Saturday, March 29, 2014

Tammy Moore's Threatening Text

In the previous article from an anonymous stalker of a Little Leaguer's family, we saw the subject using passivity in the threat of violence.  Although highly emotional, she was not able to use the pronoun, "I" when it came to violence.  
Here is a text message sent from Tammy Moorer, to murder victim, Heather Elvis.  Statement Analysis is in bold type.  First is the text, then it is repeated with emphasis and analysis. 
Nov. 1, 2013
To Heather.. someone's about to get their a-- beat down.. your b--- is about to take his last breath... You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... that way wont have a great turn out for you... I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one.
To Heather.. I've been having Sidney followed since Jan. 2012.. it's best you call back and speak to me, save yourself. Hey ...... you ready to meet the MRS?
Heather responds...
I think you are a little obsessed with me. I'm nobody you need to worry about anymore.
Nov. 3, 2013
To Heather.. by the way dad no longer owns a phone.
Nov. 1, 2013
To Heather.. someone's about to get their a-- beat down.. your b--- is about to take his last breath... 

Did Tammy intend violence towards her husband, Sidney, which would lead to his death?  ("last breath" indicates death).
1.  Please note that only "someone's" is not to name Sidney, or even "my husband."  This is neutral language and lacks emotion.

2.  "about to get..." is not to say "I will.." but avoids using the pronoun "I" in the threat.  It is not "he will get" but "about to" get, adding in a pause of time.  

3.  "is about to take" is passive language.  This also avoids the pronoun "I" and also adds the pause in time of "about to", weakening commitment to violence. 

You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... 
She now turns her attention away from Sidney, and towards Heather.  "I will find out another way" is very strong.  This is a threat:

that way wont have a great turn out for you... 
Here she says "that way", that is, the method of finding out where Heather was at the time.  It won't have a "great turn out for you", is not a threat of direct violence, but a threat of the means of which Tammy would learn Heather's whereabouts. 
At this date, Tammy is very serious about learning Heather's whereabouts.  In context, it is chillingly frightful. 
Tammy's method of finding out where Heather was, was, itself, a threat.  

I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one.
The threat is to reveal where Heather was at the time.  The threat, in context, is not violence, but in learning her location.  
Question:  What other possible threats could Tammy have used in her attempt to meet, face to face, with Heather?
Answer:   It may be that Tammy had threatened Heather's family. 

Take this possibility along with the Facebook rant Tammy posted and look at the possible projection where she accuses Heather's father of such threats. 
Did Tammy make threats against Heather's father, mother and/or sister?

To Heather.. I've been having Sidney followed since Jan. 2012.. 

Note it the passivity "I've been having" could be that she does not wish to reveal who has done the following or..
there is no identity of one following him because no one followed him.  Either way, the identity is not revealed. 

it's best you call back and speak to me, save yourself. Hey ...... you ready to meet the MRS?
Tammy is "the MRS" with "MRS" emphasized in full capitalization.  We have seen in her statements the language of dominance, and this is no different. 
Heather responds...
I think you are a little obsessed with me. I'm nobody you need to worry about anymore.
Nov. 3, 2013
To Heather.. by the way dad no longer owns a phone.

Conclusion:  Sidney was never in physical danger as the rage and hatred was towards Heather.  

105 comments:

Sus said...

Bam! And there you have unraveled Tammy Moorer's primary means of controlling others...threats...rants and threats.

Don't forget she threatened to shoot Sidney and herself. I wish we could see her exact words through that rant because I also doubt they were serious.

Seeing her father's history, I imagine she learned the power of threats from him.

On the morning Heather was murdered, I think Sidney Moorer set it in motion with his phone call. From there on Heather kept calling him and it was very likely Tammy answering. I believe Heather was ready to confront Tammy's threat...not realizing how serious Tammy was and that Sidney would betray her.

trustmeigetit said...

Was Brittanee Drexel in this area where the body was found? For some reason I do not think it's Heather.

JoAnn said...

Comparing the language used in Tammy Moorer's text messages to the language used in the anonymous notes to the DeMasi family, it looks like they both used passive language in their threats of violence against Sidney & the coach, respectively. Then Tammy takes it further, by taking ownership of threats made against Heather.

Is there also more implied ownership of a threat made by a named person than a threat made by "anonymous"?

Anonymous said...

OT

http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Trista_Reynolds_calls_for_child_endangerment_charges_in_Ayla_disappearance_.html?pagenum=full

Carnival Barker said...


@Sus,
I completely disagree that Heather was ready to confront Tammy. If you look at Heather's response, she doesn't hit back, she doesn't incite, she doesn't shift blame, she just tries to diffuse the situation. Plus, IF Heather was going to meet Tammy just to get her off her back, I highly, highly doubt she would have done it in the pitch-black middle of the night in such a desolate place.

I'm positive she was lured there by someone she trusted.

Carnival Barker said...


Peter,

What do you make of Tammy's text to Heather where she refers to Sidney as "dad"? That is not only bizarre but creepy. It's not like she's talking to one of her own children.

Sus said...

CB,
Those texts are from November. That was Heather's state of mind then. Once Sidney called her from the pay phone, something seemed to change. Heather made repeated calls to Sidney. Yes, it was a lure, but was it just to be with Sidney? I think now it was to also confront her tormentor, maybe even on Sidney's behalf. Or at the least with Sidney's help, which of course, we know he did not give.

Randie said...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/The-State-of-South-Carolina-vs-Sidney-and-Tammy-Moorer/724058540972400

Someone is claiming Tammy is pregnant.

Anonymous said...

The text does NOT say tell me where you are. It says tell me WHO you are! I don't know where everyone is getting where you are from, but the court pictures clearly show WHO you are.

Anonymous said...

Facts should be checked before an analysis is done on a statement. It's very easy to do a google search on the texts they showed in court.

Theresa said...

Can you give a link, Anon?

THanks!

Anonymous said...

http://www.wbtw.com/story/24992456/bond-hearing-for-horry-county-couple-accused-of-killing-20-year-old-missing-woman

Anonymous said...

Scroll through the pictures and it shows the texts. A lot of news sites have these pics. Google moorer bond hearing.

Anonymous said...

What I have never understood is that IF TM was having SM followed for so long, she would have already known who Heather was. I believe her text was the result of a drunken rant when Sidney was late, possibly very late, coming home one night.

Anonymous said...

She obviously wanted to know who he was having an affair with, I can't see how any woman would not want to know who the other woman is....I also don't see a wife asking nicely either.

Anonymous said...

I am trying to transport back into time to a 20 year old's state of mind. It is very difficult! The time of night does not bother me. I think Tammy would get drunk A LOT of pass out, Heather worked late hours so the late nights could have been more of an HE/SM pattern. I wonder if SM called HE saying he was leaving TM, etc and Heather said thanks but no thanks but that she would meet him to exchange items that couples inevitably in a relationship exchange - a favorite t shirt, ball cap, items that TM would have noticed missing. Heather was reportedly upset when she talked to her roommate in FL. Her Tumblr posts were very sad in nature and not happy/excited. Then, after meeting at PTL all hell busted lose. I wonder very much if Heather was taken from PTL by boat and dumped at of of the many inlet fingers just as much as I wonder if the 5k the M's withdrew on 12/18 was part of the 10k found in the safe or not, meaning did they have 15k and spend 5k?

Anonymous said...

If TM was having SM followed, she would have already known who the other woman was. Sorry if my post was not clear.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, it was clear.. My post was not in reply to yours, I was just thinking out loud ;)

Anonymous said...

They did have that marathon planned since the year before, so maybe that was the reason for the cash withdrawal.

somanyways said...

judging by analysis of these posts alone - was Heather in physical danger?

I don't see it, here.

MRS is supposed to be capitalized, if she put it in lower case that would be unusual.

Terry said he did not know about affair, so if he or anybody in his family was getting harassed that would contradict his statement.

somanyways said...

to me those texts don't seem like effect direct threats -- they seems like a woman incensed. and somewhat all over the place with what to do about it. they seems to lack focus and strategy.

somanyways said...

I highly doubt Tammy really had Sidney followed, if that were the case she would have way more info to go on .

somanyways said...

oops - I guess Mrs is not all supposed tobe capitalized, still, arogance is one thing -- -- I don't see anything in here that suggest potential for murder in a conclusive way. does anybody else?

Anonymous said...

I don't. Only thing I get from these texts is an angry wife who just found out about her cheating husband.

somanyways said...

what I also don't see in these texts is solidarity in mindset with Sidney. She may not intend to kill him - but she also shows no sigh of being able to trust him to the point that they are so in sync that they could murder together, -- to me she sounds very alone in her feelings

somanyways said...

not a single use of the word "we"

even by calling herself "the MRS" she separates herself from Sidney, if instead she had said - his wife, it might sound more like they are a potential murderous TEAM from what I learned on this blog)

somanyways said...

also use of word dad - to me that shoes what sidney is to her -- nolonger felt as husband but still father to her childrdren. which is less close than the former.

Anonymous said...

That makes the most sense of her use of the word dad. That had me scratching my head for a bit, thank you for making sense of it!

Anonymous said...

I don't understand why Peter did not check the facts before the analysis.

Anonymous said...

Welcs :-)

Angelina said...

In reference to people asking about the "dad" text, in my opinion it does not make sense TM would go from being incensed wanting to know WHO Sidney's lover is to, a few days later, calling Sidney "dad" when texting his lover. I actually think it is so strange that I find it hard to believe Tammy authored this particular text or if she did, did she intend to text one of her kids but accidentally texted Heather?

Angelina said...

I also do think that the language if texting Sidney's (at the time) unidentified lover and calling Sidney "your bitch" makes me wonder if Tammy thought Sidney's lover was male (maybe he had previously had gay affairs). This sounds to be the language of someone who believes or suspects they are texting a man. Notice too there is no deragotory comment made to the at the time unknown recipient of the text which woukd indicate Tammy thought his lover was female like writing b$&ch or something.

somanyways said...

it's true those textx are super weird. "dad" "your bitch" -- both really weird. her other posts that we have read from the internet do not read like thse at all. she seems much more "normal" in her naming of genders/people etc.,

I can think of explanation for the dad but "your bitch" is super weird.

wonder if there is a chance one of the kids wrote some of these texts.

somanyways said...

all these theories about the moorers taking Heather's body to another state on their travels --- does anybody realize how hard it is to travel with a dead body!! and with three kids in tow also? it smells, it's horrifying, it takes up a lot of space. it leaves scent in car that can never fully come out,

it's not probable. to put it very lightly.

even on night of -- IF they had transported Heather in their truck dead or alive her scent would have shown up intheir truck, it would have given the cops probable cause for arrest on day one.

Anonymous said...

I think if tammy killed heather she did not have sidneys blessing. but i dont know how they could have separated enough for her to do it without him.

Angelina said...

somanyways,
I agree the calling Sidney "your bitch" is very weird.
This is just my opinion, but, and I have no idea what this means but the "your bitch" text almost sounds like it was written BY a man TO another man.
Consider, TM in her facebook rant does refer to Heather in derogatory names like "psycho whore", "hoe", etc that, while being horrible hideous names to call her do indicate she is speaking of a female (who Sidney cheated with). In the "your bitch" text, she does not call the text recipient any names which would indicate she believed the recipient was female. Does she just "hold her tongue"? She doesnt let the b-word fly towards the text recipient. Or any other word, however awful, that would indicate female.
Consider also the masculine tone of the "your bitch" text. It begins with a physical threat towards "someone" (presumably Sidney). "someone's about to get their ass beat down". The next sentence refers to Sidney as "your bitch". It truly sounds like a dominating man writing to another man! In fact, the language sounds like prison talk (someone's about to get his ass beat down". "Your bitch is about to take his last breath"). It sounds like someone who has done hard jail time!

The next text states that the writer has been having Sidney followed since Jan 2012. Who did Tammy think Sidney had bern cheating with previous to Heather or this just a bluff?
The "dad" text I find very strange. Others have said they understand it, but I don't, because I don't uderstand how she can go from murderous rage to calmly stating "oh by the way dad doesn't own a phone anymore". And I really don't get why she woukd refer to Sidney as "dad" to Heather?!

Anonymous said...

I think it had to been both or neither. Her going solo makes no sense with the pay phone call, the little time at the landing, and most if all sidney not saying a word while being behind bars.

Anonymous said...

I take that back, it had to been both or sidney solo. I can see him doing it. Just not Tammy on her own.

somanyways said...

OMG cold that text be from tammy to Sidney via Heather's phone -- because Tammy realizes the two of them must be together somwhere she can't locate?? but sid has no phone at this point so she's threatening the two of them together on Heathers phone assuming the two of them will read it together

somanyways said...

oh never mind "his" last breath -- doesn't fit that theory

somanyways said...

I just can' imagine WHY heather raced to that landing if she had any incling that Tammy knew she was headed there.

somanyways said...

actually i don't know why Heaher went to that landing no matter how you cut it

somanyways said...

MAYBE heather called sids phone assuming Tammy woiuld answer - to say -- hey your husbands annoying me again. keep him on a tighter leash, and sid was like -- hey thanks so much for info lets meet up ad have heart to heart. meanwhile sid stays cuffed to bed

Angelina said...

somanyways, That is an interesting theory. Cause Sidney had said when supposedly he ansered the cell call from Heather it was to tell her to stop calling. Maybe he's turning it around and it was actually her telling him to stop but TM answered and did offer to meet up. But then the calls from the dock to SM's phone? I'm not sure.
I liked the theory you had where she may have turned to someone for help to deal with the Sidney thing bc somehow I feel there is a 3rd person involved.

Angelina said...

This is probably a far stretch but with the dad text, any possibility Tammy was referring to her own dad?
Keep in mind, at the time of tge texts Tammy doesnt know WHO she is texting.
Telling the text recipient, "your bitch is about to take his last breath"
Could TM, SM and her father been involved in drug trafficking, SM lies to TM about Heather's number on phone saying it is number of a drug associate and that explains why he's been sneaking around, maybe money has even disappeared spent by Sid when he's with Heather, Tammy gets paranoid, thinks Sidney is screwing her over with drig money to this person hence the "your bitch" comment. Like she might of though Sidney was the "bitch" of some other drug runner?

somanyways said...

:) I agree third party involvement allows for everything to make logistical sense. glad you like that theory,

I keep trying to figure some way the moorers doing it really fits with the facts. forever it feels like a slightly oval peg fitting in a perfectly round hole.

however -- there's nothing to disprove it at the same time.

rrr :)

somanyways said...

I dunno about that idea -- sounds a bit complex. BUT you are reminding me Sid does/did run heroine., according to some story. it's so possibl;e either one of them could have "bad guys" at their disposal to hire to do a hit. I don't see how that fits too well either tho.

if I had to just guess final answer style -- I'd say Tammy was just very drunk and it was a just bit of a slip to call Sid her bitch. and may reflect her feeling about him -- but nothing more multileveled.

course thats just my best guess.

Nic said...

AFter tammy discovered who Heather was/where she worked (where Sidney did some carpentry work) Tammy confronted her and punched her. Tammy also grabbed the phone from Sidney when he was talking to the mgr at the Tilted Kilt and yelled at him that he should fire Heather.

"your bitch" is a submissive term. I speculate that she is a dominatrix and literally, Sidney wears a collar from time to time (roll play). She was asserting her dominance when texting Heather who at that time was unknown to her.

If Tammy was having Sidney followed it wasn't during the time that Sidney and Heather were carrying on as she would know about her. The only way she could have discovered the affair was to go through Sidney's text history/numbers he called/rec'd and that's when she confiscated his phone.

There is a lot of back story and links to the above in the earlier threads.

Anonymous said...

What about tammy being so shocked to learn that sidney was calling heather earlier that nigt. that in that moment the murder was planned and not at all before. in moment heather called sidneys phone.

Anonymous said...

I agree Nic. I don't think she had Sidney followed, I think she just said that, for fear and shock value. I don't think she knew who Heather was at the time. I'm wondering if Tammy assumed she was threatening a husband or boyfriend, again for fear and shock value.

Those are just suggestions though, not to let Tammy off the hook for anything, just trying to make heads or tails of the weird texts.

Anonymous said...

Didtammys dad do jail time?

Anonymous said...

I always get tripped up on this luring theory. the moorers only placed ONE call to heather. meanwhile she attempts to call them. SIX times. and they only answer once. that somevery passive luring.

Kellie said...

Anonymous said...

The text does NOT say tell me where you are. It says tell me WHO you are! I don't know where everyone is getting where you are from, but the court pictures clearly show WHO you are.

March 29, 2014 at 12:01 PM

__________________________

You are right anon! The one word WHO as opposed to WHERE changes the entire context of that part of Peter's analysis. Tammy wasn't asking WHERE Heather was, but rather WHO she was, which would support her not knowing about Heather at that point. Unless pretending she didn't know who was calling Sidney was a rouse too.

Anonymous said...

Yeah probably too complex, I do think it's a possibility that, before she knew who sid was cheating with, she thought he was cheating with a guy, but I guess it's not that relevant either way.
I do agree that is very passive luring. It seemed like sid contacted her, and then she's trying to call him a lot, he finally answers, right away she drives to dock, vanishes but ni trace if her being in their truck?
The whole thing with the truck speeding to dock and speeding right away is strange too.
I do wonder if they had help. The fake texters come to mind because I just dont understand what their motive would have been to try to "frame" TM and SM since people already suspected TM and SM unless the fake texters helped TM and SM harm Hesther and then turned on SM and TM. SM and TM would not be able to say the 2 fake texters were involved without completely incriminating themselves. I don't know. Something doesnt add up. I just think there was some 3 rd party involved.

Angelina said...

Anon @ 9:41, I dont know if he did time. I have read that he was arrested and that he was a violent person.

Angelina said...

I do think it is a possibility Tammy's father could have written the "your bitch" text. That's not to let her off the hook for anything. It is just that particular text seems to have a male voice behind it with no indicators that the writer of the text knows at that time the recipient is female.

Angelina said...

Nic, yes "your bitch" is a term of submission but very odd that Tammy would imply that Sid is submissive to the text recipient. One thing if she considers she dominates Sid and he submits another thing to say he is dominated by text recipient. I hear a male voice in the writer of the text. Maybe Tammy's father?

somanyways said...

Tammy's father would be option for that text.

my BF is sure the two fake textures did it. ha that's his theory all the time :) I agree it's a pretty good theory.,

somanyways said...

I am just not convinced that that truck is the moorer's or that it's even necessarily same truck driving both ways. 82 matching trucks in that towns leads to a lot of variables. wish I knew how they verified it.

Anonymous said...

The older of two fake texters is close friend if terry and watched heather grow up. not saying that doesnt make them suspects at all but if they were involved highly doubt it was in partnership with moorers.

Anonymous said...

Why did heather become so agressive about meeting that night? 45 min aftr sad phone call to friend and sad tumbler posts _ 45 min of no record of her behavior - or activity - she becomes the agressor. calling at least 7 times getting to that landing immediately. Was it really her and if so why????? or did somebod get to her in those 45 mins and knew what numbers to call to frame moorers

Anonymous said...

What coukd work - sidney did drive ti heather rught after pay phine call. killed her somehow. made phone calks from her phone to give impression that he had never shown up. has tammy pick him up from landing after dropping off car.

Angelina said...

I don't get the whole short payphone call, calls friend in FL for 2 min to say sid is leaving wife but she is crying, then sad tumblr, then her trying to call him many times, then he finally answers, then she rushes to the dock and is murdered?
Why was she so sad IF/WHEN he said he was leaving his wife?
Why only talk to FL friend for 2 min? Could someone have shown up at her apartment so she cut the call short?

somanyways said...

I think - if I recall right - tumbler posts were after payphone call but before calling roommate in florida,

and after florida call there's no record of Heather on internet or otherwise until her phone calls back payphone 43 mins later.

It's really not a "lure" when she becomes the agressor like that. it contradicts premediation on part of moorers to get her to landing. because it appears to be HER idea. she's the one aggressively calling - leading up to it.

if that one pay phone call set all these wheels in motion with expert timing and psychological cotroll -- then the moorers are way more intelligent than they've ever demonstrated otherwise.

Heather had some kind of plan when she started calling back, or whoever was using her phone did,.

also --- heather should have known it was a payphone she was calling back to/ because Sidney had to say what kind of phone he was calling on - explaining the #. & also -- she would have known only Tammy could pick up sidneys phone - only Tammy had password. So in a way -- Heather had no reason to expect she's reach Sidney on either number -- . Also why would she want to meet Sidney at PTL and not at her apt. If she expected a positive interaction - her apt would be far better.


I see so many signs it wasn't Heather using her own phone and car at that point in evening.

somanyways said...

ya -- I think very likely somwebody showed up at her place during that time,

somanyways said...

the fact that all phone data ended immediately folling those three unanswered calls -- is not actually conclusive with a murder in that moment because the phone doesn't turn off moment person is killed, the phone turns off when battery is removed. even dropping it in water -- would take time for phone data to stop working. only way to immediately make it stop is to remove battery - or like explode whole phone or something. seems to me if data stopped immediately -- whoever was making those three calls pulled battery themselves.

if they police are not being accurate in saying data stopped immediately -- then there are plenty other explanations possible, but if data stopped immediately then somebodies first course of action was to pull that battery, ---

Anonymous said...

Interesting. This makes a lot more sense then her going to the landing on her own in the middle of the night.

Angelina said...

I too, wonder why she called back the payphone. She would have known it was a payphone and yet called back after time had passed. I imagine when the payphone call ended after 4 min that it was because sid ran out of coins which would have further indicated it was a payphone.

Angelina said...

Do they mean by data stopped that there were no incoming/outgoing calls or texts past that point?

it's possiblr said...

I think that TM's disgust with SM showed up in her insulting him/name calling. 1st by calling him HE's "bitch" which reduces him to a weak, pathetic, follower and again by stating btw, "dad" no longer has a phone. I think in her use of the weird "dad" she's bringing to HE's attention that SM has responsibility to his children and that his relationship with HE shows what a lousy father he is. TM is insulting the bejesus out of SM and therefore shaming/insulting HE for being involved with him.

somanyways said...

who taken what down?

Randie said...

A supporter of Tammy Moorer has been reading and researching here. The problem is, they have their analysis off.

This comes from a fb page called: Tammy and Sidney Moorer are Innocent:

[Dec. 23, Elvis' voice shook as he spoke about his daughter, remembering important events in her life. "I can't explain it," he said. "It's like having your heart torn out, 24 hours a day. No sleep, you can't eat, just the worry, the worry is overwhelming.
I'd give anything, anything to have her back safe."

^^^^^^^
He can't explain it, but then he goes on to explain it.
No sleep = Dropped pronoun, becomes "you".
"just", worry twice = sensitive, why, what is his true worry?
"anything" twice = sensitive, why?
Is he not willing to give himself up
or
does he know she will never be back safe?]

This administrator of this page is not using statement analysis. She/he has read here just enuf to do it wrong. Ha! What a joke!

Anonymous said...

I cant even find that page on internet is it from recent? Iagree guy has said some wacky stuff. but that isnt much of an example. i wonder who the tammy supporters are.

Anonymous said...

They said all data as in no pings on towers that occur enev when phone nit in use.

Anonymous said...

Sidney was in pretty good shape maybe he didnt use gun. youd think cops could see ig any of moorer weapons had been fired recently.

Anonymous said...

Randie
The dropped pronoun part IS interesting though and does show up in other odd places in Terry's writing including his description of what he did on the "ominously normal" evening right before Heather went missing.
There are much better examples of suspicious things in Terry's writing though.

Rachael said...

Tammy was giving Heather one chance to tell her WHO she was, not where.

And Heather told her. She wasn't someone Tammy had to worry about any more.

:(

Angelina said...

Anon, thank you for the info about what they meant by no data. I am confused though, because I am assuming this would mean batteries were taken out or the phone was destroyed, but Terry Elvis has said he called Heather several times after the cop brought him to her car at PTL, and her phone went to voice mail several times. Does this mean someone removed her phone batteries around the time of Heather's kidnapping but then put them back into her phone?

Anonymous said...

right -- I always remember "a little tv" in his story about what he did night she went missing. and I wanted to say a little tv -- who what??

tho then you could say who cares if he watched tv or not, -- but there are lots of others examples in his statements,. things that seem they could be much more significant. really dunno what to do with that.

somanyways said...

Angelina said...
Anon, thank you for the info about what they meant by no data. I am confused though, because I am assuming this would mean batteries were taken out or the phone was destroyed, but Terry Elvis has said he called Heather several times after the cop brought him to her car at PTL, and her phone went to voice mail several times. Does this mean someone removed her phone batteries around the time of Heather's kidnapping but then put them back into her phone?

March 31, 2014 at 2:46 PM

I asked a guy about this a couple weeks ago, he considers himself in the know about this stuff -- actually i asked him about the malaysian plane - because phones were still ringing for the passengers too. -- he said/i was told -- phones can still ring even if phone is destroyed. the service itself in not IN the phone therefore they can still ring forthe caller - so that they hear it. however the phone itself will not actually ring if it has been desreoyed, etc. he went on to tell me a phone dropped in water does not immediately stop working. and would not immediately stop sending a signal. to stop a signal you'd have to remove battery and sim card or at least battery. -- all this came from this guy i expect knows what he's talking about. but I personally don't know this stuff on my own. ----- but what really trips me up -- is IF what je's advising me is true -- it's such a big deal that all her data stopped in that moment, it means it was somebodies first thought to pull that battery. I'm inclined to think the police have it wrong - it sounds so unreasonable. but anyway -- given what they are saying -- somebody had to put a buttet through her phone or pull the battery or in some way really destroy it in that moment.

somanyways said...

if the mooers (one or both of them) nabbed Heather in that 120 second turnarounf at Peach tree Landing -- they had to have also taken the time to dismantle her phone. for whateve reason they felt it wouldn' be enough to leave it there with her car -- they got it from her and shut it off. and got her in car without signs of struggle.

I can see strong motive -- but logistics here seem forever just out of reach,

Anonymous said...

Anon @ 4:35
Yep there are other concerning things in his writing, but even aside from this behaviorally some things are off. He has said that what people have said about him and his family have hurt as much as Heather's disappearance, and however hard I try to understand this, I can't understand how a person would care A LOT about what others say about them when their daugter is missing. I definitely cant understand how it would hurt as much as his daughter being missing.

Anonymous said...

somanyways, I agree, I don't understand about the phone, how would thry have had the time to dismantle her phone before speeding down the road? It sounds like they had to have help of some kind like someone who is a "professional" hitman or something??

Anonymous said...

I was sure the father was involved, so many statement and behavioral things. some things just -- yeah.

however -- now I can't figure how he could have - logistically - gotten involved that night -- seeing as her phone data keeps her phone at her apartment all night until she ( or other person with her phone) drove direct to ptl.

I had imagined her driving tohim at his home or work and then he gets involved, but with no recorn of her phone leaving her apartment I can't figure how she would have gotten his attention. unless he just showed up at her door of his own accord.

somanyways said...

yeah -- does seem professional. if that phone date info is accurate.

Angelina said...

It is very strange too since Sidney picked up Heather's call right before she drove to PTL. For someone to swiftly remove the batteries would mean they were very conscious of the phone and it's use as evidence for who she had contacted as well as it would give clues of her location. So, it is hard to understand how their attitude could be yeah no big deal there is a record of Heather to Sidney call right before she disappears but yet they have tge forethought to swiftly dismantle her phone to throw off locating her because if they had left it in her car they could have gotten a ping and perhaps located her sooner if people had noticed she was missing.
It is the sane kind of pardox of why Sid would call her from payphone so there would be no record of his call and yet answer her cell phone call right before she disappeared.

somanyways said...

agreed! you have to assume either they were really just that stupid -- OR they really were just harassing her and did not disappeared/murdered her.

somanyways said...

possibly they thought if they pulled the sim card it would erase her phone records - but i think most anybody would know that doesn't work

Angelina said...

somanyways, Sorry, just now read your comment. I agree, I don't understand how Terry could be involved.
I get the feeling of a third party involved coaching Sid (and?) Tammy like saying "call her from payphone" but then saying "OK yeah pick up" when Heather kept calling almost like the person wanted Sid and Tammy to be caught. Maybe this 3 rd party disposed of Heather and therefore was cautious of dismantling her phone so he himself would not be caught but actually wanted Tammy and Sid to get caught?

somanyways said...

I think if they did it -- it went like this -- Sidney calls Heathe from pay phone with sincere feelings about missing her.

Heather takes some time to realize -- no -- is her answer , thank's for asking.

and then she starts calling back intent on drawing that line. but her brazenly calling sidney's call alerts Tammy, cause there's no way Sidney can answer that phone without Tammy present. This causes -- a do or die moment for Sidney more than anybody -- he just got exposed -- all his promoses to Tammy just exposed as lies - he's still calling the girl. So Sidney invites Heather to landing -- says baby please please please just let me talk to you in person / and after hanging up he says Tammy don't you worry --- Im gonna make good on the man i'm suppoerd to be.

and he goes by himself and does it.

and only explanation of where he put her is rght in water and i don't know why they can't find her or have proof one of his guns was fired.

somanyways said...

also - bodies float. you want to hide a body in water you have to take time to weigh it down. ;(

i don't know how they did it in such short timmeeee

Angelina said...

somanyways, the scenario you described at 5:45 could have happened. So odd though that sid would have called to say he was leaving wife after or during around the town sex. It's possible but strange especially aftrr he had not talked to her for months, but it is possible. I don't know though, if his heart was missing Heather I don't think he would kill her to appease Tammy a few hours later.
I also think it is strange about Heather's sad Tumblr after sid's call. You would think even if she was not interested or torn about getting back together with sid there would be some ego boost high from it or if she had loved him it would make her heart feel happy that he at least was saying he wanted to be with her. Especially when you are 20 and anything seems possible you would think him saying I want to be with you would make her feel at least briefly hopeful and happy rather than crying and melancholy. What was making her so sad I wonder? And I don't think it could have been fear of Tammy because she rushed down to the dock. What was making her so sad?

somanyways said...

Angelina - do you know when the arround town sex took place exactly?? i do not know -- it's such a missing puzzle piece for me to know exact timing. i'd assumed it was after 3:40

Angelina said...

It was sometime before 3:40. One of the sex incidents (public exposure) I think happened shortly after midnight near where Heather had worked at the Tilted Kilt. And there was another incident that night as well. (I read that here on this site).

somanyways said...

that's very good point about -- why was she sad. they talked fr 5 minutes, so more details of any kind could have been relayed.

to me -- sometimes when something happens that you want but thought you'd never have -- you cry -- kinda cause finally you can. it doesn't really seem incongruous. also -- i'd assumed it might even be more pressure than she wanted. she surely wasn;t looking for all the baggage he was now clearly bringing with him. so like it was something she wanted for so long but maybe now she doesn't want it.

but exactly why she did about face. and drove to landing like she did ,-- -- ?

somanyways said...

oh! well thats so different if that's true about timing. yeah --- why on earth would they do that before and then also kill? also I really don't understand all their plans to move -- seems these plans were underway befor heather vanished. but if they were planning to leave town anyway why would they also need to kill her.

somanyways said...

do you know did they also text her images that night?

Angelina said...

Yeah I could see her crying because she felt her heart was finally getting what it wanted but the melancholia Tunblr stuff is odd. Unless she had told him flat out during payphone call she couldn't be with him, then the sad Tumblr makes sense to me. But then you're right she would have had to have done an emotional 180, which is possible, and yet it seemed he was avoiding her calls for a time that night.
I have read they did text her a graphic image that night.
I did not know they had previously planned to move, maybe Tammy wanted Sid out of the town?

somanyways said...

any chance you can post where it says they sent her graphic pic that night?

i haven't been able to find any account of that.


if thats the case it would surely effect her thinking that night. and reason for calling back etc.

maybe the sad stuff is her not wanting to go back, feeling heart break as she resigns to sy no.

but you are right -- her roommate said she said sidney said he wanted to get back together, BUT we don't know for sure that's what Sidney said, it may be heather didn't want to relay exactly what he said for some reason.

Angelina said...

I read that on one of the blog posts here, might have been in evidence presented to court? I am not sure exactly where I saw it in the blog.
I have always had a question mark about the 2 min phone call to FL friend. Why was the call so short? Was it cut short for some reason? The friend said she seemed to be upset or crying (which seems to fit in with the sad Tumblr) but so strange that she only talked to her friend in distress for 2 min. Did the friend cut the call short, hang up on her even, for some reason? The friend said she "seemed" to be upset or crying but yet the friend did not talk for longer than 2 min to find out about what was going on to upset her friend? I feel the friend must have cut the call short maybe even hung up on her. It takes at least a minute to even explain that a person needs to get off the phone.
I haven't read Heather's tumblr but I read her twitter and this may have nothing to do with the case, but looking for clues there were 3 things she wrote that I thought were so strange
1) the falling down the stairs at work thing
2) when she sees her doctor and he questioned her about why she had lost 5 lbs (especially since it looks like she was a healthy weight in the pic she sent Terry) and Heather seemed angry or upset about this
3) the statement Heather wrote "Like mother like daughter literally"
Anyway, just searching my brain for clues.
It always does seem like there is some missing piece to the case.

Angelina said...

Weight loss thing was on twitter. I guess I just thought it was odd the doctor would question her about losing 5 lbs since she appeared to be of a healthy weight maybe even a few extra lbs in the pic she sen Terry. Could be previous anorexia or with pregnancy they would question 5 lb weight loss even in 1 st trimester.
The "Like mother like daughter, literally." was just it's own statement on twitter not really in a context but I really wondered what she meant by this. People will say things like "Like mother like daughter" when talking about the daughter does this or that or likes this or that just like her mother. But for her to write "like mother like daughter, literally" seems strange as there was no context and it seems kind of concerning.

Anonymous said...

This was on the SATMAI FB-page:

LE had video of Sidney making the call to Heather from the pay phone on 10th ave at the kangaroo. They also have Tammy sitting in the car on Sidney's cell phone and records showing that she was sending sexual pictures of her what should be private parts to another man. This was brought out at the bond hearing. Tammy and Sidney's children got to hear all about it as well as Aunt Lisa, so I'm just saying, If Tammy was my niece I'd be asking her and Sidney some hard questions. And if the answers weren't something I could share here on Facebook, maybe I wouldn't go making posts all over Facebook then crying when people attacked me. I've seen some pretty ugly posts made by aunt Lisa, and when you are ugly to people, people usually get ugly back.

Anonymous said...

So could it be concludes tammy did or didnt know sid was making that payphpne call?

somanyways said...

does that mean Tammy was waiting in truck while Sidney made pay phone call -- same time? can you post like to thit - has it been reported?
thanks

SATMAI said...

@ Anon 7:30
I wonder how and when Heather's coworker were able to see those photos Tammy sent at that time?
imo, the coworkers are not reliable witnesses in this case.