Thursday, April 11, 2013

POLL: Scurry County: "Thank You" Public Posting



Readers have asked, "What is the difference between the remains found in 2012 and the remains found in 2013, with regard to the two Persons of Interest, Billie Dunn, Hailey's mother, and Shawn Adkins, Billie Dunn's boyfriend. 

In 2012, both were visible and there appeared no tension from Shawn Adkins. 
In 2013, Shawn Adkins has not made any appearances, and has not be seen in the area.

But there is also this to consider, especially given the timing:  

The following are two Facebook public posts which went through various editing and reposting.  

This was issued after remains were found in Scurry County.  Why would this be?

Does this suggest conclusion?  Has the search come to an end where "thanks" are now due to those who did, in deed, put in many hours in an attempt to locate Hailey Dunn's remains?  Note that in the latter edition, "hope" is added, which has been pointed out, is similar to the handling of the Caylee Anthony "missing" child case by Cindy Anthony, seeking to taint future jurors into believing that murder charges were inappropriate because "Caylee was still alive" (in Brooklyn, NY).  This transparent attempt at manipulation was not lost on Florida media, who did not seek to soften questioning of George and Cindy Anthony, but who's commentary including truthful and accurate accounts of the deception perpetrated by the Anthonys.  

Not so in Texas where some stations even refused to call both mother and boyfriend "Persons of Interest" and kept questions to "how are you coping?" rather than "Why did you fail the polygraph?  Why did you lie to police?  Why did you..." type of questions that investigative journalism calls for. 

Question:  Does this sound like the search is over?




Does This Sound Like The Search is Over?
  
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We want to thank all of you that have lost your precious children and have become the heroes to us, the parents of the missing. Our dearest friend, personal hero and angel Carrie McGonigle and Team Amber Rescue, Marc Klaas, Robert and Dawn with Laura Recovery Center for missing children. John Walsh (Official) & Glenden Grant. You have each personally reached out to us selflessly to find our daughter and there are no words for your Commitment and support for Hailey that we could ever say to thank you. You are each Angels of Advocacy for all of the missing. God Bless you and thank you for loving Hailey!
BD & CD

Note that later, it was edited again to remove Marc Klaas' name from it. Marc Klass publicly condemned Billie Dunn on The Nancy Grace Show for lying to police.  Note in the 2nd edition, media is thanked.  We have noted that local media often avoided asking direct or relevant questions of the mother.  


Note that in the first, the searchers are thanked for "loving" Hailey, and in the second, "news families" are also said to have been "loving" Hailey.  

Is this something that media deserved?
Is it something that media should be doing?

Imagine the criticism when arrests are effected and the subtle and emerging realization settles in among some who will be honest enough to admit, "I was taken in by a sociopathic killer."

Less imagination is needed to predict denial among others. 

We want to thank all of you that have lost your precious children and have become the Heroes to us, the parents of the missing. Our dearest friend, personal hero and angel Carrie McGonigle and Team Amber Rescue, Marc Klaas, Robert and Dawn with Laura Recovery Center for missing children. John Walsh (Official) & Glenden Grant. You have each personally reached out to us selflessly to find our daughter and there are no words for your Commitment and support for Hailey that we could ever say to thank you. You are each Angels of Advocacy for all of the missing. Thank you to Hailey's news families as well. You have always been so good to Hailey NewsWest 9, CBS7 News / KOSA-TV, KTAB, KTXS Television, KMID Big 2 and KRBC TV God Bless you and thank you for each of your continued support and loving Hailey!
BD & CD
NEVER GIVE UP HOPE FOR HAILEY
!


What do you think of the timing of this Facebook announcement?

67 comments:

Bonnie Blue said...

Sounds like someone thinks the search for Hailey is over.

Peter Hyatt said...

Bonnie, it sure does.

VLW said...

Fascinating... Perhaps an announcement is about to be made public?

Focus on Hailey said...

Peter, when this first came out, there was strong criticism from locals that the local searchers were not included. It does sound as if BD knows that the remains are of Hailey.

Child Advocate said...


I'm wondering if Clint Dunn participated in writing this "thank you". I see his initials, but it appears to me BJD is the one writing. Were CD's initials added for unity between the two, or to make it seem they were united in thanking everyone?

I think it sounds like BJD knows the remains are Hailey's. Why the premature thank you if she doesn't know?

Peter, will you recommend a book for a beginner who is fascinated with SA? I'm a regular reader, who wants to know more. Thank you, Peter, for teaching me that words betray lies. I'm a thankful student!

MeagIn Manhattan said...

I think it is all a well thought out ploy of BJD to keep up appearances as "Best Mom on Earth!"

Meag

Trigger said...

Considering that Billie did not search for Hailey, disparaged the local searchers, and lied, this sounds like she is trying to save face and reinvent herself as grateful and sincere, while she waits for a news release about the identification of the remains.

Shelley said...

Wow.

She seems to be doing what I would think would be closure.

If i was waiting on news if my missing childs body was found, I would not be on facebook much less thanking anyone.

I would be upset until my child was found.

And while I think Shawn may not have told her exactly where Hailey is, I do think she has a general idea. And considering the cell phone pings were very close to this spot, I think its likly her.

The other missing cases were from areas much further away.

I just hope who ever killed this person pays for what they did and the family is able to find some closure. And by family, if this is Hailey I mean Clint, Haileys granparents and NOT Billie. I fully believe she was involved. I still think the death itself was an accident... but that is happened during another crime (possibly rape) and so a coverup was necessary as they could not call 911 in this case.

Child Advocate said...


The picture above of Hailey, BJD and SA bothers me. BJD and SA are seated close, heads together, touching and smiling. Looking at Hailey, seated close to BJD, otherwise no touching, no smile. Hailey doesn't look happy to be in the picture. It makes me feel sorry for her. Am I reading too much into this picture?

Lemon said...

Child Advocate,
Many here have read Mark McClish' book "I Know You Are Lying" (Detecting Deception Through Statement Analysis) and enjoyed it. I recommend it.


http://www.amazon.com/I-Know-You-Are-Lying/dp/0967999820

Lemon said...

Of note is what the thank you 'letter' did not contain: Keep searching for Hailey or keep looking for our daughter.

Only the tepid "never give up hope…"
Indeed.

Anita said...

I agree with Meagin Manhattan - I read it and I think *barf*.

Anonymous said...

Lemon, let the man get his testimony from someone who admires him. Especially considering how he has been aggresed on this site. If he wants to share he can, but this is pointhunter' thing, not ours. With all due respect, Local anon

Anonymous said...

Lemon, let the man get his testimony from someone who admires him. Especially considering how he has been aggresed on this site. If he wants to share he can, but this is pointhunter' thing, not ours. With all due respect, Local anon

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the double post, learning a new phone. Local anon

Anonymous said...

Sorry for the double post, learning a new phone. Local anon

lol said...

Local anon fail

lol said...

Local anon fail

Anonymous said...

The Photo of Billie ,Shawn and Hailey .People only see what is in front of them.Shawns arm is behind Billie that's why she is sitting forward and Billie said Hailey was mad in the pic cause she didn't get to go over her grandmother house first.It isn't over till it's over and we'll all just have to wait and see. Billie has the best poker face i've ever seen.
Shawn has a smerk on his face like he pulled one over on someone

Lemon said...

with all due respect…

I don't even know where to begin.

Child Advocate said...

Anonymous 10:10

You know more about the picture than the rest of us. I was going to say, it seems to me, BJD can't sit back because it looks like SA arm is behind her Even if Hailey was mad, why isn't BJD paying attention to her daughter? Perhaps a glance Hailey's way? A hand on her hand? Arm? Knee? Why is Hailey in the picture if she was mad? I wasn't there. Were you?

Pointhunter,

Thank you for coming back.

Everyone who responded about the book,

Thank you! I am ordering it tonight.

Mouthajar said...

Billie doesn't have the grace to have written that

Child Advocate said...

Someone took the photo. Other people could be there, not in the picture.

Shoppergalone said...

It kind of looks like Hailey is pregnant to me, the way she has her jacket zipped just up past where would show. I still wonder about this.

Point hunter, thank you so much for what you have done. God bless you!

Lis said...

I find it really wierd that this would be posted publicly, and then edited and changed.

Anonymous said...

Are the two of them in CC or does anyone know .. Praying for results on the DNA soon ..

Lis said...

(I mean, in addition to everything else).

Great post, Hobs, I agree.

BostonLady said...


Blogger Lemon said...

with all due respect…

I don't even know where to begin.

April 11, 2013 at 10:33 PM

****************

I understood what you posted to Peter. It's all good :)

Lemon said...
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Lemon said...

Thanks Boston :)

Charred Bones said...
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Anonymous said...
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~ABC said...

Anon @ 1:20 am

Why are you trying to antagonize Lemon?

Lemon asked Peter a question for clarification which you apparently couldn't comprehend.

Whoever you are, chill or be chilled.

Anonymous said...

Uggg...! What kind of sicko would name themselves Charred Bones?

We are all here discussing, waiting for news, and worrying over a poor missing and murdered sweet girl who has been searched for now for more than two years, while someone thinks Charred Bones would be an appropriate name for themself?! This is not some horror flick, you dummy.

TWICE, Mr. Pointhunter has answered the question concerning fires in the area where these remains have been found, and TWICE he has stated that there were fires in the area SIX years ago; yet you have the nerve to come back and say, "so are you telling us that the bones were charred?" Can't you read; the man said SIX YEARS AGO. Hailey has been missing TWO YEARS + (almost) FOUR MONTHS. Can't you grasp this?

What's wrong with you? Anon 1.

Lemon said...

Do not feed the trolls.

Lemon said...

Feed me I'm plump.

Anonymous said...

We get a lot of that here, Pointhunter. One learns fast to stick with anon as best they can. Even then it gets ugly.

It was obvious to me at first glance that this wasn't you.

Hope you're off to a good day!

Anon 1

Dee said...

Pointhunter don't worry about it. We'd have known it wasn't you anyway. Your responses are thoughtful and respectful. Trolls come out and cause trouble occasionally, especially on the subject of Hailey.

Apple said...

Oye

Seagull said...

I hope there is some closure in this case soon. The Facebook Posting is the first time that I have seen BJD referring to Hailey by her name,"Hailey" as opposed to, her, she and my daughter etc.I don't believe that BJD thought of the wording.

This case is a testimony to the science of Statement Analysis.

Lemon, Boston Lady, Apple and Hob Nob (in order of todays comments :) I always enjoy reading your postings)

Does anyone know how widely used Statement Analysis is used within the UK and the UK Police Force?

Anonymous said...

Child Advocate the photo is all over the internet and u can see the Nancy Grace video on youtube where Billie talks about the photo.Was i there, no i wasn't,I'm just a couch PI like everone else

Anonymous said...

here is one for Seagull http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ_clm7Uek4 I'm not sticking up for Billie I just want to show people what kind of news is out there.In this video she only refers to hailey by her name about 6 times

Charred Bones said...

right, the fires were 6 years ago, so if the bones are charred, that would give us a time frame. unless he is now going to tell us the remains were buried.

GetThem said...

I didn't read all the comments, so this may be a re-run comment, but it sounds like Billie wrote this herself but tried to make it sound like it was from Hailey's "family." She didn't sign it. This makes me think things aren't so good with Shawn. There is no mention of him. I wonder if police can get her at a weak moment and get her to try to put it all on Shawn.

Seagull said...

Anonymous

Thanks for the headsup. I'll take a look at it and I appreciate the manner in which you mean it. It's important to remove any personal bias so we can see the situation for what it really is, especially in context. My over riding observation is there seems to be a lack of closeness when BJD talks about Hailey. I'll take a look at youtube now.
Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

I think this was a confirmation. For some weird reason, I often think about, Paul Bernardo and Karla Homolka with Karla's sister. I believe that it was an accidental death, maybe by overdosing her, so she would be raped and not remember what happened.

Anonymous said...

I need to edit this....
I believe that it was an accidental death, maybe by overdosing her, ....... I do not think it was accidental so-much as NOT PLANNED..sorry

Lemon said...

Seagull
Thank you for your kind words. :)

No Name said...

Ok let me see if i have the rules right.
You have to use a name.
You can talk about raping a child and even talk about butchering that child, but you can't talk about charred bones?

Anonymous said...

BJD: "Everybody got what they wanted for Christmas..." All but Hailey. Anon 1

Anonymous said...

Wild fires burnt up alot of that area two years ago, so much for the 6yrs ago timeframe!

Seagull said...

Lemon,

It's a pleasure. The shortest answer is the best..

I'm a novice but picking up speed.

Ladyluck WI said...

It does seem like BD is trying to look unified with CD. I also don't get sigining it with the initials..at all.. so impersonal or distancing.

if this is hailey, who is going to talk first? will BD leave it up to SA's crazy imagination to tell his side? or are these two the tight lipped kind? i would think they would be.. but BD's MHMD comment has been on my mind. was she being sarcastic? serious? a little bit of both? we all know something's off a little. just makes me wonder if we really conversed with them day in and day out what we would perceive about their mental status

Anonymous said...

There were wildfires all over west Tx 2 years ago, and yes out at this lake as well, so I dont see how a six year timeframe fits here. Also, the remains could have been moved to the lake, after SA or BD new the area Hailey was at had been on fire and she would be found.

yep said...

Texas is a big state. Yes there were fires in Scurry county in 2011. If you don't believe me, google wildfires scurry county or wildfires lake jb thomas. You will find there were fires but what it doesn't say is Rotan is on the opposite side of the Lake from where the remains were found. You have to know where points of interest are before assuming the remains area had a fire. Google maps shows Lake JB Thomas to Rotan being 61 miles.
http://lubbockonline.com/local-news/2011-03-18/scurry-county-fire-burns-300-acres This fire was 8 miles west of Snyder.
http://www.reporternews.com/news/2008/feb/23/fire-forces-evacuation-in-snyder/ This was another fire near the town of Snyder.

Sus said...

I have mostly sat back on this one, but I will point out a couple of things.

...If I were LE, I'd take my sweet time releasing the identity of that body.

...I'd run every test possible on every item found near the body for DNA of others. Touch DNA takes awhile to get.

...While the tests are being conducted, I'd follow the suspected central perps and requestion peripheral players.

...I'd release just enough info through interviews (and blogs I know the perps check) to make them sweat.

Any member of SA's family who knows something about Hailey's death, or SA himself, should RUN to LE and talk. Here's there chance.

This is my opinion.

Ladyluck WI said...

I'm not so sure anyone truly knows any details besides SA, BD, and their son. and I feel bad for their son (hailey's brother). when youre an adolescent and you grew up with a mother like BD your sense of morality is skewed. maybe when he's older he will have a lot of regret about not being forthcoming if he does know anything. might haunt him the rest of his life if not.

Lulu said...

I posted this on another thread, and am anxious to hear everyone's thoughts:

I'm guessing the item that pointhunter found was a bra. Distinctly female. The material most are made of are usually synthetic and wouldn't deteriorate as rapidly as a cotton shirt and sweatpants.
April 12, 2013 at 1:03 AM

Ladyluck WI said...

Great point Lulu it's very possible

Ivanna-Anna said...

Has the photo been photoshopped or can't I just see it properly? It looks like there are two right hands with a red sleeve

Local anon said...

It sure does look like two right Hans with a red sleeve. I hadn't noticed that.

Randie said...

I have been reading and posting on Peter's site for years now.

It makes me sick, that from time to time debased, perverted, cussing individuals have to post their filth!

Peter, is there a way some of this filt can be deleated?

I'm here for statement analysis not "sexual filth".....

Randie said...

I went back and blew up the picture. It looks to me that Shawn has his arm around Billie and it comes out underneath her armpit over her lap.

Billie has her arm along side her legs.

~ABC said...

I think all the gnarly comments may be coming from BJD groupies or maybe even the Queen of Misfit Mommies herself! :-)

Anonymous said...

I think it would probably be a pair of underwear. Those would definantly have DNA on them, not sure how the elements would affect what would still be on them after so long though.

Hobnob said...

Lemon said...
with all due respect…

I don't even know where to begin.


"Once upon a time..." is always a good start or the cringeworthy but compelling "It was a dark and stormy night..."

That'll be one krispy kreme choccy donut ta :)

Peter Hyatt said...

Randie said...
I have been reading and posting on Peter's site for years now.

It makes me sick, that from time to time debased, perverted, cussing individuals have to post their filth!

Peter, is there a way some of this filt can be deleated?

I'm here for statement analysis not "sexual filth".....
April 12, 2013 at 2:18 PM


Randie is a respected commentator here and has been for years.
Billie Dunn's supporters are just like her and use the same foul sexual/violence language.

You should expect an increase in the nonsense shortly.

We do our best and for each comment that gets through, there are 5 in the Spam folder.

We're getting there.

I apologize,

Peter