boat ramp in the first place? Marbles.

http://img.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/103035517-hoax-text.jpg

Nic said...

*HE not HM

Doty said...

I'll wait for the pictures to judge. From past experience I do not accept without question what a cop puts in his report. They lie a lot. Just saying

Nic said...

Has this also been shared/discussed?

Heather's brother reported that LE informed him that Tammy Moorer had confronted/punched his sister prior to her disappearance.

http://img3.allvoices.com/thumbs/image/609/480/102890682-heather-elvis.jpg


Jen Ow said...

Jason-

I didn't belittle you or anyone else. You are the one belittling MY opinion, along with other posters. To quote you...

Knock knock,
Who's there,
A hypocrite.

Also, I didn't read ABOUT Tammy on her Disney boards, I read reams of Tammy's own words, and they were very telling. This IS a Statement Analysis blog after all, where we seek to glean knowledge from the language a subject employs.

If you and your fellow dissenters don't want your posts deleted, try following the rules of the blog. No foul language, no attacking other posters, and in this case stop attacking a father who's daughter has been murdered.

Anonymous said...

I never thought of that------is possible she really was at hosp? And police lied when they retracted and said it was just her cousin. if there was another heather elvis in area youd think shed be getting some kind of journalism attention.

Anonymous said...

"in this case stop attaching a father" but in ever other case of child murder where you suspect parent involvement dig into those parents as much as you can.

Kellie said...

Anonymous said...

That's awful Nic, if she/they were using the Disney travel Facebook group to find people (teens? Idk how old the womans son is that reported her son received the pictures) to send inappropriate pictures to. Makes me wonder if there are more. :/

March 16, 2014 at 10:08 AM

_______________________

I'd bet good money there's more. From the day they were arrested my gut instinct was and is that there is a lot more to be revealed about the depth of the Moorer's evil deeds. The Disney connection is troubling. The photo of Sidney's Tammy tattoo just above his crotch, combined with his Mickey Mouse underwear and gun holstered to his hip... well, as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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Nic said...

Anonymous @12:21

When filling out the paperwork for admission to a hospital, the paperwork is explicit about who you are, where you live, your doctor, and who to contact in the case of an emergency. I'm assuming that LE would have had Heather's correct address from the person who filed the report (her dad/most likely next of kin.) Plugging in the license plate would reveal her address - and next of kin. When speaking with LE the hospital would have had to confirm basic tombstone data for him to "put her there"/before even documenting it in his report. I'm not disputing that there are more than one Heather Elvises in Myrtle Beach. But I find it hard to believe that LE got "the wrong one".

As per the term "Abortion Clinic", I'm pretty confident in saying that the procedure is done on an "out patient"/day surgery basis and the turn-around time would be relatively short and most likely most of the time spent there would be around "after care" to ensure that there was no excessive bleeding.

I had a para ovarian cyst/fallopian tube removed via day surgery and I was in for 8:00Am and out before lunch. Most of that time was spent being observed after surgery (for bleeding). My surgery was done via laparoscopy which is more invasive/involved than a clinical abortion.

I couldn't see her working (running/on her feet) a shift at the Tavern afterwards. But I could see her sitting down to dinner (on a date/company/companionship) and making like nothing was "wrong".

Anonymous said...

This article explains the indecent exposure charges
http://www.wbtw.com/story/24785283/two-people-in-custody-in-the-heather-elvis-case

Anonymous said...

This article explains the indecent exposure charges...
http://www.wbtw.com/story/24785283/two-people-in-custody-in-the-heather-elvis-case

Anonymous said...

The police could have indeed gotten it wrong if they just did an initial call and asked about if a heather Elvis was there and then learned while checking facts later in the investigation it was not her.

Nic said...

Kellie,

It is reported (but not confirmed) that the Elvis family said that TM sent Heather a picture of her vagina. (IMO, to send her a four letter word message.)

I don't know why a grown woman/mother of three would send a minor whom she connected with on a *Disney Facebook Page* a picture of her private parts. Was it for shock value/humor? Or that she had something to prove to Sidney and in her mind a "young pup" found her desirable? (Used his phone to send the pics and he would wonder who the guy was and he would get jealous?) I think that she chose a kid to do that is reflective of how little "romantic" life she had outside SM and she was grasping at straw. That sending a pic of her vagina to Heather, she knew Heather would "look"/pick-up whatever came in from Sidney and it was her way to harass/speak to Heather.

One thing is for sure in all this, to me, TM comes across as somebody with a lot of anger and is a deviant.

Jen Ow said...

Anon 12:38

Heather Elvis' parents are NOT suspects in her disappearance/murder.

Tammy and Sidney Moorer have been arrested and charged with her murder.

Terry Elvis has spoken out, and his statements have been analyzed with no deception or guilty knowledge indicated.

Jason Brown said...

One by one.

Thanks ima grandma, I feel like your post about me has been the most accepting of opposing viewpoints you've ever had. I know my aggressive approach is off putting but I have lurked in the shadows for a while here, holding back comments because I do value other peoples opposing viewpoints. It's when people begin to wildly speculate on things that are not statements and don't allow others to air their opinions that I get a bit riled up.

When someone deletes a post and then instructs the other readers that a person is a pedophile, or is out to poison minds, well I get a little defensive for those that have been bullied from a site where the content is subjective. People interpret information differently and I hope you can all see that. Instead of you all looking for some red herring named "Maggie", how about you all just let her air her opinion with out the desire of rooting out her comments, or don't let people post anonymously.

In the comments someone who had probably been deleted in the past commented on what a cool site this is, and I agree, when it comes to statement analysis, this is a great site but when it comes to opinion it is unflinchingly rigid.

For the record, I specifically chose this post to air my grievances on because there was no statement to give analysis to. It was a post about the cleanliness of the murder suspects home where a correlation of who the Moorer's are and what they may or may have not done is tied to unsanitary living conditions. It's not a statement and so ultimately conjecture.

Jen Ow, I stated in my first post that I was essentially being a hypocrite. I said that I was here to talk s#!t to those that talk s#!t. I was belittling your opinion, and while you say you don't I can prove that's not accurate. At 12:47 PM you wrote a post trying to root out "Maggie" it read and I quote,

"The parents of Heather Elvis are NOT suspects in her disappearance/murder.

Tammy and Sidney Moorer are the suspects, and they have been arrested and charged with her murder. 

Terry Elvis has spoken out, and his statements have been analyzed with no deception or guilty knowledge indicated. 

Enough is enough"

Just because anonymous / "Maggie" doesn't agree with you it sounds like you are belittling their beliefs.

Just because Terry Elvis is not a suspect doesn't mean people can't speculate about his involvement. Just like the case of LeAnne Bearden, her husband Josh is not a suspect and yet this site has crucified him, there is a poll up right now about it. Why is it okay to not have sympathy for a man whose wife is dead but I am forced to have it for someone whose daughter was.

I ultimately think Terry Elvis knows more about his daughters disappearance than he lets on, I don't know if he killed her or just knew more but the simple fact is you don't either.

(1/2)

Jason Brown said...

(2/2)

Analyze the statements, don't chastise people that don't agree. If the rules are no foul language, and don't abuse other posters, that's fine (even though that happens here all the time),but subjectively changing the rules to fit the case is not okay. If its okay to think Josh killed LeAnne even though he's not a suspect, then it's okay to think Terry Elvis killed Heather.

Please stick to statement analyzing and leave the conjecture to CNN, If people who offer opposing viewpoints are too much than close the comment section, or make the rules agree with us or else.

I appreciate the people who can keep an open mind about all this. Randie and ima grandma, I've seen posts where you have been more harsh to people who comment but I feel like you have both taken out of my posts exactly what I was trying to get across. This is the internet, a free and open place to share views and ideas.

Life is difficult enough and people who are interested in these cases and topics have a place to discuss that here and that's great but the ones who offer opposition don't deserve your ire or self policing. Why can't someone believe that Terry killed his daughter? It's their belief. Just like kids believe Santa is real, why do you feel the need to tell them it isn't. Can't you just accept it's what they believe and let them believe it until it doesn't turn out to be true (Sorry folks, Santa isn't real). Somepeople believe God isn't real and those that do believe so often engage those people in discussion about it. They don't always say you're wrong and walk away. If your passionate defend it don't downgrade their thoughts.

I've rambled. Keep it to statements, not about if someone likes Disney or their home is in unlivable conditions. Be open enough to ignore those you don't agree with.

Anonymous said...

when are they gonna say what the secret evidence is?

Anonymous said...

Jason Brown, Amen! Thank you for voicing an opinion I also share and for doing it so well. I firmly believe all opinions should be respected.
Disagreeing is not a form of disrespect. However, deleting opinions is an attempt to annihilate differing viewpoints, which, since none among us is all-knowing, could potentially be important, insightful viewpoints thst shed light on a case. Similarly, belittling an opinion, (and I have seen this done here on quite a few occassions) by saying a person needs to "take their meds before writing" or "put on a tinfoil hat" is extremely disrespectful and quite arrogant as if to say since this person who disagrees with the writers of these insults who evidently feel they are correct, those who disagree are so feeble-minded they must suffer from a severe psychiatric problem. Nothing could be ruder, and as I read those types of insults, I wonder if the writers of those insults, although they feel that they have made the opposing opinion look worthless and not worthy of countering because according to them the person's mind is so flawed, in my opinion, they only reveal that their own opinion is an unexamined one which they have inflated as being so superior that anyone who disagrees must be mentally handicapped. This reveals a weakness in character. Would those who write those types of insults teach their own children to talk that way to others? Would they tell their children it is OK to call someone a nutjob or mental because the person doesnt agree with them?

Red Ryder said...

"There are those, the ancient text tells us, that do not sleep until they have caused pain and suffering to others."

I shudder that this could indeed be the situation.

I am not familiar with this text. Can you please tell me it's source? I have tried unsuccessfully to find it. Thanks.

ima.grandma said...
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Jen Ow said...

"Jason"-

It would take far too long to address all of the irony in your posts. My favorite..."Be open enough to ignore those you don't agree with".

**(says the person who just stated that they chose this particular post to air their grievances, and attack other commenter's who's opinions they don't agree with.)

As for your accusation that I belittled "Maggie"...my response was a statement of facts. Heathers parents are NOT suspects, the Moorer's are in custody charged with Heather's murder, and Terry Elvis has NOT been indicated for deception/guilty knowledge in his statements. I thought better of my assumption that "Maggie" was the author of the comment and deleted it, hoping to avoid a needless string of 'I'm not Maggie' posts. (Oh well, I tried, lol!)

Funny, you are awfully sensitive and worked up about an issue that supposedly doesn't effect you!. ;-)

somanyways said...

I'm the vilified anonymous, tho I'm not Maggie. I'ma gramma I foirgive you!

I'm not sure if your apologizing is meant for my eyes, or not. but either way,

it's easy to get riled up on internet.

I mean well too.

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 3:01. There two guys arrested for obstructing justice by posting misleading information on their own FB page.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/01/28/3986874/two-men-charged-with-obstructing.html

I found the alleged conversation/screenshot via typing Heather's name into Google and clicking on "images". Googling again, I see that it is up in the air, still, if the screen shot is a hoax. Terry Elvis responded saying that it wasn't real and it was being followed-up/investigated by SLED and the FBI. But there has not yet been a formal, definitive statement stating that it was not from TM's account.

Nic said...

Anonymous @ 3:04

Yes, it's possible he sent them himself. I guess LE would have to ascertain whether SM and the minor were in communication or if was just TM and the minor. I guess it boils down to who was where and doing what/had the phone in hand when the image/s were sent, if SM even knew the minor, if the email address was typed in or part of SM's contacts, checking FB acc'ts to see who was in communication with the minor, etc.

Randie said...

I did some where that the Heather at the doctors wasn't HE Terrys daughter.

Interesting.....

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Nic said...

When I read about the excessively, nearly in-habitable, messy house it made me think of the show Hoarders wherein they depict very depressed people/people with severe mood disorders/OCD, etc.

When I read about the condition of the house versus what they lived for (Disney), it's reflective of very high versus very low.

The kids sleeping in the master (one on a chair in the living room) makes me sad. The kid in the chair in the living room tells me that there is not room for him/her in their own bedroom. As to the kids sleeping in their parents room - one at the foot of the bed and the other *in the closet!*, means that they feel vulnerable when they are sleeping and being close to the parents (who are most likely absent even if they are in the same house,) give them a sense of security. It's improper. There are no boundaries.

Add paranoia to highs and lows. Guns visible and out in the open.


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CarlaP said...


JenOw,

Regarding what you mentioned about Tammy Moorer's facade and fantasy world....this is her description of her life. It really was all a "dream".

Tammy Caison
Age 42
Socastee High School ' 90
Myrtle Beach , SC

"Some info...After High School I continued to study Photography and Journalism. It was a passion of mine. I went on to tour with several rock bands and had pictures published in quite a few national publications! It was an exciting time for me. Lots of parties, Celebrity friends, Traveling all the time, and I really had a LOT of fun! In 1995 I settled down somewhat. In 1997 I met my future husband (who is four years younger than me.) We were married in March of 1998 and started our family about 13 months later. We now have three gorgeous children. Two sons and one daughter. My husband has his own company so I get to stay at home with my children these days. My life is a dream. We travel all the time. We love to go to Disney World (anyone else visit there frequently? We'd love to talk about it w/ ya!) Last year we stayed at Disney for more than 40 days!!! (4 Different Trips...needless to say we are Disney JUNKIES!) We have a VERY nice home that we built ourselves."

Anyone worried about germy Legos... just soak them in a diluted bleach solution for 20 mins to sanitize them.

Jen Ow said...

Lol, ima

We are going through the same thing in VA. I left the house in short sleeves yesterday, and a few hours later it was sleeting. Thumbs down!

Jen Ow said...

Hi Nic,

Yes! That was one of my favs, lol.

"My life is a dream." TM

(just watch where your step, and push the garbage out of the way so you have a place to sit...and pay no mind to the loaded guns and makeshift bunker we are all sleeping in. We are kinda going through some stuff right now...but, we fully intend to get back defrauding the system to pay for our Disney cruising and vaca fun as soon as this whole kidnapping/murder thing blows over)

Randie said...

@ Jen Ow....

FUNNY! Luved this!

(just watch where your step, and push the garbage out of the way so you have a place to sit...and pay no mind to the loaded guns and makeshift bunker we are all sleeping in. We are kinda going through some stuff right now...but, we fully intend to get back defrauding the system to pay for our Disney cruising and vaca fun as soon as this whole kidnapping/murder thing blows over)





Kellie said...

Hi Nic

Yeah, there is far more than meets the eye to the Moorer's. I expect ~deviant~ will probably be a mild word to describe it once all comes to the surface. I think the "troubling things" the police found, which have been obliterated from the report, are part of what I'm expecting to be revealed. The Disney connection rang my chimes right from the start and I'm betting their use of that connection to send lewd pics to a minor didn't just start recently.

ima.grandma said...

Peter,
Your statement explaining the criteria required for State intervention was directly to the point.

"The filth in the house must rise to a level to impact the physical health and well being of a child."

Are you able to make a similar in nature statement offering State intervention criteria involving the "filth in parents' minds" impacting the mental health and well being of a child?

Peter Hyatt said...

ima wrote:

ima.grandma said...
Peter,
Your statement explaining the criteria required for State intervention was directly to the point.

"The filth in the house must rise to a level to impact the physical health and well being of a child."

Are you able to make a similar in nature statement offering State intervention criteria involving the "filth in parents' minds" impacting the mental health and well being of a child?
March 17, 2014 at 4:37 AM >


If the parent is "unwilling or unable" to recognize the health threat to the child, intervention is necessary.

State intervention is a controversial topic. I support it only as a last resort.

Often in cases, there are prompts, warnings, and even threats made to the parents to "clean it up!" before actual removal of the children takes place.

When removal is necessary, the State seeks appropriate relatives; appropriate:

no sex offenders, child molesters, drug abusers, or those with a history of child abuse and/or neglect, and a record clean of violence.

Peter

Veronica said...

"Are you able to make a similar in nature statement offering State intervention criteria involving the "filth in parents' minds" impacting the mental health and well being of a child?"

imagrandma, do you believe the state is able to monitor or detect what goes on in someone's mind? Do you think, if the state could do this, it would be a good idea to punish people for what goes on inside of their mind?

JoAnn said...

Veronica,
When I read ima's comment about the "filth in parents' minds," I understood it to mean the filth in the mind as evidenced by the parents' behaviors & state of being. I don't think anyone here is sanctioning government mind-reading, even if such a thing was possible. There is an emotional abuse that is linked to a parent behaving inappropriately around their children, speaking inappropriately in the home, exposing their children to inappropriate images, people, or lifestyle that could be summed up as "filth in th mind of a parent." It may be harder for social workers or police to document than mor physical evidence, but is no less important or detrimental to a child's well-being.

JoAnn said...

^^pardon my typos please :)

C5H11ONO said...

I am confused as to the “nearly unlivable”. Doesn’t any unnecessary word used as a qualifier weakens a statement? I agree it is a truthful statement. If lying is stressful then when the police officer writing the report found himself to write unlivable, qualified it by writing “nearly” before it, therefore it is still livable. If according to Tammy the police had originally searched their home during their investigation into Heather’s disappearance, why didn’t they declare the home “unlivable” at that time? I think that their home seized to be a home after Heather’s murder.

I searched the internet for other “newsworthy” reports of “unlivable conditions” and I was unable to come up with a single report in quotes where the police officer added “nearly” to describe the unlivable conditions. Every quote from the police report only indicated that the conditions were unlivable. The only other quoted statement that was qualified indicated that it was “extremely unlivable”. All the conditions were describing people currently living in an unlivable environment. That is the reason that “nearly unlivable” struck me as unexpected coming from a policeman that has seen countless unlivable conditions but didn’t describe it that way. I don’t see how in this specific case qualifying the statement would be proper. What am I analyzing wrong? Please help me understand why “nearly” before unlivable is to be considered OK in this case, because anywhere I find someone saying the house was “nearly unlivable” I will take it to mean that it is still livable but very messy.

As to the overall state of the house being in disarray, I believe that what the police came across when they came to serve a search warrant, and considered “overall” in a state of “disarray” was that these people after committing murder began experiencing extreme paranoia. They were in my opinion exhibiting their fears by building their fortress of sorts. The mattresses all in one room may be their way of keeping the family “safe” from harm. I think they were messy, but now their efforts are concentrated in “protecting” the kids. I don’t know what their house looked like before Heather’s murder and how it looked afterwards. I am only speculating as to what happened in that household after these people committed a crime. The Legos everywhere. I guess it would be significant enough to mention in a report, not because they were strewn about because of messy kids. I think the Legos were placed all over the house by them in an attempt to be warned of any intruder actually making it into their house. That is the only way I can comprehend that the Legos would make it into the police report because it would look creepy to see hundreds of little pieces laid several inches apart all over the floor. The food that was noticed rotting? Was it only one plate that had rotting food? Maybe Tammy saved it to remind Sidney of his last peaceful meal?

C5H11ONO said...

The evidence, I speculate, for the police to concretely state that they believe Heather was murdered at Peachtree Landing is in my opinion because when she disappeared it was at night. If she was shot in the dark, there very well may have been significant blood evidence left behind that enabled them to determine that she couldn’t have survived due to the amount of blood found at the scene. If she was shot in the head there would be brain matter splattered around the scene, one where the killer or killers wouldn’t have been able to see in the dark.

The initial search warrant was not to search the house in regards to Heather’s murder, but for indecent exposure and another issue which never made it to the media (or the media reported incorrectly). If they were able to garner evidence that tied them to her murder I assume it would have been evidence that was found in the open (I am not certain if in the course of searching for evidence on something and you uncover evidence about something else if you can use it –I do know it’s a bit tricky, but if it was something that was visible to the human eye, then you can use it – I may need correction on this). From the police report we learned about the guns that were “visible”. I think that they were able to find the murder weapon, considering if she was shot in the dark, maybe they police was able to find the casing and after they were arrested, it was a short time before they were arraigned for murder. Determining if any of the guns located at the initial search was the murder weapon would not take long like DNA. The reason Sidney is accused of providing false information is in my opinion because he must have told police he had probably “lost” or had a particular gun “stolen” which he may have not had the opportunity to report before, and upon the police entering the house for the initial search warrant on the indecent exposure they found that lost/stolen gun lying in the open for them to see.

Anonymous said...

JoAnn, Everything you listed are actions done by the parents. Everything you named is an ACTION. imagrandma specifically contrasted visible "filth" and the "filth" (she didnt define this) "inside a person's mind".
Parents can be punished for emotional abuse as manifested in harmful actions/words, but imagrandma did not ask Peter what the guidelines are for removal of children due to emotional abuse. She specified she wanted to know what the criteria are regarding the removal of children "due to the filth in someone's mind". My question to imagrandma was out of curiosity as well as concern that she may feel that the government (or others) may have or have the capability of monitoring or detecting someone's thoughts inside their head. I wanted to find out whether she believes anyone has that capability because some people DO believe that and it can be a sign of schizophrenia, so I was very concerned.

Veronica said...

Sorry I should have written name as Veronica, tired still, need a 3rd cup of coffee.

JoAnn said...

Veronica,
Your passive-aggressive statement purporting "concern" that ima is exhibiting schizophrenic thoughts is very telling. And there is a big difference in visible "filth," as was documented in the police report (moldy food, strewn trash, feces in the yard), things you can see & photograph, as opposed to "filth in someones's mind" that would not be concrete and visible, but evidenced by a group of behaviors, a general lifestyle, much harder to document.

Anonymous said...

Joann, You just stated "evidenced by a group of BEHAVIORS". Behaviors are actions. They are not "filth inside a person's mind". I made that distiction before that imagrandma did not ask about actions or behaviors but rather about what goes on inside a person's mind. This is what she said. You are saying she said something she did not. She did not ask what are the criteria for taking kids away due to behaviors, actions or lifestyles of the parents. She asked what are the criteria for taking away kids due to filth in the parents minds.

JoAnn said...

Anonymous/Veronica/???
I guess I read ima.grandma's mind! I applied common sense & something miraculous happened: I understood what she meant.
:)

Anonymous said...

Joann, I get what you're saying. I am legitimately concerned though. Imagrandma does seem to have some unusual thought processes. I didnt know if she thought the state could monitor people's thoughts.
I had been concerned about imagrandma when she told another poster on here to "confess" and didnt state what that person should confess to or what imagrandma believed that poster to be guilty of. I genuinely was befuddled by her telling a poster to "confess" and wondered if she was having some disorganized thinking going on?

Anonymous said...

Jason :-)

The self-righteousness here sometimes becomes completely unbearable and distracting.

Sus said...

My husband's high- school summer job was working for the state. That entailed cleaning homes deemed inhabitable. He said it was common to find dried vomit all over bedroom floors, dirty diapers, feces on walls and the floor, and even dead cats and dogs in the homes. Just thought I'd give you a picture if the homes he saw.

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QChick said...

There can be physical evidence about the "filth in someones mind". Journal entries, blog entries, leaving porn mags out in plain view with underage children (well, any age child imo, but let's go with underage), leaving sex toys out in general living areas, again in plain view, inappropriate pictures of children, IM mssgs and IM pics to underage children, direct IM requests for inappropriate photos from underage children.
I am not saying that the Moorer's are guilty of any of this----just that there can be physical manifestation of someones "filthy mind".
Consenting adults can do whatever the hell they want, leave whatever they want anywhere, and IM any other adult whatever they want...provided that children are not involved.

Legomania said...

i had legos when i was a kid. i made guns with them.